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 Y-DNA (37  +  6 additional markers) database including Rurikid and Gediminid princes and also those males who suspect that they descend either from Rurik (the 1st Russian prince, 9th century), or from Gedimin (The Grand Duke of Lithuania, 13th cent.). База У-ДНК хромосомы Рюриковичей и Гедиминовичей. Baza chromosomu Y (Y-DNA) Rurykowiczów i Gedyminowiczów.

 

Rurikid Dynasty DNA Project http://www.familytreedna.com/public/rurikid/

 

Contains currently the following surnames, Rurikids : Bariatynski, Belosselsky-Belozersky, Blinov, Bunakov, Czetwertynski, Drucki (Droutskoy), Gagarin, Gorchakov, Khilkov, (Korybut)-Woroniecki, Kropotkin, Kubensky, Kurbatsky (Kurbsky ?), Lobanov-Rostovsky, Lvov, Mozarowski (and variants), Mozhaysky, Myshetsky, Niewmierzycki (and variants), Obolensky, Ossowiecki, Poscharsky, Putyatin, Puzyna, Rostowsky, Rzhevsky, Shahovskoi, Solomin, Szuyski, Tolloczko, Ushakov, Vadbolsky and Volkonsky, and Gediminids : Golitsin (Galitzine), Khovanskii (Chowanski), Chartorisky (Czartoryski), Popiel, Sopocko, Szafkowski (Szatkowski ?), Trubetskoy (Trubecki), Urban(owicz), Svistunov, Cuthie (Jakutowicz), Davidenas (Dawidowicz ?) and Barteit.

 

However, not all of them were found to be genuine descendants of Rurik or of Gedimin, respectively. Besides, it was discovered that a couple of Volkonsky, Obolensky and Bariatynsky princes belong to Slavic (genetic haplogroup R1a1) branch. However, in another project one of the Volkonsky princes was found to belong to the N1c1 haplogroup and he is well matching other Rurikids. So, we can say that by all means a NPE event occurred in case of some of these princes. Besides, thanks to this, i.e. Rurikid project, we can now say that Rurik was a historical person who was born on the Roslagen seashore (slightly north of Stockholm, Sweden). However, he was of Finno-Ugrian descent (haplogroup N1c1 (earlier described as N3a)). Although all of well matching N1c1 Rurikid princes are descended from Yaroslav Mudry (978 – 1054), it seems that his ancestors including Rurik (b. ab. 820 – 876) himself, also belonged to this haplogroup. A group of Swedes, whose ancestors lived in or close to Uppsala, and whose genetic haplotypes are very close to these of the Rurikids, seems to be confirming the theory that Rurik, in fact, originated from Sweden.

 

Prince Piotr Szuyski is also of Slavic descent (R1a1). However, he is neither matching the mentioned Volkonskys/Obolenskys, nor he is matching other R1a1 Rurikid princes.

 

Prince Kropotkin is really descended from Rurik. However, by no means is he descended from the princes of Smolensk. His princely branch needs to be reconsidered again.

 

Gedimin, the Grand Duke of Lithuania, and Rurik the Viking chieftain and the 1st Russian prince, were very distant cousins. They shared a common male ancestor ab. 2200 years ago. It is not clear whether the noble Urbanowicz, Jakutowicz and Svistunov (Swistun, Swistunow) families are illegitimate descendants of Gedimin, or if they rather belong to Gediminid branches that were forgotten by genealogists.

 

Prince Jerzy Czartoryski of Canada decided to have his Y-DNA tested in spite of what historians speculate(d) about the descent of his princely branch. It is believed that his G...Grandmother, the princess Izabella Czartoryska (nee Fleming) had her 1st son with the Rurikid prince Nikolai Vasilievich Repnin, while it was Armand-Louis de Gontaut-Biron, Duc de Lauzun, who fathered the 2nd son, Konstanty, from whom Prince Jerzy descends. Prince Jerzy was found to be descended from a Germanic tribe (R1b1). He can still be descended from the French, since the majority of them are of Germanic origin. What counts here is that Prince Jerzy inherited the title of Prince, as well as family tradition, from his legal ancestors, the Czartoryski princes. On the other hand, however, provided that he really is descended from the Gontaut-Birons, this duly means that he is a genetic descendant of this old French family, which has roots at least as far back as the 12th century.

