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Family of
Johannes Hahn and his second wife Anna Katharina
Wahl
my husbands paternal gg grandparents
Burghaun
is today a small town with about 3800 residents (including surrounding
villages-Grossgemeinde Burghaun: 7000). It is situated a little north of
Huenfeld, which again is a little north of Fulda in Hessen, Germany.
picture of Karl Hahn father of Ernest John Hahn
picture of Ernest John Hahn
and Ethel Blinderman's wedding day
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ICH: All dates, godparents names and town
names in Germany were copied from church books at Langenschwarz, Germany near
Schlotzau, Hessen, Germany in 1987 by my husband Ernest Hahn,Jr. and his 1C1R
Martin FINK, both great grandsons of Nikolaus 1.1. We have no other information
on any other HAHN family that came to America. Karl HAHN 1.1.4 was only
surviving son in this family to marry and come to America. An old family letter
written by Karl HAHN dated 10 Dec 1900 "I left for America on 13 Nov 1900
and arrived at port 22 Nov 1900". Karl stayed with his aunt Anna Barbara
HAHN ALTSTADT in Minneapolis, MN until his marriage.
1. Johannes HAHN born 1813 Schlotzau, Hessen, Germany,
son of Johannes HAHN and Anna Barbara WEBER, married 8 Dec 1841 by Civil Officer and
in Church 25 Jan 1842 at Burghaun, Hessen, Germany as his first wife Elisabeth
BECKER born 1820
Langenschwarz, Germany died 28 Jan 1843 Schlotzau, Hessen, Germany (no
children). After Elisabeth's death, Johannes married as his second wife 7 Nov
1843 by Civil Officer and in Church 3 Dec 1843 at Burghaun, Hessen, Germany to Anna
Katharina WAHL born
1821 from Queck, Germany, daughter of Heinrich WAHL and Katharine KRAFT of
Queck, Germany
Children
of Johannes and Anna:
1.1 Nikolaus HAHN born 11 Dec 1848 Schlotzau, Kreis Fulda,
Hessen, Germany died 30 Mar 1900 Burghaun, Kreis Fulda, Hessen, Germany married
29 Jan 1874 by Civil Officer and in Church 17 Feb 1874 to Katharina Helena
KOCH born 19 Feb 1852
Herbertshofe, Kreis Fulda, Hessen, Germany died 12 Mar 1929 Burghaun, Kreis
Fulda, Hessen, Germany buried 15 Mar 1929 Burghaun, Kreis Fulda, Hessen,
Germany.
Children
of Nikolous and Katharina:
1.1.1 Anna Dorothea Hahn born 2 Aug 1874 Schlotzau, Kreis Fulda,
Hessen, Germany died 27 June 1913 buried 30 June 1913 Burghaun, Hessen,
Germany.
Her Godmother was Dorothea HAHN, sister of the father of the
child.
1.1.2
Anna Mararethe Hahn born 9
Aug 1876 Schlotzau, Kreis Fulda, Hessen, Germany died 4 May 1957 Burghaun, Hessen,
Germany at the Vockenmuhle buried 7 May 1957 Burghaun. Married 19 Feb 1901 at
Burghaun, Hessen, Germany to Jahann
George "John George" FINK born 21 Sept 1873, Schwarz, Krs Alsfeld, Hessen, Germany died
5 July 1930 Fulda, Hessen, Germany buried at Burghaun, Hessen, Germany
Anna Mararethe's Godmother was Anna Margarethe KOCH, wife of
Johann KOCH. They had: Dorothea, Emma, Heinrich, Aenni, Elisabeth and Ernst
1.1.3
Johannes Hahn born 4 June
1879 Schlotzau, Kreis Fulda, Hessen, Germany died 11 July 1894 Burghaun,
Hessen, Germany at the Vockenmuhle (mill accident) buried 13 July 1894
Burghaun.
