Husband Jaroslaus I "The Wise" Polotsk, Grand Duke Of Kiev 1 2 3 4
AKA: Jaroslav Valdimirovich Grand Prince Of Kiev
Born: Abt 978 - Kiev, Ukraine
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Died: 20 Feb 1054 - Polotsk, Byelorussia 5
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Father: Saint Vladimir I "The Great" , Grand Duke of Kiev (Abt 0955-1015) 2 6 7 8
Mother: Regneide/Rogneda Polotsk (Abt 0958-1000) 2 8 9 10
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Other Spouse: Ingegard Olafsdottir (1001-1050) 2 3 4 - 1019 - 2ND Wife 11
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Wife Elisenda De Ponthieu 2
Born: Abt 1002 - Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France
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Father: Enguerrand I Comte De Ponthieu (Abt 0985-Abt 1045) 2 12
Mother: Unknown First Wife (Abt 0985- ) 2
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Husband Enguerrand I Comte De Ponthieu 2 12
AKA: Enguerrand De Montreuil
Born: Abt 985 - Montreuil, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France
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Died: Abt 20 Sep 1045 - Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France 13
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Father: Hugues I Comte De Ponthieu (Abt 0965-1000) 2 12
Mother: Princess Gisaele of France (Abt 0970- ) 2 12
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Other Spouse: Adele Of Holland (Abt 0985- ) 2 14 - After 1033 - 2ND Husband 2ND Wife 12
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• Alt. Death 12, 1046
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1 F Elisenda De Ponthieu 2
Born: Abt 1002 - Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France
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2 M Hugues II Comte De Ponthieu 2 12 15
Born: Abt 1008 - Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France
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Spouse: Bertha Of Aumale (Abt 1010- ) 2 12 15
General Notes: Husband - Enguerrand I Comte De Ponthieu
Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann AT yahoo.com, writes in a post-em:
Hi Jim,
Re: Enguerrand d. BEF 1004.
Moriarty shows he married Adele 1033 (p113) or after 1033 (p55). This would of course affect your estimated dates of birth of his children.
His date of death is:
Abt Sep 20 1045 [Ref: Watney p799]
(1045) [Ref: ES II:2] 20 or 21.IX .... [Ref: ES III:635]
abt 1045 [Ref: Moriarty p55]
25 Oct 1053 [Ref: Wm Conqueror]
ES = Europaische Stammtafeln (usually the best ref. for European non-English ancestries).
Moriarty = The Plantagenet Ancestry of King Edward III and Queen Philippa
Watney = The Wallop Family and their Ancestry
Wm. Conqueror = William The Conqueror, The Norman Impact Upon England, David C. Douglas
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Attempted to take advantage of the Duke William of Normandy's (the Conqueror) weaker position and lost in battle near the fortresss of Arques. [Ref: Wm Conqueror]
According to later a chronicler (rec. Hist. Franc., vol XI, p. 330) the dying cries of Enguerrand were heard by his sister on the walls of Arques. It is a good story which might even be true, for less than a mile separates the castle from Saint-Aubin-sur-Scie, and the exact site of the engagement is unknown. [Ref: 48 Wm Conqueror, pg 66]
Also ES II:11 gives his mother Gisele's b. as (970) = circa 970. That combined with a marriage date of circa 1033 makes Enguerrand birth date of 980 pretty shakey.
Regards,
Curt
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Note: In terms of the death date (25 Oct 1053) at the siege of Arques, I think Curt is referring to Enguerrand II, d. 1053 at the siege of Arque, whom I have as the grandson. Maybe the grandson is the Enguerrand who m. Adele in 1333/4, as his 1st wife, before marrying Adelaid, sister of William I.
Note: Curt's source must have Adele marrying Enguerrand as her 2nd husband, and not as her 1st, as I show it. This may be true, but their supposed son Hugh must have been born well before 1033/4 (probably around 1000) because Hugh (Adele & Enguerrand's son) d. 20 Nov 1052. He would have been born in 1333/4 and be 18 or 19 years old, possible however unlikely. However AR & CP have Hugh's son Enguerrand II, dead at a siege in 1053; this is impossible if his father wasn't born until 1033/4, because he could be at most 6 or 7 years old, assuming his father sired him when only 12 or 13 years old. Enguerrand II married Adelaide, the sister of William the Conqueror and had at least one child before his death, which clearly could not have been at the age of 6 or 7.
