Another very informative set of files on the early Dehavens by Don Shockey and Joe Patterson is at the USGENWEB archives at ROOTSWEB for Pennsylvania; Montgomery and Philadelphia Counties; biography: Montgomery County PA biography Philadelphia County PA biography These are the seal of Evert and his son Peter Dehaven, and the mark of Jesse Dehaven and is illiterate wife's rendition of it. Evert and Peter Dehaven's seal Right center image appears to be letter A, possibly H. Came out better in second image I scanned from. Jesse's and his wife's marks. Does anyone recognize them, is anyone able to make sense of or read them, and does anyone know how to pin down Evert's German-French or Walloon Huguenot seal? The Dehavens have preserved the story of an ancestral loan by Jacob Dehaven to the Revolutionary War effort, never repaid by the repeatedly bankrupt new government, and a legend of three brothers, Jacob, Peter and Samuel, who came from France before the REvolution, having gotten wealthy variously as grape growers and wine merchants. Amazingly, it seems most Dehaven descendants know the tale, as it was passed down their families. Thousands of people were financially ruined one way or another by the Revolution, and inability of the new government to repay war loans accounted for alot of it. Only Dehavens remember that this affected their family. What is more, Dehavens as a group have not stopped trying to collect on that loan yet. Ever since the early l9th century Dehavens ahve repeatedly organized and made efforts to lobby Congress or sue to recover the $425,000 or so debt. Since Jacob Dehaven had no direct descendants, all of his collateral descendants, I'm not sure if descendants of his father Peter I or all Dehavens, both groups now number in the thousands, who cared to collect would split this amount if it were ever recovered. The latest such effort was around l990. My fourth cousin, Thelma Lunaas of Texas, with whom I share descent from Jesse Dehaven of London Britain, PA, son of Samuel (II) Dehaven of Horsham and Whitpain, Montgomery County, filed a lawsuit in Federal Claims Court and appealed it to the U.S. Supreme Court from the U.S. Court of Appeals in l992. (It lost.) See front page article on the lawsuit, Sunday New York Times, 5/27/90. Mrs. Lunaas explained that she had promised her father on his death bed that she would recover the family honor. Many other\ Dehavens added that it wasn't the money, as Charles Dehaven, a Texas Baptist minister, put it, "my father said one day... people will know what this family WAS." One can see it can't reasonably be about the money, both because the amount per person recovered would be a few dollars, and because it stands little chance. The lawyer, fresh out of law school, took the case for a percentage of anything recovered. They had material help from the Dehaven Club, which provided genealogical and historical research. The Dehaven Club publishes all of its financial statements, charges $10 annually in dues, and has a low budget, no more than $500 per year goes to this attorney for any reason, usually for "research". OK, so I'm trying to trace a family history of mental illness? Particularly given that a particularly intense temperament with multiple symptoms of general anxiety disorder and various sorts of personal and family dysfunction came down two lines of descent from William Smith and Mary Dehaven, where would one think I would start? The true Dehaven story is far better than the family legend about vineyards and brothers from France, and goes far to explain much about Dehavens. The first generations of Dehavens in this country confused each other and nearly lost the trail of their history by interchangeably using a dozen or more radically different versions of their name. We aren't talking about names that match up on the Soundex, like the confusion in one of my lines by John Burkhart Dehart apparently named for his mother whose family couldn't make up their minds if their name was Borgert or Borkert, but VERY different versions of their name. Examples; Inderhoff. Ten Heuven. Imhoff. DeHoven. DeHaven. Ten Heaven"!" Inderhoeven. Hoven. This is how come the vague and incorrect tale about three brothers from France where there were vineyards. The only elements of truth is that the Dehavens were from France, albeit in ancient history, and they may have been merchants. There is some evidence that the Dehavens in this country were merchants among other things; Peter Dehaven is listed in Philadelphia as a merchant, and a Dehaven merchant ship was sunk by the British near Britain and France, with a Dehaven family member on board. Clearly the Dehavens were involved as merchants, and there is no reason to think their business wasn't legitimate, but they preserved no record of it as if they didn't want this part of their story known! I can't see what was the reason for such variation in their name unless it was to deliberately make themselves hard to find or trace. Some of them also kept bags of money hidden in their homes. There is no evidence that they were involved in criminal activity that would explain it. Further, about half of them fail to turn up in the first censuses - which confused people trying to trace them. That made no sense to a local historical society archivist until I told him I am trying to trace family mental illness. They seemed a constitutionally pathologically anxious group. This behavior would make sense inlight of their history as religious refugees if it were confined to the first two generations in this country, but this was Peter's grandchildren, the third generation, at the time of the American Revolution, a century after they got here. Peter was either not born yet or a small child when his parents came to this country. These people were behaving as if they were somehow pre-programmed to think someone was going to come for them in the middle of the night, or thatthey might have to flee some danger with no notice. In other words, to think like my father; that they live in a scary, dangerous world and must hide. Such behavior makes sense however if considered from the perspective of current knowledge and theory of the genetics of anxious temperament and anxiety disorders, and in light of the Dehavens' actual history. They and most of the people they initially married in this country went through a several hundred year long period in which any genetic tendency to conceal themselves would have saved their lives. Their story came to light when the German nobleman husband of a Dehaven, whose father had been ambassador to Switzerland, came to Pennsylvania to settle her estate. He didn't share whatever the family problem with concealing their name was, and he straightforwardly told the entire family story with all aliases to a local justice of the peace, and wrote out a complete genealogical history of the family to that time, which was 1894. This chart was published and later expanded on, and readily available from genealogical sources and from Dehaven family clubs. By that time the strangely recontructed Dehaven family histories were legion. The Dehavens actually are all descended from Evert Inder- hoffen, who came from Muelheim, Germany, around 1690, and was one of the first settlers of Germantown, Philadelphia. He married Elizabeth Schippbauer inMay 21, 1675 in the Reformed Church, Mulheim. (Schippbauer means shipbuilder; Muelheim at the junction of the Ruhr and Rhine Rivers is an inland deep water port and a site of much shipbuilding.) Most known Dehavens are descended from his son Peter, who married the daughter of an Anglo-Dutch couple also immediately from Muelheim. Noone knows where the tale about vineyards came from. I find attri- buting it to the myth-history (very oversimplified) of the pre-Reformation radical religious sect the Dehavens belonged to when they really did leave France before 1500, as good a guess as any. Others, pointing to the fact that the name is Germanic, and also that there are vineyards in the regions that changed hands between Germany and France, think they may have come from that area. Maybe it was part of the story of some other family the Dehavens crossed with in marriage on their journey. The "brothers from France" were sons of Peter's, and grandsons of Evert. There was a false French ancestery tale about the Leverings, too. I think that alot of people simply don't want to admit that their ancestors were German. My DEHART ancestors, also German and Dutch, who settled in Brooklyn in the 1650's, ALSO have more legends about three brothers from France, complete with the Revolutionary War and the Marquis de Lafayette. Efforts to trace the pre-Pennsylvania history of the family have yielded the following. The Dehavens were members of a pre-Reformation radical Protestant religious sect, called Waldensians, and were driven from France in the 1400's. You've got that - pre-Reformation, 1400's, radical Protestants. Their beliefs were consistent with those of the most radical Protestant sects after the Reformation. The Dehavens were