 

Prince Stanislaw Antoni Czetwertynski was found to belong to the I2a2 haplogroup. By no means is he descended from Rurik. His genetic haplotype is typical for the native population of the Belarussian-Ukrainian Polissiya region. This can also mean that Prince Tur(e), who founded the dynasty of the Turov-Pinsk princes, wasn’t at all descended from Rurik.

 

Results on this page are freely available to anyone who wishes to use them for comparative and non-commercial purposes, also provided that a link to this web site is created.

 

 

This database can be useful for many males. By using this in a simple way they can check whether they have (or haven’t) descended from Rurik. It was also believed that the Gediminid princes were descended from Rurik on the Polotsk branch. However, the preliminary results do suggest that this is not really so, although Gedimin originated from Baltic Finno-Ugrians.  Another idea would be to create the so-called modal Y-DNA pattern for Rurik, as well as for Gedimin. However, this may be possible later, when some more test results will become available. Nevertheless, the preliminary modal haplotypes for Rurik and Gedimin have been created.

 

The tests were performed with the Family Tree DNA Co. http://www.familytreedna.com/ in the group program “Rurikid Dynasty DNA Project”. 37 characteristic markers are displayed in columns 1 to 37, respectively. The larger is the number of matching markers, the closer is kinship of the two males. If the markers are not perfectly matching, just for the sake of readability they have been displayed with different colours in reference to the modal haplotypes of Rurik and of Gedimin. The more the background is becoming orange and red, the larger is the positive genetic distance, while the more the background is becoming green and blue, the larger is the negative genetic distance in each of the markers, respectively. This is shown in the label below. However, the (total) genetic distance from either the modal Rurik or Gedimin in all compared markers should not exceed a couple of units. If this is really so, it means that another tested male is their (distant) cousin. This is marked with green (Rurikids, Gediminids), or light green (Proto-Rurikids, Proto-Gediminids). The database also includes a certain number of other people, especially the Finns belonging to the N1c1 haplogroup, which are neither related by blood with Rurik, nor with Gedimin. They have been marked with light blue, and described as being “Distant cousins”. These results are kept in the project for a particular reason : no one still knows from where the ancestors of Rurik arrived in Sweden, as well as from where the ancestors of Gedimin arrived in the Baltic countries (possibly this was Povolzhe in Russia). On the basis of genetic distances, as well as on the basis of WTY (Walk Through the Y chromosome) results, one can now anticipate that the Finno-Karelian (L550-) and others (L550+) (especially those of the Rurikids and Gediminids) separated already in Siberia ab. 4500 – 6000 years ago. However, these tests are by no means completed to the point that one can make any final conclusion here.

Mutation rates in markers marked with pink background are larger (0.003 to 0.005), and those marked with violet background are extremely large (above 0.005) compared with an average mutation rate (which is something like 0.0024). However, in the so-called genetic calculator one can also use different mutation rates in each of the marker panels. Estimated more precisely by the FTDNA Co., the average mutation rates are as follows : 0.00399 (markers 1 – 12), 0.00481 (markers 13 – 25), and 0.00748 (markers 26 - 37), respectively (http://www.mymcgee.com/tools/yutility.html#MutationRate) . And this is also clear evidence that the markers 26 – 37 are most important in genetic genealogy. When comparing the markers 1 –25 one can only SUSPECT that the two tested males might be related by blood if their markers are matching. By ALL MEANS one needs to check the markers 26 – 37, and especially the fast mutating markers like CDYa, CDYb and DYS 570, to be absolutely CERTAIN that, IN FACT, he IS related by blood with another man. A lot of Y-DNA test results do appear on the Y-search.org database (http://www.ysearch.org/) when the two males are e.g. perfectly matching on their first 12 markers; a certain mismatch, however  small, can appear on the 2nd panel (markers 13 - 25); while a considerable mismatch on the 3rd panel (markers 26 – 37) is clear evidence that they are not related by blood at all (in historical times – 50-60 generations ago).

Thanks to this project I can verify real mutation rates, and these have been displayed below. The rates are calculated per the entire 37 markers haplotypes and per century. The time that passed by is a difference between the year in which the Y-DNA tests were performed, and the year when the common male ancestor (CMA) was born.