This leaves at least 4 possibilities: (1) Hugh, b. c 997, is not a son of Enguerrand I, maybe his brother; (2) Hugh is the son of Enguerrand by an unknown 1st wife (prior to Adlele); (3) Adele did not marry Enguerrand I, but his grandson Enguerrand II as mentioned above; (4) Curt's or my sources are incorrect (I think least likely of the 4 possibilities). I will use possibility (2) until I can get more information about which of the 4 possibilities are true.
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Husband Enguerrand II Count Of Montreuil & Ponthieu 2 15 16 17 18
Born: Abt 1030 - Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France
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Died: 25 Oct 1053 - Slain At The Siege Of Arque (Dspm) 15 19
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Father: Hugues II Comte De Ponthieu (Abt 1008-1052) 2 12 15
Mother: Bertha Of Aumale (Abt 1010- ) 2 12 15
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General Notes: Husband - Enguerrand II Count Of Montreuil & Ponthieu
Enguerrand, Count of Ponthieu and Sire d'Aumale. Slain at the siege of Arques in 1053. [Complete Peerage I:351 chart]
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Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann AT yahoo.com, writes in a post-em:
Other notes:
Attempted to take advantage of the Duke William of Normandy's (the Conqueror) weaker position and lost in battle near the fortresss of Arques. [Ref: Wm Conqueror]
According to a later chronicler (rec. Hist. Franc., vol XI, p. 330) the dying cries of Enguerrand were heard by his sister on the walls of Arques. It is a good story which might even be true, for less than a mile separates the castle from Saint-Aubin-sur-Scie, and the exact site of the engagement is unknown. [Ref: 48 Wm Conqueror, pg 66]
Regards,
Curt
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Note: CP states that Enguerrand died without any male issue, but "The Ancestors of Paul McBride", a fairly reliable website with good genealogical information, states that Enguerrand and Adele had Piers de Valognes as a son. The website also lists Hugh II de Ponthieu as son of Enguerrand, but that misinformation comes from, among other sources, an error in the well respected German book Schwennicke's "Europäische Stammtafeln" (ES).
Husband Guillaume I Comte De Ponthieu 2 12
Born: Abt 914 - Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France
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Wife Maude De St. Pol Sur Mer De Therouanne 2
Born: Abt 918 - Therouanne, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France
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1 M Hildouin Comte De Ponthieu 2 12
Born: Abt 940 - Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France
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Spouse: Hersende De Montreuil (Abt 0946- ) 2
2 F Godchilde De Ponthieu 2 20 21
Born: Abt 944 - Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France
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Spouse: Yves Seigneur De Creil & Belleme (Abt 0940-0997) 2 22 23
Husband Guy II Count Of Ponthieu 2 12 24
Born: 1118 - Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France
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Died: 1147 - Ephesus On Way To Holy Land 12 24
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Father: William III Talvas, Count Of Alencon & Ponthieu (After 1087-1171) 2 12 25 26 27
Mother: Alice (Alix Or Ela) Borel Of Burgundy (Abt 1095-Abt 1194) 2 12 25 26 27
Marriage: Bef 1135
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Husband Jean I De Ponthieu, Comte D'alencon 2 28
AKA: Jean I De Ponthieu Comte D' Alencon
Born: Abt 1122 - Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France
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Died: 24 Feb 1191 - Alencon, Orne, Normandy, France 28
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Father: William III Talvas, Count Of Alencon & Ponthieu (After 1087-1171) 2 12 25 26 27
Mother: Alice (Alix Or Ela) Borel Of Burgundy (Abt 1095-Abt 1194) 2 12 25 26 27
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Husband Robert Porter
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Died: 1 Oct 1651 - , Henrico, Virginia, USA
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1 F Ann Porter
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Spouse: Thomas Perrin, Sr. (Abt 1610-1689)
General Notes: Husband - Robert Porter
Anne Perrin was the daughter of Robert Porter whose will was proved in Henrico County 1, October 1651, reference to which is made in later records.
Henrico Court Order Book, 1678, pg 273
Husband Henry II Count Of Portugal 2 29
Born: 1069 - Dijon, , Bourgogne, France 29
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Father: Henry Of Burgundy (1035-Abt 1074) 2 30 31
Mother: Sibylle Of Barcelona (1035-After 1074) 2 30 32
Marriage: 1093 29
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