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John Tickner (1717 -   )
and Elizabeth Carly (1717 - 1795)
plus Letters Written to John

The known descendants of John and Elizabeth are shown in this diagram

John Tickner/Elizabeth Carly

 Thankyou to Leigh Prideaux of Victoria, Australia and the Tickner family members in the USA for the letters and comments following 

The following are letters written by Walter Tickner to his Uncle John in America. Walter's father Edward died in March 1831 at the age of 52 years. He worked until 3 months before his death. Walter and his wife Elizabeth cared for him until he died. Walterís Uncle John had emigrated to America and by the time a letter arrived from him to his brother, Edward had died and Walter wrote to his uncle to tell him.
The original letters had no paragraphs and generally no punctuation, so I have taken the liberty of using paragraphs for more comfortable reading.

It is most probable that Walter found scribes for his letter writing because when he married in October 1828 he signed the agreement with his mark. It would be quite an undertaking to learn to write in a few years. One would think that if he could write he would take great pride in signing his marriage vows.

Note : Copy of the original letters arrived 15 November 1996 from Dora Tickner in USA.
Additional copies of original letters arrived 22 October 1997 from Jan Tickner in USA, wife of Russell Tickner, who died in 1995.
Walter Tickner never managed to emigrate to America.  In the 1851 Census Tenterden, Kent he is recorded as :

Gallows Green :
Walter TICKNER head married 49 yrs farm labourer Kent, Tenterden
Elizabeth TICKNER : wife married 47 yrs Kent, Tenterden
John TICKNER : son unmarr 15 yrs agricult. lab. Kent, Tenterden

Leigh Prideaux
29 June 2006

1. Letter from Walter TICKNER to his Uncle John TICKNER
March of 1831
Mr. John TicknerNew York
Vienna Post Office, Phelps townMay 29
Ontario County, State of New york
North America

My dear huncal
I now take the upper tuinity (opportunity) of righting thes few lins to you hoping to find you all in good hilth as it leavs us at priscent and i thank god for it my dear huncal.

i rescived your letter in the sted of your brother - for he died March the 21, 1831. my dear hunkel your brother he vere ofton thought and thalke a boute you all. but it plese the Lord to take him out of this world but he wass quite willing to. he died and he was quite sensetable til the vere last and we think there his no doute but for wat he is gone the right rode, for he was alwice a think in a bouat the lord and a bout the world to com. he was quite willing to live all this world be hind to gain a croun a bove. my dear huncle he said that we was not to morn for him but for our sulvs that we might in hirite the window of heven.

he left of work a bout 3 munts but he did not keip is bed all that time but to weaks be fore died he kiptt his bed. the last ttime he went eny were he cum down to my house and that was a bouat krismus time. he ad avere thing that he culd wich for. he sufferd for nothing that we culd gat him and his wife be have very will to him. and he wich for me not to distres her but all that i had i bote (bought) I had a cloke and that i gave 30 shilins for and then she went and told piple that i had not paid her for it.

but i had witness that i had paid her. she sold all she clould and then took the rest a way with her and then went to perrich [?] (parish) and stta (stay) there a little wile and then came to tenterden workouse. and now she ass paid of with all und got a bout 20 shilins out of the paress (parish). she is gone to her rich ant. the old wommin she wuss liing (lying) about us. she always did and finds no comodasans no wire (where) and no one will not take aney notis of hir long if she goes on as she doth now.

but my dear huncal I have seen all them that you wich for me to see and thay are very well at prescent. John luke gives is kind love to you all and he is very well at prescent and he is at work were Walter works at shinthers and they all scend there kind love to you all. John saids that he wuild cum if he ad enuf monney but he can not yet.

