Ancestors of Russell Owen HJELM
Thirty-Second Generation
(Continued)
3327165170. Richard Count D' EVEREUX (Count De Evreux) was born about 986 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France. He died 13 Dec 1067 in Normandy, France. Richard married Godeheut (Godehilde) BARCELONA after 1038 in 2ND Husband.
Richard about 986 Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France. He about 986 Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.
Source- Ahnantafel for Margery Arundell - Author Marilyn Lewis, Pub 8 Oct 1997 Ancestors of Deacon Edward Converse - Medi book - p. 117
Ancestral File Number:9HMR-LK Source- Ahnantafel for Margery Arundell - Author Marilyn Lewis, Pub 8 Oct 1997 Ancestors of Deacon Edward Converse - Medi book - p. 117
Ancestral File Number:9HMR-LK
3327165171. Godeheut (Godehilde) BARCELONA was born about 995 in Barcelona, Catalonia, Spain. She died 1079.
Ancestral File Number:
HRN0-Z5 Ancestral File Number:
HRN0-Z5
3327165172. Guillaume (William) De GARLAND I was born about 1043 in Garlende, , France. He died. Guillaume married Mrs. Guillaume 1043 GARLAND.
Ancestral File Number:
924T-GP Ancestral File Number:
924T-GP
3327165173. Mrs. Guillaume 1043 GARLAND died.
3327165174. Gui "The Red" De MONTLHERY Comte De Rouchefort was born 1037 in Montlhery, Seine-Et-Oise, France. He died 1116 and was buried in Seneschal Of France, First Crusade. Gui married Elise De CORBIEL.
Ancestral File Number:
924T-J2
3327165175. Elise De CORBIEL was born about 1048 in Corbeil, Marne, France. She died.
Ancestral File Number:
924T-K7
3327165176. Humphrey De PONTAUDEMER was born 975 in Pontaudemer, Normandy, France. He died 28 Sep 1044 in Normandy, France and was buried in Preaux, Normandy, France. Humphrey married Aubreye De La HAYE about 1010 in France.
Name Suffix:
[DE VIEILLES]/
Ancestral File Number:9NR1-D8
3327165177. Aubreye De La HAYE was born 984 in Pont-Audemer, Eure, Normandy, France. She died 20 Sep 1045.
Ancestral File Number:
9NR1-FF Ancestral File Number:
9NR1-FF
3327165178. Waleran III Count Of MEULAN was born 990 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France. He died 1069. Waleran married Oda De CONTEVILLE about 1017 in France.
Ancestral File Number:
FNMC-PW
3327165179. Oda De CONTEVILLE was born about 994 in Mellent, Normandy, France. She died Unknown.
Ancestral File Number:
FLH7-WT Ancestral File Number:
FLH7-WT
3327165184. John De GRAI Lord Of Croy was born 1033 in Croy, Pichardie, Flanders. He died Dec. John married Adeliza FITZOSBERN about 1064.
3327165185. Adeliza FITZOSBERN was born 1050 in Herefordshire, England. She died 27 May 1156.
3327165200. Hugh De VERNON was born WFT Est 1000 in Vernon, Eure, Normandy, France. He died after 1053 in Vernon, Eure, Normandy, France and was buried in As A Monk. Hugh married Miss De CENTERVILLE.
Curt Hofemann, curt_hofeman@yahoo.com, wrote in a post-em:
I've never seen a marriage to a (?) de Centerville. Possibly because you list no source, this is speculative or maybe from a less than reliable source like Ancestry.com or familysearch.org? If so, no need to respond.
Few Norman families of the elventh century were more powerful than those of Tosny and Beaumont, but the same period also witnessed the rise of many lesser houses, and of these the first family of Vernon may be taken as an example. When, some time between 1032 and 1035 Duke Robert I [of Normandy] gave land to Saint-Wandrille at Sierville, some ten miles north of Rouen, he did so with the consent of a certain 'Hugh of Vernon,' and other documents show that the family of Hugh had already become possessed of other estates in this district, for in 1053 William of Vernon, together with his father Hugh, who had by now become a monk, gave to Holy Trinity, Rouen, land at Martainville within five miles of the city. It is possible that the full lordship of Vernon passed to this family sometime between these dates. Early in the reign of Duke William he had given Vernon to his cousin Guy of Burgundy, and Guy's disgrace and forfeiture after 1047 may well have provided the opportunity for the rise of the new family. [Ref: "William The Conqueror, The Norman Impact Upon England", by David C. Douglas, 1964, University of California Press,Berkey & LA, CA p87]
Regards,
Curt
3327165201. Miss De CENTERVILLE was born about 1000 in Quilly Basset, Normandy, France. She died.
3327165202. Osborne De CREPON [Steward Of Normandy] was born about 990 in Normandy, France. He died Unknown. Osborne married Emma De IVRY about 1029 in France.
