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Here is some of the information about the de Via Bishops.  I found this in a French Library near Paris.  I don't know if or how they are related to the VIA family.  Source: Les Papes D' Avignon (1305-1378) Letouzey & Ane', Paris, 1949 Nihil obstat- lutetiae Parisiorum by G. Mollat. p. 483 and 43.
1. Bernarde de Via (Cardinal appointed by Pope Jean XXII) (page 483)
    Jacques de Via (Cardinal appointed by Pope Jean XII) (page 43).
Some background historical context is found in: Lives of the Popes by Richard P. McBrian, HarperCollins Publications SanFrancisco, CA. 1997
Pope Jean XXII was Pope from August 7, 1316 to December 4, 1334. He was the second of the Avignon Popes.  He was born Jacques Duese (of Cahors), he was the cardinal-bishop of Porto at the time of the election to the papacy on August 7, 1316 in Lyons after the death of Clement V.  Jacques was 72 years old at the time of his election.  He was crowed in Lyons on Sept. 5, by Cardinal Napoleone Orsini. He lasted 18 years as Pope.  All of the Pope Jean XII appointments to the college of Cardinals were French except for one Spaniard and 4 Romans.  His worst fault was nepotism, bestowing money, gifts and church offices on relatives and friends.  Two of these relatives were his nephews Barnarde and Jacques.  This Pope is known for opening the church in Armenia, India and Iran and beginning the papal library of Avignon.  He also founded the university in Cahors.   He died on December 4, 1344 at age 89 and was buried in the Cathedral of Notre-Dame-desDoms in Avignon.
-- from Leon Via

"Despite the Templars' abandonment of any papal affiliation, this new Order was not apparent as a Templar institution, and since the Pope held the international reins of Chivalric Orders, a meeting was necessary for registration. Gaston de la Pierre Phoebus was the senior representative for the mission, and Pope John agreed to issue a Charter so long as his own nephew, Jacques de Via, became the operative Grand Master. However, de Via died on 6th May 1317, and the position immediately became vacant, whereupon the Knights elected Guidon de Montanor (who was then in Scotland), and they duly returned with the necessary Charter of Incorporation, which they present to King Robert."
-- from Brenda Clark

My family who left [Virginia] about 1870, had a vague feeling that somewhere in the past, we were Huguenots, but it was not a big issue, just a casual speculation in passing. We were very poor farming folk when we first came to Texas after the Civil War. The land of our fathers was a battleground in 1862, and again in 1864, and a higher education was not a priority then. I have thought, because there was not much knowledge of Medieval or Renaissance or Church or French history, that perhaps there was more to the Huguenot origin than folklore, that these uneducated folk had to have heard the story from verbal tradition through the centuries. No one in the family seemed to know from whence it came. I have simply kept the thought in my head and have made some attempts to prove or disprove it. I have done research in England and France particularly. I am aware that along the English Channel, in seacoast towns especially, there reside and have for at least four centuries, that I am aware of, many Vye families. There is little distance between France and England along the English Channel, and most of the Vyes stayed in villages and parishes along this coast suggesting that they were probably fishermen or somehow made their living at sea. There has been much travel back and forth across the channel from the earliest of times. Directly across from England there is a Vire River that empties into the channel and a Vire castle in France a short distance inland from that coast. Perhaps a possibility here. Actually the Latin pronunciation of Via is V-long I -and the A is pronounced as an aspiration, a diphthong. Think of viaduct, viable, vial, Viagra, viaticum. All long I's. Second acceptance in all my dictionaries is listed with I as long E, the Romance language pronunciation of I. In Texas because of the Spanish influence, people say V-long E-A (uh), as in Air Mail, but in the dictionary V-long I-A is the first pronunciation. I laughingly advance that we originated as a Roman Legionaire who retired in Southern Gaul, perhaps in Arles or Aix-en-Provence. Have you ever been to Cahors on the Lot River? When the Papacy was moved to Avignon during the great schism of the 14th century, Pope John XXII (Jacques, surname Duese) was from Cahors, and he had two Via (de Via) nephews (must have been sons of his sister because surnames are different), Jacques de Via and Armand de Via that the Pope elevated to the positions of Bishop and Cardinal. There was a large de Via family around Cahors, which is not far distant from the hotbed of dissenters in Languedoc. I am not proficient in French or Latin, but I can read parish registers, menus and get the gist of deeds and wills. My sister and I spent a week in Cahors, capital of the department, pouring over records in the archives for the entire department. We stayed in the castle or palace overlooking the Lot River that Pope John XXII built as his summer retreat, and which is now a fine hotel. When we left there, we went to Avignon. In Avignon The Palace of the Popes is in a constant state of restoration, and not all rooms are open, but there is one small room of sculpture that is. There is a bust of the Cardinal (Armand) in the room, and Jacques' name is on a plaque on the wall as Bishop of Avignon. Their father was Pierre de Via (his will). Armand built and lived in the Petite Palais that stands in front of the Palace of the Popes and which is open to the public. In New Avignon (across the Rhone River) there is a church in which Armand was Bishop, and his tomb is there to view. These ecclesiastics are mentioned in various documents (in Latin) in the British Library (when I saw them first, they were in the Briish Museum). We proved nothing, of course. That was 14th century, and Amor makes no appearance for another 300 years. But it is a place to start in Europe (and incidentally, the name is very uncommon in Europe also). There are just a few pockets of de/da Via (in Valladolid in Spain, a few in Paris, the large contingent in Cahors, one in Bologna, Italy, and I believe I saw one in a parish register in the Ardennes in the 18th century). Of course, there may be others about whom I am unaware and know nothing. There is a small village, named Vias, near Narbonne. I met a charming, friendly old lady in the little park there who spoke no English, and I could not converse in French, but we each knew enough Spanish (Narbonne and Vias being near the border with Spain) that we communicated in this third language. I have never searched in Holland, Belguim or Germany. Many Huguenots fled to those countries, especially to the Low Countries after the Spanish were driven out. There is not a VIA in the London telephone directory nor in any directory that I have checked in England. I can't help thinking that Amor just passed through there on his way to America, although he had to have learned to read and write English somewhere. Perhaps he was of one of those Vye families along the coast and the spelling changed or remained in a state of flux as it continues to. There is a Robert and a William Vie on the Isle of Ely in the 17th century. Don't go looking for it in the North Sea. It is in the Fens, landlocked, in Cambridgeshire
--from Janelle


