Thursday, September 16, 2010
Goal
To show relationships between families with the surname of Statler, Stetler, Stadler, Stotler or any other related spelling.
Conclusions to Date
37 kits have now have results. The latest are Kit#N82026 which is from a Stetler from Luzerne County PA and is a match to Group 2 and 4, and Kit # GT342E6 a Stadler with no matches at this time.
The results are compared for matching markers, two participants at a time.
A match of 25 out of 25 markers is perfect and 24 of 25 is very good. Even a match of 23 of 25 markers could be considered a match.
There is a pattern connecting Groups 2, 4 and 8 though we don’t have two participants per Group, I believe there is a connection between those Groups. Group 2 is one marker off Group 4, and Group 8 differs from Group 2 in two places. The results for Group 16 are three markers off the results of Group 2 and Group 8, and four off the results of Group 4. Even though not a clear match I believe that Group 16 has a male ancestor in common with Groups 2, 4 and 8. This indicates, since the name Stutler is not found in Europe, this family name was originally Stettler, which is a Swiss name. Since the second Group 16 participant did not show a closer match to Groups 2, 4 or 8, in my opinion the connection between the Groups would be in Europe.
Groups 6, 7, 9, 10 and 14 have been confirmed by at least two matching tests each. Each of those Groups has a distinct pattern.
The Group 17 results match 23 of 25 markers and are a probable match, but since the results are common they also match many other persons with different surnames. More participants would put the match on firmer footing.
There are two matching results from Group 11 but the participants are close cousin so we can’t be sure were know the results for the entire Group. Now we have matching results from a Stadler male the Group 11 results are on firmer footing.
The rest of the kits do not match anyone else in our project, so all we can conclude so far is that these individuals are not related in the male line, until each Group is confirmed with a match it is not certain if their results represent their Group as a whole.
Requirements for a
complete study
Participation
Participants are needed for many Groups as only Groups 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 14, 16 and 17 have been verified by two matching results.
It also would be very helpful to have more Stadler/Stattler/Stettler participants from Europe or whose ancestors came to America in the 19th or 20th centuries.
Some funding is currently available for testing: contact Sandra Jones Hall
You can sign up directly through the Family Tree DNA website:
http://www.ftdna.com/surname_join.aspx?code=Y53712&special=true
Since the results we have so far are fairly unusual for any Group except Group 17 and the second Group 1 participant, using the 12 marker test instead of the 25 marker test is will tell us if a new participant matches any of the results we have to date. Any Group 1 or Group 17 person should be tested at the 25 marker level. It is possible now to test more markers but that is not necessary for this project. We have some participants who have tested more markers but including those results would just make the file for this page even larger and it is very big.
If you are a male with a Statler (Stadler, Stettler, Stetler, Stotler, Stutler, Stiteler, etc) surname and don’t know your Group, or are a descendant of a latter immigrant, or live outside the USA you are welcome to participate. If you don’t know your Group and are willing to participate I will help establish your Group.
Privacy: In addition to the privacy policy at Family Tree DNA, the identity of the participants of this project are not revealed unless they do so themselves.
Caution: There is a very small percentage, (about 1%) of men whose Y chromosome will not match others of their surname group. If this was to happen to you and you would be very upset, please don’t take the test. The reason could be something like an informal adoption six generations ago, but only you would know how you would feel. Update 7/22/07 since we have had 3 results that do not match their Group that 1% figure is too small, but the advice is the same.
Test Basics
Y-chromosome testing provides only information about an unbroken male line, a man, his father, grandfather and on back so it is very suited for surname studies. No health information is obtained by the test, nor is it possible to determine any physical characteristics with this test.
The test is made by collecting cells from the inside of the cheek with a small brush. The testing is handled by Family Tree DNA http://www.ftdna.com/
Meaning of the results: the numbers (Alleles) describe a pattern of repeats at a certain location (Locus) on the chromosome; these locations are given numbers (DYS#). By themselves the numbers (Alleles) don’t mean much; it is only when we compare the results of individuals, two at a time, that we get meaningful information. This process adds to conventional genealogical research it does not replace it.
