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Tyner/Tiner DNA Project

Summary of Results By Groups

As of September 9 , 2009, we have we have identified Y-DNA test results for many participants by searching different DNA databases.  The majority of these participants carry either the Tyner or Tiner surname. Depending on the source, a family can be found listed using various spellings on different types of documents. In Group 1, for instance, two branches from the same ancestor carry a different spelling than the other.

There have been interesting developments due to the test results. Theories have been disproved and new connections established.  

Most Tyner/Tiner Family Trees usually start with Nicholas Tyner I from England to the Isle of Wight, VA. DNA testing has helped to verify which individuals are actual descendants while others are having to re-evaluate their data. We are hoping that descendants of the Tynes clan of the Isle of Wight will test soon to see if the Tyner's and Tynes of this location are related.

Sarah Tyner, who bore John Harris three children, is speculated to be Nicholas Tyner I's daughter. Decendants of Sarah carry the Tyner surname but match Harris DNA.

Dempsey Tyner's DNA matches Sarah Tyner's children but his father has yet to be identified.

Richard Tyner of Elbert Co, GA, which includes Joshua, has fallen into a separate group. He DOES NOT match Nicholas Tyner I or the Tyner/Harris Group. He DOES match various Holmes testers.

Elijah Tyner of Effingham Co, GA, whose descendants scattered across the United States, and many still reside in Florida, matches Richard Tyner of Ireland. Several of Richard's descendants came to the United States, through Canada. There are still descendants in Ireland today.

Several of the participants match other Surname Groups. Most of these groups have been identified and checked to verify matches. The difference in the testers here and the matching surname group could be due to an early choice of a surname or there may have a "non-paternity event" in his direct male line such as an adoption, step-child name change, or child born out of wedlock.  In such a case, it is often helpful to test more descendants from that particular family line.  According to the FTDNA company, the chance of a DNA mismatch due to a "non-paternity event" is about 2%-5% per generation.  That works out to 18%-40% in 10 generations (roughly 250 years).

If you don't match the other descendants of your presumed ancestor, scour your family tree for clues such as remarriages with step-children, divorces and separations, and children who seem to be either too old or too young considering their mother's age and date of marriage.  You may be able to identify where the "break" occurred.  For example, one classic scenario is a child born out of wedlock who is raised by his maternal grandparents.  He will probably be the youngest child in the family and possibly separated from his next-oldest "sibling" by several years.  His "mother" (grandmother) may have been in her 40's or even 50's when he was born.  He will be identified as a son on census records because of the social stigma of illegitimacy.  Another common situation is a woman who marries after being divorced or abandoned by a first husband, or having a child out of wedlock, and the child takes the step-father's surname.  County divorce records, bastardy bonds and records of "base-born" children who were "bound out" can be rich sources of genealogical information.  Wills are another source so if you find a wife and a son who receive $1 while the rest of the children receive all other goods, there may be a clue there. You may have to search original records or microfilm at the county court, state archives or at an LDS Family History Center.  In most places, only a small percentage of the available court records have been indexed and published.

A few of the participants have unique (non-matching) DNA results meaning there are no other matches or the matching surname group has not been identified. 

Many websites and family trees will continue to carry pre-DNA testing theories but the more test results obtained, the more these theories can be challenged and, hopefully, corrected..

As the project progresses, we hope that some of our "uniques" will ultimately find a "match" that will reveal new, as-yet-unidentified Tyner/Tiner/Tynes family groups. There are several Tyner/Tiner/Tynes clans that have no test results and we are anxious to find a male who would be willing to take the test and include their clan in the project. DNA testing would greatly benefit their researchers. We also have many testers who cannot go further their family tree so additional matching results with the sharing of information can only help with those "brick walls".

Group 1 -NICHOLAS TYNER I

Highlights:
• Number of Participants: 6
• Ethnicity: Haplogroup I2b1 (Western European), probably Great Britain
• Common ancestor: Nicholas Tyner I , of Isle of Wight Co., VA
 
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The participants in Nicholas' Family Group are descendants of various Tyner and Tiner families in Wayne/Robeson Co, North Carolina, Ohio, Georgia and Texas.  Many of these families trace their origins to a man named Nicholas Tyner I , who came to VA from England with 5 small children and no wife, during the late 1600's.  Some decendants spell their name Tyner while the others spell it Tiner.

