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Solomon and Permelia (Renfro) Coil Family
David A and Martha Ann (Coil) Bishop Family
James Riley and Martha Ann (Coil-Bishop) Coil Family
Glenwood R and Nora Elizabeth (Coil) Bishop Family


Subject: Re: Palmer #4 Elisebeth PALMER's & Elijah Ninon COIL'S family
Date: 21 Feb 1998  From: "wanda palmer perry" wandap@silverstar.com
I never came into the Coil family until my Great Great Aunt married Elijah
Ninon COIL., here is my line.       Wanda
Subject: Re: Palmer #4 Elisebeth PALMER's & Elijah Ninon COIL'S family
>>1.  Permelia L. COIL b 7 Aug 1881 Shamrock, Callaway, Mo. d. 13 May 1882
>>2.  Early Otto COIL b. 7 sep 1883 Shamrock, Callaway, Mo. m. Nellie May
>>     HAMILTON in Mo. d. 29 Jun 1952 Mo.
>>3.  Lula Effie COIL b. 6 Nov 1884 m. William leonard Lesley HARVEY d. 2 Feb 1965
>>4.  Vernie Frances COIL b. 15 Nov 1886 Shamrock, Mo. m. William Thomas
>>     NICHOLS d. 28 Dec 1961
>>5.  John Henry COIL b. 10 Jan 1889 Mo., m. Lela Irene PALMER 28 Nov 1924 Hot
>>     Springs, So.Dak. d. 26 May 1973 Huron,So.Dak.
>>6.  Beverly Edward COIL 4 Feb 1890/91 d. 2 Feb 1892 Shamrock, Mo.
>>7.  Frederick Solomon COIL 2 Mar 1893 Mo., m. Ollie Francis PALMER 12 Mar
>>     1917 Wessington Springs, Beadle, So.Dak. d. 17 Jul 1971 Huron,Beadle, So.Dak.
>>8.  Elijah Albert COIL 6 Mar 1895 Montgomery Co. Mo., d. 20 Dec 1896 Mo.
>>9.  Harry Porter COIL b. 6 Aug 1896 Mo., d. 25 Feb ? Calif.
>>10. Melvin Herman COIL 7 Aug 1898 Shamrock, Mo. d. 8 Feb 1981 Wis.
>>11. Mary Belle COIL 2 Jan 1901 Chesterfield Co., Mo. m. Ben B.Hibbard d. 22
>>     Jun 1980 St. Louis, Mo.
>>12. Milton Ninon COIL b. 27 Nov 1904 Mo., d. 31 Jul 1905 Mo.
>>13. Marvin Claude COIL b. 9 May 1903 Mo., m. Etta Belle PALMER 18 Dec 1920
>>     Miller, Hand, South Dakota
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Subject: Re: Bishop - Coil Folks  Date: 24 Feb 1998
From: William F Bishop wbishop@tranquility.net
To: Edward Coil ecoil@yahoo.com  CC: Wanda Palmer Perry wandap@silverstar.com
Edward Coil wrote:
>  Hello everyone, here is what I found on each of the following persons:
> David A and Mattie (Coil) Bishop Family - nothing, I do not have a
> David A Bishop or Mattie Coil in my database as of yet.
>  Beverly Allen and Eliza Jane (Coil) Bishop Family - I do not show a
> Beverly Allen Bishop but I do have an Elizabeth J. or A. Coil, as the
> daughter of Soloman Coil and Permelia Renfro.  I have Elizabeth as
> being born about 1856 based on an age of 4 in the 1860 census.  I do
> not have any info. about her marriage however.
>  I have a photo of Soloman's and Permelia's tombstone which reads as follows:
> COIL
> SOLOMAN COIL          PERMELIA HIS WIFE
> SEPT. 12, 1831,       JAN. 20, 1827,
>                       JAN. 18, 1914,
>  The tombstone is a newer replacement of the original tombstone and you
> can still see the original base, but the new one does not show a death
> date for Soloman.
>  Also in the 1900 census for Callaway County I saw a Fountain Bishop
> listed before George Edward Coil (my great-grandfather).  Hope this is
> helpful for someone.
        Fountain Bishop is the brother of Sinclair Jefferson Bishop (my
great-grandfather)...  Fountain W and Sinclair J were sons of Tyra D and Rebecca
(Wilburn) Bishop of Shamrock, Callaway County, Missouri...  Tyra D Bishop had a brother
named Granville Addison Bishop...  one of Granville's sons was Beverly Allen Bishop
(1852-1914) who married Eliza Jane Coil (1855-1945) on 27 April 1876...
        Apparently in 1945 when she died Eliza Jane still had a brother, James B Coil,
and a sister, Mrs. Martha Coil, living in the East Shamrock area...   also per Eliza
Jane's obituary "Mrs. Bishop, who was the daughter of Solomon and Permelia Renfro Coil,
was a member of Liberty Church for many years.  She lived in the same community in which
she was born for her entire life."  :-)...  btw both Beverly Allen and Eliza Jane (Coil)
Bishop are buried in the Liberty Christian Church Cemetery just northwest of Shamrock...
along with Fountain W Bishop..  Tyra D and Rebecca (Wilburn) Bishop...  and other
Bithops & related family...  Granville Addison Bishop had his gravestone located
(recently) in the Bethel Cemetery right across the Callaway-Montgomery County line...  a
mile plus north of Route B which is west of Montgomery City...  where a number of Bishop
and related family are buried...  Granville Addison Bishop was in fact killed by Union
soldiers 21 July 1861 on his farm off Route B west of Montgomery City...
        Where is Solomon and Permilia Coil buried?...  what is your relationship to
Solomon and Permilia Coil?...  expressed another way I guess is...  what is your
great-grandfather George Edward Coil's relationship to Solomon and Permilia Coil?...
guess these connections would make us all cousins of sorts...  :-)...
can you give me a couple of paragraphs or so of your genealogy that
would relate your line and it's connection to Solomon and Permilia
Coil?...  thanks...
                        ----------------------------------------
                   Obituary Eliza Jane (Coil) Bishop,
                 Callaway County, Missouri, 29 Jun 1945
        Montgomery Standard, Montgomery City, Missouri, 20 July 1945

