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A Study of
the Paine Families
(Pain, Paine, Pane, Payne)
of Long Island, New York to 1790
(Southold, Southampton, East Hampton)

This and That  - Other Stuff

Origins Possibilities of William Paine of Southampton
The Emmons / Hopkins / Crooks / King / Glover / Paine Network of Connections
Origins Possibilities of John Paine of Wading River, Long Island
Law Suit Gives Chain of Ownership of Property of John Paine of Wading River

Origins possibilities for William Paine, died 1742, of Hogs Neck, Southampton, Long Island, New York:

1 - From the William Paine, died 1654 in Southampton. Will inventoried by John Ogden, who had permission to settle 6 families in the area north of Southampton, now called North Haven, and portions of which was called Hogs Neck in the past. Hogs Neck Spring was specifically mentioned in the 1650 Ogden agreement. The William Paine will of 1742 mentions both properties.

2 - From the John Paine who married Jemima Alsop. This is suggested because William had a grandaughter supposedly named Jemima,  but he is likely too old to be son of John and not mentioned in 1707 will of John; so may just be coincidence. This John Paine of the Salem / Southold Paines.

3 - From Cornelius Paine in the 1686 Southold census. William had a son named Cornelius. A Cornelius Paine is in Southold in 1686 census, but there was also a Cornelius Parr died Southold 1716 (Salmon Records)... This Cornelius Paine could be named after his Parr side, not his Paine side. On the other hand... the Cornelius Parr name could be coming from a Cornelius Paine ancestor in the Parr tree. The Relationship of Cornelius Parr to (first?/second?) wife of William Paine, daughter of Hannah (__) Parr Knowling, not firm... possibly brother, father, or uncle.

4 - From Thomas-2 of Dedham (from Thomas-1 of Salem) Edward Huntting witnessed Hannah (__) Parr Knowling's will. She was the grandmother of at least one of William Paine's children (she named Cornelius Paine a grandson in her will). Huntting is a descendant of the Paines from Salem / Dedham.. Note also John Knowling, her husband, referred to daughter Grace Ware in England in his 1725 will. Thomas Paine of Dedham married a Rebecca Ware - grandmother of Rev Nathaniel Huntting and great-grandmother of Edward Huntting.

Conclusion: No 1 appears most likely to me, but lack of records may prevent this from ever being proven.

Investigating the Ware connection in No 4, in England, might prove intriguing. No. 2 does not look promising. As for No 3, I don't know if anyone has a firm grip on the children of Cornelius Paine of Southold, who had a family of 4 males and 3 females in the 1686 census. Cornelius is not in the 1698 census.  If the placement of Cornelius Paine in any Paine family is problematic, that leaves the possibility Cornelius was a son of the William Paine, died 1654 in Southampton.


The Ogden Family in America
Pp 12-3

"In 1647 he (Mr. Ogden) obtained permission of the Southampton authorities to plant a colony of six families at "North Sea" (Great Peconic Bay) about three miles north of Southampton. Two or three years elapsed before his removal and planting of his colony at "North Sea," which later was called Northampton."

(Notice the reference to Hog Neck Spring below, and the reference to Hog Neck Spring in William Paine's 1742 will.)

"It is granted by the major part of this towne that Mr. Ogden and his company shall have Cow Neck and Iefferies Neck [near "North Sea"] for their owne proper right, also that they shall have for their planteing land in either or both of said necks three hundred 24 acres, prouided they settle vpon it, and vpon the same grant they are to have all the meadow betwixt the brooke by the Sachems house and Hogneck spring, for their proper right provided it bee a mile from the sea side, vpon these conditions following that they must pay to all common rates of the towne at the rate of 9 hundred pounds according to the taking vp of those men that dwell there, 2ndly that hee shall place there six families that shall live there and have their abode, 3d that in case that the whole bounds of the town come to be stinted for cattle that they must be stinted also as they are that live at the towne by the same rule. In common rates as aforesaid is alsoe included the ministers meenes."

"At the aforesaid Cort Aprill the 4, 1654 It is ordered that Mr Iohn Ogden Sen & Ionas Wood shall bee the prizers of the goods and chattells belonging to Wm Paine of late deceased."

Then, in the Will of William Paine of 1742, we have: "My executors are to sell so much of my lands on Great Hog Neck, as will pay debts. I leave to my son, Cornelius Paine, 5 shillings and all the rest of my land on Hog Neck. I leave to my sons William and Isaac, all my land at Hog Neck Spring, and 30." This Hog Neck Spring is the area of Southampton now referred to as North Haven, and generally fits the description for the land Mr. Ogden was to find six settlers for.

