Ancestors of Russell Owen HJELM
Thirtieth Generation
(Continued)
831791232. Ralph BASSET (Justice Of Eng) was born about 1070 in Drayton, Staffordshire, England. He died 1120 in Abbey, Adingdon, Berkshire, England. Ralph married Alice De BUCI about 1101 in Drayton Basset, Staffordshire, England. [Parents]
Few families in the early annals of England can boast of a more eminent progenitor than the Bassets, and the descendants of few of the Anglo-Norman nobles attained a higher degree of power than those of Ralph Basset (son of Thurstan, the Norman), who was justice of England under King Henry I. We find his son Ralph, in the reign of Stephen, "abounding in wealth and erecting a strong castle upon some part of his inheritance in Normandy." Ralph Basset, the justice of England, required none of the artificial aids of ancestry to attain distinction; he had within himself powers sufficient at any period to reach the goal of honour, but particularly to the rude age in which he lived. To his wisdom we are said to be indebted for many salutary laws, and among others for that of frank pledge. Like all the great men of his day, he was a most liberal benefactor to the church. He d. in 1120, leaving issue, Thurstine, Thomas, Richard, Nicholas, and Gilbert. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 26, Basset, Barons Basset, of Welden]
831791233. Alice De BUCI was born about 1073 in Weldon, Northamptonshire, England. She died. [Parents]
831791234. Galfridus RIDEL (Baron Blaye) was born about 1075 in Wittering, Stamford, Northamptonshire, England. He died 25 Nov 1120 in At Sea, 'White Ship'. Galfridus married Geva D' AVRANCHES Heiress Of Drayton about 1096 in Wittering, Stamford, Northamptonshire, England. [Parents]
831791235. Geva D' AVRANCHES Heiress Of Drayton was born about 1076 in Drayton Basset, Staffordshire, England. She died. [Parents]
The legitimacy of this lady is maintained from the circumstances of her father having bestowed upon her the manor of Drayton, in free marriage, which the lawyers say could not be granted to a bastard; but had she been legitimate, she would surely have succeeded to the earldom before her aunt. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 1, Abrincis, Earl of Chester]
The legitimacy of this lady is maintained from the circumstances of her father having bestowed upon her the manor of Drayton, in free marriage, which the lawyers say could not be granted to a bastard; but had she been legitimate, she would surely have succeeded to the earldom before her aunt. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 1, Abrincis, Earl of Chester]
831791268. Fulk PAYNEL Lord Of Dudley was born about 1052 in Les Moutiers-Hubert, Normandy, France. He died 1138 in Dudley Castle, Warwickshire, England. Fulk married Beatrice Fitzansculf Heiress Of DUDLEY about 1084. [Parents]
Fulk Paynel, of Dudley, co. Worcester, founder of Tickford Priory near Newport Pagnell, co. Buckingham, living 1130; m. possibly a daughter of William fitz Ansculf, a Domesday tenant with lands in several counties, whose lands Fulk Paynel eventually acquired. [Ancestral Roots]
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The Paynels of Dudley were descended from Fulk Paynel, who was successor of William son of Ansculf, the Domesday tenant of lands in several counties, which included Dudley, co. Worcester, and Newport (Pagnell), co. Buckingham. It is probable that Fulk acquired these lands by marriage with William's daughter, and not unlikely that he was a younger brother of Ralph Paynel metioned above, the two families being closely connected. [Complete Peerage X:320]
831791269. Beatrice Fitzansculf Heiress Of DUDLEY was born about 1054 in Anscough, Normandy, France. She died in Dudley, Worcestershire, England. [Parents]
831791270. Robert De FERRERS [1St Earl Derby] was born 1062 in Ferrers, Derbyshire, England and was christened in Charterley, Staffordshire, England. He died 1139 in Charterley, Staffordshire, England. Robert married Hawise De VITRE [Countess Of Der on 1087 in Brittany, France. [Parents]
Robert de Ferrers, having contributed, at the head of the Derbyshire men, to King Stephen's victory over King David of Scotland at Northallerton (commonly called the battle of the Standard), was created by that monarch Earl of Derby. By Hawise his wife, he had William who d. s. p.; Robert his successor; Walcheline, of Okeham; Isolda, m. to Stephen de Beauchamp; and Maud, m. to Bertram de Verdon. The earl d. in 1139 and was s. by his son, Robert de Ferrers, as 2nd Earl of Derby. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 196, Verdon, Earls of Derby]
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HR8Q-ZX Robert de Ferrers, having contributed, at the head of the Derbyshire men, to King Stephen's victory over King David of Scotland at Northallerton (commonly called the battle of the Standard), was created by that monarch Earl of Derby. By Hawise his wife, he had William who d. s. p.; Robert his successor; Walcheline, of Okeham; Isolda, m. to Stephen de Beauchamp; and Maud, m. to Bertram de Verdon. The earl d. in 1139 and was s. by his son, Robert de Ferrers, as 2nd Earl of Derby. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 196, Verdon, Earls of Derby]
Ancestral File Number:
HR8Q-ZX
831791271. Hawise De VITRE [Countess Of Der was born 1069 in Vitre, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Brittany, France. She died Unknown. [Parents]
Name Suffix:
[COUNTESS OF DER
Ancestral File Number:8PVC-JN
831791272. Robert GIFFARD Of Cheddar was born about 1045 in Normandy, France. He died after 1086 in Cheddar, Axbridge, Somerset, England.
