1 Geoffrey Skull of Grittenham made his will in 1616 and died in 1619. Amongst other bequests were those to his daughter Agnes Vynes and her husband Thomas Vynes. In the Family Search (LDS) IGI index Geoffrey was shown as born about 1565, married Margery in 1588, and Agnes was born about 1600. The marriage of Agnes and Thomas was given as about 1623, 7 years after the will was written, though the will stated that Thomas was his "kinsman" and named his "daughter Agnes Vynes". This is typical of the inexactitudes of this resource, at least in the 1600s and 1700s.
2 The wills of John and Christian Vines of Grittenham and their son Benjamin and wife Elizabeth provide solid evidence for the names of their children (see TREE) and the BDM data for them in the IGI index seems believable. Benjamin was born in 1689, so it is estimated that his father, John was born between 1660 and 1670.
3 As the Vines and Skull
wills all mention Grittenham, it is evident that John was at least from
the same family as Thomas Vynes, though there may have been another generation
between them. There is circumstantial evidence that Vines
House at Grittenham was built in 1606.
4 I (Fred R Vines) am descended
from John through Benjamin 1689, Edward 1725, David 1760, Joshua 1795 (who
migrated to Australia in 1855), Caleb 1840, Fred L 1872 and Fred M 1900.
My DNA has been determined and matches with that of Ron, who traces his
line from William 1773 at Highworth close to Swindon, Michael 1816 (who
migrated to Australia 1854), Thomas 1836, Alfred 1860, and Herbert 1901.
5 I had a further test to determine the haplogroup for the Wilts1 haplotype. This is Haplogroup N, which is commonest in Northern Asia and Europe: Mongolia, Northern Siberia, Northern Russia, and Finland. See the FTDNA Haplogroup . Most N matches seem to be with Native Siberians, with others in Northern Russia (eg. Komi near Archangel) and Finland.
6 Arthur Vine and Frank Spencer Vine suspected they were descended from Charles Vine who was born at Trowbridge Wilts. in 1789 and joined the English Marines at 17 in 1806 as the Napoleonic Wars commenced. Their DNA tests matched each other and confirmed their thoughts of having a common ancestor. Despite the difference of spelling to the Vines surname their DNA also matched exactly with Fred and Ron. The relationship link has not yet been established by BDM documentation. The IGI index shows that quite a lot of Vine families lived in the Trowbridge area, perhaps involved in the textile industry there, so further tests from that region should be interesting.
7 The testing company FTDNA
of Houston Texas, informed us that from their database Samuel Leland Mingia
of North Carolina had matched exactly with Fred, Ron, Arthur and Frank,
but that matches with persons of unlike surname could be coincidental.
However a study of the US census for 1880 showed both Vines and Mingias/Mingas
in several close counties of NC, and of both European and African origins.
8 In regard to evidence of
where Vines immigrants to America came from, the following is from the
10 Tim Vines of Louisiana
had a 12 marker test but didn't match to any of our other tests. We can't
declare his result as a distinct haplotype without the full 25 marker result,
but he has proved to be from a different line. He may have come by the
Vines name in a similar manner to Joe.