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Ancestors of Amy Russell Tolbert



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William FitzHerbert, Lord of Norbury and Jane Kniveton


Husband William FitzHerbert, Lord of Norbury 

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         Father: Sir John FitzHerbert, Lord of Norbury (      -After 1350)
         Mother: Margaret Montgomery (      -      )


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Wife Jane Kniveton 

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         Father: Sir Nicholas Kniveton (      -      )
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1 M William FitzHerbert, Lord of Norbury 

           Born: Abt 1330 - Norbury, Derbyshire, England
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         Spouse: Alice Longford (Abt 1330-      )










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William FitzHerbert, Lord of Norbury and Alice Longford











Husband William FitzHerbert, Lord of Norbury





           Born: Abt 1330 - Norbury, Derbyshire, England
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         Father: William FitzHerbert, Lord of Norbury (      -      )
         Mother: Jane Kniveton (      -      )








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Wife Alice Longford





           Born: Abt 1330 - Longford, Derbyshire, England
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         Father: Sir Nicholas Longford (Abt 1285-1356)
         Mother: Alice Botiler (Abt 1290-      )












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1  M  Sir Henry FitzHerbert, Lord of Norbury, Knight Banneret





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William FitzHerbert











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1  M  Thomas FitzHerbert





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William FitzHerbert











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1  M  William FitzHerbert





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General Notes: Husband - William FitzHerbert



THE two families of Fitzherbert of Norbury, and Fitzherbert of Somersall-Herbert and Tissington, in Derbyshire, can be traced in that county as early as the origin of surnames. They are said to have been of the same stock as the ancient baronial house of Fitzherbert, of whom Herbert Fitzherbert was Lord Chamberlain to King Stephen, and was lord of the Forest of Dene, in Gloucestershire. On this subject a memorable dispute occurred between Brooke the Herald, and Camden, in consequence of an assertion of the latter in his Britannia. "Herbert (says Camden) married the sister of William, Earl of Hereford, and in her right was Lord of Dene, from whom descended the noble family of Herbert ;a hence also, if we shall credit the heralds and escutcheons of arms, Anthony Fitzherbert, that great lawyer, and Lord Chief Justice of England, took his original. But I think he rather descended from the worshipful family of Fitzherberts, in Derbyshire."

To this Brooke answered, "Whoever shall derive the said Anthony, or any of that family of Fitzherberts, from any other original than that of Herbert, who married the sister of William, Earl of Hereford have and shall err from the truth."

I am clear that Camden was nearer the truth than Brooke. That the Lord Chamberlain, and the Fitzherberts of Derbyshire, might be descended from a common ancestor, is probable from the similarity of names (and perhaps from that only) but dates will not allow the latter to have been descended from the former.

But what is more, even the two Derbyshire families, of Norbury and Somersal-Herbert (of which that of Tissington is a younger branch), cannot be traced to a common origin. Their fountain-head is lost in the abyss of time. Their very arms, which are of venerable antiquity, inasmuch as their usage of them can be exhibited from the time of Henry II are totally dissimilar: but this is by no means conclusive against a common progenitor because those of Norbury took theirs in allusion to the coat of their feudal chief, Ferrers, Earl of Derby and might perhaps on that account desert the common family coat. The ancestors of the present Peer have borne the same arras as Stephen Fitzherbert, the Lord Chamberlain.



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Edward Of Salisbury and Maud FitzHubert











Husband Edward Of Salisbury 1 2 3 4





           Born: Bef 1060 - Salisbury, Wiltshire, England 3
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         Father: Walter Le Ewrus, Of Rosmar (Roumare) (1033-      ) 1 5 6
         Mother: Philippa (Abt 1038-      ) 1








       Marriage: 1090 - Salisbury, Wiltshire, England





   Other Spouse: Adelize Heiress De Rames (Abt 1100-      ) 1 7



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•   Alt. Death 3, After 1087










Wife Maud FitzHubert 1





           Born: 1070 - Crick, Monmouthshire, Wales
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         Father: Ralph FitzHubert, Of Crick (Abt 1045-      ) 1
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1  F  Maud Of Salisbury 1 2 3 8





            AKA: Maud Devereux
           Born: 1093 - Salisbury, Wiltshire, England 8
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2  M  Walter Of Salisbury, Sheriff Of Wiltshire 1 9 10 11 12





            AKA: Walter D' Evreux
           Born: 1100 - Chitterne, Warminster, Wiltshire, England
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           Died: 1147 - Salisbury, Wiltshire, England 9 12
         Buried:  - Bradenstock Priory, Wiltshire, England (Founded)



         Spouse: Sibyl De Chaworth, Heiress Of Hesdin (1100-Bef 1147) 1 9 10 11 12
           Marr: Abt 1117 - Salisbury, Wiltshire, England