831791274. Geoffrey De Venoix Le MARSHAL was born before 1049 in Venoix Near Caen, Calvados, Normandy, France. He died after 1086 in East Worldham, Hampshire, England. Geoffrey married Mrs. Geoffrey De VENOIX about 1085. [Parents]
Geoffrey the Marshal, son and heir [of Miles], succeeded his father in or before 1070, and with his (unnamed) brother or brothers sold to St. Stephen's, Caen, a strip of cultivated land situated between the 2 branches of the Odon at Venoix and a tenant there. He gave abbot William (1070-79) the land in which the monks had made a channel of the Odon and the claim derived from it. In 1086 he held land in chief at East Worldham, Hants, as Geoffrey the Marshal, and as Geoffrey he held lands at Draycot, Wilts. His wife's name is unknown, but he is presumably father or grandfather of Robert de Venoix, who unsuccessfully claimed the office of Master Marshal against Gilbert the Marshal under Henry I. [Complete Peerage XI:Appendix E:123]
831791275. Mrs. Geoffrey De VENOIX was born about 1057. She died.
831791276. Edward Of SALISBURY Count Of Evereux was born 1060 in Salisbury, Wiltshire, England. He died 1130 in Bradenstoke, Wiltshire, England and was buried in Bradenstoke, Wiltshire, England. Edward married Maud FITZHUBERT about 1090 in Of Salisbury, Wiltshire, England. [Parents]
Name Suffix:
[EDWARD THE SHER
Ancestral File Number:9251-WQ
831791277. Maud FITZHUBERT was born about 1070 in Of Salisbury, Wiltshire, England and was christened in Also Of, Crick, Derbyshire, England. She died. [Parents]
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9B1S-X7 Ancestral File Number:
9B1S-X7
831791278. Patrick De CHAWORTH II was born about 1052 in Chaworth, Nottinghamshire, Eng. He died after 1123 in Kempsford, Glouc., Eng. Patrick married Matilda De HESDIN about 1079 in Salisbury, Wiltshire, England. [Parents]
Ancestral File Number:
B1QB-GG
831791279. Matilda De HESDIN was born about 1060 in Toddingham, Bedfordshire, England. She died. [Parents]
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B1QB-HM Ancestral File Number:
B1QB-HM
831791280. William D' AUBIGNY [Lord Buckingham] was born about 1075 in Aubigny, Calvados, France. He died 1139 and was buried in Priory, Wymondham, Norfolk, England. William married Maud (Mary) BIGOD about 1101 in Norfolkshire, England. [Parents]
Ancestral File Number:
V9VN-L2
William; living Norfolk temp. William II; Butler to Henry I; founder of Wymondham Priory, Norfolk, by 1207 married Maud, daughter of Roger le Bigod by his 2nd wife Alice, daughter of Robert de To(s)ny. [Burke's Peerage]------------------------------------
William de Albini, surnamed Pincerna, son of Roger de Albini and elder brother of Nigel de Albini, whose posterity assumed and attained such eminence under the name of Mowbray, accompanied the Conqueror into England and acquired extensive territorial possessions by royal grants in Norfolk and other counties. of these grants was the lordship of Bokenham, to be holden by the service of being Butler to the Kings of England on the day of their coronation, and in consequence we find this William styled in divers charters "Pincerna Henrici Regis Anglorum." William de Albini founded the abbey of Wymondham in Norfolk and gave to the monks of Rochester the tithes of the manor of Elham, as also one carucate of land in Achestede, with a wood called Acholte. He likewise bestowed upon the abbey of St. Etienne at Caen, in Normandy, all his lands lying in Stavell, which grant he made in the presence of King Henry and his barons. He m. Maude, dau. of Roger Bigot, with whom he obtained ten knights' fees in Norfolk, and had issue, William, Nigel, Oliver, and Oliva, who m. Ralph de Haye. At the obsequies of Maud, William de Albini gave to the monks of Wymondham the manor of Hapesburg, in pure alms, and made livery thereof to the said monks by a cross of silver, in which (says Dugdale) was placed certain venerable reliques, viz., "part of the wood of the cross whereon our Lord was crucified; part of the manger wherein he was laid at his birth; and part of the sepulchre of the Blessed Virgin; as also a gold ring, and a silver chalice for retaining the Holy Eucharist, admirably wrought in form of a sphere; unto which pious donation his three sons were witnesses, with several other persons." The exact time of the decease of this great feudal baron is not ascertained, but it is known that he was buried before the high altar in the abbey of Wymondham, and that the monks were in the constant habit of praying for his soul by the name of "William de Albini, the king's butler." He was s. by his eldest son, William de Albini. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, England, 1883, p. 2, Albini, Earls of Arundel]
