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SEARCHING FOR ORIGINS of "THOMAS DENTON ELDER"  b. 1856 in Illinois
son of Samuel D Elder born June 1819 in Jackson County, Ohio.
THOMAS ELDER b. 1794
ROBERT ELDER of 1820 Census
JACKSON CO OH                                                                                See also NORTHUMBERLAND CO PA

Thomas ELDER, 1812 Pension, Richardson Co Nebraska
http://www.footnote.com/page/2378_thomas_elder_1812_pension_declaration


Samuel D Elder         Findagrave listing (no photo)

Birth:     unknown
Death:   Jun. 23, 1864
Burial: Little Rock National Cemetery
Little Rock, Pulaski County, Arkansas, USA
Plot: 2, 1672
 Record added: Mar 4 2000
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Samuel D. Elder   Find-A-Grave listing (no photo)
Birth: Jul., 1898
Boone County, Missouri, USA
Death: Oct. 3, 1975   Columbia, Boone County, Missouri, USA

Samuel was the son of Thomas Denton Elder Sr.
& Hettie Mariah E. McKenzie.

Burial: Memorial Park Cemetery
Columbia, Boone County, Missouri, USA

Record added: Feb 26 2007
By: Beverly Sweeney

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and
Find-A-Grave webpage for THOMAS DENTON ELDER, JR.

Thomas Denton Elder, Jr
Birth: 1904 Boone County, Missouri, USA
Death: 1991  Columbia, Boone County, Missouri, USA

Thomas was the son of Thomas Denton Elder Sr. &
Hettie Mariah E. McKenzie.

Burial: Memorial Park Cemetery
Columbia, Boone County, Missouri, USA

Record added: Feb 26 2007
By: Beverly Sweeney
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COULD HE BE CONNECTED WITH  THIS THOMAS ELDER  and ISAAC RAINS ELDER?
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SEARCH: THOMAS ELDER, b. 1794
Donna Logan's FamilyTrail Researchers list, page 4:
http://www.familytrail.com/elder/member4.html
376 - Sandra Meyer
 Mary Elder b.1775 PA mother of Thomas Elder b.1794 PA; Isaac Rains Elder         (or Isaac born about 1817, son of Thomas)
 b.1797, Benton, Hocking Co,OH
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393 - Sandra Meyer
 Mary ? b.1775 in Pa., husband unknown. Mary had son Thomas ELDER in Pa.
  1794. Moved to Ohio where Isaac Rains Elder was born in 1797.
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Donna logan's FamilyTrail Researchers list, page 6:
http://www.familytrail.com/elder/member6.html
546 - Sharon L. Keller
 Thomas Jefferson Elder,b. 1794, spouse, Cynthia Daniels/George T./Alfred Milo
 Elder/Worthy A. Elder. Pa./Ohio/Indiana

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Donna Logan's Database for ROBERT ELDER of Jackson Co OH:
http://www.familytrail.com/elder/RobertMaryElder/wc01/wc01_001.html

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Genforum - Isaac Rains ELDER:
http://www.jenforum.net/rains/all.html
by SANDRA e-mail: candypup_72032@iwon.com

http://www.jenforum.net/cgi-bin/pageload.cgi?elder::rains::752.html
"I am researching information on my 3rd great Grandfather Isaac Rains Elder.He was the son of Mary b.1775 in Pennsylvania and father unknown.Isaac was born 1797 in Ohio.They resided in Hocking County before moving on to Effingham County,Illinois.I assume the name Rains is his mothers maiden name.She had another son name of Thomas b.1794 in Pennsyvania.If you recognize these folks please contact me.Thank you very much for your time,Sandra"

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WorldConnect
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2950685&id=I577567975
by Richard Lyons
e-mail: redlyon2@cinci.rr.com

# ID: I577567975
# Name: Isaac Rains ELDER
# Given Name: Isaac Rains
# Surname: Elder
# Sex: M
# Birth: Abt. 1817 in Ohio
# Death: Aft 1880 in Arkansas
# Note:
    1840 Federal Census for Hocking County, Ohio
    Benton Township, page 187