you wich for me to scend you word a bout this cuntry. there ass bean many rits (riots) and raris (rarees - any show or spectacle) and mobs. there wus a mob in very near avere parrich but we got our wagers raisd up to to and 3 pnce per duy and there is much talke a bout more. there ass bean grat many banes (barns) and corn staks burnt down rund a bout uss but no one in tenterden and sum of them corn took and thay are hunn and stransported for life. thay went a bout in gang and bork (broke) all the thrase in me shins (thrashing machines) and to far plous (two farm ploughs) and all the ? whut took mens work away.

my dear huncal we have had a grat deal of truble sents you left hingolun (England).
i have had a little boy and your brother wich for us to have is name edwerd and he would stand for it but he not live so long and sune that little boay died and i hope he is better off then he would of bean in this trubersum world, for now he is better of for he his in heaven, there too ramain for ever and ever. he was born the day after your brother was buried and died the 12th of november, but the resin that i did not rite be fore was be case we have had so much troubel and then Mr rofe com from a merrik (America) and he wnt back. we had a uppertuinty to right to you so now i must conclude with you but i do not think of cumin to a merrik for there is not enuf munney for me to com at prescent from your Walter tickners tenderest heart.
Your Wish for me to scend you word were Whitson live. he livs at Apper Rockdale, Crawford Country, State of pensylvania, North Americk.

2. Letter from Walter TICKNER to his Uncle John TICKNER
Tenterden, October 6th 1837
Dear Uncle

I received your letter and have sent you a few lines as an answer to it, I should like to know before I can give an answer that I will come a few partichulars as to the price of provishons and expences of comming over and what whould be best to bring over with me. I should not like to come to America without I was pretty shure of bettering myself as I have steady worck now but for the the better whould come with all my heart. I should like you should send me a letter what the expence whould be from Newyorck to where you live. I cannot find that there is any Vessells sail to new Orleans. we have four Children to take with us. if we come we should like to bring our clock over with us as it was my fathers before mine. I think we might bring it by putting it into a long box and packing some of our things in the case. send word as near as you can what what it will cost us to come. Dont under set it for I expect we shall be trouble to raise money enough to come for the parish will not send any familys now for they have not much to do with the poor as we are all under government.

I should like to know what the average pay of Day wages be and how many hours you worck in a day. the price of flour and meat and wheather you make as good bread as the English do and whether I could get a house and what the cottage rents be and wheather grocerry is dearer than in England and how far you are from a market or shop to get your provishions and how far you are from a place of hearing and whether it is much warmer or colder than in England. and if the Deer Turkeys Partriges and Rabbits are worth any thing if you can get them. whether it is far to go after them and the price of powder and shot for I shall want to shoot if I come. and wheather it whould be best to bring any other things but our bed and healing or any tools of any sort for I have most sort of tools for my worck. or whether I could bring any seed of any sort to be any use to me that you have not got.

You may think that I ask a great many questions, but I should like you should send me all the information you can the rough side as well as the smooth. our provishions of almost every kind get Dearer but our wages do not raise.

I am sorry to hear that Sarah is dead and that Edward is no better but I hope this letter will find him better. Old Walter Tickner Malster is dead and many more that you new. Mother has not yet found her rich aunt but has been running about Country in her usual way, but she is now keeping house for an old man at Bidenden. she made of with every my father had and even sold his clothes so I have nothing of my fathers only what I bot and paid for. I have but little to do with her now. my Father never sufered for nothing during his illness but I am very well satisfied that he is gone to a better home. I had one child named Edward but he died and Philip is dead. the living ones are Ann George Walter and John. My Wife has been very bad but she is got well enough to get out and do a little Hopping. if she had been well and we had the money I think we should have come as soon as we received your letter but I think I enjoy a better state of health than I ever did in my Life.