Ancestral File Number:
V9VN-L2
William; living Norfolk temp. William II; Butler to Henry I; founder of Wymondham Priory, Norfolk, by 1207 married Maud, daughter of Roger le Bigod by his 2nd wife Alice, daughter of Robert de To(s)ny. [Burke's Peerage]------------------------------------
William de Albini, surnamed Pincerna, son of Roger de Albini and elder brother of Nigel de Albini, whose posterity assumed and attained such eminence under the name of Mowbray, accompanied the Conqueror into England and acquired extensive territorial possessions by royal grants in Norfolk and other counties. of these grants was the lordship of Bokenham, to be holden by the service of being Butler to the Kings of England on the day of their coronation, and in consequence we find this William styled in divers charters "Pincerna Henrici Regis Anglorum." William de Albini founded the abbey of Wymondham in Norfolk and gave to the monks of Rochester the tithes of the manor of Elham, as also one carucate of land in Achestede, with a wood called Acholte. He likewise bestowed upon the abbey of St. Etienne at Caen, in Normandy, all his lands lying in Stavell, which grant he made in the presence of King Henry and his barons. He m. Maude, dau. of Roger Bigot, with whom he obtained ten knights' fees in Norfolk, and had issue, William, Nigel, Oliver, and Oliva, who m. Ralph de Haye. At the obsequies of Maud, William de Albini gave to the monks of Wymondham the manor of Hapesburg, in pure alms, and made livery thereof to the said monks by a cross of silver, in which (says Dugdale) was placed certain venerable reliques, viz., "part of the wood of the cross whereon our Lord was crucified; part of the manger wherein he was laid at his birth; and part of the sepulchre of the Blessed Virgin; as also a gold ring, and a silver chalice for retaining the Holy Eucharist, admirably wrought in form of a sphere; unto which pious donation his three sons were witnesses, with several other persons." The exact time of the decease of this great feudal baron is not ascertained, but it is known that he was buried before the high altar in the abbey of Wymondham, and that the monks were in the constant habit of praying for his soul by the name of "William de Albini, the king's butler." He was s. by his eldest son, William de Albini. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, England, 1883, p. 2, Albini, Earls of Arundel]
831791281. Maud (Mary) BIGOD was born about 1088 in Belvoir Castle, Belvoir, Leicestershire, England. She died before 1136 in England. [Parents]
Ancestral File Number:
83XD-PM
831791282. Godfrey Count Of LOUVAIN Duke Of Brabant was born about 1060 in Brabant, Lorraine, France. He died 25 Jan 1139/1140 in Jerusalem, Israel and was buried in Efflighem, , Ger. Godfrey married Ida De Chiny & NAMUR about 1100 in Belgium.
Godfrey 25 Jan 1138/1139. He 1106. [Parents]
Godfrey I, Duke of Brabant from 1106, also Marquis of Antwerp and Count of Louvain, called "The Bearded", deposed from his Duchy 1127 but continued styling himself Duke and was so succeeded by his son. [Burke's Peerage]
831791283. Ida De Chiny & NAMUR was born about 1083 in Namur, Belgium. She died before 1122. [Parents]
831791284. Hasculf De ST. HILARY was born about 1067 in Harcourt, Eure, Normandy, France. He died before 1130. Hasculf married Mrs. Hasculf 1067 ST. HILARY.
831791285. Mrs. Hasculf 1067 ST. HILARY died.
831791288. Ranulph De MESCHINES 3rd Earl Of Chester was born about 1070 in Briquessart, Livry, France. He died Jan 1128-1129 in Chester, Cheshire, England and was buried in St Werburgh, Chester, Cheshire, England. Ranulph married Lucy (Lucia) Of MERCIA about 1098 in 3rd Husband.
