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Lismore Papers
Co. Cork

Updated 12 Jan 2004

From various postings to Genexchange County Cork mailing list in a 'thread' format.
Amy
Anita
Denis Grant
Patty Pickett
and posted here with their kind permission.


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From: Amy DATULL@aol.com
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:37:23 EDT
Subject: [Cork-L] Lismore papers - are they worth looking for

"Boyle, Cavendish: NL Mss 6136 6898, The Lismore Papers. Rentals, valuations, lease books, account books for the estates of the Earls of Cork and the Dukes of Devonshire, 1570-1870. Generally covering only major tenants. A detailed listing is given in NL Special List 15. Covering townlands in the civil parishes of Ahern, Ardagh, Ballymodan, Ballynoe, Brinny, Clonmult, Clonpriest, Ightermurragh, Kilbrogan, Killeagh, Killowen, Kinneigh, Knockmourne, Lismore, Mogeely, Murragh, St Finbarr s, Youghal"

Has anyone ever accessed these papers? Where are they, are they worthwhile?

Thanks
amy


From:
HI Amy and all,

There seems to be a certain amount of frustration here with trying to access these records, once you think you've found something that just *might* contain a reference, yeah even the slightest tid-bit of information about your ancestors.

As Jean has already stated, there seems to be only 2 ways to get at most of these manuscripts, as most of them are not published in any source. 1) You go to the National Library in Ireland yourself, 2) You hire someone to do it for you. In either case you're talking $$$$$$$, although the 'being there' is much more appealing than the latter.

Jean and I had one day in Dublin in the National Library while I was visiting in May. One afternoon is far, far, from being near any kind of time you would need to examine all of these sources. I, and probably any one of us, could spend weeks looking at these documents if we could!!

If you got this Lismore papers info from the County Cork Data page, that is also where I found these two listings before we left for Ireland: Rentals-c. 1795, all tenants-Rev. Edmund Lombard, Inc. the Civil Parish of Kilshannig. NL-MS 2985, and
(no landlord given)- NL MS 13018, Rentals c. 1835-37, major tenants only. Covering Castlelyons, Gortroe, Knockmourne, and Rathcormac.
If any of you have been to the National Library in Dublin, you will understand what I'm saying. First of all, you walk into the reading room itself, and I don't know about anyone else, but I was in awe of what my eyes saw. The room is round, the domed ceiling rises up in the most beautiful shade of aquamarine blue, and the room itself is filled with long, old, beautiful wooden tables, and the outer circumference filled with shelves holding books that are all various shades of leather binding, and it just fills your senses with the learning and knowledge that is available.......oh, I digress.....I'm sorry, the place bowled me over!!

Anyway, once I got through the process of getting my temp card, and getting my picture taken for it (this was necessary precisely because I wanted to view these manuscripts), I was sent to another building down the street where the manuscripts are housed. Once a call slip was filled out I awaited the documents, all the while *praying* I'd find something, any peice of possible informtion on my ancestors.

The first book brought out to me, from 1795, was so tattered, torn, mouldy, and musty, I was afraid to touch it!! Not because of the mold, but I was afraid it would just disintegrate in my fingers. It didn't. The entries were extremely difficult to read as the aged ink had almost faded from the paper. I didn't find anything pertaining to my family names, but just having this book in front of me was really neat.

The second request I made turned out to be large, oversized copies of the original source records, brought to me in a large envelope, about a dozen or so sheets of names of places, the person(s) renting that place, and the amount paid per acre, etc. I was specifically searching Gortroe (in Kilshannig), as I had just gotten a hunch that might be where my family originated, before Mallow. Sure enough, there were quite a few Sheehane's listed in the Gortroe area; various amounts of land, paddocks are mentioned , grounds are referred to as commons. It felt so satisfying to see these names, but as you all know how this goes, I cannot *prove* they are indeed my ancestors.

