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3 October 2004

Creekmore, Crickmer, and Crickmay Surnames Y Chromosome DNA Study

A Creekmore surname Y Chromosome DNA study has being organized by Steven C. Perkins, SCPerkins@gmail.com a descendant of Edmond Creekmon of Norfolk County, Virginia. The Y chromosome is passed relative unchanged from father to son and only appears in males. This makes it suited for study in surname projects. If you are a male surnamed Creekmore, or the wife or sister of such a person, and you would be interested in participating or sponsoring someone in the study, please contact me at the address above or visit the page linked below.

The study is motivated by interest in providing evidence to support or disprove various Creekmore families traditions of descent from George Crickman of Norwich, Norfolk Co., England.

A first goal would be to determine the DNA signature of the documented descendants of Edmond Creekmon.

If participants from the Creekmore families in England can be found, an additional goal would be to determine the possible paternal line of George Crickman of Norwich, Norfolk, England. As Crickmer is often claimed to be a branch of the Crickmay family, we are also interested in testing Crickmay surnamed males.

We are using Family Tree DNA as our testing facility. There are three tests available for the Y Chromosome from FTDNA. There is a 12 marker test available for $99.00 plus $2.00 p&h. There is a 25 marker test available for $169.00 plus $2.00 postage and handling, and a 37 marker test for $229.00 plus $2.00 postage and handling. You can start with the 12 marker and have it upgraded to 25 markers for an additional $90.00 or to 37 markers for $149.00. A 25 marker result can be upgraded to 37 markers for $59.00.

At this time, an English Crickmer has agreed to participate. We also have four descendants of Edmond Creekman of Norfolk, Norfolk Co., VA being tested and a Creekmur. Six results are below. We need more volunteers from this line, the line of Edmond Creekmon, and the Norfolk and Suffolk, England, Crickmay family. We also need participants from the Australian and New Zealand Creekmur/Crickmer lines.

This is an exciting project which can answer several vexing questions. I urge anyone interested in the study to visit the Creekmore Y DNA Study and send a request to join.

Disclaimer

I am not an FTDNA Associate and I do not make any money from these tests.

Current Results

Ancestor, Location,
and Date
Loci, DYS#, and Alleles reported by Family Tree DNA
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
393
390
19/
394
391
385a
385b
426
388
439
389i
392
389ii
458
459a
459b
455
454
447
437
448
449
464a
464b
464c
464d
#10660, Richard Crickmer
Stepney
London, England
fl.1800+
13 25 15 10 11 13 12 12 10 14 11 31 15 9 9 11 11 24 14 20 30 12 15 16 16
#18792, Edmond Crickmon
Norfolk, Norfolk Co.,
Virginia
fl.1640+
13 24 14 10 11 11 12 12 12 13 13 28 17 9 9 11 11 26 15 19 29 15 15 17 17
#13646, David Crickmore
Norfolk, Norfolk Co.
Virginia
fl.1719+
13 25 15 11 11 14 12 12 10 14 11 31 16 9 9 11 11 23 14 20 30 12 14 16 16
#13683, David Crickmore
Norfolk, Norfolk Co.
Virginia
fl.1719+
13 25 15 11 11 14 12 12 10 14 11 31 16 9 9 11 11 23 14 20 30 12 15 16 16
#24161, Creekmur
??
Virginia
fl.??
13 25 15 11 11 14 12 12 10 14 11 31 16 9 9 11 11 23 14 20 30 12 15 16 16
#14057, David Crickmore
Norfolk, Norfolk Co.,
Virginia
fl.1719+
13 25 15 11 11 14 12 12 10 14 11 31 16 9 9 11 11 23 14 20 30 12 15 16 16

Analysis

We now have six results:
At 12 markers 10660 is 2 steps from the others, descendants of Robert and Ballantine Creekmore. At 25 markers 10660 is a 21/25 match to 13683 and 24161, a 20/25 match to 13646, and a 19/25 match to 14057.

At 12 markers 13646, 13683, 24161 and 14047 are perfect matches. At 25 markers 13646 is 1 24/25 match to 13683 and 24161, and a 22/25 match with 14057. While all are related, the analysis indicates the relationship of 10660 to the others is probably not within the past 1000 years.