emotionally unusual people to begin with. The Waldensians spent the next several centuries being driven around Europe in circles and burned at the stake whenver they came up for air or tried to settle down. Peter Dehaven's Dehaven family seal provides a vague sort of clue to what and who the Dehavens were; they were probably an established and well-off, but not aristocratic family. Countess Ada Von Hardenburg, daughter of teh Count Von Alt, said when she saw the seal that this is something that in her country (Germany) nobility, or established families, atleast, ahd, and they were very old, the family must date from the l2th or l3th century. I don't know to what extent that is true. In reality, in late medieval and Renaiisance times, and into the Enlightenment, anyone who conducted any sort of financial or other important business used a seal. That did not include peasants, poor laborers, or paupers; seals were used by prosperous, middle class and aristocratic, families. I don't know if any given seal must date from the l2th or l3th century. It is possible that something about the design on the seal that the countess recognized inspired that statement. I do know that everyone in Germantown signed documents with seals like that. That ws a select group of people; mostly craftsmen from a small section of Germany near the Dutch border that included Muelheim. But one can see tht in the late feudal society in which the Dehavens whoever they were had thrived, it would have paid to have a somewhat feudal temperament, a la Spock's World. To the sort of people that the Dehavens were, their established, prosperous, respected family position may have been everything, and a very basic part of their concept of honor. According to Jehu Dehaven in a l9th century article on Dehavens turned up by a Dehaven researcher in a book or encyclopedia in the Carnegie Library in Pittsburg, PA, (my efforts to pin that down have not so far proven successful), the Dehavens went to Walloon Belgium, which was an area in which there was RELATIVE religious tolerance, to which religious refugees were particular- ly likely to flee in that time, especially from France. He wrote that they specifically spent time in Flanders. (Dehaven Club Newsletter, Fall 1994) The only other fact I have yet found that supports Jehu Dehaven's report is that the name Dehaven is common in Walloon Belgium. (It is a form of a common German name common all over Germany and the German regions of France, and I'm told also in Normandy. The name is hove, hoven or hoff, and means farm, manor, and also the sort of urban manor, or house on a walled lot, that minor aristocratic and well-off families typically built in the cities that were built by the Franks, whose territory covered the entire region where this name is common.) I have no evidence the Dehaven family didn't originate in Walloon Belgium, but if they are there they are very likely to have been religious refugees from somewhere else, especially France. I DID establish that most of the initial settlers of GErmantown EXCEPT Evert Dehaven and Wigard LEvering WERE Waldensians who came through Flanders. Most of the initial settlers of Germantown in reality belonged to a closely interrelated group, that is, they had intermarried for several generations before coming to German- town, who were weavers, and a mixture of Mennonites and Quakers who shifted back and forth, with strong Anabaptist heritage and sentiment. There were Waldensian communities around Flanders. They were weavers. Groups of Waldensian weavers moved from Flanders to HOlland. They evolved into Anabaptists, and from thence into Mennonites, and an assortment of Baptist groups. One of these families, OpDenGraef, contained an important Mennonite leader and a Mennonite bishop, two generations before the move to PA. (Joe, Dehaven list). They also fed into and merged with the Swiss and Dutch/ German Reformed movement. (Remember that.) Muelheim was just over the German border form HOlland; many radical Protestants of one sort and another moved across the border; Levering, a pietist, was one of them. The group who went to GErmantown were mainly weavers; that is most of what the initial settlers of Germantown did (they couldn't properly farm), and Mennonite with an Anabaptist heritage. And the Dehavens mostly married members of this group for three generations, the exceptions beging Wigard Levering and the members of the colongy of New Sweden, who were actually temperamentally and genetically representative of the population at large. Even William's wife Hannah Cramber was probably of that group. So they mostly married into a genetically homogenous group. Get the significance of this - they married with a group of clones of themselves. They didn't all QUITE carry the same clone genes. THey had a variety of genes with similar effects on temperament. As they married each other, they collected genes. Our line of Dehavens were just over the German border in Muelheim, Germany, by the 1550's, when family researchers first see their name turn up there. Dehaven researchers, including Baron Von Alt and James Dehaven, find in Muelheim City ARchives that a Wilhelm in den Hoven lived in Menden, a suburb of Muelheim, in 1556, and that Wilhelm In den Hoven m Grete Aufon Kampfe in Muelheim in 1626. They were using the name Dehaven as well as Inderhoffen, etc. Since the Reformation began in the 1520's, the fact that they migrated to Muelheim in that time rather suggests that their migration began before the Refor- mation. People in Walloon Belgium before the Reformation are very likely to have been Waldensians from France. Also supporting this story is that it isn't the sort of tale Dorothy Bertine is likely to have made up. It also appeared in a club newsletter, which tells me neither she nor the other older members of the group have their details mixed up, which I have seen happen in quite dramatic ways! But in the meantime a book called something like The Book of Martyrs contains a copper engraving of a young woman named Dehaven being buried alive in Walloon Belgium for being an Anabaptist. One way to see this is that the Dehavens seem to have just been in whatever radical religious groups were around! However, in the history of the l9th and 20th century Primitive (Welsh and Old School) Baptists, which the Jesse Dehaven daughter who links to Bonnie Bunce joined, I found evidence of historical links between the Waldensians, the Anabaptists - and the Primitive Baptists. Here is the elderly-Dehaven version of this tale. It includes elements of another tale about the sinking of a Dehaven merchant ship, which happened to have a Dehaven - an adult man - on it at the time, by the British. "And you know, a Dehaven girl was a martyr! Those evil British (the ones the Revolutionary War era Dehavens with absolute and ferocious patriotism helped fight off) sank a Dehaven ship off the coast of France. And the Dehaven girl was on it. Then they TOOK HER TO FRANCE and buried her alive! This Dehaven was elderly, but his temperament makes that of a British aristocrat look rather tame! You know, like in how they haven't dropped it yet about Americans being uncouth colonists. I read a recent book about someone's experiences as a Yankee at first a British "prep" (upper class primary school) and then Eton in the l970's. "This is our new friend from the colonies". The simple existence of that Dehaven merchant ship off the coasts of France and Britain is the only solid evidence I have ever seen that the Dehavens were merchants. Maybe this tale is the one aspect of the whole business the family didn't conceal! The Dehavens would have married other members of radical Protes- tant sects among whom they moved and with whom they associated. Peter Dehaven, the son of the emigrant Dehaven I am descended from, married the daughter of a German Pietist family, who were cousins of one of the wealthy pietist circle who founded Germantown, and both of these families came to Germantown from Muelheim in its first years. The German Pietists were in doctrine very similar to the Quakers, and in worship and practice there were similarities, but they were more evangelical. They were very mystical and believed that people could know about God intuitively and not primarily from the Bible. That got them on the outs with the established moderate Protestant churches of their countries, especially with the straight-laced, established, German Lutheran Church, which was the official church of Germany. The severely Calvinistic and rather evangelistic German/ Dutch Reformed Church had trouble with the Lutheran established church, too. Wigod Levering came as a poor laborer from Muelheim, though family connections to the wealthy Frankfurt Company help to account for why and probably how he came. He quickly bought 500 acres if land from the Frankfurt Company on credit. I think but am not sure he also owed them for his and his family's passage. He refused to pay. When they sued him, he hired EVERY lawyer accessible - I couldn't find the tale again in the Levering