    Elder, Isaac R. 1 male 20 to 30 born 1810 - 1820
    1 female 20 to 30 born 1810 - 1820
    2 male 0 to 5 born 1835 - 1840

    1850 Federal Census for Effingham County, Illinois
    Township Not Stated, page 327,

    602-602 Elder, Isaac R. 53 OH Blacksmith $50
    Elizabeth 28 OH
    Joshua 10 OH
    Samuel 8 OH
    John 3 IL
    Esther 1 IL
    Nancy 1 IL
 

    1860 Federal Census for Saline County, Illinois
    Township 9, Range 7E, Somerset P.O., page 194, August 8, 1860

    1348- Elder, I. R. 43 OH Farmer $100
    1348 Elizabeth 39 OH
    Joshua C. 21 OH
    Samuel 19 OH
    Nancy 11 IL
    Hester 11 IL
    Susan 8 IL
    James 6 IL
    Danl. B. (m) 4 IL
    Chilcoat, John 64 MD Farmer

    1870 Federal Census for Madison County, Arkansas
    Valley Township, Saint Paul P.O., page 450, July 16, 1870

    116-116 Elder, Isaac 63 IL Blacksmith $175
    Margrett 30 IL Keeping House (blind)
    James 16 IL Farm Laborer
    Robert 14 IL At School
    Andrew 12 IL At School

    Confusion regarding the birth year of Isaac R. Elder stems from inconsistent census records.
Eva Myrick points out that the 1840 census shows Isaac between the age of 20 and 30 which is consistent with the 1860 census.
The 1850 and 1870 census show Isaac as substantially older. Eva argues that the latter census are incorrect
and that Isaac was likely born between 1810 and 1820 or about 1817 as indicated in the 1860 census.
This logic then makes Thomas Elder a probable candidate to be Isaac father, and that
Mary was the mother of Thomas (age 75 in 1850 and living with Thomas) and grandmother of Isaac.
My records have been adjusted to reflect this. Additional comments are welcomed and encouraged.

    Robert Doly Bowman Elder born abt 1856 in Illinois and who died in 1925 at
Carlisle, Lanoke County, Arkansas has been reported to be a son of Isaac and Elizabeth (Chilcote) Elder.
In addition, Andrew J. B. Elder born about 1857 in Illinois was also reported to be a son of Isaac and Elizabth.
Based on the 1860 census there appears to be no consenus that these are sons of Isaac and Elizabeth Elder.
These two children do appear in the 1870 census.

Father: Thomas ELDER b: Abt. 1794 in Pennsylvania
Mother: Hannah UNKNOWN b: Abt. 1796 in Kentucky

Marriage 1 Margaret L. JUSTICE
    * Married: Aft 1857 in Effingham County, Illinois

Marriage 2 Elizabeth CHILCOTE b: Bef 1820
    * Married: 4 Oct 1835 in Hocking County, Ohio
Children
   1.  Joshua ELDER b: 1840 in Hocking County, Ohio
   2.  Samuel B. ELDER b: 1842 in Hocking County, Ohio
   3.  John ELDER b: 1847 in Illinois
   4.  Esther ELDER b: 1849 in Illinois
   5.  Nancy ELDER b: 1849
   6.  Susan A. ELDER b: 1852 in Illinois
   7.  James Bucannon ELDER b: 1854 in Illinois
   8.  Robert Doly Bowman ELDER b: 1856 in Illinois
   9.  Andrew J. B. ELDER b: 1857 in Illinois
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      5. Elizabeth Chilcote (John2, Joshua1) was born 1820 in Perry Township, Ashland County, Ohio,
      and died Abt. 1887. She married Isaac Rains Elder October 04, 1835 in Hocking County, Ohio. He
      was born 1797 in Benton Twp., Hocking County, Ohio.

      More About Elizabeth Chilcote:
      Census: 1850, Effingham County, Illinois

      More About Isaac Rains Elder:
      Census: 1870, Madison County, Arkansas
      Marriage: October 04, 1835, Hocking County, Ohio

      Children of Elizabeth Chilcote and Isaac Elder are:

                                   37 i. Joshua Elder, born 1840.