Master and Mrs Watson send their best respects to you and am glad to hear that you are getting on so well as you be. I have a good dog and gun and whather it whould be worth wile to bring my dog with me and send word wheather you have any tobacco and what it is a pound. I dont know any more news worth riting to you but any thing Else I can answer you when I come for I mean to come if I can you may depend upon it the reason I have not rote to you befor is that I wanted to find out whether I could get to New Orleans from England and what ships sailed. but it has been a buissy time with us being Hopping time. we had a very strong wind in the latter end of october last. it blowed down a great many chimneys and many large Trees wher blowne up by root. we had a depp snow Last Cristmas. it began on Cristmas Day and so much fell that it stopt all travelling the roads with teams or cariges of any sort for many Days. it made a great deal of worck as the roads was obliged to be cleared by hand. tell Daniel that he had better come over with his old Horse and cart and fetch us. but send us a letter as soon as you can for perhaps I may come in the spring. so no more from your Afectionat Nevew

Walter TicknerWe received your Letter the 18th of August.

3. Letter from Walter TICKNER to his Uncle John TICKNER
Note the reference at the top of this letter to an amount of money being paid, so it does seem that Walter Tickner paid to have his letters written. This is a different scribe from the previous letter writer.

John TicknerTenterden SP13
Albion, Edwards County1840
State Illinois, AmericaG PAID 14 SP 14 1840

Dear Uncle JohnJuly 20 1840

I send a line or two to you hoping to find you in good health as we are at the present. I dare say you think we are dead that we have not wrote you before, but I have neglected it very much. I dare say you would like to see me very much, but I never expect to see you. I donít see any prospect for me to have the means to come. the parish do not send any one, so if I was to come all the expenses would fall upon me, and that would be more than I can do with my family. but if I should get means to come you may depend upon it I will.

you tell me I never should Repent of it. we have to work very hard both of us and our family to get provision and Clothing and kept straight with the world. You tell me that there is a great deal better prospect there. Our country has been sending them to Australia and to Van de mens land but we hear a very poor account of it. I just mention this if you did not know for here is a great alteration in England, more than you are aware I expect.

the acts of Parliament is quite against the poor hear is greatt. houses built up and ten or a dozen parishes join and so there is no relief out of the House for an able man. let the family be what it may and if they can keep themselves so all very well, and if not go into the House and not have enough to eat, for it is all weighed out to them. if any can live now all very well and if not starve and so it is very hard struggle to get on now in England. Wages are very low in this country as they always was.

I am sorry to hear that you lost a horse and the two cows but we think if you had been in England you would not have them to lose. we are glad to hear so good Account of you that you have land and corn and cattle as you have. that is a great deal for a poor man, and now you are getting in Years (Note- he was 60) you may not be able to work as hard as you have done.

there is nothing, only that big house as you said for aged people here and a man must put up with every thing here or else they will tell him he may leave. and there is so many out of imploy they are glad to get a chance and I understand by you quite different in America. that the wages are so much better. it is a good thing they are for they are bad enough hear. them that have steady imploy and large family are very bad off but we are better off than such for I have plenty of imploy and I am game keeper over two or three hundred acres of land so that brings in a little.

my mother in law is alive at the present but we canot tell how long she will, for she is very poorly and has been for some time. she is not in the great house yet, but I have adviced (?) her to it for I think she would be better off for she keeps living in her old place. she lives with an old man at Biddenden and keeps his house and so they live like man and wife.

The reason why I asked you so many questions is I wish to know if ever I had the means to come. so you must excuse me for I did wish to have a Certainty for an uncertainty. My Old master and mistress are both dead this spring and both within a month of each other. but he has a son to manage the business, so I have a new master now.

I do not see any chance for me to come to America for a year or two. I am glad you told me all particulars of the Country, for a man's mind wants to be settled before he takes such a Voyage in hand. If I do not come I thought of sending some turnip seed in the letter and then I did not know whether it was lawful for it to come in a letter, so I put it off. and if you wish for this seed I want you to send me a letter if you think proper and send me word what seed you want and for me to send you a parcel to put the seed in a parcel. I hope you will not neglect sending because I have. be sure to write to me soon, and I remain your nephew,
Walter Tickner

4. Letter from Walter TICKNER to his Uncle John TICKNER
Once again Walter seems to have used a different scribe from the previous letter.