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The Emmons / Paine Ties to the Wading River Paines

1. Benjamin Emmons, Jr. was named executor of will of John Paine of Wading River, 1762. In that will, Benjamin Emmons and Samuel Emmons were described as neighbors in property descriptions.

2. Thomas Paine follows the Emmons families of Thomas and Obadiah Emmons in the 1698 Southold Census. So far, I know nothing about this Thomas Paine. He may have been the one who died 01/14/1725 in Southold. (Salmon Records). A possibility is that this Thomas Paine is part of their household, perhaps as a brother-in-law or father-in-law through one of the Emmons wives.

History of Shelter Island, Mallman places this Thomas as a son of Cornelius, brother of Elisha Paine. But, I think he is placed there because he didn't seem to fit anywhere else and he lived on Shelter Island. I know of no direct evidence that proves that connection - but would sure be interested if there is....

2. The family of John Paine, Junr (with Sarah, and children, or grandchildren, Nathaniel & John) are next door neighbors to a Crook household (Samuel, Joseph, Susannah) in the 1698 census. The Crooks, Emmons and Hopkins will have inter-marriages in the next generation, and a Samuel Crook will proclaim Benjamin Emmons "brother" (in-law) and a Benjamin Paine "cousin", in his 1751 will. I propose the most likely candidate for that Benjamin Paine to be a son of John Paine (probable father of the grandson Benjamin named in that will) of Wading River, and the Benjamin Paine who died Oct 12, 1754 "in Wading River" (Salmon Records).

4. John and Mary Paine witnessed a will of a Thomas Emmons in 1775.

5. A Benjamin Emmons married Hannah Hopkins 1729. The Samuel Crook who called a Benjamin Paine "cousin", married Elizabeth (King)  Hopkins Crook Havens, widow of Abijah Hopkins, brother of Hannah (Hopkins) Emmons. These relationships may give rise to why Samuel Crook called Benjamin Emmons "loving brother" (in-law). This Elizabeth named her "trusty" friend, John Paine, Sr. as executor of her 1784 will. This Elizabeth is also sister of Benjamin King, the probable grandfather of the Benjamin King who's daughter married a grandson of John Paine of Wading River.

Another Hopkins sibling married Uriah Glover. There was a Josiah Glover, probable brother of this Uriah Glover, who mentioned in his 1751 will: "My executors are also to sell 3 acres of salt meadows lying at the Wading river, adjoining to Mr. John Paine's meadow".

Another Hopkins sibling, Ephraim, married Hannah Parr, a probable sister, or half-sister, of the (second?) wife of William Paine of Southampton (named in Hannah Knowling's will).

The son of another Hopkins second generation sibling, Samuel-2 Hopkins, Samuel-3 Hopkins, married Elizabeth Robinson, granddaughter of John Paine of Wading River (through daughter Elizabeth (Paine) Robinson, wife of John Robinson.)

Among the possibilities from this intriguing set of relationships:

The mother of the Benjamin Emmons, who named Benjamin Paine cousin, might be a Paine??
The wife of John Paine of Wading River might be an Emmons??
Two sisters, unknown, might be wives of John Paine of Wading River and father of Benjamin Emmons??
We await more pieces to the puzzle before we can make any judgments, however.

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Origins Possibilities of John Paine of Wading River, Long Island

There were four John Paines in the 1698 Southold Census and possibly others not recorded, making his identity difficult.

He died in 1762, tombstone not found. The birth year of Elizabeth (Paine) Robinson was 1723-4, per tombstone. His son John had two sons, born 1758 and 1760 (1778 Oath of Association), and was the grandfather of a Benjamin Paine, possibly the one born 1755 (1778 Oath of Association).

If we back off 26 years from Elizabeth's date of birth, we get 1697, as a "no later than" date of birth for John. Using 52 years from Benjamin's (25 years at marrige for he and son, plus one year for birth of each) 1755 date of birth, we get 1703. Note that 25 years of age was the typical age of first marriage for Puritans.

Another indication of his age is given in details of a lawsuit indicating chain of ownership of land claimed by his grandson, John Paine - showing his grandfather acquired his Wading River property in 1716. Assuming minimum legal age of 21 would give a "not-later-than" birth year of 1795.

He could have been born a little earlier than 1695, but probably not more than 10 years earlier, or 1685-1695.

1) John Paine, son of John-3 Peter-2, Thomas-1 and Jemima (Alsop) Paine

The father of this John Paine, married, first, possibly as early as 1678, Mary (__). He then married Jemima (Alsop) Paine Mar 24, 1692, in New Haven, Conn and had a second family with her, including a son named John in the 1698 census (probably from the second wife). This John could very well meet the criteria for the date of birth.