His godfather was Johannes KRAFT son of Adam KRAFT from
Schlotzau
1.1.4
Karl Hahn born 7 May 1883
Schlotzau, Kreis Fulda, Hessen, Germany bpt 20 May 1883 Schlotzau, Kreis Fulda,
Hessen, Germany died 2 Feb 1924 Minneapolis, Hennepin, MN buried 5 Feb 1924
Crystal Lake Cemetery Minneapolis Lot 16 Sec 10 Grave 4. Married 26 Nov 1908 at
the German Evangelical Synod in Minneapolis, Hennepin, MN to Minnie Charlotte SCHULTZ born 21 Nov 1888 Minneapolis, Hennepin, MN
died 17 Feb 1945 Minneapolis, Hennepin, MN buried 25 Feb 1945 Crystal Lake
Cemetery, Minneapolis Lot 16 Sect 10 grave 6 daugther of Edward Ernest and
Elizabeth (Schmidt) Schultz
Karl's Godfathers were Karl WAHL and Konrad WAHL of Queck, Germany.
Minnie married second Fred CARLSON (no info).
Karl Hahn in a letter to his mother dated 10 Dec 1900: Dear Mother! Our
ship leaves the habour of Germany on 13 Nov 1900 at 3:00 P.M. Were all fine but
after 3 days I get seasick. My aunt was the only one who went to lunch. At
night we had a big storm. A propeller gets broken, so takes our voyage 10 days
instead of 7. I had a nice neighbor in my cabin and he shares with me 3 bottles
of wine. At the 8th day comes a Amercian Port Pilot who takes the ship through
low places but we run aground and have to wait 9 hours until some divers were
coming and helped us. After these problems we reach New York port on 22 Nov
1900. The next day he arrived in Minneapolis with his aunt. (I don't think they
reach Minneapolis in a day. ICH) We got our suitcases with us and nothing went
broken. My clothes were very dirlty so Berta, Georgs wife, washed, cleaned and
ironed my clothes before I can wear them . Georg has not much work and so he
introuduce me his 3 brothers. He also introduce me with Herr Stein (Mr. Stone), he has a daugther, she is
16 years old and she weight 250. I haven't found work yet perhaps later. In the
wintertime it is very difficult to find a job. What about my papers mother? If
I don't get them I can't come back to Germany. Here is it very nice. I hope
you're all well. I'm fine too. Best regards, your son Karl Hahn - Best wishes
to Johannes and August.
When Karl Hahn lived in Minneapolis before his marriage he lived with his aunt
Anna Barbara Hahn Altstadt. Karl had his painting business listed at 410-16th
Ave No. Minneapolis, which was the home of the Altstadts. Sometime in the winter of
1916 not long after Anna Barbara died Karl appears to have lost contact with
his Altstadt cousin. I've a copy of a letter from cousin George
Altstadt
to the Fink family in Germany which stated they do not know what became
of Karl but would try to find him. After this letter was written they found
Karl living with his wife's family.
Karl Hahn's naturatization papers can be found on Ramsey county
Naturatization reel 30 Code 81 vol 56 Page 118
Children
of Karl and Minnie:
1.1.4.1
Ernest John Hahn born 12
March 1910 Minneapolis, Hennepin, MN died 31 Oct 1991 Modesto, Stanislaus, CA
buried Forest Lawn cemetery, St. Paul, Ramsey, MN in Hahn family plot married
30 May 1941 Faribault, Rice, MN Ethel Blinderman
Child of
Ernest and Ethel:
1.1.4.1.1
son Hahn living, has two
sons
1.1.4.2
Dorothy Hahn born 17 March
1913 Minneapolis, Hennepin, MN died 24 Oct 2001 Loretto, MN buried Schultz/Hahn
family plot at Crystal Lake cemetery, Minneapolis, Hennepin, MN Lot 16 Sec 10
married 28 Nov 1935 to Iver Olsen born
25 Jan 1905 Duluth, MN died 4 Nov 1979 Minneapolis, Hennepin, MN buried Crystal
Lake cemetery, Minneapolis, Hennepin, MN.
Child of
Dorothy and Iver:
1.1.4.2.1
son Olsen living, he had
five sons two daughters (note spelling of surname, his mother Dorothy spelled
it Olson)
1.1.5
Adam Hahn born 5 Aug 1886 Schlotzau,
Kreis Fulda, Hessen, Germany bpt 29 Aug 1886 Schlotzau, Kreis Fulda, Hessen,
Germany died 19 Nov 1914 in World War I in France
Adam Hahn's Godfather was Adam LINDERMANN farmer from Rothenkirchen
1.1.6
Anna Elizabeth Hahn born 9
Nov 1888 Schlotzau, Kreis Fulda, Hessen, Germany bpt 25 Nov 1888 Schlotzau,
Kreis Fulda, Hessen, Germany died Jan 1954 Bad-Hersfeld, Hessen, Germany
married 16 May 1909 at Burghaun, Kreis Fulda, Hessen, Germany to Justus
KNOTH.