General Notes: Husband - Edward Of Salisbury



EDWARD OF SALISBURY, styled also Edward the Sheriff, whose parentage is unknown (b), was born ante 1060, it is said in England. He was sheriff of Wiltshire so early as February 1080/1. In 1086 he held in chief 33 manors in Wilts, as well as smaller estates in Surrey, Hants, Dorset, Somerset, Middlesex, Bucks, Oxfordshire and Herts, being styled in D.B. "Edwardus Sarisburiensis." He survived the Conqueror. He m. Unknown of whom nothing is known (e).  [Complete Peerage XI:373-4, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

[b] According to the Book of Lacock, he was the son of Walter le Ewrus, Earl of Rosmar, a fictitious person, and brother of Gerold, Earl of Rosmar, born in Normandy before the Conquest (Dugdale, Mon., Vol. vi, p. 501). The nickname "le Ewrus" [=I'heureux, or the fortunate) was converted into "de Evreux" by later writers, with the result that the family has been given the name of Devereux and has been tacked on to the Norman Counts of Evreux (see the tabular pedigree given by Planché, Journal of the Brit. Arch. Ass., Vol. i, p. 39; cf. Appendix G to this volume). For the exposure of this mistake see Herald and Genealogist, Vol. iv, p. 149. "Rosmar" is an error for Roumare (Normandy), which was not a comté (cf. ante, Vol. vii, sub Lincoln); but the statement that Edward was brother of Gerold de Roumare, though apparently accepted by Nichols, Arch. Inst., Salisbury Vol., 1849, p. 213, and in the 1st edition of this work, is baseless.

(e) By her he had issue, besides his son and heir, a daughter Maud, who m. Humphrey de Bohun II, at the instance (it is said) of William II.

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Leo van de Pas, citing ES, has Leonia of Salisbury as daughter of a person named "Edward of Salisbury" by Adelize de Rames, by which Leonia inherited Rames.  I assume that this is the same Edward of Salisbury, although Leonia would be a very late daughter.  Cheryl Varner, World Connect db=:2753682, made the same assumption.  Many of the early Norman Conquerors seemed to have children at very late times in their lives (Hugh "Lupus" d'Avranches, 1st Earl of Chester is another who seemed to have numerous late children).  Either this was a lack of good records at this early period, or the middle aged conquerors set about establishing new English families late in life, and enjoyed their tremendous new-found wealth.



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Ralph FitzHubert, Of Crick











Husband Ralph FitzHubert, Of Crick 1





           Born: Abt 1045 - Crick, Monmouthshire, Wales
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         Father: Hubert De Corcun (Abt 1019-      ) 1
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1  F  Maud FitzHubert 1





           Born: 1070 - Crick, Monmouthshire, Wales
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         Spouse: Edward Of Salisbury (Bef 1060-1130) 1 2 3 4
           Marr: 1090 - Salisbury, Wiltshire, England












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Ralph FitzHugh











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1  F  Eustace FitzRalph





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         Spouse: Sir William de Ros (Abt 1254-Bef 1310)
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Godric Fitzketelborn











Husband Godric Fitzketelborn





           Born: 1113 - Hopton, Yorkshire, England
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1  M  William FitzGodric





           Born: Abt 1125 - Hopton, Yorkshire, England
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         Spouse: Albreda/Aubrey de Lisoures (Abt 1128-After 1193)
           Marr: After 1157












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Alexander FitzPatrick and Martha Fortune











Husband Alexander FitzPatrick





           Born: WFT Est 1731-1767 - , Albemarle, Virginia, USA
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       Marriage: WFT Est 1756-1787










Wife Martha Fortune





           Born: WFT Est 1741-1769
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         Father: John Fletcher Fortune (Abt 1720-1790)
         Mother: Lucy Williamson (1723-Bef 1789)













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James Russell, Jr and Mary FitzPatrick











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         Father: James Russell (1754-Abt 1824)
         Mother: Rosannah Rutherford (1760-1824)








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General Notes: Husband - James Russell, Jr



Captain in Confederate Army



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Sources






1
Jim Weber (https://myaccount.rootsweb.com/publicprofile?mn=jimweber110&kurl=http:%2F%2Fwc%2Erootsweb%2Eancestry%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Figm%2Ecgi%3Fdb%3Djweber%26id%3DI03403%26op%3DGED).

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Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com, John Carmi Parsons, 24 Feb 1999.

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Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne,  Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000, XI:373-4.

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Leo's Genealogics Website (Leo van de Pas), www.genealogics.org, Edward of Salisbury.

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Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne,  Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000, XI:373 note (b).

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Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com, Brian Walls, 4 May 1998.

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Leo's Genealogics Website (Leo van de Pas), www.genealogics.org, Adelize de Rames.

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Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com, Jeff Snavely, 24 Feb 1999.

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Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999, 108-26.

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The Plantagenet Ancestry, by William Henry Turton, 1968, 184.

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Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne,  Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000, X:358.

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Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne,  Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000, XI:374-5.







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