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BANFF SCOTLAND - ELDER research      Banff Photos Sent by Cheryl Weedon, Australia        PERTH Scotland research
Joseph ELDER christen 11 Jul 1783 Banff Scotland   (born 6 JUL 1783 Banff-- Parish records)      BANFFSHIRE 1841 Census
  Baptism witnesses: William Elder, grandfather, and William Smith, shoemaker
Son of Adam Elder, shoemaker in Banff,
             and Ann Harroway [HARROWER] (born 20 May 1754 Banff)
             married: 4 AUG 1777  (her  f: George Harrower  m: Jean Christie)
Marriage of Joseph Elder to Elizabeth Byne [BOYNE] 20 Mar 1802 - Banff Scotland                    BANFFSHIRE JOURNAL

BANFF - ELDER - Old Parish Records on  (6)

Elder at Culloden:
"John Elder, servant at Park, Banff, to Sir William Gordon of Park."
From Google Books:
   "Muster roll of Prince Charles Edward Stuart's army, 1745-46"

Daniel Morgan's webpage of Sasines posted here:
His entries from "Fasti Ecclesiae" - List of Ministers

One ELDER entry in the BANFF SEISINS - land owners microfilm
for Argyllshire and Banffshire - 1781-1868 (LDS #104164):
  "JAMES ELDER, Commander of the Neptune of Portsoy,
and Elspeth Robertson, his spouse, Seised, for
their repspective interests, Feb 22, 1781, - in
a tenement in Portsoy, par. Fordyce; --on Disp.
by Walter Goodbrand in Portsoy, Feb 22, 1781."

RE: Changing names of geographic locations --
Looking at current Google maps for Banff, Scotland, I found
that Banff merged into Aberdeenshire, so the
map reads, "Banff, Aberdeenshire, Scotland"
see text:
    …" In 1996, under the Local Government etc (Scotland) Act 1994, the Banff and Buchan district, Gordon district and Kincardine and Deeside district were merged to form the present Aberdeenshire council area, with the other two districts becoming autonomous council areas."

BOYNE HOTEL in Portsoy (near Banff)
This cosy coastal village hotel is privately owned by Mrs Helen Christie and her family..

Duff House in Banff (on Scotland Castles Tour)

Macduff Marine Aquarium at Macduff, Banffshire, Scotland

Google Books:

CHURCHYARD OF BANFF.        Photos of Cemetery, sent by Ann Elder Norz      Norz Tree
(49) In memory of Adam Elder, who died June 21st, 1829,
 aged 82, and of Ann, his wife, who died April 25th, 1821,
aged 69, also of George Elder, son of the above,
who died March 3, 1853, aged 60, and of Margaret, his wife, who
died January 27th, 1837, aged 36,
and of their son George Elder, who died August 2Ist, 1849, aged 21.
"Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord."*
*" Adam Elder, although a poor man, and labouring in his humble craft for his daily bread,
had a pride in giving his sons a fair education easily accessible at that time, as it still is, at our Banff Academy.
   Alexander, third son of Adam, thus prepared entered the establishment of the Messrs. Imlach,
carrying on various branches of book selling business in Banff. Remaining in their employment
for some ten years, and gaining a character for steadiness and capacity these gentlemen urged his moving to London,
and handed him over to a friend who had bought up, and succeeded to the great
publishing and bookselling house of Vernor, Hood and Sharp.
    Here our Banff man acquired a thorough knowledge of
London work and habits, and promotion was sought for in another house.
About the same period that Elder commenced London life, a youth of the name of Smith was consigned to
the tender mercies of the same party in town by the well-known bookseller in Elgin,
Mr. Isaac Forsyth.
   Smith followed pretty much the same course as his Banff compeer;
and the two finally, united in opening a publishing house of their own in Fenchurch Street. . . .
All the world knows that Smith and Elder have for many years carried on one of the first Publishing Establishments in the metropolis."
(Imlach's "Chronicles.")
   Alexander Elder died in February, 1876, at the age of 86 years.
James Gordon Smith died in London in March, 1873.
He is said to have been also a native of Banff, and left Mr. Imlach's book shop in Low Street Banff, about 1836.
He aided in building up the firm of Messrs. Smith, Elder and Co., publishers, Cornhill,
and will long be remembered for the generosity and encouragement he showed to north country men when they came to reside in London
  [George Smith, Sr. and Jr. were publishers with Alexander Elder in London]
    See "The House of Smith Elder" by Leonard Huxley, London, 1923.
    Interlibrary loan from University of Oregon:
Also online

Notes about Smith Elder & Co:
"The firm was founded by George Smith (1789-1846) and Alexander Elder (1790-1876)
and successfully continued by George Murray Smith (1824-1901).
..."The Zoological Report of the Expedition of HMS Beagle "(published 1840-1848)
by Charles Darwin, which attracted world-wide interest.
In 1846, George  Smith Sr. died, and Alexander Elder announced his retirement."

