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Schnakes in Chile
Web page for Chilean Schnakes http://vasquez-hermosilla.myheritage.com/
The Schnakes of Chile seem to have originated in the village of Dransfeld, north of Kassel. They were city dwellers and linen weavers in the early records. This web site deals mainly with the Schnakes of the Minden area. Dransfeld is near the Weser River just upstream from Minden, which was known for linen weavers. However, the Schnakes of the Minden area were all farmers. The life style and background of this family makes it seem that they are probably not related. They were in Dransfeld since at least 1700, and the early spellings of the Schnake name in Dransfeld (Schnaackens) were not found in any of the Minden Schnake records. But it is an interesting family and bears the same surname so SchnakeNet is proud to host information about our Chilean "cousins".
SchnakeNet would like to translate these pages into Spanish. Any Chilean Schnakes interested in helping?
Here is the information that has come in.
September, 1997 - I just received E-mail from Christian Schnake in Chile,
who discovered the Schnake page. He says there are hundreds of Schnakes in
Chile, all descended from a common ancestor, Heinrich Karl Schnake, born
Sept. 7, 1867, in Kassel, a city about 100 kilometers (about 65 miles) from
Minden. Here is Chris's message:
Dear Roy : I am happy to tell you about a numerous family of Schnake living
in Chile since the last years of XIX . My grandfather , Carl Schnake , borned
in Cassel at 1867 , arrived Valparaiso , Chile at 1887 approx. At the end
of 1890's married with Ema Vergara , and they had nine sons :Carlos , Oscar
, Enrique ( my father) , Elfride , Guillermo , Graciela , Adela , Hugo and
Waldo .Each of these formed his own families , so my father had six boys
(I'm the last) , and I have eleven boys with my woman Marcela Ferrer . So
, you can see that probably are many hundreds of Schnake in Chile ,all coming
fron the same root , and it was for me a beautiful surprise to know that
in the USA is there a large number of people , probably coming from one common
family. Excuse me for my poor English , and if you want to know something
more about the Chilean's Schnakes , please write me to : Christian Schnake
Silva email : schnferr@netline.cl: (Note: It is Spanish custom to follow
the family name with the mother's maiden name (I think that is correct),
so Christian Schnake Silva would indicate that his father is a Schnake and
that is his family name. -Webmaster) I asked Christian for further information
about his ancestor and he sent me the following:
Dear Roy : Here I send you some information that could be useful : from The Baptism Certificate from "Evangelisches Gemeindeamt aus Kassel " . It says : Zu und Vornammen : Schnake , Heinrich Karl ; geboren am 07 , September 1867 in Rothenditmold / jetzt Kassel-Rothenditmold getauft am 27. September 1867 in Kassel . Die Eltern : Vater : Schnake , Georg Friedrich Wilhelm ; Stand : Bürger und Weichensteller. Mutter : Jatho , Rosine Charlotte
Translation: Evangelical Parish Records of Kassel: sur- and forenames:
Schnake, Heinrich Karl, born on 7 September, 1868 in Rothenditmold, today
Kassel-Rothenditmold, baptized 27 September 1868 in Kassel. The parents:
Father - Schnake, Georg Friedrich Wilhelm, occupation: Townsman and railroad
switchman. Mother: Jatho, Rosine Charlotte.
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This message was on the newsgroup soc.genealogy.german on March 22, 1999
-----Original Message-----
From: Louis Saint Just <jclaissac@interior.gov.cl>
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.german
Date: Monday, March 22, 1999 3:56 PM
Subject: surname SCHNAKE
>Hi,
>My name is Jorge Claissac, and I´m born in CHILE. >My grandfather was named Karl Schnake. He arrived to Chile in 1890´s from Dransfeld. [Note: Dransfeld is north of Kassel]
>If somebody can tell me something about my german family, please send e-mail to jclaissac@interior.gov.cl
>My mother speak german.
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2/8/2000 The following message from Jorge
Dear Roy
I write you to send you more data about the Schnake in Chile.
My great-grandfather is the same grandfather of Christian Schnake that it has written you.
As was indicating to you Christian, my great-grandfather, Karl Schnake (Jatho), was born in Kassel, 7 of September of 1867, son of Georg Schnake and Charlotte Jatho. Around the end of century XIX, traveled to Chile as agent of the Bank Aleman of Settling, being based in Santiago. Expired in Santiago, 7 of September of 1958.
Here it was married with Emma Vergara González and it was father of 9 children: Carlos (1898 - 1960s), my grandfather; Oscar (1899-1974) - medical, that it was founding and first Secretary-General of the Socialistic Party of Chile, currently in the government, Senator, Public Work Minister, and ambassador of Chile - ; Enrique - father of Christian -; Elfride , Guillermo , Graciela , Adela , Hugo and Waldo. All they already they have expired.