genealogy where I know I found it, but our rootsweb Dehaven researchers say it was all four lawyers in Philadelphia County, which in those days was basically the state of Pennsylvania - much to the dismay of his opponents, and won his case. Levering's nervous failure to leave ANYTHING to chance as well as his supreme obstinacy leave one wondering whether all of the notoriously obstinate as well as nervous DeHaven temperament came from the Dehavens! There is ample evidence in these lines of genes converging from repeated marriages between families of similar temperament. He reminds me of me successfully standing off ghetto punks who repeatedly firebombed the house where I lived last summer, and of how I handled the violent certified psychotic who moved into the rooming house where I lived then. My father really wouldn't have stood for the legal and political nonsense I success- fully negotiated; he would have been in the window with a shot- gun. Characteristic Dehaven impatience, short fuse and capacity to get extremely angry also have their uses. My father saved his family's lives a couple of times with his guns. Like the time we were travelling on vacation, and punks attacked our trailer. Me - I'm terrified of guns, as I am of violence, as I experienced too much of it from my father! It is important to realize that these genes have their up side AND their down side. So my strategies have never included guns. Give me something deadly enough in the hands of someone as characteristically angry and determined as I am - like a set of keys. I'm one of the few people I've ever encountered who could actually kill someone with a set of keys. A descendent of Harmond Dehaven, another son of Evert and Peter (I)'s brother, told me she thought the extremely intense and obstinate temperament that runs in HER family came from the father of the Op den Graef he married! Apparently the Op den Graff's were another case. The Op den Graef's were also part of that closely interrelated group. The Dehavens were devout German Reformed when they came to Germantown. Evert and Elizabeth married in the Reform Church - in "Evangelical Parish", Muelheim. They belonged to a succes- sion of German and Dutch Reformed churches where they settled in Philadelphia. According to the Levering family genealogy, Evert was a Ruling Elder - and not a casual attendee - at Skippack Reformed Church in 1698. According to an article in the Summer 1996 Dehaven Club newsletter, Skippack Reformed Church was founded in the house of Evert's son Harmon in his house in the Mennonite settlement not built until 1702-1706, "and Rev. Phillip Boehm came on circuit to hold services." But a historical note in the August l990 Dehaven Club newsletter aragues that "until they could afiliate with their own group they affiliated with the Low Dtch Reformed inWhitmarsh Twp, and pastored by the Rev Paulus Van Vlecq, and Evert was an elder there in 1710." Soon after that, Philip Boehm led a Reformed Congregation at Blue Bell, in Whitpain TWP, using the Heidelberg Catechism, "the form preferred by the Dehavens" and Evert and Peter at least transferred to his church. Interestingly, Boem got into trouble because he wasn't an ordained minister (he was a schoolteacher). Don Shockey also writes that Evert actually helped organize a number of Reformed churches in the area. Then, Peter Evert's son was an elder at Boehm Church. The German Reformed Church was the most radical and strict of the mainstream Calvinist sects. Both in Europe and in the U.S. it had its roots in and was closely tied with the Dutch Reformed Church. The Heidelberg Catechism was the mildest of its main theological statements of doctrine. It was written by or under the direction of one of the kings of Prussia who hoped to unify the German Protestant sects. The document tries to water down the more radical and theologically problematic doctrines of the German Reformed Church to make them palatable to Lutherans and others. Unfortunately it is not possible to water down such doctrines as predestination and the concept it is logically necessary and sufficient to support, that of the Elect, such that they are no longer the doctrines they are. Other documents of the German REformed Church are far more explicit and more radical on these doctrines. Indeed, they are the most radical and explicit statements of these doctrines I have ever seen. I don't know exactly how Dehavens came to be noted for their attachment to the Heidelberg Catechism; whether it means that the Dehavens were relatively tame for German Reformed or that they were German Reformed in religious orienta- tion in a Presbyterian world. Here is basic predestination, from the documents of the Christian Reformed Church of North America: God knows everything; therefore he has always known everything that would happen from the beginning of time. This means that at the beginning of time he knew, and therefore decided, who for all eternity would go to heaven, and who to hell. People who God decided at the beginning of time would be saved do not differ in any way from the damned. Further, people can do nothing to save themselves, since they are corrupted and evil as the result of original sin. BEcause man are corrupt and evil as the result of original sin, noone has any right to complain abaout their lot. Because God is all-good, all-just, and all-merciful, he chose (seemingly at random) some people out of all those who exist to be saved and to go to heaven, not because of what those people deserved, what they did, or any attributes of those people, but simply because it pleased God to do so! The Calvinist God makes Satan seem benign! The historical documents that define Reformed theology can be found at www.crcna.org/creeds/index.html Some history of them is included, too. THey include the Belgic Confession, the Canons of Dort, and the Heidelberg Catechism, and the Athanuasian Creed (held to be heretical by most branches of Christianity - along with the doctrine of predestination). Such a doctrine HAS to say something about the mental health of the people who came up with it and those who could be attracted to a church that taught it. It both came from and contributed to massive mental health problems. Someone with depression, general anxiety disorder or clinical obsessive compulsive disorder is likely to be inclined to worry about pinning down the fine theological points that these people worried about. Some, like Martin Luther, are known to have had classic obsessive compulsive disorder. Martin Luther was plagued by uncontrollable blasphemous thoughts, and sought to confess multiple times a day as a monk. John Calvin waas a ruminator, and he realized it. He discussed at length the problems his temperament posed for faith and spiritual development. Of the several strands of religious thought that prevailed in his time, he is recognized to have chosen the dark one. All three of these problems run in my family and I have them, and I know them well. THese trends of thought in the Reformation are part of how the genes for these mental disorders got concentrated in the lines of my ancestors. Then they all got driven to Pennsylvania and Massachusetts, where there were mostly only other people just like them around to marry. And the worst of them quickly formed into a new governing and economically dominant middle class. Then I think that the fact that they became the Old Middle Class perpetuated the endless pattern of only marrying descendants of these two original groups of people. Like, my father left south-eastern Pennsylvania, and my mother's people left Massachusetts, and then the engineer's daughter married the Anglican minister in Glens Falls, New York, and that was exactly the sort of marriage she had been raised and expected to make! LIke so many of my ancestors before me, I have all my life been unable to think that I was good or that things I did or planned to do were good enough, I went through a several year bout of doing little ritual dances 20 hours a day to undue "evil" thoughts I couldn't control that I thought were going to send me to hell, as well as constantly sticking out my tongue to make sure I wasn't swallowing it and asking repeated questions abaout every bite of food to make sure it wasn't contaminated, and I went through a bout of clinical mental illness that was never diagnosed or treated as an adolescent durding which I covered my windows to keep out the demons that I thought were trying to get in, had physical symptoms of anxiety and hyperventilated constantly and thought I was variously dying or possessed by the Devil, was acutely depressed with guilt over sexual feelings and thoughts I just couldn't firmly conclude weren't sin even though I intellectually knew that the fundamentalists were full of shit (inability to conclude that one is safe when one knows one is is the fundamental mental glitch of obsessive compulsive disorder) and was nearly as anxious over general belief that I must be going to hell as I didn't just "know in my HEART that I am saved"! My