Mrs. Janie Bishop Standard Subscriber For 50 Years, Dies.
        Eliza Jane Bishop was born September 19, 1855, on the old Coil farm,
near the Callaway-Montgomery county line, where she grew to womanhood.  On
April 27, 1876, she was united in marriage to Beverly A. Bishop by Rev.
Shores of Montgomery county.  To them were born four children.  One, a girl,
died in infancy.  The boys surviving are:  Bert, of Jefferson City; Lon and
Beverly G., of East Shamrock.  Also three daughters-in-law, three
grandchildren and six great grandchildren, one brother, James B. Coil,
sister, Mrs. Martha Coil, both of East Shamrock vincity.
        Mrs. Bishop, who was the daughter of Solomon and Permelia Renfro
Coil, was a member of Liberty Church for many years.  She lived in the same
community in which she was born for her entire life.
        Her husband died December 8, 1914, but she and the youngest son
continued to live on the farm until her recent illness, and she was taken to
the hospital.  She passed away at the Fulton hospital June 29, 1945, being
89 years, 9 months and 10 days of age.  She was buried at Liberty Church
cemetery July 1.  Six nephews were casket-bearers and four nieces carried
the flowers.  The services were conducted by Rev Larson of Fulton, Mo.  B.G.
Bishop.
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Subject: Re: Bishop - Coil Folks  Date: 25 Feb 1998
To: Wanda Palmer Perry wandap@silverstar.com, Edward Coil ecoil@yahoo.com
Wanda Palmer Perry wrote:
> My Great Great Aunt married Elijah Ninon Coil (this is Solomon and
> Permilia's son) and this is where I become related to the Coil's. I wish my
> Palmer's were as easy to find. Elizabeth Jane Palmer-Coil, Elijah's wife,
> and her brother Wm Palmer, 3 of his girl's married 3 of his sister's boys.,
> they were first cousins. Some of these Coil's live in South Dakota.
> Wanda
        Looks like you are a distant cousin then...  :-)...  do you by any chance have
more information on Solomon and Permilia Coil?...  how many and who their children
were?...  perhaps who they married?...  Ed Coil seems to know where Solomon and Permilia
were buried...  at least he has a photo of their gravestone...  I think he is also
related to them but he hasn't gotten back yet with what the connection is between his
great-grandfather, George Edward Coil, and Solomon and Permilia...  am waiting to get a
reply from him with additional information detail about his connection to Solomon and
Permilia...
        You stated your line in your previous message...  putting together what I have
been given so far...  it thus seems that:

Soloman Coil (1831-?) m. Permelia Renfro (1827-1914), Shamrock, Callaway County, Mo
  four children (identified so far):
1. Eliza Jane Coil (1855-1945) m. 1876 Beverly Allen Bishop (1852-1914), Shamrock
2. James B Coil, East Shamrock
3. Martha Coil, East Shamrock (married a Coil)
4. Elijah Ninon Coil (?-?) m. Elizabeth Jane Palmer (?-?)

Elijah Ninon Coil (?-?) m. Elizabeth Jane Palmer (?-?)
  thirteen children:
1.  Permelia L. COIL b 7 Aug 1881 Shamrock, Callaway, Mo. d. 13 May 1882
2.  Early Otto COIL b. 7 sep 1883 Shamrock, Callaway, Mo. m. Nellie May
     HAMILTON in Mo. d. 29 Jun 1952 Mo.
3.  Lula Effie COIL b. 6 Nov 1884 m. William leonard Lesley HARVEY d. 2 Feb 1965
4.  Vernie Frances COIL b. 15 Nov 1886 Shamrock, Mo. m. William Thomas
     NICHOLS d. 28 Dec 1961
5.  John Henry COIL b. 10 Jan 1889 Mo., m. Lela Irene PALMER 28 Nov 1924 Hot
     Springs, So.Dak. d. 26 May 1973 Huron,So.Dak.
6.  Beverly Edward COIL 4 Feb 1890/91 d. 2 Feb 1892 Shamrock, Mo.
7.  Frederick Solomon COIL 2 Mar 1893 Mo., m. Ollie Francis PALMER 12 Mar
     1917 Wessington Springs, Beadle, So.Dak. d. 17 Jul 1971 Huron,Beadle, So.Dak.
8.  Elijah Albert COIL 6 Mar 1895 Montgomery Co. Mo., d. 20 Dec 1896 Mo.
9.  Harry Porter COIL b. 6 Aug 1896 Mo., d. 25 Feb ? Calif.
10. Melvin Herman COIL 7 Aug 1898 Shamrock, Mo. d. 8 Feb 1981 Wis.
11. Mary Belle COIL 2 Jan 1901 Chesterfield Co., Mo. m. Ben B.Hibbard d. 22
     Jun 1980 St. Louis, Mo.
12. Milton Ninon COIL b. 27 Nov 1904 Mo., d. 31 Jul 1905 Mo.
13. Marvin Claude COIL b. 9 May 1903 Mo., m. Etta Belle PALMER 18 Dec 1920
     Miller, Hand, South Dakota

        Can you or Ed Coil build upon what I have put together so far?...  or provide
any corrections?...  Wanda did you and Ed know each other before I first emailed the two
of you a few days ago about Bishop-Coil genealogy?...  btw why was it that some of the
Coil's came to live in South Dakota?...  I have heard something about some South or
North Dakota land being made available in the 1850s by drawing I think for folks that
could be gotten to go up there...  burrrr!...  :-)...  would that have been how they got
there in the first place?...  btw my wife is from Fargo, North Dakota...  and I have
been to North Dakota before several times to visit...  I used to live in Minneapolis,
Minnesota (1970-1972) where I met my wife...  Wanda, do you live in Missouri?...  I
think but am not sure that Ed Coil lives in the Callaway County area...  I am now living
in Columbia, Boone County, Missouri...  was raised in western Audrain County on a
farm...  moved later to Centralia, northeastern Boone County...  then was out of state
to various places for a number of years...  to Texas, Germany, Missouri, Minnesota,
Kansas, Florida, Missouri, Michigan, Missouri...  looks like I'm here to stay now...
too old to be moving around anymore with my family...  :-)...
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Subject: Re: Bishop-Coil Family Connections  Date: 25 Feb 1998
To: Edward Coil ecoil@yahoo.com, Wanda Palmer Perry wandap@silverstar.com
Edward Coil wrote:
> Soloman and Permelia are buried at Liberty Christian Cemetary in
> Shamrock, Missouri.  Soloman and my great-great grandfather were
> brothers.  Here is my lineage:
>
> Elijah Coil b1Aug1806 d2Mar1862 married Lucinda Lail b5Jun1809 d20Mar1886
> Jacob Coil III b11Jun1834 d22Mar1885 married Lydia Elizabeth Helms b1839 d10Oct1874
> George Edward Coil bOct1866 d1946 married Alice Wells
> Carson Coil b27Mar1895 dNov1958 married Lottie Belle Carlyle
> Carson Carlyle Coil b15May1936 d4Dec1993 married Frieda Rose Kemna b12Jul1936
> Edward John Coil b18Jun1966 married on 6Jun1992 to Kimberly Marie Krolik b12Aug1969
>
> The graves for Elijah and Lucinda as well as Jacob Coil III and Lydia Elizabeth are
> at Liberty Christian.  I have pictures of all them.  So we are related.