The Descendants
1. - Carlos Schnake Vergara, attorney. Married with Javiera Padilla Zapata in 1923, had 4 children: Alice (married with Gastón Sáez Rondanelli, 8 children: Margarita, María Luisa, Gastón, Juan, Carmen Gloria, Miguel, Marcela and Rodrigo); Hilda (married with her cousin Erich Schnake, 3 children -currently resident in France: Viviana, Erika and Alfonso); Carlos (married with Adriana Vásquez, 7 children: Carlos, Patricio, Cecilia, Verónica, Fernando, Ana María and Loreto), and Javiera - my mother -, born october 29 , 1945 (married with Jorge Claissac, 4 children: Jorge - I, been born october 18, 1969; Pablo, been born october 22, 1970; Francisco Javier, been born october 9, 1971 and María Ignacia, born january 23, 1978).
2. - Oscar Schnake Vergara, medical . Married for the first time with Graciela Contreras - that it was mayor of Santiago -, had two children : Jorge and a daughter whose name do not remember. Married for the second time with Gilliane Balmaceda - niece of the President of Chile, José Manuel Balmaceda -, it did not had children of this marriage.
(E-mail message from Germany 5/4/2000 says her hame was Claudia. The person sending the message says he is a friend. The friend says that she married first Achim Domnick.)
3. - Enrique Schnake Vergara, architect. Married for the first time with Marina Silva Maturana, it had 4 children of this marriage: Marine (married with I Drago Vodanovic, 3 children: Hernán - that it was Senator of the Socialistic Party; Victoria and Natalio), Adriana (married for the first time with a surname doctor Varas, I believe that has 3 children; Enrique, married with a surname Mrs. Lara, seems me that have 4 children); and Erich - attorney, been born in 1930s, that it was deputy (1969-1973) and Senator (1973), of the Socialistic Party. Married 4 times, with Hilda Schnake Padilla (3 children), Wallie Neale (4 children. Loreto, María José, Felipe y Francisca), Pillar Walker (1 son. Erich) and Florencia Díaz (3 children). Married for the second time with Olga Silva, it had 2 children: Christian and Alex.
4. - Elfride Schnake Vergara, married with a surname sir Araya, had 3 children: Raquel, Gabriel and Adriana.
5. - Guillermo Schnake Vergara, married, had 3 children: Guillermo, Robert and Emma (Married with Jorge Casagrande, 1 daughter: Claudia)
6. - Graciela Schnake Vergara, married, it did not had children.
7. - Adela Schnake Vergara, single, it did not had children.
8. - Hugo Schnake Vergara. single, it did not had children and died being very youth.
9. - Waldo Schnake Vergara. married for the first time with a surname Mrs. Bilbao, had 1 son, named Hugo (Married for the first time with Malba Ibar, father from Hugo, Malba and Alex. It is married for the second time in Venezuela, where it resides currently, but do not know greater data). Married for the second time with "Mema" Fernández, Waldo had 4 children of this marriage: Waldo, Hermann, Teresa and Palmira.
In the generation of the great great gransons of the first Schnake in Chile, do not know which can be their number.
Additionally, I comment you that my great-grandfather was based in the central zone of Chile, first in Santiago, being moved after retired to the south zone, to some 800 kilometers of the capital. More to the south (Puerto Montt, to some 1000 kilometers to the south of Santiago), is found other family Schnake, with the one which never we have had greater contact, but that has their origin in a cousin of my great-grandfather, named Francisco Schnake. Of that familiar line can not provide you greater antecedent, but be that are an important group of people.
I wait that this information could be you of usefulness. I will attempt to complete more my data. If you need additional information, I will try to send it you.
Regards from Chile,
Jorge Claissac Schnake.
PD. In Chile, first is used the surname of the father and then that of the mother.
From: "Gonzalo Vasquez" <gvasquez@stem.cl>
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 1:40 PM
Subject: My addition to the Schnake book
Dear Roy,
I include an RTF file with the descendants of my grandmother (Javiera
Alice Schnake), which is Jorge Claissac's aunt, in fact Jorge is my
mother's cousin.
Regards, Gonzalo Vasquez Saez
1. JAVIERA ALICE SCHNAKE PADILLA, b. 22 Jan 1925, TRAIGUEN. She married GASTON ESTEBAN SAEZ RONDANELLI, 29 Jan 1949, b. 17 Jan 1915, COIHUECO, (son of EMILIO SAEZ MORALES and MARGARITA RONDANELLI QUEZADA).