Ranulph about 1070. He 1128. [Parents]
Ranulf or Randle de Meschines, surnamed de Bricasard, Viscount Bayeux, in Normandy, (son of Ralph de Meschines, by Maud, his wife, co-heir of her brother, Hugh Lupus, the celebrated Earl of Chester), was given by King Henry I the Earldom of Chester, at the decease of his 1st cousin, Richard de Abrincis, 2nd Earl of Chester, of that family, without issue. By some historians, this nobleman is styled Earl of Carlisle, from residing in that city; and they further state that he came over in the train of the Conqueror, assisted in the subjugation of England, and shared, of course, in the spoil of conquest. He was lord of Cumberland and Carlisle, by descent from his father, but having enfeoffed his two brothers, William, of Coupland, and Geffrey, of Gillesland, in a large portion thereof, he exchanged the Earldom of Cumberland for that of Chester, on condition that those whom he had settled there should hold their lands of the king, in capite. His lordship m. Lucia, widow of Roger de Romara, Earl of Lincoln, and dau. of Algar, the Saxon, Earl of Mercia, and had issue, Ranulph, his successor; William, styled Earl of Cambridge, but of his issue nothing in known; Adeliza, m. to Richard Fitz-Gilbert, ancestor of the old Earls of Clare; and Agnes, m. to Robert de Grentemaisnil. The earl d. in 1128 and was s. by his elder son, Ranulph de Meschines. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant and Extinct Peerages,. Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 365, Meschines, Earls of Chester]
831791289. Lucy (Lucia) Of MERCIA was born about 1070 in Crowland & Spalding, Lincolnshire, England. She died after 1130 in England. [Parents]
Lucy, living 1130, widow susscessively, of Ives Taillebois and Roger Fitz Gerold; m. probably c 1098 Ranulph III le Meschin. [Ancestral Roots]
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He [Ranulph le Meschin] married Lucy, widow of Roger FITZ-GEROLD (by whom she was mother of William de Roumare, afterwards Earl of Lincoln). He died 17 or 27 January 1128/9, and was buried at St. Werburg's, Chester. The Countess Lucy confirmed, as his widow, the grant of the Manor of Spalding to the monks of that place (f). [Complete Peerage III:166, XIV:170, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
(f) She paid 500 marks to King Henry in 1130 for license to remain unmarried for 5 years.
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The following copied from www.linacre.ox.ac.uk/research/prosop/PRSPN2.stm,
gives the latest research on the ancestry of Lucy:
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The Parentage of Countess Lucy Made PlainA lot of ink has flowed on the subject, but there can be no doubt that the 'mysterious' Countess Lucy of Chester was William Malet's thrice-married granddaughter, the daughter of Robert Malet's sister and Turold the Sheriff of Lincoln (dead by 1079). The suggestion was first made by R. Kirk in 1888. As N. Sumner has more recently observed: 'This account has the merit of explaining why the lordship of Spalding and other places in Lincolnshire were held after Ivo's death not by Beatrice, his direct heir and the daughter of his marriage to Lucy, but by the later husbands of Lucy, Roger fitz Gerold and Ranulph Meschines.' It is clear from her charters that Lucy was an heiress; as was to be expected, her estates passed to the sons of her second and third marriages. Kirk's work was based upon conjecture, and contained a number of errors. The question of Lucy's parentage has therefore remained open. Nevertheless, there is proof that Kirk was right.
A spurious charter of Crowland Abbey made Turold of Bucknall (the Sheriff) the founder of the priory of Spalding as a cell of Crowland. It also called Turold brother of Godiva countess of Mercia, but subsequently described Godiva's son Earl Algar as Turold's cognatus (cousin). A genealogia fundatoris of Coventry Abbey made Lucy a daughter of Earl Algar and sister and heiress of earls Edwin and Morcar. The Peterborough Chronicle and the Pseudo-Ingulf's Chronicle of Crowland both made Lucy the daughter of Algar and niece or great-niece of Turold. We know that William Malet was half-English, so these traditions probably boil down to a relationship between Countess Godiva and William's English mother.
In 1153 a charter [RRAN, III, 180] of the future Henry II for Lucy's son Ranulf II of Chester referred to her uncles Robert Malet and Alan of Lincoln. Alan of Lincoln was the successor, and almost certainly the son, of Domesday's Alfred of Lincoln. Chronologically, it is most unlikely that Alan was Lucy's uncle. It was probably another of Alfred's sons whom Domesday described as Alfred nepos [nephew or grandson] of Turold, then holding a fee which was certainly thereafter held with the rest of the senior Alfred's fee by his heir Alan. Domesday provides a further indication that Alfred senior married another of William Malet's daughters when it names a William as Alfred's predecessor in two of his manors. Other parts of each of these manors (Linwood and Rothwell) were held in 1086 by Durand Malet, who was probably William's son. It seems that Henry's charter can be explained by seeing a scribe, perhaps in search of rhetorical balance, commit the error of ascribing two uncles to Lucy, instead of a niece (Lucy) and a nephew (Alan of Lincoln) to Robert Malet, who was uncle to both.
