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3 December 2004

Manning, Mannon, Manon, Mannen, Manen, Mannin, Manin, Surnames Y Chromosome DNA Study

A Manning Y Chromosome DNA study has being organized by Steven C. Perkins, mailto:SCPerkins@gmail.com a descendant of William Manning of Whitley Co., KY.

The Y chromosome only appears in males and is passed relatively unchanged from father to son. This makes it suited for study in surname projects. If you are a male with one of the surnames above, or the wife or sister of such a person, and you would be interested in participating or sponsoring someone in the study, please contact me at the address above or visit the page linked below.

The study is motivated by interest in providing evidence to support or disprove the alleged connections among Manning and Mannon families in New England and the southern states of the USA. Once Y DNA signatures are established, the project will try to determine the connections to Manning and Mannon families in the British Isles.

The first step is to determine the Y DNA signature of the 17th century Mannings. If your line can be traced back into the 1600s anywhere in British North America or the British Isles, please consider joining the study. Once we establish the Y DNA signatures of the 17th century families, we can then try to connect our dead-end lines by determining their Y DNA signatures and comparing those to the 17th century families. Even if you can not trace your Manning line back to the 1600's, please consider joining the study.

We are using Family Tree DNA as our testing facility. There are three tests available for the Y Chromosome from FTDNA. There is a 12 marker test available for $99.00 plus $2.00 p&h. There is a 25 marker test available for $169.00 plus $2.00 postage and handling and a 37 marker test for $229.00 plus $2.00 postage and handling. You can start with the 12 marker and have it upgraded to 25 markers for an additional $90.00 or to 37 markers for $149.00. A 25 marker result can be upgraded to 37 markers for $59.00.

This is an exciting project which can answer several vexing questions. I urge anyone interested in the study to visit the Manning Y DNA Study and send a request to join.

Disclaimer:

I am not an FTDNA Affliate and I do not make any money from this study.

Current Results:

There are 11 participants and all have returned their test kits and 8 results are on this page. The more participants in the study, the easier it will be to discern patterns of relationships among the various Manning families.

Manning Y DNA test results
Kit Number, Ancestor,
Location, and Date
Loci, DYS#, and Alleles reported by Family Tree DNA
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37
3
9
3
3
9
0
19/
3
9
4
3
9
1
3
8
5
a
3
8
5
b
4
2
6
3
8
8
4
3
9
3
8
9
i
3
9
2
3
8
9
ii
4
5
8
4
5
9
a
4
5
9
b
4
5
5
4
5
4
4
4
7
4
3
7
4
4
8
4
4
9
4
6
4
a
4
6
4
b
4
6
4
c
4
6
4
d
4
6
0
G
A
T
A
H
4
Y
C
A
IC
I
a
Y
C
A
IC
I
b
4
5
6
6
0
7
5
7
6
5
7
0
C
D
Y
a
C
D
Y
b
4
4
2
4
3
8
Haplogroup R1b
#8467, John Manning, Sr.
Charles Co., MD
b.1678+ 13 23 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 12 13 28 17 9 10 11 11 24 15 19 29 15 16 19 18 12 11 19 23 17 15 17 17 36 37 12 12
#9752, John Manning,
Soham, Cambs., Eng-Norfolk, VA
b.1615+ 13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 14 29 17 9 10 11 11 24 15 19 28 15 15 16 17 11 11 19 23 15 15 17 17 36 39 11 12
#13867, Isaac Mannin,
Washington Co., GA
b.~1790 13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 14 29 17 9 10 11 11 24 15 19 29 15 15 16 17
#10777, Jarvis Manning,
New England, USA
b.1790+ 13 24 14 11 12 13 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 29 15 16 17 17
#26450, Mannen,
Georgia, USA
b.1700s+ 13 24 14 11 12 13 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 29 15 16 17 17 10 12 19 23 15 15 18 18 35 37 12 12
#17520, Manning,
New ENgland, USA
???? 13 24 14 11 12 13 12 12 13 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 29 15 16 17 17
Haplogroup I
#9592, ?????
????
b.????+ 13 22 14 10 14 14 11 15 11 12 11 28 15 8 9 8 11 23 16 20 29 12 14 15 17
#13705, John Manning, Sr.
VA/Warren Co., KY
b.~1776 14 23 15 10 14 15 11 13 12 14 12 31 15 8 10 11 11 25 14 20 28 11 14 14 14

Analysis:

We appear to be dealing with at least five different Manning families. Three are in the R1b haplogroup. It is a very common haplogroup in Europeans. Two are in the I Haplogroup. The I Haplogroup is considered to be an invader haplogroup indicating a possible Germanic origin when found in families of English ancestry.

