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Jaroslaus I "The Wise" Polotsk, Grand Duke Of Kiev




Husband Jaroslaus I "The Wise" Polotsk, Grand Duke Of Kiev 1 2 3 4

            AKA: Jaroslav Valdimirovich Grand Prince Of Kiev
           Born: Abt 978 - Kiev, Ukraine
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           Died: 20 Feb 1054 - Polotsk, Byelorussia 5
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         Father: Saint Vladimir I "The Great" , Grand Duke of Kiev (Abt 0955-1015) 2 6 7 8
         Mother: Regneide/Rogneda Polotsk (Abt 0958-1000) 2 8 9 10


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   Other Spouse: Ingegard Olafsdottir (1001-1050) 2 3 4 - 1019 - 2ND Wife 11




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Elisenda De Ponthieu




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Wife Elisenda De Ponthieu 2

           Born: Abt 1002 - Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France
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         Father: Enguerrand I Comte De Ponthieu (Abt 0985-Abt 1045) 2 12
         Mother: Unknown First Wife (Abt 0985-      ) 2





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Enguerrand I Comte De Ponthieu and Unknown First Wife




Husband Enguerrand I Comte De Ponthieu 2 12

            AKA: Enguerrand De Montreuil
           Born: Abt 985 - Montreuil, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France
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           Died: Abt 20 Sep 1045 - Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France 13
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         Father: Hugues I Comte De Ponthieu (Abt 0965-1000) 2 12
         Mother: Princess Gisaele of France (Abt 0970-      ) 2 12


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   Other Spouse: Adele Of Holland (Abt 0985-      ) 2 14 - After 1033 - 2ND Husband 2ND Wife 12

Noted events in his life were:
• Alt. Death 12, 1046




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           Born: Abt 985 - France
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1 F Elisenda De Ponthieu 2

           Born: Abt 1002 - Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France
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2 M Hugues II Comte De Ponthieu 2 12 15

           Born: Abt 1008 - Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France
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           Died: 20 Nov 1052 15
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         Spouse: Bertha Of Aumale (Abt 1010-      ) 2 12 15




General Notes: Husband - Enguerrand I Comte De Ponthieu

Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann AT yahoo.com, writes in a post-em:

Hi Jim,
Re: Enguerrand d. BEF 1004.
Moriarty shows he married Adele 1033 (p113) or after 1033 (p55). This would of course affect your estimated dates of birth of his children.

His date of death is:
Abt Sep 20 1045 [Ref: Watney p799]
(1045) [Ref: ES II:2] 20 or 21.IX .... [Ref: ES III:635]
abt 1045 [Ref: Moriarty p55]
25 Oct 1053 [Ref: Wm Conqueror]

ES = Europaische Stammtafeln (usually the best ref. for European non-English ancestries).
Moriarty = The Plantagenet Ancestry of King Edward III and Queen Philippa
Watney = The Wallop Family and their Ancestry
Wm. Conqueror = William The Conqueror, The Norman Impact Upon England, David C. Douglas

Other notes:
Attempted to take advantage of the Duke William of Normandy's (the Conqueror) weaker position and lost in battle near the fortresss of Arques. [Ref: Wm Conqueror]

According to later a chronicler (rec. Hist. Franc., vol XI, p. 330) the dying cries of Enguerrand were heard by his sister on the walls of Arques. It is a good story which might even be true, for less than a mile separates the castle from Saint-Aubin-sur-Scie, and the exact site of the engagement is unknown. [Ref: 48 Wm Conqueror, pg 66]

Also ES II:11 gives his mother Gisele's b. as (970) = circa 970. That combined with a marriage date of circa 1033 makes Enguerrand birth date of 980 pretty shakey.

Regards,

Curt

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Note: In terms of the death date (25 Oct 1053) at the siege of Arques, I think Curt is referring to Enguerrand II, d. 1053 at the siege of Arque, whom I have as the grandson. Maybe the grandson is the Enguerrand who m. Adele in 1333/4, as his 1st wife, before marrying Adelaid, sister of William I.