Her Godmother was Anna Elisabeth KOCH of Herbertshofe.
Children
of Anna and Justus:
1.1.6.1
Gretel Knoth Hensch had
three children
1.1.6.2
Elsie Knoth Land
1.2
Anna Barbara Hahn born 3
Aug 1844 Schlotzau, Kreis Fulda, Hessen, Germany bpt 11 Aug 1844 Schlotzau,
Kreis Fulda, Hessen, Germany died 2 Feb 1916 Minneapolis, Hennepin, MN buried 4
Feb 1916 Lakewood Cemetery, Minneapolis Lot 39 Sec 7 grave 7 area 297, married Johann
ALTSTADT born 23 Apr 1847
Germany died 23 Nov 1892 Minneapolis, Hennepin, MN buried Lakewood Cemetery
Minneapolis Lot 39 Sec 7 grave 8 area 297.
Anna Barbara's Godmother was Anna Barbara HAHN her grandmother.
Johann Altstadt, husband of Anna Barbara Hahn started manufacturing
lemon beer in 1875 at their home in Minneapolis, Hennepin, MN. He also
manufactured soda water between 1876-1881. His major competitor was Rudolph
Nauer and by 1884 Nauer's superior salesmanship and advertising had driven Altstadt
out
of business.
Ernst Fink in 1987 in letter to me: says Aunt Anna Barbara Hahn Altstadt
was the
oldest sister of Nikolaus Hahn, who in turn is the father of Karl Hahn, who already by about 1885
had left for America and who married an Altstadt over there. She had
emigrated from her village about a year earlier. This Aunt Anna Barbara came
back here (Germany) for a visit in the summer of 1900 and took Karl Hahn with her on her return to
Minneapolis where she lived. That period was a time when many people left
(emigrated from) Germany for America in search of work, luck and eventaully
wealth. That this was infact more illusion than reality.
1870 Federal census 1st ward Minnespolis, Hennepin, MN 29
June
Alsted, John age 23 lumberman Germany
Alsted, Anna B. age 23 keeps house Germany
Alsted, John age 1 born MN
1880 Federal census Minnespolis, Hennepin, MN 7 June
Altstad, John age 32 lemon beer mafau born Prussia
Altstad, Anna B. age 32 wife keeping house Prussia
Altstad, John H. age 12 son at school born MN
Altstad, Henry J. age 9 son at school born MN
Altstad, Christin W. age 6 dau at school born MN
Altstad, Fred age 3 son born MN
Altstad, Otto O. age 6/12 son born MN
Morrist, Eva E. age 18 servent born Baden
1895 MN State census Minneapolis, Hennepin, MN 14 June
Altstedt, Annie B. age 50 born Germany
Altstedt, John H. age 26 born MN laborer
Altstedt, H.C. age 25 born MN
Altstedt, Geo age 23 born MN miller
Altstedt, Fred age 17 born MN
1905 MN State census Minneapolis, Hennepin, MN 10 June- 410 -
16 Av.
Altstadt, J.H. age 37 born MN painter
Altstadt, A.B. age 60 born Germany
Altstadt, George age 34 born MN miller
Altstadt, Maria age 26 born MN
Altstadt, Annie age 1 born MN
Winkler, John age 32 born MN teamster
Winkler, Blanche age 26 born MN
Altstadt, H.C. age 36 born MN painter 1603 4th Street
Altstadt, Agnes age 25 born MN
Altstadt, Helen age 6 born MN
1910 Federal census Minneapolis, Hennepin, MN 18 April - 16th
Ave N
Altstedt, George head age 38 married 12 yrs born MN miller in
flour mill
Altstedt, Maria wife age 32 mother of 1 living 1 born MN
Altstedt, Anna B. dau age 5 born MN
Altstedt, Mrs. Anna B. mother age 65 wd mother of 7 living 3 born Germany
Children
of Anna and Johann not in order of birth.