Osborne Guardian Of The Youing Wiilam Of Normanby (The Congueror).
Name Suffix:
[Steward of Norm
Ancestral File Number:V9SZ-QR Cause of Death - Murdered.
3327165203. Emma De IVRY was born about 990 in Ivry-La-Bataille, Eure, Normandy, France. She died before 1034.
I believe that the names which Turton gave Emma & her father Ralph d'Ivry were wrong, but the pedigree which Turton gave is similar to that of CP, except that Turton has Emma's (Turton says Alberade's) mother as Erneberge de Caux, while CP has her as Albreda. Raoul de Bayeux and Ralph (Raoul) d'Ivry are probably two different names for the same person.
3327165204. Ranulph PEVEREL was born 1030 in Normandy, France. He died 1072 in Hatfield, Essex, England. Ranulph married Maud De INGELRICA.
3327165205. Maud De INGELRICA was born 1032 in St Martin's Le Grand, London, Middlesex, England. She died Dec.
3327165208. Drew De BAALUN was born about 1006 in Of Gloucestershire, England. He died in England. Drew married Mrs. Drew De BAALUN in England.
Ancestral File Number:
8XJR-QS
3327165209. Mrs. Drew De BAALUN was born about 1008 in Gloucestershire, England. She died in England.
Ancestral File Number:
8XJR-R0
3327165216. Gilbert Fitzgodfrey Count D'eu & BRIONNE was born about 980 in Brionne, Eure, Normandy, France. He died 1040 in Eu, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France (Assassinated). Gilbert married Constance D' EU in England.
Gilbert, Count of Brionne, who was son of Godfrey, Count of Brionne, illegitimate son of Richard I, the Fearless, Duke of Normandy. [Magna Charta Sureties, line 157-1]
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Gilbert, Count of Brionne; benefactor of the Abbey of Bec in Normandy. [Burke's Peerage]
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Gilbert, Earl of Brion, had two sons, Richard, ancestor of the house of Clare, and Baldwin de Brionis. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, London, 1883, p. 139, Courtenay, Barons Courtenay, Earls of Devon]
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Gislebert, surnamed Crispin, Earl of Brion, in Normandy, whose eldest son [was] Richard FitzGilbert. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, London, 1883, p. 118, Clare, Lords of Clare, Earls of Hertford, Earls of Gloucester]
Note: I have Gilbert Crispin of Tillieres and Gilbert Count of Brionne as two different people.
3327165217. Constance D' EU was born about 1009 in Eu, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.
Constance was a 1st cousin of the half blood to Gilbert, which makes marriage somewhat questionable, but would explain why Gilbert finally received the Countship of Eu, which his father had, but only after William was Count in the period between father and son.
3327165218. Walter I GIFFARD Seigneur Of Longueville was born about 1010 in Longueville, Normandy, France. He died 1084 in France and was buried in Companion Of William I At Battle Of Hastings. Walter married Agnes FLATEL about 1025 in France.
Name Suffix:
[Lord LONGUEVILL
Ancestral File Number:9HNQ-CB
3327165219. Agnes FLATEL was born about 1014 in Longueville, Normandy, France. She died Dec in France.
Ancestral File Number:
8WKM-ZH
3327165220. Renaud De CREIL Chamberlain Of Clermont was born 1010 in Creil, Oise, Picardy, France. He died after 1098 in Clermont, Beauvais, Oise, France. Renaud married Ermengardis Of CLERMONT in England.
