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John Cramp
(Bef 1742-Bef 1828)
Ann Duke
(1747-1830)
Jury Cramp
(1778-1849)
Mary Anne Edmonds
(1802-After 1851)
Alfred Ernest Cramp
(1838-1904)

 

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Elizabeth Louisa Payne

Alfred Ernest Cramp 4

  • Born: 1838, Mulgowrie, Georgiana County, New South Wales 5
  • Christened: 21 Apr 1838, Mulgowrie, Georgiana County, New South Wales 2 6
  • Marriage: Elizabeth Louisa Payne on 28 Apr 1862 in Forbes, Ashburnham County, New South Wales 1 2 3
  • Died: 28 Aug 1904, Cowra, Bathurst County, New South Wales, Australia at age 66 2 7
  • Buried: Cowra Cemetery, Bathurst County, New South Wales, Australia 8

bullet   Cause of his death was appendicitis.

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bullet  General Notes:

--- from Rhonda Brownlow ----

Not a lot is known about Alfred's early childhood but he was known to get into a few scrapes in his early years before he settled down. He married Elizabeth 'Louisa' Payne at Forbes, NSW on April 28, 1862. Louisa was the daughter of Charles Payne and Ann Elizabeth Fitzgerald.

Alfred was at the gold fields with his brother George, seeking their fortunes and this maybe where Alfred met Louisa as she was known to be there with her father Charles.

Alfred was at several gold diggings, Tuena 1854, Lambing Flats (now Young), North Lead and Forbes. From these pursuits it is assumed he was successful enough to allow himself to settle down and pursue farming at Binda and to raise his young family.

This was not to prove as uneventful as we are led to believe. The Goulburn Herald was to report Ben Hall Gang called on Alfred Cramp after the shooting of Constable Nelson at Collector.

Alfred moved to Cowra were he became the publican of 'The Great Western ' and 'Royal' Hotels, and apart from remembering to register the brand for his sheep, remained trouble free.

Often figured in wrangles over hotel licences & clean premises. Lost a finger in a shooting accident. Was a champion middleweight boxer & people tried to get him to fight overseas , but declined.

He died at Cowra on September 1, 1904, following an attack of appendicitis. Louisa remained in Cowra with her family till her death on April 25, 1923. Bother were buried in the Church of England section of the Cowra cemetery, beside Louisa's father, Charles Payne.
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bullet  Medical Notes:

A resident of many years Mr Alfred Cramp died at his residence on Saturday night, after a brief illness, the result of an attack of appendicitis. About 4 years ago the first symptoms of failing health manifested & some months later he moved to Sydney for surgery.
About 3 years ago, returned to Cowra, up to one or two weeks ago he enjoyed good health until the fatal seizure. Our late townsman was born at Mulgowrie on April 21, 1838. In early days chiefly followed mining pursuits & in the course of his peregrinations in quest of the precious metal, he visited Lambing Flat (Young) & Forbes goldfields. At the latter 1862 he married Miss Louisa Payne of Goulburn , who survives him and eventually settled down in the Goulburn District, where he was a successful grazier for a number of years. He commenced his career as a Hotel Keeper in Cowra at the ''Great Western''1888 & upon that hostelry becoming too small for his large business connections he moved to ''The Royal Hotel'' where he conducted a large & lucrative business until the precarious states of health forced his retirement into private life. He leaves a widow & grown family of 6 sons & 3 daughters to mourn the loss of a most affectionate husband and parent.
Buried Church of England Cemetery ,Cowra, on Sunday. 8 9

bullet  Birth Notes:

"Bombar"

bullet  Christening Notes:

"Bombar"

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bullet  Noted events in his life were:

• Robbed: Dinner, Feb 1865. 8 10 On Sunday last an affray occurred between the Police and the bushrangers, which has not been made public, though the news reached reporters last week. It seems that Hall, Gilbert and Dunn called at Alfred Cramp's farm, on the Crookwell, near Binda in this district, and ordered dinner. While the party of Police headed by an Inspector, whose name has not transpired, and Detective Jaggers, and numbering five in all, including one or two volunteers. They were perceived by the bushrangers or by someone on the lookout, and the Police perceiving that this was the case, dismounted, as there were some fences between them and the house. They then rushed up on foot, but too late to prevent the bushrangers mounting horses. Several shots were exchanged but the bushrangers escaped.