father, generally a perfectly sane Episcopalian, who made the world's vaguest attempts to explain sane Episcopal theology on such matters to me, had gotten caught up in the Evangelical movement, and for a few years in the early l970's, we were just surrounded with it, everywhere. An evangelical nut who taught high-school English and got involved in my church was no help. Most of these uncontrolled thoughts, tics and glitches in my ability to think straight on certain kinds of issues still trouble me a bit, but I now know that I simply have a part of my primitive emotional brain that malfunctions and am not really going to hell, and because obsessive compulsive disorder is a very limited brain disorder in scope it is often pretty easy to cope with once you know you have it. Many evangelically oriented people weren't actually that troubled by predestination and its logical implications for how and what one thinks because they simply paid little attention to it or managed to handle it in a psychologically constructive way - well, I believed that I am saved! People who have made that decision tell me that they just decided to believe that! No logic to it! But predestination was one of the central theological issues of the Reformation; back then everyone was aware of it and thought about it ALOT. In fact, the entire born-again movement to this day subscribes to predestination! THat is why it is so important for those people to "KNOW in my HEART that I am saved!" The Evangelical movement came out of the Southern Baptist Church, and from some splinter and old extreme Baptist splinter groups, like the Primitive Baptist Church, which in fact operates several of the more popular religious programs on radio and TV. Billy Graham himself came from, and is still a member in good standing of, the Southern Baptist Church. And the Southern Baptist Church, like all modern evangelical churches, teaches predestination. My father said to me, being saved is a matter of faith. But I constantly heard Evangelicals preaching and saying that whether you are saved is something you OBJECTIVELY "just" KNOW in your heart - if, that is, you are saved. If you don't know that, than you don't have Christ in your heart, and you aren't saved. Faith, they insisted, is something you have if you ARE saved. I understood them correctly, and my father, who found their intense style emotionally appealing and never looked at them very hard, incorrectly read his own theology into what they were saying. In fact, in spite of he must have studied the history of these denominations in Seminary, he may not have known that Billy Graham was Southern Baptist, I hardly knew what a Baptist was and there was nothing in the media at the time particularly about Southern Baptists, and he probably would have been SHOCKED to realize predestination underlay this stuff - if he even cared, since his religious preference to him was a matter of emotional choice. He was able to make sensible decisions about what to think for himself, but not to tell me what I needed to know to be able to. This line of thought comes directly from and is founded on Evangelicals' belief in Predestination and the Elect. Whether one is saved is an objective fact one knows, if one is saved, and faith is something God gives to the people he has chosen to be among the elect. In fact, basic to the doctrine of Election is the notion that Man plays little or no role in his own salvation; faith is not a choice he makes. It is a gift from God, a product of Grace. The only choice the Elect make is to follow Jesus. This requires that someone TEACH them about Jesus, etc. Little about predestination is quite logical. Hence, both knowledge of one's salvation AND faith are characteristics that people just have if they are really saved. That isn't my father's theology; the Episcopal Church denounces Predestination as a "particularly dangerous heresy". I was never taught what predestination MEANS; I could recite the passage from the Episcopal catechism about it, but my father, who was of course my church school teacher, dealt with ideas he considered evil by refusing to talk about or teach about them. I thought this was another evil thought one musn't think, whatever it was, like the Arian heresy that St Francis repitively played around in snow to keep from having this evil thought just take control of his mind, saying the Lord's name backwards, etc. All my father had to do was clearly explain this stuff to me. ALL of his ancestors would have instinctively appreciated my need to think this matter through, and would have explained it completely to me in a minute. But my father wasn't real big on intellect or logical and analytical reasoning, and clear explanations. In fact, my entire family constantly mocked me for insisting on thinking in this way about things. In fact, my father's telling me to have faith had little credibility with me, because he AND my mother ALWAYS said that to support the most superstitous and ignorant, usually traditional or folk, notions that you can imagine or ever heard of. My father telling me to have faith inadvertently supported in my mind what I was hearing from the fundamentalists, because my father NEVER, in my experience, said to take something on faith unless the matter was in fact objectively or logically knowable. Further, if I argued with him, I often got thrown around the room until I pretended to repent of my evil thinking and suddenly become convinced that he was right in order to avoid being seriously hurt or killed by a man violently out of control. Actually, my father acted this way in the sort of panic he was capable of over the notion that "evil" ideas, the dangerous scary world, etc. was moving in on his tightly controlled and protected family. And, highly intelligent and very well educated, he pretended to an intellectual orientation while actually he had a very emotional style of thinking and of knowing things. I not unreasonably THOUGHT that my father didn't KNOW as much as the average neanderthal! In fact, my parents really destroyed the whole concept of faith forever for me. If my father had said unequivocally that thinking one is saved is one of the emotional decisions that emotionally healthy people make in order to stay that way, THAT is something I would have understood. This movement came from the Southern Baptist Church; the Southern Baptist Church teaches predestination. But predestination was one of the central issues of the Reformation; people were certainly paying attention to it then! And what sort of people would have been worried enough about the whole issue of salvation and inclined enough to think in dark and scary directions to come up with it? Noone taught me about it, or that this thinking underlies the necessity of believing in one's heart that one objectively knows one is saved that troubled me so greatly. Evangelical preachers themselves never publically preached about predestination or the Elect. Discussions about the subject appear in their own church school and educational material, in a Southern Baptist youth home teaching magazine, for example, but not in material intended for public consumption. I think that only Jehovah's Witnesses are forthright about their belief in Predestination. The Born-Again movement is power oriented; whehter it believes it can massively save men's souls or not, that issue having been decided at the beginning of time and not favorably for the human race, it depends for its efforts at social control on convincing people to buy into it. Noone would see any point in being a born-again Christian! Weber's early sociological work on the Protestant ethic and the development of Capitalism demonstrated that the fantastic emotional pressure people felt to produce objective signs of being in a state of grace and in favor with God drove the Industrial Revolution and the development of Capitalism. The doctrine of predestination was also the central driving factor in the hysteria that swept Massachusetts and culminated in the Salem Witch trials. The Puritans were also a Calvinistic sect. THey believed that the communion of the godly should be reserved for the Elect, or those in a State of Grace, and required people to demonstrate that they were in a state of grace to be admitted to Holy Communion. As one would logically expect, the Puritans suffered from religious scrupulosity, one of the basic forms of obsessive compulsive disorder, and all over Massa- chusetts the most devout members of the congregations were refusing to come to Holy Communion because they could not convince themselves that they were in a state of grace! This was the adults. The teenagers and children were working themselves into acute anxiety attacks over the notion that they were possessed by Satan. My mother's people were New England Puritans, and her anxiety disorder comes in part from a line that comes from 1690's Salem. Interestingly, in a television special on modern Salem, several people cited physical symptoms of general anxiety disorder as evidence that they were under