Children:
2. i MARGARITA ALICE SAEZ SCHNAKE b. 21 Dec 1949.ii MARIA LUISA PILAR SAEZ SCHNAKE, b. 21 Jun 1951. She married CRISTOBAL DAVID WENBORNE LEHMANN, 30 Jul 1988, b. 11 Jan 1950, SANTIAGO.
3. iii GASTON CARLOS EMILIO SAEZ SCHNAKE b. 31 Jan 1953.
4. iv JUAN ESTEBAN SAEZ SCHNAKE b. 24 Jun 1954.
5. v CARMEN GLORIA SAEZ SCHNAKE b. 6 Feb 1956.
6. vi MIGUEL EDUARDO SAEZ SCHNAKE b. 4 Aug 1958.
vii MARCELA INES SAEZ SCHNAKE, b. 16 Jan 1961. She married RICARDO CLEMENTE BELTRAMI MECKES, 9 Mar 1991, b. 10 May 1954.
7. viii RODRIGO ANDRES SAEZ SCHNAKE b. 13 Jan 1967.
Second Generation
2. MARGARITA ALICE SAEZ SCHNAKE, b. 21 Dec 1949. She married CARLOS MANUEL VASQUEZ SAPUNAR, 20 Dec 1975, b. 4 May 1946, PUNTA ARENAS.
Children:
i GONZALO EMILIO VASQUEZ SAEZ, b. 19 Oct 1976, PUNTA ARENAS.ii CARLOS JOSE VASQUEZ SAEZ, b. 22 Jan 1980, PUNTA ARENAS.
iii MANUEL ALEJANDRO VASQUEZ SAEZ, b. 24 Jan 1983, PUNTA ARENAS.
3. GASTON CARLOS EMILIO SAEZ SCHNAKE, b. 31 Jan 1953, CONCEPCION. He married ROXANA PILAR GAMIO SALINAS, 14 Mar 1992, in SANTIAGO, b. 24 Jun 1957, SANTIAGO.
Children:i GASTON ARTURO SAEZ GAMIO, b. 27 May 1993, SANTIAGO.
ii MARIA JESUS SAEZ GAMIO, b. 24 Jun 1995, SANTIAGO.
4. JUAN ESTEBAN SAEZ SCHNAKE, b. 24 Jun 1954. He married FRESIA HERMINIA IRRIBARRA MUÑOZ, 24 Feb 1979, b. 20 Mar 1950.
Children:i PAULINA ANDREA SAEZ IRRIBARRA, b. 9 Sep 1985.
ii MARIA IGNACIA SAEZ IRRIBARRA, b. 23 Dec 1989.
5. CARMEN GLORIA SAEZ SCHNAKE, b. 6 Feb 1956. She married MARIO ARMANDO PEÑAFIEL GONZALEZ, 22 Nov 1980, b. 23 Aug 1951.
Children:i MARIO ARMANDO PEÑAFIEL SAEZ, b. 6 Aug 1981.
ii FRANCISCO JAVIER PEÑAFIEL SAEZ, b. 27 Jan 1983.
iii JOSE IGNACIO PEÑAFIEL SAEZ, b. 23 Jun 1988.
6. MIGUEL EDUARDO SAEZ SCHNAKE, b. 4 Aug 1958. He married GERTHY EVELYN HERNAIZ TRAUB, 1987, b. 25 Mar 1966.
Children:i MIGUEL FELIPE SAEZ HERNAIZ, b. 22 Jul 1986, CHILLAN.
ii KAREN ALEJANDRA SAEZ HERNAIZ, b. 29 Feb 1988, CHILLAN.
7. RODRIGO ANDRES SAEZ SCHNAKE, b. 13 Jan 1967. He married MONICA PAOLA ZUÑIGA JARA, 4 Nov 1994.
Children:i JAVIERA ANDREA SAEZ ZUÑIGA, b. 21 Apr 1995, CHILLÁN.
The following received May 2003:
Dear Roy and Doris:
First at all,thank you for your interest in to discover all of de branchies of our family.I hope you can understand me and, you excuse ,me for my very,very bad english.
My name is Javiera Schnake,I am 57.my husband is Jorge Claissac van Cauwelaert and I have three sons and a daughter (Jorge,Pablo,Javier and María Ignacia Claissac Schnake)
Sometimes ago y decided to write toDransfeld`s Municipal office ,(Germany),in search of some information about my family ,because y know that some family members borned there.They were very very diligents and I received two letters of two wonderful persons,Vera Ludvig andDagmar Freye.they sent me a valius information and I will be grateful, for ever and ever.I have a great sense of family and then they make me an emotive present
After my father's died in 1960 I never knew something about my family in Germany.I know many about it. but the letters an many other things dissapeared, when my olders uncles died.
