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The Golden Falcon

Chapter VII/4 - Redrose

Fig. 65 - Tudor, Beaufort, de la Pole, Roet & Chaucer.

Sir Paon or Payn Roet >:

(a) Katherine Roet (d. 10.5.1493) = (1) Sir Hugh Swynford >:

     1. Blanchette Swynford (1367?)

     2. Thomas Swynford (1368-1432), constable of Pontefract Castle where Richard II died.

(b) Philippa Roet = Geoffrey Chaucer (1340-1400) > Thomas Chaucer (1367-1434) = Matilda

     Burghersh > Alice Chaucer (1404-1475) = (1) Thomas Montacute, earl of  Salisbury (d.

     1428) = (2) William de la Pole, 1st Duke of Suffolk (1396-1450) > John, 2nd Duke of

     Suffolk (1442-91), = Elizabeth Plantagenet of York, sister of Edward IV


Sir William de la Pole (d.1366) of Ravenser, near Hull, Mayor of Hull in 1333, lord of Holderness, knight and merchant  (1339-49) > Michael, 1st earl of Suffolk (1330-1389), Chancellor > Michael, 2nd earl of Suffolk (1361-14215) died at Harfleur > Michael 3rd earl of Suffolk died at Agincourt > William de la Pole, 4th earl of Suffolk killed in 1450 by Yorkists = Alice Chaucer.


Katherine Roet by John of Gaunt whom she married afterwards >:

(a) Henry Beaufort (13765-14) Cardinal  Beaufort

(b) Thomas Beaufort (1377-1427 obsp) = Margaret, d. of Richard Neville, earl of Warwick

     “the Kingmaker”

(c) Joan Beaufort = (1) Sir Robert Ferrars = (2) Ralph Neville of Raby, 1st earl of

     Westmorland > Cecily Neville “the Rose of Raby” = Richard Plantagenet, Duke of York


     A. Edward IV

     B. Richard III

     C. Elizabeth Plantagenet = John de la Pole, 2nd Duke of Suffolk

(d) John Beaufort (1372-1409) = Margaret Holland (niece of Richard II) >:

     1. Joan (d. 1445) = (1) in 1424 James I (d. 1438), king of Scots = (2) Sir James Stuart,

         “the Black Knight” of Lorn

     2. John Beaufort, duke of Somerset = Margaret Beauchamp > Margaret Beaufort =

         Edmund Tudor = Henry VII Tudor = Elizabeth Plantagenet, d. of Edward IV

     3. Edmund Beaufort, duke of Somerset >:

         a. Edmund Bdeaufort (ex. 1471 at Tewkesbury)

         b. John Beaufort (exec. Tewkesbury 1471)

         c. Henry Beaufort, duke of Somerset (exec 1464) > earls of Worcester

         d. Anne Beaufort = in 1469 Sir William Paston

         e. Margaret Beaufort = Humphrey Stafford, earl of Buckingham


Edmund de la Pole, earl of Suffolk and his brothers, the earl of Lincoln and lord William de la Pole were Yorkist heirs.  Edmund, William, James Tyrell and William Courtenay, son of the earl of Devon were proclaimed traitors  by Henry VII - Tyrell was executed.


Yorkist heirs:


(A) Margaret Beauchamp = (1) Sir John St. John > Edith St. John = Sir Geoffrey Pole of Medmenham > Reginald Pole = Margaret Plantagenet, Duchess of Salisbury, d. of the Duke of Clarence exec. with her brother Edward earl of Warwick by Henry VIII.


(B) William de la Pole > John de la Pole (betrothed to Margaret Beaufort who was his father's ward) = Elizabeth Plantagenet, Edward IV's sister.  He fled to Burgundy to the court of Richard III's sister Margaret and died in  the Lambert Simnel's uprising, his younger brother was executed by Henry VIII who also executed th earls of Exeter, Surrey, Buckingham, Montagu (all Yorkist heirs) and Richard III's illegitimate son John of Gloucester.


The Winters may have been retainers of the Staffords, dukes of Buckingham and Gloucester who were lords of Brecon.  Benedict Wynter appears amongst the burgesses in the charter of the borough by the first Stafford, duke of Buckingham in 1448 and Andrew Wynter, Sheriff of Brecon in 1553 was the last bailiff under the duke of Buckingham.


The first lord of Brecon was Bernard of Neufmarche, Newmarch or Novo Mercatu, said to be William the Conqueror's half-brother called Pancewolt through his mother Herleva ("frater uterinus") held land near Bath called Dunkerton from Thurstin fitzRolf, Gillingham in Dorset, Hildesley in Gloucester, the manor of Froxfield in Sussex and Lundy Island.  In 1088 he took part in a rebellion against William Rufus led by Odo, Bishop of Bayeux with Ralph Mortimer and Roger de Lacy, ravaging Worcester and Herefordshire.  He married Nest or Agnes, daughter of Osbern fitzRichard of Richard's Castle by his wife Nest, daughter of Gruffyd ap Llywelyn ap Seisyll, Prince of North Wales.  Seisyll was killed in 1063 by Harold and Tostig Godwinson.  Newmarch was witness to a charter of William the Conqueror dated 1086-7 in favour of Battle Abbey which he signed "Bernardus de Novo Mercatu".  He captured Brecon from Bleddyn ap Maernarch in 1092 and held it till 1125.  Giraldus Cambrensis (Gerald de Barry, archdeacon of Brecon) in "Itinerary of Wales" wrote of him in 1188.