1450 Jaquelina Via (female) born in Paris, Seine, France, wife of Lambert Uthmann (IGI; FHL #446255)
-- from Leon Via


1637 Baptism of Jean Vio
-- from Leon Via (Index of Baptism Records of Montauban, 1637-43, p. 15)

1642 Marie Via (female) approx. birth date in St-Nicolas-Des -Champs, Paris , Seine, France
Father: Robert Vie    Mother: Sainte Paulin     (IGI; FHL # 502506)
-- from Leon Via

I found the following at the Walloon Archives in Amsterdam and the Central Bureau voor Genealogie in Den Haag, Netherlands.
This is a baptism record of Pierre Via in 1651.
Baptise' a' Montauban le 19 Mars, 1651
Via, Pierre,
fil, de Jean,
et de Anne Baissiere
-- from Leon Via

Louis VIA, né le 14 mai 1666, décédé le 22 janvier 1724.
allié le 28 octobre 1686 - , Chessy, SEINE ET MARNE, à Marie MAILLET, décédée le 23 juillet 1703, dont
Louis VIA, born 14 may 1666, died 22 january 1724.
married 28 october 1686 - , Place: Chessy, Seine et Marne, to Marie MAILLET, died 23 july 1703
-- from Bob & Lisa Price (communication from Mr. Gogel, a French researcher)

I found a reference to a Via who was a minister (Huguenot) in France in the city of Sabarat.
Source: Essai sur L'Histoire Du Protestantisme dans la Generalalite De Mountauban sous l'Intendance de N.-J Foucault 1674-1684.  Documents in edits Carte et gravures hors-texte.  by Robert Garrisson.  Publication Du Musee' Du Desert en Cevennes, page 261-261. Liste des pasteurs et anciens qui assisterent aux synodes du Haut-Languedoc et de la Haute-GuSynode de Millau, 18 Octobre 1674.
Colloque de Foix:  Sabaret: le sr   de Via, Ministre. It is interesting to note that from the Colloque de Foix region their were 9 churches. But, only two of the nine came to the Synod.  Ministre de Via and Ministre de la Riviere from Le Mas-d'Azil.  The other church were Saverdun, Calmont, Carla, La Bastide-de-Leran, Les Bordes, Camarade, Maseres and the two above.  Five had letters of d'excuse and two were absents. I believe that Ministre de Via could be one of our relatives from the south of France.
-- from Leon Via

Also in Montauban the name N. de Bia or DEBIA appears in records in judgment by the Jesuits who charged this man for being
a relapsed heretic. He was jugded and banished in 1683 by the parliament of Toulouse .
-- from Leon Via

As You may know a Via Coat of Arms says VIA (da) from Bologne. It is a lion  stand on two feet with his tongue out and tail up holding a feur-de-lis in his hands representing purity. The back ground is red on the bottom and white on the top.
-- from Leon Via

Source: Association Oath Rolls: British Plantations 1696  --Thanks, Buddy
                                        THE HAGUE
Your Magesties subjects residing at the Hague.
Phil McDonald Henry Yorkes Jean Vie
John Chamers John Lillie John Colbert
Richard Ball James Mercer George Jefferson
Thomas Harrison Abram Fletcher

We your Magesty's most dutiful and Loyal Subjects, residing in the Province of Holland have thought it equally our duty to sign the above written Association, as if we were actually in Your Majesty's Realms and Dominions and we humbly take this occasion to assure Your Majesty that we sincerely acknowledge the hand of Providence in the preservation of Your Majesty's Most Sacred Person from the late horrid Conspiracy, and that we do ardently offer up our Prayers to the Almighty God for the Continuance of Your Majesty's life and the prosperity of Your Government as any of your Majesty's dutifull and Loyal Subjects.  Wheresoever all the Hague this first day of May 1696.

[Jean Vie could become John if the king rewarded him with land in Virginia.]