I would like to copy the information I have from this page as there are a number of other names on it. But I was specifically asked, no, told, by the Librarian in the Manuscript Office that he would make these copies for me, but that I was not to copy them for others. ??? That's what I was told. I presume it is because they are from a private, unpublished source.

Anita

From: "Denis Grant"
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 18:14:54 -0400
Subject: [Cork-L] Lismore papers - are they worth looking for
From the LDS Family History Library Catalog

Title: The Lismore papers. First series : viz. autobiographical notes, remembrances and diaries of Sir Richard Boyle, first and "great" Earl of Cork ... from the original mss. belonging to His Grace, the Duke of Devonshire, preserved in Lismore Castle Stmnt.Resp.: edited, with introduction and notes and illustrations, by Alexander B. Grosart ..
Authors: Cork, Richard Boyle , Earl of, 1566-1643 (Main Author)
Grosart, Alexander B. (Alexander Balloch) , 1827-1899 (Added Author)
Cork, Richard Boyle , Earl of, 1566-1643 (Subject)
Notes: Microfilm of original volumes published: London : Chiswick Press (printed for private circulation only), 1886. 5 v.
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"Notes and illustrations": at end of each volume.
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Index in volume 5 has been filmed at the beginning of each volume.
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Note: Index is not comprehensive. Many persons and places are not listed; many that are listed have only one reference, when in fact they may be mentioned several places.

Richard Boyle, Earl of Cork, was a major landholder in Cork and Waterford. His diaries mention numerous tenants, rents, leases and purchases of property. His papers are called "Lismore Papers" because they were stored at Lismore Castle in County Waterford.

Film Notes:

Title: The Lismore papers. First series : viz. autobiographical notes, remembrances and diaries of Sir Richard Boyle, first and "great" Earl of Cork ... from the original mss. belonging to His Grace, the Duke of Devonshire, preserved in Lismore Castle Authors: Cork, Richard Boyle , Earl of, 1566-1643 (Main Author)
Grosart, Alexander B. (Alexander Balloch) , 1827-1899 (Added Author)
Cork, Richard Boyle , Earl of, 1566-1643 (Subject)

Note Location
Film
Vol. 1, 1611-1620 Vol. 2, 1621-August 1629 Vol. 3, October 1629-January 1633
FHL BRITISH Film
990384 Items 1-3

Vol. 4, February 1633-March 1637 Vol. 5, April 1637-September 1842 FHL BRITISH Film 990385 Items 1-2
I haven't accessed them.
Denis

Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 11:34:58 -0400
From: "Patty Pickett"
Subject: Re: [Cork-L] Lismore papers - are they worth looking for

Are these papers the same ones referred to as the Sir Richard Boyle Lismore papers? Boyle Lismore Papers 1611-1629 Volume 6 of the Casey works on pages 339-385 Boyle Lismore Paper excerpts 1632-1637 Volume 5 but I dont have the page numbers here Lismore Papers by Boyle, 1637-1643 found in Volume 8 continued from Volume 5 pages 2018-2064 Lismore Papers Volume III, Boyle, pages 1758-1807 in Volume 8

You can also find a history of the Boyle family 1566-1762 in Volume 1.

Other things of potential interest:
Kenmare Rentals, Acreage, Ledgers and Notebooks are in several volumes, 1705-1864 Volume 1 no page number
1740-1756 Kenmare Estate Records on Volume 6 pages 1683-1839
Kenmare Estate Ledgers 1790-1811, Volume 6
Kenmare Estate Ledgers 1756-69 pages 1-155 Volume 7
Kenmare Estate, 39 Townland Maps 1720-1725 pages 2596 to 2641- Volume 7
Kenmare Estate Accounts 1779-86, Ledgers 1811-1870 Volume 8 pages 542-549, 646-651, 707-738
Cork and Kerry abstracts from the Leyne Manuscript 1337-1893 volume 11

Patty


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