The results of kit 18792 indicate that his line is not related to the others tested. This is a problem, since he also traces his ancestry back to Edmond Creekmon of Norfolk Co., VA. He is in y DNA haplogroup R1b, usually considered to indicate probable Celtic origin. However, a substantial percentage of the other invaders of England were also of R1b. The other results are in a haplotype that can be classed as part of Haplogroup HG3.65+, now called R1a. This Haplogroup is most common in Northern, Central, and Eastern Europe and Asia. When found in families from England, it is considered to represent probable Scandinavian ancestry.

In order to resolve this question, we should look for other Creekman descendants and for Creekmore descendants descended from the generation before Robert and Ballantine Creekmore. More volunteers for the Y DNA test are needed to allow us to make comparisons among the different Creekmore, Creekman, and Crickmer families. We also need Crickmay participants.

Anglo-Saxon, Norman, Viking, Celt?

At this time, it is not possible to absolutely differentiate between the Anglo-Saxons and the Scandinavian and Norman Vikings through DNA analysis, although the following articles make a start in that direction using Haplogroups of selected markers.
See,:
Helgason, etc., "Estimating Scandinavian and Gaelic Ancestry in the Male Settlers of Iceland", Am. J. Hum. Genet., 67:697-717, (2000);

and, this article:

Wilson, J. F., Weiss, D. A., Richards, M., Thomas, M. G., Bradman, N., Goldstein, D. B. "Genetic evidence for different male and female roles during cultural transitions in the British Isles". Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. U. S. A., vol 98 (9) p5078 (2001)",
contains evidence for the following preliminary table of Y DNA markers for Celtic/Basque, Anglo Saxon and Norwegian ancestry:

 
                                  DYS19/ 
         DYS388-DYS393-DYS392-DYS394-DYS390-DYS391 
Celtic/Basque:  12-----13-----13-----14-----24-----11  
Anglo Saxon:    14-----13-----11-----14-----22-----10 
Norwegian:      12-----13-----11-----16-----25-----11 
 
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Other Y DNA marker sets: 
                                  DYS19/ 
         DYS388-DYS393-DYS392-DYS394-DYS390-DYS391 
Atlantic MH*    12     13     13     14     24     11 
Cohen    MH     16     12     11     14     23     10 
*=Celtic/Basque 
MH=Modal Haplotype       


Preliminary results from a more recent study are reported in this article from the BBC:
Nicola Cook, "Viking Genetics Survey Results", reporting on a study done by Prof. David B. Goldstein at University College London. See, "A Y Chromosome Census of the British Isles" Current Biology 2003 13: 979-984, for the full report.

More Information on DNA and Genealogy:

The following page at the University of Leicester contains links to primary scientific research on the Y chromosome: The Y Chromosome as a Marker for the History and Structure of Human Populations.

The following article is one of the more important discussions of Y DNA: Semino, et.al., "The Genetic Legacy of Paleolithic Homo sapiens sapiens in Extant Europeans: A Y chromosome Perspective", Science 2000, v 290, p.1155 et. seq.

This is a glossary of genetic terms: Talking Glossary of Genetic Terms from the National Human Genome Research Institute.

Information on Y DNA testing and Genetics in family history research is available from the following web page:
Chris Pomery's DNA Portal: DNA & the Family Historian.

This page by Dennis Garvey discusses Haplogroups and gives frequency tables for the possible variations: Haplogroups.

This page by Nancy Custer gives information on the Y-STR Loci Allele Frequencies as Reported in the Y-STR European and USA Databases.

Kevin Duerinck's page gives information on the various testing laboratories:
Genetics Laboratories and Testing Sites

See also:
GENEALOGY-DNA-L Listed URLs
and,
Genetics and Genealogy

There are online Y DNA databases for YSTR Europe, YSTR America and YSTR Asia at the Y STR sites.

There is a discussion list at Rootsweb. Instructions for subscribing and searching the archives are at this URL: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Miscellaneous/GENEALOGY-DNA.html.


Steven C. Perkins
SCPerkins@gmail.com