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Is Richard Price a decendant of Thomas Price?
by Glenda Smith Jan 2, 2004, revised Dec 16, 2004 (noted in red)
Additional Documents:
FACT 1
The parentage of our Richard is not known,
however in the following manuscript, I will present
the facts that lead to the almost certainty that our Richard Price
was indeed a decendant of Thomas Price.
In 1810, there were approximately 550 families
living in Floyd County Kentucky.
The Price family names recorded on the 1810 Floyd County Tax
list and Town of
Prestonsburg are: Richard Price, Thomas Price, Thomas Price and
Jesse Price.
Name: Price,
Thomas
Township: Floyd
County: Floyd
State: Kentucky
Year: 1810
Roll: M252_6
Page: 101
Image: 108
1819- Thomas Price head of household, over 45, wife-
over 45, one son under 16 (this was John A,) one son under 26
(unknown). NOTE: William, son of Thomas was not in Floyd County
in 1810. according to Thomas Price and his decendants
written by Reverend John E. Cox.
1810- Jesse Price is head of household,
1810- Price, Richard is on the same page as Thomas Price. Scroll down on the actual image.
Database: 1810 United States Federal Census,
Floyd County KY.
NOTE: When doing a search for Richard Price in the 1810 census
on Ancestry.com, he is not shown, but clearly is there.
Census of Floyd County 1810 taken on the
24th December 1810 by Jonathan Mayo, Assistant to the Marshal
of Kentucky:
Price, Richard, 0 males to 10, 1 male to 16, 1 male to
26, 1 male 45+, 1 female to 10, 2 females to 16, 1 female to 26,
1 female 45+. 2 slaves.
1 male to 16=
1 male to 26=
1 male 45+= Richard (Head of Household)
1 female to 10=
2 females to 16=
1 female to 26=
1 female 45+=
In 1820, John Vanhoose is now listed in the Floyd County Census. (Taken Feb. 23, 1820) He is listed between Jesse Price and Hezekial Borders. John is the father to Elizabeth Vanhoose. The elder Thomas and Richard are not present. Jesse and Thomas Jr. are listed. Elizabeth Vanhoose and Richard Price marriage bond was dated Nov. 24, 1820.
NOTE: This must be the part of Floyd County that formed Lawrence County as the names on the 1830 Lawrence County census reflect such.
So the people did not move...the County changed.
Name: John
Vanhoose
Township: Not Stated
County: Floyd
State: Kentucky
Year: 1820
Roll: M33_22
Page: 24
Image Number: 33
1830 Federal Census- Lawrence County Ky, roll 38.
Richard Price is listed next to Wm Graves and Reuben Vanhoose. roll 38 pg 292.
John Vanhoose is again listed in 1830 next to Hezekial Borders. and Moses Price. roll 38 pg 293.
Early Floyd County Marriage Records-1803-1860 by Dr. Willard Rouse Jillson. Marriage Bond- November 24, 1820 by Richard Price and John Vanhoose for a marriage to be had between Richard Price and Elizabeth Vanhoose
NOTE: THAT RICHARD PRICE'S NAME IS ENTERED TWICE, LEADS ME TO BELIEVE HIS FATHER NAME WAS RICHARD.
Richard Price Land Grants-
2 Jan 1830-Louisa Fk-Lawrence Co. KY-50 acres.
18 Jul 1831-Nats Creek, Lawrence Co. KY-50 acres.
15 Aug 1832-Nats Creek, Lawrence Co. KY-50 acres.
17 Feb 1833-Nats Creek, Lawrence Co. KY-50 acres.
Brief Fact on the children
RICHARD PRICE- Did Richard and Elizabeth Price have other children?
The order of birth of the Price children cannot be given. We know that James, the first known son, was born about 1822, on Brandy Keg Gap, in Floyd County. James married Emarita Blevins, daughter of Levi and Mary Blevins on May 03, 1843 in Lawrence County. James and Emmarita raised 12 children at Patrick Grave Shoals along Nats Creek where he owned 100 acres of land along side of Richard and Elizabeth Price.
Margaret "Peggy" Price, one of
the older daughters of Richard and Elizabeth,
married June 20, 1844 to William Williamson, the son of Alden
Williamson and Mary Polly Ward. Their marriage took place in Lawrence
County.
Sarah "Sally" Price married Solomon James on April 7, 1849, They had six known children. Solomon is the son of John and Cynthia James.
Lynchia Price married James Preston on October 6, 1854 in Lawrence County.
Hannah Price married Amos Williamson November
8, 1859, in Lawrence County.
Elizabeth Price married William Lovins (LOVENS) May 24, 1871.
in Lawrence County.
Jane Price never married and was a school teacher at the Richardson Kentucky log school house on Branch, across from the Border's farm. She is interned Richardson Cemetery. source: Family letter from Emma Rita Tincher
Jane was a servant for Archibald Borders
and Jane Preston and is listed with them on their plantation in
the 1880 census of Lawrence county Ky.
