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STATLER Y-CHROMOSOME DNA PROJECT

Friday, May 27, 2016

Goal

To show relationships between families with the surname of Statler, Stetler, Stadler, Stotler or any other related spelling.

 

Conclusions to Date

40 kits have now have results.  The latest is # 495971 a descendant of Jacob Stotler a member of Group 6.  The results are compared for matching markers, two participants at a time. I consider him a match to the other Group 6 members.  We could certainly use more Group 6 participants.

For purposes of this project a match of 25 out of 25 markers is perfect and 24 of 25 is very good.  Even a match of 23 of 25 markers could be considered a match. 

 

There is a pattern connecting Groups 2, 4 and 8 though we don’t have two participants per Group, I believe there is a connection between those Groups.  Group 2 is one marker off Group 4, and Group 8 differs from Group 2 in two places.  The results for Group 16 are three markers off the results of Group 2 and Group 8, and four off the results of Group 4.   Even though not a clear match I believe that Group 16 has a male ancestor in common with Groups 2, 4 and 8.  This indicates, since the name Stutler is not found in Europe, this family name was originally Stettler, which is a Swiss name.  Since the second Group 16 participant did not show a closer match to Groups 2, 4 or 8, in my opinion the connection between the Groups would be in Europe.  

 

Groups 6, 7, 9, 10 and 14 have been confirmed by at least two matching tests each.  Each of those Groups has a distinct pattern. 

The Group 17 results match 23 of 25 markers and are a probable match, but since the results are common they also match many other persons with different surnames.  More participants would put the match on firmer footing.  “Common results” are those which match people with many different surnames.

 

There are two matching results from Group 11 but the participants are close cousins so we can’t be sure were know the results for the entire Group.  Now we have matching results from a Stadler male the Group 11 results are on firmer footing.

 

The rest of the kits do not match anyone else in our project, so all we can conclude so far is that these individuals are not related in the male line, until each Group is confirmed with a match it is not certain if their results represent their Group as a whole. 

 

Requirements for a complete study

  1. At least one participant from each group if we get matches.  For instance if a participant from Group X matches one from Group Y and we have good conventional genealogy to tie them to their respective Groups we can conclude that the two immigrants that define those two Groups are related.
  2. If a participant from Group X matches no other participant we need to make sure that his Y-chromosome reflects his entire Group so another participant in that Group is needed with a connection as far back as possible.  For instance if one participant is descended from one son of the immigrant, testing a descendant of another son of the immigrant would be best.
  3. If two participants from the same Group do not match a third participant is necessary.

 

 

Participation

Participants are needed for many Groups as only Groups 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 14, 16 and 17 have been verified by two matching results.

Stadler/Stattler/Stettler participants from Europe or whose ancestors came to America in the 19th or 20th centuries are welcome to join.

When I started the Statler Project, the 12 marker test was the norm and the 24 marker test was the highest you could go.

Family Tree DNA no longer offers a Y chromosome test for less than 37 Markers unless you join a project. 

If you wish to do more testing for your own use I would be happy to advise you.

You can sign up for the project and testing directly through the Family Tree DNA website:

http://www.ftdna.com/surname_join.aspx?code=Y53712&special=true

 

If you are a male with a Statler (Stadler, Stettler, Stetler, Stotler, Stutler, Stiteler, etc) surname and don’t know your Group, or are a descendant of a latter immigrant, or live outside the USA you are welcome to participate.  If you don’t know your Group and are willing to participate I will help establish your Group.

 

Privacy: In addition to the privacy policy at Family Tree DNA, the identity of the participants of this project are not revealed unless they do so themselves.

 

Caution: There is a very small percentage, (about 1%) of men whose Y chromosome will not match others of their surname group.  If this was to happen to you and you would be very upset, please don’t take the test.  The reason could be something like an informal adoption six generations ago, but only you would know how you would feel.  Update 7/22/07 since we have had 3 results that do not match their Group that 1% figure is too small, but the advice is the same.

 

New Autosomal Test

Recently Autosomal DNA tests have become available for less than $100.  This test can be taken by men or women and reflects you inheritance from both parents.  The test at Family Tree DNA is called Family Finder.  Ancestry.com has essentially the same test.  I tested at both companies in 2014.  There is more information here. 

The same caution should be taken as with the Y chromosome test.  If you need not to know about the sexual indiscretions or misbehavior of your ancestors stay away from DNA testing.