He said:the county of Brecknock was divided into 3 cantrefs.  They were called Selyf, Tewdos & Einon after the sons of Einon ap Gruffyd ab Elise.


Bernard de Neufmarche to conquer Brecknock.  He married Nest, daughter of another Nest (wife of Osbern fitzRichard and daughter of Gruffydd ap Llywelyn, the Welsh tyrant.  She was named Nest after her mother but the English called her Agnes.


Bernard had children by her, one was Mahel, a distinguished knight, who lost his inheritance through injustice.  His mother fell in love with a certain knight and committed adultery with him.  When this became known, her son Mahel beat up her lover one night as he left his mother.  He gave him a beat him badly, mutilated him and sent him off in disgrace.  His mother, disturbed by the great uproar which followed was greatly grieved and filled with a burning wish for vengeance.


She fled to the Englihs king Henry I and told him maliciously that Mahel was not Bernard's child but another's with whom she had been secretly in love and committed adultery.  She swore an oath in person before the whole court, saying this story was true.


Through this perjury, King Henry, swayed more by prejudice than reason, gave Nest's elder daughter (Sybil), whom she said was Bernard's daughter, in marriage to his own kinsman, a distinguished young knight named Milo fitzWalter, constable of Gloucester, giving him Brecknock as a dowry.  Milo was made earl of Hereford by Heny's daughter, Matilda, the Empress.  By his wife Milo fathered a distinguished family, amongst whom were 5 sons, all of famous knights named Roger, Walter, Henry, William and Mahel, each of of whom succeeded their father except William.  They all died, leaving no issue and every one of them met an untimely death by some extraordinary vengeance or by misfortune,


Walter, Constable of England was son of Roger de Pitres.  The Empress Matilda (who landed at Arundel on 30.9.1139) revived the earldom of Hereford for Milo fitzWalter in 1141.  He was accidentally shot by an arrow on 24.12.1143 when hunting in the Forest of Dean.  Of his 5 sons Roger died in 1155, Walter was last traced as living in 1159, Henry was killed in Gwent by Seisyll ap Dyfnwal in 1175, William did not live to succeed and Mahel was killed in 1175 in Bronllys Castle when a stone fell on his head during a fire.


The youngest brother, Mahel was Milo's last heir.  He was more notorious for his great cruelty than than all the others.  He was so determined to harm David II, Bishop of St. Davids (David fitzGerald, Gerald de Barry's uncle) and to land and retainers under his control, that David was compelled to abandon his jurisdiction over Brecknockshire and to go into exile, first to other parts of his diocese and then to England.


One day when Mahel was being entertained by Walter de Clifford (died 1190, son of Walter fitzPons) in Bronllys Castre when the building burned down by accident.  A stone, falling from the main tower, struck Mahel a mortal blow on his head.  He immediately sent messengers to the Bishop to asking to return quickly.  "Oh father!" he lamented "holy Bishop, your saint has exacted a cruel vengeance!  He did not wait for my repentance, miserable sinner that I am.  He has lost no time in causing my death and destruction."  He died bewailing his fate with tears and lamentation.  He died in miserably before completeing the first year of his rule.

Fig. 66 - lordships of Brecon & Gloucester and the manor of Dyrham.


Lordship of Brecon & the manor of Dyrham.


Bernard Newmarch >:

William Newmarch > Henry Newmarch = Frethesant Paganell, widow of Geoffrey Lutterell 1299) who held Dunster >

(1) Isabel Newmarch = Ralph, son of John Russell of Kingston Russell >:

    (A) Matilda Russell = Robert Waleran, Constable of St. Briavels Castle

    (B) Robert Russell given Dyrham William Russell (d. 1311) > Theobald Russell >

         Ralph Russell (1357) > Sir Maurice Russell (d. 1416) >:

         1. Isabel Russell = (1) Sir John St. Loe = (2) Sir John or Walter Drayton who sold his

             share to Gilbert Dennis

         2. Margaret Russell = Sir Gilbert Dennis > Sir Maurice Dennis > Sir William Dennis >

             Sir Walter Dennis = Margaret, d. of Sir Richard Weston of Surrey who by his Will

             dated 2.2.1540 conveyed Dyrham to George Wynter, Treasurer of the Navy to

             Elizabeth I & brother of Sir William Winter.  Hinton manor was conveyed by Sir

             William Dennis on 22.9.1508 to others.  Sir Nicholas Poyntz of Iron Acton conveyed

              it and lands in Dyrham to Thomas White who on 14.4.1541 granted it to Robert

              Elyot, mayor of Bristol so that Severn shipping should be free of tolls in Bristol.  Sir

              Nicholas was guardian of John Winter of Lydney.