Well, my father was Carlos Schnake Vergara( born 16/2/1898,died 21/6/1960; Lawyer),he married Javiera Padilla,my mother(born 2/2/1903 died 9/5/1983).
My grandfather was Heinrich Karl Schnake(7/9/1868 in Rothenditmold,jetz Kassel Rothenditmold,Haus Nr12 1/2 and my grandmother Ema Vergara Gonzalez..His father was Georg Friedrich,Wilhem Schnake (b.16/10/1836 in Dransfeld +6/12/1921.Burger&Weichensteller)He married Rosine Charlotte Jatho..They had a number of children.Two of them coming here to Chile.my grandfather and my uncle Friedrich.the others were Heinrich Wilhem born in 1866,Friedrich Wilhem,born in 1879,August,Hermann Friedrich born in 1883,Minna,Helena,Frieda.
Georg's father was Georg Wilhem Schnake(b.7/5/1772.he was twin brother with Johann Cristoph Schnake.
Dear Roy and Doris I include, in this very extensive email,my Family Tree.and a Photo-FriedSchnake.,there you can understand easily.
Looking forward to hearing from you,my best wishes.
Javiera Schnake
javischnake@hotmail.com
claissacschnake@mi.cl
Javiera sent the following informtion and picture (translation follows):
Translation:
(1) Christoph Schnacken born before 1709
(2) Jürgen Christoph Schnake (Schnaacken)
born April 1705
Died 30 Dec 1758 in Dransfeld 53 Jahre 8 Monat (53 years 8 months)
(3) Johann Christian Snackens
1774 Leineweber Haus 84 (1774 Linen weaver House 84)
Born ca 1735 D.2 Jan 1799 in Dransfeld
Married with Marie Elisabeth Koch
Twin sons (shown in the following table)
| (4) Georg Wilhelm b. 7 Mai 1772-----------------> Leineweber (Linen Weaver)
(5) Georg Friedr. Wilhelm Schnake b. 16 Oct 1836 3 children listed:
(6) Heinr. Wilh. b. 5 Jan 1866 |
(4) Johann Christoph Schnaacke b. 7 Mai 1772 in Dransfeld Leineweber 1815 Haus 86 (Linenweaver 1815 House 86) died 23 April 1839 in Dransfeld
(5) Heinrich Christoph Schnacke b. 20 Feb. 1809 in Dransfeld
(6) August Friedrich Karl Wilhelm Schnacke |
The stamp says the above evidence was compiled by Joachim Jünemann,
Rosenstrasse 9, 3402 Dransfeld 1, Historische und Volkskundliche Forschung
(Historical and folklore searches), Mar 2 1880.
Picture of Friedrich Schnake family
Handwritten information above the picture says that Friedrich Schnake was the brother of Heinrich Christoph, but the chart above shows that Heinrich Christoph was a cousin, the child of his father's twin brother.
Note that theabove information shows the mother's name as "Helena geb. (born) Jatho" The baptismal certificate of Heinrich Karl states that his mother was Rosine Charlotte Jatho. Found on the Mormon IGI was the following: Jatho, Dorothee Rosine Wilhelmine Charlotte, b. 3 Feb. 1837, Dransfeld, Hannover, Prussia. This is undoubtedly the correct person. Perhaps the "Helena" was a form of the name Wilhelmine. The grandmother (Grossmutter), Frieda geb. (born) Klippal, was probably his mother; IGI records show that Dorothee Rosine Wilhelmine Charlotte Jatho's mother was Dorothee Rosine Charlotte Eilers.
Important links:
I wrote a beautiful song for the 50th wedding anniversary of my in-laws 20 years
ago. It is now available on CD and I havae set up several Internet sites to sell
it. Go to any of the following:
Golden Love site at
http://goldenlove.att.net
Golden Love site on SchnakeNet
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~schnake/goldenlove.htm
Golden Love site on Pace Network
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pace/goldenlove.htm
Golden Love on FortuneCity
http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/cern/1343/ or
http://www.nav.to/compu-tutor1
Rick Schnake has an interesting hobby/part time business. He collects
and sells authentic historic signatures on original documents. He has US
Presidents and many other historical figures represented. Why not check
it out?
Rick's main site at "http://www.historyinink.com"
Mirror site on Schnakenet
at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~schnake/HistoryInInk.htm
Mirror site on Pace Network
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pace/HistoryInInk.htm