 

Test Basics

Y-chromosome testing provides only information about an unbroken male line, a man, his father, grandfather and on back so it is very suited for surname studies.  No health information is obtained by the test, nor is it possible to determine any physical characteristics with this test. 

The test is made by collecting cells from the inside of the cheek with a small brush.  The testing is handled by Family Tree DNA http://www.ftdna.com/

 

Meaning of the results: the numbers (Alleles) describe a pattern of repeats at a certain location (Locus) on the chromosome; these locations are given numbers (DYS#). By themselves the numbers (Alleles) don’t mean much; it is only when we compare the results of individuals, two at a time, that we get meaningful information.  This process adds to conventional genealogical research it does not replace it.

 

Links to learn more about Y-chromosome testing

There is abundant information on using DNA for surname projects.  Here are just a few links:

http://isogg.org/wiki/Y_chromosome_DNA_test

 

The Wells site: the Wells Surname Project was featured in a Wall Street Journal article, March 6, 2003

http://www.rootsweb.com/~wellsfam/wfraone.html  

The Blair site with a DNA 101 page with detailed background information

http://blairdna.com/

 

Current participants:

 Kit#    Group:     Ancestors

10775  Group 1: Descendant of Daniel Stettler (Further research indicates possible adoption several generations ago)

21525  Group 1: Descendant of Daniel Stettler through his son Philip Stettler and grandson Andrew.

10716  Group 2: Descendant of Jesse Stetler of Wayne and Randolph County Indiana see Group 2

6916    Group 4: Descendant of Abraham Stettler through his son Christian Statler, who moved to Miami County, Ohio.

8544    Group 6: Descendant of Rudolph Stotler through his son Emanuel.

9566    Group 6: Descendant of Samuel Statler through his son John S. Statler of Bedford County, PA.

495971 Group 6: Descendant of Jacob Stotler through his son Henry of Allegheny County PA

18172  Group 7: Descendant of Peter Stotler through his son John P and his grandson David.

161025 Group 7: Descendant of Peter Stotler through his son John P and his grandson Jacob.

7816    Group 8: Descendant of Abraham Statler through his Grandson Samuel, who moved to Clinton County, Ohio and Samuel’s son John.

68506  Group 8: Descendant of Abraham Statler through his Grandson Samuel, who moved to Clinton County, Ohio and Samuel’s son James.

9793    Group 9: Descendant of Henry Stotler of Belmont County, Ohio.

14565  Group 9: Descendant of John Stotler of Berkeley County, now Morgan County WV.

39602  Group 9: Descendant of Mathias Stotler of Belmont and Knox Counties, Ohio.

50299  Group 9: Descendant of William M. Stotlar probable grandson of Mathias Stotler of Grant County Indiana.

6915    Group 10: Descendant of Stephen Stradler/Stateler through his son George, who moved to Spencer County, Indiana.

11960  Group 10: Descendant of Jacob Stateler/Statler of Monongalia County (West) VA through his son Joseph Stotler/Stotlar, who moved to Brown County, Ohio.

162037 Group 10: Descendant of Jacob Stateler of Morrow County, Ohio through his son James Statler, who moved to Berrien County, MI.

18163  Group 11: Descendant of Jacob Stotler through his son Christian.

73641 Group 11: Descendant of Jacob Stotler through his son Christian (close cousin of the other Group 11 member).

25651  Group 14: Descendant of Johann Adam Stadler through his grandson Peter Statler.

28374  Group 14: Descendant of Johann Adam Stadler through his grandson Conrad Statler (Does not match the other results, further research needed).

35591  Group 14: Descendant of Johann Adam Stadler through his grandson Adam Statler.

N21597 Group 14: Descendant of Johann Adam Stadler.

34167  Group 16: Descendant of John Stutler through his son Elias Stutler.

42517  Group 16: Descendant of John Stutler through his son John Stutler II.

6913    Group 17: Descendant of George V Stetler through his son Henry.

17692  Group 17: Descendant of George V Stetler through his son Jacob.

89439  Group 17: Descendant of George V Stetler through his son Jacob Stetler (Does not match the other results, further research needed).