(2) Sybil Newmarch = Milo fitzWalter, son of Walter, Constable of England by his wife,

     Emma, d of Drue de Baladun, lord of Abergavenny.  (Walter was son of Robert of

     Gloucester, illegitimate son of Henry I).  Milo helped Queen Maud against king Stephen

     and was made earl of Hereford, Constable of Gloucester and lord of Brecon.  He was

     killed on 14.12.1143 in the Forest of Dean) > Bertha 2nd d. = William de Braiose of

    Bramber, Sussex & Falaise, Normandy > William de Braiose (d. 1211 at Corbeil) =

   Maud/Matilda de St. Valery.  He was castellan of Brecon & Abergavenny, witness to

   murder ot Prince Arthur of Brittany and ancestor of the Winters (see descent of the

   manor of Bramley, Surrey) d. = Humphrey de Bohun, lord of Brecon, earl of Hereford,

   supporter of Simon de Montfort, earl of Leicester against Henry III > William de Bohun,

   earl of Northampton, lord of Brecon = Elizabeth, d. of Bartholomew Badlesmere, lord of

   Castlecombe >:

   A. Mary de Bohum = Henry IV

   B. Eleanor de Bohun = Thomas Plantagenet of Woodostock, duke of Gloucester &

       Buckingham > Anne Plantagenet, widow of William Bourchier = Ralph Stafford >

       Humphrey Stafford = Margaret I Beaufort, d. of Edmund, earl of Somerset.

       (Humphrey’s cousin Henry Stafford = Margaret II Beaufort, d. of John, duke of

       Somerset, Edmund’s brother.  Margaret II’s 1st husband was Edmund Tudor by

       whom she had Henry VII.  She = (3) Sir Thomas Stanley, a Yorkist who defected to

       the Lancastrians on Bosworth field) > Humphrey Stafford (d. 1460) = Anne Neville,

       d. of the earl of Westmorland > Humphrey Stafford (d. 1483) = Katherine Woodville,

       sister of Queen Elizabeth, wife of Edward IV.  Katherine was widow of Jasper Tudor

      (Henry VII’s uncle).


Lordship of Glamorgan

Hamon Dentatus > Robert fitzHamon = Sybil >:

(1) Amicia = earl of Brittany

(2) Mabel (d. 1157) = Robert (d. 1147), Consul of Gloucester, illegit. son of Henry I >:

     A. Maud = Ranulf “Gernons”, earl of Chester

     B. William, earl of Gloucester (d. 1183) = Hawise (d. 1197), d. of Earl of Leicester >:

          1. Isabella (d. 1217) = (1) King John (div) = (2) Geoffrey Mandeville, earl of Essex (d.

             1216) = (3) Hubert de Burgh

          2. Amicia (1217-18) = Richard de Clare, earl of Hertford > Gilbert de Clare, earl of

             Gloucester & Hertford (d. 1230) = Isabel (d. 1240), d. of William Marshall, earl of

             Pembroke = (2) Richard earl of Cornwall in 1231 >:

             a. Amicia de Clare = Baldwin de Redvers, earl of Devon

             b. Isabella de Clare (d. 1295) = Robert Bruce of Annandale

             c. Richard de Clare (d. 1262) = Matilda, d. of John de Lacy, earl of Lincoln >:

                 (1) Roessia de Clare = Roger de Mowbray

                 (2) Margaret de Clare = Edmund Plantagenet, earl of Cornwall

                 (3) Isabel de Clare = William of Montferrat

                 (4) Gilbert de Clare (d. 1295) = (1) Alice de Lusignan (div) = (2) Joan Plantagenet

                     of Acre >:

                     (A) Elizabeth de Clare (d. 1360), held lordship of Glamorgan = John de

                           Burgh earl of Ulster (d. 1313) = (2) Theobald de Verdon (d. 1316) = (3)

                           Roger d’Amory.  By (1) > Wiliam de Burgh, earl of Ulster (d. 1362) =

                           Maud, d. of Henry Plantagenet, earl of Lancaster > Elizabeth, Countess of

                           Ulster = Lionel Plantagenet, earl of Clarence, son of Edward III > Philippa

                           Plantagenet (d. 1382) = Edmund Mortimer, earl of March (d. 1381) Roger

                           Mortimer (d. 1398) = Eleanor Holland (d. 1405) > Anne Mortimer =

                           Richard Plantagenet of York earl of Cambridge (d. 1415) > Richard

                           Plantagenet, duke of York (d. 1460) = Cecily Neville (d. 1495) “the Rose

                           of Raby” >:

                           1. Edward IV

                           2. George Plantagenet, duke of Clarence (d. 1477) = Isabel Neville >:

                               a. Edward Plantagenet, earl of Warwick (obsp 1499)

                               b. Margaret Plantagenet, countess of Salisbury = Sir Richard Pole > left


                           3. Richard Plantagenet, duke of Gloucester (d. 1485) later Richard III =

                               Anne Neville (1471) = (1) Edward of Lancaster, son of Henry VI.  By (2)

                               Edward Prince of Wales (obsp 1484)

                     (B) Eleanor de Clare = Hugh le Despencer > Edward le Despencer = Anne, d.