National Library of Scotland - Main Catalogue
Imlach, James.
Title:  History of Banff and familiar account of its inhabitants and
         belongings to which are added chronicles of the old churchyard of Banff by James Imlach
Imprint:  Banff Leask 1868
Also in Banff Cemetery:
(35) Here lies inter'd the body of John Stewart, an honest, faithful and affectionate servant to
the family of Findlater for above 14 years, he died the 12th day of June, 1777.
(39) Sacred to the memory of John Leslie, who died April 9th, 1836,
aged 48 years, and Jane Watt, his wife, who died
July, 1843, aged 54 years, also three of their children
Charlotte, John,-and Charies, who died in youth and infancy.
Also of their grandchildren John, Leslie, Solomon, Jeanie and Alexander Watt,
children of George Shearer, clothier,
who all died in childhood.
Also the said George Shearer, clothier, who died 28th October, 1886, aged 86 years.

Eliza Elder Brightwen, niece of Alexander Elder
Naturalist author - publications, including her Autobiography "Eliza Brightwen" quoted here:

World Connect has an "ELDER in BANFF"  who went to South Carolina:
Contact: Linda Tesenair <>
  ID: I40333099
  Name: Samuel ELDER
  Given Name: Samuel
  Surname: Elder
  Birth: 1755
  Death: March 14 1810 in Spartanburg County SC
  Note: Was a private in the Rev.War.Served in The Spartans Regiment under Col.Benjamin Roebuck.

Father: George ELDER b: November 20 1729 in Banff Scotland
Mother: Elizabeth NAIPES b: 1735 in County Antrim,Ireland
Marriage 1 Cynthia Ann MACKLEVAINE b: 1765 in SC
Given Name: Alexander
Surname: Elder
Sex: M
Birth: 1704 in Banff Scotland
Death: in Banff Scotland
MARB: July 16 1725 Banff Scotland
Note: Marriage banns-Old Parochial Register-Parrish-Bannff  July 16 1725
    Recieved copy from General Register Office for Scotland Dec.09, 1999
Marriage 1 Margaret ALLERDYCE b: in Banff Scotland
    Married: July 16 1725 in Banff Scotland 1


WorldConnect by J.B. Hitt - Lists George and Alexander - Discusses "PETER ELDER" line:

J.B. Hitt also lists Robert ELDER b. York Co PA - d. 1839 Lincoln Co KY 
Mentions book: "Families Named Elder in East Tennessee" Page 106.

Spartanburg County SC genweb:
ELDER in Rev War (maybe all from the BANFF family?):

Vickie Beard Thompson's webpage also has Samuel ELDER in Spartanburg,
from the BANFF family:

Nancy's notes for James Morrow ELDER, d. 1858 IL-- f. David b. Spartanburg, SC

Also JIM SEXTON's webpage says:
...."Our Elder family is first found in Spartanburg County,
South Carolina with Samuel Elder who died in
1797. Among other Elders in Spartanburg County,
we're unsure of Samuel's relationship to them, but
believe his line may descend from Peter Elder and Amandine Hammond
of North Farnham Parrish, Virginia."   [from Lee Elder's book]
"Our Elders left Spartanburg County in the early 1840's and
by the 1850's resided in Gilmer County, Georgia.
By 1910, after several seasons of crop failure they're off again,
this time to Marshall County, Alabama."


