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257419582452. St Vladimir I "The Great" Duke Of KIEV,415,2855,2856 son of Svatislav I Grand Duke Of KIEV and Maloucha Of LUBECH, was born about 955 in Kiev, Ukraine, died on 15 July 1015 in Berestovo, Kiev, Ukraine 2857 about age 60, and was buried in Church Of The Ti, Kiev, Ukraine. Other names for St were Saint Vladimir, and Vladimir I Svyatoslavich.

General Notes:
The date of his birth is not know. He was born out of wedlock to Svyatoslav I Igoryevich, prince of Kyiv by the "Kliuchnitsa" to the Princess Ol'ga, Malushi. Svyatoslav already had two legitimate sons, Yaropolk and Oleg. Vladimir was sent to control Novgorod (970-980). He was then prince of Kyiv (978-1015). He married first in 980 Rogneda, daughter of Rogvolod, prince of Polotsk, then had many other wives and concubines before officially marrying Anna Porphrogenita, daughter of Romanus II, Byzantine Emperor, and sister of the Byzantine Emperor Basil II. She died in 1011. He is credited with several other wives, ( a Czech, a Bulgarian, and others). He later married the daughter of Cuno, Count of Oeningen and granddaughter of Emperor Otto I. She died in 1018. He had many sons, some whose names are unknown and it is not clear, except for Izyaslav, which sons were from which women. According to the chronicle, however, by Rogneda he had Izyaslav (prince of Polotsk, d. 1001), Mstislav (prince of Tmutorokan and Chernigiv, d. 1036), Yaroslav (prince of Kyiv, d. 1054) and Vsyevolod (prince of Vladimir in Volynia, d. 1010) and two daughters. By the Byzantine nun he had Svyatopolk I (prince of Kyiv, d. 1019) , by one Czech he had Vysheslav (prince of Novgorod, d. 1010) and by another Svyatoslav (prince of the Drevlyanie, d. 1015) and Mstislav, and by a Bulgarian Boris ( prince of Rostov) and Gleb (prince of Murom) (both died in 1015) Among the others: Sudislav, Prince of Pskov (d. 1063); Stanislav, crown Prince of Kiev (?); Pozvizd, crown prince of Kyiv (d. after 1015); and Predislav (d. after 1018). His daughters included Predslava (d. after 1018), Premislava, married King Ladislaus of Hungary; another who married Bernhard, Margrave of Nordmark, and eight more. He is reputed to have had 300 concubines at Vyshgorod, another 300 at Belgorod and 200 at the main palace at Berestovo near Kyiv.

His power base was among the Varyagi to whom a payoffs were made as they were known to run roughshod over the citizenry. He had to flee to Scandinavia when his half-brother, Yaropolk, took the throne on the death of their father, Svyatoslav, in 972. He returned with 6000 Vikings - Varangians and organized an army also of Novgorodians. After taking Kyiv he reneged on his promise to pay the Varangians. He was able to keep a lid on them by sending some 6000 of them off to Greece to serve in Emperor Basil's army. Initially Vladimir was a tireless builder of heathen temples of which particularly intimidating was the idol Peruna on the hill where the Prince and privileged people lived.

In 992 a large mass of Pecheneg warriors were met by Vladimir on the opposite side of the Trubezh river and a stand off ensued. The legend says that it was agreed that each side would pick a warrior and that the winner would rule the others principality for three years. The Russian crushed the life out of the Pecheneg with his bare hands. Vladimir founded the city of Pereyaslavl on that spot. Other towns he is known to have built on the rivers Trubezh, Desna, Sula, etc., to halt the continuous attacks of steppe peoples and strengthen the defenses of the Russian territories, are Vasiliev on the Stugna and Belgorod on the Dnieper. There is no doubt Vladimir also founded a new city, Izyaslav, because he wished to rid himself of his wife Roganda and her son Izyaslav Vladimirovich. The principality of Polotsk remained under the rule of the descendants of Izyaslav Vladimirovich, Vladimir's eldest son of his first wife Roganda. She had forgiven him for having killed her father and brother but she could not abide by his unfaithfulness.

The Chronicler says that not only Christian but Muslim and Jews brought their missionaries to sway the prince to their beliefs. First among the ambassadors were the Bulgarians, practicing the religion of Mohammed, but their tenets of shaven heads and non-alcoholism did not please the prince. The ambassadors of the Pope in Rome were also rejected. Likewise the Khazar Jews were turned away. Having heard them, the prince asked them where was their homeland. "In Jerusalem" answered the ambassadors, but "God punished us, and scattered us on others' lands." "You who are punished by God dare teach others-- cried out Vladimir; we have no wish to give up our homeland." Finally, the envoy sent by the Greeks, a philosopher, refuting other beliefs, told in summary to the prince the Old and New Testaments and the contents of the Bible. In conclusion he showed Vladimir a depiction of the last judgement with the fates endured by the judged sinners and saved; the prince was astonished and exclaimed: "Happiness for those who do good deeds and anguish for the evil." "Be Baptized," responded the Greek elder and "You will be in Heaven with the first ones." Vladimir, the "Self made Christian," ordered the construction of the first stone churches, palaces and fortifications in Kiev. The church dedicated to the Virgin Mother was commissioned by Grand Prince Vladimir in 989 and endowed the church with a tenth part of his revenue; because of this endowment the people started calling the church Desyatinaya (The church of the Tithes), a name which it has been known ever since. He conducted many campaigns. Among the most notable was the siege and capture of Chersonesus, the Byzantine port in Crimea. He returned it in exchange for Basil's sister. 2842

St married Anna Princess of BYZANTINE EMPIRE,2858 daughter of Romanus II Emperor of BYZANTINE EMPIRE and Theophano of BYZANTINE EMPIRE, about 988 in Kherson, Kiev, Ukraine. Anna was born from 13 March 962 to 963 in Constantinople, Turkey and died in 1011 2858 at age 49.

St next married Regneide (Rogneda) Of POLOTSK,2856,2857,2859 daughter of Ragnvald OLAFSSON Of West Gotland & Polotsk and Ingelborge, in 1st Wife - Divorced. Regneide was born about 958 in Polotsk, Byelorussia and died in 1000 in (As A Nun Named Anastasia) 2860 about age 42.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Daughter Of KIEV was born about 975 in Kiev, Ukraine.

128709791226      ii.  Jaroslaus I "The Wise" Grand Duke Of KIEV (born about 976 in Kiev, Ukraine - died on 20 February 1053-1054 in Kiev, Ukraine)

                 iii.  Iszyaslav Valdimirovich Duke Of POLOTSK was born about 978 in Kiev, Ukraine and died in 1001 in Polotsk, Byelorussia about age 23.

                  iv.  Wyrtgeorn (Vortigern) King Of WENDEN was born about 980 in Wenden, Germany.

                   v.  Premyslava Of KIEV was born about 982 in Kiev, Ukraine and died in 1018 about age 36.

St next married Rogneda Von ÖHNINGEN,2862 daughter of Duke Of Swabia Konrad I Konradiner, Herzog Von SCHWABEN and Richilde, Imperial Princess Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE, after 1011 2857.,2861 Rogneda was born about 968 in Öhningen, Konstanz, Baden, Germany and died on 14 August 1014 2857,2861 about age 46.

The child from this marriage was:

                   i.  Dobroniega Princess Of KIEV was born after 1011 in Kiev, Ukraine 2649 and died in 1087 2649.


257419582453. Regneide (Rogneda) Of POLOTSK,415,2856,2857,2859 daughter of Ragnvald OLAFSSON Of West Gotland & Polotsk and Ingelborge, was born about 958 in Polotsk, Byelorussia and died in 1000 in (As A Nun Named Anastasia) 2860 about age 42.

General Notes:
The following post to SGM, 18 Feb 2003, by Igor Sklar, in reponse to the question of who Iaroslav/Jaroslaus The Wise's mother was gives her ancestry:

From: Igor Sklar (sklar2002@yandex.ru)
Subject: Re: Iaroslav the wise
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2003-02-18 10:31:36 PST

"jl" <zglorg@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message news:<b2rvkb$br2$1@news-reader12.wanadoo.fr>...
Plz someone can tell me who his mother was.

Anna of Macedonia or Rogneda

thanks

jl

Yaroslav's mother was Rogneda of Polotsk. I don't understand how it could be, conditioned that Vladimir took Rogneda by force in 980, whilst Yaroslav was born about 978 (he was 76 when he died). However the case, Yaroslav was the eldest biological son of Vladimir.

Rogneda is not a Slavic name. Her father was Ragnvald of West Gotland, then of Polotsk (killed 970), the brother of Truggvi Olafson of Norway (died 965) and the illegitimate son of Olaf Haraldson of Norway (died 934). As you may see, Yaroslav was a great grandson of Harald I Fairhair (died 931), the first Yngling king of Norway. This explains why in Norse sagas Vladimir is called a kinsman of Norse King Olaf Traggvison (who was brought up in Kiev) more than once.

Some folks are in pains to establish their line of descent from Macedonian Emperors of Byzantium. They assume that Yaroslav was born in 988 and his mother was Anna of Byzantium. But it's nothing more than their fantasy.

Respects, Igor

Note: Even though there is some doubt about the above ancestry, I am adopting it. There is much doubt about all of the early Scandinavian ancestry, depending as it does not 11th century writers (ie. Snorri & Nestor), and sagas. It is best to categorize the ancestries as legendary or historical, where the latter have verifiable evidence backing them up, while the "legendary" depend on the sagas, etc. This ancestry is legendary. Another variation is that it was Rogneda's mother (Ragnvald's wife) Ingelborge who was daughter of Olaf, instead of Ragnvald being son.

Regneide married St Vladimir I "The Great" Duke Of KIEV,2855,2856 son of Svatislav I Grand Duke Of KIEV and Maloucha Of LUBECH, in 1st Wife - Divorced. St was born about 955 in Kiev, Ukraine, died on 15 July 1015 in Berestovo, Kiev, Ukraine 2857 about age 60, and was buried in Church Of The Ti, Kiev, Ukraine. Other names for St were Saint Vladimir, and Vladimir I Svyatoslavich.

257419582454. Olaf III Eriksson King Of SWEDEN,415,2427 son of Erik IV "Victorious" Bjornsson King Of SWEDEN and Sigrid "The Haughty" STORRADA, was born about 969 in Sweden 2649 and died about 1022 902,2863 about age 53. Another name for Olaf was Olaf ERIKSSON.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, Abt 982. 2864

Olaf married Astrid Of OBOTRITES, daughter of Mieceslas Prince Of OBOTRITES and Sophia, about 999 of Uppsala, Sweden. Astrid was born in 979 in Sweden.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Astrid (Edstrid) Of SWEDEN was born about 1000 in Sweden.

128709791227      ii.  Ingegard OLAFSDOTTIR (born in 1001 in Uppsala, Sweden - died on 10 February 1049-1050 in Kiev, Ukraine)

                 iii.  Emund II "The Old" Olafson King Of SWEDEN was born in 1003 in Uppsala, Sweden. Another name for Emund was Edmund II "The Old" OLAFSON King Of Sweden.


257419582455. Astrid Of OBOTRITES,415 daughter of Mieceslas Prince Of OBOTRITES and Sophia, was born in 979 in Sweden.

Astrid married Olaf III Eriksson King Of SWEDEN,2427 son of Erik IV "Victorious" Bjornsson King Of SWEDEN and Sigrid "The Haughty" STORRADA, about 999 of Uppsala, Sweden. Olaf was born about 969 in Sweden 2649 and died about 1022 902,2863 about age 53. Another name for Olaf was Olaf ERIKSSON.

257419582456. Herbert III Count Of VERMANDOIS,415,2494 son of Albert I "The Pious" Count Of VERMANDOIS and Gerberga Of LORRAINE, was born about 955 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France 2494 and died about 1000 in France 2494 about age 45.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 29 August 997.

Herbert married Ermengarde De MACON 2491 after 998 in 2ND Husband 2491.,2494 Ermengarde was born about 972 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France 2493 and died after 1018 2491. Other names for Ermengarde were Ermengarde Of BAR (A Mistake), and2494 Ermengarde De BAR-SUR-SEINE (A Mistake).2493

The child from this marriage was:

128709791228       i.  Otho Count Of VERMANDOIS (born about 1000 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France - died on 25 May 1045 in France)


257419582457. Ermengarde De MACON,415,2491 daughter of Alberic II Count Of MACON & Salins and Ermentrude Of Roucy, Countess Of REIMS, was born about 972 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France 2493 and died after 1018 2491. Other names for Ermengarde were Ermengarde Of BAR (A Mistake), and2494 Ermengarde De BAR-SUR-SEINE (A Mistake).2493

General Notes: Note: AR has Herbert III de Vermandois as her 2nd husband, but the noted French genealogist Settipani has Herbert as her 1st husband and Milo IV as her 2nd. The sourced dates seem to work better following AR (which is why I am leaving them alone); however, if Settipani is correct (and he is an expert), then Herbert III would have died before 992 (Settipani has Ermengarde's son by Milo, Renaud b. abt 993), and Herbert & Ermengarde's son Otto would have been born before 992/3 instead of about 1000.

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This is an excerpt from a post to SGM (full post is in notes under Ermengarde de Tonnerre), 5 Dec 1998, by Settipani, the noted French genealogist:

The Ascendancy of Ermengarde of Tonnerre : Part II

The family of Ermengardis (no 5), widow of Herbert, not the reverse, is not < Bar-sur-Seine > (one misunderstanding hypothesis of E. Petit: such a dynasty does not exist at this time). She was, I think, the daughter of Alberic II of Macon and his second wife.

Noted events in her life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, After 1035. 2493

Ermengarde married Milo IV Comte De TONNERRE 2491,2816 in 1st Husband. Milo was born about 960 in Tonnerre, Yonne, Bourgogne, France and died before 998 2816.

The child from this marriage was:

128710221770       i.  Renhard II (Renaud) Comte De TONNERRE (born about 993 in Tonnerre, Yonne, Bourgogne, France - died on 16 July 1039)

Ermengarde next married Herbert III Count Of VERMANDOIS,2494 son of Albert I "The Pious" Count Of VERMANDOIS and Gerberga Of LORRAINE, after 998 in 2ND Husband 2491.,2494 Herbert was born about 955 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France 2494 and died about 1000 in France 2494 about age 45.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 29 August 997.

257419582460. Raoul II Comte D' VALOIS & Crepy,415,2865,2866 son of Walter II Count Of Vexin & Amiens & VALOIS and Adele De SENLIS, was born about 985 in Amiens, Somme, Picardy, France and died in 1060 in Castle At Crespy, Valois Now Oise, Picardy, France 2866 about age 75. Another name for Raoul was Raoul II Count Of VEXIN.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1030.

Raoul married Adele De BRETEUIL,2865,2867 daughter of Hildouin (Gilduin) Comte De BRETEUIL and Emmeline De CHARTRES. Adele was born in 992 in Breteuil, Eure, Normandy, France and died on 11 September 1051 2867 at age 59.

Children from this marriage were:

128709791230       i.  Raoul III "The Great" Count Of Valois & VEXIN (born about 1015 in Vexin, Seine Inferieure, Normandy, France - died on 23 February 1073-1074 in Peronne, Somme, Picardy, France)

                  ii.  Alix De CREPI was born about 1020 in Crepy-En-Valois, Oise, Picardy, France. Another name for Alix was Alice De VEXIN.

                 iii.  Thibault I De CREPY Seigneur De Nanteuil was born about 1022 in Crepy-En-Valois, Oise, Picardy, France and died in 1070 in Nanteuil-Le-Haudouin, Oise, Picardy, France 2868 about age 48. Another name for Thibault was Thibault I De CRESPY Seigneur De Nanteuil.


257419582461. Adele De BRETEUIL,2865,2867 daughter of Hildouin (Gilduin) Comte De BRETEUIL and Emmeline De CHARTRES, was born in 992 in Breteuil, Eure, Normandy, France and died on 11 September 1051 2867 at age 59.

Adele married Raoul II Comte D' VALOIS & Crepy,2865,2866 son of Walter II Count Of Vexin & Amiens & VALOIS and Adele De SENLIS. Raoul was born about 985 in Amiens, Somme, Picardy, France and died in 1060 in Castle At Crespy, Valois Now Oise, Picardy, France 2866 about age 75. Another name for Raoul was Raoul II Count Of VEXIN.

257419582462. Nocher III Comte De BAR-SUR-AUBE,2869 son of Nocher II Comte De BAR-SUR-AUBE and Adelaide D' ANJOU, was born about 992 in Bar-Sur-Aube, Aube, Champagne, France and died about 1040 2869 about age 48.

Nocher married.

The child from this marriage was:

128709791231       i.  Aelis (Adele) Comtesse De BAR-SUR-AUBE (born about 1019 in Bar-Sur-Aube, Aube, Champagne, France - died in 1053)


257419643684. Godefroy Le Vieux D'ardennes, Count Of VERDUN Marquis Antwerp,415,1444,1447,1601,1746,1784,2124,2593,2714,2715 son of Gonzelon (Gozelo) Comte De ARDENNES and Uda Von METZ, was born about 932 in Ardennes, Champagne-Ardenne, France and died on 4 September 1005 in Verdun, Meuse, Lorraine, France 1784,2715 about age 73. Other names for Godefroy were Godefrey D' ARDENNES Comte De Verdun, Godfroi, Comte D' ARDENNES, Godfrey, and Count Of VERDUN AND ARDENNES.

Godefroy married Countess Of Flanders Mathilde Princess Of SAXONY 1601,1784,2124,2711,2712 in 963 in <Of, , , Saxony>.2712 Mathilde was born in 958 in Saxony, Germany and died on 25 May 1008 1784,2711,2712 at age 50. Another name for Mathilde was Mathilde (Maud) Billung Of SAXONY.

257419643685. Countess Of Flanders Mathilde Princess Of SAXONY,415,1601,1746,1784,2124,2711,2712 daughter of Hermann BILLUNG Duke Of Saxony and Hildegard Von WESTERBOURG, was born in 958 in Saxony, Germany and died on 25 May 1008 1784,2711,2712 at age 50. Another name for Mathilde was Mathilde (Maud) Billung Of SAXONY.

General Notes:
Turton has Maud as 2nd wife of Arnulph I of Flanders and mother of Arnulph II. AR & others have her as mother of Arnulph II, but as wife of Baldwin III (not Arunlph I) as her 1st husband. Baldwin III died before his father and was not Count, he must have been overlooked by Turton & other early researchers.

Mathilde married Count Baudouin III Of FLANDERS 1601,2711 before 960 in <, Flanders, Nord, France>.2712 Baudouin was born in 933 in , Flanders, Nord, France and died on 1 November 962 in (Dvp) 2711 at age 29. Another name for Baudouin was Baldwin III Count Of FLANDERS.

Mathilde next married Godefroy Le Vieux D'ardennes, Count Of VERDUN Marquis Antwerp 1601,1784,2124,2593,2714,2715 in 963 in <Of, , , Saxony>.2712 Godefroy was born about 932 in Ardennes, Champagne-Ardenne, France and died on 4 September 1005 in Verdun, Meuse, Lorraine, France 1784,2715 about age 73. Other names for Godefroy were Godefrey D' ARDENNES Comte De Verdun, Godfroi, Comte D' ARDENNES, Godfrey, and Count Of VERDUN AND ARDENNES.

257419643686. Berengarius II King Of ITALY Marquis Of Ivrea,415,1444,1601,1746,2112,2870,2871 son of Adalbert I Margrave Of IVREA and Gisele Of Fruili Princess Of ITALY, was born about 919 in Italy 1436,2872 and died on 6 August 966 in Bamberg 2871,2873 about age 47. Another name for Berengarius was Berengarius II.

Noted events in his life were:

• Ruled: 950-952.