Nicholas Tyner I, was probably English, like most immigrants to Virginia during the 1600's.  The participants in Family Group 1 have Y-DNA markers that put them into a DNA "super-family" known as Haplogroup I2b1 which is typically found in men from the Great Britian area.  We think that Nicholas Tyner's family probably came from southern England, possibly Devon, Dorset, Somerset, or Hampshire, where the Tyner surnames seem to have originated.

Two participants are 4th cousins and two are 3rd cousins. Their DNA results are interesting because one of the 2nd set of cousins more closely matches one of the cousins in the first set than does the other cousin. This group represents David Tiner of Ohio, William T Tyner of Early/Baker/Miller Co, GA and Bastrop Co, TX, Francis Eliah Tyner of MS and Nicholas I from Isle of Wight to Robeson Co, VA.

A caution:  There were many Tyners in the Robeson Co, VA, Johnston Co, NC and Wayne Co, NC areas, some which do not match this DNA Group. More testers are needed to find out how many DNA Groups are represented in these areas.

Major branches of Group 1 include the following:

  • David Tiner (c.1800) of Wood Co, OH.  Two participants trace their lines to David.
  • William T Tyner (c. 1820 TN/GA/SC) .  William's name was identified in a delayed deed, dated 1899, when his daughter Ida Tiner Kelley buys her brother's Lewis, William Wright, John and Ben's parts of the property located in Baker Co, GA, purchased by their father in 1848. Lewis and Wright moved to Bastrop Co, TX in 1879, along with other families from the Baker Co, GA area. John, Ben and Ida's decendants stayed and are located in Baker and Miller Co, GA. A descendant of son Ben and one from son Lewis have tested.
  • Nicholas Tyner I of Isle of Wight, VA .  We have tested one descendant of Nicholas's with a proven paper trail. 
  • John Frances Tiner of Lafayette Co, MS to TX .  We have tested one descendant of John's with a proven paper trail. Possible brother's are James Elias Tiner of Conway Co, AR and Jesse Tiner of Lafayette Co, MS.

 


Group 2 - SARAH TYNER/JOHN HARRIS

Highlights:
• Number of participants: 8
• Ethnicity: Haplogroup I1 (Scandinavia)
• Common ancestor: Sarah Tyner/John Harris (England to Isle of Wight)
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The participants in Sarah's Family Group are descendants of Sarah Tyner. It has been proposed that she immigrated to Virginia from England with her father Nicholas I. Nicholas mentions a daughter Sarah in his will.   Sarah Tyner lived on the plantation of John Harris and was provided for in his will along with her three Tyner children. John's wife never produced any off spring. This group also includes Dempsey Tyner, Revolutionary War soldier and Reuben Tyner who's decendants are included on the Dawes Rolls of the Indian Territory. Dempsey's father has yet to be identified.

 

Group 3 - RICHARD TYNER OF ELBERT CO, GA

Highlights:
• Number of participants: 3
• Ethnicity: Haplogroup I1 (Scandinavia)
• Common ancestor: Richard Tyner of Elbert Co, GA
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The participants in Richard of Elbert's Family Group are descendants of Richard Tyner, an early settler Elbert Co, GA.  The tester also matches several Holmes testers. Through DNA we now know that he is NOT the son of Harris Tyner, NOT an offspring of the Sarah/John Harris Group, NOR an offspring of Nicholas Tyner I.

Group 4 - JOHN TYNER (IRELAND), ELIJAH TYNER (GA/FL)

Highlights:
• Number of participants: 2 (one from FTDNA, one from Ancestry)
• Ethnicity: Haplogroup R1b1b2a1b
• Common ancestor: Unknown Irish Ancestor
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The participants in John's and Elijah's Family Group are descendants of an unknown male from Ireland. John Tyner's descendants live in Ireland and Canada. Elijah Tyner's descendants went to Effingham Co, GA and most ended up in Florida.  The testers also match a Jordan and a Cameron, though the relationship is unknown.

Group 5 - BENETT TINER OF ARKANSAS & GEORGE TYNER*IRELAND/NY

Highlights:
• Number of participants: 32
• Ethnicity: Haplogroup I2
• Common ancestor: unknown
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The participants in Bennet's and George's Family Group are descendants of an unknown male. The testers match several Odoms though the relationship is unknown and a Jordan.