Turold is evidenced in Domesday Book as a benefactor of Crowland Abbey, to which he gave a parcel of land at Bucknall. The abbey also held land at Spalding that had probably been granted to it by Earl Algar and there is evidence to suggest that Turold the Sheriff gave further land there to the abbey of St Nicholas, Angers, before 1079. Lucy and her first husband Ivo Taillebois subsequently founded, or perhaps re-founded, a priory at Spalding subject to St Nicholas, Angers. A revealing phrase from the Register of Spalding Priory reads: 'mortuo quia dicto Thoraldo relicta sibi herede Lucia predicta' [at his death Turold left an heir, the aforesaid Lucy]. The word heres, 'heir', was often used of the child who was to inherit his/her father's property. Lucy later confirmed the gifts of all three of her husbands: 'pro redempcione anime patris mei et matris mee et dominorum meorum et parentum meorum' [for the souls of my father and mother, my husbands and my (other) relatives]. The association of the priory with such a small group of people and the description of Lucy as heres of Turold strongly hint at Lucy's parentage. But we can go further still.
In their initial benefaction Ivo and Lucy referred to 'antecessorum suorum Turoldi scilicet uxorisque eius regine' [our 'ancestors' Turold and his wife]. The reference to Turold's wife indicates that some part of his landholding had come to him through his wife, something also indicated by the occurrence of William Malet amongst those who had held the Domesday lands of Lucy's first husband Ivo Taillebois before him. The apparently vague Latin words antecessor and predecessor can both be used to mean something like 'predecessor'. Each of them conveys a range of very precise meanings in different circumstances. The description of Turold and his wife as antecessores of Ivo and Lucy may be compared to the usage in a charter in the cartulary of Mont-Saint-Michel by which the Angevins Hugh Chalibot and his wife confirmed the grants of her father, who was described as antecessor noster. Other examples of this phrase show clearly that it was used by a married man to describe the parent from whom his wife had inherited the property she brought to the marriage. Acting on her own account (normally after her husband's death), the heiress will often describe herself as the daughter of the parent her husband described as antecessor noster. A rare use of the phrase was to indicate the couple's immediate predecessor, not her father but her brother. In Lucy and Ivo's case the plurality of their antecessores, Turold and his wife, puts the matter beyond doubt. Lucy's parents were indeed Turold the Sheriff and a daughter of William Malet.
K. S. B. Keats-Rohan
Linacre College
Oxford
831791290. Robert "The King's Son" CAEN 1st Earl Of Gloucester was born about 1090 in Caen, Calvados, France. He died 31 Oct 1147 in Bristol, Gloucestershire, England and was buried in St James Priory, Bristol, Gloucestershire, England. Robert married Maud FITZHAMON [Countess Of Glo about 1115 in Gloucestershire, England.
Robert about 1090. He Not Clear Which Of Henry I's Wives Is His Mother.. [Parents]
[From Burke's Peerage-see source for details]
An undoubted Earl of Gloucester, perhaps the first authentic one, at any rate after the Conquest, is Robert FitzHamon's son-in-law, another Robert, who was an illegitimate son of Henry I and was so created 1122. The Earldom passed to his eldest son, William FitzRobert, and from him to John, later King John and husband from 1189 to 1199 (when he divorced her) of Isabel, the youngest of William FitzRobert's three daughters. On John's coming to the throne the title did not merge in the Crown for it was not his in his own right but in right of his wife.
831791291. Maud FITZHAMON [Countess Of Glo was born about 1094 in Gloucestershire, England. She died 1157 in Bristol, Gloucestershire, England. [Parents]
Name Suffix:
[Countess of Glo
Ancestral File Number:V9V7-C2 Name Suffix:
[Countess of Glo
Ancestral File Number:V9V7-C2
831791292. Amaury IV Seignour De MONTFORT Count Evereux was born about 1070 in Montfort-L'amaury Castle, Ile-DE-France, France. He died 18 Apr 1137 in Montfort, , Normandy. Amaury married Agnes De GARLENDE on 1120 in Garlende, France.
Amaury See Note Page. [Parents]
Facts about this person:
Alt. Born Abt. 1070
Ancestral File Number:8XQ3-G9
831791293. Agnes De GARLENDE was born about 1090 in Garlende, , France. She died 1181. [Parents]
Ancestral File Number:
8XQ8-V2 Ancestral File Number:
8XQ8-V2
831791294. Robert I De BEAUMONT 1st Earl Of Leicester was born 1046 in Beaumont-Le-Roger, Eure, Normandy, France. He died 5 Jun 1118 in Abbey Of Preaux, Normandy, France and was buried after 5 Jun 1118 in Preaux, Normandy, France. Robert married Isabel Elizabeth De VERMANDOIS on Apr 1096 in Normandy, France. [Parents]
Name Suffix:
[COUNT OF MEULAN
Ancestral File Number:9FTX-N3 Was buried as a monk
Name Suffix:
[COUNT OF MEULAN
Ancestral File Number:9FTX-N3 Was buried as a monk
831791295. Isabel Elizabeth De VERMANDOIS was born about 1081 in Valois, Bretagne, France. She died 13 Feb 1130/1131 in Priory Of Lewes, Sussex, England and was buried in Lewes, Sussex, England.