 

 

Surname and

given name

Surname and

given name

Haplogroup
Common male

ancestor (CMA)

Year born

Centuries to

the CMA

Genetic Distance

on 37 markers

Mutation rate per 37 markers haplotype and per century**

Genetic Distance

on 67 markers

Mutation rate per 67

 markers haplotype and per century**

(in blue SNP test)

FTDNA standard*

Webmaster’s standard*

FTDNA standard*

Webmaster’s standard*

FTDNA standard*

Webmaster’s standard*

FTDNA standard*

Webmaster’s standard*

RURIKIDS

N1c1

(***)

AVERAGE

 

 

 

 

0.5311

0.5293

 

 

0.8576

0.8430

Gagarin

G.G.

Rzhevsky

Nikolai

N1c1

Vladimir

Monomakh

1053

9.55

3@

3@

0.4649@

0.4649@

 

 

 

 

Gagarin

A. P.

Rzhevsky

Nikolai

N1c1

Vladimir

Monomakh

1053

9.55

4

4

0.4188

0.4188

8

8

0.8377

0.8377

Gagarin

A. P.

Khilkov

 

N1c1

Andrei F.

Starodubsky

Ab.

1290

7.18

4

4

0.5571

0.5571

8

8

1.1142

1.1142

Gagarin

A. P.

Kropotkin

 

N1c1

Vladimir

Monomakh

1053

9.56

8

8

0.8368

0.8368

10

10

1.0460

0.9414

Gagarin

A. P.

Putiatin

 

N1c1

Vladimir

Monomakh

1053

9.56

9

9

0.9414

0.9414

14

14

1.4644

1.4644

Gagarin

A. P.

Vadbolsky

N1c1

Vsevolod

Yurievich

1154

8.55

6

6

0.7018

0.7018

11

11

1.2865

1.2865

Gagarin

A. P.

Puzyna

Jakub

N1c1

Vladimir

Monomakh

1053

9.56

 

 

 

 

15

15

1.5707

1.5707

Gagarin

A. P.

Shahovskoy

 

N1c1

Vladimir

Monomakh

1053

9.56

 

 

 

 

7

7

0.7322

0.7322

Gagarin

A. P.

Lobanov-

Rostovsky

N1c1

Vsevolod

Yurievich

1154

8.55

 

 

 

 

7

6

0.8187

0.7018

Gagarin

A. P.

Massalski

 

N1c1

Yaroslav

Mudry

978

10.31

 

 

 

 

6

6

0.5820

0.5820

Gagarin

A. P.

Korybut-

Woroniecki

N1c1

Vladimir

Monomakh

1053

9.56

 

 

 

 

10

10

1.0460

1.0460

Rzhevsky

Nikolai

Khilkov

 

N1c1

Vladimir

Monomakh

1053

9.56

4

4

0.4184

0.4184

4

4

0.4184

0.4184

Rzhevsky

Nikolai

Kropotkin

 

N1c1

David R.

Smolensky

Ab.

1130

8.79

4

4

0.4188

0.4188

6

6

0.6826

0.6826

Rzhevsky

Nikolai

Putiatin

 

N1c1

Mstislav

Vladimirovich

1076

9.33

7

7

0.7503

0.7503

8

8

0.8574

0.8574

Rzhevsky

Nikolai

Vadbolsky

 

N1c1

Vladimir

Monomakh

1053

9.56

6

6

0.6276

0.6276

7

7

0.7322

0.7322

Rzhevsky

Nikolai

Puzyna

Jakub

N1c1

Vladimir

Monomakh

1053

9.55

 

 

 

 

11

11

1.1518

1.1518

Rzhevsky

Nikolai

Shahovskoy

 

N1c1

David R.

Smolensky

Ab.