Berengarius married Willa D'arles Of TUSCANY 1601,2112,2874 in 936 in <Luxembourg, Luxembourg, West Europe> 2871.,2873 Willa was born about 915 in Of, , Tuscany, Italy and died after 974 1447. Other names for Willa were Willa III, Willa D' ARLES, and Willa Di TOSCANA.

Children from this marriage were:

128710214768       i.  Adalbert D'ivrée Ii, King Of LOMBARDY (born about 936 in Ivrea, Piedmont, Italy - died on 30 April 971 in Autun, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France)

                  ii.  Gerbage De Berenger Of BURGUNDY was born in 945 in Italy.1436 Other names for Gerbage were Gerberga Of IVREA, and Gerberge De TOSCANE.

                 iii.  Conrad I Conte Di VENTIMIGLIA was born about 950 in Ventimiglia (Near Monte Carlo), Italy 1339 and died in 1001 1447 about age 51. Another name for Conrad was Conrad-Dado.

128710215525      iv.  Queen Of France Rosela (Susanna) Of ITALY Princess Of Italy (born about 945 in Luxembourg, Luxembourg, West Europe - died on 26 January 1002-1003 in Gent, Luxembourg, Belgium)

128709821843       v.  Urracca Princess Of ITALY (born about 967 in Italy)

                  vi.  Eido, Margrave Of IVREA was born in 940 1447 and died on 25 June 965 1447 at age 25. Another name for Eido, was Wido, Margrave Of IVREA.

                 vii.  Gisela The Nun Of IVREA was born about 942.


257419643687. Willa D'arles Of TUSCANY,415,1444,1601,1746,2112,2874 daughter of Boso Of Arles, Margrave Of TUSCANY and Willa Princess Of BURGUNDY, was born about 915 in Of, , Tuscany, Italy and died after 974 1447. Other names for Willa were Willa III, Willa D' ARLES, and Willa Di TOSCANA.

Willa married Berengarius II King Of ITALY Marquis Of Ivrea 1601,2112,2871 in 936 in <Luxembourg, Luxembourg, West Europe> 2871.,2873 Berengarius was born about 919 in Italy 1436,2872 and died on 6 August 966 in Bamberg 2871,2873 about age 47. Another name for Berengarius was Berengarius II.

257419643696. Louis I Comte De CHINY,2875 son of Otto I Comte De Warcq & CHINY and Ermengarde De NAMUR, was born about 995 in Chiny, Luxemburg and died on 28 September 1025 in (Murdered) 2875 about age 30.

Louis married Katharina 2875 in 1014.2875 Katharina was born about 1000 in Luxemburg.

The child from this marriage was:

128709821848       i.  Louis II Comte De Ivoix & CHINY (born on 28 September 1025 in Chiny, Luxemburg - died in 1068)


257419643697. Katharina 2875 was born about 1000 in Luxemburg.

Katharina married Louis I Comte De CHINY,2875 son of Otto I Comte De Warcq & CHINY and Ermengarde De NAMUR, in 1014.2875 Louis was born about 995 in Chiny, Luxemburg and died on 28 September 1025 in (Murdered) 2875 about age 30.

257419643698. Frederick Comte De VERDUN,415,2876 son of Godefroy Le Vieux D'ardennes, Count Of VERDUN Marquis Antwerp and Countess Of Flanders Mathilde Princess Of SAXONY, was born about 968 in Verdun, Meuse, Lorraine, France and died from 6 January 1021 to 1022 in St. Viton (St Vannes), Verdun, France (As A Monk) about age 53.

Frederick married.

The child from this marriage was:

128709821849       i.  Sophie (Sophia) De VERDUN (born before 1023 in Verdun, Meuse, Lorraine, France - died in 1078)


257419651324. Simon II De DAMMARTIN Count Of Aumale,415,670,2877 son of Alberic II Comte De DAMMARTIN and Maud (Mathilde) Of CLERMONT, was born about 1172 in Dammartin, Seine-Et-Marne, Ile-DE-France, France, died on 21 September 1239 in Abbeville, Somme, Picardy, France 2877 about age 67, and was buried in Valoires, France.

Simon married Marie Countess Of PONTHIEU,2877 daughter of William (Guillaume) III Count Of PONTHIEU and Alais CAPET Princess Of France, between 1208 and 1211 in Aumale, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.2877 Marie was born on 17 April 1199 in Aumale, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died in September 1250 in Normandy, France 2877 at age 51. Another name for Marie was Marie Countess Of MONTREUIL.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Joan De DAMMARTIN Of Ponthieu was born in 1216 in Dammartin, Seine-Et-Marne, Ile-DE-France, France and died from 15 March 1278 to 1279 in Abbeville, France 2878 at age 62.

                  ii.  Philippa De DAMMARTIN was born about 1224 in Aumale, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died in 1271 in Zutphen, Guelders/Gelderland, Netherlands about age 47.

128709825662     iii.  Osbern FITZRICHARD Of Richard's Castle (born in 1055 in Arwystle, Herefordshire, England - died after 1100 in Richard's Castle, Ludlow, Herefordshire, England)


257419651325. Marie Countess Of PONTHIEU,415,670,2877 daughter of William (Guillaume) III Count Of PONTHIEU and Alais CAPET Princess Of France, was born on 17 April 1199 in Aumale, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died in September 1250 in Normandy, France 2877 at age 51. Another name for Marie was Marie Countess Of MONTREUIL.

Marie married Simon II De DAMMARTIN Count Of Aumale,2877 son of Alberic II Comte De DAMMARTIN and Maud (Mathilde) Of CLERMONT, between 1208 and 1211 in Aumale, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.2877 Simon was born about 1172 in Dammartin, Seine-Et-Marne, Ile-DE-France, France, died on 21 September 1239 in Abbeville, Somme, Picardy, France 2877 about age 67, and was buried in Valoires, France.

257419651456. Torf "The Rich" De HARCOURT,1454 son of Bernard "The Dane" De HARCOURT and Sprota Of BURGUNDY, was born about 930 in Harcourt, Brionne, Eure, Normandy, France.

Torf married Ermenberge De BRIQUEBEC,1454 daughter of Amflec De BRIQUEBEC and Unknown. Ermenberge was born about 930 in Bricquibec, Manche, Normandy, France and died about 955 1454 about age 25. Another name for Ermenberge was Ertemberge De BRICQUEBEC.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Turchetil De HARCOURT Seigneur De Turqueville was born about 951 in Turqueville Near Cherbourg, Manche, Normandy, France and died after 1024 in Harcourt, Brionne, Eure, Normandy, France 608.

128709825728      ii.  Turulf (Thorold) Seigneur De PONT AUDEMER (born about 952 in Pont Audemer, Eure, Normandy, France - died in 979)


257419651457. Ermenberge De BRIQUEBEC,1454 daughter of Amflec De BRIQUEBEC and Unknown, was born about 930 in Bricquibec, Manche, Normandy, France and died about 955 1454 about age 25. Another name for Ermenberge was Ertemberge De BRICQUEBEC.

Ermenberge married Torf "The Rich" De HARCOURT,1454 son of Bernard "The Dane" De HARCOURT and Sprota Of BURGUNDY. Torf was born about 930 in Harcourt, Brionne, Eure, Normandy, France.

257419651458. Herbastus Forester Of ARQUE,415,1601,1746,1973,2045 son of Herfast Of ARQUE and Unknown, was born about 911 in Arque, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France,1973 died after 984 1973, and was buried in "Of The Noblest House Of The Danes.".1973 Another name for Herbastus was Herbastus "Not" De CREPON.

General Notes:
Apparently there is no evidence of what the name was of the father of Gunnor, Senfrie, Herfast, and Avelina. Ancestral Roots states he was a forester of Arque. He was not of Crepon, but later genealogists mistakenly thought the family was of Crepon because Herbastus' son, Herfast, received lands in Crepon, probably due to the relationship of his sister with Duke Richard.

I will leave the "de Crepon" name with the family, just as I have the Plantagenet name with that family, although the Plantagenets were not known by that name until Richard, Duke of York in the 1400's. However I will put a "not' in front of everybody but the son, who was "de Crepon".

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The following is a post to SGM, 3 Dec 1996, by Todd Farmerie:

From: Todd A. Farmerie (taf2@po.cwru.edu)
Subject: Robert de Torigny and the family of Gunnor, Duchess of Normandy
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 1996/12/03

There have been many posts requesting information on the various Norman relationships compiled by Robert de Torigny. This is an attempt to summarize and harmonize several recent works on some of the lines:

Elisabeth M C van Houts. Robert of Torigni as Genealogist. in Studies in Medieval History presented to R. Allen Brown, p.215-33.

Kathleen Thompson. The Norman Aristocracy before 1066: the Example of the Montgomerys. in Historical Research 60:251-63.

K S B Keats-Rohan. Aspects of Torigny's Genealogy Revisited. in Nottingham Medieval Studies 37:21-7.

Robert de Torigny, writing after the Norman Conquest, recorded the genealogical traditions which tied many of the Norman nobility to the family of Gunnor, first mistress of Richard I, then Duchess of Normandy. He reported the tradition that Richard had become infatuated with the wife of one of his foresters, but being the pious wife, she substituted her sister Gunnor, much to everyone's satisfaction. He proceded to name the siblings of Gunnor, and also indicated the she had numerous nieces, who are left unnamed, but whose marriages and descendants are provided.

The genealogical information contained in this account has at various times been praised and condemned, but recent opinion seems to favor the view that, while minor errors abound, the genealogies accurately represent a tradition of shared descent that may account for the rapid rise of these nobles.

The parentage of Gunnor and her siblings is unknown. While some sources call her father Herfastus, this was in fact the name of her brother. She has also been claimed as daughter of the Danish royal family, but there is no evidence for this, and the context of her coming to the attention of Richard I and the family's subsequent rise to power militates against her being a royal daughter. Douglas argued (in a 1944 English Historical Review article on the family of William Fitz Osbern), based on the donations of brother Arfast to the monastery of St. Pere, that the root of the family was in the Cotetin region of Normandy, but van Houts has suggested that the Cotetin land was granted to Arfast, rather than inherited by him. Thus we are left with the more ambiguous statements of Torigny and others that she was a member of a Norman family of Danish origins.

The only known brother of Gunnor was Arfast/Herfast, of whom we gain what little insight we have from a trial of heretics conducted by Robert II. Arfast testified that he had pretended to join the sect, all the better to denounce them when the time arose. He later donated lands to the monastery of St. Pere, to which he retired. He had at least two sons: Osbern, who was steward to the later Dukes, and was murdered by William de Montgomery while defending the young Duke William; and Ranulf, known from charters. Osbern maried a niece of Richard I (the daughter of his half-brother) and by her was the father of the Conquest baron William Fitz Osbern.

Gunnor had at least three sisters, of which the oldest appears to have been Senfria (Seinfreda), who was wife of the (unnamed) forester from the area of St. Vaast d'Equiqueville, and it was her charms which are said first to have attracted the attentions Duke Richard I. She appears to have had at least one daughter, Joscelina, wife of Hugh de Montgomery. (Torigny makes Joscelina daughter of another sister, Wevia, but a contemporary of Torigny, in demonstrating the genealogical impediment to a marriage of a bastard of Henry I to a Montgomery descendant specifically calls Joscelina's mother Senfria, and the inheritance by the Montgomerys of large holdings suggests that Joscelina was a significant coheir to her parents, which does not match Wevia's family where two sons would be expected to acquire most of the family land.) Hugh de Montgomery and Joscelina had a son Roger, but contrary to Torigny's statements, he was not the Conquest baron of that name, but instead his father. By a wife possibly named Emma, Roger had: Hugh; Roger (who married Mabel of Belleme and played a significant role in pre-Conquest Normandy); William (who murdered cousin Osbern); Robert, and Gilbert.

Duvelina, a second sister of Gunnor, married Turulf de Pont Audemer, son of a Norman founder Torf, and uncle of the first of the Harcourts. They had at least one son, Humphrey de Vielles, who in turn was father of Roger de Beaumont, another Conquest-era baron.

Wevia, the only other sister of Gunnor named by Torigny, married Osbern de Bolbec (who is otherwise unknown to history). They had at least two sons: Walter Giffard, ancestor of the English Giffard/Gifford families, and also, through his daughter, of the Clare family; and Godfrey, whose son William de Arques had two daughters and co-heiresses.

Torigny indicates that Gunnor had numerous nieces, names the descendants of several of them, but the accounts of these families are more difficult to harmonize with other available sources, as has already been seen with niece Joscelina.

One niece is said to have married Nicholas de Bracqueville, and to have had William Martel and Walter de St. Martin. As to Martel, there seems to have been a connection to this family, since Hawise, daughter of Nicholas married Hugh de Wareham, son of a Grippo. Hugh had a brother Geoffrey Martel, but beyond this no recent analysis provides any insight as to the descent of the later Martels. Walter de St. Martin is even more of a problem, since elsewhere Torigny incorrectly makes him brother of William de Warenne, but the ancestry given there is clearly false. Thus it is not clear that Torigny knew the exact connection of Walter, and no evindece to clarify his true origins.

A second niece is said to have married Richard, vicomte of Rouen (who was son of Tesselin). He had a son Lambert of St. Saens, whose son Helias married a bastard daughter of Robert II of Normandy. (If the connection here given is correct, then these two were withing the prohibited degree, which may throw doubt on the relationship, or simply suggest that the relationship did not come to light at the time.) Based on later interactions between Montgomery and Warenne (thought to be related to this branch) it has been speculated that this niece was sister of Joscelina, which is possible but unsupported.

It appears to be through this family that the relationship of two more Norman barons come into play, but not exactly as Torigny presents it. He shows yet another niece marrying Ranulph de Warenne, and by him having William de Warenne and Roger de Mortimer. This is clearly untrue, because Roger appears to have been a generation older than William. The solution appears to be that Torigny (as he had done with the Montgomerys) compressed into one individual a father and son of the same name. Ranulph de Warenne (I) appears to have married Beatrice, sister of Richard, vicomte of Rouen, and thus sister-in-law of one of Gunnor's nieces (thus it would appear that this family actually does not descend from a relative of Gunnor's, but is genealogically linked to some of her descendants) and had sons: Roger (de Mortimer) and Ranulph de Warenne (II), who in turn was father of another Ranulf (III) and of William de Warenne.

Finally, Torigny states that a niece married Osmund de Centumvillis, vicote of Vernon, and had a son Fulk de Alnou, and a daughter whose son was Baldwin de Reviers. Much debate has focussed on the attempt to identify these men, but in the latter case, clearly a connection to the Reviers/Vernon Earls of Devon is intended. The precise nature of the relationship is more difficult to pin down. It would seem that the first Earl Richard de Reviers was son of a Baldwin, who had brothers Richard de Vernon (app. d.s.p.) and William Fitz Hugh de Vernon (perhaps a half-brother, who by wife Emma had a son Hugh, often confused with a Hugh, brother of Earl Richard. It is this error that has led to the statement that Emma was the relative of Gunnor, which derives from a set of relationships hypothesized in CP (under Devon) and predicated on her being mother of Hugh, brother of Earl Richard, an untrue relationship.). If Baldwin, father of Earl Richard, was the same as the grandson of Osmund de Centumvillis this would complete the picture, but one more relationship invites comment. Earl Richard is said by an early source, cited by CP, to be nephew of William Fitz Osbern. This may enable us to place the unnamed wife of Osmund as sister of William Fitz Osbern, and thus a great-niece rather than a niece of Gunnor, although this solution strains chronology.

The work of Robert de Torigny thus provides a valuable source for the genealogical origins of the immediate pre-Conquest Norman aristocracy. When it has been possible to compare the information with other sources, some inconsistancies are found, but it is unclear whether these represent errors of Robert, or inaccuracies in the genealogical traditions he was recording. In most cases, an in-depth study of the available material has enabled modern historians to satisfactorilly reconstruct the descents from Gunnor's family and provide a representation of the true relationships among these early Norman families.

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Noted events in his life were:

• Fact 2: Fact 2. 1973 One source sdays he was Haraldblaafand Of Denmark, King.

Herbastus married Gunnhild OLAFSDOTTIR Princess Of Sweden. Gunnhild was born in 923 in Sweden and died on 13 November 1002 at age 79. Another name for Gunnhild was Gyrid Or Gunhilda.

Children from this marriage were:

128710214773       i.  Duchess Of Crepon & Norma Gunnora (Gunhilda) CREPON (born in 936 in Arque, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France - died in 1031 in France)

128710214723      ii.  Senfrie (Sainfrie) De CREPON (born about 970 in Arque, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France)

128709825729     iii.  Duvelina (Eva\Dulceline) "Not" De CREPON (born about 953 in Arque, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France)

                  iv.  Herfast (Arfastus) De CREPON was born about 955 in Arque, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died in Crepon, Calvados, Normandy, France.

                   v.  Avelina (Wevia) "Not" De CREPON was born about 960 in Arque, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.

Herbastus next married Mrs-Herbastus De CREPON 1601 in <, Normandy, France>. Mrs-Herbastus was born about 916 in Of, , Normandy, France and died in Y.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Wevia (Duceline) De CREPON was born about 942 in Of, Pont-Audemer, Eure, France.1973

                  ii.  Avelina (Aveline) De CREPON was born about 974 in Of, Longueville, Normandy, France 1973 and died in France.

                 iii.  Herfast De CREPON The Dane was born about 975 of Normandy, France.1973

Herbastus next married before 936.1375

Marriage Notes:
Reference Number:37785

The child from this marriage was:

                   i.  Gundrada De CRÊPON.

Herbastus next married before 970.1375

Marriage Notes:
Reference Number:59933

The child from this marriage was:

                   i.  Gunnora De AUNOU was born in 984 of France.1973


257419651459. Gunnhild OLAFSDOTTIR Princess Of Sweden,415 daughter of Olaf "Mitkg" Bjornsson King Of SWEDEN and Ingeborg Of Sula THRANDSDOTTIR, was born in 923 in Sweden and died on 13 November 1002 at age 79. Another name for Gunnhild was Gyrid Or Gunhilda.

General Notes:
Dau. of Olaf (Edmundson) Bjornsson and Ingeborg of Sula Thrandsdottir; m. Harald III 'Bluetooth' Gormsson; mother of Thyra, Svend I, and Erik (Hring); m. Herbastus de Crepon and was mother of Weoerta/Wevia. [Gary Lewis <gnl1@ix.netcom.com, 21 dec 2001]

b. 923; dau of Olaf 'Mitkg' Bjornsson, King of Sweden, and Ingeberg Thrandsdottir; m. Herbastus de Crepon, Forester of Arque; mother of Avelina/Duvelina, Gunnora/Gundra, Herfast, and Eva Senfrie. [Larry Overmire <larryover@worldnet.att.net, 2 Apr 2003]

Gunnhild married Herbastus Forester Of ARQUE 1601,1973.,2045 Herbastus was born about 911 in Arque, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France,1973 died after 984 1973, and was buried in "Of The Noblest House Of The Danes.".1973 Another name for Herbastus was Herbastus "Not" De CREPON.

257419651464. Waleran II (Robert) Count Of MEULAN,415,1778,2445 son of Waleran I Count Of MEULAN and Ligardis (Liegarde) Countess Of MEULAN, was born about 945 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France and died in 990 1778 about age 45.

Waleran married.

The child from this marriage was:

128709825732       i.  Robert II (Hugo) Count Of MEULAN (born about 966 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France - died in 991)


257419651466. Walter II Count Of Vexin & Amiens & VALOIS,415,2445,2879,2880,2881,2882 son of Walter I Count Of Vexin & Amiens & VALOIS and Adele D' ANJOU, was born about 952 in Amiens, Somme, Picardy, France and died between 1017 and 1024 in Castle At Crespy, Valois Now Oise, Picardy, France 2879 about age 65. Another name for Walter was Gautier II Count Of VEXIN.