Isabel before Jul 1147 Priory Of Lewes, Sussex, England. [Parents]
Isabel (or Elizabeth), widow of Robert (DE BEAUMONT), COUNT OF MEULAN and 1st EARL OF LEICESTER (died 5 June 1118), daughter of Hugh DE CRÉPI (styled "the Great"), COUNT OF VERMANDOIS (younger son of HENRY I, KING OF FRANCE), by Adelaide, daughter and heir of Herbert, COUNT OF VERMANDOIS and VALOIS. Isabel survived him and with the consent of her son the 3rd Earl gave the church of Dorking to Lewes priory. She died probably before July 1147. [Complete Peerage XII/1:495-6, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
Note: According to Ancestral Roots, Isabel preceeded William in death in 13 Feb 1130/31--not July 1147.
Ancestral File Number:
8XJB-1D
831791296. Anchitel De GREY Of Rotherfield was born 1085 in Rotherfield, Oxfordshire, England. He died Dec. Anchitel married Mrs. Anchitel 1085 De GREY. [Parents]
831791297. Mrs. Anchitel 1085 De GREY was born about 1090. She died.
831791300. Richard Seigneur De REVIERS Earl Of Devon was born about 1060 in Reviers, Vernon, & Nehou, Normandy, France. He died 8 Sep 1107 in Mosterton, Beaminster, Dorsetshire, England and was buried in Abbey Of Montebourg, Devonshire, England. Richard married Adelise PEVEREL on 1089 in Isle Of Wight, England. [Parents]
Richard de Reviers, Lord of Reviers, Vernon, and Nehou (all in Normandy). [Burke's Peerage. p. 832]
Richard; feudal Lord of Vernon and holder of many manors at the time of the Domesday Survey 1086; enjoyed a local prominence in the County Palatine of Chester as Baron of Shipbrooke (a subinfeudatory rank (but not a peerage title) conferred by Hugh d'Avranches or Lupus (ie. "Wolf", so-called from his ferocity and acquisitiveness), Earl of Chester with quasi-regal powers, so created 1071 in the reign of his great-uncle of the half blood William I ("The Conqueror"). [Burke's Peerage, p. 2884 on the Barony of Vernon]
Note: Burke's does not document that Richard was made an Earl of Devon.
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RICHARD DE REVIERS, Seigneur de Reviers, Vernon, and Néhou, in Normandy. His parentage is unknown, but he has been conjectured to have been son and heir of William DE VERNON (a). In Domesday he appears as the possessor of a single Manor Mosterton in Dorset. It has been erroneously considered that he was created Earl of Devon by Henry I. The authorities for this are the statements made in two monastic chronicles. There is, however, abundant charter evidence that he never styled himself an Earl, that his wife in her widowhood never styled herself a Countess, and that none of their children, nor their grandchildren, ever so styled them. He was the founder (in the technical sense of the word) of the Abbey of Montebourg.
He married Adelise, daughter of William PEVEREL of Nottingham, the elder, by Adeline, his wife. He died 8 September 1107, and was buried in the Abbey of Montebourg. His widow survived her eldest son, Baldwin, and died 27 May 1156 or later. [Complete Peerage IV:309-11, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
(a) It appears from a charter of Henry I to the canons of Breamore that Richard's son, Baldwin had an uncle Hugh, who (if by 'Avunnculus' is meant 'patruus') may be the Hugh de Redveris mentioned in a memorandum of La Trinite at Caen, and also the Hugh mentioned as son of William de Vernon in a document (of date about 1067) in the cartulary of La Trinite at Rouen, signed by William Vernonensis and Emma his wife. In the register of Carisbrooke it is said that Richard de Reviers was 'nepos' of William Fitz Osborn, after whose death (his sons John & Richard having dvp.) the Isle of Wight was inherited by the said Richard, 'tunc Comes Exonie.' So that this Richard may have been son of William de Vernon, by Emma, sister of William fitz Osborn. The continuator of William of Jumieges states that a niece of Gunnor the wife of Duke Richard was married to Osmund de Centumvillis, Vicomte de Vernon, and was mother of the first Fulk de Aneio and of the mother of the first Baldwin de Reviers.
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Following copied from Dave Utzinger, World Connect db=utzing, rootsweb.com:
Close advisor to Henry I.
Richards parentage has long been shrouded in confusion. Dugdale said he was the son of Baldwin de Meules, but this was based on the misconception that Ricahrd fitz Baldwin was the same person as Richard de Redvers. It has also been argued more recently that Richard was the son of a Baldwin de Redvers who is mentioned in the deathbed charter of his brother Richard in 1060.