        NEAT!...  integrating what you have given me with what Wanda Palmer Perry
has provided...  it thus far seems that:

I. Elijah Coil (1806-1862) m. Lucinda (Lail) (1809-1886)
  two children (identified so far):
1. Soloman Coil (1831-?) m. Permelia Renfro (1827-1914)
2. Jacob Coil III (1834-1885) m. Lydia Elizabeth (Helms) (1839-1874)
--
II-1. Soloman Coil (?-1831) m. Permelia Renfro (1827-1914), Shamrock, Callaway County, Mo
  four children (identified so far):
1. Eliza Jane Coil (1855-1945) m. 1876 Beverly Allen Bishop (1852-1914), Shamrock
2. James B Coil, East Shamrock
3. Martha Coil, East Shamrock (married a Coil)
4. Elijah Ninon Coil (?-?) m. Elizabeth Jane Palmer (?-?)

III-4. Elijah Ninon Coil (?-?) m. Elizabeth Jane Palmer (?-?)
  thirteen children:
1.  Permelia L. COIL b 7 Aug 1881 Shamrock, Callaway, Mo. d. 13 May 1882
2.  Early Otto COIL b. 7 sep 1883 Shamrock, Callaway, Mo. m. Nellie May
     HAMILTON in Mo. d. 29 Jun 1952 Mo.
3.  Lula Effie COIL b. 6 Nov 1884 m. William leonard Lesley HARVEY d. 2 Feb 1965
4.  Vernie Frances COIL b. 15 Nov 1886 Shamrock, Mo. m. William Thomas
     NICHOLS d. 28 Dec 1961
5.  John Henry COIL b. 10 Jan 1889 Mo., m. Lela Irene PALMER 28 Nov 1924 Hot
     Springs, So.Dak. d. 26 May 1973 Huron,So.Dak.
6.  Beverly Edward COIL 4 Feb 1890/91 d. 2 Feb 1892 Shamrock, Mo.
7.  Frederick Solomon COIL 2 Mar 1893 Mo., m. Ollie Francis PALMER 12 Mar
     1917 Wessington Springs, Beadle, So.Dak. d. 17 Jul 1971 Huron,Beadle, So.Dak.
8.  Elijah Albert COIL 6 Mar 1895 Montgomery Co. Mo., d. 20 Dec 1896 Mo.
9.  Harry Porter COIL b. 6 Aug 1896 Mo., d. 25 Feb ? Calif.
10. Melvin Herman COIL 7 Aug 1898 Shamrock, Mo. d. 8 Feb 1981 Wis.
11. Mary Belle COIL 2 Jan 1901 Chesterfield Co., Mo. m. Ben B.Hibbard d. 22
     Jun 1980 St. Louis, Mo.
12. Milton Ninon COIL b. 27 Nov 1904 Mo., d. 31 Jul 1905 Mo.
13. Marvin Claude COIL b. 9 May 1903 Mo., m. Etta Belle PALMER 18 Dec 1920
     Miller, Hand, South Dakota
--
II-2.  Jacob Coil III (1834-1885) m. Lydia Elizabeth (Helms) (1839-1874)
III-1. George Edward Coil bOct1866 d1946 married Alice Wells
IV-1.  Carson Coil b27Mar1895 dNov1958 married Lottie Belle Carlyle
V-1.   Carson Carlyle Coil b15May1936 d4Dec1993 married Frieda Rose Kemna b12Jul1936
VI-1.  Edward John Coil b18Jun1966 married on 6Jun1992 to Kimberly Marie Krolik b12Aug1969
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        Does this look right to you Ed?...  I see a LAIL (Lucinda Lail) connection...
do you have the other children of Elijah and Lucinda (Lail) Coil...  that is, other than
Solomon Coil and Jacob Coil III?...  the reason I asked about your COIL-LAIL connection
is because there is also a BISHOP-LAIL connection...  :-)...  see the "Granville Addison
and Mary Ann (Spears) Bishop Family" with link on the "Bishop Families of Montgomery
County & MO" page...  the wife of Granville Addison Bishop was Mary Ann Spears...
Mary Ann's mother was Jane Pope Lail...  for information about Jane Pope Lail see several
links on the "Granville Addison and Mary Ann (Spears) Bishop Family" page...  :-)...
also James G Robertson (jasgrob@ultravision.net) is a descendant of the Lail line...
Wonder if Wanda Palmer Perry (a Coil descendant too) can add to our growing structure
of information for the Solomon and Permelia?...  btw I have built a "Solomon and
Permelia (Renfro) Bishop Family" on the website...  you can find it as a link off the
"Bishop Families of Montgomery County & MO" page...  if you or Wanda have any more
information that is relevant to that family or descendants or ancestors then let me
know...  :-)...
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Subject: Re: Bishop - Coil Folks  Date: 25 Feb 1998
To: Wanda Palmer Perry wandap@silverstar.com
Wanda Palmer Perry wrote:
> I was born in Huron, South Dakota, raised in Utah, lived in Montana (with
> husband) and am now living in Star Valley, Wyoming.
> My Great Grandfather Wm Palmer migrated to So.Dak, I don't know why. , 3 of
> his sister's children moved to So.Dak., married 3 of his daughter's. If I
> remember right they all did not stay in So.Dak.
> I would like to have your line, if you do not mind. I am interested in all
> my lines, I love genealogy.           Wanda
        Genealogy is lots of fun...  :-)...  if you want info about my line take a look
at the "Bishop Families of Montgomery County & MO" link on the website - url below...
then notice at Sixth Generation:  "William Frank Jr and Patricia Ann (Mulholland) Bishop
Family"  select that link then you can track backwards up the generations via the
"father and mother" links on those pages...  hope you don't mind sharing your genealogy
information with some other family and related members...  :-)...  have also been
keeping the email correspondence on some links of the "Solomon and Permelia (Renfro)
Bishop Family" page which I just set up while ago...
        Judging from your roaming described above you are somewhat of a cowgirl...
:-)...  are you a city cowgirl or a country cowgirl?...  I grew up on a 240 acre farm in
western Audrain County, Missouri...  the most my father knew about our Bishop background
was that they were from the Shamrock, Callaway County, Missouri area...  I don't even
think he knew that his great-grandparents were Tyra D and Rebecca (Wilburn) Bishop who
lived just across the road from the Liberty Christian Church and Cemetery near
Shamrock...  in fact Tyra and Rebecca donated the land for that cemetery in the 1850s I
think it was...  that information and all that I have found out since has been learned
since my father, William Frank Bishop, died in 1978...  there are several other Bishop
descendants that are online and working together on our Bishop genealogy which we have
been placing on the website...  if you have any other information that would be
informative please let us know...  and I think you will find Nancy Hale Lee of the
Montgomery County Genealogical Society very friendly and helpful if you ask her
questions via email...  btw she is a Bishop descendant too...  BUT curiously enough of a
different line of Bishops who lived in Audrain County, Missouri, in the 1800s but were
from Kentucky...  later that line moved into the St Charles area near St Louis...  we
have not yet been able to connect her Greenberry Bishop line with the Samuel A Bishop
family line of Montgomery County, Missouri...
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Subject: Re: Bishop-Coil Family Connections  Date: 25 Feb 1998
From: Edward Coil ecoil@yahoo.com
I believe that Elijah's brother also married a Lail.  There are
several Lails buried at Liberty Christian Cemetary.  The family
appears to have moved to Shamrock from Kentucky at the same time that
the Coils did.  I have information on Elijah's other children as well
as his father, grandfather, and great-grandfather, Valentine (Felty)