(One of the volunteers was later reported to be William Eldridge of Binda)

• Robbed: Dinner, 1 Feb 1865. 11 Mr Kimberley has sent word to town that the money supposed to have been taken from his lad by the bushrangers on Thursday last was found on the following morning. A great many reports have been flying about since Saturday with respect to the whereabouts of the bushrangers ; but none of them are very reliable, and several have been found to be erroneous. In one case three policemen in disguise, and in another three travellers were mistaken for Hall and his gang. One of the parties of police who are in search of the bushrangers is accompanied by a young gentleman as a volunteer. We have information that on Sunday week last an affray occurred between the police and the bushrangers, and which hitherto has not been made public though the news reached reporters last week. It seems that Hall, Gilbert and Dunn called at Alfred Cramp's farm, on the Crookwell, near Binda, in this district , and ordered dinner. While there a party of police headed by sub-inspector, whose name has not transpired, and Detective Jaggers, and numbering in all five, including one or two volunteers, approached the house. They were perceived by the bushrangers or by some one on the look out, and the police perceiving that this was the case dismounted, as there were some fences between them and the house. They then rushed up on foot ; but too late to prevent the bushrangers mounting their horses. Several shots were exchanged and the bushrangers escaped. With reference to an opinion lately expressed - that news which appears in the papers must be furnished by the persons whose names are mentioned - it may be stated that this does not by any means necessarily follow ; and on the contrary it generally happens that the persons whose names appear in print have not in any way communicated with the reporters. It is not likely that the opinion referred to is generally held ; and it is surprising that it should be entertained in any quarter ; but as it has been recently expressed the present opportunity is taken of showing that it is erroneous

• Imprisoned: for assult, 1867, Goulburn, Argyle County, New South Wales. 8 12 13 Goulburn Herald, July 10 1867

Before the Police Magistrate at Goulburn on Monday the 8th was Alfred Cramp, charged with assaulting Mrs O'Brien, wife of John O'Brien, at O'Brien's Public House at Binda. The assault was of somewhat aggravated nature. Cramp was sent to Goulburn Goal for two months.

Goulburn Goal Entry

Goal Standing Number 4216, Alfred Cramp, born 1838, height 5'8'', fresh complexion, dark brown hair, hazel eyes, prominate chin, long nose, mouth medium, mole under right shoulder blade. Could read and write.

• He worked as a farmer at "Avondale" in 1872 in Binda, Georgiana County, New South Wales. 14

• He was involved in a court case about Police V Alfred Cramp on 30 Sep 1884 in Goulburn, Argyle County, New South Wales. 8 15 ...for using unrecorded brand for sheep. Defendant stated that some three years ago he made an application to the inspector for the use of such brand, and had remitted the fees; since which time he had heard no more about it, and thought the brand was registered. The case was adjourned to the next court (20 October, 1884) to admit of defendant producing evidence.

• He was involved in a court case in Oct 1884 in Goulburn, Argyle County, New South Wales. 8 16 Alfred Cramp was sued by the police for using an unregistered sheep brand. This case had been postponed from last court upon the representation of Cramp, that he made an application and remitted fee to the sheep inspector at Carcoar, and he now produced a certificate under the brand of J.W West, sheep inspector, Carcoar, showing that the brand had been allotted. Case dismissed.