FACT 2
In a 1964 letter written to Wilma Price Hale ( the daughter of
Phillip Henry Sheridan Price ), Emma Rita Robertson Tincher (
the daughter of Mary Jane Price) writes in great detail about
the family of Cleveland Price and Nancy VanHoose, and the cousin
relatinship between the Moses Price line and our Richard Price
line. This portion of the letter brings about another strong theory
of Moses Price and Richard Price cousin relationship.
Pg.6
Recorded: Saturday, September 26, 1964
Ashland, Boyd Ky
By Emma Rita Robertson Tincher
"The Sally VanHoose and Moses Price
line:
Son: Cleveland Price, his wife was Nancy VanHoose Price
Cleveland Price was 1st cousin to James Price, that is double
cousins.
Cleveland & Nancy VanHoose Prices children are Sterling Price,
Ethel Mae Price, Tenny Price, Pearl Price, Mary Price, John Price,
and Kent Price. Ethel Mae Price married Perl Shepherd, Pearl Price
m. Daniels (some mixup about the initals.) Mary Price married
Ed Parks. Tenny Price married 1st. a Mr. Hicks, a son of her 1st
marriage did live at Louisa. Her second husband was Elmer Fannin.
Sally VanHoose Price was your father's and my mother's Great Aunt
Moses Price, a great uncle to either & both. Four of the children
of this family have passed away. That is the Cleveland and Nancy
Vanhoose children. I don't know yet if Nancy VanHoose was related
in any way to Sally and Betty VanHoose. There are also mentions
of other Price's marring VanHoose girls. We don't know if Wm VanHoose
had any brothers or sisters. Mother said she could talk with her
grandmother (Betty). She talked broken Dutch, but was unable to
talk to the great grandfather WM.V.H. He was unable to speak the
English language. It's odd, as his wife was an English woman,
(mother couldn't recall her name). So the space in the first of
the record is blank. So we are all probably related to some of
the Paintsville VanHooses."
FACT 3
In Reminiscences
of Bygone Years by Zachariah VAnHoose (1823-1887)
Zachariah states that Aunt Betsy and Sally
both married Price men. Betsy
(VanHoose) married Richard and Sally (VanHoose) married Moses.
He states
that Richard was an uncle to Moses.
If this statement is true, then Richard
and Moses have Thomas Price as a common ancestor.
( Moses Price was the son of Jessie Price, grandson of Thomas
Price).
We do know that Richard Price married Elizabeth VanHoose, both believed to be buried on Price Cemetery, Richardson.
In John E Cox's book on Price family, he
mentions another son of Thomas,
unnamed, age given is a little different that age calculation
I have on
Richard per census.
John Cox in his book states that Jesse is
the only son that remained in
eastern Kentucky. He further states "Remember that Captain
Price found only
two families in Floyd county in 1810 - Thomas Price with his two
sons, and
Jesse. In 1820, only Jessie and family remained."
Donna Cox ask's: Did Captain Cox over look Richard? You will find
him in the later census of
Lawrence County. Is he the unnamed son that they thought went
west but
haven't find "hide nor hair" of?
We know now that there was a Richard Price in Floyd County in 1810. See information at top.
FACT 4
Margaret "Peggy" Price, one of
the older daughters of Richard and Elizabeth,
married June 20, 1844 to William Williamson, the son of Alden
Williamson and Mary Polly Ward.
Elizabeth Williamson Scarberry has shared
the information written by her Aunt Lizzy.
and posts this on her website:
"William "Bill" Williamson
Generation 2
3. William "Bill" Williamson,born in 1821,was married
i july 1844 to Peggy Price, daughter of Richard "Dickie"
and Betty (Vanhoose) Price.Now this part will be a bit mixed up
,but i wanted to put it in before I got so confused myself that
I couldn't get it down right.
William and Peggy had five children one being a son,James "Jim
Peg" Williamson,who married Alma "Reenie" Boyd.Now
she was the daughter of William Boyd,and Lousia Price.Who was
the daughter of Moses and Sarah "Sally" Vanhoose,A sister
to Betty Vanhoose.Richard and Betty are Peggy's parents and Louisa's
grandparents,making Louisa Peggy's aunt . Richard and Mose
were first cousins. My Grandparents shared their their grandparents.
Now how confusing is this? Richard and Mose and Betty and Sarah
were my GGgrandparents.
William "Bill" Williamson and Peggy Price were my Ggrandparents
along with William Boyd and Lousia Price who were my Ggrandparents
also.Confused yet? I'm not finished yet.
Sarah Price was Richard "DICKIE"Prices sister, she married
Solomon James, Who in turn was a brother to Cynthia James ,wife
of James Williamson Sr. James being a brother to William "Bill"
Williamson,Asa, and Stephen.Who were sons of Alden Williamson
Jr. Alden being my GGgrandfather.