Links to learn more
about Y-chromosome testing
There is abundant information on using DNA for surname projects. Here are just a few links:
List of other surname projects
The Wells site: the Wells Surname Project was featured in a Wall Street Journal article, March 6, 2003
http://www.rootsweb.com/~wellsfam/wfraone.html
The Blair site with a DNA 101 page with detailed background information
http://blairgenealogy.com/dna/
Current participants:
Kit# Group: Ancestors
10775 Group 1: Descendant of Daniel Stettler (Further research indicates possible adoption several generations ago)
21525 Group 1: Descendant of Daniel Stettler through his son Philip Stettler and grandson Andrew.
10716 Group 2: Descendant of Jesse Stetler of Wayne and Randolph County Indiana see Group 2
6916 Group 4: Descendant of Abraham Stettler through his son Christian Statler, who moved to Miami County, Ohio.
8544 Group 6: Descendant of Rudolph Stotler through his son Emanuel.
9566 Group 6: Descendant of Samuel Statler through his son John S. Statler of Bedford County, PA.
18172 Group 7: Descendant of Peter Stotler through his son John P and his grandson David.
161025 Group 7: Descendant of Peter Stotler through his son John P and his grandson Jacob.
7816 Group 8: Descendant of Abraham Statler through his Grandson Samuel, who moved to Clinton County, Ohio and Samuel’s son John.
68506 Group 8: Descendant of Abraham Statler through his Grandson Samuel, who moved to Clinton County, Ohio and Samuel’s son James.
9793 Group 9: Descendant of Henry Stotler of Belmont County, Ohio.
14565 Group 9: Descendant of John Stotler of Berkeley County, now Morgan County WV.
39602 Group 9: Descendant of Mathias Stotler of Belmont and Knox Counties, Ohio.
50299 Group 9: Descendant of William M. Stotlar probable grandson of Mathias Stotler of Grant County Indiana.
6915 Group 10: Descendant of Stephen Stradler/Stateler through his son George, who moved to Spencer County, Indiana.
11960 Group 10: Descendant of Jacob Stateler/Statler of Monongalia County (West) VA through his son Joseph Stotler/Stotlar, who moved to Brown County, Ohio.
162037 Group 10: Descendant of Jacob Stateler of Morrow County, Ohio through his son James Statler, who moved to Berrien County, MI.
18163 Group 11: Descendant of Jacob Stotler through his son Christian.
73641 Group 11: Descendant of Jacob Stotler through his son Christian (close cousin of the other Group 11 member).
25651 Group 14: Descendant of Johann Adam Stadler through his grandson Peter Statler.
28374 Group 14: Descendant of Johann Adam Stadler through his grandson Conrad Statler (Does not match the other results, further research needed).
35591 Group 14: Descendant of Johann Adam Stadler through his grandson Adam Statler.
N21597 Group 14: Descendant of Johann Adam Stadler.
34167 Group 16: Descendant of John Stutler through his son Elias Stutler.
42517 Group 16: Descendant of John Stutler through his son John Stutler II.
6913 Group 17: Descendant of George V Stetler through his son Henry.
17692 Group 17: Descendant of George V Stetler through his son Jacob.
89439 Group 17: Descendant of George V Stetler through his son Jacob Stetler (Does not match the other results, further research needed).
6914 Unknown Group: Descendant of Valentine Stetler who lived in Union County Pennsylvania through son Nicolas.
30094 Unknown Group: Descendant of John George Staedler 1851 immigrant from Nuremberg, Bavaria.
43890 Unknown Group: Descendant of John M. Stadler 1854 immigrant from Bavaria who lived in Indiana, Kansas and Oklahoma.
43996 Unknown Group: Descendant of Peter Statler of Somerset County, Pennsylvania who emigrated from Germany about 1837.
69069 Unknown Group: Descendant of Henry Stetler of York County, Pennsylvania.
126455 Unknown Group: Descendant of Conrad Stadler family of Michigan who emigrated in 1865 from Germany.
N72165 Unknown Group: Stadler surname (Matches the Group 11 results)
N82026 Unknown Group: Descendant of Samuel Stetler of Luzerne County, Pennsylvania. Matches Groups 2 and 4.