                                   38 ii. Samuel B. Elder, born 1842.

                                   39 iii. John Elder.

                                   40 iv. Esther Elder. She married Harry A. Gregg.

                                   41 v. Nancy Elder.

                                   42 vi. James Bucannan Elder.

                                   43 vii. Robert Doly Bowman Elder.

                                   44 viii. Andrew J. B. Elder.
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Donna Logan's archives:
http://www.familytrail.com/elder/sharing/jan97.html#msg_19
Subject: [Elder-News]: James Elder and wife Catherine Buchanan
From: "Lee M. Elder" <elder@wcc.net>
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 10:05:00 -0800
Hi:
I have a James Elder, SR. b. 03-17-1769 in PA. M. 03-15-1790 to
Catherine
Buchanan b. 05-12-1769 and d. 11-13-1813 in Perryville, Perry Twp.
buried Concord Presbyterian Ch. Cem., Perryville which is now Clarion
Cl., PA.  James Died 01-15-1837 buried Concord Presbyterian Ch. Cem.
Perryville.  James married second time to Sarah "Sally" Hagan b.
ca.1795, PA. They were married on 02-13-1816.

James and Catherine Buchanan had the following children: Thomas Elder,
Sr., John Buchanan Elder, Henry Elder, Mary Eleanor Elder, Margaret
"Peggy" Elder, James Elder, Jr., David Elder, William Parker Elder,
Chlristine Isabella Elder, Catherine Buchanan Elder, and Juliet Elder.
James and Sarah  "Sally" Hagan had the following children: Elizasbeth
Elder, Robert Elder, Jane Elder, Sarah "Sally" Elder, Amy? Ann Elder,
Andrew Jackson Elder, and George Washington Elder.
....
Lee M. Elder
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Donna Logan's Publications List:
http://www.familytrail.com/elder/huffman.html
Descendants of James Elder Sr.
 of Armstrong and Clarion Counties Pennsylvania"
Compiled by Sharon Robinson Huffman:
Sharhuff@aol.com
Assisted by: Lavon Elder Mundinger and Ann M. Brooks c. 1995 Rev. 2000.
"Little is known of James ELDER, Sr., before he came to Western Pennsylvania. There are records of a James
 ELDER in Slippery Rock Twp, in what is now Butler Co. as early as 1799. Some land records have been found in
 today's Warren Co. of ELDERs, including James before 1810. James and family appeared in Toby Twp.,
Armstrong County, by 1810. This area in 1839 became Perry Twp, Clarion County.
James ELDER (1769/1837) was married twice and had eighteen children. His first wife was Catherine
BUCHANAN (1769/1813) was mother of the first eleven; His second wife was Sarah "Sally" HAGAN (born ca
 1795) who was mother of the last seven."

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A current Descendant of JAMES  ELDER SR. b. 1769, is a participant in the ELDER DNA project:  Kit #12898 ( matches "Franklin Co PA" DNA group)
at
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Elder 

