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Volume 9, no. 4 October, 2006
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FALL FALLS AGAIN
Unless you're a fan of extreme weather, you're probably pretty happy
to see Fall come around again. This year has also been very
strange weatherwise throughout the country. There have been
droughts, torrential rains, bake-oven heat, and chills requiring the
comfort of your furnace. Here in Southern California, we had two
very unusual summer months--July and August. Normally at least
the first part of July is fairly cool, and August is hot and
humid. This year, those conditions occurred in reverse.
Most of July was blistering--in the triple digits for weeks. The
first three weeks of August, however, were cool and pleasant.
Sitting here at my computer with my central air still going full blast,
I wonder how our ancestors coped with the weather--and with changes in
expected temperatures--without the relief provided by air conditioning
and central heat. How did they still work in the burning rays of
the summer sun? And how did they wake up in the darkness of a
winter morning to feed the animals and chop wood with fingers stiff
from the cold? They were a hardy bunch, accustomed to doing
everything the hardest way possible. But they survived--and we
should be very proud of them. Let's enjoy Autumn and its
celebrations as they did, as a reward for a job well done.
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ONCE REMOVED:
FITTING INTO THE FAMILY
by Barbara Peck
Edited by Tim Seawolf-Self
GENERATIONS COUNT
Assuming that the new cousin isn't your sibling, the most basic relationships are first cousin, second cousin, etc. First cousin is easy! You and your cousin are both grandchildren of the common ancestor. For example, your grandfather had a son and a daughter. His son is your father. His daughter's son is therefore your first cousin. You have a second cousin if both of you are the great-grandchildren of the common ancestor. In other words, great=2. You and your third cousin are both 2nd great grandchildren of the common ancestor, so the formula is great-great=3. As you progress, figure the number of "greats" (generations past your grandparent) and add one.
 FIRST COUSIN |
 SECOND COUSIN |
The next distinction--"once removed"--is a one generation difference between two cousins. Let's say that you're the granddaughter of a man who had quite a few children. Your father was the youngest. His oldest brother got married and began having children a full 20 years before you came along. So by the time you're 30 years old, your 50 year old cousin has had a son who is the same age as you are. You two are first cousins once removed. There is that generation gap in between. This man is not your first cousin because he is not your father's generation. But he's closely related since he descends from your much older uncle...this sounds confusing, but here it is in a graphical format.
MORE COMBINATIONS
There are three more general combinations. In these cases, we're not only describing more distant cousins but probably calculating the relationship between one living person and one person deceased. This is because the number of years between the birthdates of the two cousins finally exceeds the number of years in the average human lifespan. These three groups are (1) first cousin "multiple" times removed; (2) multiple cousin once removed; and (3) some other mixture of the two.
If first cousins involve two people of the same generation; and first cousins once removed involve two people, one of whom is one generation older than the other (or one generation "removed"); then counting generations can explain a first cousin who is twice, three times, or more removed. Twice removed is the relationship between the grandchild of a common ancestor and the second great grandchild of that person, i.e., 2 generations form the gap between them...
You can now fill in the logic for first cousins three times or more removed from each other.
Multiple cousins one or more times removed are figured in a similar way. You know that second cousins, for instance, are both great grandchildren of the common ancestor. To "remove" a cousin is to "remove" a generation. So in this case, only one cousin is the great grandchild of that individual. The other is the second great grandchild. One more generation is "removed" from the equation. Using this logic, you can discern any number of cousins with any number of "removals."
SUMMARY
Determining relationships isn't as confusing as it seems. Once you translate the proper formula into terms you can understand, you should be able to count generations and come up with the right answer. If you're still confused (and it takes awhile to get this down to a familiar exercise), try making charts of your own family and writing in the relationships to each other and to a common ancestor. If you can identify a designation with a familiar person in your own tree, it might be easier to spot the same relationship in that of another.
(NEXT: "The 'Burned Counties' of Virginia")
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OBITUARY
STELLA MILLER
contributed by Cousin Barry Self
Funeral was 7:00 P.M. Friday, August 18, in Biereley-Hale Chapel, Rev. Rick Harris and Rev. Larry Gibby officiated. Interment 11:00 A.M. Saturday, Piney Grove Cemetery. Family received friends 6-7 P.M. Friday at Biereley-Hale Funeral Home, Madisonville, TN.
Note: Stella was the oldest of 10 children. Her maternal grandparents were William Harvey Hartness and Sarah Louisa Self Hartness. Her maternal great grandparents were John J. and Lydia Avaline Self.