Coil/Coile/Goil/Kile/etc. I am at work right now so I don't have the
info.  I plan on buying a new home computer soon which will have
internet access for my home. Right now I only have access through my
work computer.  So soon I will be able to transmit GEDCOM files
with the data I have on Family Scrapbook software.
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Subject: Re: Bishop-Coil Family Connections  Date: 25 Feb 1998
From: Edward Coil ecoil@yahoo.com
Hello everyone, Just to set the record straight, I live in St. Charles
County, Missouri but have made several visits to Shamrock in Callaway
Co.and Mexico in Audrain Co., also my mothers family (Kemna) is from
Martinsburg, MO which I believe is in Montgomery Co.  I don't recall
ever finding a reference to the Coils or Lails in the History of
Callaway Co. but the History of Bourbon County, Kentucky which is
where Elijah Coil and Lucinda Lail were from has info. on Elijah's
father, Jacob Coil II, and Lucinda's parents.  I believe the book may
say that Jacob II was born in Ireland but I don't believe that to be
true, rather his father, Jacob Coil I would have been born in Ireland.
  If you would like all kinds of references to the
Coil/Coile/Coyle/Kile/Kyle/Goil family, you should check out a book
called Chalkey's Scotch-Irish of Augusta County Virginia.  This book
has court records from around 1750s to 1780s, with references to when
Valentine Coil purchased 300 acres, to his sons serving in the British
militia during the French/Indian war, to Valentine's naturalization.
Unfortunately, the surname has multiple spellings in these court
records as I showed above, so you have to look at several different
places in the index.  But the reading is quite interesting.  Another
possible difficulty with the court records as well as census records
for these families are that they were not very creative in first
names, i.e. several Gabriels, Georges, Jacobs, etc.  The Coils lived
in Augusta, Rockingham, and Pendleton Counties in Virginia and
Pendleton County is now in West Virginia.  Family Tree Maker has a
genealogy which shows Gabriel Kyle/Kile (eldest son of Valentine
Coil). Well I will get everyone my family tree as soon as I get my new
computer.  Happy hunting, this should keep you busy for a while.   Ed.
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Subject: Re: Coil-Bishop  Date: 26 Feb 1998  To: Wanda Palmer Perry wandap@silverstar.com
Wanda Palmer Perry wrote:
> Granville Beverly A. BISHOP married Eliza Jane COIL abt 1875, his parents
> were Samuel Bishop b.Va. and Sarah Viah.
> Liberty Cemetery page 82, infant daughter of E.J. and B.A. Bishop, born and
> died 11 Dec 1898.
> Children:
> Polly female, Rebecca female, Edmond D. b. 27 May 1880 in Mo. died Jun 1976
> Mo., Alonzo S. b. Apr 1884 in Mo.
> Beverly G. b 1902 in Mo.
> I am not related to the Coil's at this time.
        What document are you referring to here as being on page 82?...  by
your saying "I am not related to the Coil's at this time." are you
saying that you aren't related to Eliza Jane COIL and family above?...
or do you mean something else...  :-)...  you will have to forgive me
for being a stickler for detail as it is SO easy for me to get
information mixed up!!!  that is why I ask lots of questions and why I
usually give full names and places when writing about folks...  :-)...
thus there is less chance for confusion when read then and certainly at
a later time when the conversation context is not there to help the
understanding...  :-)...
> The Coil's were also slave holder's, I will send this info as soon as I get
> copies and your addresses.
        So were the Bishops and Wilburns...  would it be possible for you to
type up some of this info and email to me?...  otherwise my address is
shown on link "Business Card" of my main website at
http://www.bishopcomputing.com...  :-)...  hopefully you could type up
some of your info and I could place on the website...  that will save me
some work in typing it...  otherwise if you can't get it typed up...
then send it to my Business Card address which is my home address...
:-)...  thanks...
> I love sharing my genealogy, isn't that what it is all about?
> Parents: Fredrick Solomon Coil and Ollie Francis Coil (they were 1st
> cousins, I feel very closely related to both)
> children:
        Sharing is fun...  and turns out often to be very productive too...  do
you mean by this do I have more info?...  I will see what I can find
out...  if you have any more info about these folks just let me know...
will ttyl...  :-)...
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Subject: Coil-Allen line  Date: 26 Feb 1998
From: Wanda Palmer Perry wandap@silverstar.com
This is a Census of Bourbon Co., Ky. 1850:
Polly Mary COIL (parents Jacob and Elisebeth COIL)
b.Bourbon Co.,Ky abt 1795
m.?Adniram b.aby 1785 in Georgia , married 12 Mar 1816
  children:
James 1823, John 1825, Amanda 1829, Louisa abt 1832,
Adniam abt 1833, Elizabeth abt 1837, William abt 1844,
Mary Fisher abt 1840, William abt 1842
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Subject: Coil line  Date: 26 Feb 1998
To: Beverly Robinson beverly@plnet.net
Beverly Robinson wrote:
> Bill, looks like things are picking up again!  Oh what fun.  My husband has a Coil line also.
> Larry Robinson b. 1942, his father Gail b. 1916, Lucile Virginia Wilburn
> b. 1893, Noah Wilburn b. 1849, St Clair Wilburn b.1820, married Susan
> Coil b.1831, married 30 July 1845 in Callaway County, she was the
> daughter of Noah Coil,  Jacob Coil II b. 1768, Jacob Coil I b. 1730,
> Valentine (Felty) Coil b. 1710...Thanks again, Beverly
        Help me to understand...  :-)...  is the following what you are saying?...
My husband has a Coil line also:
Larry Robinson b. 1942,
father:         Gail Robinson b. 1916 (Larry's father)
gmother:        Lucile Virginia Wilburn b. 1893 (Gail's mother)
g-gfather:      Noah Wilburn b. 1849 (Lucile's father)
gg-gfather:     St Clair Wilburn b.1820, (married 30 July 1845 in Callaway County to
		  Susan Coil b.1831; Noah's father)
ggg-gfather:    Noah Coil (Susan's father)
gggg-gfather:   Jacob Coil II b. 1768 (Noah's father)
ggggg-gfather:  Jacob Coil I b. 1730 (Jacob II's father)
gggggg-gfather: Valentine (Felty) Coil b. 1710...  (Jacob I's father)
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Subject: Coil line Date: 26 Feb 1998
From:  Beverly Robinson beverly@plnet.net
Bill, Yes that is what I am trying to say.
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Subject: Coil - Liberty Christian Church Cemetery, Shamrock, Callaway County, Missouri
Date: 27 Feb 1998  To: Wanda Palmer Perry wandap@silverstar.com,
Beverly Robinson beverly@plnet.net, Edward Coil ecoil@yahoo.com
FYI,  taken from a list of Liberty Church Cemetery gravestones which
list I found at the Daniel Boone Regional Library in Columbia,
Missouri...

