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Clyde William O'NEIL (1912-1966)

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Clyde William O'Neil

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Clyde William O'Neil

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Headstone of Clyde's parents Charles and Isabella O'Neil (nee Pye)

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133 Princes Hwy. Albion Park Rail (2012)

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Dot O'Neil (nee Collins)'s 69th birthday at her sister Betty's house at Condell Park

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Dorothy Collins

Clyde William O'NEIL1,2,3 was born on 29 May 1912 in Gunning, NSW.4,5 Clyde's parents were Charles Edward O'NEIL (b. 5 Sep 1862 Little Plain NSW; d. 4 May 1950 181 Lackey Rd, Moss Vale NSW) and Isabella Ada Althea PYE (b. 12 Sep 1870 Yass NSW; d. 31 Jan 1951 Moss Vale NSW). Charles and Isabella were married on 7 April 1890 at St Edmunds Anglican Church, Gunning, NSW. They had seventeen children of which fifteen survived. Clyde was the second youngest of them. The other children were Violenty Florence (b. 6 Mar 1889); Charles Henry (b. 2 Oct 1891); Mary Jane (b. 1 Mar 1893); Sarah Isabella (b. 10 Sep 1894); Edward James (b. 6 Dec 1895); Ada Florence (b. 25 Oct 1897); Emily Charlotte (b. 4 Dec 1899); Katie Ethel (b. 11 Aug 1901); Florence Evelyn (b. 25 Dec 1904); Christina Gladys (b. 3 Dec 1907); George Thomas (b. 30 Apr 1908); Ruby Ester (b. 1 Oct 1909); Allan Cecil (b. 31 Jan 1911); Clyde William and Oswald John (b. 10 Dec 1914).6,7,8,9,10

Between 1936 and 1945 Clyde resided at 181 Lackey Rd in Moss Vale, NSW. He lived there with his parents.11,12 Between 1936 and 1945 he was a labourer .11,12

Clyde married Dorothy Selina COLLINS in 1945 at the BDM District in Moss Vale.13

between 1945 and 1949 they lived at 181 Lackey Rd in Moss Vale. They were living with Clyde's parents.14

between 1949 and 1954 they lived at Beaconsfield Rd in Moss Vale. They moved there sometime between these dates. The house was divided into two flats with the house fairly equally divided across the centre so that there was a front and a rear flat. They lived in the front flat while Dot's parents were in the back. Sometime after December 1953 they moved to Oak Flats, NSW, living in a rented house at the bottom of a street off Central Ave (probably Hopetoun, Miller or Madden St). Finally in January 1960 they moved into their own house. They had built it with the assistance of Dot's brother Norman at 333 Princes Hwy, Albion Park Rail, NSW.12,15,16,17,18 In 1966 he was a council worker . At the time of his death, it is believed he worked for a local Council, possibly Shoalhaven.19

Clyde and Dot didn't have any children.19

Clyde died (aged 53) on 1 April 1966 at BDM Kiama in Shoalhaven, NSW. The cause was a massive heart attack. He was at work and died at the work's depot (possibly at Shoalhaven). A newspaper memorial for Clyde was published (date and paper unknown) as follows :

O'NEIL - In loving memory of my dear husband, Clyde William, called home April 1, 1966. It's hard to walk the road alone, Instead of sise by side, But to all there comes a time, When the way of life divides, But when I am sad and lonely and wonder why he has gone, I ask God to forgive my tears, and help me carry on. Remembered always by his loving wife, Dot.20,21,22 He was buried on 4 April 1966 in the general cemetery in Moss Vale.23,24

 

Clyde's grandfather was Charles O'Neill who was born in 1830 in Tasmania and died 12 July 1907 at Little Plain which is near Dalton, NSW. Charles is buried in the Church of England Section in the Yass Cemetery. Charles married Mary Butler on 13 December 1858 at St Mary’s Cathedral, Sydney. Mary was born in 1840 in Tipperary, Ireland and died 27 December 1872 also at Little Plain. She is buried in the Catholic Section of Yass Cemetery.