To John Tickner from Walter Tickner1845 - June

I have sent you one more view of the old church [Tenterden Church] wich is now repairing they are a going to lay out about 1500 £ about it.

June 24, 1845
Dear Uncle,

i have sent you a few lines hoping to find you all in good health as this leaves us all at present. we thank god for it. i am sorry i have neglected writing to you so long, but i was determined not to write to you til i knowed wether i could come or not. but i have tried all ways and lost a good deal of time and must leave all hopes of ever coming to your cuntry for you sent me word it is filled with the refuge of the world and i think it is for they will not send any thing else out of our parish.

Richard Watts has got a brother in america and he will pay half of his passage, and they will not send him, so i think i have no chance to come. when i sent you the other letter i thought i should have been started before you had got me an answer back again. you sent me word i never said nothing about my Children.

but i will send you the names of the living, Ann, George, Walter, John, Thomas & 2 dead.
you wanted to know more about my mother. she lived with an old man lick man and wife til she died i am sorry to say so.

old Watson is newly dead, old Mr. Luck is now livng and sends his best respects to you. the pervisings [provisions] in England are a deal cheaper than they were for flour is 11d per Gallon. shop things are much lower than they were. meat is from 6d to 7d per Pound. we have a railway from Dover to London through Ashford wich very much hurts Sitingborn. we think of hoving one through Tenterden to rye & hastings.

A Tenterden man, the name of Mr Burd culed at my house and said there was a man from America at Mr Finch at Maidstone a bout nine month a go, enquired for me and they sent him to John Tickner at halden and i never saw him. Mr Bird said he would enquire further into it but he never has so i no not head nor tail a bout it. when you write send me word wether you know any thing a bout it for he said he knowed you weell.

we have a deal of news from america of people who go their and aback a gain. Mr John Rolfe was here last summer & several more so we have no more news to send you so i must conclude with my best respects to you all, for I think i shall never se you to shake hands with you but i hope you will not be so neglectful in writing as i have been for i should be glad to hear from you.
so no more at present from your well wishing nephew

Walter Tickner

5. Letter from Walter TICKNER to his Uncle John TICKNER

Mr. John Tickner
Albion, Edwards Co.
Tenterden May 25 1846

Dear Uncle

i have received your kind letter and i am glad to hear you are all in good health as i am at present. but my wife and youngest boy are very porley. I do not expect the boy to get the better of it. Dear Uncle, you keep sending for me, but I cannot think of coming unless the Parrish will give some assistance. If i sell of every thing I have got i do not know as I have enoughf to get me over the waters. though I have got a good lot of househould & better than I ever i new my Father to have. but you know what belongs to a sale, with the expence of the sale and perhaps but few byers my household will be very near giving away. I have got two guns. one of them cost me £6.0s.0d & Tools. I would gave them to any Body if they could Carry them. and if I have a sale and have not enoughf to get me over the water, I could neither come to America nor yet stop in England. it is a great undertaking to come with a familly unless i can get some assistence of the Parish to come with. i want to get some thing out of them. i hope you know what i mean.

Dear Uncle i am obliged to you for your kind assistance in sending me word you would assist me up the cuntry if i should ever Live to get their. you say i am a good working fellow. if i had not they would have sent me lone ago. i have more work at present than i can do and i have a good house to live in and a large garden were i have lived sixten years.

you sent me word for a boy. they are all in work that can work. i cannot think of sending of ether of them, for they are young and i know not wich to part with. the eldest is a bout thirteen years of age. the girl Ann is got maried and got one son so now i am grandfather. He is a good working fellow. So now if we come we must leave her behinde. The poor have not eat so many Pertatoes as common this winter, for they cant. a blite in the begining of last June and they have been 5 Shillings per Bushell wich was never known before.

i have saved several sorts of seeds twice to come So i will try once more. you had better let John come to England and stop with us all the winter and he will be redy to go back with us in the spring if we go. he will not catch with out plenty to eat. at the same time not forgetting poor Edward & Daniel his Wife and famile.