However, it is most likely that Richard was a son of William de Vernon, lord of Vernon, Normandy who died after 1077, and probably before 1089. A charter of Richard de Vernon (grandson or great grandson of Richard de Redvers) preserved by Thomas Stapleton and dated by him to 1186 states that 'confirmo
donationem quam primus Willelmus de Vernone ANTECESSOR MEUS, cujus corpus in ecclesia de Vernone jacet...' If this is taken in conjunction with the facts that WIlliam de Vernon had a son named Hugh, and that Richard's son Baldwin had an uncle named Hugh, it shows that William had two sons, Hugh and Richard.Hope this makes sense. The Redvers and Vernon families were very closely linked, & it is difficult to make sense of it all.
Luke Potter
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Richard de Abrincis, surnamed de Redvers, having s. to the honours and possession of his father, resigned the Barony of Okehampton, the sheriffalty of Devon, and the custody of the castle at Exeter, in favour of his nephew, Robert de Abrincis, and was created Earl of Devon by King Henry I with a grant of the Isle of Wight in fee. This nobleman (who, from residing chiefly at Exeter, was generally called Earl of Exeter) m. Adeliza, dau. and co-heiress of William FitzOsborne, Earl of Hereford, and had issue,
I. Baldwin de Redvers, his successor.
II. William de Redvers, surnamed de Vernon.
III. Robert de Redvers.
I. Hadwise, m. to William de Romare, Earl of Lincoln.Richard de Redvers, 1st Earl of Devon, d. in 1137, and was s. by his eldest son, Baldwin de Redvers. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, London, 1883, p. 140, Courtenay, Barons Courtenay, Earls of Devon]
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The following post-em from Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann@yahoo.com, contains some of the debate/speculation about the ancestry of Richard:
Below is way more than you probably ever wanted on this subject. I apologize in advance for its length:
Luke Potter posted to gen-medieval@rootsweb.com on 09 Jan 1998 Subject: Re: Baldwin de Reviers: Richard's parentage has long been shrouded in confusion. Dugdale said he was the son of Baldwin de Meules, but this was based on the misconception that Richard fitz Baldwin was the same person as Richard de Redvers. It has also been argued more recently that Richard was the son of a Baldwin de Redvers who is mentioned in the deathbed charter of his brother Richard in 1060. However, it is most likely that Richard was a son of William de Vernon, lord of Vernon, Normandy who died after 1077, and probably before 1089. A charter of Richard de Vernon (grandson or great grandson of Richard de Redvers) preserved by Thomas Stapleton and dated by him to 1186 states that 'confirmo donationem quam primus Willelmus de Vernone ANTECESSOR MEUS, cujus corpus in ecclesia de Vernone jacet...' If this is taken in conjunction with the facts that WIlliam de Vernon had a son named Hugh, and that Ric!
hard's son Baldwin had an uncle named Hugh, it shows that William had two sons, Hugh and Richard.
A dissenting argument on Richard's ancestry: Diana Trenchard posted privately to me on 9 Jan 1998 Subject: Re: Baldwin de Reviers . . . As you will see, my quote from Bearman (1994) comes down on the other side of the possible ancestry of the first Richard Redvers. I'll leave you to judge the evidence. . . Richard de Redvers (died 1107) was the founder of the family in England as a consequence of his support for Henry prior to his becoming King Henry I. His son Balwin was created Earl of Devon in 1141 by Matilda as a reward for his vigorous support of her against Stephen. The following is a quote from the Introduction in "Charters of the Redvers Family and the Earldom of Devon 1090-1217' by Robert Bearman, pub 1994 by Devon and Cornwall Record Society, New Series, Vol 37. "The origins of the Redvers family are obscure. For many years genealogists thought otherwise, due to their reliance on William Dugdale's 'Baronage of England' (1675-6), which had mistakenly equated Rich!ard de Redvers with Richard the son of Baldwin de Meules, William I's sheriff of Devon. [footnote: His mistake was still being repeated more than 200 years later: eg DNB, iii, 34; Notes and Queries, 12th series, vii,(4 Dec 1920), p445.] The editors of 'The Complete Peerage' were aware of Dugdale's error but further compounded matters by proposing as Richard's father William de Vernon, prominent in Normandy in the eleventh century.['Complete Peerage',iv,310; 'William the Conqueror, D.C.Douglas, London, 1964,pp87-8.] The evidence on which they relied, however, does not bear this out, [footnote: their argument hinged on the relationship between Hugh and William de Vernon in a charter quoted in Round, 'Calendar', p23, no 82. The calendar makes William the father of Hugh, but in fact the relationship was the other way round ('Chartularium de Mont Rothomagi, p430, no 16).] A more plausible theory had already been advanced by Thomas Stapleton in the 1840s but in such a confused man!