Charles had the first sawmill and timber business on the banks of the Tank Stream in York St CBD Sydney. He sold out and went to Yass near Canberra where he took up and bought huge areas of land at Blakeney Creek via Yass

He was a strong Catholic and c.1858 he and Mary were granted permission to marry in St Mary's Cathedral Sydney. This was the original Cathedral which was burnt down in 1865. Mary who died very young after her last child, is buried in an unmarked grave somewhere in the Catholic section of Yass Cemetery. Charles who lived for thirty years after his wife’s death, had a huge argument with a local priest and in what can only be judged a petty decision, decided not to mark Mary’s grave with a headstone. He himself is buried in the same cemetery at Yass but with a very impressive headstone in the Church of England section right next to the explorer Hamilton Hume. He was so bitter, he changed his children’s surname to the single letter 'l' in O’Neil instead of the double 'll' in O’Neill. He also converted his children and himself to the Church of England religion.25

 

Dorothy Selina COLLINS19 (known as 'Dolly') was the daughter of Henry d'Arcy COLLINS (1887-1957) and Florist Amelia GEGG (1886-1953).

Citations

1{S0066}, BDM (NSW) Online Indexs : Deaths (NSW Registry of Births, Deaths and Marriages Deaths Index : http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/Index/IndexingOrder.cgi/search?SessionID=&event=...). Cit. Date: before 1 July 2009. Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Death registered in 1966 under the name Clyde William at Moss Vale
2{S0489}, Researcher : WHITTINGTON, Ian re O'NEIL (http://tasmanianwhitts.tribalpages.com/family-tree/tasmanianwhitts/2612/1007/Clyde-ONeil-F...). Custom Id: SUB33. This researcher suggests Clyde was known as "Tom". This researcher controls the Tribal Pages site also cited here.
3{S0524}, Internet (Tribal Pages) The Tasmanian Whittingtons : re O'NEIL (http://tasmanianwhitts.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=tasmanianwhitts&view=9&...). http://tasmanianwhitts.tribalpages.com/family-tree/tasmanianwhitts/2612/1007/Clyde-ONeil-F.... Cit. Date: 23 March 2012. Assessment: Secondary evidence.
This page suggests Clyde was known as "Tom"
4{S0524}, Internet (Tribal Pages) The Tasmanian Whittingtons : re O'NEIL (http://tasmanianwhitts.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=tasmanianwhitts&view=9&...). http://tasmanianwhitts.tribalpages.com/family-tree/tasmanianwhitts/2612/1007/Clyde-ONeil-F.... Cit. Date: 23 March 2012. Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Text From Source: "b. 29 May 1912, Gunning, New South Wales"
5{S0517}, Headstone : O'NEIL, Clyde William (0128). Cit. Date: 14 September 2012. Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Text From Source: "Passed away 1st April 1966 Aged 53 years"
Calculation gives 1912/13 as birth year. Birth date since confirmed as 29 May 1912
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Clyde's old and new headstones in Moss Vale general cemetery

6{S0467}, List of Births (Handwritten Note) re O'NEIL family. Cit. Date: 15 July 2011. Assessment: Secondary evidence.
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List of the children of Charles and Isabella O'Neil (nee Pye)

7{S0066}, BDM (NSW) Online Indexs : Deaths (NSW Registry of Births, Deaths and Marriages Deaths Index : http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/Index/IndexingOrder.cgi/search?SessionID=&event=...). Cit. Date: before 1 July 2009. Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Death registered in 1966 at Kiama giving these names as parents
8{S0524}, Internet (Tribal Pages) The Tasmanian Whittingtons : re O'NEIL (http://tasmanianwhitts.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=tasmanianwhitts&view=9&...). Source: [S524] Internet : Tribal Pages (Family Tree) : The Tasmanian Whittingtons. Cit. Date: 23 March 2012. Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Text From Source: "d. 04 May 1950, 181 Lackey Rd., Moss Vale, New South Wales"
9{S0199}, Internet : General. http://bbs.mayo-ireland.ie/WebX?8@3.A0m0aaYhtoF.0@.1dcf33bb. Cit. Date: 29 June 2011. Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Text From Source: "I am researching my husband's O'NEIL family. Edward O'NEILL married a lady by the name of Charlotte O'BRIEN, I have NO other information on them except that they had a son named Charles O'NEILL b 1830 Tasmania, Australia. Charles O'NEILL married a young Irish immigrant by the name of Mary BUTLER b 1840, Tipperary. Ireland. They were married in 1858 at St Mary's Cathedral, Sydney. Australia. They had many children I've been told, though I have only the one name, who is Charles Edward O'NEIL b 5 sept 1862, Little Plain, NSW. Australia and died 4 May 1950. Charles Edward married a lady by the name of Isabella Ada Althea PYE b 12 Sep 1870 and died 31 Jan 1951. In total Isabella and Charles had 17 children, though only 15 survived. My husband's great grandmother was child number 12...Ruby Ester O'NEIL. I've been told from a source that NO information on Edward O'NEILL can be found in Tasmania, Australia or over in Ireland, which makes us to believe that maybe he changed his name to O'NEILL (for what ever reason)."
10{S0199}, Internet : General. http://121.223.202.9/owengenealogy/reynolds/pafg21.htm#82249 or http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:hULmz1KnO08J:121.223.202.9/owengeneal.... Cit. Date: 7 August 2011. Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Site no longer available.
11{S0622}, Electoral Roll : Federal (Eden-Monaro); NSW State (Wollondilly); Sub-Division (Moss Vale). Cit. Date: 13 September 2012. Assessment: Primary evidence.
12{S0623}, Electoral Roll : Federal (Macarthur); NSW State (Illawarra); Sub-Division (Moss Vale). Cit. Date: 13 September 2012. Assessment: Primary evidence.
13{S0065}, BDM (NSW) Online Indexs : Marriages (NSW Registry of Births, Deaths and Marriages Marriages Index : http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/Index/IndexingOrder.cgi/search?SessionID=&event=...). Cit. Date: before 1 July 2009. Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Registration no : 22723 / 1945
14{S0624}, Electoral Roll : Federal (Macarthur); NSW State (Illawarra); Sub-Divisions (Kiama and Oak Flats). Cit. Date: 13 September 2012. Assessment: Primary evidence.
15{S0483}, Card (Sympathy and Envelope) to O'NEIL, Clyde (0128) and Dot (nee COLLINS) (0089). Cit. Date: 7 November 2011. Assessment: Primary evidence.
Text From Source: "Beaconsfield Rd Moss Vale NSW"
Posted 5.00pm, 4 Dec 1953
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Evidence Clyde and Dot were living at Beaconsfield Rd, Moss Vale in December 1953

