2005016142. William De CHESNEY Sheriff Norfolk was born about 1120 in Sussex, England. He died 1174. William married Mrs. William De CHESNEY. [Parents]
2005016143. Mrs. William De CHESNEY died.
2005016144. William "Brito" De ALBINI Lord Of Belvoir was born about 1085 in Belvoir Castle, Belvoir, Leicestershire, England. He died before 1156 in Belvoir Castle, Belvoir, Leicestershire, England and was buried in Belvoir, Leicestershire, England. William married Cecily BIGOD Heiress Of Belvoir on 1110. [Parents]
William, who assumed, from what reason is unascertained, the surname of Albini, and was known as "William de Albini, Brito," in contradistinction to another great Baron, "William de Albini, Pincerna," from whom the Earls of Arundel descended. William de Albini, Brito, Lord of Belvoir, in the Chapter House of St. Albans, confirmed all the grants of his father and mother to the Church of Our Lady at Belvoir, desiring that he might be admitted in the fraternity as those his parents had been. This feudal lord acquired great renown at the celebrated battle of Tinchebray, in Normandy, where, commanding the horse, he charged the enemy with so much spirit that he determine at once the fate of the day. of the exploit, Matthew Paris says, "In this encounter chiefly deserveth honour the most heroic William de Albini, the Briton, who, with his sword, broke through the enemy, and terminated the battle." He subsequently adhered to the Empress Maud and had his castle of Belvoir, with all his other lands, seized by King Stephen and transferred to Ranulph, Earl of Chester. He m. Maud, dau. of Simon de St. Liz, 1st Earl of Huntingdon, widow of Robert, son of Richard de Tunbridge, and ding about the year 1155, left two sons, viz., William, surnamed Meschines, and Ralph. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, England, 1883, p. 160, Daubeney, Barons Daubeney, Earl of Bridgewater]
2005016145. Cecily BIGOD Heiress Of Belvoir was born about 1090 in Belvoir Castle, Belvoir, Leicestershire, England. She died. [Parents]
2005016148. Odinel I De UMFREVILLE [Baron Prudhoe] was born 1094 in Forest & Vale, Redesdale, Northumberland, England. He died 1162 in Barony, Prudhoe, Northumberland, England. Odinel married Mrs. Odinel I De UMFREVILLE about 1124 in Of Barony, Prudhoe, Northumberland, England. [Parents]
2005016149. Mrs. Odinel I De UMFREVILLE was born about 1098 in Of Forest & Vale, Redesdale, Northumberland, England. She died Dec.
2005016150. Richard "The Loyal" De LUCY Justiciar-England was born about 1098 in Diss, Norfolk, England. He died 14 Jul 1179 in Chipping Ongar, Essex, England and was buried in Lieutenant Of England - Ruled In Henry Ii's Absence. Richard married Rohese Fitzrichard De CLARE about 1115 in Thorney Green, Suffolk, England. [Parents]
Lieutenant of England - ruled in Henry II's absence.
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(b) The family appears to have taken its name from Luce, a commune in the department of Orne, about 6 kil. SE of Domfront, and in the bailiwick of Passeis. In the return of the Norman fees of 1172 there occurs the following: "De Passeis . . . Ricards de Lucceio j militem et sibi xvij milites" (H.F., vol xxiii, p. 697 e; so also in Red Book, Rolls Ser., vol ii, pl 639, but beginning "De Baillia de Basseis"). Luce lies geographically in Maine, and its real connection with Normandy dates from the occupation in 1092 of Domfront, the castle of Robert de Belleme, by Henry Beauclerc, the Count of the Cotentin. It seems probable that this particular connection between Henry I and the southern border of Normandy may have first brought the family to the King's notice, a view which is supported by the fact that in a charter for Seez Cathedral dated Feb 1131, Henry mentions a fief which he had bought from Richard de Lucy, and his mother Aveline. [Complete Peerage VIII:257 note (b)]
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The first mention of this family is in a render made by King Henry I of the lordship of Dice, in Norfolk (whether in requital of services, or as an inheritance, the record saith not) to Richard de Lucie, who was governor of Falais, in Normandy, temp. King Stephen, and defended that place with great valour when besieged by Geoffrey, Earl of Anjou, for which heroic conduct he had a grant of lands in the county of Essex with the services of divers persons, to hold by ten knights' fees. In the subsequent contest between Stephen and the Empress Maud, he remained steady in his allegiance to the former and obtained a victory of some importance near Wallingford Castle. Upon the adjustment of the dispute, the Tower of London and the castle of Winchester were, by the advice of the whole clergy, placed in the hands of this feudal lord, he binding himself by solemn oath and the hostage of his son to deliver them up on the death of King Stephen to King Henry, which, being eventually fulfilled, Richard de Lucy was constituted sheriff of Essex and Hertfordshire in the 2nd of Henry II, A.D. 1156, and in three years afterwards, being with the king in Normandy, he was despatched to England to procure the election of Thomas à Becket, then lord chancellor, to the archiepiscopal see of Canterbury, vacant by the death of Theobald, Abbot of Becco. Soon after that he was appointed to the high office of Justice of England. In the 12th of this reign [1166], upon the aid then assessed for marrying the king's dau., he certified his knights' fees (lying in the cos. of Kent, Suffolk, and Norfolk) de veteri feoffamento, to be in number seven, and that his ancestors performed the service of Castle Guard at Dover, for the same, as also that he held on knight's fee more, de nova feoffamento, in the co. Devon.