General Notes: Walter II, "The White", Count of Vexin, Valois, and Amiens; built the Castle of Crespy in Valois, founder of Monastery of St Arunulf, Valois, 1008; married Adela and died 1017-24. [Burke's Peerage]

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Gautier II Count of Valois. Count of Amiens, Valois, and the Vexin. [Alan B. Wilson]

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1027. 1011

Walter married Adele De SENLIS 1011,2445,2879.,2883 Adele was born about 954 in Senlis, Oise, Picardy, France.

Children from this marriage were:

128709825733       i.  Adela (Alix) De VEXIN (born about 970 in Vexin, Seine Inferieure, Normandy, France)

                  ii.  Sprotte De CREPY was born about 976 in Crepy-En-Valois, Oise, Picardy, France.

257419582460     iii.  Raoul II Comte D' VALOIS & Crepy (born about 985 in Amiens, Somme, Picardy, France - died in 1060 in Castle At Crespy, Valois Now Oise, Picardy, France)

                  iv.  Dreux (Drogo) Count Of Amiens & VEXIN was born about 990 in Amiens, Somme, Picardy, France and died on 1 July 1035 in While On Pilgrimage To Holy Land 2799,2884 about age 45. Another name for Dreux was Dreux Comte De MANTES.


257419651467. Adele De SENLIS,415,1011,2445,2879,2883 daughter of Bernard (Bormard) Comte De SENLIS and Unknown, was born about 954 in Senlis, Oise, Picardy, France.

Adele married Walter II Count Of Vexin & Amiens & VALOIS 2445,2879,2880,2881.,2882 Walter was born about 952 in Amiens, Somme, Picardy, France and died between 1017 and 1024 in Castle At Crespy, Valois Now Oise, Picardy, France 2879 about age 65. Another name for Walter was Gautier II Count Of VEXIN.

257419651736. Hildouin II Comte De MONTDIDIER,415 son of Hildouin I Comte De MONTDIDIER and Helsinde, was born in 960 in Montdidier, Somme, Picardy, France and died in 992 at age 32.

Hildouin married.

Children from this marriage were:

128709825868       i.  Hildouin III Comte De Ramerupt & MONTDIDIER (born about 990 in Montdidier, Somme, Picardy, France - died in Ramerupt, Aube, Champagne, France)

                  ii.  Manasses De Montdidier Comte De DAMMARTIN was born in 1010 in Of, Dammartine-En-Goele, Seine-Et-Marne, France and died on 15 November 1057 in Seige Of Bar-Le-Duc, Lorraine, France at age 47.


257419651740. Giselbert Comte De ROUCY & Rheims,415,1444,2708,2885,2886 son of Renaud I Comte De ROUCY & Rheims and Albérade De LORRAINE, was born about 951 in Roucy, Aisne, Picardy, France,2708,2709 died after 19 April 991 in Reims, Marne, Champagne, France 1784,2706,2708,2709, and was buried in 990 in Saint-Remi Of Rheims.2706,2709 Other names for Giselbert were Giselbert Comte De Roucy & RHEIMS, ROUCI, Gilbert, and Count I De ROUCY.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 990. 2887

Giselbert married Miss De MACON, daughter of Alberic II Count Of MACON & Salins and Ermentrude Of Roucy, Countess Of REIMS. Miss was born about 970 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France. Another name for Miss was Miss De POITIERS.

Children from this marriage were:

128709825870       i.  Ebles I Comte De Rheims & ROUCY (born in 988 in Roucy, Aisne, Picardy, France - died on 11 May 1033 in Reims, Marne, Champagne, France)

                  ii.  Lietaud I De ROUCY Seigneur De Marle was born about 990 in Roucy, Aisne, Picardy, France and died in Marle, Aisne, Picardy, France. Another name for Lietaud was Lietaud I De Roucy Seigneur De MARLE.

                 iii.  Judith De ROUCY was born before 991 in Reims, Marne, Champagne, France.

                  iv.  Yvette De ROUCY was born about 992.

Giselbert next married N. N. D' AQUITAINE, daughter of Count Of Poitiers Guillaume III (I) Duke Of AQUITAINE and Countess Of Poitiers Adèle (Gerloc) Of NORMANDY. N. was born about 950 and died after 972.


257419651741. Miss De MACON,415 daughter of Alberic II Count Of MACON & Salins and Ermentrude Of Roucy, Countess Of REIMS, was born about 970 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France. Another name for Miss was Miss De POITIERS.

General Notes: Leo van de Pas, citing ES, has Giselbert's wife as "NN de Poitiers", with no ancestry or other information given. I don't know whether this is another name for "Miss de Macon" or not.

Miss married Giselbert Comte De ROUCY & Rheims,2708,2886 son of Renaud I Comte De ROUCY & Rheims and Albérade De LORRAINE. Giselbert was born about 951 in Roucy, Aisne, Picardy, France,2708,2709 died after 19 April 991 in Reims, Marne, Champagne, France 1784,2706,2708,2709, and was buried in 990 in Saint-Remi Of Rheims.2706,2709 Other names for Giselbert were Giselbert Comte De Roucy & RHEIMS, ROUCI, Gilbert, and Count I De ROUCY.

257419651742. Rainer IV Count Of HAINAULT,415,1601,1746,2112,2784 son of Regnier III "Long Neck" Count Of HAINAULT and Adele Of LOUVAIN, was born about 950 in Mons, Hainault, Belgium 2679 and died between 1013 and 1049 2112,2784 about age 63.

General Notes:
On page 13, Turton places a "1" by the marriage to Edith, indicating his 1st marriage, and implying another marriage to a 2nd wife. I have seen no other indication by Turton or anyone else that there was a 2nd marriage; therefore I am ignoring it until such time as a 2nd marriage appears.

Rainer married Hedwig (Edith) Princess Of FRANCE,1601,1882,2112,2784 daughter of Hugues "Capet" King Of FRANCE and Adélaïde Princess Of AQUITAINE, about 996 in <Of, Hainault, Duchy Of Lower>.1882 Hedwig was born about 965 in France and died about 1013 2679 about age 48. Another name for Hedwig was Hathuide CAPET.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Regnier V Count Of HAINAULT was born about 979 in Hainault, Belgium and died about 1039 in (Dspm) 2583 about age 60.

128709825871      ii.  Beatrix Of HAINAULT (born in 992 in Hainault, France - died after 1035)


257419651743. Hedwig (Edith) Princess Of FRANCE,415,1601,1746,1882,2112,2784 daughter of Hugues "Capet" King Of FRANCE and Adélaïde Princess Of AQUITAINE, was born about 965 in France and died about 1013 2679 about age 48. Another name for Hedwig was Hathuide CAPET.

Hedwig married Rainer IV Count Of HAINAULT,1601,2112,2784 son of Regnier III "Long Neck" Count Of HAINAULT and Adele Of LOUVAIN, about 996 in <Of, Hainault, Duchy Of Lower>.1882 Rainer was born about 950 in Mons, Hainault, Belgium 2679 and died between 1013 and 1049 2112,2784 about age 63.

Hedwig next married Count Hugues III DASBOURY 1601 between 1013 and 1033 in <, , France>. Hugues was born in <, , France> and died in Y.


257419651848. Niel (Nigel) II Vicomte De ST. SAUVEUR,415,1336 son of Unknown and Daughter Of Richard I De NORMANDY, was born about 964 in St Sauveur, Cotentin/Manche, Normandy, France and died in 1045 1336 about age 81.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1041. 2453

Niel married Godhilda BORE.2453 Godhilda was born about 965 in France.

The child from this marriage was:

128709825924       i.  Niel (Nigel) III Vicomte De ST. SAUVEUR (born about 985 in St Sauveur, Cotentin/Manche, Normandy, France - died after 1066)


257419651849. Godhilda BORE 415,2453 was born about 965 in France.

Godhilda married Niel (Nigel) II Vicomte De ST. SAUVEUR,1336 son of Unknown and Daughter Of Richard I De NORMANDY. Niel was born about 964 in St Sauveur, Cotentin/Manche, Normandy, France and died in 1045 1336 about age 81.

257419651850. Godfrey Fitzrichard Of BRIONNE Comte D'eu,415,1049,1601,1746,2744,2745 son of Richard I "The Fearless" 3Rd Duke Of NORMANDY Count Of Rouen and Duchess Of Crepon & Norma Gunnora (Gunhilda) CREPON, was born about 953 in Brionne, Eure, Normandy, France and died in 1015 2511 about age 62. Another name for Godfrey was Geoffrey Of Brionne Comte D' EU.

General Notes:
Gilbert, Count of Brionne, who was son of Godfrey, Count of Brionne, illegitimate son of Richard I, the Fearless, Duke of Normandy. [Magna Charta Sureties, line 157-1]

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Turton has Geoffrey (Godfrey Comte d'Eu as a legitimate son of Richard & Gunnora, which confused me for awhile and I had him as a 2nd person (father of Adele only). However I believe Turton is wrong, and Godfrey was an illegitimate son (in fact the eldest illegitimate son).

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The following is the first part of a post to SGM, 29 Aug 1996, by Dave Utzinger:

From: Dave Utzinger (UTZ@AOL.COM)
Subject: CLARE FAMILY
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 1996/08/29

From "A Baronial Family in Medieval England: The Clares, 1217-1314", by Michael Altschul, Baltimore, The Johns Hopkins press, 1965.

The Clares came to England with the Conqueror. Like many other great families settled in England after the Conquest, they were related to the dukes of Normandy and had established themselves as important members of the Norman feudal aristocracy in the late tenth and early eleventh centuries.

The origin of the family can be traced to Godfrey, eldest of the illegitimate children of Duke Richard I (the Fearless), the Conqueror's great-grandfather. While the Duke granted Godfrey Brionne, he did not make him a count. Godfrey's comital title derives from the grant of the county of Eu made to him after 996 by his half-brother, Duke Richard II. After Godfrey's death, Eu was given to William, another of Duke Richard I's bastard sons, and Gilbert, Godfrey's son, was left with only the lordship of Brionne. However, under Duke Robert I, father of William the Conqueror, Gilbert assumed the title of count of Brionne while not relinquishing his claim to Eu. When Count William of Eu died shortly before 1040, Gilbert assumed the land and title, but he was assassinated in 1040 and his young sons, Richard and Baldwin, were forced to flee Normandy, finding safety at the court of Baldwin V, count of Flanders. When William the Conqueror married Count Baldwin's daughter, he restored Gilbert's sons to Normandy, although he did not invest them with either Brionne or Eu or a comital title. William granted the lordships of Bienfaite and Orbec to Richard fitz Gilbert, and Le Sap and Meules to Baldwin. While Gilbert's descendants later pressed a claim for Brionne, it was never restored.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, After 996. 1404

Godfrey married Heloise De GUINES,2276 daughter of Sigfried "The Dane" Comte De GUINES and Countess Of Guisnes Elisende (Elftrude) De FLANDERS. Heloise was born about 963 in Castle At Guines, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France.

Godfrey next married Countess Of D' Eu Mrs. Geoffrey BRIONNE.1601 Mrs. was born about 973 in Of, , Normandy, France and died in Y.


257419651851. Heloise De GUINES,415,2276 daughter of Sigfried "The Dane" Comte De GUINES and Countess Of Guisnes Elisende (Elftrude) De FLANDERS, was born about 963 in Castle At Guines, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France.

Heloise married Godfrey Fitzrichard Of BRIONNE Comte D'eu,1049,1601,2744,2745 son of Richard I "The Fearless" 3Rd Duke Of NORMANDY Count Of Rouen and Duchess Of Crepon & Norma Gunnora (Gunhilda) CREPON. Godfrey was born about 953 in Brionne, Eure, Normandy, France and died in 1015 2511 about age 62. Another name for Godfrey was Geoffrey Of Brionne Comte D' EU.

Heloise next married Crispin De BEC,2276 son of Grimald Prince Of MONACO and Crispina De NORMANDY. Crispin was born about 955 in Bec, Eure, Normandy, France.

257419651856. Ralph I Seigneur De TOENI,1449,2888 son of Hugh De CALVACAMP and Unknown, was born about 930 in Tosni, Louviers, Eure, Normandy, France.

General Notes: As indicated by Burke's Peerage in notes for Hugh de Calvacamp, Ralph received Toeni from his elder brother Hugh, Archbishop of Rouen.

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RALPH (or RODULF) DE TOENI I, son of HUGH DE CALVACAMP, was given Tosni by his brother Hugh, and is described as a most powerful man, perhaps in consequence of that gift. He is usually confused with his son Ralph, but there is no authority for such identification, and the dates involved show that there must have been two Ralphs, belonging to successive generations. [Complete Peerage XII/1:754, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

Ralph married.

The child from this marriage was:

128709825928       i.  Ralph II Seigneur De TOENI Lord Of Conches (born before 970 in Tosni, Louviers, Eure, Normandy, France - died after 1015 in Guerny, Eure, Normandy, France)


257419651858. Balso Count Of BAYEUX 415 was born about 930 in Bayeux, Calvados, Normandy, France.

Balso married.

257419652496. Aimery I De RANCON 2229 was born about 980 in Rancon, Haute-Vienne, Limousin, France and died in 1013 2229 about age 33.

Aimery married.

The child from this marriage was:

128709826248       i.  Geoffrey I De RANCON (born before 1014 in Rancon, Haute-Vienne, Limousin, France - died in 1068)


257420429440. Roger De MONTGOMERY 415,1120 was born about 925 in St-Germain-DE-Montgomery, Calvados, Normandy, France.

Roger married.

The child from this marriage was:

128710214720       i.  Roger De MONTGOMERY (born about 950 in St-Germain-DE-Montgomery, Calvados, Normandy, France - died after 1022)


257420429446. Herbastus Forester Of ARQUE,415,1601,1746,1973,2045 son of Herfast Of ARQUE and Unknown, was born about 911 in Arque, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France,1973 died after 984 1973, and was buried in "Of The Noblest House Of The Danes.".1973 Another name for Herbastus was Herbastus "Not" De CREPON.

General Notes:
Apparently there is no evidence of what the name was of the father of Gunnor, Senfrie, Herfast, and Avelina. Ancestral Roots states he was a forester of Arque. He was not of Crepon, but later genealogists mistakenly thought the family was of Crepon because Herbastus' son, Herfast, received lands in Crepon, probably due to the relationship of his sister with Duke Richard.

I will leave the "de Crepon" name with the family, just as I have the Plantagenet name with that family, although the Plantagenets were not known by that name until Richard, Duke of York in the 1400's. However I will put a "not' in front of everybody but the son, who was "de Crepon".

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The following is a post to SGM, 3 Dec 1996, by Todd Farmerie:

From: Todd A. Farmerie (taf2@po.cwru.edu)
Subject: Robert de Torigny and the family of Gunnor, Duchess of Normandy
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 1996/12/03

There have been many posts requesting information on the various Norman relationships compiled by Robert de Torigny. This is an attempt to summarize and harmonize several recent works on some of the lines:

Elisabeth M C van Houts. Robert of Torigni as Genealogist. in Studies in Medieval History presented to R. Allen Brown, p.215-33.

Kathleen Thompson. The Norman Aristocracy before 1066: the Example of the Montgomerys. in Historical Research 60:251-63.

K S B Keats-Rohan. Aspects of Torigny's Genealogy Revisited. in Nottingham Medieval Studies 37:21-7.

Robert de Torigny, writing after the Norman Conquest, recorded the genealogical traditions which tied many of the Norman nobility to the family of Gunnor, first mistress of Richard I, then Duchess of Normandy. He reported the tradition that Richard had become infatuated with the wife of one of his foresters, but being the pious wife, she substituted her sister Gunnor, much to everyone's satisfaction. He proceded to name the siblings of Gunnor, and also indicated the she had numerous nieces, who are left unnamed, but whose marriages and descendants are provided.

The genealogical information contained in this account has at various times been praised and condemned, but recent opinion seems to favor the view that, while minor errors abound, the genealogies accurately represent a tradition of shared descent that may account for the rapid rise of these nobles.

The parentage of Gunnor and her siblings is unknown. While some sources call her father Herfastus, this was in fact the name of her brother. She has also been claimed as daughter of the Danish royal family, but there is no evidence for this, and the context of her coming to the attention of Richard I and the family's subsequent rise to power militates against her being a royal daughter. Douglas argued (in a 1944 English Historical Review article on the family of William Fitz Osbern), based on the donations of brother Arfast to the monastery of St. Pere, that the root of the family was in the Cotetin region of Normandy, but van Houts has suggested that the Cotetin land was granted to Arfast, rather than inherited by him. Thus we are left with the more ambiguous statements of Torigny and others that she was a member of a Norman family of Danish origins.

The only known brother of Gunnor was Arfast/Herfast, of whom we gain what little insight we have from a trial of heretics conducted by Robert II. Arfast testified that he had pretended to join the sect, all the better to denounce them when the time arose. He later donated lands to the monastery of St. Pere, to which he retired. He had at least two sons: Osbern, who was steward to the later Dukes, and was murdered by William de Montgomery while defending the young Duke William; and Ranulf, known from charters. Osbern maried a niece of Richard I (the daughter of his half-brother) and by her was the father of the Conquest baron William Fitz Osbern.

Gunnor had at least three sisters, of which the oldest appears to have been Senfria (Seinfreda), who was wife of the (unnamed) forester from the area of St. Vaast d'Equiqueville, and it was her charms which are said first to have attracted the attentions Duke Richard I. She appears to have had at least one daughter, Joscelina, wife of Hugh de Montgomery. (Torigny makes Joscelina daughter of another sister, Wevia, but a contemporary of Torigny, in demonstrating the genealogical impediment to a marriage of a bastard of Henry I to a Montgomery descendant specifically calls Joscelina's mother Senfria, and the inheritance by the Montgomerys of large holdings suggests that Joscelina was a significant coheir to her parents, which does not match Wevia's family where two sons would be expected to acquire most of the family land.) Hugh de Montgomery and Joscelina had a son Roger, but contrary to Torigny's statements, he was not the Conquest baron of that name, but instead his father. By a wife possibly named Emma, Roger had: Hugh; Roger (who married Mabel of Belleme and played a significant role in pre-Conquest Normandy); William (who murdered cousin Osbern); Robert, and Gilbert.

Duvelina, a second sister of Gunnor, married Turulf de Pont Audemer, son of a Norman founder Torf, and uncle of the first of the Harcourts. They had at least one son, Humphrey de Vielles, who in turn was father of Roger de Beaumont, another Conquest-era baron.

Wevia, the only other sister of Gunnor named by Torigny, married Osbern de Bolbec (who is otherwise unknown to history). They had at least two sons: Walter Giffard, ancestor of the English Giffard/Gifford families, and also, through his daughter, of the Clare family; and Godfrey, whose son William de Arques had two daughters and co-heiresses.

Torigny indicates that Gunnor had numerous nieces, names the descendants of several of them, but the accounts of these families are more difficult to harmonize with other available sources, as has already been seen with niece Joscelina.

One niece is said to have married Nicholas de Bracqueville, and to have had William Martel and Walter de St. Martin. As to Martel, there seems to have been a connection to this family, since Hawise, daughter of Nicholas married Hugh de Wareham, son of a Grippo. Hugh had a brother Geoffrey Martel, but beyond this no recent analysis provides any insight as to the descent of the later Martels. Walter de St. Martin is even more of a problem, since elsewhere Torigny incorrectly makes him brother of William de Warenne, but the ancestry given there is clearly false. Thus it is not clear that Torigny knew the exact connection of Walter, and no evindece to clarify his true origins.

A second niece is said to have married Richard, vicomte of Rouen (who was son of Tesselin). He had a son Lambert of St. Saens, whose son Helias married a bastard daughter of Robert II of Normandy. (If the connection here given is correct, then these two were withing the prohibited degree, which may throw doubt on the relationship, or simply suggest that the relationship did not come to light at the time.) Based on later interactions between Montgomery and Warenne (thought to be related to this branch) it has been speculated that this niece was sister of Joscelina, which is possible but unsupported.