6914    Unknown Group: Descendant of Valentine Stetler who lived in Union County Pennsylvania through son Nicolas.

30094  Unknown Group: Descendant of John George Staedler 1851 immigrant from Nuremberg, Bavaria.

43890  Unknown Group: Descendant of John M. Stadler 1854 immigrant from Bavaria who lived in Indiana, Kansas and Oklahoma.

43996  Unknown Group: Descendant of Peter Statler of Somerset County, Pennsylvania who emigrated from Germany about 1837.

69069  Unknown Group: Descendant of Henry Stetler of York County, Pennsylvania.

126455 Unknown Group: Descendant of Conrad Stadler family of Michigan who emigrated in 1865 from Germany.

N72165 Unknown Group: Stadler surname (Matches the Group 11 results)

N82026 Unknown Group: Descendant of Samuel Stetler of Luzerne County, Pennsylvania. Matches Groups 2 and 4.

GT342E6 Unknown Group: Descendant of Gabriel Stadler 1839-1893, an 1860 immigrant from Deidesheim. (Tested by another company)

214519 Unknown Group: Descendant of Andrew D. Stotler of Ohio.

487151 Unknown Group: Descendant of Emanuel Stetler of Lancaster County, PA

CONNECTED GROUPS

 

 

DYS Numbers

Kit #

Group

3
9
3

3
9
0

1
9

3
9
1

3
8
5
a

3
8
5
b

4
2
6

3
8
8

4
3
9

3
8
9
|
1

3
9
2

3
8
9
|
2

4
5
8

4
5
9
a

4
5
9
b

4
5
5

4
5
4

4
4
7

4
3
7

4
4
8

4
4
9

4
6
4
a

4
6
4
b

4
6
4
c

4
6
4
d

10716

2

13

24

15

10

11

14

12

12

12

14

13

30

19

9

10

11

11

26

14

19

28

15

15

16

17

6916

4

13

24

15

10

11

14

12

12

12

14

13

30

19

9

10

11

11

26

14

19

28

15

16

17

 

7816

8

13

24

15

10

11

14

12

12

12

15

13

31

19

9

10

11

11

25

14

19

28

15

15

16

17

68506

8

13

24

15

10

11

14

12

12

12

15

13

31

19

9

10

11

11

25

14

19

28

15

15

16

17

34167

16

12

24

15

10

11

14

12

12

12

14

13

30

19

8

10

11

11

25

14

19

28

15

15

16

17

42517

16

12

24

15

10

11

14

12

12

12

14

13

30

19

8

10

11

11

25

14

19

28

15

15

16

17

 

CONFIRMED GROUPS

 

 

DYS Numbers

Kit# 

Group

3
9
3

3
9
0

1
9

3
9
1

3
8
5
a

3
8
5
b

4
2
6

3
8
8

4
3
9

3
8
9
|
1

3
9
2

3
8
9
|
2

4
5
8

4
5
9
a

4
5
9
b

4
5
5

4
5
4

4
4
7

4
3
7

4
4
8

4
4
9

4
6
4
a

4
6
4
b

4
6
4
c

4
6
4
d

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

9566

6

13

23

14

11

12

14

12

12

12

12

13

28

17

9

9

11

11

25

15

19

29

15

16

17

17

8544

6

13

23

14

11

12

14

12

12

12

12

13

28

17

9

10

11

11

25

15

19

29

15

16

17

17

495971

6

13

23

14

11

12

14

12

12

12

13

13

29

17

9

10

11

11

25

15

19

29

14

16

17

17

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

18172

7

14

22

14

11

13

14

11

14

12

12

11

28

16

9

8

11

23

16

20

29

11

14

15

15

161025

7

14

22

14

11

13

14

11

14

12

12

11

28

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

14565

 9

12

24

14

10

11

11

12

12

12

14

13

32

17

9

10

11

11

25

15

18

28

14

15

16

17

9793

 9

12

24

14

10

11

11

12

12

12

14

13

33

17

9

10

11

11

25

15

18

28

14

15

16

17

39602

50299

 9

12

24

14

10

11

11

12

12

12

14

13

33

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

11960

10

12

22

14

10

13

13

11

14

13

13

11

29

16

8

9

8

11

23

16

20

28

12

14

15

15

6915

10

12

22

14

10

13

13

11

14

13

13

11

29

16

8

9

8

11

23

16

20

28

12

14

15

15

162037

10

12

22

14

10

13

13

11

14

13

13

11

29

16

8

9

8

11

23

16

20

28

12

14

15

15

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

6913

17

13

24

14

11

11

14

12

12

13

13

13

29

17

9

10

11

11

25

15

19

30

15

15

16

17

17692

17

13

23

14

11

11

14

12

12

13

13

13

29

17

9

10

11

11

25

14

19

30

15

15

16

17

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

25651

14

13

25

15

10

11

15

12

12

11

13

11

29

16

9

10

11

11

24

14

20

31

12

15

15

16

35591

N21597

14

13

25

15

10

11

15

12

12

11

13

11

29

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

UNCONFIRMED GROUPS

 