91.   Coil, Mary Belle  1901-19??
92.   Coil, Annie Elizabeth     12 May 1917-26 Sep 1917, daughter of A.A. & G. Coil
93.   Coil, Elizabeth           26 Aug 1838-13 Apr 1909, wife of George A. Coil
94.   Coil, Elijah N.           1852-1930
95.   Coil, Elizabeth J.        1864-19??
96.   Coil, Louisa Pleasant     1881-1917
97.   Coil, Solomon             12 Sep 1831-?
98.   Coil, Permelia            20 Jan 1827-18 Jan 1914, his wife
99.     (Small grave unmarked)
100.  Coil, Infant              31 Aug 1901-31 Aug 1901, dau of James R. & Lizzie Coil
101.    (Two graves marked
102.     only with shells)
103.  Coil, Herbert J.          2 Mar 1897-29 Nov 1898, son of T.B. & G Coil
104.  Coil, Gertrude            8 Apr 1869-4 May 1900, wife of T.B. Coil
105.  Coil, Lucinda             3 Jun 1809-2 Mar 1862, wife of E. Coil
106.  Coil, Elijah              1 Aug 1806-2 Mar 1862
107.    (Grave here unmarked)
108.  Coil, James R.            24 Nov 1859-29 May 1926
109.  Coil, Mattie N.           1 Jan 1863-?
110.  Coil, Bertha Lee          7 Aug 1886-25 Oct 1886, dau of J.R. & M.A. Coil
111.  Coil, Stella May          11 Jun 1885-8 Mar 1886, dau of J.R. & M.A. Coil
112.  Coil, George              26 Mar 1885-10 Jul 1885, son of J.F. & L. Coil
113.  Coil, Curtis Lee          17 Nov 1881-7 Aug 1882, son of J.F. & L. Coil
114.  Coil, Wilmoth             1 Oct 1880-11 Nov 1880, dau of J.F. & L. Coil
115.  Coil, Lydia E.            10 Oct 1874, age 35y, 3m, 25d, wife of Jacob Coil
116.  Coil, Jacob               11 Jun 1834-22 Mar 1885, age 50y, 9m, 11d
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Subject: Mattie Coil  Date: 9 Mar 1998  From: Edward Coil ecoil@yahoo.com
    I have photos of various graves at Liberty Christian Cemetary in
Shamrock, MO.  One such tombstone reads:

COIL JAMES R.  NOV 24, 1859 MAY 29, 1926
     MATTIE N. JAN 1, 1863 APR 26, 1955

    I show James Riley Coil as a son of Jacob Coil III and Lydia Elizabeth
Helms.  Jacob III was a brother of Solomon Coil, the father of Martha
Ann Coil.  So it appears that James Riley and Martha Coil were first
cousins.

