Help!!! Can anyone identify the ancestry of these Messinger families from Madison Co., New York?
1. Descendants of Osbert E. Messenger
Generation No. 1
1. OSBERT E.1 MESSENGER was born 1822,
of Messenger's Bay, Madison Co., New York1,
and died 1884. He married SARAH G. HUYCK June 1850 in Madison Co.,
New York2.
Oyster suppers were common at The Messenger House
in Osbert's proprietorship along with holiday parties and dances.
He expanded the hotel in the 1870's by adding the Lewis Point resort.
The Madison County Times of July 23, 1876 said "The present proprietor,
O. E. Messeger..............doing everything in his power to make it pleasant
for his guests and, what is quite important in these times makes light
charges. Mr. Messenger has built a convenient little cottage (Rural
Retreat) on the point and, having fishing tackle and good boats, can supply
the most fastidious with everthing needful. Those wishing to spend
a few days rusticating cannot do better than to go to a Rural Retreat at
Lewis Point." (Place Names of Madison County) An avid fisherman,
he served his own fish in the hotel4
Burial: Messenger's Bay Cemetary, Messenger's Bay,
Madison Co., New York3
Grandson of George Messenger4
2. Descendants of George Messenger
Generation No. 1
1. GEORGE1 MESSENGER, of town of Lenox,
Madison Co., New York2.
Messenger House remained in family ownership
until it's closing in 1910. Sons George, E. O. , and grandson Osbert
managed the hotel through the nineteenth century. Place of many parties
and dances, picnics and the like. Most customers were Oneida Lake
sportsmen. Grapevine were brought from Oneida Creek in 1814, poplars
from Massachusetts in 1822. A long quaint looking building with glass
windows opening like doors on a porch supported by ivy covered pillars.
Maple trees bordered the avenue in front and evergreens shaded the rear.
The communities central landmark for many years, it was destroyed by fire
shortly after it's closing. Across the street was a store and post
office. The year round population was about 40 but the summer population
swelled. Several hamlet residents were employed by the hotel
to pick up tourists using horse and buggy at the Canastota railroad station.
(Madison County Place Names) 1814, purchased 144 acres on Oneida
Lake, New York - later called Messenger's Bay5
1816, built hotel at Messenger's Bay, Madison Co.,
N.Y.3 1819, Lenox juror until 18264 1832, on
Coroner's jury4
Is Almen C. his son?
Children of GEORGE MESSENGER are:
i. GEORGE2 MESSENGER, b. Abt. 18228;
d. September 12, 18538. Burial: Messenger's Bay8 1835,
owned 135 acres8 Occupation: managed Messenger House
Hotel9
ii. E. O. MESSENGER. Should this be E.G.
Messinger as in the one below?
How does this information tie together? Thanks Donna
for supplying this deed info
- maybe someone can help figure it out!
3. Descendants of Edwin G. Messinger
Generation No. 1
1. EDWIN G.1 MESSINGER was born Abt.
1809 in Massachusetts1, and died December
21, 1854 in Smithfield, Madison Co., New York2. He
married MARY DORRANCE Bef. 18382, daughter of JOHN DORRANCE
and MARY THOMPSON. July 30, 1834, physicians diploma
filed.3
January 27, 1835, joined Madison
Co. Medical Society3 1840, lived Peterboro, Madison Co.,
N.Y.3 1850, lived Peterboro, Madison Co., New York
- Rebecca Butler age 16 b. N.Y. with them4
Burial: Peterboro
Cemetary, Peterboro, New York2 7 children8
Children of EDWIN MESSINGER and MARY DORRANCE are:
i. EDWIN D.2 MESSINGER, b. February 24,
1838, Madison Co., New York9; d. January
08, 1908, Peterboro, Madison Co., New York10. Burial: Peterboro
Cemetary, Peterboro, New York10 1850, of Peterboro,
Madison Co., New York11
Military Service: Civil War12
Occupation: physican13
2. ii. ANN L. MESSINGER, b. Abt. 1840, Madison
Co., New York, of Smithfield, Madison Co., New York; d. 1923, Illinois.