About this time Becket, having fled into Normandy from the power of King Henry, came to Wiceliac to celebrate the feast of the ascension, and observing several persons of distinction present, amongst whom was this Richard de Lucie, he ascended the pulpit and there, with lighted candles, pronounced the sentence of excommunication against them all as public incendiaries betwixt the king and himself, but being neither convicted nor called to answer, they appealed and entered the church. Soon after this (13th Henry II) during a temporary absence of the king beyond sea, de Lucie was constituted Lieutenant of England, and again in 1173, when the Earl of Leicester and others having reared the standard of rebellion in behalf of Prince Henry, he besieged, in conjunction with Reginald, Earl of Cornwall, the town of Leicester and, having reduced it, demolished its walls and laid it in ashes.
In 1178, he founded the priory of Westwode in the diocese of Rochester in honour of St. Thomas, of Canterbury, the martyr, and began, about the same time, the foundation of the priory of Lesnes, in Kent, which he munificently endowed. In this priory he subsequently assumed the habit of a canon regular and departing this life soon after (about 22nd Henry II) [1176], and was buried in the chapter-house there.He m. Rohais ---, and had issue, Geffrey, who d. in his father's lifetime, leaving Richard, his son and heir, who departing this life, s. p., before 1196, the inheritance devolved upon his aunt, Rohais; Hubert, who had the lordship of Stanford, in Essex, and hundred of Angre, for his livelihood, but d. s. p.; Maude, m. 1st to Walter Fitz-Robert, to whom she brought the lordship or Dice, and 2ndly, to Richard de Ripariis, and d. 27th Henry III, 1243, leaving issue; Rohais, m. 1st, to Fulbert de Dover, Lord of Chilham, in Kent, and 2ndly, Richard de Chilham. This Rohais, upon the decease of her nephew, succeeded to the estates of her elder brother and, upon the death of her younger brother, Hubert, she had livery of the whole barony on paying a fine to the crown in the 9th King John [1208]. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage Ltd, London, England, 1883), pp. 335-6, Lucy, Barons Lucy]
2005016151. Rohese Fitzrichard De CLARE was born 1090 in Tunbridge, Kent, England. She died 1179 in Holy Trinity Church, London, England. [Parents]
2005016152. William BISET Sir Knight was born WFT Est 1106 in Holderness, Yorkshire, England. He died Dec. William married Mrs. Hawise (Nmn-William) BISET.
. WILIAM BISET, first documented ancestor of this family in England,was a baron of Stephen, Count of Aumale and lord of Holderness,Yorkshire [EYC, etc.]. William Biset and his wife, HAWISE were parents
of at least six children (possibly seven):