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MINOR SELF LINES
part 12
by Barbara Peck and Tim Seawolf-Self
NEW YORK
CLARA MAE SELF: Born in 1871 in Orleans County, NY., we can only surmise that her parents were from England as were most Selfs who settled in the Northeast in the 19th century. She m. Frederick Wesley Grant and had two children: William and Clarabell..
OHIO
MARY ELLEN SELF: She was born in 1874 and died in 1971. She m. Henry Kieffer Corbin in Indiana. They had 3 children: Ruth, Vannus, and Grace. Though both Henry and Mary Ellen were from Ohio, they are more closely associated with Newton and Henry Counties in Indiana.
ELIZABETH SELF: Nicknamed "Betsy," she married William Painter in Clinton County and lived in Greene County. Their children were Lucinda, David, George, Mary, Lucretia, Jesse, and John. Where does she fit in?
MARY SELF: Mary Self and her husband, William Stanton, lived in Greene County. They had six children: Edward, Mary, John, David, James, and Frank.
SARAH SELF: Born 1845, probably in Harrison County, OH. She m. Andrew Rennaker and had children Cora and William.
WILLIAM H. SELF: He was born 1825 in OH. His father was from Virginia, and his mother from OH. He m. Ellen ???, b. 1832 in OH. In the 1880 Census, he is shown with 4 children (John, Samuel, Mary Ann, and Sarah) and a grandson, Thomas A. Self.
SNYDER JENNINGS SELF: With such an unusual name, Snyder Self should be easy to find--but he isn't. We know that he was born on Apr. 6, 1841 and that he married Louisa Oldfather in 1876. We also know that he had 5 children: Roscoe, Ollie, Valeria, Sydnor Jennings, and Russell. Perhaps his name was really "Sydnor" as well.
FRANK SELF--#1: It appears that there were at least three related Selfs living in Morrow County. Their mother came from Ohio, but all three gave their father as being born in Prussia. We're curious about their Self roots--was their name actually Self or was it something else that perhaps sounded similar. Frank was born in 1854 in OH. His wife was Julianne. Their daughter was Rena May.
JACOB SELF--#2: Not a brother to Frank because of his age--and also because both parents were apparently born in Prussia. Widowed in 1880, he had three children: David, Adam, and Christina. They were of Frank's generation, so possibly Jacob was Frank's uncle or even his father.
SOLOMON SELF--#3: Solomon was most likely a brother to Frank. His wife's name was Margaret. He had 4 children in the 1880 Census, Jada, Webster, Martha, and Charly. Do you have any information about these Selfs?
JAMES SELF: There are several cousins researching one of the most difficult Self lines, that of James Self, b. May 23, 1806 in Westmoreland County, VA. He married Maria Elmore and went to Pickaway County, OH. One theory is that James Self belongs to the same family as the Selfs that went to Hocking County, OH., possibly the son of William Self. This line of thought is reinforced by the fact that Maria was born in Maryland. They had 10 children: Ellen, James, Mary, John, Edward, Emily, Maria, Stephen, Laban, and Lemuel.
REBECCA J. SELF: Who was Rebecca J. Self, b. 1840 in OH., married to William Clevenger, and making her home in Pickaway County? Children: Martin, James, George, Vandalia, Ollie, Viola, Fannie, and Wilmina.
EMMA ELLEN SELF: Emma Self was born Jan. 1872 somewhere in OH. Her husband was Levi Allen Watson, born in Allen County, IN and died in Sherwood, MI. Their son, Albert L. Watson, was born in 1898.
JOHN SELF: This Self was born 1827 in OH, but his father came from VA and his mother was born in NJ. Wife Elizabeth was also a resident of multiple places. She was born in OH., too, but died in KS. The family, consisting of John, Elizabeth, and their three children--Samuel, Minnie, and Clara--lived in Indiana after 1868, moving to Stafford County, KS by 1880.
WILLIAM A. SELF: Possibly related to John Self, above. He was born in OH in 1852 but was also in Stafford County, KS by 1880. His two wives were Ellen Beson of IA and Annie A. ??? of OH.
UNKNOWN SELF: He married Thursey ??? in VA. He moved from there to OH, from OH to Kosciusko County, IN, and died sometime before 1860. His children: Thomas, William, Jasper, Minerva, and John. Who was this Unknown Self?
UNKNOWN SELF: Another Unknown, this time a female who married a man named Hamilton. They had a son John (1825 - 1893) somewhere in OH.
If you know about any of these Selfs from New York and Ohio, please send us a chart or gedcom showing their ancestry. In the issues to follow, we'll be listing other "Loose Ends" from other states. You'll find these people listed on the "Loose Ends" section of "SelfSite" as well. We'd just love to put them in their place!
(NEXT: Minor Self Lines, part 13)
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