William "Bill" died in 1850 or 1860,leaving his wife
Margaret "Polly" Williamson my Ggrandmother,and their
five children; Polly, James, Thomas, Elizabeth, and Allen, they
all lived on nat's creek, Ky.Johnson, Co.
4. This is my grandparents on my fathers
side.
James "Jim Peg" Williamson, born Jan. 1847 and died
July 1922, married Reenie Boyd. She was the daughter of William
and Louisa (Price) Boyd. Jim Peg and Reenie were Farmers and raised
their family on Nat's Creek In Lawrence Co. Ky.Their children;
Bob Farley further explains:
http://www.bobfarley.com/genealogy/jim_peg_and_alma.html
The intertwined relationships of Jim Peg and Alma
(Note: I am a great-grandson of James "Jim Peg" Williamson.
He was my grandmother's father-in-law. This document is based
upon best information available, and is not intended as "gospel."
The definitions of cousins is put together from such sites such
as http://wymple.gs.net/~longstrt/consangu.html, where
you can also find a chart to use in figuring relationships, if
you don't like using the Relationship Engine I wrote.)
Some time in the mid-1800s in the hills of Kentucky, second and
third cousins James "Jim Peg" Williamson and Alma "Reenie"
or Almarena Boyd were married. One hundred and fifty years later,
we're still trying to figure out how this dual relationship came
about and what it means to our genealogy. Perhaps this treatment
will shed some light.
First of all, anyone who is trying to figure out family relationships
must know how cousins are connected. Here is that information:
First cousins share grandparents.
Second cousins share great-grandparents.
Third cousins share great-great-grandparents, and so on.
Second cousins
First, let's look at the second cousin link between James and
Alma. This link comes about through James and Alma's relationship
to Elizabeth "Betty" Vanhoose and Sarah "Sally"
Vanhoose, who were said to be sisters. Betty and Sally were grandmothers
to James and Alma, respectively. Betty and Sally's parents were
the common relatives to both James and Alma. Following is a list
of direct ancestors of James and Alma to their common ancestors.
JAMES'S LINK TO BETTY AND SALLY'S PARENTS
James "Jim Peg" Williamson
Margaret "Peggy" Price Williamson -- parent
Elizabeth "Betty" Vanhoose Price -- grandparent
John B. Vanhoose -- great-grandparent
ALMA'S LINK TO BETTY AND SALLY'S PARENTS
Alma Boyd Williamson
Louisa Price Boyd --parent
Sarah "Sally" Vanhoose Price -- grandparent
John B. Vanhoose -- great-grandparent
Given that the parents of your grandparents are your great-grandparents,
and given that Betty is James's grandmother and Sally is Alma's
grandmother, Betty and Sally's parents are James and Alma's great-grandparents.
Sharing great-grandparents indicates that James and Alma were
second cousins.
Third cousins
Next, let's look at the third cousin link between James and Alma.
This link comes about through James and Alma's relationship to
Moses Price and Richard Price, who were said to be first cousins.
Their shared grandfather is thought to be Thomas Price. Following
is a list of the direct ancestors from Alma and James to their
common ancestor.
ALMA'S LINK TO THOMAS PRICE
Alma Boyd Williamson
Louisa Price Boyd -- parent
Moses Price -- grandparent
Jessie Price -- great-grandparent
Thomas Price -- great-great-grandparent
JAMES'S LINK TO THOMAS PRICE
James "Jim Peg" Williamson
Margaret "Peggy" Price Williamson -- parent
Richard "Dickie" Price -- grandparent
Unknown Price -- great-grandparent
Thomas Price -- great-great-grandparent
We see that Thomas Price is the common ancestor of both James
and Alma. Although we don't have Richard Price's father's name,
we must surmise that Richard's grandfather is the same as Moses's
grandfather, since sharing a grandfather is the prerequisite for
being first cousins. If Richard and Moses were indeed first cousins,
it is certain that their fathers were brothers, the sons of Thomas
Price. Unfortunately, the name of the brother who was Richard's
father has not been determined by research.
FACT 5
posted 11/26/04, Thanks Donna Stepp Cox
Letter written from Rev. John E. Cox to Mrs. Reck Childers, (Goldie Mae Price) dated July 19th 1924.
Your comments are appreciated!
Glenda
Thank-You to all that share this information!
Elizabeth
Williamson Scarberry ...http://community.webtv.net/libeme/ElizabethsMemories
Some
Memories of William's Branch(Creek) By Wallace Williamson. ...http://community.webtv.net/triangle71/WallacesGems
Bob Farley.....http://www.bobfarley.com/genealogy
Mary K. Goodyear... In Reminiscences of Bygone Years by Zachariah VAnHoose (1823-1887)
Billy R Wilson...
Thomas Price and his decendants written by Reverend John E. Cox. ...
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/w/i/l/Billy-R-Wil
son/FILE/0009page.html?Welcome=1042758965 (this link is no longer working)
I have a copy if interested please e-mail me.
Read The Tincher Letters