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Post-Em Note for ISAAC RAINS ELDER added to Richard Lyons entry in WorldConnect:
by Eva <jambucketchucker@wmconnect.com>
There are no record of these last 2 children listed here in the 1860 census with Isaac and Elizabeth.
They are in the 1870 census.
Elizabeth's father John Chilcote/Chilcoat is living with them in the 1860 census. John is 64 at the time.
Isaac was between the age of 20 and 30 in the 1840 census.
However, in the 1850 census the census taker misentered his age as 53.
In 1860 he is age 43 making him 23 in 1840, 33 in 1850.
Then again in 1870 census there is a big age jump, he is listed as 63.
It is my oppionin that Thomas was not his brother but his father.
And Mary that lives with Thomas was Thomas's mother and Isaac's grandmother,
she was 75 in 1850 born in Pennsylvania as was Thomas.
In the 1850 census Thomas was 56, making Thomas 46 in 1840 figuring by the 1850 census.
In the 1840 census he was between the age of 40 and 50 yrs old.
There were the only 2 Elder families living in Hocking Co, Ohio in 1840.
When they moved to Illinois by 1850, they lived right next door to each other again.
Isaac purchased 40 acres of land on 8-3-1853 in Effington Co., ILL.
On 1-25-1851 there is one Abner Elder who married Mary Polings in Hocking Co.
He was 33 in 1860 making him fit Thomas's son 10-15 age range in the 1840 census.
Thomas's sister Isabella Elder married James Justice on 11-18-1838 in Hocking County, Ohio.
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Isaac and Elizabeth's children and who they married.
Samuel B. first married a Sarah unknown. She died between 1870 and 1872.
Then 1n 1872 he remarried to Amanda Gates.
Nancy married William Taylor Scallions on 12-11-1870 Hamilton, Prairie Co. Ark.
Susan A. married David J. Wood 10-15-1871 in Hamilton, Prairie Co., Ark.
Ester married Henry A. Gragg on 8-31-1868 Hamilton, Prairie Co., Ark.
Joshua married Sarah Unknown.
Robert Bowman married first Elizabeth Teage.
She died shortly after the birth of their first born son James in December of 1879.
Robert's sister Nancy and William Scallions adopted James before he was 5 months old.
Robert later married Mary Drake 6-1-1884 in Prairie Co. Ark.
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Isaac and Margaret married Nov. 24, 1863 Fayette County, Illinois.
I have a copy of their marriage Liscense if you are interested.
Gary Morrison  2005-11-18 12:40:56
Thomas' sister Isabella did not marry James Justise 18 Nov 1838 in Hocking County.
It was more than likely his daughter. His sister Isabella married
Daniel Exline, Sr. 3 May 1814 in Ross County, Ohio and was married to him
until his death 27 Aug 1851 in Jackson Co., OH. See 1850 Lick Twp, Jackson Co., OH census page 285.
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Sandra Meyer  2007-01-17 15:10:51
I descend from Samuel B.(David) Elder b.1842. His first wife was Sarah Jane Hooten
and they married on Valentines Day in 1863 Effingham Co., Illinois.
He changed his middle name from B.? to David like his uncle Samuel David Elder b.1819 Ohio.
His second wife was Amanda Gaither/ Gater. They misspelled her name on the Marriage Certificate.
She was the daughter of Jackson Gaither and Lucinda Scallorn.
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WorldConnect
by Connie Bellamy
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=elder-etc&id=I163
# ID: I163 View Post-em!
# Name: Thomas Elder
# Sex: M
# Birth: BET. 1793 - 1794 in PA
# Death: AFT. 1870 in Buena Vista, Schuyler C., Illinois

Father: Robert Elder b: 1769 in PA
Mother: Mary A. Dempsey b: 28 JUN 1775 in Buffalo, Northumberland, PA

Marriage 1 Hannah Semans b: 1796 in KY
    * Married: 24 JUN 1813 in Ross Co., Ohio
Children
   1.  Dumah B. Elder b: 1831 in Hoching Co., OH
   2.  Lucinda C. Elder b: 1834
   3.  Jemina Jane Elder b: 1839
   4.  Isaac R. Elder? b: BET. 1810 - 1820 in Ohio
   5.  Isabella Elder? b: 1824 in Ohio
   6.  John Elder b: 1824 in Ohio
   7.  Elizabeth Elder b: 1829
   8.  Robert Elder b: 1826 in Ohio

Marriage 2 Catherine Showine
    * Married: 15 AUG 1859 in Schuyler Co., Il
    * Event: License number 15 AUG 1858 in 2838
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WorldConnect
by Connie Bellamy
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=elder-etc&id=I509
# ID: I509
# Name: Robert Elder
# Sex: M
# Birth: 1769 in PA
# Death: 30 NOV 1835 in Clinton, Jackson, Ohio
# Burial: 1835 Wellston, Jackson, Ohio