The individual test result is a haplotype. A Haplogroup is a collection of haplotypes which indicate descent from a common ancestor as far back as tens of thousands of years. In genetic genealogy we are concerned with finding matching haplotypes.

8467 has a 9/12 match with 9752 and 13867 at 12 markers. However, at 25 markers he is a distant match.

9752 and 13867 are a 24/25 match and should consider comparing their genealogy research to find the probable connection. This is believed to be the family of John Manning of Lower Norfolk Co., VA from Soham Parish, Cambridgeshire, England.

10777 believes he is from the New England Manning families. He is an exact match at 12 and 25 markers to 26450, who is from a Georgia Mannen family. He is 1 step from 17520 who also is from the New England line. 10777, 26450 and 17520 need to compare notes and see if they can find a connection.

He has a 5 and 6 step difference with 9752 and 13867 at 25 markers. This would indicate a connection between the families in the time period before surnames were commonly adopted. We need more participants from The New England families to see if this very distant connection can be confirmed.

17520 is also from the New England Mannings and he is has a 1 step difference from 10777 at 25 markers and this indicates a probable relationship. Both are urged to upgrade to 37 markers.

26450 is from a Georgia Mannen line. He is an exact match to 10777 and 1 step from 17520 at 25 markers. As suggested above, they need to compare their notes for connections.

9592 and 13705 are both in Haplogroup I, but their haplotypes are not close to each other.

We need more participants, particularly from the New England Manning families.

Anglo-Saxon, Norman, Viking, Celt?

At this time, it is not possible to absolutely differentiate between the Anglo-Saxons and the Scandinavian and Norman Vikings through DNA analysis, although the following articles make a start in that direction using Haplogroups of selected markers.
See,:
Helgason, etc., "Estimating Scandinavian and Gaelic Ancestry in the Male Settlers of Iceland", Am. J. Hum. Genet., 67:697-717, (2000);

and, this article:

Wilson, J. F., Weiss, D. A., Richards, M., Thomas, M. G., Bradman, N., Goldstein, D. B. "Genetic evidence for different male and female roles during cultural transitions in the British Isles". Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. U. S. A., vol 98 (9) p5078 (2001)",
contains evidence for the following preliminary table of Y DNA markers for Celtic/Basque, Anglo Saxon and Norwegian ancestry:

 
                                  DYS19/ 
         DYS388-DYS393-DYS392-DYS394-DYS390-DYS391 
Celtic/Basque:  12-----13-----13-----14-----24-----11  
Anglo Saxon:    14-----13-----11-----14-----22-----10 
Norwegian:      12-----13-----11-----16-----25-----11 
 
------------------------------------------------------ 
 
Other Y DNA marker sets: 
                                  DYS19/ 
         DYS388-DYS393-DYS392-DYS394-DYS390-DYS391 
Atlantic MH*    12     13     13     14     24     11 
Cohen    MH     16     12     11     14     23     10 
*=Celtic/Basque 
MH=Modal Haplotype       


Preliminary results from a more recent study are reported in this article from the BBC:
Nicola Cook, "Viking Genetics Survey Results", reporting on a study done by Prof. David B. Goldstein at University College London. Once Dr Goldstein's results are published, a link will be made to the paper.

More Information on DNA and Genealogy:

The following page at the University of Leicester contains links to primary scientific research on the Y chromosome: The Y Chromosome as a Marker for the History and Structure of Human Populations.

The following article is one of the more important discussions of Y DNA: Semino, et.al., "The Genetic Legacy of Paleolithic Homo sapiens sapiens in Extant Europeans: A Y chromosome Perspective", Science 2000, v 290, p.1155 et. seq.

This is a glossary of genetic terms: Talking Glossary of Genetic Terms from the National Human Genome Research Institute.

Information on Y DNA testing and Genetics in family history research is available from the following web page:
Chris Pomery's DNA Portal: DNA & the Family Historian.

This page by Dennis Garvey discusses Haplogroups and gives frequency tables for the possible variations: Haplogroups.

This page by Nancy Custer gives information on the Y-STR Loci Allele Frequencies as Reported in the Y-STR European and USA Databases.

Kevin Duerinck's page gives information on the various testing laboratories:
Genetics Laboratories and Testing Sites

See also:
GENEALOGY-DNA-L Listed URLs
and,
Genetics and Genealogy

There are online Y DNA databases for YSTR Europe, YSTR America and YSTR Asia at the Y STR sites.

There is a discussion list at Rootsweb. Instructions for subscribing and searching the archives are at this URL: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Miscellaneous/GENEALOGY-DNA.html.


Steven C. Perkins
SCPerkins@gmail.com