the effect of curses the witches put on their ancestors! There are strong parallels between Calvinist/ German Reformed history and Dehaven family history. A very large portion of what was left of the Waldensian movement at the time of the Reformation merged with Swiss Calvinists. In fact, the Primitive Baptists, whose doctrine is radically Calvinist Fundamentalist and who adhere to the same historical statements of doctrine as the Reformed Church, and who claim both Waldensian and Anabaptist roots, argue that Calvin himself had Waldensian roots. Calvinism began in Switzerland. The issue of predestination vs free-will was one of the sticking points that Waldensians had with merging with Calvinism, but the Waldensians were trying to upgrade into status as respectable Christians, if of one of the more severe quasi-respected sects around, and they eventually adopted the doctrine of predestination. Swiss Calvinists then played a formative role in the Dutch/German Reformed movement, which developed from teh direction of Holland, and also was carried by Swiss migrating into and through Germany in large numbers. William, grandfather of Jesse and brother to Samuel, Jacob and Peter the notorious "brothers from France", married a woman who appears to have been the daughter of Mennonites; they also were extreme Calvinists in an Anabaptist direction. Jesse Dehaven, the father of Mary and Phoebe, travelled with his family twelve miles, a long ways in a horsedrawn wagon, to wor- ship in the calvinistic Presbyterian Church, as did my Smith ancestors, though other churches were closer to them. In time, two offshoot Presbyterian churches were built that were closer to them. Over time, the people in these churches drifted toward Methodism, which was evangelical and very conservative at the time of its origin, and those churches, and my Smith ancestors, became Methodist. But Jesse Dehaven and wife stayed with the New London Presbyterian Church, and are buried there. Moreover, while I don't know what authorization he had yet, he PERFORMED his daughter Phoebe's marriage. This suggests he was very involved in his church! The New London Presbyterian Church says that their records from before 1835 that would verify it were lost in the fire in which they lost most of their records. But their guess is as mine - he must have been an elder or a deacon. He wasn't a minister - complete lists of who they were exist all over teh place. In what begins to look like genetic memory, Jesse Dehaven's daughter Catherine who married James Kennedy, and lived in London Britain, possibly after a stint in northern New Castle County Delaware, was "a prominent member" (from a son's obituary) of teh Welsh Tract Old School Baptist Church, and then belonged to the London Tract primitive or Welsh Baptist church in London Britain. THe Welsh Tract Baptist Church is still active and is located in Newark a few miles south of the Pennsylvania border near New London Road, on Welsh Tract Road. New London Road is College St at that point. There is only one of it in Delaware - there is enough confusion about it. Catherine's son's obituary placed it in Mill Creek Hundred! (a few miles northeast.) The best information I can get from area Primitive Baptist ministers is that there is no Primitive Baptist Church in Mill Creek Hundred and there has never been one there. Welsh and Old School are synonymous with Primitive Baptist. The Primitive Baptist denomination is the joint product of the Welsh Baptists and a European and English juncture of radical Calvinism with Anabaptist and Waldensian theology. The Welsh Tract church was founded by a Welsh Baptist congregation from Wales who settled there as a group, and many other area churches including the London Tract Church are spinnoffs of it though it wasn't long before most people at any of these churches weren't Welsh. It is reasonable to suspect that the current members of a small extreme sect are the descendants of the early l9th century followers of that sect in the same place. I thought that the tale of the battle over the London Tract Church building sounded like evidence that Dehaven descendants are still there, because it sounds like a fight Dehavens must have done! That story is actually quite complex, and the people who the evidence as I now have it (I don't have every piece of the story) acted the most Dehaven-like say they migrated from North Carolina around the time of WWI to find work! THis is a sect likely to attract people who are Dehaven-like in temperament, which the elder's (elder is what they call their ordained ministers) wife I talked to said her family is. Here is the story as I currently have it. It could change with new details. I have heard from both sides of the dispute. The original congregation of London Tract Church largely died out by the l920's, and no longer held services. The building was not abandoned, but was administered by a Board of Trustees, consisting of some local people and seemingly mostly people from other area Primitive Baptist churches. A Primitive Baptist group from nearby in Maryland leased the church to hold services. They were required to select a different name for their congrega- tion, as it wouldn't do for them to use the name of the earlier congregation that still owned the building, so they took the name Landmark Baptist. Then in the l960's, Dupont Corporation planned to dam White Clay Creek, a big creek with branches that flows through the entire area, and turn northern Newark and the township of London Britain into a lake, and they bought up alot of land in the area and leased it back to the people who owned it! This got all of the people of the White Clay Creek region up in arms, and is the root of much environmental, cultural and historical organization that now exists in that area. Half of the United States is descended from Southeastern Chester County and Newcastle County Delaware; I don't know how Dupont CAN have thought they were going to just make a lake out of the whole area. Uh-uh. Noone waas going to let it happen. Except apparently Trustee Charles Osborne, whatever was going on in his mind! Dehavens sometimes get very strange things stuck in our minds - and when that happens we are dangerous. But apparently Dupont hadn't yet bought London Tract Church, because the dispute centered on the Trustee's efforts to sell it to them! The trustee who most wanted to sell the building to Dupont was Charles Osborne, who lived just north of Baltimore. This is curious, because CAtherine Dehaven Kennedy's son bears the middle name Osborne, though he didn't inherit it from his mother's line, but it looks as though James Kennedy's family may have been involved in that church for atleast a generation. I don't know if there is any family connection here, or not. The Landmark Baptist group, who say they put alot of work into fixing up the church, which must have needed it as teh sexton's house across the street and the barn were both falling down, resisted this. The wife of the current elder of Landmark Baptist, who may not have been in the area at the time, and may have heard heated and short versions of the story, says they just came one Sunday and found them- selves locked out! One of the trustees says they evicted the Landmark Baptists after a protracted battle during which the Landmark Baptist group sued them claiming that they were the "original" owners! This sounds like the sort of emotionally exaggerated way of describing something that a Dehaven would make. It seems more plausible to me taht the Landmark Baptists claimed they were the owners, and the Trustees, seeing that as an affront, tacked on they claimed to be owners from the beginning. During this dispute, someone stole the deed to the church building from the county office! Neither party to the dispute currently wants to discuss who stole the deed, which is probably to their credit, but if one would expect a Dehaven descendant to do something of the kind, it seems to me that since the ownership of the building was historically well established in the minds of the people of the area and the matter could easily be proven since histories of the London Tract church are everywhere, and further local people which the Landmark Baptist group weren't would have immediately realized that, that only the Landmark Baptist group would have stood to benefit from stealing the deed. Get the picture here - both groups were behaving classically like hillbillies, which is pretty much how Dehavens with their inherently feudal temperament and middle-America ways act! The end of the matter seems to have been that, logically necessarily all at around the same time, Dupont gave up on its dam and lake plans and turned all the land it had bought up over to the states of Delaware and Pennsylvania to be used for a jointly run state nature preserve, and the Trustees or the disputants in joint settlement turned London Tract Church over to the State of Pennsylvania as part of this park, on the condition that no group ever worship there again. Actually, another Primitive