1.2.1
Henry C. Altstadt born 15
April 1870 died 5 Jan 1938 Minneapolis, Hennepin, MN married Agnes La Plant born 2 Feb 1877 Marquette, MI died 17 Aug
1940 Minneapolis General Hospital, Minneapolis, Hennepin, MN daughter of John
B. La Plant buried Lakewood cemetery, Minneapolis, Hennepin, MN. Children not
in order of birth after the census:
1920 Federal census 3rd ward Minneapolis, Hennepin, MN 12 Jan
- 16th Ave No.
Altstadt, Henry head age 50 born MN parents Germany painter
automobile
Altstadt, Agnes wife age 43 born MN parents France
Altstadt, Henrietta dau age 14 born MN
Altstadt, Johnnie son age 5 born MN
1930 Federal Census MN - Minneapolis, Hennepin, MN - on 410
16th Ave N.
Altstadt, Henry C. head age 59 born MN
Altstadt, Agnes M. wife age 52 born MI
Altstadt, John F. son age 15 born MN
Children of Henry and Agnes:
1.2.1.1
Henrietta Marie Altstadt born
17 June 1905 Minneapolis, Hennepin, MN married a Cook
1.2.1.2
John Frederick Altstadt born
11 April 1914 Minneapolis, Hennepin, MN died 22 Jan 1947 Fairview Hospital,
Minneapolis, Hennepin, MN age 32 yrs 9 mos 11 ds. Never married
1.2.1.2
Jack Altstadt
1.2.1.4
Helen Altstadt married a Hanson
1.2.2
George Altstadt born as
shown on death certificate 8 April 1872 Minneapolis, Hennepin, MN died 1 July
1952 Northern Pacific Hospital, St. Paul, Ramsey, MN buried Sunset memorial
Park, St. Anthony Village, MN husband of Marie B.
Melcher
born 23 Oct 1877 MN died 20 Dec 1969 Hennepin county MN
1910 Federal census Minneapolis, Hennepin, MN 18 April - 16th
Ave N
Altstedt, George head age 38 married 12 yrs born MN miller in
flour mill
Altstedt, Marie wife age 32 mother of 1 living 1 born MN
Altstedt, Anna B. dau age 5 born MN
Altstedt, Mrs. Anna B. mother age 65 wd mother of 7 living 3
born Germany
1920 Federal census 9th ward Minneapolis, Hennepin, MN 12 Jan
Altstadt, George C. head age 47 born MN parents born Germany
shipping clerk railroad
Altstadt, Marie wife age 41 born MN parents born Germany
forelady medical co.
Altstadt, Anna B. age 16 born MN
1930 Federal census 9th ward Minneapolis, Hennepin, MN 9
April 1930
Altstadt, George C. head age 58 born MN parents Germany checking
clerk steam railroad
Altstadt, Marie B. wife age 41 born MN parents Holland/Germany
Children of George and Marie:
1.2.2.1 Anna Barbara Altstadt born 12 May 1904 Minneapolis,
Hennepin, MN
1.2.2
Christine O. Altstadt born 7 Feb 1874 died 13 July 1883
Minneapolis, Hennepin, MN
1.2.3
Fredrick "Fred" Altstadt born
6 April 1878 Minneapolis, Hennepin, MN died 11 June 1931 Minneapolis General
Hospital, Minneapolis, Hennepin, MN buried 13 June 1931 Lakewood cemetery Minneapolis,
Hennepin, MN. His wife's name was Edith who may have died before him.