1130

8.79

 

 

 

 

6

6

0.6826

0.6826

Rzhevsky

Nikolai

Lobanov-

Rostovsky

N1c1

Vladimir

Monomakh

1053

9.56

 

 

 

 

10

9

1.0460

0.9414

Rzhevsky

Nikolai

Massalski

 

N1c1

Yaroslav

Mudry

978

10.31

 

 

 

 

9

9

0.8729

0.8729

Rzhevsky

Nikolai

Korybut-

Woroniecki

N1c1

Vladimir

Monomakh

1053

9.56

 

 

 

 

13

13

1.3598

1.3598

Khilkov

 

Kropotkin

 

N1c1

Vladimir

Monomakh

1053

9.56

3

3

0.3138

0.3138

4

4

0.4184

0.4184

Khilkov

 

Putiatin

 

N1c1

Vladimir

Monomakh

1053

9.56

6

6

0.6276

0.6276

8

8

0.8368

0.8368

Khilkov

 

Vadbolsky

 

N1c1

Vsevolod

Yurievich

1154

8.55

4

4

0.4678

0.4678

5

5

0.5850

0.5850

Khilkov

 

Puzyna

Jakub

N1c1

Vladimir

Monomakh

1053

9.55

 

 

 

 

7

7

0.7330

0.7330

Khilkov

 

Shahovskoy

 

N1c1

Vladimir

Monomakh

1053

9.55

 

 

 

 

6

6

0.6283

0.6283

Khilkov

 

Lobanov-

Rostovsky

N1c1

Vsevolod

Yurievich

1154

8.55

 

 

 

 

8

8

0.9357

0.9357

Khilkov

 

Massalski

 

N1c1

Yaroslav

Mudry

978

10.31

 

 

 

 

5

5

0.4850

0.4850

Khilkov

 

Korybut-

Woroniecki

N1c1

Vladimir

Monomakh

1053

9.56

 

 

 

 

9

9

0.9414

0.9414

Kropotkin

 

Putiatin

 

N1c1

Mstislav

Vladimirovich

1076

9.33

10

10

1.0718

1.0718

12

12

1.2862

1.2862

Kropotkin

 

Vadbolsky

 

N1c1

Vladimir

Monomakh

1053

9.56

5

5

0.5230

0.5230

7

7

0.7322

0.7322

Kropotkin

 

Puzyna

Jakub

N1c1

Vladimir

Monomakh

1053

9.55

 

 

 

 

9

9

0.9424

0.9424

Kropotkin

 

Shahovskoy

 

N1c1

Rostislav M.

Smolensky

1125

8.84

 

 

 

 

4

4

0.4525

0.4525

Kropotkin

 

Lobanov-

Rostovsky

N1c1

Vladimir

Monomakh

1053

9.56

 

 

 

 

8

8

0.8368

0.8368

Kropotkin

 

Massalski

 

N1c1

Yaroslav

Mudry

978

10.31

 

 

 

 

5

5

0.4850

0.4850

Kropotkin

 

Korybut-

Woroniecki

N1c1

Vladimir

Monomakh

1053

9.56

 

 

 

 

11

11

1.1506

1.1506

Vadbolsky

 

Putiatin

N1c1

Mstislav

Vladimirovich

1076

9.33

6

6

0.6431

0.6431

7

7

0.7503

0.7503

Vadbolsky

 

Puzyna

Jakub

N1c1

Vladimir

Monomakh

1053

9.55

 

 

 

 

10

10

1.0471

1.0471

Vadbolsky

 

Shahovskoy

 

N1c1

Vladimir

Monomakh

1053

9.55

 

 

 

 

9

9

0.9424

0.9424

Vadbolsky

 

Lobanov-

Rostovsky

N1c1

Vasily K.

Rostovsky

1219

7.89

 

 

 

 

5

5

0.6337

0.6337

Vadbolsky

 

Massalski

 

N1c1

Yaroslav

Mudry

978

10.31

 

 

 

 

8

8

0.7759

0.7759

Vadbolsky

 

Korybut-

Woroniecki

N1c1

Vladimir

Monomakh

1053

9.56

 

 

 

 

10

10

1.0460

1.0460

Shahovskoy

Lobanov-

Rostovsky

N1c1

Vladimir

Monomakh

1053

9.56

 

 

 

 

10

9

1.0460

0.9414

Shahovskoy

Massalski

 

N1c1

Yaroslav

Mudry

978

10.31

 

 

 

 

7

7

0.6790

0.6790

Shahovskoy

Korybut-

Woroniecki

N1c1

Vladimir

Monomakh

1053

9.56

 

 

 

 

11

11

1.1506

1.1506

Lobanov-

Rostovsky

Massalski

 

N1c1

Yaroslav

Mudry

978

10.31

 

 

 

 

11

10

1.0669

0.9699

Lobanov-

Rostovsky

Korybut-

Woroniecki

N1c1

Vladimir

Monomakh

1053

9.56

 

 

 

 

13

12

1.3598

1.1639

Massalski

 

Korybut-

Woroniecki

N1c1

Vladimir

Monomakh

1053

9.56

 

 

 

 

12

12

1.2552

1.2552

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

RURIKIDS

R1a1

 

 

 

 

 

 

0.7600

0.7600

 

 

 

 

Volkonsky

John

Obolensky

Yuri

R1a1

Taurussky

Yuri

Ab.