Note: Curt's source must have Adele marrying Enguerrand as her 2nd husband, and not as her 1st, as I show it. This may be true, but their supposed son Hugh must have been born well before 1033/4 (probably around 1000) because Hugh (Adele & Enguerrand's son) d. 20 Nov 1052. He would have been born in 1333/4 and be 18 or 19 years old, possible however unlikely. However AR & CP have Hugh's son Enguerrand II, dead at a siege in 1053; this is impossible if his father wasn't born until 1033/4, because he could be at most 6 or 7 years old, assuming his father sired him when only 12 or 13 years old. Enguerrand II married Adelaide, the sister of William the Conqueror and had at least one child before his death, which clearly could not have been at the age of 6 or 7.

This leaves at least 4 possibilities: (1) Hugh, b. c 997, is not a son of Enguerrand I, maybe his brother; (2) Hugh is the son of Enguerrand by an unknown 1st wife (prior to Adlele); (3) Adele did not marry Enguerrand I, but his grandson Enguerrand II as mentioned above; (4) Curt's or my sources are incorrect (I think least likely of the 4 possibilities). I will use possibility (2) until I can get more information about which of the 4 possibilities are true.

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Enguerrand II Count Of Montreuil & Ponthieu




Husband Enguerrand II Count Of Montreuil & Ponthieu 2 15 16 17 18

           Born: Abt 1030 - Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France
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           Died: 25 Oct 1053 - Slain At The Siege Of Arque (Dspm) 15 19
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         Father: Hugues II Comte De Ponthieu (Abt 1008-1052) 2 12 15
         Mother: Bertha Of Aumale (Abt 1010-      ) 2 12 15


       Marriage:  - 1st Husband 18




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General Notes: Husband - Enguerrand II Count Of Montreuil & Ponthieu

Enguerrand, Count of Ponthieu and Sire d'Aumale. Slain at the siege of Arques in 1053. [Complete Peerage I:351 chart]

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Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann AT yahoo.com, writes in a post-em:

Other notes:
Attempted to take advantage of the Duke William of Normandy's (the Conqueror) weaker position and lost in battle near the fortresss of Arques. [Ref: Wm Conqueror]

According to a later chronicler (rec. Hist. Franc., vol XI, p. 330) the dying cries of Enguerrand were heard by his sister on the walls of Arques. It is a good story which might even be true, for less than a mile separates the castle from Saint-Aubin-sur-Scie, and the exact site of the engagement is unknown. [Ref: 48 Wm Conqueror, pg 66]

Regards,

Curt

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Note: CP states that Enguerrand died without any male issue, but "The Ancestors of Paul McBride", a fairly reliable website with good genealogical information, states that Enguerrand and Adele had Piers de Valognes as a son. The website also lists Hugh II de Ponthieu as son of Enguerrand, but that misinformation comes from, among other sources, an error in the well respected German book Schwennicke's "Europäische Stammtafeln" (ES).
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Guillaume I Comte De Ponthieu and Maude De St. Pol Sur Mer De Therouanne




Husband Guillaume I Comte De Ponthieu 2 12

           Born: Abt 914 - Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France
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Wife Maude De St. Pol Sur Mer De Therouanne 2

           Born: Abt 918 - Therouanne, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France
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1 M Hildouin Comte De Ponthieu 2 12

           Born: Abt 940 - Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France
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           Died: Abt 981 12
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         Spouse: Hersende De Montreuil (Abt 0946-      ) 2



2 F Godchilde De Ponthieu 2 20 21

           Born: Abt 944 - Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France
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         Spouse: Yves Seigneur De Creil & Belleme (Abt 0940-0997) 2 22 23




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Guy II Count Of Ponthieu




Husband Guy II Count Of Ponthieu 2 12 24

           Born: 1118 - Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France
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           Died: 1147 - Ephesus On Way To Holy Land 12 24
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         Father: William III Talvas, Count Of Alencon & Ponthieu (After 1087-1171) 2 12 25 26 27
         Mother: Alice (Alix Or Ela) Borel Of Burgundy (Abt 1095-Abt 1194) 2 12 25 26 27