2005016153. Mrs. Hawise (Nmn-William) BISET was born WFT Est 1110 in England. She died Dec.
2005016156. Eustace Fitzjohn De BURGO Lord Of Alnwick was born about 1080 in Knaresborough Castle, Yorkshire, England. He died 3 Jul 1157 in Alnwick Castle, Northumberland, England. Eustace married Agnes FITZNEEL on 1128 in 2ND Husband. [Parents]
Eustace Fitz-John (nephew and heir of Serlo de Burgh, founder of Knaresborough Castle), one of the most powerful of the northern barons and a great favourite with King Henry I. With his two brothers, he was a witness to the foundation of the abbey of Cirencester, co. Gloucester, 1133. He m. 1st, Agnes, eldest dau. of William Fitz Nigel, Baron of Halton, constable of Chester. By this lady he acquired the Barony of Halton, and had an only son, Richard Fitz-Eustace. Eustace Fitz-John m. 2ndly, Beatrice, only dau. and heiress of Yvo de Vesci, Lord of Alnwick, in Northumberland, and of Malton, in Yorkshire, by whom he had issue, William, progenitor of the great baronial house of de Vesci. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 121, Clavering, Barons Clavering]
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Eustace Fitz-John, nephew and heir of Serlo de Burgh (of the great family of Burgh), the founder of Knaresborough Castle, in Yorkshire, and son of John, called Monoculus, from having but one eye, is said by an historian of the period in which he lived, to have been "one of the chiefest peers of England," and of intimate familiarity with King Henry I, as also a person of great wisdom and singular judgment in councils. He had immense grants from the crown and was constituted governor of the castle of Bamburg, in Northumberland, temp. Henry I, of which governorship, however, he was deprived by King Stephen, but he subsequently enjoyed the favour of that monarch. He fell the ensuing reign, anno, 1157, in an engagement with the Welsh, "a great and aged man, and of the chiefest English peers, most eminent for his wealth and wisdom." By his first wife, the heiress of Vesci, he had two sons, and by Agnes, his 2nd wife, dau. of William FitzNigel, Baron of Halton, and constable of Chester, he left another son, called Richard Fitz-Eustace. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 555, Vesci, Barons Vesci]
2005016157. Agnes FITZNEEL was born 1084 in Halton Castle, Skipton, Yorkshire, England. She died 1166 in Alnwick Castle, Northumberland, England. [Parents]
He [Eustace FitzJohn] married, 2ndly, Agnes, elder sister and coheir of William and daughter of William FITZNEEL, both Barons of Halton in the palatinate of Chester and Constables of Chester. Eustace died in July 1157, being slain when part of Henry II's army was ambushed in the pass of Consyllt, near Basingwerk, in North Wales. His widow married Robert FITZCOUNT, apparently an illegitimate son of an Earl of Chester. He became Constable of Chester jure uxoris and died in or before 1166. [Complete Peerage XII/2:272-4, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
2005016158. Robert "Eudo" De LISOURES was born 1097 in Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England. He died. Robert married Albreda "Aubrye" De LACY on 1113. [Parents]
Ancestral File Number:
91SN-W8
2005016159. Albreda "Aubrye" De LACY was born 1097 in Pontrefact, Yorkshire, England. She died. [Parents]
Ancestral File Number:
91SN-XF
2005016160. Robert VAUX Lordships In Suffolk & Norfolk is printed as #2005015986.
2005016161. Agnes FITZWALTER is printed as #2005015987.
2005016168. Alan De CRAON was born about 1095 in Burton Craon, Lincolnshire, England. He died after 1140 in Frieston, Lincolnshire, England. Alan married Mrs. Muriel (Nmn-Alan 1095) CRAON. [Parents]
2005016169. Mrs. Muriel (Nmn-Alan 1095) CRAON was born about 1100 in England. She died Dec.
2005016172. Gilbert BASSET was born about 1105 in Wallingford, Berkshire, England. He died after 1165. Gilbert married Edith D' OYLY about 1129 in Hook Norton, Banbury, Oxfordshire, England. [Parents]
Ancestral File Number:
9QKX-KC
2005016173. Edith D' OYLY was born about 1105 in Hook Norton, Banbury, Oxfordshire, England. She died 1165. [Parents]
Ancestral File Number:
9QKX-B5
2005016174. Alan De DUNSTANVILLE was born about 1120 in Colyton, Axminster, Devonshire, England. He died before 1157 in Nyetimber, Pagham, Sussex, England. Alan married Mrs. Isabel (Nmn-Alan) DUNSTANVILLE in 1st Wife. [Parents]
2005016175. Mrs. Isabel (Nmn-Alan) DUNSTANVILLE was born about 1120 in England. She died.
2005016228. Roger De PICOT was born about 1085 in Cottenham, Cambridgeshire, England. He died Dec. [Parents]
2005016230. Henry De PORT was born 1099 in Basing, Hampshire, England. He died Dec. [Parents]
2005016240. Manasser De AGUILLON Of Marden & Nutbourne was born about 1120 in Marden, Westbourne, Sussex, England. He died after 1172 in Nutbourne Near Chichester, Sussex, England. [Parents]
Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann@yahoo.com, in a post-em, states:
MANASSER, 2nd son. (Recherches sur le Doomsday par Lechaude d'Anisy i p.151). Succeeded to Marden and Nutbourne, Sussex, and held 2 fees in Sussex of the Earl of Arundel, 1166 (Lib. Rub. Scacc. fo.85). Living 1172, when he was certified to be holding 1 fee in Normandy by serjeanty of finding ward for the town of Falaise (Lib. Rub. Scacc. fo.161).