(his
obit listed in Mpls. Journal - sat. June 13, 1931 page 3, 1 line)
1900 Federal census 3rd ward Minneapolis, Hennepin, MN 5/6
June
Altstadt, F. H. head born april 1878 age 22 born MN parents
Germany teamster
Altstadt, Edith wife born Jan 1875 age 25 born MN parents Sweden
housewife
1920 Federal census 9th ward Minneapolis, Hennepin, MN 12 Jan
Altstadt, Fred H. head age 41 born MN parents born Germany
painter contractor
Altstadt, Edith O. wife age 44 born MN parents born Sweden
1.2.4
Otto A. H. Altstadt born
18 Nov 1879 died 2 July 1883 Minneapolis, Hennepin, MN
1.2.5
Ludwig F.N. Altstadt born
2 Aug 1884 died 13 Oct 1886 Minneapolis, Hennepin, MN
1.3
Dorothea Hahn no information
2. Katharina Margarete HAHN born 11 Apr 1816 Schlotzau, Kreis
Fulda, Hessen, Germany died 8 Mar 1870 Herbertshofe, Hessen, Germany married 10
July 1834 Johann Georg
KOCH born 3 May
1811 Herbertshofe, Hessen, Germany died 17 Aug 1876 Herbertshofe, Hessen,
Germany son of Johannes Adam KOCH (1784-1834) and Kunigunde KRAFT (1782-1850)
of Herbertshofe. They had:
Children
of Katharina and Johann:
2.1
Katharina Helena Koch born 19 Feb 1852 Herbertsholfe,Hessen,
Germany died 12 Mar 1929 Burghaun, Kreis Fulda, Hessen, Germany buried 15 Mar
1929 Burghaun, Kreis Fulda, Hessen, Germany. Married to her first cousin Nikolaus
HAHN 1.1
2.2
Johannes Koch born
25 Mar 1845 Herbertshofe, Hessen, Germany died 11 Mar 1920 Herbertshofe,
Hessen, Germany married 26 Oct 1877 Anna Margarethe SHAEFER born 11 Aug 1853 died 23 Jan 1937
Herbertshofe, Hessen, Germany
Area of
Hessen Germany our Hahn family came from... Queck, Schlotzau and Burghaun
Following
is picture of the Vockenmuhle front view in Burghaun in 1987
We were able to locate my
husbands lines in Germany with the help of an old letter dated 1929. This
letter was written in German. This letter had never been translated until late
1970's and again in 1982. The letter was written to Ernest Hahn and his sister
Dorothy, telling them of the death of Karl Hahn's mother Katharina Helena Koch
Hahn on 8 Mar 1929. This letter had an return address from Margaretha Hahn
Fink. I wrote to the civil record office in Hunfeld, area in Germany where the
letter came from at that time. The civil records officer got in touch with
Ernst Fink and from there we had contact with the family. We were very lucky
the family still lived at the Vockenmuhle.
The following I quote from
letters from cousin Ernst Fink
to me starting in 1982 and other old letters I have. All letters from Ernst
where in German, I had them translated to English until his granddaughter took
over letter writing for him in 1984 and came to live with us in California as
an exchange student for one year.
Nikolaus Hahn acquired the Vockenmuhle (name of the
farm) 1 Nov 1893 in Burghaun, district of Hunfield. The Vockenmuhle stood here
as a corn mill since before the year 1500.
On 30 March 1900, Nickolaus
Hahn died and his son-in-law Hans Georg Fink husband of Nickolous dau
Margaretha Hahn took over the Vockenmuhle in 1901 along with many debts. With
much hard work the Vockenmuhle was constantly rebuild.
When Hans George Fink died 5
June 1930 his wife Margaretha Hahn Fink took over the business, the mill,
farming operation and a small saw mill until 1940. Since that time Ernst Fink
son of Margaretta has been owner-proprietior. Ernst says, in spite of heavy
bombing of West Germany during the war, there still were 16,800 mills, now only
1,460 remain. In ten years probably only 300 to 350 mills will remain.
In 1948 Ernst Fink built a water-driven completely new
style (modern) electrical power plant at the Vockenmuhle. It was one of the
most modern in Hessen and Ernst run it as a hobby. While Ernst owned the
Vockenmuhle he developed a water power generator to supply electric from the
streams by means of turbines which supplied the farm and the town of Burghaun
with electric. The power plant was operated right at the house.
In 1964, Ernst built a modern
efficient sawmill which he sold. Then so that his children might earn good incomes
more easily, Ernst bought the sawmill back again. The land which belonged to
the Vockenmuhle was sold to Ernst son-in-law in 1981.
Ernst says he had five
vacations (jobs); mill over-seer, master of the sawmill (master Millwright), landlord,
electrical operating engineer (stromerzeuger) and mills/hydro-electric
supervisor. After Ernst Fink died 13 Aug 1998, the Vockenmuhle was sold a few
years later as no one in the family wanted to take over his work.
Below are possible related to our
Hahn’s
Anna Margaretha Hahn bpt 31 Aug
1788 at county Oberhessen, town of Queck
Father – Kasper Hahn
mother - Gertrude Steinacker
Anna Elizabeth Han married 23
Oct 1760
To Christoph Becker at
Veckerhagen - Hessen- Nassau
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