It appears to be through this family that the relationship of two more Norman barons come into play, but not exactly as Torigny presents it. He shows yet another niece marrying Ranulph de Warenne, and by him having William de Warenne and Roger de Mortimer. This is clearly untrue, because Roger appears to have been a generation older than William. The solution appears to be that Torigny (as he had done with the Montgomerys) compressed into one individual a father and son of the same name. Ranulph de Warenne (I) appears to have married Beatrice, sister of Richard, vicomte of Rouen, and thus sister-in-law of one of Gunnor's nieces (thus it would appear that this family actually does not descend from a relative of Gunnor's, but is genealogically linked to some of her descendants) and had sons: Roger (de Mortimer) and Ranulph de Warenne (II), who in turn was father of another Ranulf (III) and of William de Warenne.

Finally, Torigny states that a niece married Osmund de Centumvillis, vicote of Vernon, and had a son Fulk de Alnou, and a daughter whose son was Baldwin de Reviers. Much debate has focussed on the attempt to identify these men, but in the latter case, clearly a connection to the Reviers/Vernon Earls of Devon is intended. The precise nature of the relationship is more difficult to pin down. It would seem that the first Earl Richard de Reviers was son of a Baldwin, who had brothers Richard de Vernon (app. d.s.p.) and William Fitz Hugh de Vernon (perhaps a half-brother, who by wife Emma had a son Hugh, often confused with a Hugh, brother of Earl Richard. It is this error that has led to the statement that Emma was the relative of Gunnor, which derives from a set of relationships hypothesized in CP (under Devon) and predicated on her being mother of Hugh, brother of Earl Richard, an untrue relationship.). If Baldwin, father of Earl Richard, was the same as the grandson of Osmund de Centumvillis this would complete the picture, but one more relationship invites comment. Earl Richard is said by an early source, cited by CP, to be nephew of William Fitz Osbern. This may enable us to place the unnamed wife of Osmund as sister of William Fitz Osbern, and thus a great-niece rather than a niece of Gunnor, although this solution strains chronology.

The work of Robert de Torigny thus provides a valuable source for the genealogical origins of the immediate pre-Conquest Norman aristocracy. When it has been possible to compare the information with other sources, some inconsistancies are found, but it is unclear whether these represent errors of Robert, or inaccuracies in the genealogical traditions he was recording. In most cases, an in-depth study of the available material has enabled modern historians to satisfactorilly reconstruct the descents from Gunnor's family and provide a representation of the true relationships among these early Norman families.

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Noted events in his life were:

• Fact 2: Fact 2. 1973 One source sdays he was Haraldblaafand Of Denmark, King.

Herbastus married Gunnhild OLAFSDOTTIR Princess Of Sweden. Gunnhild was born in 923 in Sweden and died on 13 November 1002 at age 79. Another name for Gunnhild was Gyrid Or Gunhilda.

Herbastus next married Mrs-Herbastus De CREPON 1601 in <, Normandy, France>. Mrs-Herbastus was born about 916 in Of, , Normandy, France and died in Y.

Herbastus next married before 936.1375

Marriage Notes:
Reference Number:37785

Herbastus next married before 970.1375

Marriage Notes:
Reference Number:59933


257420429447. Gunnhild OLAFSDOTTIR Princess Of Sweden,415 daughter of Olaf "Mitkg" Bjornsson King Of SWEDEN and Ingeborg Of Sula THRANDSDOTTIR, was born in 923 in Sweden and died on 13 November 1002 at age 79. Another name for Gunnhild was Gyrid Or Gunhilda.

General Notes:
Dau. of Olaf (Edmundson) Bjornsson and Ingeborg of Sula Thrandsdottir; m. Harald III 'Bluetooth' Gormsson; mother of Thyra, Svend I, and Erik (Hring); m. Herbastus de Crepon and was mother of Weoerta/Wevia. [Gary Lewis <gnl1@ix.netcom.com, 21 dec 2001]

b. 923; dau of Olaf 'Mitkg' Bjornsson, King of Sweden, and Ingeberg Thrandsdottir; m. Herbastus de Crepon, Forester of Arque; mother of Avelina/Duvelina, Gunnora/Gundra, Herfast, and Eva Senfrie. [Larry Overmire <larryover@worldnet.att.net, 2 Apr 2003]

Gunnhild married Herbastus Forester Of ARQUE 1601,1973.,2045 Herbastus was born about 911 in Arque, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France,1973 died after 984 1973, and was buried in "Of The Noblest House Of The Danes.".1973 Another name for Herbastus was Herbastus "Not" De CREPON.

257420429456. Fulk (Fulcuin) Seigneur De CORBONAIS 415,1120 was born about 912 in Creil, Oise, Picardy, France and died after 950 in Mortagne-Au-Perche, Orne, Normandy, France. Another name for Fulk was Fulk De CREIL.

General Notes: The area known as "Carbon" or, I believe, Turton names Corbonais later became known as "Montagne" or Mortagne. Mortagne-au-Perche is within spitting distance of both Alencon and Belleme, both of which became seats of power for this family. There was a separate family (also having a Fulk) who were counts of Carbon and Mortagne. I don't believe that they were related.

Fulk married Rolais.1120 Rolais was born about 915 in France and died after 961.

The child from this marriage was:

128710214728       i.  Yves Seigneur De Creil & BELLEME (born about 940 in Creil, Oise, Picardy, France - died in 997 in Belleme, Sarthe, Maine/Pays DE Le Loire, France)


257420429457. Rolais 415,1120 was born about 915 in France and died after 961.

Rolais married Fulk (Fulcuin) Seigneur De CORBONAIS.1120 Fulk was born about 912 in Creil, Oise, Picardy, France and died after 950 in Mortagne-Au-Perche, Orne, Normandy, France. Another name for Fulk was Fulk De CREIL.

257420429458. Guillaume I Comte De PONTHIEU,415,1120 son of Roger (Rotgaire) Comte De PONTHIEU and Unknown, was born about 914 in Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France and died in 965 1120 about age 51.

Guillaume married Maude De St. Pol Sur Mer De THEROUANNE, daughter of Adaloff (Adalulf) Comte De BOULOGNE and Mahaut De CREQUY. Maude was born about 918 in Therouanne, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Hildouin Comte De PONTHIEU was born about 940 in Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France and died about 981 1120 about age 41.

128710214729      ii.  Godchilde De PONTHIEU (born about 944 in Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France)


257420429459. Maude De St. Pol Sur Mer De THEROUANNE,415 daughter of Adaloff (Adalulf) Comte De BOULOGNE and Mahaut De CREQUY, was born about 918 in Therouanne, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France.

Maude married Guillaume I Comte De PONTHIEU,1120 son of Roger (Rotgaire) Comte De PONTHIEU and Unknown. Guillaume was born about 914 in Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France and died in 965 1120 about age 51.

257420429464. Robert Buzancais De BEAUMONT Seigneur De Tour 415 was born about 905 in Buzancais, Indre, Tourainne/Centre, France and died in Tours, Indre-Et-Loire, Touraine/Centre, France. Another name for Robert was Robert De BUZANCAIS Seigneur De Tour.

Robert married.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Robert II Seigneur De BUZANCAIS & La Tours was born about 933 in Buzancais, Indre, Tourainne/Centre, France and died in Tours, Indre-Et-Loire, Touraine/Centre, France.

128710214732      ii.  Raoul I De BEAUMONT Vicomte Du Mans (born about 935 in Le Mans, Sarthe, Maine/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France)


257420429472. Hildouin Comte De PONTHIEU,415,1120 son of Guillaume I Comte De PONTHIEU and Maude De St. Pol Sur Mer De THEROUANNE, was born about 940 in Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France and died about 981 1120 about age 41.

Hildouin married Hersende De MONTREUIL. Hersende was born about 946 in Montreuil, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France.

Children from this marriage were:

128710214736       i.  Lord Of Abbeville Hugues I Comte De PONTHIEU (born about 965 in Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France - died on 4 July 1000 in Abbeville, Somme, Picardy, France)

                  ii.  Hildouin (Gilduin) Comte De BRETEUIL was born in 970 in Breteuil, Eure, Normandy, France, died on 18 May 1060 2889 at age 90, and was buried in St Vannes Monastery, Verdun, Meuse, Lorraine, France.


257420429473. Hersende De MONTREUIL 415 was born about 946 in Montreuil, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France.

Hersende married Hildouin Comte De PONTHIEU,1120 son of Guillaume I Comte De PONTHIEU and Maude De St. Pol Sur Mer De THEROUANNE. Hildouin was born about 940 in Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France and died about 981 1120 about age 41.

257420429474. Hugues "Capet" King Of FRANCE,415,1601,1746,2048,2674,2675 son of Count Of Paris Hugh Magnus Capet Of Neustria, Duke Of The FRANKS Count Of Paris and Princess Of The Germans Hedwige Of SAXONY, was born from about January 940 to 41 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France,2047 died on 14 October 996 in Les Juifs, Chartres, France 1524,2048 about age 56, and was buried in St Denis Abbey, Ile-DE-France, France. Another name for Hugues was Hugh CAPET King Of France.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, Abt 938. 2048

• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, After 939. 2676

• Ruled: 987-996.

Hugues married Adélaïde Princess Of AQUITAINE 1601,2675,2677 in July 968.2047 Adélaïde was born in 945 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France 1447,2047,2678 and died about 1004 1524,2047 about age 59. Other names for Adélaïde were Adela, Adèle, Adélaïde, Princess D' AQUITAINE, and Alisa Af POITOU.

Hugues next married Miss De NORMANDY,2680 daughter of William I "Longsword" Duke Of NORMANDY and Sprota (Sporta) De SENLIS. Miss was born about 935 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.

Hugues next married Mrs-Hugh CAPET Concubine Of France.1601 Mrs-Hugh was born in <Paris, Seine, France> and died in Y.

257420429475. Adélaïde Princess Of AQUITAINE,415,1444,1601,1746,2675,2677 daughter of Count Of Poitiers Guillaume III (I) Duke Of AQUITAINE and Countess Of Poitiers Adèle (Gerloc) Of NORMANDY, was born in 945 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France 1447,2047,2678 and died about 1004 1524,2047 about age 59. Other names for Adélaïde were Adela, Adèle, Adélaïde, Princess D' AQUITAINE, and Alisa Af POITOU.

General Notes:
Also known as Adèle, she was married to Hugues Capet, and reigned jointly with him, and after his death 996 she also seems to have played a political role during the beginning of the reign of her son, Robert II. She was daughter of Guillaume II and Adèle de Normandie, and lived (ca. 945-1004/06). 1741

Adélaïde married Hugues "Capet" King Of FRANCE 1601,2048,2674,2675 in July 968.2047 Hugues was born from about January 940 to 41 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France,2047 died on 14 October 996 in Les Juifs, Chartres, France 1524,2048 about age 56, and was buried in St Denis Abbey, Ile-DE-France, France. Another name for Hugues was Hugh CAPET King Of France.

257420429504. Count Of Paris Hugh Magnus Capet Of Neustria, Duke Of The FRANKS Count Of Paris,415,1444,1524,1601,1746,2037,2038,2039,2040 son of Count Of Paris Robert I King Of FRANCE and Queen Of France Béatrice De VERMANDOIS, was born about 895 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France,2041,2042 died on 16 June 956 in Deurdan, France 1436,1447,1524,2039,2043 about age 61, and was buried in St Denis Abbey, Ile-DE-France, France. Other names for Hugh were Magnus=The Great, Hugh Le Grand, Duke Of FRANCE, Hugues Le Grand Robertien, Duc Des FRANCS, Hugh Le GRAND Count Of Paris Duke Of France, Hugh Magnus Capet, Duke Of NUESTRIA, Hugh Magnus, Count Of PARIS, and Hugo I Den STORE.

General Notes:
French duke; son of King Robert I and father of Hugh Capet. Excluded from the succession on his father’s death by his brother-in-law Raoul, he supported the candidacy of Louis IV, the Carolingian heir, after Raoul’s death (936). Hugh hoped to rule through this weak king who had been raised in England. Louis IV attempted to increase his strength, however, and his reign was marked by warfare between king and vassal, in which Hugh, excommunicated (948) at the insistence of Louis, was forced to submit (950). Although Hugh never held the title of king, his vast possessions made him the virtual ruler of France.

Hugh married Princess Of The Germans Hedwige Of SAXONY 1524,1601,2044 before 14 September 938 in Mainz Oder, Ingelheim, Rheinland, Germany 2041.,2042 Hedwige was born in 910 in Saxony, Germany, died on 10 May 965 in Aachen, Rheinland, Prussia 1447,2041 at age 55, and was buried on 10 May 965. Other names for Hedwige were Hedwige, Hartwige, Princess Of The GERMANS, and Hedwig Af SACHSEN.

Hugh next married Concubine Raingarde FRANCE 1601 in Unmd. Raingarde was born in 902 and died on 23 August 994 in Toucy Castle, Auxerre, , France at age 92.

Hugh next married Richelde 1601 in <Paris, Seine, France>. Richelde was born in <Paris, Seine, France> and died in Y.

Hugh next married Judith 1601 before 13 September 910 in , , , France. Judith was born in <Paris, Seine, France> and died in Y.

Hugh next married Edhilda, Princess Of ENGLAND,1601 daughter of Edward "The Elder" West Saxon King Of ENGLAND and Aelflaed (Aelfflaed) Of WILTSHIRE, between 926 and 927.1436 Edhilda, was born on 26 January 946 in Of, , Wessex, England 1436 and died on 14 September 937 in , , , France at age -8.

257420429505. Princess Of The Germans Hedwige Of SAXONY,415,505,1444,1524,1601,1746,2044 daughter of Duke Of Saxony Heinrich I "The Fowler" King Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE and Queen Of The Germans Matilda, Countess Of RINGELHEIM, was born in 910 in Saxony, Germany, died on 10 May 965 in Aachen, Rheinland, Prussia 1447,2041 at age 55, and was buried on 10 May 965. Other names for Hedwige were Hedwige, Hartwige, Princess Of The GERMANS, and Hedwig Af SACHSEN.

Hedwige married Count Of Paris Hugh Magnus Capet Of Neustria, Duke Of The FRANKS Count Of Paris 1524,1601,2039,2040 before 14 September 938 in Mainz Oder, Ingelheim, Rheinland, Germany 2041.,2042 Hugh was born about 895 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France,2041,2042 died on 16 June 956 in Deurdan, France 1436,1447,1524,2039,2043 about age 61, and was buried in St Denis Abbey, Ile-DE-France, France. Other names for Hugh were Magnus=The Great, Hugh Le Grand, Duke Of FRANCE, Hugues Le Grand Robertien, Duc Des FRANCS, Hugh Le GRAND Count Of Paris Duke Of France, Hugh Magnus Capet, Duke Of NUESTRIA, Hugh Magnus, Count Of PARIS, and Hugo I Den STORE.

257420429506. Count Of Poitiers Guillaume III (I) Duke Of AQUITAINE,415,1444,1601,1746,2890 son of Duke Of Aquitaine Ebles Mancer Count Of POITOU and Emliane Aelgiva Princess Of ENGLAND, was born about 929 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France 2891 and died on 3 April 963 1436,2891,2892 about age 34. Other names for Guillaume were William III,1436 William I Of Poitou III Duke Of AQUITAINE, Wilhelm III Den EGENSINDIGE, and William I Of POITOU.

General Notes:
This is was happened to the first two Williams of Aquitaine, which is why we start with III:

William I "the Pious" Duke d'Aquitaine was married to Engelberge of Provence. He was son of Bernard, son of William of Gellone. He dsp. and was succeeded by his nephew, William II "the Younger" Duke of Aquitaine 918-26. Neither of these two first William Dukes of Aquitaine had any children.

Guillaume married Countess Of Poitiers Adèle (Gerloc) Of NORMANDY 1601,2778 about 948 in France 1436,2778.,2892 Adèle was born in 897 in Of, , Normandie, Neustria and died after 14 October 962 in France 2891,2892. Other names for Adèle were Gerloc De NORMANDIE, Gerlaug Af NORMANDIET, and Gerlotte Of NORMANDY.

Children from this marriage were:

128710235424       i.  William II Count Of POITOU Iv Duke D'aquitaine (born in 937 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France - died on 3 February 994-995 in Aquitaine, France)

128710214753      ii.  Adélaïde Princess Of AQUITAINE (born in 945 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France - died about 1004)

                 iii.  N. N. D' AQUITAINE was born about 950 and died after 972.


257420429507. Countess Of Poitiers Adèle (Gerloc) Of NORMANDY,415,1444,1601,1746,2778 daughter of Rollo Rognvaldsson 1St Duke Of NORMANDY and Papia FALAISE Duchess Of Normandy, was born in 897 in Of, , Normandie, Neustria and died after 14 October 962 in France 2891,2892. Other names for Adèle were Gerloc De NORMANDIE, Gerlaug Af NORMANDIET, and Gerlotte Of NORMANDY.

Adèle married Count Of Poitiers Guillaume III (I) Duke Of AQUITAINE 1601,2890 about 948 in France 1436,2778.,2892 Guillaume was born about 929 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France 2891 and died on 3 April 963 1436,2891,2892 about age 34. Other names for Guillaume were William III,1436 William I Of Poitou III Duke Of AQUITAINE, Wilhelm III Den EGENSINDIGE, and William I Of POITOU.

257420429508. Boso II Count Of Avignon & ARLES,415,2893 son of Rotbald I D'angelica Count Of ARLES and Miss De AQUITAINE, was born about 919 in Autun, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France and died between 965 and 967 in Avignon, Vaucluse, Provence, France 2893 about age 46. Another name for Boso was Boson Comte De PROVENCE.

Boso married Constance De PROVENCE,2894 daughter of Charles Constantine Count De VIENNE and Teutberge De TROYES, about 930.2894 Constance was born about 920 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France and died about 963 2894 about age 43.

Children from this marriage were:

128710214754       i.  William II Count Of Arles & PROVENCE (born in 950 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France - died in 994 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France)

                  ii.  Rotbaud II Venaissin Count Of PROVENCE was born about 951 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France and died in 1008 in Carpentras, Vaucluse, Provence, France 2151 about age 57.


257420429509. Constance De PROVENCE,415,2894 daughter of Charles Constantine Count De VIENNE and Teutberge De TROYES, was born about 920 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France and died about 963 2894 about age 43.

Constance married Boso II Count Of Avignon & ARLES,2893 son of Rotbald I D'angelica Count Of ARLES and Miss De AQUITAINE, about 930.2894 Boso was born about 919 in Autun, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France and died between 965 and 967 in Avignon, Vaucluse, Provence, France 2893 about age 46. Another name for Boso was Boson Comte De PROVENCE.

257420429510. Foulques II "Le Bon" Comte D' ANJOU Count Of Anjou,415,1601,1746,2895 son of Foulques I "Le Roux" Comte D' ANJOU and Countess Of Anjou Rosalie (Roscille) De LOCHES, was born about 909 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died on 11 November 958 in Tours, Indre-Et-Loire, Touraine/Centre, France 2896 about age 49. Another name for Foulques was Fulk II Count D'ANJOU.

General Notes: The following was given in a post-em by Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann@yahoo.com:

ID: I00387 Foulques II "Le Bon" Comte d' Anjou
(son) Foulques Seigneur de Briole b: ABT 941 in Anjou/Pays-de-la-Loire, France

In addition to Weis AR7, other sources for this individual are:
ES III:116
ES XIV:116
Leo van de Pas’ Genealogics: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020237&tree=LEO
Miroslav Marek (Genealogy.eu) = ES sourced
Moriarty Plantagenet p4
Paget p139
Paul Theroff database
Roglo database
Tapsell p203]
Tompsett (Hull database)
Turton p6, 180 etc,
Watney #9

I have been following with interest your Beauvau > Briole line. I cannot confirm nor debunk the line up to Foulque II "le Bon", 3rd Comte de Anjou & Gerberge de Gâtinais, but at that point there is a problem. I’m afraid no son of this couple named Foulques Seigneur de Briole is given in any of these sources. I found the connection on several websites but they are all unsourced. Sebastian Tuszynski 25 Jul 2000 msg to SGM, Subject: "A few French question", asked about this filiation (& numerous others). Unfortunately the only response did not address this particular question. Note when researching this on the net, apparently Briolé is Briollay at many websites & on WorldConnect.