 

DYS Numbers

Kit #

Group

3
9
3

3
9
0

1
9

3
9
1

3
8
5
a

3
8
5
b

4
2
6

3
8
8

4
3
9

3
8
9
|
1

3
9
2

3
8
9
|
2

4
5
8

4
5
9
a

4
5
9
b

4
5
5

4
5
4

4
4
7

4
3
7

4
4
8

4
4
9

4
6
4
a

4
6
4
b

4
6
4
c

4
6
4
d

6914

Unk

13

25

14

12

11

13

12

12

12

13

14

29

19

9

10

11

11

25

15

18

27

15

16

16

17

30094

Unk

13

23

14

10

11

14

12

12

13

13

13

30

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

GT342E6

Unk

13

23

15

10

11

14

12

12

11

13

13

29

17

9

11

11

11

24

15

17

30

15

16

17

17

43890

Unk

12

24

14

11

11

14

12

12

13

14

14

30

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

43996

Unk

13

25

15

10

11

16

12

12

10

13

11

30

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

69069

Unk

13

25

17

11

16

16

11

14

11

12

11

28

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

126455

Unk

13

24

14

10

11

14

12

12

12

14

13

30

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

N82026

Unk

13

24

15

10

11

14

12

12

12

14

13

30

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

214519

Unk

13

24

14

11

11

17

12

12

15

13

13

29

17

9

10

11

11

25

15

19

28

15

15

17

17

21525

1

13

24

15

10

11

14

12

12

12

13

13

29

17

9

10

11

11

24

15

19

30

15

15

16

17

10775

(1)

13

22

15

10

14

14

11

14

11

12

11

28

15

8

9

8

11

23

16

20

28

12

14

15

15

N72165

Unk

13

24

13

10

15

18

11

12

12

13

11

30

16

9 

9

11

11

25

14

20

31

14

16

17

17

18163

11

13

24

13

10

15

18

11

12

12

13

11

30

16

9

11

11

25

14

20

31

14

16

17

17

73641

11

13

24

13

10

15

18

11

12

13

13

11

30

16

9

9

11

11

25

14

20

31

14

16

17

17

28374

(14)

13

23

14

10

14

15

11

14

11

12

11

28

15

8

9

8

11

23

16

21

28

12

14

15

15

89439

(17)

13

23

14

10

13

16

11

14

11

12

11

28

15

8

9

8

11

23

16

20

29

12

14

14

16

487151

Unk

13

24

14

10

11

14

12

12

12

13

13

30

19

9

9

11

11

24

15

19

30

14

15

17

17

 

Explanation of Shading: Scientists have broken down all Y chromosomes into Haplogroups.  There have been most common values found for Haplogroup R1b.  Most of the participants appear to be part of Haplogroup R1b (The most common European Group).  Turquoise represents those numbers which match the most common values of R1b.  Then since Groups 4 and 8 were close to a match I shaded their common values with purple.  Then I shaded other matches.  This helps me see differences and matches, I hope it helps others.

The Group 7 and 10 participants appear to be part of Haplogroup I1a another common European Haplogroup.

 

A few years ago the names of the Haplogroups changed to reflect the most recent common SNP (Single Nucleotide Polymorphism).  R1b is now R-M289 and I1a is now I-M253.

 

Red DYS Numbers:  Family Tree DNA states that the alleles (markers) with the red labels mutate (change) more often on average than the other markers.  In looking at the results so far, that doesn’t seem to be the case for these results.  For instance the Group 2 person varies from the most common values of R1b on 3 “fast” mutating markers and 5 “slower” ones.  It is believed that the original R1b “patriarch” had values very close to the most common values, and some his descendants do not show mutations and some have many. 

 

Questions? Please contact Sandra Jones Hall