3. iii. WILLIAM DORRANCE MESSINGER, b. August
01, 1843, Peterboro, Madison Co., N.Y.; d. June 27, 1930, Highland Park,
Illinois.
iv. HANNAH L. MESSINGER, b. Abt. 1851,
Madison Co., New York13; d. March 18,
1885, Chicago, Cook Co., Illinois14; m. ARTHUR T. CULVER.
She and her twin brother were probably named for the 1st lawyer in Peterboro
and his wife, Nehemiah Huntington and Hannah Lathrop, who are buried close
by Edwin G. and Mary.
On her husband's death his body was brought to Peterboro
for burial by her brother Dorrance and his brother John. On arrival
they learned that Hannah had died as well. Her body was accompanied
to Peterboro by her nephew Edwin D. and her brother in law Henry Martindale.
(info provided by a descendant) Burial: Peterboro Cemetary, Peterboro,
New York14
v. NEHEMIAH HUNTINGTON MESSINGER, b.
Abt. 1851, Peterboro, Madison Co., N.Y.17;
d. January 04, 1854, Peterboro, Madison Co., N.Y. Peterboro Cemetary,
Peterboro, New York17
Generation No. 2
2. ANN L.2 MESSINGER (EDWIN G.1) was born Abt. 1840 in Madison Co., New York, of Smithfield, Madison Co., New York18, and died 1923 in Illinois18. She married HENRY MARTINDALE January 01, 1861 in Cazenovia, Madison Co., New York19. HENRY MARTINDALE: Occupation: blacksmith - Peterboro and Chicago19
Child of ANN MESSINGER and HENRY MARTINDALE is:
i. DONALD3 MARTINDALE.
3. WILLIAM DORRANCE2 MESSINGER (EDWIN G.1) was born August 01, 1843 in Peterboro, Madison Co., N.Y.20, and died June 27, 1930 in Highland Park, Illinois21. He married ELLEN JANE MCCLULLOCK June 14, 1870 in Chicago, Cook Co., Illinois21. Military Service: Civil War21
Children of WILLIAM MESSINGER and ELLEN MCCLULLOCK
are:
i. MESSINGER3.
ii. EDWIN D. MESSINGER, b. of Chicago,
Cook Co., Illinois21. Occupation: 1928,
Superintendent of public schools in Chicago21
iii. RALPH MESSINGER.
iv. HELEN LOUISE MESSINGER.
The above family (the first Edwin D who appears to be son of the George Messinger above), lived next door to the James S. Messinger family in Peterboro yet I have not found a connection between the two families as yet. Both families had a history of physicians and descendants in Chicago. Can anyone help?
There were also several Messingers in Deruyter,
Madison Co., New York.
What is their connection to those in Peterboro
and Messingers Bay?
Mr. James H. Messenger
Stillwater NY
My dear Sir -
Yours addressed to me at Chautauqua reached me here
today-
There were two different families of Messinger and
Messengers - living in Peterboro NY when my father was a boy. Our family
never changed the e to an i as you state.
I have the genealogy and it was compiled by the Boston
branch of the family and all the names spell the name with an i.
You were misinformed where any one told you that my
grandfather and great uncle changed it - they certainly never did. Our
Great grandfather who died in the early part of the 19th century has it
spelled with an i on his tombstone.
You will find two copies of the genealogy in the library
of the Educational Bldg in Albany - the body of each is practically the
same and the name is spelled with an i in both.
We are descended from Sir Henry Messinger who settled
in Boston prior to 1640. One of the family has a portrait in Fanueil Hall
Boston.
The sons of the family I spoke of as living in Peterboro
when to Chi (?) and manufactured paper bags when I was a girl and my father
who was a miller bought of them - they sometime after that changed the
spelling to the same way I spell it.
There are two Rev. Messengers in the Christian Ch.
One a missionary on the foreign field. They came from Ohio and there are
still people in Ohio - but I can't name the towns who spell the name with
an e.
I do not find the name Brousou in my copy of the genealogy
- I do not think that the e family is at all related to the i family. There
is also an e family in Baraboo Wisc.
The Messinger genealogy is very incomplete after 1850
but it seems to have the family pretty well recorded to that time.
Who is this?
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