1220

7.88

6

6

0.7614

0.7614

11

11

1.3959

1.3959

Volkonsky

John

Volkonsky

O.

R1a1

Volkonsky

Fedor I.

Ab.

1330

6.79

6

6

0.8837

0.8837

7

7

1.0309

1.0309

Volkonsky

John

Bariatynsky

R1a1

Taurussky

Yuri

Ab.

1220

7.88

6

6

0.7614

0.7614

 

 

 

 

Volkonsky

O.

Obolensky

Yuri

R1a1

Taurussky

Yuri

Ab.

1220

7.89

7

7

0.8872

0.8872

12

12

1.5209

1.5209

Volkonsky

O.

Bariatynsky

R1a1

Taurussky

Yuri

Ab.

1220

7.89

5

5

0.6337

0.6337

 

 

 

 

Obolensky

Yuri

Bariatynsky

R1a1

Taurussky

Yuri

Ab.

1220

7.89

4

4

0.5070

0.5070

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

GEDIMINIDS

N1c1

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(0.5486)

 

 

(0.8424)

(0.8424)

Khovanskii

Askold

Chartorisky

Alex

N1c1

Gedimin

Ab.

1270

7.38

4

4

0.5420

0.5420

5

5

0.6775

0.6775

Khovanskii

Askold

Golitsin

 

N1c1

Patrikiy

Narimuntovich

Ab.

1330

6.79

4

4

0.5891

0.5891

6

6

0.8837

0.8837

Khovanskii

Askold

Trubetskoy

 

N1c1

Gedimin

Ab.

1270

7.39

4

4

0.5413

0.5413

6

6

0.8119

0.8119

Chartorisky

Alex

Golitsin

 

N1c1

Gedimin

Ab.

1270

7.39

2

2

0.2706

0.2706

5

5

0.6766

0.6766

Chartorisky

Alex

Trubetskoy

 

N1c1

Algirdas

Gediminovich

Ab.

1307

7.02

4

4

0.5698

0.5698

7

7

0.9972

0.9972

Golitsin

 

Trubetskoy

 

N1c1

Gedimin

Ab.

1270

7.39

4

4

0.5413

0.5413

8

8

1.0825

1.0825

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

TAWAST

CLAN

(***; 3)

AVERAGE

 

 

 

 

0.4645

0.3787

 

 

 

 

Tawast

Hannu

Stjerna

Antti

N1c1

Tawast

Henrik

Ab. 1500

5.08

4

3

0.7874

0.5906

 

 

 

 

Tawast

Hannu

Tawast

Veikko

N1c1

Tawast

Christoffer

Ab. 1660

3.47

2@@

2@@

0.5764@@

0.5764@@

 

 

 

 

Tawast

Hannu

Tawast

J.

N1c1

Tawast

Christoffer

Ab. 1660

3.47

3

3

0.8646

0.8646

 

 

 

 

Tawast

Hannu

Tawast

T.

N1c1

Tawast

Alexander

1802

2.07

1@@

1@@

0.4831@@

0.4831@@

 

 

 

 

Tawast

Hannu

Bergh

P.

N1c1

Tawast

Johan

Ab. 1590

4.17

2

2

0.4796

0.4796

 

 

 

 

Stjerna

Antti

Tawast

Veikko

N1c1

Tawast

Henrik

Ab. 1500

5.08

2

1

0.3937

0.1969

 

 

 

 

Stjerna

Antti

Tawast

J.

N1c1

Tawast

Henrik

Ab. 1500

5.08

3

2

0.5906

0.3937

 

 

 

 

Stjerna

Antti

Tawast

T.

N1c1

Tawast

Henrik

Ab. 1500

5.08

3

2

0.5906

0.3937

 

 

 

 

Stjerna

Antti

Bergh

P.