    I show 4 chidren for James Riley and Martha Coil:
Herbert C. Coil  b. 4-May-1897 d. 15-Jun-1987 buried at Liberty (no picture)
Nora E. Coil (no information)
Stella May Coil b. 14-Jun-1885  d. 8-Mar-1886  buried at Liberty (have picture)
Bertha Lee Coil b. 7-Aug-1886  d. 25-Oct-1886  buried at Liberty (have picture)
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Subject: Mattie Coil  Date: 09 Mar 1998  From: Beverly Robinson beverly@plnet.net
Bill, just a note from my records about Nora E. Coil.
Nora E.  b. 1890  d. 1980  m. Glenwood Bishop, b. 1890 d. 1965
a son:  Albert Lee Bishop, b. 1916  d. 1985
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Subject: Some Coil Folk - James H. Kyle Family Home Page; COIL, LAIL, SPEARS
Date: 11 Mar 1998  To: Beverly Robinson beverly@plnet.net,
Wanda Palmer Perry wandap@silverstar.com, Edward Coil ecoil@yahoo.com
CC: James G Robertson jasgrob@ultravision.net
FYI,   Descendants of Felte (Valentine ?) Kille
http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/k/y/l/James-H-Kyle/ODT8-0001.phpl
        Page 3 of 6 of the website has COIL and LAIL and SPEARS...  :-)...
and shows Noah Coil married to Elizabeth Lail where Noah dies in Callaway
County, Missouri while his wife Elizabeth dies in Dennison, Texas...  the
children of Noah and Elizabeth (Lail) Coil being John, Susan, Elizabeth
Ann, Jacob Y, Margaret, William and Martha Elmira Coil...
                --------------------------------------------------
.  2  Jacob (Kile) Coil, Sr  Abt. 1734 - Abt. 1810  b: Abt. 1734    d: Abt.
1810 in Pendleton County, West Virginia
....  +Margaret Cullip  1748/49 -  b: January 10, 1748/49  m: Abt. 1770  d:
in Fayette County, Ohio
....  3  Jacob Coil, Jr  1768 - 1828  b: November 12, 1768 in Augusta
County, Virginia    d: June 23, 1828 in Bourbon County, Kentucky
.......  +Elizabeth Spears  Abt. 1774 - 1848  b: Abt. 1774    d: 1848 in
Bourbon County, Kentucky
.......  4  Solomon Coil
.......  4  John Coil, Sr          Fact 1: 1805 Will written Shennadoah County
..........  +Betty
..........  5  John Coil, Jr
..........  5  Jacob Coil
..........  5  Henry Coil
..........  5  Peter Coil
..........  5  Abraham Coil
..........  5  Katherine Coil
..........  5  Elizabeth Coil
..........  5  Dorothy Coil
..........  5  Rosina Coil
.......  4  George Coil
.......  4  Elizabeth Coil
.......  4  Polly (Mary) Coil
.......  4  Noah Coil  1801 - 1843  b: January 27, 1801 in Bourbon County,
Kentucky    d: September 29, 1843 in Callaway County, Missouri
..........  +Elizabeth Lail  1813 - Abt. 1900  b: September 16, 1813 in
Harrison County, Kentucky  m: January 30, 1830 in Bourbon County, Kentucky
d: Abt. 1900 in Dennison, Texas
..........  5  John Coil
..........  5  Susan Coil
..........  5  Elizabeth Ann Coil
..........  5  Jacob Y. Coil
..........  5  Margaret Coil
..........  5  William Coil
..........  5  Martha Elmira Coil  1840 - 1904  b: September 25, 1840 in
Calloway County, Missouri    d: January 02, 1904 in Pameroy, Washington
.............  +Zenas Ashman Baldwin  1828 - 1903  b: March 04, 1828 in
Caldwell, New Jersey  m: December 16, 1858 in Middleton, Missouri  d:
December 09, 1903 in Pomeroy, Washington
.............  6  Naomi Elizabeth Baldwin  1854 -  b: October 01, 1854
.............  6  Noah Oscar Baldwin  1861 -  b: July 09, 1861
.............  6  Katherine Eleanor Baldwin  1865 -  b: July 1865
.............  6  Marcus Hilbert Baldwin  1866 -  b: January 23, 1866
.............  6  Charles Milton Baldwin  1868 -  b: January 02, 1868
.............  6  Mary Louise Baldwin  1870 -  b: March 26, 1870
.............  6  Anna Maria Baldwin  1872 -  b: May 11, 1872
.............  6  Jennie Baldwin  1874 -  b: December 07, 1874
.............  6  Martha Washington Baldwin  1878 - 1963  b: May 17, 1878
in Pomeroy, Washington    d: November 15, 1963 in Clarkston, Washington
................  +John Lonzo Woody  1872 - 1942  b: May 02, 1872 in Yancy
County, North Carolina  m: January 01, 1899 in Pomeroy, Washington  d: September 26, 1942
................  7  Lorraine Marjorie Woody
...................  +George Francis Pattison
...................  8  Susan Marie Pattison
...................  8  Ruth Yvonne Pattison
...................  8  Dale Francis Pattison
......................  +Carol Lynn
......................  9  Laura Kathleen Pattison
......................  9  Sean Thomas Pattison
...................  8  Michael Thomas Pattison
.............  6  Ralph Baldwin  1881 -  b: January 03, 1881
..........  5  Noah Coil, Jr  1843 -  b: 1843
..........  5  James P. Coil  Abt. 1844 -  b: Abt. 1844
.......  4  Elijah Coil  1806 -  b: August 01, 1806
.......  4  Margaret D. Coil  Abt. 1815 -  b: Abt. 1815
----

Subject: Re: Some Coil Folk - James H. Kyle Family Home Page  Date: 11 Mar 1998
From: Edward Coil ecoil@yahoo.com
Thanks, I tried to contact this person before regarding the Coil
family and he never returned my emails.  The Kyles claim that
Valentine came from Germany and that Coil is German.  Although
Valentine came on a ship that originally sailed from Germany it
stopped in England before reaching America.  I believe Valentine got
on there and not in Germany. The spelling on the ships log would have
been written by the ships captain who was German.  That is how I
believe the error occurred.  Valentine had too many occurrences of
Coil/Coile/Coyle to be German and lived in a Scotch-Irish area of
Virginia. This is a mystery I continue to try and solve.  Let me know
if any of you can get a return message from James Kyle because I would
love to find out his sources.  Thanks Ed.
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Subject: Re: Bishops  Date: 20 Mar 98  From: "Ingram, Ruby" RINGRAM@ppd.uky.edu
I find this very interesting about the Renfro, Coil, and Bishop connection.
Hope we can find more on this.  Renfro Valley is located near Mt. Vernon,
Kentucky, about an hours drive, South,  on I-75,  from Lexington, KY.  Their
address on the internet is:  http://www.renfrovalley.com/
This is an interesting page.  Ruby
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Subject: Re: Renfro, Coil, Bishop Connections  Date: 20 Mar 1998
From: Edward Coil ecoil@yahoo.com
Hello, Just to let you know.  Bourbon County, Kentucky is northeast of
Lexington.  Bourbon County is where the Coils and Lails came from
before moving to Shamrock, Missouri.  Thought you might want to know.
Also, an update on my home computer situation. I have my new computer
but am having problems getting my genealogy software loaded.  Will let
everyone know when I can send GENCOM of my files.  Bye for now.  Ed Coil
----