                          of Lord Ferrars of Groby > Edward le Despencer = Elizabeth, d. of

                          Bartholomew Badlesmere, lord of Castlecombe > Thomas le Despencer

                          (d. 1400) = Constance Plantagenet, d. of Edmund Plantagenet of Langley,

                          Duke of York > Isabel le Despencer (d. 1438) = (1) Richard Beauchamp,

                          earl of Worcester (d. 1422) > Anne Beauchamp = Richard Neville, earl of

                          Salisbury & Warwick (d. 1471) “the Kingmaker” > Anne & Isabel (see



Lordship of Castlecombe:


Reginald fitzRoy = Beatrice or Hawisia (de Vannes), d. of Candor (+), earl of Cornwall >:

a. Hawisia = Richard de Redvers, earl of Devon, lord of the Isle of Wight.

b. Matilda = Robert, earl Mellant (Robert of Meulan, earl of Leicester).

c. Ursula = Walter, 1st baron Dunstanville of Castlecombe.

d. Sarah = Viscount of Limoges.


(+) possibly a pre-Conquest Celtic earl as Robert of Mortain, William I's half-brother was given Cornwall after 1066 - he conspired against William II "Rufus" and was captured.  His son William of Mortain, a supporter of Robert of Normandy, was captured by Henry I, blinded and imprisoned.  He was released in 1118 and became a monk in 1140 (during Stephen's reign).


Alternatively Candor was a Breton as Vannes is in the canton of Morbihan in Brittany which was re-colonised from Cornwall in the 6th century and still retains Gaelic.  Cornuailles is an ancient county in the west ofi Brittany with its capital at Quimper.


According to a Castlecombe Cartulary he was Reginald fitzHenry, 2nd earl of Cornwall, illegitimate son of Henry I.


Hugo de Dunstanville at Conquest in 1066 > Reginald or Robert de Dunstanville (temp. Henry I) buried at Tewkesbury = Adeliza, d. of Humphrey de Insula (de Lisle or Lille) > Reginald de Dunstanville (d. 1157 at Castleacre, buried at Tewkesbury) = Adeliza or Alicia, d. of Reginald, 2nd son of  Earl Warenne of Surrey >:

(a) Adeliza de Dunstanville = Thomas Bassett of Hedendon (10 Henry II)

(b) Walter de Dunstanville (d. 1105), 1st baron, lord of Heytesbury, given Ideshale &

     Addreshale in his wife's dowry = Ursula, d. of Reginald fitzRoy (illegitimate son of Henry I

     called Dunstanville, earl of Cornwall, baron of Castlecombe.  [Fitzroy's mother was either Anne

       (Sybil), d. of Robert Corbet of Alcester, Warks. by his wife Havisia/Beatrix daughter of Candor, earl of

       Cornwall "ex Regio sanguine Britannorum" (of the blood of British kings) OR Anne, d. of Adeliza de

       Dunstanville (wife of Reginald)] > Walter de Dunstanville, 2nd baron (d. 124?) = (as her 3rd

       husband) Matilda, d. of William Marshall, earl of Pembroke (her 1st husband was Hugh

     Bigod, her 2nd Reynold, 2nd son of William, earl Warenne & Surrey) > Robert or Reginald

     de Dunstanville (d. 1185 at Wilton), granted Heytesbury, Wiltshire in 1155 by Henry II =

     Isabella, d. of Raymond V, Count of Toulouse.  She drowned in Rochester in 1184 and

     was buried there >:

     A. John de Dunstanville > Robert de Dunstanville = Grace de Bohun > Dunstanvilles of

         Cricklade > Sir Thomas Wriothesley.

     B. Walter de Dunstanville, 3rd baron (d. 1269) = (1) Isabella, d. of Thomas de Clare,

         brother of Gilbert, earl of Gloucester.  Walter = (2) Roessia > Petronilla de Dunstanville

         = (1) Robert de Montfort (d. 2 Edw I 1273) = (2) John de la Mare of Bradwell (d. 1313).

         By (1) > William de Montfort sold barony to Bartholomew Badlesmere in 1309.