16{S0021}, Researcher : OWEN, John Edward (0001). Cit. Date: before 1 July 2009. Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Hopetoun, Miller or Madden St : Only one of these streets existed then but its now difficult to determine which one it was
17{S0493}, Letters : from COLLINS, Henry d'Arcy (0015) to OWEN (nee COLLINS), Gladys Elizabeth (0009). Cit. Date: 16 January 2011. Assessment: Primary evidence.
Text From Source: " 21 Dec 1959 : (Dot) house is just about finished. (Norman), I think finished the painting to day & now the parths are to be done but (Norman) has not got to do them, I think (Clyde) is going to do next week, They wont allow them to shift in till the Parths and Front fence is done"
18{S0624}, Electoral Roll : Federal (Macarthur); NSW State (Illawarra); Sub-Divisions (Kiama and Oak Flats). Cit. Date: 13 September 2012. Assessment: Primary evidence.
It would appear that they gave the Albion Park Rail Address to the Electoral Office in 1958, before they actually moved into the house. As seen in Source 0493, the letter from Les Collins, they still hadn't moved in at 21 Dec 1959. It has been assumed they were in by Jan 1960
19{S0021}, Researcher : OWEN, John Edward (0001). Cit. Date: before 1 July 2009. Assessment: Secondary evidence.
20{S0066}, BDM (NSW) Online Indexs : Deaths (NSW Registry of Births, Deaths and Marriages Deaths Index : http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/Index/IndexingOrder.cgi/search?SessionID=&event=...). Cit. Date: before 1 July 2009. Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Registered no : 17721 / 1966
21{S0517}, Headstone : O'NEIL, Clyde William (0128). Cit. Date: 22 March 2012. Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Text From Source: "Passed away 1st April 1966 Aged 53 years"
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Clyde's old and new headstones in Moss Vale general cemetery

22{S0738}, Newspaper - In Memorium : O'NEIL, Clyde William (0128) (Newspaper and Date Unknown). Cit. Date: 14 October 2013. Assessment: Secondary evidence.
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The In Memorium notice published by Dot for Clyde

23{S0238}, Researcher : General. Custom Id: SUB027. Emails from Ellen Leet. Cit. Date: 13 October 2010. Assessment: Primary evidence.
Text From Source: "Aunty Dolly passed away at Shellharbour Hospital Mt Warrigal. She is buried in Moss Vale cementry Moss Vale the same place as Clyde and Dad"
24{S0199}, Internet : General. http://121.223.202.9/owengenealogy/reynolds/pafg21.htm#82249. Cit. Date: 15 July 2009. Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Site no longer available
25{S0489}, Researcher : WHITTINGTON, Ian re O'NEIL (http://tasmanianwhitts.tribalpages.com/family-tree/tasmanianwhitts/2612/1007/Clyde-ONeil-F...). Custom Id: SUB33. Cit. Date: 17 December 2011. Assessment: Secondary evidence.
Text From Source: "Information supplied by Milton O'Neil."

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