I should be as glad to see you all again as you would me. So i must conclude, but i hope you will soon write to me again for i licke to hear from you. So no more at present from your well Wishing Nephew

Walter Tickner
Do not forget to let me know how far from you Daniel is.

In addition to the above letters from Walter, in the collection are some other letters to the same John Tickner and these are reproduced below.

6. Letter from Richard BARNARD to his cousin John TICKNER & Family
No date for this letter from Richard Barnard. Copy of Envelope difficult to read.
Note   Richard Barnard must be the son of Mark Barnard & Patience Tickner who were married in 1772 October 27 at Tenterden. Mark was born in Gravesend and Patience in Tenterden. Patience is a sister of John Tickner, father of John and Edward Tickner.  John emigrated to America and Edward is Walter Tickner's father. Richard mentions the names of his children, two of them named after his parents - Mark and Patience.

To John Tickner Family, Oaks Corner
Vienna Post Office, Phelpstown, Ontario County
State of Newyork, North America
PAID SHIP LETTER    LONDON   18 Feb 3   1833    New York Ship   Mar 26 Shinglewell
Dear Cousins,
I received your letter and was greatly surprised to hear that you had left this country tho I wondered that you had not been up to see me, nor that I had not heard from you for so long a time, but now I am glad to hear that you and your family got over to America safe and in good health.

Wm Barnard and myself and Family thank God are quite well. All my Family except Richard are in London and are doing very well thanks be to the Almighty. Robert is in business for himself and Patience is his housekeeper. Mark is about taking business for himself. Thomas is the Salesman in Covent Garden Markett, excepting two or three months in the Winter. Richard is the Butcher at home at present. We had an indifferent Fruit season last except Apples, but they have sold badly, as low as 2/0d and 2/6d per Bushel. it was chiefly owing to the Cholera Morbus, as the Faculty prounounced Fruit unwholesome. it quite upset the trade altogether.

we have had a plentifull Wheat harvest and likewise cut corn pretty good. Wheat is now fetching from 50s to 60s per Quartr, Beans about 36s, Oats 20s and under. Meat is rather dear, Beef about 7d or 8d, mutton 8d, veal 7d, pork 71/2d.
We are in hopes of having some of our Taxes taken off and making our expenses rather less now we have a Reformed Parliament I hope and an alteration in the Tythe system for the better we hope, for which we stand in very great need.
Sir Ed. Knatchbull & Wm. Plumptree are the returned Members for East Kent and Hodges & Rider for West Kent. Sir Willm Geary got throwed out although he had the most whole votes of them all.

I have lost some of my neighbours since you have been gone. Mr. John Tilden of Ifield Court about two years since died and Mrs. Tilden now lies dead and the Farm is sold. it fetched about 33 Thousand Pounds 600 acres. My neighbour Clinch has lost his Wife, his oldest son and a Daughter about 21 years of age, all in about less than five months.
Mr. James Dent Butcher in Gravesend now lies dead.
we have had hitherto a remarkably mild Winter very little Frost and scarce any snow or Rain. In fact our ponds and tanks have been very near dry which you know is a very rare thing especialy at the latter part of the Winter but a great deal of Foggy Weather. we had a very fine time for Wheat sowing and the young Wheats are looking very well.

We shall be very glad to hear from you again the first opportunity and how you get on, for we heartily wish you all the success possible. please to send us discription of the Country and how a person would succeed with about two or three Hundred Pounds in that Country and send us all the News you can. all my Family join in love to you and yours and ardently wish that your efforts will be attended with success,
From Yours SincerelyRichd Barnard

My son Richard has two children. Girls, one is in London with Robert, one at home.
all the rest are single at present. Richard has been very ill with the rheughamentism and Gout, but is now recoverd and got quite well. no more at present     Adieu

7. Letter from William SMART, an acquaintance of John TICKNER

To Mr. John Ticknerpostmark Sittingbourne
Albion, Edwards CountyMay 15 1839
Illinois State, Nth America
(Single Sheet)Rainham  8th May 1839

To John Tickner,

Dear Sir, Your letter of the 18th March reached me a few days ago, for which I beg to thank you, as I have often had you in my thoughts since you left this place and frequently have expressed a wish to hear how you succeeded.