"Reginaldus, filius nothus Regis Henrici Primi, secundus comes Cornubiae a Conquestu et baro de Castell Combe ex dono patris sui, cui insuper Stephanus Rex Angliae contulerat Comitatum Devoniae et concubinam acceptit Beatricem de Vanne quae peperit Henricum filium nothum.  Eo que mortuo Beatriceam traxit in uxorem Will'mus de Brewerre, Angliae dictus William at the Heath, baron et dominus de Torbay qui genuit ex ea alterum Willelmum et quinque (qu quatuor) filias parternae hereditatis nominatim heredes.  Obiit Reginaldus Comes Anno Dom. 1175 et sepultus est apud Redinge.  Total terram quam habetat tam in Anglia quam, in Normannia et in Wallia retinuit Rex Henricus Secundus in manu sua ad opus Johannis filii sui junioris, excepte parva portione quod dedit filiabus ipsius comitis ex pellice filius Henricus nothus obiit in Gascoignis sine prole vulgariter dictus filius Comitis. Hadevisia filia nupta Ricardo de Ripariis Comiti Devoniae et Domino Insulae Vectis (Matilda) filia nupta Robto, Comiti Mellenti, Waleranni Comitis filio, Ursula nupta Waltero de Dunstanville, baroni de Castell Combe.


Quod Rainoldus de Dunstanville pater Rainoldi obiit 3tio die Aprilis anno 2do Regis Henrici 2d sepultus Tewkesburye.  Et uxor ejus filia Rinaldi secundi filii Willelmi, Comitis Warenne obiit 3mo die Maii anno 4to ejusdem legis et est sepulta apud Tewkesburye.  Sed dicitur a quibusdam quo est sepulta apud Castel Acre quia frater est fundator ibidem.  Et Isabella uxor juvenis Rainoldi una filiarum Ramondi Comitis de Tholose filii Johannis Comitis de Tholose et mater Walteri, fuit submerse apud Rochester anno 30mo Regis Hen. IIdi et est sepulta in monasteriio ibidem et postea eodem anno obiit maritus ejus apud Wilton (Castlecombe Chartulary).


Reginald, acknowledged son of King Henry I, 2nd earl of Cornwall since the Conquest and baron of Castlecombe by gift of his father, on whom moreover king Stephen of England conferred the earldom of Devon.  He accepted as his concubine Beatrice de Vannes.  When he died, Beatrice married William Brewer, known in English as William at the Heath, baron and lord of Torbay, whose offspring was another William and 4 or 5 daughters who were his co-heiresses.  Earl Reginald died in 1175 and was buried at Reading.  All the land he held, in England as well as in Normandy and Wales, was taken into the hands of King Henry II at the instigation of his youngest son John, except a small portion which was given to Henry fitzCount who died without heirs in Gascony.  Earl Reginald's daughters (1) Hawise married Richard of Redvers, earl of Devon and lord of the Isle of Wight, (2) Matilda married Robert, Count Mellent, son of Waleran and (3) Ursula married Walter de Dunstanville, baron of Castlecombe.


Reynold de Dunstanville, father of Reynold died on 3.4. 2 Henry II (1148) and was buried at Tewkesbury and his wife, daughter of Reynold, 2nd son of William, earl Warenne died on 3.5. 4 Henry II (1150) and was buried near Tewkesbury.  Some say he was buried at Castleacre which his brother founded.  And Isabella, wife of Reynold junior, daughter of Raymond count of Toulouse (son of John, Count of Toulouse), mother of Walter, was drowned near Rochester in 3 Henry II (1147) and was buried in a monastery there and her husband died  the following  year at Wilton.


In 1214 Walter, 2nd baron Dunstanville, obtained Heytesbury from his father Reginald (d. 1185).  He joined the Magna Carta rebels and his lands were forfeit to King John who bestowed Combe, Brocton and Heytesbury upon Geoffrey and Oliver de Buteville.  After king John died, the lands were restored to Dunstanville.  Walter de Dunstanville, 3rd baron, held lands in Shropshire and helped Hamon le Strange to defend the Marches and troops were summoned to Hertford and Ludlow to resist the Welsh.  Walter died in 1270 seised of Heytesbury.


His daughter and heiress Petronilla married Robert, son of Peter de Montfort (d. 4.8.1265 at Battle of Evesham) one of the Montfortian rebels barons at Lewes.  Peter's wife was Alice, daughter of Henry de Aldithley or Audley of Stafford by whom he had 3 sons, Peter, William and Robert to whom he gave lands in Rutland.  Peter de Montfort was descended from Hugh de Montfort named "with the beard" who fought at Hastings and whose descendants held Beaudesert.


William de Montfort (son of Robert and Petronilla) married his step-sister (daughter of Sir John de la Mare, his step-father).  Peter de la Mare held Offley, Hertfordshire at the Conquest.  This family also held Steeple Langton, Knavewell, Langley and Leigh in Wiltshire (near Castlecombe).  In 1277 and 1282 John de la Mare fought against Llywelyn.  He held Heytesbury in 1250-1272 during the reign of Henry III.


Reginald fitzRoy de Dunstanville, earl of Cornwell and Robert de Dunstanville were witnesses to a grant made by Henry II to Thomas a'Becket.  FitzRoy and Robert "Blanchemains", earl of Leicester summoned Becket to court and fitzRoy was involved in Becket's murder.