Name Suffix:
[GREAT CHAMBERLA
Ancestral File Number:8XJT-9T
3327165221. Ermengardis Of CLERMONT was born 1010 in Clermont, Beauvais, Oise, France. She died.
Ancestral File Number:
8XJT-B1
3327165222. Hildouin IV Count Of MONTDIDIER [Count Of Roucy] was born about 1010 in Montdidier, Picardy, France. He died about 1063. Hildouin married Alice (Adela) De ROUCY on 1031 in England.
Hildouin about 1021 Montdidier, Somme, France. He 1063.
Name Suffix:
[COUNT OF ROUCY]
Ancestral File Number:V9T5-39
3327165223. Alice (Adela) De ROUCY was born 1014 in Roucy, Aisne, Picardy, France. She died 1062.
Alice about 1014 Roucy, Aisne, Picardy, France. She 1019 Roucy, Aisne, Picardy, France. She 1062. She 1063.
Ancestral File Number:
8XJT-DC
3327165248. Geoffroi I De BRETAGNE [Duke was born about 972 in Rennes, France. He died 20 Nov 1008 from Killed. Geoffroi married Hawisa (Hedwig) Of NORMANDY on 996 in Bretagne (Brittany), France.
3327165249. Hawisa (Hedwig) Of NORMANDY was born about 977 in Normandy, France. She died 21 Feb 1034.
Ancestral File Number:
9GB4-RS
3327165282. Gilbert CRISPIN Seigneur De Tillieres & Bec was born about 1000 in Tillieres, Anjou, France. He died in Bec, Eure, Normandy, France. Gilbert married Gunnora D' AUNOU.
3327165283. Gunnora D' AUNOU was born about 1005 in Aunou, Orne, Normandy, France. She died.
There seems to be a majority of sources that indicate that she was sister, not daughter of Fulk; and possibly, somehow, a niece of Gilbert Count of Brionne. I will stick with Turton, even though he is somewhat unreliable, because the other pedigrees don't seem very clear (and reliable) to me either.
Following is a post-em from Curt Hofemann giving, conflicting information on Gunnora:
First, it's Aunou, not Anjou . . .
Flwg are my notes:
parents: Gonnor (Gunnor) was the daughter of Baldric the Teuton, and a niece of Gilbert, Count of Brionne. [Ref: McBride2 citing Burke's p118-120, CP VI p498-503, Wurts p47-70], father: Baudri "the German", father of Nicholas de Bacqueville, Fulk de Aunou, Robert de Courcy, and Gunnor [Ref: TAF 21 Aug 2000 citing: Keats-Rohan "Domesday Book and the Malets: Patrimony and the Private Histories of Public Lives" in *Nottingham Medieval Studies* xli (1997), 18] Gunnora, sister of Fulk de Aunou is not daughter of Osmund, but of Baudri. [Ref: TAF 26 Aug 2000] Fulk d'Aunou had a sister Gunnor [Ref: TAF: 21 Aug 2000]
Research note 1: father Fulk son of Baldric [Ref: Turton]
Research note 2: Gilbert's wife Gonnor (Gunnor) was the daughter of Baldric the Teuton, and a niece of Gilbert, Count of Brionne. [Ref: McBride2 citing Burke's p118-120, CP VI p498-503, Wurts p47-70]
Research note 3: She (Elisabeth Van Houts) also argues that Robert confused things, that it was Baudri "the German", father of Nicholas de Bacqueville, Fulk de Aunou, Robert de Courcy, and Gunnor wife of Gilbert Crispin, who married the niece of Duchess Gunnor, while it was Nicholas's wife, Gertrude, who was niece of Gilbert of Brionne. [Ref: TAF 21 Aug 2000 citing: Keats-Rohan "Domesday Book and the Malets: Patrimony and the Private Histories of Public Lives" in *Nottingham Medieval Studies* xli (1997), 18] note: this implies the Fulk was Gunnora's brother, not father...Curt
Research note 4: First of all, while there is extensive debate, it is not generally fealt (sic) that Fulk d'Aunou, son of Baudri the German is the same as Fulk "de Alneio", son of Osmund of Centemvilliers. (For example, Wace appears to distinguish the two toponyms.) Thus Gunnora, sister of Fulk de Aunou is not daughter of Osmund, but of Baudri. Likewise Gunnora de Aunou married, not Gilbert de Brionne, but Gilbert Crispin. Gilbert de Brionne comes into play as supposed uncle of Baudri's wife, although this seems chronologically impossible... [Ref: TAF 26 Aug 2000]
Research note 5: ...based on the fact that Fulk d'Aunou had a sister Gunnor, Keats-Rohan has suggested that these two somehow got switched, and that it was Baldric who married the Gunnorid, while Nicholas married Gilbert's niece. This works better chronologically, since Gilbert de Brionne was two generations after Gunnor, his niece three and Nicholas four, while the wife of Nicholas would be just one, or perhaps two generation removed from Gunnor. Reversing them as Keats-Rohan suggests makes the wife four, and the husband three or four (because some of the nieces appear to have been grandnieces). [Ref: TAF: 21 Aug 2000]
Regards,
CurtThere seems to be a majority of sources that indicate that she was sister, not daughter of Fulk; and possibly, somehow, a niece of Gilbert Count of Brionne. I will stick with Turton, even though he is somewhat unreliable, because the other pedigrees don't seem very clear (and reliable) to me either.