       Marriage: Bef 1135




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Jean I De Ponthieu, Comte D'alencon




Husband Jean I De Ponthieu, Comte D'alencon 2 28

            AKA: Jean I De Ponthieu Comte D' Alencon
           Born: Abt 1122 - Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France
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           Died: 24 Feb 1191 - Alencon, Orne, Normandy, France 28
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         Father: William III Talvas, Count Of Alencon & Ponthieu (After 1087-1171) 2 12 25 26 27
         Mother: Alice (Alix Or Ela) Borel Of Burgundy (Abt 1095-Abt 1194) 2 12 25 26 27


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Robert Porter




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           Born:  - England
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           Died: 1 Oct 1651 - , Henrico, Virginia, USA
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1 F Ann Porter

           Born: Abt 1610 - England
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         Spouse: Thomas Perrin, Sr. (Abt 1610-1689)




General Notes: Husband - Robert Porter

Anne Perrin was the daughter of Robert Porter whose will was proved in Henrico County 1, October 1651, reference to which is made in later records.

Henrico Court Order Book, 1678, pg 273
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Henry II Count Of Portugal




Husband Henry II Count Of Portugal 2 29

           Born: 1069 - Dijon, , Bourgogne, France 29
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           Died: 1 Nov 1112 29
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         Father: Henry Of Burgundy (1035-Abt 1074) 2 30 31
         Mother: Sibylle Of Barcelona (1035-After 1074) 2 30 32


       Marriage: 1093 29




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1 Knox, Robert John Anderson and Tanner, Danielle. AOL user BobNDani. Fileuploaded on AOL "Tanner/Courtenay/Larsson/9500+" on Feb 2, 1995. File Name: knox0001.ged wsx.

2 Jim Weber (https://myaccount.rootsweb.com/publicprofile?mn=jimweber110&kurl=http:%2F%2Fwc%2Erootsweb%2Eancestry%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Figm%2Ecgi%3Fdb%3Djweber%26id%3DI03403%26op%3DGED).

3 Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999, 53-22, 241-5.

4 The Plantagenet Ancestry, by William Henry Turton, 1968, 14.

5 Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999, 53-22.

6 Microsoft Encarta 1994 ed.

7 Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999, 147-23.

8 The Plantagenet Ancestry, by William Henry Turton, 1968, 25.

9 Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999, 241-4.

10 Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com, Igor Sklar, 18 Feb 2003.

11 Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999, 241-5.

12 The Plantagenet Ancestry, by William Henry Turton, 1968, 13.

13 Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com, Leo van de Pas, 14 Nov 1998.

14 The Plantagenet Ancestry, by William Henry Turton, 1968, 13, 105.

15 Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999, 130-24.

16 Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000, I:351 chart.

17 Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com, John Ravilious (Therav3), 8 Oct 2002.

18 Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000, I:351-2.

19 Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000, I:351.

20 The Plantagenet Ancestry, by William Henry Turton, 1968, 6.

21 Leo's Genealogics Website (Leo van de Pas), www.genealogics.org, Godehelt.

22 The Plantagenet Ancestry, by William Henry Turton, 1968, 6, 13.

23 Leo's Genealogics Website (Leo van de Pas), www.genealogics.org, Yves de Belleme.

24 Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999, 109-26.

25 Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999, 108-25.

26 Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000, XII/1:497.

27 Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000, XI:697.

28 Leo's Genealogics Website (Leo van de Pas), www.genealogics.org, Jean I de Ponthieu, Comte d'Alencon.

29 Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999, 112-24.

30 Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999, 108-23, 112-23.

31 Leo's Genealogics Website (Leo van de Pas), www.genealogics.org, Henri de Bourgogne.

32 Leo's Genealogics Website (Leo van de Pas), www.genealogics.org, (Sibylle ?) of Barcelona.


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