2005016260. Robert "The King's Son" CAEN 1st Earl Of Gloucester was born about 1090 in Caen, Calvados, France. He died 31 Oct 1147 in Bristol, Gloucestershire, England and was buried in St James Priory, Bristol, Gloucestershire, England. Robert married Maud FITZHAMON [Countess Of Glo about 1115 in Gloucestershire, England.
Robert about 1090. He Not Clear Which Of Henry I's Wives Is His Mother.. [Parents]
[From Burke's Peerage-see source for details]
An undoubted Earl of Gloucester, perhaps the first authentic one, at any rate after the Conquest, is Robert FitzHamon's son-in-law, another Robert, who was an illegitimate son of Henry I and was so created 1122. The Earldom passed to his eldest son, William FitzRobert, and from him to John, later King John and husband from 1189 to 1199 (when he divorced her) of Isabel, the youngest of William FitzRobert's three daughters. On John's coming to the throne the title did not merge in the Crown for it was not his in his own right but in right of his wife.
2005016261. Maud FITZHAMON [Countess Of Glo is printed as #831791291.
2005016262. Robert "Bossu" "The Just* De BEAUMONT Earl Of Leicester was born 1104 in Beaumont, , Normandy and was christened in Also Of, , , England. He died 5 Apr 1168 in England and was buried in Leicester Abbey, Leicester, Leicestershire, England. Robert married Itta [Amicia] De MONTFORD [Countess] after Nov 1120 in Brittany, France. [Parents]
Name Suffix:
[EARL OF LEICEST
Ancestral File Number:8HRJ-6W Name Suffix:
[EARL OF LEICEST
Ancestral File Number:8HRJ-6W
2005016263. Itta [Amicia] De MONTFORD [Countess] was born 1108 in Montford DE Gael, Brittany, France. She died 31 Aug 1168 in Leicestershire, England. [Parents]
Name Suffix:
[COUNTESS OF LEI
Ancestral File Number:9G81-1D
2005016264. Gilbert Le MARSHAL Of Winterbourne was born about 1067 in Cheddar, Axbridge, Somerset, England. He died before 1130 in Winterbourne Monkton, Marlborough, Wiltshire, England and was buried before 1130 in Lord Of Tunbridge, Founded Priory Of Clare, Lord Of Cardigan. Gilbert married Miss De VENUZ about 1115 in England. [Parents]
Gilbert the Marshal, was the first known holder of the office. He with his son John successfully maintained their right under Henry I to the office of Master Marshal in the King's Household, for which they had been impleaded in the King's Court by Robert de Venoiz and William de Hastings (g). The name and parentage of Gilbert's wife are unknown. He d. in or shortly before 1130 (h). [Complete Peerage X:Appendix G:92]
(g) This appears from King John's confirmation, 20 Apr 1200, to William Marshal, Earl of Pembroke. Gilbert may have been son or grandson of an otherwise unknown Robert, who in 1086 held Cheddar, Somerset, under Roger de Courseulles. Robert the Marshal, who in 1086 held Lavington, Wilts, in chief, has been suggested as the possible progenitor of the family, but this is unlikely, as in 1166 Lavington was held by Piers de la Mare.
(h) He left at least 2 sons, John abovenamed and William Giffard, who was presented to the church of Cheddar Hole, Somerset, and was admitted by Godfrey, Bishop of Bath (1122-35), which church was given to Bradenstoke Priory by his brother John. Unless there was another brother named William, he was Chancellor to the Empress Maud in 1141 and 1142. Presumably William was called "Giffard" as a nickname -- the chubby cheeked.
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The following is a post to SGM, 8 Jan 2003, by John Ravillious, which introduces the name "Giffard" into the Marshal family (CP thought it was merely a nickname for Gilbert's brother). Perhaps this family is connected to the Giffards of Loungeville, Normandy:
From: Therav3@aol.com (Therav3@aol.com)
Subject: Gilbert Giffard of Winterbourne Monkton: ancestor of William Marshal ?