I find by your letter that you have had experiences of both good and evil, which I believe is the case with every one whether in America or England. But as you now appear to have weathered the storm I hope you will not allow the goodness of God in thus carrying you through severe trials, and bringing into plenty to pass away without a grateful remembrance of His dealings with you?

I desire you will beleive (believe) that I sincerely sympathize with you in all your trials especially those visitations in your family which must have been a great affliction at the time, poor Sally!

My wife and Self have often fancied Her the wife of some American land holder, but it appears that the great disposer of events had other purposes for her, and if her knowledge, though certainly not great, which the School at Rainham was intended to impart (and I believe did impart in some degree) of the Saviour of Sinners was kept in mind, then is her change not to be so deeply regretted. It is nevertheless a sad blow when it takes place, and I doubt not you felt much as well as that which you relate of your son John, who as well as Edward, must have been a great trial to you.

We have not been spared trials of various kinds in this part of the world, death which is the portion of all because all have sinned, has dealt many blows among your old acquaintances. Thos. Hents & his Wife who kept the Marciness (?) , Mrs. Hinkley, old Mr.Trighurst and Ned Trighurst, Mrs. Rains, Henry Blundy, M.I. Sugden and several other young and old are dead, Mr. & Mrs. Taylor of East Court are also both gone, W. Edward Dodd and his brother Wm. likewise. indeed I cannot reckon up near all and if you was to return home, what with the removal of some and the growth and marriage of others, you would find yourself in a strange land. Three of my daughters are married and live at great distance from this place.

Thos Tru. and James Trighurst came home as you suppose, but J.Trighurst left one of his children dead in America, and raised a bad report of the place, but I believe the bad sticks as close to him as to the place and that he is not likely to improve his native land by returning to it. I never heard much about Thos. Trus reason for returning. He is now in constant work in Mr Stunts but neither himself or Wife have very good health. The opportunity of living on the Parish as some have done, which you can remember, is much altered since you left England. there is now large Houses built for the disabled, the aged and incapable, where the provision, though not so good as was provided in some poor houses is nevertheless sufficient in quantity so that no one needs to starve but able when are not allowed to live in idleness as formerly.

Our Parishes are united for the purpose into Unions of from fifteen to twenty Parishes and the Houses mentioned above are for the poor of these Unions. There is in these Houses Schoolmasters for the children and Chaplains for the purpose of Church Service and Instruction in each House so the lame and the blind are able to hear the word of God and the Love of the Saviour which probably they would not do under other circumstances.

I forget whether Jos. Castle was married when you left England. He went to manage for Mr. Lock at Gillingham, but did not stay more than two years when he came back to me and thrashed in the Wheat Barn. He is now in the Isle of Grain (?) where he keeps a Public House and farms some land for supplying Sheerness with Vegetables and such things and is I believe doing very well.

I have looked over the map of America and find the State Illinois is nearly in the Center of that vast country. There is a gentleman of the name of Elston, who is related to a friend of mine living somewhere on the border of Michigan Lake, which his on the North East of your State. do you know anything of him? but I am aware neighbors are not quite so near each other there as with us.

You write of the Timber. I have often both heard and read of and particularly on the borders of the great Mississippi River which is a means of conveying great quantities thereof to England. W. Perkins last year ascended that River, passed through your State and came down the Lakes to Niagara, thence down the St. Laurence to the Sea and then Home, so that your country is not altogether unknown to me.