Subject: [Fwd: Re: Renfro, Coil, Bishop Connections]  Date: 20 Mar 1998
To: "Ruby (Bishop) Ingram" RINGRAM@ppd.uky.edu
Ruby,  looks as if the Coil-Renfro connection might have originated in
or near Bourbon County, Kentucky...  at this time don't know who were
the parents and family of Solomon Coil's wife, Permelia (Renfro)...  but
seems more possible now that the person for which Renfro Valley,
Kentucky, is named may be related to Permelia Renfro's father's line...
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Subject: Coil-Palmer Families  Date: 21 Mar 1998
From: Diana Faye Palmer Zuber dianaz@micron.net
Hi. Elijah Ninon Coil was married to my great great grandfather's
daughter Elizabeth Jane Palmer. My sister is Wanda Palmer Perry. About 2
years ago I got My sister Wanda interested in genealogy when I sent her
the family genealogy on our lines that I had worked 9 years on. I was
glad to see my hard work posted on the internet. My name is Diana Faye
Palmer Zuber. I was born May 16, 1948 in Huron, South Dakota, Beadle
County. I have several books that I have purchased from SK
Williams,  Gazetters and census books. I also have the family tree maker
CDs. I would be glad to do copies for you of some of the material that I
have. Just let me know what surnames. I have 1810 to 1850 Bourbon co.
Kentucky. 1850 and 1860 Callaway co Mo. 1860 Montgomery co Mo. census
printed books. Also cemetery books from Callaway and Montgomery Co Mo. I
also have Callaway Co. Mo. death notices and marriage notices. There are
2 of these books in my posession. I have 1890 microfilm of veterens of
the civil war. Some of the counties include Adrian, Boone, Callaway, Cole
and etc. I have 1880 census microfilm of Montgomery Co. Mo. If I can be
of help please let me know. Also are you aware that Everton has a family
file on the Bishop family. It is quit extensive. I have the family file
on a CD that I purchased from them. If you would like me to send you a
copy let me know. I have a lot of resources at my finger tips.
            Sincerely   your distant cousin, Diana
----

     From: firebird pamrooney@prodigy.net
     To: William F Bishop wbishop@mlug.missouri.edu
     Subject: Coils     Date: Monday, August 28, 2000 11:03 PM

     Congratulations on your Coil research.  It is nice to see some one who
     takes the time to get their facts correct.  I would like to discuss some of
     the MO Coils with you if you have the time. I am primarily interested in
     Jacob Coil son of George Coil who settled in Loutre Island, Audrain Co., MO
     before 1815.  This Jacob is proven to George Coil Sr and I am trying to
     determine the Coils connected to this branch of the COIL family.  Jacob of
     George appears to be in MO as a forerunner to Jacob of Jacob.  However, it
     does look like they both wound up in the same area.  In all my work on the
     COIL family I have yet to find anything that proves Jacob of KY is really
     son of Jacob of VA and could use some help with this.  I work on the very
     early line out of VA and stop between 1820-50, other than my direct.  Maybe
     we can swap some information and come to some conclusions about the two
     Jacob COILS of MO.  Looking forward to hearing from you.
     pamrooney@prodigy.net Visit my Rootsweb Free Homepage
     http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~firebird/
----

     From: William F Bishop wbishop@mlug.missouri.edu
     To: Pam Rooney pamrooney@prodigy.net
     Cc: Wanda (Palmer) Perry
     wandap@silverstar.com; Diana Faye (Palmer) Zuber dianaz@micron.net;
     Edward Coil ecoil@yahoo.com; Beverly (Sublette) Robinson
     beverly@ktis.net; Nancy (Hale) Stuart nllee@ktis.net
     Subject: Re: Coils
     Date: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 9:29 AM

     Pam, your congratulatory comments really should go to Edward Coil, Wanda
     (Palmer) Perry and her sister Diana Faye (Palmer) Zuber for these are the
     folks who have provided much of the Coil information on the Bishop
     Genealogy website...  :-)...  I have Cced them on this email at the last
     email addresses I have for them which is a couple of years old by now...
     hopefully they will received the email and you can perhaps correspond
     further with any one of them about Coil research...  I live in Columbia,
     Missouri, and do sometimes visit the Missouri State Historical Society
     which is in the University of Missouri library building not too far from
     here...  I think your best bet for further info would be the three of
     them...  Beverly (Sublette) Robinson is another person who lives in the
     west end of Mongtomery County near the Callaway County border who has
     provided Coil family history and may be of help too...  another source
     would be Nancy (Hale) Stuart who lives in the Shamrock area of eastern
     Callaway County and is involved with local genealogical and historical
     information of the area...  the Shamrock area is just a short distance
     south of Martinsburg, Audrain County, Missouri and she may have knowledge
     of more resources for you...  will take a look at your website when I get a
     chance and maybe add a link to it from the Coil info on the Bishop
     Genealogy webpages...  Bill Bishop
----

     From: P A Rooney pamrooney@prodigy.net
     To: William F Bishop wbishop@mlug.missouri.edu
     Subject: Re: Coils
     Date: Saturday, September 02, 2000 8:34 PM

     I live in Paducah, KY.  I sit in a very good spot for research.  My line of
     Coils came here in 1848 directly from VA.  I went to OH this past May and
     did some research and went to Pendleton in Nov of 99.  I plan of visiting
     Charleston, MO next week to follow up on some information re: Jacob son of
     George settled in MO before 1815.

     I tend to work on the very early part of the line and stop somewhere between
     1820-50.  I don't spend a lot of time on the line after this time period.  I
     think I got hooked on the early part because I could not find the father of
     Samuel Coil, who fathered Adam (the one who settled here in Western KY.)  I
     had the first part of my line and the last 7 generations but could not find
     the link between my Adam (b 1799) and Gabriel.  I really had a brick wall
     with Samuel Coil and Pheobe Conrad.

     Actually, I worked on the line for many, many years and found the proof in
     OH if you can believe that one!  Samuel Coil was the only son of Gabriel and
     Rebecca that did not leave VA in the late 1790's.  To this day I can not
     figure out why he didn't move on to OH with the rest of the family.

     I am trying to trace Jacob Coil the son of George and working on finding
     some documentation proving Jacob Coil of KY to Jacob Sr.  So far I have not
     found any proof that Jacob of KY is really the son of Jacob Sr.  This must
     be very frustrating to the researchers working on this part of the line.  If
     I find it frustrating and he is not my direct, for those descended through
     him it must be really frustrating!

     At any rate, I have lots of information about Jacob of KY.  I have notes
     made on him as far back as early 1900's by some earlier researchers and I
     have studied him in VA.

     The item I find most compelling about Jacob of KY is the insistence that
     this line is Irish.  IF the line of Jacob of KY is proven Irish then he
     does NOT belong to Jacob Coil of VA.  I have several references to Jacob Coil
     Jr., son of Jacob Coil Sr. from VA.

     7 July 1812 settlement of George Coil Sr.'s estate names Jacob Coil (of
     Jacob) as a legatee. Pendleton County page 202-203 WB #3.

     IT IS UNCERTAIN WHEN JACOB LEFT VA.  HIS WILL WAS WRITTEN IN KY 17 NOV 1827
     PROBATED 1828.  MARRIED ELIZABETH  IN BOURBON CO., KY.  THE SPEARS WERE IN
     RUDDLE STATION IN 1780 SO IT IS LIKELY THAT JACOB MET HER THERE.