This filiation, without any reliable source to confirm it, appears to be an invention. I would love to hear from anyone reading this post-em who is willing provide any sourced info pro or con.

Jim, as an active member, perhaps another query to SGM will get a response this time.

A little (not much) more on Foulque/Fulk:

Fulk II, Comte d'Anjou [Ref: Turton p6]
Count of Anjou [Ref: Weis AR7 118:20, Weis MC5 53:21]
941-958: Count of Anjou [Ref: Tapsell p203]
940-962 (or 942-960): 3rd Count of Anjou, [Ref: McBride: Vol I File 9: The Paternal Ancestry of Homer Beers James]

..and under his successor, Fulk II the Good, the destruction caused by the preceding wars was repaired. [Ref: Ency Britannica]

According to legend, he was learned and saintly, dressed as a cleric and said of Louis IV, King of France, who had mocked his piety, 'an illiterate king is a crowned ass'. [Ref: Leo van de Pas’ Genealogics citing: Paget] Note: "a man of wit, but perhaps lacking in tact - Louis IV was not the fool his father, Charles III "the Simple", has been profiled to have been" Curt

Alas, I no longer have access to a terrific source which may/may not have more to say about Foulques II: "Fragmentum historieae Andegavensis" (Fragments of a History of the Counts of Anjou) From 'Chroniques des comtes d'Anjou et des seigneurs d'Amboise' by Count Fulk le Rechin 1096 (Louis Kalpen and Rene Poupardin), 1913, Paris. Should you find access to the UCLA library which probably has it, you will find this source that may have more to say about Foulques II. If memory serves me right Fulk "le Rechin" wrote many things modern scholars dispute, but he was at least contemporary, though obviously, he may have embellished a thing or two about his ancestry.

Regards,
Curt

Foulques married Countess Of Anjou Gerberga De GATINAIS 1601,2730 on 2 March 936-937 in 1st Wife.2563 Gerberga was born in 915 in Gatinais, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France 2563 and died in 952 2563 at age 37.

Children from this marriage were:

128710214882       i.  Geoffrey I Grisegnelle Comte D' ANJOU (born on 11 November 938 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France - died on 21 July 987 in (Slain In Battle))

                  ii.  Bishop Of Puy Guy D' ANJOU was born about 932 in Of, , Anjou, France.

                 iii.  Bouchard I De VENDOME was born about 939 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died in 992 in Vendome, Loir-Et-Cher, Orleanais/Centre, France about age 53.

                  iv.  Agnes D' ANJOU was born about 940 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died after 987.

                   v.  Drogon PUY was born about 934 in Of, , Anjou, France and died about 934.

                  vi.  Foulques Seigneur De BRIOLE was born about 941 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died in 996 in Briole, Mayenne, Maine/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France about age 55.

                 vii.  Aelips De ANJOU was born about 936 in Of, , Anjou, France.

128710214755    viii.  Countess Of Toulouse Adelaide (Blanche\Adele) D' ANJOU [Countess Of Gevaf (born about 945 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France - died in 1026 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France)

                  ix.  "The Old" Bouchard IV Count Of VENDOME was born about 943 in Vendome, Anjou, France and died in 1012 about age 69.

Foulques next married Judith 2831 after 952 in 2ND Husband 2ND Wife. Judith was born about 920 in France.


257420429511. Countess Of Anjou Gerberga De GATINAIS,415,1601,1746,2730 daughter of Geoffrey Count Of GATINAIS and Ava Of ARVERNE, was born in 915 in Gatinais, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France 2563 and died in 952 2563 at age 37.

General Notes:
Turton has Gerberge as "d' Arles", daughter (with a ?) of Rotbold II Comte d'Arles, while AR has Gerberga (de Gatinais?). Neither source seems sure. Others say Gerberga du Maine, de Vienne, or de Tours. @@check ancestry

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The following post to soc.genealogy.medieval on 1 Jun 1998 by Ken Finton indicates that the only agreement seems to be to her first name (Professor Bachrach, a historian, proposed the existence of Gerberga, daughter of Ratburnus of Vienne, who married Fulk II, on purely political/historical grounds, even though there was no other indication that Ratburnus had a daughter named Gerberga.):

This is directed at Professor Bachrach:

There seems to be a lot of disagreement as to the father of Gerberga, wife of Fulk II. It has been called to my attention that you favor her identification as:

Gerberga of Vienne, d/o Ratburnus. ["Prosopographical Method", _Medieval Prosopography 7_ , no. 2 (1986), 1-23. In his "Fulk Nerra" Bachrach says firmly that she is Gerberga of Vienne, da. of the "mere" (as he puts it, as part of his argument on the political import of the marriage) viscount of Vienne, Viscount Ratburnus I (p. 7 - and see his geneal of this house, chart 14)."]

ES III:116 says this Fulk m. (1) Gerberga, dau. of Herve, Ct of Maine and (2) the widow of Alain, Duke of Brittany. Turton (chart 6) has her as Gerberga d'Arles, da. of Rotbold II, comte d'Arles. Also, Her father may have been Theobald de Tours.), source Royalty for Commoners, by Roderick W. Stuart, p. 125.

If she is of Vienne, how can this be backed up? To complicate matters, I see that Christian Thevenot, "Foulque III Nerra, Comte d'Anjou" (1987) endorses Gerberga as Gerberge du Maine, da. of Hervé, Sgr du Maine, as the ES Chart shows.

Kenneth Harper Finton
Editor/ Publisher
THE PLANTAGENET CONNECTION

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I have adopted the ancestry for Gerberga, presented on soc.genealogy.medieval by Alan B. Wilson, based on work by Settipani, which is still speculative.

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The following was given in a post-em by Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann@yahoo.com:

ID: I00388 Gerberga de Gatinais

born: 915 [Ref: Keats-Rohan Family Trees (Settipani Anjou) p211-267]

married: 937 [Ref: Bachrach-Angevin p274, Bachrach-Fulk Nera p262, ES II:187, ES III:166, ES VIV:116, p24, Genealogiques Capetiens 8, Glocker p299, Keats-Rohan Family Trees (Settipani Anjou) p211-267, Michael Call 401:24, Moriarty Plantagenet p4, Royalty for commoners 167:36, Turton p6, Weis AR7 53:21 & 118:20, Winkhaus 'Anjou' 21], names: [Ref: Moriarty p4, Paget p139, Watney #9, Weis AR7 118:20]

died: before 952 [Ref: ES III:116, ES XIV:116, Keats-Rohan Family Trees (Settipani Anjou) p211-267, Moriarty Plantagenet p4]

Some of the sources of the debate about her ancestry are below:

Gergerba de France, dau. of Hugues, le Grand, duc de France and Hedwige de Germanie as wife of Foulques II and mother of Geoffroy Grisegonelle. [Ref: “Les seize quartiers genealogiques des Capetiens”, J.D. de Joannis & R. de Saint-Jouan, Lyon: Sauvegarde Historique, 1958]

Gerberge "d' Arles", dau(?) of Rotbold II Comte d'Arles [Ref: Turton p6]

father: Herve Count of Maine [Ref: ES III:116, Royalty for Commoners 167:36] note: RFC contradicts itself=see below.

father: Geoffrey Count of Gâtinais [Ref: ES XIV:116] Note: does not specify that it is a correction of ES III:116=see above.

Gerberga of the Gatinais(?) [Ref: Weis AR7 118:20]

Gerberga de Gâtinais dau of Gausfred de Gâtinais [Ref: Olivier Auffray 28 Jul 2000 msg to SGM]

Gerberge du Maine, dau of Hervé, Seigneur du Maine [Ref: "Foulque III Nerra, Comte d'Anjou", Christian Thevenot, 1987]

parents: Hervé, Comte de Maine (no further ancestry); mother: Godehilde de Maine dau of Roricon III, Comte de Maine & Godehilde (no further ancestry) [Ref: Genealogics citing: Paget, Saillot at: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020238&tree=LEO] Note: I show Paget says something else=see below.

father:Theobald de Tours [Ref: Paget p139, Royalty for Commoners p125]

father: Geoffrey I, Vicomte of Orleans. Witness Charter of Hugh Magnus, Duke of France 939, 933-942, and sister of Aubrey, Vicomte of Orleans, whose son was Geoffrey, Count of Gatinais, whose son was Aubrey, Count of Gatinais, whose son was Geoffrey, Count of Gatinais, who married Beatrice of Macon. [Ref: McBride2: Vol I File 9: The Paternal Ancestry of Homer Beers James]

Below is a 31 May 1998 exchange on SGM between <Mardi Carter> & Christopher Nash:
<ES XIV:116 gives the accepted view that he m Gerberga, dau. of Geoffrey of Gatinais.>
You might want to look at Bernard S Bachrach's extensive "Some Observations on the Origins of Countess Gerberga of the Angevins: An Essay in the Application of the Tellenbach-Werner Prosopographical Method", _Medieval Prosopography 7_ , no. 2 (1986), 1-23. In his _Fulk Nerra_ Bachrach says firmly that she is Gerberga of Vienne, da. of the "mere" (as he puts it, as part of his argument on the political import of the marriage) viscount of Vienne, Viscount Ratburnus I (p. 7 - and see his geneal of this house, chart 14).

<she was dau. of Geoffrey I, Ct of Gatinais>
This would presumably (by Bachrach's reckoning, _Fulk Nerra_, charts 2 & 4) make her the sister-in-law of the _great-granddaughter_ of her husband Fulk 'le Bon'. Viz.: Hermengarde-Blanche d'Anjou, (via Hermengarde-Blanche's m. to Geoffrey II, comte du Gatinais). Are you ok about that? (I haven't checked this further for chronol. -- or other kinds of -- coherence, and I haven't studied Bachrach's argument on Gerberga's ancestry.)

Ava, a sister of Wm. the Pious, m. 'Geoffroi, c of Nevers/Gatinais'. Their daughter, Gerberge, was first wife of Fulk II, 'le bon' (d. 958), count of Anjou, and mother of his children, from 2 of whom can be traced a large progeny. Unusual hypothesis--contradicts conventional wisdom on first wife of Fulk le Bon, and I can't find any other information on this Geoffrey (not in Bouchard's _Sword, Mitre & Cloister_). This was put forward in C. Lauranson-Rosaz, _L'Auvergne et ses marges du VIIIe au XIe siecle: la fin du monde antique?_ (Le Puy, 1987), in charts at pp. 60, 93, as a possibility but with no discussion in the text. What is the origin of and best argument for this idea? [Ref: Nat Taylor 23 May 1997]

ES xiv, 116 shows Gerberga, d. 952, who m. 937 Foulques II "le Bon," Count of Anjou, as daughter of Geoffroy, Count of Gatinais (son of Aubray, Viscount of Orleans). It does not mention any wife of Geoffroy.

When I inquired about the parentage of Gerberga on 26 Oct 1996, contrasting ES xiv, 116, with what was postulated by Bachrach, "ic" (Oxford) commented that ES was right and called attention to a review of Bachrach in the "English Historical Review", June 1996, pp. 668-9. The review was by K. S. B. Keats-Rohan. It promised a forthcoming study of the counts of Gatinais. I haven't followed up to see if it has yet been published. Where does the information on Ava, sister of William "the Pious," come from? [Ref: Alan B. Wilson 25 May 1997]

(Response): C. Lauranson-Rosaz, _L'Auvergne et ses marges du VIIIe au XIe siecle: la fin du monde antique?_ (Le Puy, 1987), in charts at pp. 60, 93, puts it forward as a possibility, but with no discussion in his text… [Ref: Nat Taylor 26 May 1997

Gerberge has been much discussed, but clearly Christian Settipani is correct in arguing that her father was Geoffrey of Gatinais. [Ref: TAF 4 Dec 1998]

Regards,
Curt

Gerberga married Foulques II "Le Bon" Comte D' ANJOU Count Of Anjou 1601,2895 from 2 March 936 to 937 in 1st Wife.2563 Foulques was born about 909 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died on 11 November 958 in Tours, Indre-Et-Loire, Touraine/Centre, France 2896 about age 49. Another name for Foulques was Fulk II Count D'ANJOU.

257420429512. Geoffrey I Seigneur De SEMUR, son of Arlebaud I Seigneur De SEMUR and Unknown, was born about 936 in Semur-En-Brionnais, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France.

Geoffrey married.

The child from this marriage was:

128710214756       i.  Geoffrey II Seigneur De SEMUR (born about 961 in Semur-En-Brionnais, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France - died in 1018)


257420429514. Lambert D' AUTUN Count Of Chalon,415,1601,1746,2693,2734 son of Robert Vicomte D' AUTUN and Ingeltrude, was born in 924 in Autun, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France and died from 22 February 978 to 979 in Chalon-Sur-Saone, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France 2734 at age 54. Another name for Lambert was Lambert De CHALON.

General Notes: I at one time had Lambert's wife as Adelaide de Vermandois, wife of Geoffrey Grisognell Comte d'Anjou, but have changed Lamber's wife to Adelaide of Burgundy. There is some doubt as to the identity of the various Adelaides married to either Geoffrey or Lambert.

Lambert married Countess Adelaide Of BURGUNDY 1601,2716,2897,2898 after 968 in 2ND Husband. Adelaide was born about 928 in Auxerre, Yonne, Bourgogne, France and died after 19 August 967 2899. Another name for Adelaide was Adelaide De CHALON.

Children from this marriage were:

128710214757       i.  Maud (Matilda\Mahaut) De CHALON (born about 969 in Chalon-Sur-Saone, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France - died between 1016 and 1019)

                  ii.  Elizabeth De CHALON was born about 970 in Chalon-Sur-Saone, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France.

Lambert next married Countess Anjou Adelaide De VERMANDOIS,1601,2730,2731,2732 daughter of Count Robert I Comte De Meaux & TROYES and Countess Adelaide Of BURGUNDY, about 948 in , , , France. Adelaide was born in 934 in Meaux, Seine-Et-Marne, Ile-DE-France, France and died on 8 April 976 2730 at age 42. Other names for Adelaide were Adelaide Comtessa De CHALONS, and2733 Adelaide De TROYES.

Noted events in her life were:

• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, Abt 950. 2730,2731 Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, Abt 975. 2731

257420429515. Countess Adelaide Of BURGUNDY,415,1601,1746,2716,2897,2898 daughter of Duke Giselbert Count Of Chalons & BURGUNDY and Ermengarde De BURGUNDY, was born about 928 in Auxerre, Yonne, Bourgogne, France and died after 19 August 967 2899. Another name for Adelaide was Adelaide De CHALON.

Noted events in her life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, Abt 959. 2898

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 987.

Adelaide married Count Robert I Comte De Meaux & TROYES 1601,2897 before 944 in 1st Husband.2900 Robert was born about 920 in Meaux, Seine-Et-Marne, Ile-DE-France, France 2901 and died on 29 August 968 in Troyes, Aube, Champagne, France 2547,2901,2902 about age 48. Other names for Robert were Robert, Count Of CHAMPAIGNE, Robert I Comte De MEAUX & Troyes, Robert De Vermandois, Count Of TROYES AND CHALONS, Robert De VERMANDOIS, and2903 Robert De VERMANDOIS Comte De Meaux & Troyes.2899

Children from this marriage were:

128710214883       i.  Countess Anjou Adelaide De VERMANDOIS (born in 934 in Meaux, Seine-Et-Marne, Ile-DE-France, France - died on 8 April 976)

                  ii.  Adelais De TROYES was born about 953 in Troyes, Aube, Champagne, France and died before 979. Another name for Adelais was Adelais De VERMANDOIS.

                 iii.  Archambaud De VERMANDOIS was born in 930 in Vermandois, Normandy, France and died on 29 August 968 at age 38.

                  iv.  Herbert De VERMANDOIS was born in 932 in Vermandois, Normandy, France and died on 23 April 994 at age 62.

Adelaide next married Lambert D' AUTUN Count Of Chalon,1601,2693,2734 son of Robert Vicomte D' AUTUN and Ingeltrude, after 968 in 2ND Husband. Lambert was born in 924 in Autun, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France and died from 22 February 978 to 979 in Chalon-Sur-Saone, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France 2734 at age 54. Another name for Lambert was Lambert De CHALON.

257420429516. Count Of Paris Hugh Magnus Capet Of Neustria, Duke Of The FRANKS Count Of Paris,415,1444,1524,1601,1746,2037,2038,2039,2040 son of Count Of Paris Robert I King Of FRANCE and Queen Of France Béatrice De VERMANDOIS, was born about 895 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France,2041,2042 died on 16 June 956 in Deurdan, France 1436,1447,1524,2039,2043 about age 61, and was buried in St Denis Abbey, Ile-DE-France, France. Other names for Hugh were Magnus=The Great, Hugh Le Grand, Duke Of FRANCE, Hugues Le Grand Robertien, Duc Des FRANCS, Hugh Le GRAND Count Of Paris Duke Of France, Hugh Magnus Capet, Duke Of NUESTRIA, Hugh Magnus, Count Of PARIS, and Hugo I Den STORE.

General Notes:
French duke; son of King Robert I and father of Hugh Capet. Excluded from the succession on his father’s death by his brother-in-law Raoul, he supported the candidacy of Louis IV, the Carolingian heir, after Raoul’s death (936). Hugh hoped to rule through this weak king who had been raised in England. Louis IV attempted to increase his strength, however, and his reign was marked by warfare between king and vassal, in which Hugh, excommunicated (948) at the insistence of Louis, was forced to submit (950). Although Hugh never held the title of king, his vast possessions made him the virtual ruler of France.

Hugh married Princess Of The Germans Hedwige Of SAXONY 1524,1601,2044 before 14 September 938 in Mainz Oder, Ingelheim, Rheinland, Germany 2041.,2042 Hedwige was born in 910 in Saxony, Germany, died on 10 May 965 in Aachen, Rheinland, Prussia 1447,2041 at age 55, and was buried on 10 May 965. Other names for Hedwige were Hedwige, Hartwige, Princess Of The GERMANS, and Hedwig Af SACHSEN.

Hugh next married Concubine Raingarde FRANCE 1601 in Unmd. Raingarde was born in 902 and died on 23 August 994 in Toucy Castle, Auxerre, , France at age 92.

Hugh next married Richelde 1601 in <Paris, Seine, France>. Richelde was born in <Paris, Seine, France> and died in Y.

Hugh next married Judith 1601 before 13 September 910 in , , , France. Judith was born in <Paris, Seine, France> and died in Y.

Hugh next married Edhilda, Princess Of ENGLAND,1601 daughter of Edward "The Elder" West Saxon King Of ENGLAND and Aelflaed (Aelfflaed) Of WILTSHIRE, between 926 and 927.1436 Edhilda, was born on 26 January 946 in Of, , Wessex, England 1436 and died on 14 September 937 in , , , France at age -8.

257420429517. Princess Of The Germans Hedwige Of SAXONY,415,505,1444,1524,1601,1746,2044 daughter of Duke Of Saxony Heinrich I "The Fowler" King Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE and Queen Of The Germans Matilda, Countess Of RINGELHEIM, was born in 910 in Saxony, Germany, died on 10 May 965 in Aachen, Rheinland, Prussia 1447,2041 at age 55, and was buried on 10 May 965. Other names for Hedwige were Hedwige, Hartwige, Princess Of The GERMANS, and Hedwig Af SACHSEN.