Baptist group from Washington DC that had peacably used the church twice a year for some time peacably continues to do so. But the church is now the ranger station of the White Clay Creek Preserve, and a ranger is stationed there - who has the churches cemetery records and will check them for people, and also check the graves in the graveyard outside. But the Primitive BAptists are still very much alive. Suspiciously, they have congregations in EVERY town in Texas, large or small, including San Antonio and Denton, where key Dehaven Club members live, I don't know if that is coincidence or not, or if it is part of a complex and important set of Dehaven history, where some factors common to both patterns of migration account for both of them. Here are some good Primitive Baptist web links. Check these out. I'm not kidding you. This story is GOOD. Church History Committee some Appalachian primitive Baptist history and color main Primitive Baptist library A large Texas Primitive Baptist Church with much information on the denomination The central Primitive Baptist web site You will find even more Calvinistic and historical documents on these sites than on the German REformed Church of North America's excellent web site. You will quickly realize that besides being a very intensely evangelical church with an obsessive-compulsive style of thinking (singing hymms of praise in church services is ordained in the New Testament but musical instruments are banned), this is an extremely radical Calvinistic sect with Waldensian AND Anabaptist roots! Catherine Dehaven Kennedy found THAT church and came home! ***************************************************************** The Dehavens must have been very emotionally intense and exceptional people to begin with. And stayed that way over time. Even the club president says that Dehavens as a group are extremely obstinate people as well as being by nature hiders of genealogical information. Obstinate is a nice-nice code word for emotionally intense, and one of the attributes of emotionally intense people. One of her in-laws got eaten alive by his wife for giving club researchers some old army documents! What could reasonably be thought wrong with that? It looks like Dehaven hider instinct again. But the historical experience of extreme religious persecution is very consistent with researchers' theory of why a recently identified gene for anxiety disorders is common. People with anxious temperaments perceive and handle danger more realistically than do people with calm or happy temperaments. During the course of human history, people have often faced extreme danger. Researchers haven't been thinking of the fires of the Protestant Reformation; they tend to think more about Caveman days. Man versus Saber-toothed tiger. But after several centuries of anyone who ever relaxed died, what were likely to be the temperament genes of the people left alive? There have been many long periods in history when large groups of people, often whole populations, faced extreme danger that was social in both cause and nature. There is some reason to believe the Dehavens were fiercely patriotic during the Revolution. Pennsylvania Dutch were generally fierce advocates of and fighters for the Revolution, far more likely than anyone else to feel and to act that way. Many of them served in the Revolution. And Jesse's line were almost entirely German, except for Samuel's wife who may have been part French. It isn't established that Jacob loaned money and supplies to Washington voluntarily; in fact, Washington and the Continental Congress had grave difficulty extracting money from people and from the states to pay for the war, and ended up more or less coercing and even seizing money and supplies from people. Washington, being an extremely honorable and high- principled if somewhat Clintonish man, and not in reality a strong leader, though simple fire and obstinacy at which he excelled often got him through where someone else wouldn't have succeeded, ordered that people be issued notes or bonds payable after the war. But the new government was weak and unstable, and repeatedly bankrupt, and though it tried to offer people some- thing on those loans it was a pittance, and a great many people were financially ruined. Only the Dehavens remember that this happened to one of their ancestors 200 years ago let alone haven't given up trying to collect yet! But neither is it established that Jacob had to be coerced or forced to contribute his money and supplies. There is no way to know how he actually felt about the situation; the same family members who carried the story that he died bitter and heartbroken also helped form the propaganda about Washington's troops barefoot and starving at Valley Forge! A number of Dehavens lived near Valley Forge, and their tales are as vivid and myth-filled as anyone's. Why, they saw the lines of soldiers miserably tramping right by their door in a state in which they never were! But Jacob's brother Peter operated a gunpowder mill and supplied Washington's troops, and that was something it was much harder to force a person to do, or atleast do at all well. Part of the basis of the stories about Jacob going broke in the war and "someday, someday, the DeHaven family will be known for what it really did" from the father of a __?__ Baptist minister, may be that this matter is symbolic. It is possible that the Dehavens of the time thought because it was loans it was the one thing they put into the Revolution that they might recover. It seems that atleast Peter Dehaven and his sons, which included Jacob and Peter of the powder mill, did at one time have a good deal of wealth. They were international merchants. There is little documentation of that and little is known about it. There is enough evidence that it was so. It took some amount of wealth to manage that. That more is not known is partly a function of Dehaven hider instinct at work again, they seem to have taken particular care to conceal their activities, though no reason for that is known of, and partly simply a function of how the Pennsylvania Dutch characteristically were. The Pennsylvania Dutch were the original status ambiguous people and have remained so to this day in my Dehart line. They were the original ENERGETIC people; when they did exclusively farmed they typically worked in the fields from 4AM to dark and then feasted and danced until midnight, and they literally made as much money as possible any way they could, and often had several livlihoods. My Dehart ancestors were characteristic; they owned and worked huge farms, in their spare time working 14 hour days as factory laborers; meanwhile they each owned huge portions of the nearby city of Reading. They were known as factory laborers! But they left huge bequests that are often very difficult to account for. The latest to do so, in 1995, left nearly a million dollars to all collateral heirs as he had no wife, no children and no will, and noone has a CLUE how he got it. "He worked for the phone company." In what capacity, I asked. Did he OWN it, or was he merely CEO? But people who have investigated the story of Jacob's loans often simply can't believe it. The members of the family were farmers, though like many prosperous farmers and most Pennsyl- vania Dutch farmers and like Peter Dehaven they sometimes operated mills or industrial enterprises on their farms, and a number of my ancestors became truly wealthy through this combined use of resources, and all anyone can varify about Jacob is that he owned and ran a tavern. But there is evidence that a number of things went on with the Dehavens that was never documented. They and the Leverings came as poor laborers from Muelheim. Levering quickly aquired 500 acres of land on credit and got out of paying for it! With a quantity of land, people could quickly become exceedingly prosperous, and the Pennsylvania Dutch excelled in getting the most out of large parcels of land, setting up mills and small industrial operations on them beside their farms. But Levering's wife's uncle was a wealthy Dutch Van de Walle, of Heyden, Holland, and one of the members of the Frankfort Company that bought the land for and organized Germantown. When he died, Wigod Levering got a share of the wealth, and this formed part of the beginning of a family fortune. Some lines of the Levering family are wealthy industrialists to this day. There was also a family connection, I don't know whether of the Dehaven family or of the Leverings, to Francis Daniel, "a learned man", of "a family of prominence and influence in Germany" who was a friend and partner of Penn's, and also an organizer of the Frankfurt Company. Wigod Levering's daughter Sidonia married Peter Dehaven. They all lived in close proximity, though Peter no longer lived in Germantown, they had all lived there together once as a group of maybe 50 or 60 families, if that. It might have been 50 or 60 PEOPLE. My notes aren't that good. So they are likely to have closely worked together on all that they happened