     ELIZABETHS WILL WRITTEN 6 JUNE 1839, PROBATED 4 OCT 1847, BOURBON CO. KY
     LEFT HER ESTATE TO SON GEORGE.

     COULD THIS JACOB BE MARRIED TO MARGARET MILLER AND SHE DIED BEFORE 1806.
     I am closing in on the evidence which supports this theory.  I believe it
     very likely that Jacob married Margaret Miller by 1790 and was living in his
     own household.  I think it very probable that the first three children
     listed under Jacob and Elizabeth are children of Margaret Miller.

     According to Jacob's will he has seven children living in 1827.  Daughter
     Elizabeth married to Philip Kiplinger is dead.  There is a grandchild
     living, Elizabeth, the daughter of Elizabeth and Philip Kiplinger.

     Jacob and Elizabeth Coil from Ireland -
     History of Callaway County, Missouri, 1884

     [page 234]     Jacob and Elizabeth Coil

      Jacob and Elizabeth Coil were natives of Ireland, but came to
     America and settled in Bourbon county, Kentucky, where they had Solomon,
     Noah, John, George, Elizabeth, Elijah, Polly and Margaret.  Solomon and Noah
     settled in Callaway county in 1825.  The former died in 1842 and the latter
     in 1843.  Noah married Elizabeth Lail, by whom he had nine children.  John
     Coil also settled in Callaway county, and married Dinah Bradford.  He died
     in 1865.  Elijah married Lucinda Lail, and died in 1863.  Elizabeth, Polly
     and Margaret remained in Kentucky.

     ****they were NOT natives of Ireland.  I do not know who the "former or the
     latter" is referring to in this bio but, Jacob died in 1828 and Elizabeth
     died in 1847/48 in KY. (I have copies of both of their wills recorded in KY)
     Noah died in 1843 and Solomon in 1842...this must be the former and latter?

     I would like to know what source is used to determine this family as being
     from Ireland?  I would really like to know if this Jacob was Irish.

     First off, if Jacob married to Elizabeth was born in Ireland then he is in
     no way connected to Jacob Coil Sr., of VA.  Jacob Coil Sr., was in VA by
     1750 at the very latest.  Jacob of KY was born in 1768....18 years after
     Jacob Sr was a resident in Augusta Co., VA.  If Jacob of KY was born in
     Ireland then it is absolutely impossible that he belongs to the Jacob son
     of Valentine Coil.

     Jacob Sr. received his land inheritance from his father in 1772.
     1761 - FELTE COIL (VALENTINE GOYLE)  made his first known land purchase in
     Pendleton Co., VA. from James and Sarah Trimble for 16 pounds sterling.  It
     consisted of two tracts 230 acres on the South Branch of the Potomac River
     above Front Rock (Trout?): 1st containing 100 acres; 2nd containing 130
     acres adjoining. Deed was dated Nov. 17, 1761  (on Oct. 7, 1772 it was
     delivered to son Jacob Coil).

     1774- Page 243.--16th May, 1774. George ( ) Goile and Hannah ( ) to
     Jacob Goile, 131 acres on north side of South Branch of Potowmack,
     patented to George, 14th July, 1769. Teste: Thomas Jones  (Chalkleys
     Chronicals Vol 3 page 538)

     Source for placing Jacob Sr., in VA at least by 1758 is the following:

     1758 - RANGERS under Capt. Patrick Martin, dated March 1758; List includes
     Gabriel, Jacob and George Coil. These boys were very young and had been
     signed to Ranger Duty by their father, Felte Coil (Chalkeys Vol. I, page 469).
     At an earlier date possibly in or about 1758, (according to Morton's
     History of Pendelton Co., VA., page 54), before the Kiles  had left Rockingham
     County, George and Jacob Coil were taken prisoner by the Indians.
     During their captivity, Jacob being very strong, was made to carry heavy
     burdens.  Escape was ever present in their minds.  One night Jacob managed
     to gnaw through the rope that held him. He then released his brother and
     the two put distance between their captors and themselves. They reached
     Roaring Plains, in their long journey home, enduring hunger and exhaustion.
     Here, George, utterly unable to proceed further, laid down, concealing himself
     in some brush with the aid of Jacob, for if the Indians were to find him it
     would mean his certain death. Jacob continued on to the Blockhouse at the
     mouth of the Seneca River.  Because of his Indian costume, the blockhouse
     sentry nearly firing on him.  A relief party was sent out and the exhausted
     brother was soon brought in.  The brothers fully recovered from their ordeal
     in captivity.  During these times, the Seneca Blockhouse was used as a rallying
     point.  The towering cliffs nearby served as a lookout point.

     As you can see Bill, I have worked very hard on the early part of the COIL
     family.  I have identified all the sons of Valentine and they were firmly
     placed in VA by 1758, and I suspect them there several years before this
     date.  I have documented the family units of all of these sons, with the
     exception of Martin Coil.

     I do not have anything that "proves" Jacob of KY to Jacob Jr., however this
     does not mean he WASN'T the son of Jacob Sr.....just that he was not born in
     Ireland. I would jump for joy to find one scrap of proof to confirm Jacob of
     KY to Jacob of VA.  I can not find this proof in VA.

     I am highly suspect that Jacob of Jacob was married before he married
     Elizabeth in KY, if he is the same male.  But, what I don't understand is
     why George Sr., had Jacob of Jacob as a legatee to his estate IF Jacob of
     Jacob was living in Bourbon Co., in 1812.  What sense does this serve?

     I welcome discussion with any Jacob of KY researcher that can help me place
     him in correct line.  I feel very strong that Jacob of KY, IS the son of
     Jacob Sr., but I need to work with some one that has seriously looked at
     this Jacob and is familiar with him in VA before he shows up in KY.

     One of the most proving documents to substantiate Jacob of KY to Jacob of VA
     is alluding us.  There is a record in Pendleton where the deposition of
     Ulrich Coil is requested by the Chancery Court records to be taken in
     Bourbon Co., KY (Pendleton County Court Book 1795-1802).  Now, if we can
     just find this record and see what/where this took place then I think we
     have a very good chance of proving Jacob of KY IS the son of Jacob of
     KY....Ulrich is brother to Jacob.

     Any help or guide lines will be greatly appreciated.  It is not my intention
     to intimidate anyone or to disprove them from accepting Jacob of KY as the
     son of Jacob of VA, it is my intention to prove he IS the son of Jacob of VA.

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