In 1173 fitzRoy and Richard de Lucy, the Justiciar burned Leicester which had revolted against the king.  FitzRoy and his brother Robert of Gloucester (the king's two uncles) defeated the earl of Leicester who took up arms on behalf of the king's son Henry (d. 1175 at Chertsey and buried at Reading).


The earl of Cornwall left 4 daughters and 2 illegitimate sons named Henry fitzCount and William.  Henry fitzCount was granted the earldom of Cornwall by King John but this was forfeited later (4 Henry II - 1150).  FitzCount died shortly afterwards.  Burbage was held by Walter de Dunstanville of the Honour of Wallingford whose lord was Brian fitzCount; he and Dunstanville fought on the side of Queen Maud/Matilda.


According to William of Worcester earl Reginald fitzRoy's arms were "argent, 2 lions or within a bordure bezanty".  Other authorities say they were "gules, a lion passant guardant or, with a baton or bendlet sinister azure."


William de Wyntershull (Wintershill) was witness to a charter of Henry III dated 27.5.1270 (xxvii die Maii anno Liiiito Regis Henrici Tertii) in connection with Castlecombe.  Other witnesses were William de Valence, earl of Pembroke described as "fratre nostro" (he was the king's half-brother through their mother Isabella of Angoulême, widow of king John who married secondly Hugh le Brun of Lusignan, Count de la Marche), Philip Bassett and Robert Waleran (castellan of St. Briavels who gave his share of Dyrham to his brother-in-law - they had married 2 Russell heiresses).


The families of Winter and Wintershull or Wintershill of Winter's Hall, Surrey may have been related, they also had had common descent.


The Wintershills inherited the manor of Bramley, Surrey which eventually went to the Winters of Wych and one member of this family, John Winter, was Fastolf's steward at Castlecombe where a colony of Flemings had been settled.


Castlecombe passed eventually to Sir John Fastolf through his wife Millicent Scrope (nee Tiptoft).


Fig. 67 - Lordship of Castlecombe: Scrope, Badlesmere, Tiptoft, Fastolf.


Walter Tibetot or Tiptoft (6 John - 1205) > Henry Tibetot (d. 34 Henry III - 1250) granted the forfeited lands of Adam de Painell in York and Lincoln in 1 Henry III = > Robert Tibetot (d. 25 Edward I - 1297) = Eva, d. of Pain Chaworth (d. 1314) who was in Palestine with Tiptoft), by his wife Agnes, heiress of Newmarch, daughter of William Roos of Hamlake (d. 3 Edw III 1330) > John Tiptoft = (1) Margaret Badlesmere = (2) Elizabeth, d. of Sir Robert Aspal, widow of Thomas Wanton > Sir Pain Tiptoft (1 Henry IV) > John Tiptoft, earl of  Worcester in 1449.


Richard Scrupe or fitzScrob, a pre-Conquest Norman came to England with Emma, d. of Richard of Normandy, wife of Ethelred "the Unready".  Scrope held Richard's Castle & manors in Worcestershire, Herefordshire and Shropshire which was named Scropes Scire and Shrewbury Scropes Byri after him.  He subdued Edric the Wild in 1067 and was favourite of Edward "the Confessor" > Osbern fitzRichard le Scrope = Agnes or Nest, d. of Gruffydd ap Llywelyn ap Seisyll (killed during the  Wesh campaign of Harold and Tostig Godwinson in 1063) >:

1. Nest le Scrope = Bernard Newmarch, lord of Brecon.

2. Simon le Scrope (cousin of Gilbert de Gand, earl of Lincoln) held fitzRichard's lands at

    Conquest > Walter (1102) > Hugh (1149) > Robert (1160 & 1198) > Simon (1195) >

    Henry (1206) > William le Scrope (d. 1303) > Henry le Scrope (d. 1336) lawyer and

    executor of Will of Henry de Lacy, earl of Lincoln whose arms "or, a lion rampant

    purpure" were granted to Scrope by de Lacy (who had no male heir) = Margaret, d. of

    lord Roos of Kendal > Richard le Scrope (d. 1403) = (1) Blanche (d. 1375), d. of Sir

    William de la Pole & sister of Michael, earl of Suffolk.  Richard le Scrope = (2) Margaret,

    d. of Sir John de Montfort or d. of Spenser >:

    a. Roger le Scrope (d. 1403) = Margery Tiptoft.

    b. Stephen le Scrope, lord of Castlecombe = Millicent Tiptoft = (2) Sir John Fastolf.


Bartholomew Badlesmere, lord of Castlecombe in 1308 >:

1. Maud Badlesmere= John de Vere.

2. Giles Badlesmere (d. 1338) = Elizabeth Montacute = (2) Hugh le Despencer = (3)

    Guido (Guy) de Brian (d. 1359) castellan of St. Briavels.

3. Margery Badlesmere= William Roos of Hamlake = (2) Thomas, lord Arundell.

4. Elizabeth Badlesmere= (1) Edmund Mortimer, earl of March > House of York = (2)

    William de Bohun, earl of Northampton > his daughters = Thomas of Woodstock and

    Henry IV of Lancaster respectively.