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2003-01-08 21:16:34 PSTWednesday, 8 January, 2003
Hello All,
A wise man once said, ' Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.' Well, he probably said it more than once.
Anyway, in looking about for more Despenser detritus, I came across an article from the English Historical Review from 1999 in which the author (N. E. Stacy) put forth, in part, the position that the family of William Marshal, Earl of Pembroke derived from one Gilbert Giffard (or Gibard), Domesday tenant of Winterbourne Monkton. I have incorporated the relevant portion of the article below [1].
Is anyone of the list aware of this derivation being accepted, or disproven? If this is correct, the information below impacts the ancestry of the widest range of list members (apologies to JSG: William Marshal is another good candidate for 'Kilroy of medieval English ancestry').
Good luck, and good hunting to all.
John *
NOTES
[1] From English Historical Review, Feb.1999: Henry of Blois and the Lordship of Glastonbury ( N. E. Stacy)
online: http://www.findarticles.com/cf_0/m0293/455_114/54050231/print.jhtml
' A major player in the politics of the civil war was the subject of another remarkable omission from the abbey's carta. On the border of John Marshal's manor of Rockley and only six miles from his base at Marlborough lay the Glastonbury manor of Winterbourne Monkton, including a 3 1/2-hide subtenancy over which the abbot's lordship had been recognized in 1086 and was to be again in 1173 and thereafter, but which was absent from the carta of 1166.(2) At the time of Domesday it had been held by Gilbert
Gibard'.(3) He withheld geld from his demesne, which, as a mesne tenant, he was not entitled to do, but as one of the chief officers of the royal household he was anyway exempt. For Gilbert
Gibard' or Giffard was in fact the marshal, father of John I and grandfather of John II, who answered for one fee of Glastonbury Abbey in 1173.(4) No Marshal obligation, however, was recorded in 1166. Bishop Henry's relations with the family can never have been good, since its opposition to Stephen had been patent: John I's brother, William, had become Matilda's chancellor,(5) while John himself had pursued his own interests, which took him often into the Angevin camp but rarely, if ever, into Stephen's.(6) However, the Marshal exclusion from Glastonbury's carta was not based purely on personal antagonism, for the fee they held of Henry as bishop of Winchester was duly recorded in 1166.(7) The Glastonbury problem was probably connected with a dispute between the abbey and another tenant, the earl of Salisbury, over his fee at Mildenhall (Wilts.). This large subtenancy had been granted as a marriage-portion to Earl Patrick's sister, Sybil, on her marriage to John Marshal in the 1140s and thereafter the service owed to the abbot had lapsed.(1) Whether the Marshal instigated the refusal of service from his wife's manor because of a dispute over Winterbourne or withheld service from Winterbourne because of his in-laws' dispute over Mildenhall cannot be known, but the two problems were surely connected. Bishop Henry as usual proved intractable and no settlement could be made in either case while he was alive. It was his successor, Abbot Robert of Winchester (1173-80), who secured Earl William of Salisbury's confirmation of knight service owed from Mildenhall and John Marshal II's acknowledgment of that due from Winterbourne Monkton.(2) By an irony Richard Cotel, the successor and namesake of Bishop Henry's enemy, was to marry the heiress of the rear tenant of the latter fee and so extend the presence within the Glastonbury lordship of a family which the Bishop had been at pains to expel.(3) '-------------------------------
The earliest notice of this family occurs in the time of Henry I, when Gilbert Mareschall, and John, his son, were impleaded by Robert de Venoix and William de Hastings for the office of Mareschal to the king, but without success. The son, (bearing the same surname, derived from his office), was called John Mareschall. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 357, Marshal, Barons Marshal
2005016265. Miss De VENUZ was born about 1086 in Venoix Near Caen, Calvados, Normandy, France. She died. [Parents]
Ancestral File Number:
FLHC-WD
2005016266. Walter De EVREUX Of Salisbury is printed as #415895638.
2005016267. Sybil De CHAWORTH was born about 1082 in Of Kempsford, Gloucestershire, England. She died before 1147 in In Near The Choir, Bradenstoke, Wiltshire, England and was buried in Priory, Bradenstoke, Wiltshire, England. [Parents]
Ancestral File Number:
B1QB-JS