ner that later genealogists were unable to follow his arguments, [footnote: 'Magni Rotuli Scaccarii Normanniae', 2 vols, Royal Historical Society, London, 1840-4, ii, pp cclxix-cclxxx; and see JR Planche, 'The Conqueror and his Companions', 2 vols, London, 1874, ii, 46, and GH White in 'The Genealogist', NS xxxvii (1921), p131.]. It was based on a charter of 1060, now available in modern edition, which mentions three Redvers brothers: Richard (who died in that year), William and Baldwin, [footnote: 'Recueil des Actes des Ducs de Normandie', ed M. Faroux, Caen, 1961, p328, no 147. The brothers' surname occurs only in the rubric.]. It was Stapleton's belief that this Baldwin was Richard's father, mainly on the grounds that Richard in turn named his eldest son Baldwin. This may seem inconclusive but the argument is given some support by Robert de Torigni in one of his interpolations in the Chronicle of William de Jumieges [pp 328-9]. Clearly the matter must be left in some doub!
t, but Stapleton's argument, unlike the others, is at least not based on errors and should therefore be preferred." [Ref: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jast/D0026/G0000005.html]
Research note:
CP Shows that Baldwin de Redvers (II), Earl of Devon, had an uncle Hugh. Assuming correct use of latin this would mean that his father Richard had a brother of this name. It is then hypothesized that this Hugh was the same as the Hugh, son of William de Vernon and his wife Emma, which would provide the same parentage for Richard. The Genealogy of the founders of Carisbrook show this same Richard to be nephew of William Fitz Osbern, and thus it was hypothesized that Richard, the first English Redvers/Vernon, was son of William de Vernon and Emma Fitz Osbern, who in turn was daughter of Osbern de Bolbec (in a 2nd msg TAF corrected name to de Crepon) and Emma d'Ivry. However this parentage for Richard was disproven. This is reported in van Houtz article, Robert de Torigni as Genealogist, in Studies in Medieval History presented to R Allen Brown, and I have not had the time to track down her reference for the disproof.In a more complete discussion of the family in the article Aspects of Robert de Torigny's Genealogies Revisited (in Nottingham Medieval Studies 27:21-7). This shows that in the generation prior to Richard, there is a Baldwin, a Richard who d.s.p., and their (presumed) brother William, son of Hugh (the author hypothesizes that William was either the youngest child of Hugh, or the only child, making Richard and Baldwin half-brothers). This last William appears identical to the William who married Emma, and had Hugh. The author calls her Emma Fitz Osbern, but this forgets that her identity as a Fitz Osbern depends on her identity as mother of Richard, which has been rejected (if he has other reasons, he does not give them). The author then hypothesizes that Richard (father of Earl Baldwin) and his brother Hugh are sons of Baldwin, and that this Baldwin is the same as the Baldwin de Redvers that Robert names as son of a daughter of Osmund de Centumuilliers, vicomte de Ver!
non (otherwise difficult to identify) by a niece of Duchess Gunnor.
Now for my own speculation (entirely unsupported!). Either the first Baldwin de Redvers, in marrying a sister of William Fitz Osbern was within the prohibited degree (of which the Normans tended to be rather scrupulous) since his wife would be granddaughter of Gunnor's brother, and his mother was granddaughter of one of Gunnor's siblings, or else Robert has erred here. Could it be that there was only one relationship with Gunnor, that Richard was great-nephew of William Fitz Osbern, and that Baldwin's mother, was daughter of a nephew (Osbern de Crepon, son of Herfast, her brother) and not of a niece (the unnamed wife of Osmund)? One could even go a step more (if William, son of Hugh was in fact a half-brother), and suggest that Robert, in confusing Osmund with Osbert shuffled generations somewhat, and that Osmund de Centumuilliers married a great-niece of Gunnor, daughter of her nephew Osbert, and by him was mother of Baldwin (rather than him being maternal grandson). !It could even be (I am speculating on the fly, without my references, but I suspect this version would stretch chronology too much, making William Fitz Osbern too much older than Richard) that Baldwin was maternal grandson of Osmund, and he in turn married the daughter of Osbert (Robert did have a tendancy to drop generations, as appears to have been the case in the Montgomery and Warenne connections to Gunnor). [Ref: TAF 15 Nov 1996]
Richard de Reviers. "Redvers" is a later spelling. The Lordship of the Island was valued for its rents, not its "very high honour" ~ a concept of later times. Richard did not adopt the style of Earl, and he died on 8 September 1107, not in 1140. [Ref: http://www.baronage.co.uk/bphtm-03/beaver1a.html]
Regards,
Curt
831791301. Adelise PEVEREL was born about 1072 in Nottingham Castle, Nottinghamshire, England. She died 27 May 1156.
Adelise about 1072. [Parents]
He [Richard de Reviers] married Adelise, daughter of William PEVEREL of Nottingham, the elder, by Adeline, his wife. He died 8 September 1107, and was buried in the Abbey of Montebourg. His widow survived her eldest son, Baldwin, and died 27 May 1156 or later. [Complete Peerage IV:309-11, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