5. Margaret Badlesmere = John Tiptoft > Robert Tiptoft (d.1372) = Margaret, d. of

    William d'Eyncourt (d. 1 Richard II) = (2) John Nixander >:

    a. Margaret Tiptoft  = Roger, eldest son of Richard Scrope.

    b. Millicent Tiptoft = (1) Stephen, 3rd of Richard Scrope of Bolton = (2) Sir John Fastolf.


Fastolf's steward ath Castlecombe was John Winter of Castel Mayett and Wych.


The families of Fastolf and Winter may have been connected for some time.  Thomas Fastolf (d. 1361, bur. Carmarthen), archdeacon of Norwich and Bishop of St. Davids, shared the advowson of Llanwllni with Walter Winter, archdeacon of Carmarthen in 1330.  Another Hugh Fastolf was mayor of London in 1387.


The Fastolfs and Winters may even have been connected by marriage with other Norfolk families.  Hugh Fastolf (1445) and his wife Katherine Bedingfield (1478) have a brass at Oulton, Suffolk.  A century or so later John Winter of Barningham Winter (Will dated 28.9.1558) married Catherine, daughter of Philip Bedingfield of Ditchingham.


John Fastolf belonged to the Guild of St. George at Norwich.  An inventory was made at the cathedral church of the Blessed Trinity, Norwich of the goods and jewels which belonged to the guild amongst which was "a precious relique, one angell (of) silver and guylt berying the arme of Seynt George which was given to the seid fraternite by John Fastolf, knight."  This guild or company increased so much that they lent the city £100 or £150.


In the reign of Henry V and Henry VI had amongst its members Sir Brian Stapleton1, Sir John Fastolf, Sir Thomas Erpingham, Sir Thomas Morley, William de la Pole, earl of Suffolk, Lord Bardolf and his wife Joan, William Paston the king's chief justice, Sir John Hevenyngham2, Edmund Winter of Barningham Winter & Eggemere, John fitzRalph, John Bacon, Christopher Strange, William Paston and William Roos, esquires, Dr John Kenningham, Prior of the Carmelites, John Heydon3, Simon Felbrigge, William Spelman, John Taseburgh4 and others.


1Leonard Stepleton = Joyce Cooksey as 3rd husband.  Her sister Elizabeth or Cecily was ancestress of the Winters of Huddington.

2Eustacia Winter = Richard Heveningham (Thomas Heveningham d. 1499 - brass at Ketteringham, Norfolk of him, his wife, 5 sons & 5 daughters)

3Edmund Winter of Norfolk's d. Eleanor Winter = John Heydon (Baconsthorpe manor, arms at Swanton Nowers & Taverham)

4the Tasburghs of the 1700s were related to Frances neé Napier or Napper, wife of Sir CharlesWinter of Lydney.


In 1314 Gilbert, earl of Clare (Badlesmere's nephew) was commander of the king's forces in the Forest of Dean against Llywelyn Brea.


Bartholomew Badlesmere held Heytesbury which was granted to Despencer when Badlesmere was executed as his wife refused Queen Isabella (wife of Edward II) entry into Leeds Castle, Kent.  When the Despencers fell from grace, the lands were granted to Badlesmere's widow who also had rents in West Greenwich, Rotherhithe and Camberwell.  His son Giles Badlesmere was granted Heytesbury West Court by Edward II and it passed to Henry de Burghersh, bishop of Lincoln  (his cousin) whose mother was Bartholomew's sister.  Heytesbury East Court remained with Giles and was assigned to Lord de Roos and Margery his wife (Giles's sister and co-heiress).


The lordship of Heytesbury may have been claimed by the Hungerfords because Eleanor, daughter of Sir John Berkeley of Beverstone, widow of John, earl of Arundel and Maltravers (d. 1421) married (2) Walter, lord Hungerford of Heytesbury to whom Thomas Cromwell granted Heytesbury.


The Bassets were closely connected with Castlecombe.  Thomas and Alan Bassett offered 500 marks for the wardship of the de Dunstanville heir but it was granted to William Briwerre (Brewer) for 300 marks.  This was later cancelled and Gilbert Bassett paid 500 marks for the same.  The Bassetts were nephews of the heir's father, the first Walter de Dunstanville whose sister Adeliza married Thomas Bassett, lord of Hedendon (Headington) Oxfordshire, one of the king's justices itinerant.  Dunstanville gave Winterbourne Bassett to Alan Bassett (brother of Thomas and Gilbert Bassett) and Geoffrey fitzPiers or fitzPeters, earl of Essex and William Marshall, earl of Pembroke were witnesses to the deed which Richard I confirmed in 1197 at Chinon.  Fulk Bassett, son of Alan, held Compton Bassett of Walter de Dunstanville during the reign of Henry I.  Alan died without heirs as did his elder brother Gilbert.  Philip Bassett who inherited, fought on the king's side at Lewes.


In the Testa de Neville or Book of Fees, Fulk Bassett and Reginald de Mohun are listed as having held Compton Bassett for a knight's fee from Walter de Dunstanville, lord of Castlecombe.