GT342E6 Unknown Group: Descendant of Gabriel Stadler 1839-1893, an 1860 immigrant from Deidesheim. (Tested by another company)
CONNECTED GROUPS
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Kit # |
Group |
3 |
3 |
1 |
3 |
3 |
3 |
4 |
3 |
4 |
3 |
3 |
3 |
4 |
4 |
4 |
4 |
4 |
4 |
4 |
4 |
4 |
4 |
4 |
4 |
4 |
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10716 |
2 |
13 |
24 |
15 |
10 |
11 |
14 |
12 |
12 |
12 |
14 |
13 |
30 |
19 |
9 |
10 |
11 |
11 |
26 |
14 |
19 |
28 |
15 |
15 |
16 |
17 |
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6916 |
4 |
13 |
24 |
15 |
10 |
11 |
14 |
12 |
12 |
12 |
14 |
13 |
30 |
19 |
9 |
10 |
11 |
11 |
26 |
14 |
19 |
28 |
15 |
16 |
17 |
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7816 |
8 |
13 |
24 |
15 |
10 |
11 |
14 |
12 |
12 |
12 |
15 |
13 |
31 |
19 |
9 |
10 |
11 |
11 |
25 |
14 |
19 |
28 |
15 |
15 |
16 |
17 |
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68506 |
8 |
13 |
24 |
15 |
10 |
11 |
14 |
12 |
12 |
12 |
15 |
13 |
31 |
19 |
9 |
10 |
11 |
11 |
25 |
14 |
19 |
28 |
15 |
15 |
16 |
17 |
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34167 |
16 |
12 |
24 |
15 |
10 |
11 |
14 |
12 |
12 |
12 |
14 |
13 |
30 |
19 |
8 |
10 |
11 |
11 |
25 |
14 |
19 |
28 |
15 |
15 |
16 |
17 |
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42517 |
16 |
12 |
24 |
15 |
10 |
11 |
14 |
12 |
12 |
12 |
14 |
13 |
30 |
19 |
8 |
10 |
11 |
11 |
25 |
14 |
19 |
28 |
15 |
15 |
16 |
17 |
CONFIRMED GROUPS
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Group |
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4 |
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3 |
4 |
4 |
4 |
4 |
4 |
4 |
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4 |
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9566 |
6 |
13 |
23 |
14 |
11 |
12 |
14 |
12 |
12 |
12 |
12 |
13 |
28 |
17 |
9 |
9 |
11 |
11 |
25 |
15 |
19 |
29 |
15 |
16 |
17 |
17 |
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8544 |
6 |
13 |
23 |
14 |
11 |
12 |
14 |
12 |
12 |
12 |
12 |
13 |
28 |
17 |
9 |
10 |
11 |
11 |
25 |
15 |
19 |
29 |
15 |
16 |
17 |
17 |
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18172 |
7 |
14 |
22 |
14 |
11 |
13 |
14 |
11 |
14 |
12 |
12 |
11 |
28 |
16 |
8 |
9 |
8 |
11 |
23 |
16 |
20 |
29 |
11 |
14 |
15 |
15 |
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161025 |
7 |
14 |
22 |
14 |
11 |
13 |
14 |
11 |
14 |
12 |
12 |
11 |
28 |
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14565 |
9 |
12 |
24 |
14 |
10 |
11 |
11 |
12 |
12 |
12 |
14 |
13 |
32 |
17 |
9 |
10 |
11 |
11 |
25 |
15 |
18 |
28 |
14 |
15 |
16 |
17 |
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9793 |
9 |
12 |
24 |
14 |
10 |
11 |
11 |
12 |
12 |
12 |
14 |
13 |
33 |
17 |
9 |
10 |
11 |
11 |
25 |
15 |
18 |
28 |
14 |
15 |
16 |
17 |
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39602 50299 |
9 |
12 |
24 |
14 |
10 |
11 |
11 |
12 |
12 |
12 |
14 |
13 |
33 |
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11960 |
10 |
12 |
22 |
14 |
10 |
13 |
13 |
11 |
14 |
13 |
13 |
11 |
29 |
16 |
8 |
9 |
8 |
11 |
23 |
16 |
20 |
28 |
12 |
14 |
15 |
15 |
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6915 |
10 |
12 |
22 |
14 |
10 |
13 |
13 |
11 |
14 |
13 |
13 |
11 |
29 |
16 |
8 |
9 |
8 |
11 |
23 |
16 |
20 |
28 |
12 |
14 |
15 |
15 |
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162037 |
10 |
12 |
22 |
14 |
10 |
13 |
13 |
11 |
14 |
13 |
13 |
11 |
29 |
16 |
8 |
9 |
8 |
11 |
23 |
16 |
20 |
28 |
12 |
14 |
15 |
15 |
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6913 |
17 |
13 |
24 |
14 |
11 |
11 |
14 |
12 |
12 |
13 |
13 |
13 |
29 |
17 |
9 |
10 |
11 |
11 |
25 |
15 |
19 |
30 |
15 |
15 |
16 |
17 |
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17692 |
17 |
13 |
23 |
14 |
11 |
11 |
14 |
12 |
12 |
13 |
13 |
13 |
29 |
17 |
9 |
10 |
11 |
11 |
25 |
14 |
19 |
30 |
15 |
15 |
16 |
17 |
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25651 |
14 |
13 |
25 |
15 |
10 |
11 |
15 |
12 |
12 |
11 |
13 |
11 |
29 |
16 |
9 |
10 |
11 |
11 |
24 |
14 |
20 |
31 |
12 |
15 |
15 |
16 |
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35591 N21597 |
14 |
13 |
25 |
15 |
10 |
11 |
15 |
12 |
12 |
11 |
13 |
11 |
29 |