N1c1

Tawast

Henrik

Ab. 1500

5.08

2

1

0.3937

0.1969

 

 

 

 

Tawast

Veikko

Tawast

J.

N1c1

Tawast

Frederik

1758

2.50

1

1

0.4000

0.4000

 

 

 

 

Tawast

Veikko

Tawast

T.

N1c1

Tawast

Christoffer

Ab. 1660

3.47

1

1

0.2882

0.2882

 

 

 

 

Tawast

Veikko.

Bergh

P.

N1c1

Tawast

Johan

Ab. 1590

4.17

0

0

0

0

 

 

 

 

Tawast

T.

Tawast

J.

N1c1

Tawast

Christoffer

Ab. 1660

3.47

2

2

0.5764

0.5764

 

 

 

 

Tawast

T.

Bergh

P.

N1c1

Tawast

Henrik

Ab. 1500

5.08

1

1

0.1969

0.1969

 

 

 

 

Tawast

J.

Bergh

P.

N1c1

Tawast

Henrik

Ab. 1500

5.08

1

1

0.1969

0.1969

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Vines

Fred

Vines

Ron

N1c1

Vines

John

Ab.

1660

3.46

2@@

2@@

0.5764@@

0.5764@@

 

 

 

 

Vines

Fred

Vines

Paul B.

N1c1

Vines

Edward

1725

 

2.81

1@

1@

0.5267@

0.5267@

 

 

 

 

Kosonen

Roy

Kosonen

Eino

N1c1

Kosoin

Petteri

1713

2.94

1

1

0.3436

0.3436

 

 

 

 

Fletcher

Brien

Fletcher

Richard

N1c1

Fletcher

John S.

1829

1.79

3

2

1.6760

1.1173

 

 

 

 

Komulainen

Eero

Komulainen

Jari

N1c1

Komulainen

Samuel

1703

3.06

4

4

1.3071

1.3071

 

 

 

 

Hiltunen

Paavo

Hiltunen

Jari

N1c1

Hiltunen

Matti

1718

2.91

2

2

0.6873

0.6873

 

 

 

 

Lapinski

“Wzorek”

Lapinski

„Bodaj”

R1a11

Lapinski

Jakub

Ab.

1510

4.98

4

4

0.8032

0.8032

 

 

 

 

Lapinski

„Kus”

Lapinski

„Bodaj”

R1a1

Lapinski

Wit

Ab.

1450

5.58

5

5

0.8961

0.8961

 

 

 

 

Lapinski

„Rosman”

Lapinski

„Bodaj”

R1a1

Lapinski

„Lapa”

Ab.

1420

5.88

4

4

0.6803

0.6803

 

 

 

 

Lapinski

„Wzorek”

Lapinski

„Kus”

R1a1

Lapinski

Wit

Ab.

1450

5.58

5

5

0.8961

0.8961

 

 

 

 

Lapinski

„Rosman”

Lapinski

„Kus”

R1a1

Lapinski

„Lapa”

Ab.

1420

5.88

3

3

0.5102

0.5102

 

 

 

 

Lapinski

„Rosman”

Lapinski

„Wzorek“

R1a1

Lapinski

„Lapa”

Ab.

1420

5.88

6

6

1.0204

1.0204

 

 

 

 

VENTER

CLAN

(***; 4)

AVERAGE

 

 

 

 

0.8991

0.8991

 

 

 

 

Venter

Piet

#73298

Venter

#89593

R1a1

Venter

(v. Dempter)

Hendrik

1663

3.46

2

2

0.5780

0.5780

 

 

 

 

Venter

Piet

#73298

Venter

#87173

R1a1

Venter

(v. Dempter)

Hendrik

1663

3.46

2

2

0.5780

0.5780

 

 

 

 

Venter

Piet

#73298

Venter

#87825

R1a1

Venter

(v. Dempter)

Hendrik

1663

3.46

0

0

0

0

 

 

 

 

Venter

Piet

#73298

Venter

#132347

R1a1

Venter

(v. Dempter)

Hendrik

1663

3.46

0

0

0

0

 

 

 

 

Venter

Piet

#73298

Venter

#143506

R1a1

Venter

(v. Dempter)

Hendrik

1663

3.46

6

6

1.7341

1.7341

 

 

 

 