Following is a post-em from Curt Hofemann giving, conflicting information on Gunnora:
First, it's Aunou, not Anjou . . .
Flwg are my notes:
parents: Gonnor (Gunnor) was the daughter of Baldric the Teuton, and a niece of Gilbert, Count of Brionne. [Ref: McBride2 citing Burke's p118-120, CP VI p498-503, Wurts p47-70], father: Baudri "the German", father of Nicholas de Bacqueville, Fulk de Aunou, Robert de Courcy, and Gunnor [Ref: TAF 21 Aug 2000 citing: Keats-Rohan "Domesday Book and the Malets: Patrimony and the Private Histories of Public Lives" in *Nottingham Medieval Studies* xli (1997), 18] Gunnora, sister of Fulk de Aunou is not daughter of Osmund, but of Baudri. [Ref: TAF 26 Aug 2000] Fulk d'Aunou had a sister Gunnor [Ref: TAF: 21 Aug 2000]
Research note 1: father Fulk son of Baldric [Ref: Turton]
Research note 2: Gilbert's wife Gonnor (Gunnor) was the daughter of Baldric the Teuton, and a niece of Gilbert, Count of Brionne. [Ref: McBride2 citing Burke's p118-120, CP VI p498-503, Wurts p47-70]
Research note 3: She (Elisabeth Van Houts) also argues that Robert confused things, that it was Baudri "the German", father of Nicholas de Bacqueville, Fulk de Aunou, Robert de Courcy, and Gunnor wife of Gilbert Crispin, who married the niece of Duchess Gunnor, while it was Nicholas's wife, Gertrude, who was niece of Gilbert of Brionne. [Ref: TAF 21 Aug 2000 citing: Keats-Rohan "Domesday Book and the Malets: Patrimony and the Private Histories of Public Lives" in *Nottingham Medieval Studies* xli (1997), 18] note: this implies the Fulk was Gunnora's brother, not father...Curt
Research note 4: First of all, while there is extensive debate, it is not generally fealt (sic) that Fulk d'Aunou, son of Baudri the German is the same as Fulk "de Alneio", son of Osmund of Centemvilliers. (For example, Wace appears to distinguish the two toponyms.) Thus Gunnora, sister of Fulk de Aunou is not daughter of Osmund, but of Baudri. Likewise Gunnora de Aunou married, not Gilbert de Brionne, but Gilbert Crispin. Gilbert de Brionne comes into play as supposed uncle of Baudri's wife, although this seems chronologically impossible... [Ref: TAF 26 Aug 2000]
Research note 5: ...based on the fact that Fulk d'Aunou had a sister Gunnor, Keats-Rohan has suggested that these two somehow got switched, and that it was Baldric who married the Gunnorid, while Nicholas married Gilbert's niece. This works better chronologically, since Gilbert de Brionne was two generations after Gunnor, his niece three and Nicholas four, while the wife of Nicholas would be just one, or perhaps two generation removed from Gunnor. Reversing them as Keats-Rohan suggests makes the wife four, and the husband three or four (because some of the nieces appear to have been grandnieces). [Ref: TAF: 21 Aug 2000]
Regards,
Curt
3327165290. William De WATEVILLE was born 1022 in West Hoathley, Sussex, England. He died. William married Mrs. William 1022 De WATEVILLE.
3327165291. Mrs. William 1022 De WATEVILLE died.