Your Timber, or Logg Houses I suppose are neither large or very convenient, but better perhaps than we suppoze. Your Churches however are not very thickly planted, and probably you have not one within a hundred miles of you. however that may be you ought to recollect that God dwelleth not in Temples made with hands, but the whole world is his and He especially dwelleth with the Humble mind, and you may truly join with the Psalmist 139 Psalms in his admirable description of the Omnipotence of God and say "Whither shall I fly from thy presence if I ascend into Heaven Thou art there. If I descend into Hell thou art there If I take the Wings of the morning and dwell in the utmost part of the Sea" (which you may truly apply to your own case) "even there shall thy hand lead me and thy right hand shall hold me." So you may conclude you are not out of His sight though so far from that of all your old acquaintances, and if you ask Him though no tinkling Bell calls you, you shall doubtless find Him and let me add if you find Him not, your finding a House full of silver and Gold shall be of no value to you.

I shall be glad to hear from you again and pray that you may study the word of God as you are bound to do for the instruction of your family, as where there is no priest supplied by the Country, every man ought to be the priest of his own family. This charge is placed in your hands and God will require of every man what talents He has committed to him.

Sally Usher is married again to John Cawson and has a large family. they are at Gravesend engaged in the Brick fields. The two Usher boys are with me. Edward 2 years ago had a fall and broke his thigh in two places which confined him Six months. He is now my groom.

Myself wife and family unite in wishing you every good this world can afford and Eternal rest in that which is to come,

very truly yrs Wm. Smart

8. Letter from Thomas BALL, an acquaintance, of John TICKNER

Addressed to - To John Tickner    Vienna post office     Phelps town
Ontario County State of New York, North America
Across face of address appears stamp Boston Mar 31 HS SHIP PAID AP 1832
On back of addressed side appears "London 719   Sittingbourne"
SittingborneMarch 15th 1832
Dear Friend,

This comes with my kind respects hoping this will find you and your family in good health as it leaves me and family at present. No doubt you will be surprised when you receive this letter being from one you littel think of ever hearing from, or, seeing any more. but that is not a thing imposibel but the reason of my writing is I saw your mother the other day at mitton and she told me she received a letter from you and wanted to send an answer. I promised to do it for her and she gave me your letter that they had from you, to hear how you was gitting on in america.

I am glad to heare you are doing so well, and I have been very anxious to go to america for some time past for ingland is in a very bad state. every thing is very dull. no traid is going on so that a great many are sufering for want of work though I am happy to say my family have not as I still keep my place - foreman for mr ashenden of Sittingborne. but I think I should do better with my family in america and as you have been there so long you of course now somthing of the Countary by this time.

Dear friend I shall be very glad if you will send me a letter as soon as you receive this and let me know if you think it is likely I can git a situation of work if I come for I should very much like to take my family out. I should like to now if there is any brick making in that Counntery and wether you think it is likely I could git a situation if there is, but I am not particular what work it is if it is farmeing business. I can do every branch of that and I hope you will make every enquirey you can and send me all the newse you can for I can send you none but bad from England.

now I must tell you what your mother and sister wishes to say. they received your letter and was very glad to hear from you and your father began to write you an answer but before he compleated he ws taken very ill and am sorry to say he is dead and your Brother Benjamine. your father died in November 1832 and your Brother Benjamine in January 1831. he was dead before they received your letter. Jane and your mother send their kind love to you and all the children. Jane keeps a littel shop at milton. she has 2 children and is getting on very well. and your mother lives at the present where she did but she is soon going into the workhouse. the gentlemen think her a little queer at times and they have promised to take great care of her. she told me she would rather go in the house than be by herself but she is very anxious to leave now you gone and she wishes you in the future to write so that she may git a letter once or twice in a year. but I wish you to send to me this time and I promised your mother she shall see the letter if she is alive as soon as I receive it. I hope you will make every enquirer and let now for I am wishing to see America. so no more at present from your sincear well wisher

Thomas Ball
____ of Chas Dun _____ and all send these lines to you and Sally       Direct for Thomas Ball     Sittingbourne Kent

The letter from Thomas Ball to John Tickner poses many questions. He has written to John Tickner on behalf of John's mother and sister Jane and also uses the opportunity to ask for information and advice on emigrating to America. I am assuming that this letter is to John Tickner because of being with the other letters to John. But the dates that he mentions do not fit in with already established information.