South Carolina Archives - Search for ELDER
Series: S126088 - Confed. Pension application - Meritorious
Item: 10686 (2 pages - Handwritten images)    Page 1  and  Page 2
Has her marriage date: 31 July 1862
His Death Date: 26 May 1897
  [ son: John Sexton ELDER]

The Wilson Sisters (Storey family) of McLellan County TX:
includes McILWAIN and Susanna ELDER

Spartanburg County SC Discussion Board:
Message by Mary Aquilar  <>
 to Wendy Campbell <>
Mary says:
"YES! I have Samuel Elder born 1757, son of George Elder born 11/20/1729, son of Alexander Elder born 8/13/1704, son of John Elder born before 1688. I cannot find any info on Samuel's wife, Cynthia MacElvaine except that she was born 1765, married 1783 and died 1820 all in Spartanburg Co, had 8 children, and an alternate name spelling (Macklevane)- don't have a clue which is correct although I've searched both. I note that in the library here in Plymouth, Massachusetts, there is a Plimoth Colony reference to a McElvane that was here in the 1600's. Do you have any infomation? THANK YOU! ~Mary Aguilar"

Cindy Klemm's list of ELDER, from Spartanburg, to KY:

Home page for Michael Warren Porter of Decatur Co IN:
ELDER genealogy:
8th generation:
130. Matthew ELDER Rev. was born on 10 Nov 1786 in Washington, Virginia. He died on 7 Jul 1865 in Decatur County, Indiana....
9th generation:
 260. Robert ELDER was born in 1760 in York Co., Pennsylvania. He died on 28 Oct 1839 in Lincoln Co., Ky..

by Margie Roland
# ID: I06028
# Name: James Elder 1
# Sex: M
# Birth: 22 DEC 1781 in Spartanburg, South Carolina
# Death: DEC 1837 in Caldwell, Kentucky
# Burial: DEC 1837 Livingston Cemetary, Caldwell, Kentucky

Father: Sr. Elder William b: 1748 in Spartanburg, South Carolina
Mother: Margaret Storey b: ABT 1755 in Spartanburg, South Carolina
Marriage 1 Margaret Hamilton b: APR 1789 in Spartanburg, South Carolina
    * Married: 16 APR 1817 in Caldwell County, Kentucky 1
   1. Margaret Caroline Elder b: 2 FEB 1818 in Caldwell, Kentucky
   2. Martha Jane Elder b: 16 FEB 1820 in Caldwell, Kentucky
   3. William Hamilton Elder b: 26 SEP 1822 in Caldwell, Kentucky
   4. George Washington Elder b: 26 JAN 1825 in Caldwell, Kentucky
   5. Elvira Ann Elder b: 18 JUN 1829 in Livingston, Kentucky

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# Name: Sr. Elder William 1
# Sex: M
# Title: Captain
# Birth: 1748 in Spartanburg, South Carolina
# Death: ABT 1808 in Livingston, Kentucky
# Burial: ABT 1808 Livingston, Kentucky

Father: George Elder b: 1726 in Bannf, Highland, Scotland
Mother: Elizabeth Naipes b: 1730 in Ireland

Marriage 1 Margaret Storey b: ABT 1755 in Spartanburg, South Carolina
    * Married: ABT 1771 in South Carolina 1
   1. George Elder b: 20 NOV 1772 in Spartanburg, South Carolina
   2. Mary Elder b: 1775 in Spartanburg, South Carolina
   3. Hannah Elder b: 1778 in Spartanburg, South Carolina
   4.  James Elder b: 22 DEC 1781 in Spartanburg, South Carolina
   5. Thomas Elder b: 1783 in Spartanburg, South Carolina
   6. Sarah Elder b: 22 DEC 1784 in Spartanburg, South Carolina
   7. Elizabeth Betsy Elder b: 1786 in Spartanburg, South Carolina
   8. William E. , Jr. Elder b: 16 JAN 1786 in Spartanburg, South Carolina
   9.Samuel Chalon Elder b: 5 OCT 1790 in Spartanburg, South Carolina
  10.  Margaret Elders b: 1794 in Spartanburg, South Carolina

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His Generation one:
was born 31 Mar 1790 in ,Spartanburg , SC, and died 14 Feb 1878 in Eldorado,Saline,Illinois. He married NANCY MARGARET PINNELL 13 Jun 1808 in ,Christian, KY, daughter of PETER PINNELL and NANCY YARBER. She was born 08 Apr 1790 in Spartanburg, Spartanburg, SC, and died 28 Sep 1855 in Eldorado, Saline, IL.

(SAMUEL ELDER of SC and Saline IL, and Nancy Margaret PINNELL are not in "PETER ELDER" book.)



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