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UNCONFIRMED GROUPS
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DYS
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Kit # |
Group |
3 |
3 |
1 |
3 |
3 |
3 |
4 |
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4 |
3 |
3 |
3 |
4 |
4 |
4 |
4 |
4 |
4 |
4 |
4 |
4 |
4 |
4 |
4 |
4 |
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6914 |
Unk |
13 |
25 |
14 |
12 |
11 |
13 |
12 |
12 |
12 |
13 |
14 |
29 |
19 |
9 |
10 |
11 |
11 |
25 |
15 |
18 |
27 |
15 |
16 |
16 |
17 |
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30094 |
Unk |
13 |
23 |
14 |
10 |
11 |
14 |
12 |
12 |
13 |
13 |
13 |
30 |
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GT342E6 |
Unk |
13 |
23 |
15 |
10 |
11 |
14 |
12 |
12 |
11 |
13 |
13 |
29 |
17 |
9 |
11 |
11 |
11 |
24 |
15 |
17 |
30 |
15 |
16 |
17 |
17 |
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43890 |
Unk |
12 |
24 |
14 |
11 |
11 |
14 |
12 |
12 |
13 |
14 |
14 |
30 |
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43996 |
Unk |
13 |
25 |
15 |
10 |
11 |
16 |
12 |
12 |
10 |
13 |
11 |
30 |
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69069 |
Unk |
13 |
25 |
17 |
11 |
16 |
16 |
11 |
14 |
11 |
12 |
11 |
28 |
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126455 |
Unk |
13 |
24 |
14 |
10 |
11 |
14 |
12 |
12 |
12 |
14 |
13 |
30 |
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N82026 |
Unk |
13 |
24 |
15 |
10 |
11 |
14 |
12 |
12 |
12 |
14 |
13 |
30 |
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21525 |
1 |
13 |
24 |
15 |
10 |
11 |
14 |
12 |
12 |
12 |
13 |
13 |
29 |
17 |
9 |
10 |
11 |
11 |
24 |
15 |
19 |
30 |
15 |
15 |
16 |
17 |
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10775 |
(1) |
13 |
22 |
15 |
10 |
14 |
14 |
11 |
14 |
11 |
12 |
11 |
28 |
15 |
8 |
9 |
8 |
11 |
23 |
16 |
20 |
28 |
12 |
14 |
15 |
15 |
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N72165 |
Unk |
13 |
24 |
13 |
10 |
15 |
18 |
11 |
12 |
12 |
13 |
11 |
30 |
16 |
9 |
9 |
11 |
11 |
25 |
14 |
20 |
31 |
14 |
16 |
17 |
17 |
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18163 |
11 |
13 |
24 |
13 |
10 |
15 |
18 |
11 |
12 |
12 |
13 |
11 |
30 |
16 |
9 |
9 |
11 |
11 |
25 |
14 |
20 |
31 |
14 |
16 |
17 |
17 |
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73641 |
11 |
13 |
24 |
13 |
10 |
15 |
18 |
11 |
12 |
13 |
13 |
11 |
30 |
16 |
9 |
9 |
11 |
11 |
25 |
14 |
20 |
31 |
14 |
16 |
17 |
17 |
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28374 |
(14) |
13 |
23 |
14 |
10 |
14 |
15 |
11 |
14 |
11 |
12 |
11 |
28 |
15 |
8 |
9 |
8 |
11 |
23 |
16 |
21 |
28 |
12 |
14 |
15 |
15 |
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89439 |
(17) |
13 |
23 |
14 |
10 |
13 |
16 |
11 |
14 |
11 |
12 |
11 |
28 |
15 |
8 |
9 |
8 |
11 |
23 |
16 |
20 |
29 |
12 |
14 |
14 |
16 |
Explanation of Shading: Scientists have broken down all Y chromosomes into Haplogroups. There have been most common values found for Haplogroup R1b. Most of the participants appear to be part of Haplogroup R1b (The most common European Group). Turquoise represents those numbers which match the most common values of R1b. Then since Groups 4 and 8 were close to a match I shaded their common values with purple. Then I shaded other matches. This helps me see differences and matches, I hope it helps others.
The Group 7 and10 participants appear to be part of Haplogroup I1a another common European Haplogroup.
DYS#464 a-d appear in different locations and are sorted small to large, so most of our participants have values of 15-16-17 which match three of the four values. The most common values for DYS#464 a-d for Haplogroup R1b are 15-15-17-17.
Red DYS Numbers: Family Tree DNA states that the alleles (markers) with the red labels mutate (change) more often on average than the other markers. In looking at the results so far, that doesn’t seem to be the case for these results. For instance the Group 2 person varies from the most common values of R1b on 3 “fast” mutating markers and 5 “slower” ones. It is believed that the original R1b “patriarch” had values very close to the most common values, and some his descendants do not show mutations and some have many.
Questions? Please contact Sandra Jones Hall