Hedwige married Count Of Paris Hugh Magnus Capet Of Neustria, Duke Of The FRANKS Count Of Paris 1524,1601,2039,2040 before 14 September 938 in Mainz Oder, Ingelheim, Rheinland, Germany 2041.,2042 Hugh was born about 895 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France,2041,2042 died on 16 June 956 in Deurdan, France 1436,1447,1524,2039,2043 about age 61, and was buried in St Denis Abbey, Ile-DE-France, France. Other names for Hugh were Magnus=The Great, Hugh Le Grand, Duke Of FRANCE, Hugues Le Grand Robertien, Duc Des FRANCS, Hugh Le GRAND Count Of Paris Duke Of France, Hugh Magnus Capet, Duke Of NUESTRIA, Hugh Magnus, Count Of PARIS, and Hugo I Den STORE.

257420429518. Letalde (Lietaud) I Count Of MACON,415,1444,2069,2693 son of Alberic I Vicomte De NARBONNE Count Of Macon and Etolane De MACON, was born about 910 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France and died on 17 September 965 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France about age 55.

General Notes:
The following post to SGM, 16 May 1997, by Jim Stevens, indicates some of the debate and confusion among the sources as to the parents of Gerberga. I am sticking with Lietaud and Berta for a while.

From: Jim Stevens (jstevens@IQUEST.NET)
Subject: Parents of Gerberga, wife of Adalbert of Italy
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 1997/05/16

If one accepts Letalde as father, there is little consensus as to Gerberga's mother. Letalde m. (1) Ermengarde of Chalon; (2) Berta, possibly dau. of Garnier\Warinus, Count of Troyes; and (3) Richilde, dau. of Richard of Autun. Winkhaus lists Ermengarde as Gerberga's mother; Moriarty lists Berta; and ES (in vol. iii) lists either Berta or Richilde.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 971. 2069

Letalde married Ermengarde De CHALONS,2693 daughter of Monassas (Manasses) I Count Of CHALONS and Ermengarde Of PROVENCE, in 1st Wife.2693 Ermengarde was born about 910 in Chalons-Sur-Marne, Marne, Champagne, France and died in 931 about age 21. Another name for Ermengarde was Ermengarde De CHALON.

Letalde next married Berta De TROYES,2693 daughter of Garnier (Warinus) I Count De Sens & TROYES and Teutberga De ARLES, after 931 in 2ND Wife.2693 Berta was born about 915 in Troyes, Aube, Champagne, France and died before 948.

The child from this marriage was:

128710214759       i.  Gerberge, Comtesse De MÂCON (born in 944 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France - died on 11 December 991)

Letalde next married Richilde Of BURGUNDY,2069,2693 daughter of Richard I "The Justiciar" Duke Of BURGUNDY and Adelaide Of AUXERRE, in 948 in 3rd Wife 2069.,2693 Richilde was born about 915 in Auxerre, Yonne, Bourgogne, France. Another name for Richilde was Richilde De CHALONS.

The child from this marriage was:

                   i.  Alberic II Count Of MACON & Salins was born about 949 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France and died about 981 in Salins, Seine-Et-Marne, Ile-DE-France, France 2069 about age 32. Other names for Alberic were Auberic Ii, Count De MÂCON AND BURGUNDY, and Aubry II Count Of Macon & SALINS.


257420429519. Berta De TROYES,415,1444,2693 daughter of Garnier (Warinus) I Count De Sens & TROYES and Teutberga De ARLES, was born about 915 in Troyes, Aube, Champagne, France and died before 948.

Berta married Letalde (Lietaud) I Count Of MACON,2069,2693 son of Alberic I Vicomte De NARBONNE Count Of Macon and Etolane De MACON, after 931 in 2ND Wife.2693 Letalde was born about 910 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France and died on 17 September 965 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France about age 55.

257420429520. Sunyer Of Barcelona Count Of Barcelona, son of Guifre (Wilfred) The Hairy Count Of Barcelona and Guinidilda De FLANDERS, was born about. 878 in Urgel, Lerida, Spain and died on 15 October 950 at age 72.

Sunyer married Adelaide De TOULOUSE, daughter of Armengol De TOULOUSE and Adelaide Of TOULOUSE. Adelaide died about November 954.

Children from this marriage were:

128710214760       i.  Borrell II Of Barcelona Count Of Barcelona (died in 992)

                  ii.  Miró Of Barcelona Count Of Barcelona died in 966.


257420429521. Adelaide De TOULOUSE, daughter of Armengol De TOULOUSE and Adelaide Of TOULOUSE, died about November 954.

Adelaide married Sunyer Of Barcelona Count Of Barcelona, son of Guifre (Wilfred) The Hairy Count Of Barcelona and Guinidilda De FLANDERS. Sunyer was born about. 878 in Urgel, Lerida, Spain and died on 15 October 950 at age 72.

257420429522. Duke Raymond III Pons Of TOULOUSE Count Of Toulouse,1601,1746 son of Raymond II Of TOULOUSE Count Of Toulouse and Unknown, was born in 921 in <Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, France> and died in 960 at age 39.

Raymond married Countess Garsinde TOULOUSE 1601 about 946 in Of, , , France. Garsinde was born in 926 in <Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, France>.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Guillaume III TAILLEFER Count Of Toulouse was born about 947 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, France and died in September 1037 about age 90.

128710214761      ii.  Luitgarde De TOULOUSE (died in 977-1001)


257420429523. Countess Garsinde TOULOUSE 1601,1746 was born in 926 in <Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, France>.

Garsinde married Duke Raymond III Pons Of TOULOUSE Count Of Toulouse,1601 son of Raymond II Of TOULOUSE Count Of Toulouse and Unknown, about 946 in Of, , , France. Raymond was born in 921 in <Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, France> and died in 960 at age 39.

257420429524. Arnaud I Count Of COMMINGES & Carcassonne 415,2618,2904 was born about 908 in Comminges, Haute Garonne, Midi Pyrenees, France and died in 957 in Carcassonne, Aude, Languedoc, France about age 49. Another name for Arnaud was Arnaud I Count Of Comminges & CARCASSONNE.

Arnaud married Arsinde Countess Of CARCASSONNE 2618,2904 about 940. Arsinde was born in 902 in Carcassonne, Aude, Languedoc, France and died in 969 at age 67. Another name for Arsinde was Arsinde De ROUERGUE.

Children from this marriage were:

128710214762       i.  Roger I De COMMINGES (born in 935 in Carcassonne, Aude, France - died in 1019)

                  ii.  Adelaide De CARCASSONNE was born about 940 in Carcassonne, Aude, Languedoc, France and died after 977.

                 iii.  Arsenda De COMMINGES was born about 953 in Comminges, Haute Garonne, Midi Pyrenees, France and died before 984.

                  iv.  Eudes (Odon) I Vicomte De RASEZ was born about 950 in Le Razes, Narbonne, Languedoc, France and died in April 1017 2904 about age 67.


257420429525. Arsinde Countess Of CARCASSONNE 415,2618,2904 was born in 902 in Carcassonne, Aude, Languedoc, France and died in 969 at age 67. Another name for Arsinde was Arsinde De ROUERGUE.

General Notes:
While one source has Arsinde as a daughter of a son of Acfred I (possibly Acfred II?), another souces states that she was a daughter of Ermengaud Count of Rouergue.

Arsinde married Arnaud I Count Of COMMINGES & Carcassonne 2618,2904 about 940. Arnaud was born about 908 in Comminges, Haute Garonne, Midi Pyrenees, France and died in 957 in Carcassonne, Aude, Languedoc, France about age 49. Another name for Arnaud was Arnaud I Count Of Comminges & CARCASSONNE.

257420429526. Bernard II Comte De MELGUEIL & Substantion,415,2700 son of Berenger De MELGUEIL and Gisele, was born about 933 in Melgueil Near Montpellier, Herault, Languedoc, France and died in 989 in Substantion Near Montpellier, Herault, Languedoc, France about age 56.

Bernard married Senegunde. Senegunde was born about 937 in France.

Children from this marriage were:

128710214763       i.  Adelaide De MELGUEIL (born about 953 in Melgueil Near Montpellier, Herault, Languedoc, France - died in April 1011)

                  ii.  Mr. De MELGUEIL was born about 961 in Melgueil Near Montpellier, Herault, Languedoc, France and died from 20 February 988 to 989 in (Dvp) about age 27.


257420429527. Senegunde 415 was born about 937 in France.

Senegunde married Bernard II Comte De MELGUEIL & Substantion,2700 son of Berenger De MELGUEIL and Gisele. Bernard was born about 933 in Melgueil Near Montpellier, Herault, Languedoc, France and died in 989 in Substantion Near Montpellier, Herault, Languedoc, France about age 56.

257420429536. Berengarius II King Of ITALY Marquis Of Ivrea,415,1444,1601,1746,2112,2870,2871 son of Adalbert I Margrave Of IVREA and Gisele Of Fruili Princess Of ITALY, was born about 919 in Italy 1436,2872 and died on 6 August 966 in Bamberg 2871,2873 about age 47. Another name for Berengarius was Berengarius II.

Noted events in his life were:

• Ruled: 950-952.

Berengarius married Willa D'arles Of TUSCANY 1601,2112,2874 in 936 in <Luxembourg, Luxembourg, West Europe> 2871.,2873 Willa was born about 915 in Of, , Tuscany, Italy and died after 974 1447. Other names for Willa were Willa III, Willa D' ARLES, and Willa Di TOSCANA.

257420429537. Willa D'arles Of TUSCANY,415,1444,1601,1746,2112,2874 daughter of Boso Of Arles, Margrave Of TUSCANY and Willa Princess Of BURGUNDY, was born about 915 in Of, , Tuscany, Italy and died after 974 1447. Other names for Willa were Willa III, Willa D' ARLES, and Willa Di TOSCANA.

Willa married Berengarius II King Of ITALY Marquis Of Ivrea 1601,2112,2871 in 936 in <Luxembourg, Luxembourg, West Europe> 2871.,2873 Berengarius was born about 919 in Italy 1436,2872 and died on 6 August 966 in Bamberg 2871,2873 about age 47. Another name for Berengarius was Berengarius II.

257420429540. Renaud De Roucy Comte De SOISSONS,415,2905 son of Sibling Of Fulk I De ANJOU and Unknown, was born before 901 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France 2905 and died after 941 in Soissons, Aisne, Picardy, France (Slain In Battle) 2905. Another name for Renaud was Renaud De ROUCY Comte De \Soissons\.

Renaud married.

The child from this marriage was:

128710214770       i.  Renaud I Comte De ROUCY & Rheims (born about 925 in Roucy, Marne, Champagne, France - died on 10 May 967 in Reims, Marne, Champagne, France)


257420429542. Giselbert I Duke Of LORRAINE Lay Abbot Of Echternach,415,1444,1601,1746,1784,2906,2907 son of Régnier I Longicullus, Count Of HAINAULT and Hersent, Princess De FRANCE, was born about 887 in Reims, Lorraine, France 2328 and died on 2 October 939 in Andernach, Rhineland, Prussia 1784,2314,2327,2328,2907 about age 52. Another name for Giselbert was Gilbert.

General Notes:
Giselbert (stated by Abbe Chaume to be son of Hersent), d. 939, Duke of Lorraine; m. Gerberga of Saxony, d. 5 May 984. (She m. (2) 939, Louis IV d'Outre-Mer. [Ancestral Roots line 140-18]

Giselbert married Gerberga Of SAXONY Abbess Of Notre Dame 1601,2906,2907 from 29 January 929 to 930 in 1st Husband 2314.,2324 Gerberga was born about 913 in Nordhausen, Saxony, Prussia,2324 died on 5 May 984 in Andernach, Rhineland, Prussia 2314,2325,2326,2327,2328 about age 71, and was buried in Reims, Champagne, France. Other names for Gerberga were Gerberge Of The GERMANS, Gerberga Of GERMANY, Gerberge Von SACHSEN, and Gerberge Of SAXONY.

Children from this marriage were:

128710214771       i.  Albérade De LORRAINE (born about 930 in Lorraine, France - died on 15 March 972-973)

                  ii.  Henri, Duke Of LORRAINE was born about 932.

                 iii.  Gerberga Of LORRAINE was born about 921 in Lorraine, , France.2908

                  iv.  Gerberga, Princess Of FRANCE was born about 937. Another name for Gerberga, was Gerberga Of LORRAINE.

                   v.  Wiltrude, Duchess Of BAVARIA was born about 937.




257420429543. Gerberga Of SAXONY Abbess Of Notre Dame,415,505,1444,1601,1746,2326,2327,2906,2907,2909 daughter of Duke Of Saxony Heinrich I "The Fowler" King Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE and Queen Of The Germans Matilda, Countess Of RINGELHEIM, was born about 913 in Nordhausen, Saxony, Prussia,2324 died on 5 May 984 in Andernach, Rhineland, Prussia 2314,2325,2326,2327,2328 about age 71, and was buried in Reims, Champagne, France. Other names for Gerberga were Gerberge Of The GERMANS, Gerberga Of GERMANY, Gerberge Von SACHSEN, and Gerberge Of SAXONY.

General Notes:
In 939 her first husband, Duke Giselbert of Lorraine, died and she then married Louis IV of France, who also became ruler of Lorraine though with opposition from Hugo of Francien, who was married to her sister, Hadwig. In 954 her husband died, and she managed to secure the election of her son, Lothar III as king of France, and acted as his regent. The contemporary sources describe her as a highly educated, intelligent and forceful player in the political game of the time. Mother of around 10 children, she lived (913-69). 1741

Gerberga married Giselbert I Duke Of LORRAINE Lay Abbot Of Echternach,1601,1784,2906,2907 son of Régnier I Longicullus, Count Of HAINAULT and Hersent, Princess De FRANCE, from 29 January 929 to 930 in 1st Husband 2314.,2324 Giselbert was born about 887 in Reims, Lorraine, France 2328 and died on 2 October 939 in Andernach, Rhineland, Prussia 1784,2314,2327,2328,2907 about age 52. Another name for Giselbert was Gilbert.

Gerberga next married Louis IV "Transmarinus" King Of FRANCE 1601,2910 on 25 April 940 in 2ND Husband 2324.,2907 Louis was born on 10 September 921 in Laon, Aisne, Picardy, France,2910 died on 10 September 954 in St Remy Abbey, Reims, Marne, France 2321,2910,2911 at age 33, and was buried in St Remy Abbey, Rheims. Other names for Louis were Louis IV The Foreigner, Louis IV Transmarinus, King Of FRANCE, and Ludovic TRANSMARINI.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Lothair Carolingien, King Of FRANCE was born in 941 in Laon, Aisne, Picardy, France 1436,2912 and died from 2 March 985 to 986 1436,2912 at age 44. Another name for Lothair was Lothaire.

                  ii.  Matilda (Maud) Princess Of FRANCE was born about 943 in Laon, Aisne, Picardy, France 2913 and died on 26 November 991 2909,2913 about age 48. Other names for Matilda were Matilda, and Mathilde CAROLINGIEN.

128710220918     iii.  Charles Duke Of Lower LORRAINE (born in 953 in Laon, Aisne, Picardy, France - died on 21 May 994 in Kerker, Orleans, France)

                  iv.  Hildegardin, Princess Of France, Countess Of LUXEMBURG was born in 963.


257420429546. Herbastus Forester Of ARQUE,415,1601,1746,1973,2045 son of Herfast Of ARQUE and Unknown, was born about 911 in Arque, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France,1973 died after 984 1973, and was buried in "Of The Noblest House Of The Danes.".1973 Another name for Herbastus was Herbastus "Not" De CREPON.

General Notes:
Apparently there is no evidence of what the name was of the father of Gunnor, Senfrie, Herfast, and Avelina. Ancestral Roots states he was a forester of Arque. He was not of Crepon, but later genealogists mistakenly thought the family was of Crepon because Herbastus' son, Herfast, received lands in Crepon, probably due to the relationship of his sister with Duke Richard.

I will leave the "de Crepon" name with the family, just as I have the Plantagenet name with that family, although the Plantagenets were not known by that name until Richard, Duke of York in the 1400's. However I will put a "not' in front of everybody but the son, who was "de Crepon".

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The following is a post to SGM, 3 Dec 1996, by Todd Farmerie:

From: Todd A. Farmerie (taf2@po.cwru.edu)
Subject: Robert de Torigny and the family of Gunnor, Duchess of Normandy
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 1996/12/03

There have been many posts requesting information on the various Norman relationships compiled by Robert de Torigny. This is an attempt to summarize and harmonize several recent works on some of the lines:

Elisabeth M C van Houts. Robert of Torigni as Genealogist. in Studies in Medieval History presented to R. Allen Brown, p.215-33.

Kathleen Thompson. The Norman Aristocracy before 1066: the Example of the Montgomerys. in Historical Research 60:251-63.

K S B Keats-Rohan. Aspects of Torigny's Genealogy Revisited. in Nottingham Medieval Studies 37:21-7.

Robert de Torigny, writing after the Norman Conquest, recorded the genealogical traditions which tied many of the Norman nobility to the family of Gunnor, first mistress of Richard I, then Duchess of Normandy. He reported the tradition that Richard had become infatuated with the wife of one of his foresters, but being the pious wife, she substituted her sister Gunnor, much to everyone's satisfaction. He proceded to name the siblings of Gunnor, and also indicated the she had numerous nieces, who are left unnamed, but whose marriages and descendants are provided.

The genealogical information contained in this account has at various times been praised and condemned, but recent opinion seems to favor the view that, while minor errors abound, the genealogies accurately represent a tradition of shared descent that may account for the rapid rise of these nobles.

The parentage of Gunnor and her siblings is unknown. While some sources call her father Herfastus, this was in fact the name of her brother. She has also been claimed as daughter of the Danish royal family, but there is no evidence for this, and the context of her coming to the attention of Richard I and the family's subsequent rise to power militates against her being a royal daughter. Douglas argued (in a 1944 English Historical Review article on the family of William Fitz Osbern), based on the donations of brother Arfast to the monastery of St. Pere, that the root of the family was in the Cotetin region of Normandy, but van Houts has suggested that the Cotetin land was granted to Arfast, rather than inherited by him. Thus we are left with the more ambiguous statements of Torigny and others that she was a member of a Norman family of Danish origins.

The only known brother of Gunnor was Arfast/Herfast, of whom we gain what little insight we have from a trial of heretics conducted by Robert II. Arfast testified that he had pretended to join the sect, all the better to denounce them when the time arose. He later donated lands to the monastery of St. Pere, to which he retired. He had at least two sons: Osbern, who was steward to the later Dukes, and was murdered by William de Montgomery while defending the young Duke William; and Ranulf, known from charters. Osbern maried a niece of Richard I (the daughter of his half-brother) and by her was the father of the Conquest baron William Fitz Osbern.

Gunnor had at least three sisters, of which the oldest appears to have been Senfria (Seinfreda), who was wife of the (unnamed) forester from the area of St. Vaast d'Equiqueville, and it was her charms which are said first to have attracted the attentions Duke Richard I. She appears to have had at least one daughter, Joscelina, wife of Hugh de Montgomery. (Torigny makes Joscelina daughter of another sister, Wevia, but a contemporary of Torigny, in demonstrating the genealogical impediment to a marriage of a bastard of Henry I to a Montgomery descendant specifically calls Joscelina's mother Senfria, and the inheritance by the Montgomerys of large holdings suggests that Joscelina was a significant coheir to her parents, which does not match Wevia's family where two sons would be expected to acquire most of the family land.) Hugh de Montgomery and Joscelina had a son Roger, but contrary to Torigny's statements, he was not the Conquest baron of that name, but instead his father. By a wife possibly named Emma, Roger had: Hugh; Roger (who married Mabel of Belleme and played a significant role in pre-Conquest Normandy); William (who murdered cousin Osbern); Robert, and Gilbert.

Duvelina, a second sister of Gunnor, married Turulf de Pont Audemer, son of a Norman founder Torf, and uncle of the first of the Harcourts. They had at least one son, Humphrey de Vielles, who in turn was father of Roger de Beaumont, another Conquest-era baron.

Wevia, the only other sister of Gunnor named by Torigny, married Osbern de Bolbec (who is otherwise unknown to history). They had at least two sons: Walter Giffard, ancestor of the English Giffard/Gifford families, and also, through his daughter, of the Clare family; and Godfrey, whose son William de Arques had two daughters and co-heiresses.