to work on. Wigod Levering's will left Peter Indehaven and his wife collectively 20 pounds. But I bet Peter Dehaven actually acquired substantial wealth through his interactions with the Leverings and may even have worked for or with their wealthy relatives, who would have been in an excellent position to start Peter on a career as an international merchant. And all of the wealth the family seems to have had seems to have just been gone at the end of the Revolution, as if the family had sunk it into the Revolution. Except that my 3X great grandfather, Jesse Dehaven of London Britain, somehow had a total estate worth $10,000 dollars, WAY more than that typical of the farmers of his time; he died in 1835 or 1838. So there is ambiguity here, too. But I bet that if someone looked into the activities of those wealthy family connections and of Germantown itself, one might find out "what the Dehavens really were". (information on Leverings from Levering genealogy - I forgot to take down author and title! Large genealogy, done by a Levering family researcher.) More recently, Dehavens have overwhelmingly tended to be upper middle class, often professionals, and also have at times done things a bit off the beaten track, like explore the North Pole. They have about a half dozen published genealogies, which is a large number for one family group, and currently have three family clubs. What is more, all of the genealogical interest is heavily concentrated in about half of the lines of descent from the original ancestor, which is how a genetic trait would be likely to behave. I think that it takes some degree of an emotionally passionate nature to want to know or to preserve one's family history. Ms. Bertine, president of the Dehaven Club, seems a little quirky. For instance, she repeatedly insists that libraries don't let you zerox from books, in club newsletters as well as repeatedly to me. She is well-educated and has done much library research. How could she get such an idea. It is not unlikely that at some point the staff of one or more special collections that hold many books that are old and falling apart wouldn't allow her to zerox from them. Usually one can make arrangements for the staff to do it, in that circumstance. How she generalized it to all libraries and all books, given that whenever one walks into any library one sees people zeroxing from books, seems to require obsessive compulsive disorder, or the kind of severe obsessive compulsive personality disorder that is usually the result of some underlying mental disorder. It also seems as if atleast in some lines of descent the emotional climate of the Smith family changed after the marriage to Mary Dehaven. I don't know what was the emotional climate in this family BEFORE that marriage, except that I do know that William the son of John and Isabella was described as ambitious, but lively and active and a leader at sport, good at getting along with other people, and popular, and not as high-strung or moody, or at all as someone who kept to himself and kept things to himself. It seems as if the Smith temperament abruptly and forever did a 180 degree change when Mary Dehaven married into it. I do know that this marriage wasn't the beginning of the family flying apart. Smiths acted as if they lacked strong family bonds. All of the sons of John and Isabella but one dispersed, apparently to the four winds, it appears some of them to Ohio, and neither my nor James P's line of descent from William, nor the line that came from the marriage to a Montgomery, knows what happened to them. It is possible the daughters of John and Isabella married locally and their descen- dants are still around, and we don't know it. Of the seven sons of William and Mary Dehaven, only two stuck around for any time at all, and only three of the boys seem to have kept track of each other at all. The three girls married locally, and I now know that descendants of two of them stuck around, and also that they kept good records of their ancestry, though in one case only via DAR references. The third daughter left no descendants; she and her husband adopted a boy! That pattern continued, but after the marriage to Mary Dehaven, one can identify definite antagonisms and cracks in the family. When my great grandfather, William Henry Sr, wrote his family sketch, in which he very carefully listed all children of everybody, he left out his youngest brother! My father kept up with only one of his father's siblings. Another is known to have died when my father was only six. My parents had no idea there were descendents of William Smith still living on the ancestral farmland in White Clay Creek until they went there to try to locate the property markers. My father's family split, and my family has split. That picture of the Smiths in front of the farm house absolutely advertises lack of belief in family togetherness and closeness. It is the first Victorian photo I have ever seen in which family members were not posed together as a group. Everyone over 12 is atleast halfway across the yard from anyone else, and the grown eldest boy is posed as not quite part of the family - and all but the youngest children are carefully and deliberately posed. But the father in that family was the son of Mary Dehaven, and he further is posed in a classic German patriarchal stance complete with staff as well as physical distance from his family! In James P's family, his wife, Emily Henderson, and Mary Dehaven vigorously did not get along, and his wife wouldn't stay in the same house with his mother, so he was obliged to build a second SMith farmhouse across the road. The eldest boy and a daughter didn't get along with "a sibling", so they moved with their mother, Emily, to Raleigh North CArolina, where the son and daughter continued to live with their mother and never married. The son had graduated from college, which meant quite alot in those days, and he first went into business picking ferns for the Raleigh funeral industry, then had a coca-cola franchise and a used car business. My brother and I have also rather seriously failed to perform up to potential. That is usually a sign of something wrong. The son is said to have been a supremely unlikable character, and his sister cold, stiff and prissy - atleast in the way she came across. Understand, I believe the remaining siblings of the large family were fine, and my SMith 3rd cousin's family seems close-knit. But something was definitely wrong with those two. And my 3rd cousin says the remaining sibling who was his father had the ferocious temperament that came down his line. Neither the Thompson-Chambers-Miller clan families nor the Dehavens seem to have been prone to dispersing, splitting and drifting apart like this. I think the Dehaven emotional intensity often creates or helps maintain strong family bonds, and it may be no accident that all Smiths I have so far ever heard of are descended from William and Mary Dehaven, any more than it is an accident that Dehavens have six published genealogies and three family clubs and still remember an unrepaid debt from two hundred years ago. Possibly when the ferocious, not particularly stable, Dehaven temperament got into the Smith family that lacked strong family bonds the family began to fly apart. Chester County Quakers including the Thompson-Chambers- Miller clan were prone to frequent migrations to other parts of the state and the country. No doubt family tensions helped to determine who joined them. If people were not getting along some could leave without appearing to break with family. But these were mass migrations of groups of usually closely related people. They didn't drift away like leaves blown in the wind the way Smiths seem to have. Further, it is known where these groups moved from and where they moved to. Someone kept track. Smiths didn't. There also has been more bitterness involved in Smith family splits than with Quaker family separations; whatever was the reason why any individual Quaker joined their organized migrations, they were peaceful, someone just decided to leave, and family bonds and communication were maintained. Another pattern that seems to either begin with Mary Dehaven or predate her is that of Smith men marrying emotionally intense and unusual women. My father calls them, "remarkable women". I get the idea that this characterized the women in my father's line back to Mary Dehaven, and it sounds as if it characterized two marriages in Jim McVey's direct line, too. Emily Henderson certainly wasn't a more mild-mannered person than Mary Dehaven. Jim McVey is Smith-Henderson on his mother's side; she inherited the family temper. That kind of pattern of marriages also occurred in my mother's lines. It both perpetuated this set of genetic traits, and led to an entire collection of genes. About 16 genes for an anxious temperament or anxiety disorders exist. A little anxiety is often a good and helpful thing. By themselves, most of these genes don't cause clinical anxiety disorders. But they each have quite different