1. He writes of the death of John's father, who died before he could answer the letter sent to him from America. John's father John Tickner, died in 1825 at Tenterden at the age of 69 years. Thomas wrote his letter in 1832 and said that the father died in November of 1832. Perhaps after all, this is not a letter to John.

2. He also writes of a brother called Benjamin who died in January 1831 and a sister Jane who has a shop in Milton. If this is so then Benjamin and Jane are also related to Walter Tickner - uncle and aunt.
Walter does not mention these names in his letters.

3. I would really like to know who this letter was sent to - does not seem to be John Tickner, but another Tickner relative who emigrated. Then again there is a reference to Sally who seems to belong to John.
These letters were given to us by Jennifer Muir-Dick, (Address Withheld) Western Australia
Her letter dated 14 April 1996

(Copy of original letter from Jan Tickner 22 Oct. 1997)

Jenny's connection with the Tickner family

"This letter is by way of introduction. I am a Tickner researcher and have a Great-Great-Grandfather who was born in Lympne, Kent and baptized in Aldington, Kent. I noticed your entry in the GRD and also I have been in contact with Vincent Tickner in Brighton, England, who also referred to you. I didn't write straight away, but when I received a letter from a Eunice Tickner with a bundle of letters written to her Tickners in USA, I thought this might be your Walter Tickner.

My Tickner Tree is as follows

John & Sarah Tickner of Smeeth : children :
   George Tickner b. 1796 Smeeth, Kent
   Henry Tickner b. 1797 Smeeth, Kent

George Tickner married 1829 Aldington, Kent Hannah Burden : children :
   William Tickner bapt. 1829 Aldington
   Edwin Tickner bapt. 1832 Aldington
   George Tickner bapt. 1834 Aldington
   Samuel Tickner bapt. 1837 Aldington
Samuel Tickner married 1865 Louisa Gilham children :
   William / Harry / Samuel / Thomas b. 1881 Stanford, Kent / Charlotte (railway workers' village) / Ellen

Thomas Tickner married 1906 Kate Dyson : children :
   William Thomas (my father)
   Edward George
   Lennard James

From Jenny
I have copies of the original letters. These are transcriptions of them as I was able to decipher the handwriting.These originals are kept by Russell Tickner of Conroe (?), TX 77301 - 1-409-756-3732

I tracked him from Mrs. Fred Book (Alberta Tickner) of Fairfield to her brother Laurence H. Tickner, Park Ridge, Ill. to Russell. A Mrs. Vern Tickner (Mildred). Vern was a grandson of Clarence Tickner from Fairfield, Ill.

Note 24th June 1997 SLV CD ROM IGI British Isles
Edward Tickner baptised 1810 September 9 Borden, Kent parents John Tickner & Sarah Pincott
Sarah Tickner baptised 1813 March 21 Borden, Kent parents John Tickner & Sarah Pincott
Reference Latter Day Saints Batch P020211 Film 1235412

Sarah Pincott baptised 1788 June 15 Saint Dunstan, Canterbury, Kent parents Daniel Pincott & Charlotte
Benjamin Pincott baptised 1797 Nov.19 Holy Trinity, Milton Next Sittingbourne, Kent parents as above

Ancestral File
Daniel S.C.Tichenor married 1868 January 30 to Margaret E. Austin
Clarence E. Tickner parents John William Tickner & Eliza Austin
    born 1856 August 28 Fairfield, Wayne County, Illinois
    died 1938 March 12 Fairfield, Wayne County, Illinois
    married 1885 June 18 at Fairfield, Wayne County, Illinois to Nellie Jane Phelps

Updated : 12 Jul 2011