Father: Thomas Elder

Marriage 1 Mary A. Dempsey b: 28 JUN 1775 in Buffalo, Northumberland, PA
    * Married: 1789 in PA
Children
   1.  Thomas Elder b: BET. 1793 - 1794 in PA
   2.  Mary Elder b: BET. 1790 - 1800 in Northumberland, PA
   3.  Anna D. Elder b: ABT. 1792 in E. Buffalo, Northumberland, PA
   4.  Isabella Elder b: 1796 in PA
   5.  Elizabeth Elder b: 1800 in PA
   6.  Jane Elder b: ABT. 1805
   7.  Robert Elder b: ABT. 1807 in Northumberland, PA
   8.  Lydia Elder b: ABT. 1809 in PA
   9.  Margaret Elder b: ABT. 1812
  10.  Nancy Ann Elder b: 22 SEP 1814 in Ohio
  11.  Cornelius Dempsey Elder b: 28 MAR 1816 in Jackson, Ohio
  12.  Sarah Elder b: ABT. 1819

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Becky Teubner's WorldConnect:
Robert ELDER, b. 1769 PA  - WILL
at
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=ttg13&id=I24798

also
Name: William Hankins Elder
Sex: M
Birth: 2 MAR 1867 in Galesburg, Knox Co., IL
# Death: 23 FEB 1946

Father: Cornelius Dempsey Elder b: 26 MAR 1816 in OH
Mother: Sarah Houston b: 2 JAN 1826 in OH

Marriage 1 Elizabeth Holmes

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WorldConnect
by Becky Wynn-Thill
Becky Thill - Founder, Wynne Genealogy Society
1907 Baylor Drive
Richardson, TX 75081-5413
E-mail: ttg-inc@comcast.net
at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ttg13/contact.html
and
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=ttg13&id=I24802
# ID: I24802
# Name: Robert [Jr.] Elder 1
# Sex: M
# Birth: ABT 1807 in PA
# Death: AFT 1880
# Reference Number: 24810

Father: Robert [Sr.] Elder b: ABT 1769 in Northumberland Cty., PA
Mother: Mary A. Dempsey
      b: 28 JUN 1775 in Buffalo Twp., Northumberland Cty., PA.

Marriage 1 Rachel McKinnis b: 18 JUN 1809 in PA
    * Married: BEF 1828 in Jackson Cty., OH
Children
   1. Alexander Johnson Elder b: 20 JUN 1828 in Jackson Cty., OH

Sources:
   1. Title: Dr. Thomas Wynne's Legacy, Co-authored by Becky Thill, 2002, pub. TFG Press,
div. of Floating Gallery, NY ISBN 0-9671636-8-4
[September 25 - 29th, 2007 we will be in Lewes, Delaware for our
8th Annual Wynne Genealogy Society Researching Reunion.]

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1880 Ancestry.com
Name:   Alexander J. Elder
Home in 1880:  Marion, Davis, Iowa
Age:  52
Estimated birth year:  abt 1828
Birthplace:  Ohio
Relation to head-of-household:  Self (Head)
Spouse's name:  Marcia J.
Father's birthplace:  Pennsylvania
Mother's birthplace:  Pennsylvania
Occupation:  Farmer
Marital Status:  Married
Race:  White
Gender:  Male
Household Members:
Name  Age
Alexander J. Elder  52
Marcia J. Elder  44
William A. Elder  17 IA
Rachel L. Elder  14
Source Citation: Year: 1880; Census Place: Marion, Davis, Iowa;
Roll: T9_335; Family History Film: 1254335; Page: 3.2000;
Enumeration District: 40; Image: 0714.
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1870
Name: Dumah B Elder
Estimated birth year: abt 1828
Age in 1870: 42
Birthplace: Ohio
Home in 1870: Township 3, Richardson, Nebraska
Race: White
Gender: Male
Post Office: Arago
Household:
Dumah B Elder abt 1828 Ohio
Anna Elder abt 1836 Indiana
William Elder abt 1854 Indiana
Frank Elder abt 1855 Indiana
Mary Elder abt 1857 Illinois
Thomas Elder abt 1859 Illinois
Henry Elder abt 1863 Illinois
Anna Elder abt 1869 Nebraska
Dumah B Elder abt 1866 Nebraska (Male)

Source Citation: Year: 1870;
Census Place: Township 3, Richardson, Nebraska
Roll: M593_832; Page: 217; Image: 435.

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