Venter

#89593

Venter

#87173

R1a1

Venter

(v. Dempter)

Hendrik

1663

3.46

4

4

1.1561

1.1561

 

 

 

 

Venter

#89593

Venter

#87825

R1a1

Venter

(v. Dempter)

Hendrik

1663

3.46

2

2

0.5780

0.5780

 

 

 

 

Venter

#89593

Venter

#132347

R1a1

Venter

(v. Dempter)

Hendrik

1663

3.46

2

2

0.5780

0.5780

 

 

 

 

Venter

#89593

Venter

#143506

R1a1

Venter

(v. Dempter)

Hendrik

1663

3.46

8

8

2.3121

2.3121

 

 

 

 

Venter

#87173

Venter

#87825

R1a1

Venter

(v. Dempter)

Hendrik

1663

3.46

2

2

0.5780

0.5780

 

 

 

 

Venter

#87173

Venter

#132347

R1a1

Venter

(v. Dempter)

Hendrik

1663

3.46

2

2

0.5780

0.5780

 

 

 

 

Venter

#87173

Venter

#143506

R1a1

Venter

(v. Dempter)

Hendrik

1663

3.46

8

8

2.3121

2.3121

 

 

 

 

Venter

#87825

Venter

#132347

R1a1

Venter

(v. Dempter)

Hendrik

1663

3.46

0

0

0

0

 

 

 

 

Venter

#87825

Venter

#143506

R1a1

Venter

(v. Dempter)

Hendrik

1663

3.46

6

6

1.7341

1.7341

 

 

 

 

Venter

#132347

Venter

#143506

R1a1

Venter

(v. Dempter)

Hendrik

1663

3.46

6

6

1.7341

1.7341

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Kossacki-

Lytwyn

Lukasz

Kossacki-

Lytwyn

Jacek

R1a1

 

1900

1.08

2

2

1.8519

1.8519

 

 

 

 

Plewako

Stanislaw J.

 

Plewako

Stanislaw G.

I2a2

Plewako

Kazimierz

1822

1.87

1

1

0.5348@@

0.5348@@

 

 

 

 

Plewako

Stanisław J.

 

Plewako

Damian

I2a2

Plewako

Pawel

Ab.

1615

3.94

4

4

1.0152

1.0152

 

 

 

 

Plewako

Stanislaw G.

 

Plewako

Damian

I2a2

Plewako

Pawel

Ab.

1615

3.94

3

3

0.7614

0.7614

 

 

 

 

·        * In almost 100 % of all cases, unexpectedly, some of the markers AMONG THE FINNs (N1c1) seem to be MUTATING SIMULTANEOUSLY (or very shortly one after another). This observation is valid in the case of the following pairs of markers : DYS 459 a and DYS 459 b, DYS 464 a and DYS 464 b, DYS 464 c and DYS 464 d, as well as CDY a and CDY b. The FTDNA Co. is not taking this phenomenon into account at all. For example, if two males are having 37 37 and 34 34 in CDY a and CDY b, respectively, the FTDNA Co. counts the genetic distance (GD) to be 3x2=6 in the both markers. I will try to reconsider this problem, and in the right column the GD = 3 in such case will be counted. The future will show which method is correct.

·        ** To compare these figures with those mentioned above, in the case of 37 markers haplotypes one needs to divide them by 37x4 (4 generations per century), i.e. by 148, while in the case of 67 markers haplotypes one needs to divide them by 67x4 (4 generations per century), i.e. by 268, respectively.

·        @25 markers, i.e. only markers 1-25 are compared. However, in this case the result of simple division is multiplied by 37/25 to arrive at figures adequate for 37 markers tests.

·        @@The same result has been obtained for the 67 markers haplotype.

·        *** Average mutation rate is calculated only for those clans which can deliver at least 10 documented results. This average is calculated in the following way : 20 % of minimal, as well as 20 % of maximal results, are being discarded; the average is being calculated from the remaining 60 % of all the results among the clan. (However, in the case of Gediminids only a single minimal and maximal result, respectively, were discarded in these calculations).