Group 6 - GURLEY/TYNER

Highlights:
• Number of participants: 3
• Ethnicity: Haplogroup R1b1b2a1a
• Common ancestor: unknown
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The participants in Gurley/Tyner Family Group are descendants of an unknown male from Ireland. Nothing further is known about the testers ancestors and how they are related.

Group 7 - WILLIAM TYNER 1807-1862

Highlights:
• Number of participants: 1
• Ethnicity: Haplogroup R1b12
• Common ancestor: unknown
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The participants in William Tyner's Family Group are descendants of an unknown male from Ireland. Nothing further is know about this tester except that he matches the Helms DNA Group, relationship unknown and a Pool.

Group 8 - GEORGE W TYNER

Highlights:
• Number of participants: 1
• Ethnicity: Haplogroup J2 (Scandinavia)
• Common ancestor: George W Tyner
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The participant in George W Tyner of Robeson Co, NC Family Group are descendants of unknown. Although this line traces up to Nicholas I, there was an "event" between the tester and Nicholas I, meaning someone in the tester's direct male line was either adopted, illigitimate or took on another name. Old George himself could match Tyner DNA and the disconnect is closer down the line to the tester. There isn't another exact test result found in the various DNA databases to conclude positively which DNA Group the tester would match. Close matches are Bridges and Carter.

Group 9 - WILLIAM HENRY TYNER - LAUREL HILL, FL

Highlights:
• Number of participants: 1
• Ethnicity: Haplogroup R1
• Common ancestor: Benjamin Raley
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The participant in William Henry Tyner of Randolph Co, GA to Laurel Hill, FL Family Group has been found to be a descendant of Benjamin Raley. Aunt Mamie, an avid genealogist for this line, told that William's father John wasn't his father. It was found, after DNA test results connected William to Benjamin Raley and a McKenzie, that Ben's sister, lived with William's parents. A McKenzie tester found that their ancestor was also another illigitimate offspring of Benjamin Raley.

Group 10 - DOVER/SHIPMAN

Highlights:
• Number of participants: 2
• Ethnicity: Haplogroup R1b12
• Common ancestor: unknown
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The participants in Dover/Shipman Family Group are descendants of an unknown male. Nothing further is known about these testers except that these lines married Tyner's.

Group 11 - JOHN G TYNER

Highlights:
• Number of participants: 1
• Ethnicity: Haplogroup I2a
• Common ancestor: unknown
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The participants in John G Tyner's Family Group are descendants of an unknown male who was the first husband of John's mother and adopted by her second husband who was a Tyner. There are no other close matches found in any DNA databases to verify the matching Surname Group.

Group 13 - THOMAS TYNER TN

Highlights:
• Number of participants: 31
• Ethnicity: Haplogroup I2
• Common ancestor: unknown
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The participants in Thomas' Family Group are descendants of an unknown male. Jefferson Davis Tiner, the son of Thomas who was the son of Jesse and his wife Elizabeth, is listed on trees as a descendant of Dempsey Tyner but this is incorrect as DNA testing has disproved this theory.  It's unknown which descendant of Jesse's the tester with Thomas as his ancestor is from.


Unknown Groups

Highlights:
• Number of participants: many
• Ethnicity: various J2, E1b1a, I2a, R1b12
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The unique participants do not match anyone else in the study so far.  A unique participant may be the first representative of a new family group which we call Unknown Group until we find additional matches.   

 

Others:

We are currently looking for more descendants of the following individuals to determine whether we have a non-paternity event or a new family group:

  • Thomas Tyner
  • William Tyner, son of Nicholas I

To connect another large clan of Tyner's, we are looking for male participants who descend from:

  • John Tyner of Walton Co, FL

DNA testing is a facinating tool. You will see most trees starting with Nicholas Tyner I of the Isle of Wight. DNA testing has shown that not all Tyners or Tiners in the U.S. are a decendant of Nicholas. Now don't toss out your years of genealogical research based on a DNA result until you have exhausted every possibility. As in Nicholas's daughter Sarah's case, if the Sarah that was the mistress of John Harris is Nicholas's daughter, her decendants are still Tyner's and having Nicholas I as the oldest known Tyner ancestor would still be correct. If you have a male Tyner in your family tree who falls into another DNA group other than yours, as a courteousy, please correct your online trees and other research so that future researchers will not incorporate the bad data into their research.

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