Torigny indicates that Gunnor had numerous nieces, names the descendants of several of them, but the accounts of these families are more difficult to harmonize with other available sources, as has already been seen with niece Joscelina.

One niece is said to have married Nicholas de Bracqueville, and to have had William Martel and Walter de St. Martin. As to Martel, there seems to have been a connection to this family, since Hawise, daughter of Nicholas married Hugh de Wareham, son of a Grippo. Hugh had a brother Geoffrey Martel, but beyond this no recent analysis provides any insight as to the descent of the later Martels. Walter de St. Martin is even more of a problem, since elsewhere Torigny incorrectly makes him brother of William de Warenne, but the ancestry given there is clearly false. Thus it is not clear that Torigny knew the exact connection of Walter, and no evindece to clarify his true origins.

A second niece is said to have married Richard, vicomte of Rouen (who was son of Tesselin). He had a son Lambert of St. Saens, whose son Helias married a bastard daughter of Robert II of Normandy. (If the connection here given is correct, then these two were withing the prohibited degree, which may throw doubt on the relationship, or simply suggest that the relationship did not come to light at the time.) Based on later interactions between Montgomery and Warenne (thought to be related to this branch) it has been speculated that this niece was sister of Joscelina, which is possible but unsupported.

It appears to be through this family that the relationship of two more Norman barons come into play, but not exactly as Torigny presents it. He shows yet another niece marrying Ranulph de Warenne, and by him having William de Warenne and Roger de Mortimer. This is clearly untrue, because Roger appears to have been a generation older than William. The solution appears to be that Torigny (as he had done with the Montgomerys) compressed into one individual a father and son of the same name. Ranulph de Warenne (I) appears to have married Beatrice, sister of Richard, vicomte of Rouen, and thus sister-in-law of one of Gunnor's nieces (thus it would appear that this family actually does not descend from a relative of Gunnor's, but is genealogically linked to some of her descendants) and had sons: Roger (de Mortimer) and Ranulph de Warenne (II), who in turn was father of another Ranulf (III) and of William de Warenne.

Finally, Torigny states that a niece married Osmund de Centumvillis, vicote of Vernon, and had a son Fulk de Alnou, and a daughter whose son was Baldwin de Reviers. Much debate has focussed on the attempt to identify these men, but in the latter case, clearly a connection to the Reviers/Vernon Earls of Devon is intended. The precise nature of the relationship is more difficult to pin down. It would seem that the first Earl Richard de Reviers was son of a Baldwin, who had brothers Richard de Vernon (app. d.s.p.) and William Fitz Hugh de Vernon (perhaps a half-brother, who by wife Emma had a son Hugh, often confused with a Hugh, brother of Earl Richard. It is this error that has led to the statement that Emma was the relative of Gunnor, which derives from a set of relationships hypothesized in CP (under Devon) and predicated on her being mother of Hugh, brother of Earl Richard, an untrue relationship.). If Baldwin, father of Earl Richard, was the same as the grandson of Osmund de Centumvillis this would complete the picture, but one more relationship invites comment. Earl Richard is said by an early source, cited by CP, to be nephew of William Fitz Osbern. This may enable us to place the unnamed wife of Osmund as sister of William Fitz Osbern, and thus a great-niece rather than a niece of Gunnor, although this solution strains chronology.

The work of Robert de Torigny thus provides a valuable source for the genealogical origins of the immediate pre-Conquest Norman aristocracy. When it has been possible to compare the information with other sources, some inconsistancies are found, but it is unclear whether these represent errors of Robert, or inaccuracies in the genealogical traditions he was recording. In most cases, an in-depth study of the available material has enabled modern historians to satisfactorilly reconstruct the descents from Gunnor's family and provide a representation of the true relationships among these early Norman families.

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Noted events in his life were:

• Fact 2: Fact 2. 1973 One source sdays he was Haraldblaafand Of Denmark, King.

Herbastus married Gunnhild OLAFSDOTTIR Princess Of Sweden. Gunnhild was born in 923 in Sweden and died on 13 November 1002 at age 79. Another name for Gunnhild was Gyrid Or Gunhilda.

Herbastus next married Mrs-Herbastus De CREPON 1601 in <, Normandy, France>. Mrs-Herbastus was born about 916 in Of, , Normandy, France and died in Y.

Herbastus next married before 936.1375

Marriage Notes:
Reference Number:37785

Herbastus next married before 970.1375

Marriage Notes:
Reference Number:59933


257420429547. Gunnhild OLAFSDOTTIR Princess Of Sweden,415 daughter of Olaf "Mitkg" Bjornsson King Of SWEDEN and Ingeborg Of Sula THRANDSDOTTIR, was born in 923 in Sweden and died on 13 November 1002 at age 79. Another name for Gunnhild was Gyrid Or Gunhilda.

General Notes:
Dau. of Olaf (Edmundson) Bjornsson and Ingeborg of Sula Thrandsdottir; m. Harald III 'Bluetooth' Gormsson; mother of Thyra, Svend I, and Erik (Hring); m. Herbastus de Crepon and was mother of Weoerta/Wevia. [Gary Lewis <gnl1@ix.netcom.com, 21 dec 2001]

b. 923; dau of Olaf 'Mitkg' Bjornsson, King of Sweden, and Ingeberg Thrandsdottir; m. Herbastus de Crepon, Forester of Arque; mother of Avelina/Duvelina, Gunnora/Gundra, Herfast, and Eva Senfrie. [Larry Overmire <larryover@worldnet.att.net, 2 Apr 2003]

Gunnhild married Herbastus Forester Of ARQUE 1601,1973.,2045 Herbastus was born about 911 in Arque, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France,1973 died after 984 1973, and was buried in "Of The Noblest House Of The Danes.".1973 Another name for Herbastus was Herbastus "Not" De CREPON.

257420429552. Richard Count Von METZ,415 son of Gerhard Count Von METZ and Unknown, was born about 948 in Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France and died before 986.

Richard married.

The child from this marriage was:

128710214776       i.  Adalbert Von Hohenburg Count Of METZ (born about 968 in Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France - died on 25 December 1033)


257420429554. Siegfried Count Of LUXEMBOURG,415,1444,1601,1746,2519 son of Richwin Count Of VERDUN and Cunégonde Of The WEST FRANKS, was born about 922 in Aachen, Rhineland, Prussia 2519,2520 and died on 15 August 998 2519,2521 about age 76. Another name for Siegfried was Sigfroi.

Siegfried married Hedwig Countess Of LUXEMBOURG 1601,2519 about 950 in <Of, , Moselgau, France>.2519 Hedwig was born about 923 in Luxembourg, , France and died on 13 December 992 2519,2521 about age 69. Other names for Hedwig were Edith, and ALSACE.

257420429555. Hedwig Countess Of LUXEMBOURG,415,1444,1601,1746,2519 daughter of Eberhard IV Von Hohenburg Count Of NORDGAU and Luitgarde (Bertha) Von METZ, was born about 923 in Luxembourg, , France and died on 13 December 992 2519,2521 about age 69. Other names for Hedwig were Edith, and ALSACE.

Hedwig married Siegfried Count Of LUXEMBOURG 1601,2519 about 950 in <Of, , Moselgau, France>.2519 Siegfried was born about 922 in Aachen, Rhineland, Prussia 2519,2520 and died on 15 August 998 2519,2521 about age 76. Another name for Siegfried was Sigfroi.

257420429556. Eberhard IV Von Hohenburg Count Of NORDGAU,415,1444,2519,2755 son of Hugues I Count Of LOWER-ALSACE and Hildegarde De FERRETTE, was born about 910 in Alsace, France 2520 and died in 966 2520,2755 about age 56. Other names for Eberhard were Gerard, Ebergard, Count Of ALSACE, Eberhard IV De ALSACE, Eberhard, Count In The ALSATIAN NORDGAU, Eberhard Iii, Count Von LAHNGAU, Eberhard IV Count Of LOWER-ALSACE, Ebergard, and Count In The NORDGAU.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 18 December 973.

Eberhard married Luitgarde (Bertha) Von METZ.2755 Luitgarde was born about 915 in Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France. Another name for Luitgarde was Luitgarde Of LUXEMBOURG.

257420429557. Luitgarde (Bertha) Von METZ,415,2755 daughter of Adalbert III (Adalhard) Count Von METZ and Luitgarde D' ARDENNES, was born about 915 in Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France. Another name for Luitgarde was Luitgarde Of LUXEMBOURG.

Luitgarde married Eberhard IV Von Hohenburg Count Of NORDGAU 2519.,2755 Eberhard was born about 910 in Alsace, France 2520 and died in 966 2520,2755 about age 56. Other names for Eberhard were Gerard, Ebergard, Count Of ALSACE, Eberhard IV De ALSACE, Eberhard, Count In The ALSATIAN NORDGAU, Eberhard Iii, Count Von LAHNGAU, Eberhard IV Count Of LOWER-ALSACE, Ebergard, and Count In The NORDGAU.

257420429558. Siegfried Count Of LUXEMBOURG,415,1444,1601,1746,2519 son of Richwin Count Of VERDUN and Cunégonde Of The WEST FRANKS, was born about 922 in Aachen, Rhineland, Prussia 2519,2520 and died on 15 August 998 2519,2521 about age 76. Another name for Siegfried was Sigfroi.

Siegfried married Hedwig Countess Of LUXEMBOURG 1601,2519 about 950 in <Of, , Moselgau, France>.2519 Hedwig was born about 923 in Luxembourg, , France and died on 13 December 992 2519,2521 about age 69. Other names for Hedwig were Edith, and ALSACE.

257420429559. Hedwig Countess Of LUXEMBOURG,415,1444,1601,1746,2519 daughter of Eberhard IV Von Hohenburg Count Of NORDGAU and Luitgarde (Bertha) Von METZ, was born about 923 in Luxembourg, , France and died on 13 December 992 2519,2521 about age 69. Other names for Hedwig were Edith, and ALSACE.

Hedwig married Siegfried Count Of LUXEMBOURG 1601,2519 about 950 in <Of, , Moselgau, France>.2519 Siegfried was born about 922 in Aachen, Rhineland, Prussia 2519,2520 and died on 15 August 998 2519,2521 about age 76. Another name for Siegfried was Sigfroi.

257420429564. Raymund Comte De BIGORRE 415,902 was born about 920 in Bigorre, Spain and died after 956.

Raymund married Gersinde De ASTARAB.902 Gersinde was born about 925 in Spain and died about 960 about age 35. Another name for Gersinde was Garsenda Of ASTARAC.

The child from this marriage was:

128710214782       i.  Arnald I Comte De BIGORRE (born about 947 in Bigorre, Spain - died before 1000)


257420429565. Gersinde De ASTARAB 415,902 was born about 925 in Spain and died about 960 about age 35. Another name for Gersinde was Garsenda Of ASTARAC.

Gersinde married Raymund Comte De BIGORRE.902 Raymund was born about 920 in Bigorre, Spain and died after 956.

257420429600. Arnold I Count Of FLANDERS Count Of Flanders,415,1601,1746,2112,2914 son of Baudouin II "The Bald" Count Of FLANDERS and Aelfthryth (Elfrida) Princess Of ENGLAND, was born about 890 in Ghent, Flanders Now Belgium 2915 and died on 27 March 964 2914 about age 74. Another name for Arnold was Arnoul I Count Of FLANDERS.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, 873. 2112

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 965. 2112

Arnold married Countess Of Flanders Alce De VERMANDOIS 1601,2914 in 934 in Flanders Now Belgium 2914.,2916 Alce was born about 915 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France,1436,2053 died on 10 October 960 in Bruges, Aquitaine, France 1436,2914,2916 about age 45, and was buried in St Pierre Abby, Gand. Other names for Alce were Adela, Alix, Adélaïde Of VERMANDOIS, and Adele De VERMANDOIS.

Children from this marriage were:

128710214800       i.  Count Baudouin III Of FLANDERS (born in 933 in , Flanders, Nord, France - died on 1 November 962 in (Dvp))

                  ii.  Luitgard Of FLANDERS was born about 930 in Ghent, Flanders Now Belgium and died on 29 September 964 2917 about age 34.

                 iii.  Countess Of Guisnes Elisende (Elftrude) De FLANDERS was born about 932 in Ghent, Flanders Now Belgium and died in 970 about age 38.

128710215521      iv.  Hildegarde Countess Of FLANDERS (born in 934 in Of, Gand, Flandre Orientale, Belgium - died on 10 April 990, buried in Abdijkerk, Egmond Aan Den Hoef, Noord Holland, Netherlands)

                   v.  Egbert De FLANDERS was born about 937 in , Flanders, Nord, France and died on 10 July 953 about age 16.


257420429601. Countess Of Flanders Alce De VERMANDOIS,415,1444,1601,1746,2914 daughter of Herbert II Count Of Troyes & VERMANDOIS and Liegarde (Hildebrand) Princess Of FRANCE, was born about 915 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France,1436,2053 died on 10 October 960 in Bruges, Aquitaine, France 1436,2914,2916 about age 45, and was buried in St Pierre Abby, Gand. Other names for Alce were Adela, Alix, Adélaïde Of VERMANDOIS, and Adele De VERMANDOIS.

Alce married Arnold I Count Of FLANDERS Count Of Flanders,1601,2112,2914 son of Baudouin II "The Bald" Count Of FLANDERS and Aelfthryth (Elfrida) Princess Of ENGLAND, in 934 in Flanders Now Belgium 2914.,2916 Arnold was born about 890 in Ghent, Flanders Now Belgium 2915 and died on 27 March 964 2914 about age 74. Another name for Arnold was Arnoul I Count Of FLANDERS.

257420429602. Hermann BILLUNG Duke Of Saxony,415,1601,1746,1784,2112,2711,2844 son of Billung Count Of SAXONY and Unknown, was born about 922 of Saxony, Germany and died on 27 March 973 1784,2844 about age 51. Another name for Hermann was Hermann Billung Duke Of SAXONY.

Hermann married Hildegard Von WESTERBOURG 1601,1784,2112 in <, , Saxony>. Hildegard was born about 922 in Westerberg, Saxony, Germany.

Children from this marriage were:

128710214801       i.  Countess Of Flanders Mathilde Princess Of SAXONY (born in 958 in Saxony, Germany - died on 25 May 1008)

128710221620      ii.  Bernard I BILLUNG Duke Of Saxony (born about 945 in Saxony, Germany - died on 9 February 1010-1011)

                 iii.  Margravine Of Meissen Swanhilde (Suanehild) BILLUNG Of Saxony was born about 950 in Saxony, Germany and died on 26 November 1014 about age 64. Another name for Swanhilde was Swanhilde (Suanehild) Billung Of SAXONY.

                  iv.  Imma Abbess Of HERFORD was born in 978 in , , , Saxony and died after 995 in , Herford, Westpfalz, Germany.

                   v.  Liudger Prince Of SAXONY was born in 980 in , , , Saxony and died from 26 February 1010 to 1011 at age 30.


257420429603. Hildegard Von WESTERBOURG 415,1601,1746,1784,2112 was born about 922 in Westerberg, Saxony, Germany.

Hildegard married Hermann BILLUNG Duke Of Saxony 1601,1784,2112,2711,2844 in <, , Saxony>. Hermann was born about 922 of Saxony, Germany and died on 27 March 973 1784,2844 about age 51. Another name for Hermann was Hermann Billung Duke Of SAXONY.

257420429608. Styr-Bjorn The Strong OLAFSSON Prince Of Sweden,415,2918,2919 son of Olaf "Mitkg" Bjornsson King Of SWEDEN and Ingeborg Of Sula THRANDSDOTTIR, was born in 903 in Sweden and died in 988 in Fyrisvols, Uppsala, Sweden 2918 at age 85. The cause of his death was war injuries. Other names for Styr-Bjorn were Strybiorn Sprakalaeg Starke; Styrbioern, and Styrbjron OLAFSSON.

General Notes:
Father of Thorkell the Tall and Hemming. [A History of the Vikings, p. 360]

Styr-Bjorn was son of Olaf Bjornson, King of Sweden 985; father of Thorkil
Sprakalaeg by Thyra. [Ancestral Roots, p. 5]

One of the most famous of Swedish heroes, demanded his share of the kingdom
when only 12 years old. When King Eric told him he was too young, Styrbioern
two springs in succession installed himself on the mound of his father, by so
doing making claim upon his inheritance, according to old usage. But when he
came to the Thing (council of jarls) to demand his share in the government, he
was chased away with stone-throwing. King Eric gave him 60 ships with men and weapons to try his luck in Viking expeditions. Styrbioern won great fameduring several years of continual warfare in the Baltic, capturing the mighty
Jomsborg, a celebrated Viking nest in the island of Wollin, later turning his
weapons upon Denmark, where he made the Danish King Harald Gormson Bluetooth a prisoner. He now felt strong enough to attack his uncle, King Eric. Harold Bluetooth was to help him, but failed to do so. Styrbioern sailed with a fleet to Sweden; after having landed he burned his ships to make a return impossible.

King Eric met him at the Fyrisvols and fought a battle which was said to have
lasted for 3 days. Styrbioern fell, and with him the larger part of his army.
This battle was fought in 988. [WBH - Sweden]

Unsuccessful invader of Sweden. First husband of Thyri. [A History of theVikings, p. 136]

Son of Olof; m. Tyre of Denmark.
[http://www.genealogy.com/~brigitte/thereoff/sweden.txt]

Styr-Bjorn married Thyra HARALDSDOTTIR Queen Of Norway,2920,2921,2922 daughter of Harold VII Bluetooth GORMSON King Of Denmark and Gyrid OLAFSDOTTIR Princess Of Sweden. Thyra was born in 927 in Denmark and died on 18 September 1000 in Norway at age 73.

Children from this marriage were:

128710214804       i.  Thorkell "The Tall" Sprakaleg STYRJORNSSON (born about 960 in Uppsala, Sweden - died about 1023 in East Anglia, England)

                  ii.  Hemming was born about 970 in , , , Denmark.


257420429609. Thyra HARALDSDOTTIR Queen Of Norway,2920,2921,2922 daughter of Harold VII Bluetooth GORMSON King Of Denmark and Gyrid OLAFSDOTTIR Princess Of Sweden, was born in 927 in Denmark and died on 18 September 1000 in Norway at age 73.

General Notes:
Sister of Sweyn Forkbeard. M.1. King Burisleif of Vendland (div.); m.2. King Olaf Trygvason of Norway. She insisted that King Olaf regain her lands which had been her dower from King Burisleif. King Olaf took a huge armada and King Burisleif willingly relinquished his claims. Died from grief shortly after King Olaf was killed in battle. [WBH - Norway, pp. 60-63]

Daughter of Harald Bluetooth; wife of Styrbjorn Starki. [A History of the Vikings, p. 128]

Dau. of Harold VII "Bluetooth", King of Denmark; m. Styr-Bjorn; mother of Thorkill Sprakalaeg; mother of Harold Olavsson by her 3rd husband. [Ancestral Roots, p. 5-6]

Dau. of Harald III 'Bluetooth' Gormsson and Gyrid (Gunhilda) Olafsson; m. Mieszko (Burislaf) I of Poland and was mother of Gunhild who m. Hakon Eiriksson and Harald Thorkilsen; m. Styrbiorn of Sweden Olafsson and was mother of Thorkil 'Sprakalaeg' Stybiornsson who m. Sigrid; m. Olaf Tryggvesson and was mother of Harald Olavsson. [Gary Lewis <gnl1@ix.netcom.com, 21 dec 2001]

Thyra married Miescyslaw I Grand Duke Mieszko King of POLAND Piast Dynasty,662,2923,2924,2925,2926 son of Ziemomysl, Prince Of POLAND and Unknown. Miescyslaw was born in 935 in Poznon, Poland, died on 25 May 992 in Poznan, Poland at age 57, and was buried in Cathedral Basilica of St. Peter and St. Paul, Poznan, Poland. Another name for Miescyslaw was Mieszko I Piast POLAND.