 

The current (10 MAY 2012) estimate in the N1c1 Rurikid clan is as follows :  47 haplotypes; 9 largest, as well as 9 smallest results, respectively, are being discarded. The remaining 29 results yield in : 24.871 (FTDNA standard) and 24.4479 (Webmaster’s standard), respectively. Hence, the average mutations rate amount to 0.8576 and 0.8430, respectively. The former figures, including a smaller number of the princes, were 0.8984 and 0.8897, respectively. On should direct his attention to an excellent agreement with those mutation rates in the N1c1 Gediminid clan : 0.8424 and 0.8424, respectively.

 

·        1 By courtesy of Lukasz Lubicz-Lapinski and his Lapinski Clan Y-DNA project (l-lapinski@wp.pl; http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Lapinski)

·        2 By courtesy of Stanislaw J. Plewako (http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Plewako/default.aspx?section=yresults)

·        3 By courtesy of Hannu Tawast (hannu.tawast@pp.inet.fi)

·        4 By courtesy of Robert Venter (venter.genealogy@comcast.net)

 

 

 

Genetic distance

-6

-5

-4

-3

-2

-1

0 (Perfect match)

+1

+2

+3

+4

+5

+6

Background

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Column

Raw

 

 

 

 

1

2

3

4

5

6

7

8

9

10

11

12

13

14

15

16

17

18

19

20

21

22

23

24

25

26

27

28

29

30

31

32

33

34

35

36

37

Additional

Markers

Additional

Markers

GENETIC

DISTANCE

41

46

59

49

51

58

 

 

Surname and (the 1st)

given name

 

(FINNISH

MONOMAKH

BRANCH)

Number

displayed here with

coloured

background

indicates

a kinship

Father’s

given

name

Date of birth

(Also

most

distant

ances-

tor)

Place of birth

Haplo-

group

(in blue

determi-

ned by

SNP

test)

D

Y

S

3

9

3

D

Y

S

3

9

0

D

Y

S

19/

3

9

4

D

Y

S

3

9

1

D

Y

S

3

8

5

a

D

Y

S

3

8

5

b

D

Y

S

4

2

6

D

Y

S

3

8

8

D

Y

S

4

3

9

 

D

Y

S

3

8

9

_1

D

Y

S

3

9

2

D

Y

S

3

8

9

_2

D

Y

S

4

5

8

D

Y

S

4

5

9

a

D

Y

S

4

5

9

b

D

Y

S

4

5

5

D

Y

S

4

5

4

D

Y

S

4

4

7

D

Y

S

4

3

7

D

Y

S

4

4

8

D

Y

S

4

4

9

D

Y

S

4

6

4

a

D

Y

S

4

6

4

b

D

Y

S

4

6

4

c

D

Y

S

4

6

4

d

D

Y

S

4

6

0

G

A

T

A

H

4

Y

C

A

II

a

Y

C

A

II

b

D

Y

S

4

5

6

D

Y

S

6

0

7

D

Y

S

5

7

6

D

Y

S

5

7

0

C

D

Y

a

C

D

Y

b

D

Y

S

4

4

2

D

Y

S

4

3

8

3

9

5

S

1

b

4

0

6

S

1

D

Y

S

5

2

0

D

Y

S

4

1

3

a

D

Y

S

5

5

7

D

Y

S

4

8

1

 

 

 

Modal

Haplotype

N2-A1

Pink

background

in this

 

Pink

background

in this

(^)

13

23

14

10

12

13

 

 

10

13

14

30

 

 

 

 

 

 

14

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

10

It seems that these

markers

 

 

 

Modal

Haplotype

N2-A2

column

indicates

a person

 

column

indicates

a person

(^)

13

23

15

11

12

13

 

 

11

13

14

30

 

 

 

 

 

 

14

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

11

and especially

395S1b

 

 

 

Modal

Haplotype

N3a (N1c1)

whose

princely

descent is

 

whose

princely

descent is

(^)

14

23

14

11

11

13

 

 

10

14

14

30

 

 

 

 

 

 

14

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

10

are inva-riant in

genetic

 

 

 

Modal

Haplotype

N3a2

proved

with

documents

 

confirmed

by family

tradition

(^)

14

23

14

10

11

13

 

 

10

14

14

30

 

 

 

 

 

 

14

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

10

clans in

the last

1500 yrs

 

 

 

Modal

Haplotype

N1

 

 

 

(^^)

13

23

14

10

11

14

11

12

11

13

14

30

16

9

9

11

11

26

14

19

29

14

14

15

15

11

11

18

20

15