The Mohuns were lords of Dunster, Somerset, another clothmaking area with a settlement of Flemings and William II, lord of Dunster married Agnes de Gand (Ghent).  Reginald I de Mohun. lord of Dunster, Somerset married Alice, daughter of William Briwerre (Brewer) and his son Reginald II de Mohun was ward of Henry fitzCount, son of the Earl of Cornwall, then of William Briwerre.  Reginald II married as his second wife, Isabel (d.1260), daughter of William Ferrars of Derby, widow of Gilbert Bassett.  Reginald de Mohun II's son John Mohun (d. 1279) married Eleanor FitzPiers, their son John was husband of Ada, daughter of Robert Tiptoft.


The family of Gand or Ghent were Flemish aristocrats, hereditary advocates of St. Peter's Abbey, Ghent and descendants of Charlemagne.


Fig. 68 - Ghent, Alost & Flanders


Wickman, count of Hamaland and Ghent, uncle of emperor Otto I the Great = Luitgard, d. of count Arnulf I of Flanders > son (d. 962 AD) possibly Baldwin > Ralph, lord of Alost (1031-52) = Gisela (+), d. of count of Luxembourg > Baldwin I of Alost >:

a. Baldwin II of Alost "the Fat" (d. Nicaea 1097) >.Baldwin III of Alost died in 1127 in

    Flanders > d. Beatrice.

b. Ralph, chamberlain to Count of Flanders.

c. Ragenfridus.

d. Gilbert de Ghent at Conquest, earl of Lincoln (his great aunt Adele = Baldwin of

    Boulogne, grandfather of Eustace al Gernons II who was at Conquest) = Alice, d. of

    Hugh of Montfort-sur-Risle >:

    1. Gilbert de Gand, eldest son obsp.

    2. Hugh de Gand (later Hugh IV of Montfort-sur-Risle), 2nd son = Adeline, d. of earl

        of Leicester.

    3. Walter de Gand (d. 1139) of Bridlington, York (ancestor of Lindsays of Scotland), at

        Battle of Standard = Maud, d. of Stephen of Brittany, earl of Richmond >:

        A. Gilbert de Gand.

        B. Robert de Gand.

        C. Geoffrey de Gand

        D. Walter II de Gand of Ercildon = grand d. of Seier de Seton > Gilbert VI of

            Ghent obsp in 1297 = Lora de Baliol whose kinswoman Ada, sister of King John

            Baliol = William de Lindsay of Lamberton in 1266.

    4. Robert de Gand.

    5. Ralph de Gand, Limesi or Lindsay, chamberlain of Flanders.

    6. Henry de Gand (ancestor of Erskines of Scotland).

    7. Emma de Gand & others.

    8. Agnes de Gand = William I de Mohun, lord of Dunster.

    9. Alice de Gand = John de Lacy, lord of Clitheroe & Pontefract, Constable of

        Chester, earl of Lincoln by right of his wife.


(+) Gisela’s sister Ogive was wife of count Baldwin IV of Flanders > Baldwin V of Flanders > Matilda > William I of England so Gilbert de Ghent of Folkingham at Conquest and his brother Baldwin of Alost was first cousins of Baldwin V of Flanders.


Gibert of Ghent, lord of Lindsey or Lincoln (younger brother of Baldwin, count of Alost) was kinsman of Eustace II of Boulogne who great aunt Adele was Count's grandmother.  Gilbert held 172 manors in Berkshire, Buckinghamshire, Bedfordshire, Warwickshire, Derbyshire, Oxfordshire, Cambridgeshire, Huntingdonshire, Northamptonshire, Leicestershire, Nottingshire, Rutland., Lincolnshire and Yorkshire.  His seat was at Folkingham, near Grantham, Lincolnshire.


Gilbert witnessed a charter dated 1075 of Watten Abbey, Dunkirk.  He was put in charge of York with William Malet in 1068 but they were defeated by the English who killed the whole Norman garrison except Malet and Gilbert who were led away in chains as prisoners to be ransomed.  Gilbert of Ghent was uncle of Hugh and Robert de Montfort who went on crusade.  Gilbert's nephew, Baldwin II "le Gros" of Alost who also went on the First Crusade following his kinsman Godfrey de Bouillon (son of the count of Boulogne) fell at Nicaea in 1097.


The castellans of Ghent, a cadet branch took Alost arms "sable, a chief argent." after death in 1166 of last lord of Alost, Thierry, Dierick or Dirk (son of Ivan who seized the lands of Beatrice, daughter of Baldwin III of Alost).


A Ghent descendant Arnold I (who claimed and won county of Guines in 12th century) had about 13 children, several of whom died in East Anglia and the East Midlands.  The counts of Ghent and Alost were allied to the Flemish family of Coucy whose descendant Ingelram de Coucy (son of Arnold III of Guines) married Christiana, daughter of Sir William Lindsay of Lamberton in 1280.

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