A daughter of this John, Jemima, married, as her second husband and his second wife, Daniel Tuthill, who named a Mary Paine as a daughter in his 1783 will. It is believed this Mary (Tuthill) Paine was the wife of John Paine, son of John Paine of Wading River, and referred to in John Paine's will as his son's widow (see wills). We therefore have this "connection" between the two families.

Although other branches of the John and Jemima (Alsop) Paine made frequent use of naming children Alsop and Jemima, we don't find those names in the descendants of John of Wading River - which in itself means nothing - but if such names had been continued, it would surely be strong indication of a relationship.

2) John Paine, son of John-3, John-2, Thomas-1 and [Sarah?] Paine
The strongest indicator of this John being involved in the ancestry of John Paine of Wading River is this family being neighbors of the Crook family in the 1698 Southold census. In a 1751 will, a Samuel Crook called Benjamin Emmons "loving brother" and a Benjamin Paine "cousin". The only Benjamin Paine I have found so far of that age is the one who died Oct 1754 in Southold Records, with the annotation "Benj Pain Last week at Wading River".

John Paine mentioned a grandson, Benjamin Paine, in his 1762 will, implying that this Benjamin was from an unnamed son (ie not his son John). We then have the age given in the 1778 Oath of Association for this Benjamin giving a year of birth of 1755. This would be possible for a father who died in Oct 1754, or the Oath age could be off by a couple of years, as we have found in other instances. This all indicates the possibility that the Benjamin Paine who died in Wading River in 1754 was a son of John Paine of Wading River, had a son born posthumously, who was named as grandson in John Paine's will > and the potential Crook tie back to the 1698 census and the John Paine as a child in that family in the 1698 census as a candidate for John Paine of Wading River.

However, we don't know know at this point if the cousinship from the Crook will comes from the mother's sides or the father's sides - or if it even means "first cousin" - that term was sometimes used to refer to nephews and other relationships.

It should be noted that it is probable that this John is older than the John, son of John and Jemima (Alsop) Paine (No 1 above). He sold land to his brother Nathaniel in 1709 in Orient. Using 21 as a legal age would give born no later than 1688. If the Sarah Paine who died age 76 in 1716 is his mother, she would be born 1640 and she would have been 48 in 1688, indicating he was probably born a few years before then - say 1678-1688. This is a touch early for our John Paine of Wading River, as it would indicate he married later than the typical age of 25 and had his kids in his 40's - but it would still be possible.

3 - William Paine of Southampton
Either John Paine of Wading River, or his yet to be identified wife, were definitely included in the Wading River social, geographical and in-law relationships of the Emmons / Crook / Hopkins / etc kinship network.

William Paine of Southampton was included in this network, as well.

John Paine was not named in William Paine's will, so if he is from this bunch of Paines, he is likely from a brother - or John Paine's wife could possibly be a Crook, Emmons, Hopkins, etal.

See the Emmons / Crook etal network essay above.

4 - Cornelius Paine of the 1686 Southold Census
I only mention this name as a possibility because I simply don't know who the 3 boys and 2 girls were in his household in 1686. Furthermore, I don't know what happened to the children in John, Senr's 1686 household, either.
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Law Suit Gives Chain of Ownership of Property of John Paine of Wading River

From: County Clerk's Historic Documents Room in the County Center, (Historic Documents Folder
50, pp. 9-14)

In the October 1773 term of the Court of Common Pleas, John Pain, infant represented by his guardian Mary Pain [almost certainly the Mary Paine who was his mother] sued Timothy Hudson over some disputed lands. The chain of title was given as:

-Gov. Edmond Andros patent to the Town of Southold
-Deed from the patentees to their associates
-c. 1688, Third Division of Southold,  land in controversy laid out to Budd & Youngs
-1711 Fourth Division, land at Wading River
-sold to Benjamin Conkling of East Hampton [not a very close cousin to the Conkling's who m. Paine's discussed yesterday]
-his son sold to Richard Low/Lorey, ca. 1716
-1716 Richard Low/Lorey conveys 3.5 lots purchased from Ananais Conkling to John Paine in fee simple
-1762 John Pain made his will; the 3.5 lots not devised in it, so descended to his grandson, the plaintiff and heir-at-law [in NY at that time primogeniture applied to intestate real estate]
Contributed by Mr. Ned Smith of SCHS.

I am presenting this information so that anyone with additional info can make contributions or corrections to this genealogy - please don't hesitate to drop me an e-mail with any comments.

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