discrete effects on brain chemistry, and that means that they can gang up. Someone with a whole collection of these genes is likely to have a clinical anxiety disorder. Of course, some of these genes, and also some of the genes for the neurochemically similar disorder depression, exert mendelian dominance! For instance, if a parent had major depression, one has a 50% chance of having major depression. And the pattern that I found when I mapped signs of Dehaven emotional intensity on Baron Von Alten's chart is that one has a 50% chance of inheriting the Dehaven temperament, and it has come right straight down roughly half the lines of descent from Peter Dehaven! This hasn't happened in my family, but then in my family there is clear evidence of four or five different genes, each of which came from different lines of the family, at work. My sister behaves similarly to my brother and me but in very different ways, and a key one is that unlike my brother and me she doesn't appear to be depressed. Same hyperanxious, high- strung, people-shy, pathologically a hider traits, the most seriously obstinate person in the family except my mother, the same serious problems with self-esteem that appear to come from nowhere, but far less depressed. Another very fascinating and telling element of the Dehaven temperament is what I call the hider trait. Dehavens seem to be characteristically shy or suspicious or afraid of people. Another thing that Thelma Lunaas did that attracted my attention is that, while she filed a high public interest lawsuit that she took to the sU.S. Supreme Court, and even put her own name on it, Thelma Lunaas Weasenforth vs the United States, she insisted that noone know her name OR her lineage, not even of what early Dehaven line she was! This is from Dorothy Bertine, who tries to keep Dehaven genealogical informaiton secret and has been known to lie in that cause, and Thelma Lunaas must be a veritable gold mine of it if one talked to her. But certainly Thelma would have been well known to club members if she had wnated to be, and noone but her own close relatives have a clue who she is. Not even people who ent to the big Dehaven reunions at the time when the lawsuit happened, and the lawyer was there, and everything. THey had never met her, or anything. Didn't recognize her name. And Dorothy Bertine contributed money (since returned) toward a gigantic effort I an done of Thelma's own cousins were supposed to make to trace her family's lines, which I actually learned by talking to other members of her family. This makes no sense if Dorothy Bertine knew this stuff. I wrote to Thelma Lunaas, whose name and address and phone number are in the phone book, one of the few people named Lunaas in the U.S. and certainly the only one of her name near Houston, Texas, which is strange if she doesn't want people to know who she is, but then my father is a privacy nut who won't let anyone give out his name, address, etc., for any reason, and he has it fully listed in the phone book, and asked her, and also said I'd like to know more about her and trade information with her. She never responded, which supports the conclusion that Dorothy Bertine is telling the truth. Dorothy Bertine also said that NOONE of Samuel II's line (that is Jesse's father) has given her their genealogical information but me. I know that one or two have since then or close enough to then that she didn't know it yet, and her file that I saw had just one new line of descent in it. It sounded as if Samuel II's line are SUPER hiders! One must take into consideration that I have since learned (the hard way) that alot of people simply won't give their genealogical informaiton to Dorothy Bertine. I've met other Dehaven researchesrs on the web who won't give their information to Dorothy Bertine. Not because it's secret. In fact, SI got that entire family's Dehaven lineage from other members of that line in a few phone calls. Dorothy Bertine is an author, she views the Deahven Club as a source of material for her books, she tries to keep genealogical information secret, and she bullies and manipulates people and throws legal threats around, and did all of this to me. Alot of older Dehavens and immediate relatives of hers really don't mind or care, the rest of us feel strongly about sharing genealogical information. Also, I do have a very anxious temperament, and I don't want my genealogical information entangled with someone who throws legal threats and potentially dangerious misinterpretations of a confusing law everyone is confused about around. My immediate relatives may feel the same way. My pathologically distrustful parents would never have gotten involved in the Deahven Club at all. But anxious people are quicker than other people to scent and react to danger. I don't know that the people who have given her their information have put themselves and their informaiton in mortal danger; in fact, most of her threats and lectures are such pure bluff it's ridiculous. It is actually significant that my own Dehaven line have apparently been particularly reluctant to involve their information with her. Too, another reason why I have reacted as I have is that I feel particularly strongly about the free availability of such basic information about a family, and strong feelings is another hallmark Dehaven trait. My other fourth cousin Bonnie Bunce, who feels the opposite way to the way I feel about it, and I have had proper Dehaven sparks flying across the web about it. The hider trait survives in my family. In my father's case, his overwhelming obsessive fear of the world and everyone in it underlies extreme hider behavior. His own children often don't know the most glaring or important things that are going on with him. He wouldn't allow my brother and me out of the house even when I was l8 and in college (and required to live at home) except for school, church and selected work unless he was with us because "I trust you, but I know something will happen." Guess who my prom date was? Usually he wasn't ambitious enough, though, to for instance drive us to a school activity if he was afraid something would happen. My sister had a better time of it because by the time she reached her teens, my mother had recovered from a long bout of clinical depression she had when I was a child that caused her to act as bad as my father! But she still had to find a ride to school activities because something would happen if she walked, and our parents lacked the ambition to take her - not as if they were occupied or busy! My father has little interest in people and has ever had just one good friend, who for all but a couple of years of his life has never lived closer than 500 miles away. And my third cousin of another Smith line my father's temperament came down tells me he is exactly the same way. My sister conceals EVERYTHING about herself. She told me nothing about the man she lived with for two years until they announced their engagement, and then refused to tell me a thing about him. Finally I called him up and introduced myself! She refused to tell me what she was doing in terms of what is your current occupation or job title at IBM. She trained as a computer programmer and worked as one for IBM for some time. My brother thought what she does was a trade secret! Finally at her wedding her co-workers told me. They hadn't had any reason to think it was a secret. My sister is project manager for the new update of one of IBM's major computer operating systems! Why didn't she tell me that? Purportedly, because she doesn't like to blow her horn! And trying to get her to tell me WHAT IS the OS/2 operating system! Or how well is it doing? She jumped down my throat at both questions - which she interpreted as threatening questions. My sister appears to think that if she says anything about herself or what she does, no matter what, someone will attack her! Another very important thing I have learned about Dehaven mental health is that Dorothy Bertine says that alcoholism runs in the Dehaven lines "from somewhere" and is quite a problem. There is strong evidence that a gene for alcoholism or genetic traits that contribute to alcoholism by making drinking alcohol a particular- ly pleasant experience exist. But the leading cause of alcoholism is known to be untreated and often unrecognized mental illness, most often mood and anxiety disorders like what runs in my family. Both are leading causes of family breakdown like that which seems to run in my Dehaven lines. And I would say that "from somewhere" led somewhere pretty close to Dorothy Bertine; she also said that "That is why I WILL not allow alcohol to be served at Dehaven family reunions" and I'm also suspicious of where Dorothy Bertine got her hard, grim, Miss Minchin ala A Little Princess outlook on life. But I got a similar report from someone descended from Harmond Dehaven who married an Op den graef. William of my line of descent married a Cramer, possibly of a family of the same group.
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