• He was involved in a court case about Police Court in Oct 1895 in Cowra, Bathurst County, New South Wales. 8 17 Remanded accordingly, Alfred Cramp, licensee of the Royal Hotel appeared upon summons, charged with allowing billiards to be played on his premises an hour after the hour of 11 P.M. on the 17th instant.
Defendant pleaded guilty;
Constable Tranter deposed that he observed the billiard room attached to the defendants hotel, open at 12 midnight on Tuesday, 17th instant ; he questioned the person in charge, but did not caution the defendant personally, there were people playing in the room at the time.
Sergeant Harvey deposed that this was the first offence the licensee had been charged with.
Defendant said he was in bed at the time.
His Worship said that he had no option but to inflict a fine of 2 pounds, that being the minimum penalty under the licensing act.
Fined 2 pounds, and 4 shillings costs, in default levy and distress.

• He had an estate probated after 28 Aug 1904 in New South Wales, Australia. 18


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Alfred married Elizabeth Louisa Payne, daughter of Charles Payne and Flora Ann Fitzgerald, on 28 Apr 1862 in Forbes, Ashburnham County, New South Wales.1 2 3 (Elizabeth Louisa Payne was born on 5 Aug 1843 in Petersham Parish, New South Wales,3 8 19 20 died on 24 May 1923 in Cowra, Bathurst County, New South Wales, Australia 3 21 22 and was buried on 25 May 1923 in Cowra Cemetery, Bathurst County, New South Wales, Australia 8.) The cause of her death was Lenghty Illness.


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Sources


1 NSW Registry of Births, Deaths and Marriages (http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/), 2341/1862.

2 Other Researchers, alan doughty.

3 Helen V Lloyd, Reid's Flat, On the Banks of the Lachlan (Published in 1999
Printed by Southwood Press Pty Ltd
ISBN 0646279356), 142.

4 Marion B Harper (CD Rom Created in April 2002
http://www.londonresearch.org.uk/cramp/ind_pag.html).

5 NSW Registry of Births, Deaths and Marriages (http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/), V18381259 23A/1838.

6 Australian Vital Records.

7 NSW State Government Records, Probate 32172. 32172, Cramp, Alfred, Cowra, 28.8.04 Probate. Surety:2

8 Other Researchers, Rhonda Brownlow.

9 Cowra Free Press, Thursday September 1, 1904.

10 Goulburn Herald (Obituraies, Deaths Inquests Pre 1901 Crookwell District, Goulburn Printers, Goulburn,), February 1865. Crookwell & District Historic Society. Surety:2

11 Goulburn Herald (Obituraies, Deaths Inquests Pre 1901 Crookwell District, Goulburn Printers, Goulburn,), February 1, 1865.

12 Goulburn Herald (Obituraies, Deaths Inquests Pre 1901 Crookwell District, Goulburn Printers, Goulburn,), July 10 1867.

13 Goulburn Goal, Goal Standing Number 4216.

14 Greville's Official Post Office Directory of New South Wales (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hcastle/Transcripts/Kathy_Pearson/Transcripts/Preface.html), Binda.

15 Goulburn Herald (Obituraies, Deaths Inquests Pre 1901 Crookwell District, Goulburn Printers, Goulburn,), September 30, 1884.

16 Goulburn Herald (Obituraies, Deaths Inquests Pre 1901 Crookwell District, Goulburn Printers, Goulburn,), Thursday, October 30, 1884.

17 Cowra Free Press, Saturday, October 26, 1895.

18 NSW State Government Records, 32172 Probate.

19 Crookwell and District Historical Society, Obituaries, Deaths, Inquests Pre 1901 Crookwell and District (ISBN 0-9587114-3-7), Page 267 - Goulburn Herald, Sat 21.4.1849.

20 NSW Registry of Births, Deaths and Marriages (http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/), V18432618 27A/1843. V18432618 27A/1843
PAYNE, ELIZABETH
CHARLES & ANN.

21 Other Researchers, Shirley Clark. http://www.gencircles.com/users/clarks/6/.

22 NSW Registry of Births, Deaths and Marriages (http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/), 8304/1923. 8304/1923
CRAMP, ELIZABETH L
CHARLES & ANN @ COWRA.


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