Thyra next married Styr-Bjorn The Strong OLAFSSON Prince Of Sweden,2918,2919 son of Olaf "Mitkg" Bjornsson King Of SWEDEN and Ingeborg Of Sula THRANDSDOTTIR. Styr-Bjorn was born in 903 in Sweden and died in 988 in Fyrisvols, Uppsala, Sweden 2918 at age 85. The cause of his death was war injuries. Other names for Styr-Bjorn were Strybiorn Sprakalaeg Starke; Styrbioern, and Styrbjron OLAFSSON.

Thyra next married Olaf TRYGVASON King Of Norway 2927.,2928 Olaf was born about 963 in Norway and died on 9 September 1000 in Greifswalder Oie, Svolder, Pomerania 2929 about age 37.

The child from this marriage was:

                   i.  Harold OLAVSSON was born after 985 in Denmark and died about 1000.


257420429612. Kenneth (Cinaed) II King Of SCOTS,415,1416,2930 son of Malcolm (Mael-Coluim) I King Of SCOTS and Unknown, was born in 932 in Scotland and died in 995 in Fettercairn, Kincardineshire, Scotland (Killed By His Men) 1416,2930 at age 63. Another name for Kenneth was Kenneth II King Of SCOTLAND.

General Notes:
Kenneth II (Cináed mac Máel Coluim), son of Malcolm I, king of Scotland, succeeded Culen, son of Indulf, who had been slain by the Britons of Strathclyde in 971 in Lothian. He did not established himself as sole king until he killed Culen's brother Amlaíb in 977, after which he ruled all of Scotland. His strength, like that of the other kings of his branch of the house of Kenneth MacAlpin lay chiefly north of the Tay.

Kenneth began his reign by ravaging the British kingdom, but he lost a large part of his force on the river Cornag. Soon afterwards he attacked Eadulf, earl of the northern half of Northumbria, and ravaged the whole of his territory. He fortified the fords of the Forth as a defence against the Britons and again invaded Northumbria, carrying off the earl's son. About this time he gave the city of Brechin to the church.

According to the English chroniclers, Kenneth paid homage to King Edgar for the cession of Lothian, but these statements are probably due to the controversy as to the position of Scotland.

The mormaers, or chiefs, of Kenneth were engaged throughout his reign in a contest with Sigurd the Norwegian, earl of Orkney, for the possession of Caithness and the northern district of Scotland as far south as the Spey. In this struggle the Scots attained no permanent success.

At some point in his life, Malcolm married, but the details are scanty. His wife was said to have been a Princess of Leinster. The marriage produced two sons, including the future Malcolm II and possibly a daughter, Donada. However, Donada is also said to have been the daughter of Malcolm II.

In 995 Kenneth died at Fettercairn in the Mearns. According to some accounts , he was slain treacherously by his own subjects, through the intrigue of Finvela, daughter of the Earl of Angus. He was buried on the Isle of Iona. 2931

Noted events in his life were:

• Ruled: 971-995.

Kenneth married Miss De LEINSTER. Miss was born about 935 in Leinster, Ireland.

The child from this marriage was:

128710214806       i.  Malcolm II Mackenneth King Of SCOTLAND (born in 954 in Scotland - died on 25 November 1034 in Glamis, Angus, Scotland (Murdered))


257420429613. Miss De LEINSTER 415 was born about 935 in Leinster, Ireland.

Miss married Kenneth (Cinaed) II King Of SCOTS 1416.,2930 Kenneth was born in 932 in Scotland and died in 995 in Fettercairn, Kincardineshire, Scotland (Killed By His Men) 1416,2930 at age 63. Another name for Kenneth was Kenneth II King Of SCOTLAND.

257420429614. Brian Boroimhe Na Munster King Of IRELAND,415,505,2764 son of Cineadh Na MUNSTER and Be Bind O'FLAHERTY, was born in 942 in Kincora, Munster, Ireland and died on 23 April 1014 in Battle Of Clontarf, Dublin, Ireland 2762 at age 72. Another name for Brian was Brian BORUM King Of Ireland.

General Notes:
Brian Boru, son of the Gaelic King Cennetig of Munster,was born in the 930s. In 960 Brian's brother Mahoun became king. Munster was plagued by Viking raids, and Brian was determined to fight back. He managed to unite Munster's rival royal clans, the Delcassians (to which he and Mahoun belonged) and the Eoghanists, and led them to victory against the Vikings of Limerick. But the Eoghanists grew jealous of the Delcassian clan's power and formed an alliance with the Vikings. Two Eoghanists princes, Donovan and Moalmua, invited King Mahoun to dinner and treacherously murdered him. Brian declared war on the Eoghanists and their Viking allies and destroyed them.

By 984 Brian was the ruler of the southern half of Ireland. To strengthen his authority in the north he arranged a marriage between his daughter and Sitric Silkbeard, the Viking king of Dublin. Brian himself married Sitric's mother, Gormflaith. Brian's power grew, and in 1002 he became the high king of all Ireland. But when Brian's son Morrough insulted Queen Gormflaith's brother Maelmurra, the king of Leinster, Maelmurra declared war on Brian. Gormflaith eventually joined Maelmurra, and together they convinced Sitric to raise a Viking army against Brian.

Brian and Sitric's armies met at Clontarf, near Dublin, on April 23, 1014. During the battle Brian, who was in his 80s, remained in his tent. He was kneeling in prayer when a group of Vikings slipped in and killed him. Despite the loss of its leader Brian's army triumphed; the Vikings' rule in Ireland was ended.

The O'Briens, one of the few native Irish families with a peerage, descend in the male line from Brian Boroimhe, Prince of Thomond (North Munster or the north part of southwest Ireland, roughly commensurate with an area centered on modern Co. Clare) and Chief of the Dalgais, who became High King of Ireland 1002 and was killed at the victory over the Danes of Clontarf 23 April 1014. [Burke's' Peerage, p. 1495]

Noted events in his life were:

• Ruled: 1002-1014

Brian married Eachraidh Ui Aeda ODBA, daughter of Charllus Ui Aeda ODBA and Unknown, after 966 in 2ND Husband 1St Wife. Eachraidh was born about 947 in Eireann, Ireland and died about 980 about age 33.

Brian next married Gormflaith Ingen Murchada Mac Finn Of LEINSTER,2762 daughter of Murchad Mac Finn King Of LEINSTER and Miss Na CONNACHT, before 985 in 2ND Husband 2ND Wife.2763 Gormflaith was born about 950 in Leinster, Ireland and died in 1030 in Kincora, Munster, Ireland 2762 about age 80.

257420429615. Eachraidh Ui Aeda ODBA,415,505 daughter of Charllus Ui Aeda ODBA and Unknown, was born about 947 in Eireann, Ireland and died about 980 about age 33.

Eachraidh married Gilla-Patraic Na OSSORY King Of Ossory in 1st Husband - Divorced ?. Gilla-Patraic was born about 943 in Ireland and died in 996 about age 53.

Eachraidh next married Brian Boroimhe Na Munster King Of IRELAND,2764 son of Cineadh Na MUNSTER and Be Bind O'FLAHERTY, after 966 in 2ND Husband 1St Wife. Brian was born in 942 in Kincora, Munster, Ireland and died on 23 April 1014 in Battle Of Clontarf, Dublin, Ireland 2762 at age 72. Another name for Brian was Brian BORUM King Of Ireland.

Noted events in his life were:

• Ruled: 1002-1014

257420429760. Berenger Comte De RENNES,415 son of Judicael (Juhel) I Comte De RENNES and Unknown, was born about 875 in Rennes, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France and died in 930 about age 55.

Berenger married Daughter Of Berenger De BAYEUX, daughter of Berenger Count De BAYEUX and Miss De RENNES. Daughter was born about 880 in Bayeux, Calvados, Normandy, France.

The child from this marriage was:

128710214880       i.  Judicael (Juhel) II Berenger Comte De RENNES (born about 910 in Rennes, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France - died in 970)


257420429761. Daughter Of Berenger De BAYEUX,415 daughter of Berenger Count De BAYEUX and Miss De RENNES, was born about 880 in Bayeux, Calvados, Normandy, France.

Daughter married Berenger Comte De RENNES, son of Judicael (Juhel) I Comte De RENNES and Unknown. Berenger was born about 875 in Rennes, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France and died in 930 about age 55.

257420429764. Foulques II "Le Bon" Comte D' ANJOU Count Of Anjou,415,1601,1746,2895 son of Foulques I "Le Roux" Comte D' ANJOU and Countess Of Anjou Rosalie (Roscille) De LOCHES, was born about 909 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died on 11 November 958 in Tours, Indre-Et-Loire, Touraine/Centre, France 2896 about age 49. Another name for Foulques was Fulk II Count D'ANJOU.

General Notes: The following was given in a post-em by Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann@yahoo.com:

ID: I00387 Foulques II "Le Bon" Comte d' Anjou
(son) Foulques Seigneur de Briole b: ABT 941 in Anjou/Pays-de-la-Loire, France

In addition to Weis AR7, other sources for this individual are:
ES III:116
ES XIV:116
Leo van de Pas’ Genealogics: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020237&tree=LEO
Miroslav Marek (Genealogy.eu) = ES sourced
Moriarty Plantagenet p4
Paget p139
Paul Theroff database
Roglo database
Tapsell p203]
Tompsett (Hull database)
Turton p6, 180 etc,
Watney #9

I have been following with interest your Beauvau > Briole line. I cannot confirm nor debunk the line up to Foulque II "le Bon", 3rd Comte de Anjou & Gerberge de Gâtinais, but at that point there is a problem. I’m afraid no son of this couple named Foulques Seigneur de Briole is given in any of these sources. I found the connection on several websites but they are all unsourced. Sebastian Tuszynski 25 Jul 2000 msg to SGM, Subject: "A few French question", asked about this filiation (& numerous others). Unfortunately the only response did not address this particular question. Note when researching this on the net, apparently Briolé is Briollay at many websites & on WorldConnect.

This filiation, without any reliable source to confirm it, appears to be an invention. I would love to hear from anyone reading this post-em who is willing provide any sourced info pro or con.

Jim, as an active member, perhaps another query to SGM will get a response this time.

A little (not much) more on Foulque/Fulk:

Fulk II, Comte d'Anjou [Ref: Turton p6]
Count of Anjou [Ref: Weis AR7 118:20, Weis MC5 53:21]
941-958: Count of Anjou [Ref: Tapsell p203]
940-962 (or 942-960): 3rd Count of Anjou, [Ref: McBride: Vol I File 9: The Paternal Ancestry of Homer Beers James]

..and under his successor, Fulk II the Good, the destruction caused by the preceding wars was repaired. [Ref: Ency Britannica]

According to legend, he was learned and saintly, dressed as a cleric and said of Louis IV, King of France, who had mocked his piety, 'an illiterate king is a crowned ass'. [Ref: Leo van de Pas’ Genealogics citing: Paget] Note: "a man of wit, but perhaps lacking in tact - Louis IV was not the fool his father, Charles III "the Simple", has been profiled to have been" Curt

Alas, I no longer have access to a terrific source which may/may not have more to say about Foulques II: "Fragmentum historieae Andegavensis" (Fragments of a History of the Counts of Anjou) From 'Chroniques des comtes d'Anjou et des seigneurs d'Amboise' by Count Fulk le Rechin 1096 (Louis Kalpen and Rene Poupardin), 1913, Paris. Should you find access to the UCLA library which probably has it, you will find this source that may have more to say about Foulques II. If memory serves me right Fulk "le Rechin" wrote many things modern scholars dispute, but he was at least contemporary, though obviously, he may have embellished a thing or two about his ancestry.

Regards,
Curt

Foulques married Countess Of Anjou Gerberga De GATINAIS 1601,2730 on 2 March 936-937 in 1st Wife.2563 Gerberga was born in 915 in Gatinais, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France 2563 and died in 952 2563 at age 37.

Foulques next married Judith 2831 after 952 in 2ND Husband 2ND Wife. Judith was born about 920 in France.

257420429765. Countess Of Anjou Gerberga De GATINAIS,415,1601,1746,2730 daughter of Geoffrey Count Of GATINAIS and Ava Of ARVERNE, was born in 915 in Gatinais, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France 2563 and died in 952 2563 at age 37.

General Notes:
Turton has Gerberge as "d' Arles", daughter (with a ?) of Rotbold II Comte d'Arles, while AR has Gerberga (de Gatinais?). Neither source seems sure. Others say Gerberga du Maine, de Vienne, or de Tours. @@check ancestry

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The following post to soc.genealogy.medieval on 1 Jun 1998 by Ken Finton indicates that the only agreement seems to be to her first name (Professor Bachrach, a historian, proposed the existence of Gerberga, daughter of Ratburnus of Vienne, who married Fulk II, on purely political/historical grounds, even though there was no other indication that Ratburnus had a daughter named Gerberga.):

This is directed at Professor Bachrach:

There seems to be a lot of disagreement as to the father of Gerberga, wife of Fulk II. It has been called to my attention that you favor her identification as:

Gerberga of Vienne, d/o Ratburnus. ["Prosopographical Method", _Medieval Prosopography 7_ , no. 2 (1986), 1-23. In his "Fulk Nerra" Bachrach says firmly that she is Gerberga of Vienne, da. of the "mere" (as he puts it, as part of his argument on the political import of the marriage) viscount of Vienne, Viscount Ratburnus I (p. 7 - and see his geneal of this house, chart 14)."]

ES III:116 says this Fulk m. (1) Gerberga, dau. of Herve, Ct of Maine and (2) the widow of Alain, Duke of Brittany. Turton (chart 6) has her as Gerberga d'Arles, da. of Rotbold II, comte d'Arles. Also, Her father may have been Theobald de Tours.), source Royalty for Commoners, by Roderick W. Stuart, p. 125.

If she is of Vienne, how can this be backed up? To complicate matters, I see that Christian Thevenot, "Foulque III Nerra, Comte d'Anjou" (1987) endorses Gerberga as Gerberge du Maine, da. of Hervé, Sgr du Maine, as the ES Chart shows.

Kenneth Harper Finton
Editor/ Publisher
THE PLANTAGENET CONNECTION

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I have adopted the ancestry for Gerberga, presented on soc.genealogy.medieval by Alan B. Wilson, based on work by Settipani, which is still speculative.

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The following was given in a post-em by Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann@yahoo.com:

ID: I00388 Gerberga de Gatinais

born: 915 [Ref: Keats-Rohan Family Trees (Settipani Anjou) p211-267]

married: 937 [Ref: Bachrach-Angevin p274, Bachrach-Fulk Nera p262, ES II:187, ES III:166, ES VIV:116, p24, Genealogiques Capetiens 8, Glocker p299, Keats-Rohan Family Trees (Settipani Anjou) p211-267, Michael Call 401:24, Moriarty Plantagenet p4, Royalty for commoners 167:36, Turton p6, Weis AR7 53:21 & 118:20, Winkhaus 'Anjou' 21], names: [Ref: Moriarty p4, Paget p139, Watney #9, Weis AR7 118:20]

died: before 952 [Ref: ES III:116, ES XIV:116, Keats-Rohan Family Trees (Settipani Anjou) p211-267, Moriarty Plantagenet p4]

Some of the sources of the debate about her ancestry are below:

Gergerba de France, dau. of Hugues, le Grand, duc de France and Hedwige de Germanie as wife of Foulques II and mother of Geoffroy Grisegonelle. [Ref: “Les seize quartiers genealogiques des Capetiens”, J.D. de Joannis & R. de Saint-Jouan, Lyon: Sauvegarde Historique, 1958]

Gerberge "d' Arles", dau(?) of Rotbold II Comte d'Arles [Ref: Turton p6]

father: Herve Count of Maine [Ref: ES III:116, Royalty for Commoners 167:36] note: RFC contradicts itself=see below.

father: Geoffrey Count of Gâtinais [Ref: ES XIV:116] Note: does not specify that it is a correction of ES III:116=see above.

Gerberga of the Gatinais(?) [Ref: Weis AR7 118:20]

Gerberga de Gâtinais dau of Gausfred de Gâtinais [Ref: Olivier Auffray 28 Jul 2000 msg to SGM]

Gerberge du Maine, dau of Hervé, Seigneur du Maine [Ref: "Foulque III Nerra, Comte d'Anjou", Christian Thevenot, 1987]

parents: Hervé, Comte de Maine (no further ancestry); mother: Godehilde de Maine dau of Roricon III, Comte de Maine & Godehilde (no further ancestry) [Ref: Genealogics citing: Paget, Saillot at: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00020238&tree=LEO] Note: I show Paget says something else=see below.

father:Theobald de Tours [Ref: Paget p139, Royalty for Commoners p125]

father: Geoffrey I, Vicomte of Orleans. Witness Charter of Hugh Magnus, Duke of France 939, 933-942, and sister of Aubrey, Vicomte of Orleans, whose son was Geoffrey, Count of Gatinais, whose son was Aubrey, Count of Gatinais, whose son was Geoffrey, Count of Gatinais, who married Beatrice of Macon. [Ref: McBride2: Vol I File 9: The Paternal Ancestry of Homer Beers James]

Below is a 31 May 1998 exchange on SGM between <Mardi Carter> & Christopher Nash:
<ES XIV:116 gives the accepted view that he m Gerberga, dau. of Geoffrey of Gatinais.>
You might want to look at Bernard S Bachrach's extensive "Some Observations on the Origins of Countess Gerberga of the Angevins: An Essay in the Application of the Tellenbach-Werner Prosopographical Method", _Medieval Prosopography 7_ , no. 2 (1986), 1-23. In his _Fulk Nerra_ Bachrach says firmly that she is Gerberga of Vienne, da. of the "mere" (as he puts it, as part of his argument on the political import of the marriage) viscount of Vienne, Viscount Ratburnus I (p. 7 - and see his geneal of this house, chart 14).

<she was dau. of Geoffrey I, Ct of Gatinais>
This would presumably (by Bachrach's reckoning, _Fulk Nerra_, charts 2 & 4) make her the sister-in-law of the _great-granddaughter_ of her husband Fulk 'le Bon'. Viz.: Hermengarde-Blanche d'Anjou, (via Hermengarde-Blanche's m. to Geoffrey II, comte du Gatinais). Are you ok about that? (I haven't checked this further for chronol. -- or other kinds of -- coherence, and I haven't studied Bachrach's argument on Gerberga's ancestry.)

Ava, a sister of Wm. the Pious, m. 'Geoffroi, c of Nevers/Gatinais'. Their daughter, Gerberge, was first wife of Fulk II, 'le bon' (d. 958), count of Anjou, and mother of his children, from 2 of whom can be traced a large progeny. Unusual hypothesis--contradicts conventional wisdom on first wife of Fulk le Bon, and I can't find any other information on this Geoffrey (not in Bouchard's _Sword, Mitre & Cloister_). This was put forward in C. Lauranson-Rosaz, _L'Auvergne et ses marges du VIIIe au XIe siecle: la fin du monde antique?_ (Le Puy, 1987), in charts at pp. 60, 93, as a possibility but with no discussion in the text. What is the origin of and best argument for this idea? [Ref: Nat Taylor 23 May 1997]

ES xiv, 116 shows Gerberga, d. 952, who m. 937 Foulques II "le Bon," Count of Anjou, as daughter of Geoffroy, Count of Gatinais (son of Aubray, Viscount of Orleans). It does not mention any wife of Geoffroy.

When I inquired about the parentage of Gerberga on 26 Oct 1996, contrasting ES xiv, 116, with what was postulated by Bachrach, "ic" (Oxford) commented that ES was right and called attention to a review of Bachrach in the "English Historical Review", June 1996, pp. 668-9. The review was by K. S. B. Keats-Rohan. It promised a forthcoming study of the counts of Gatinais. I haven't followed up to see if it has yet been published. Where does the information on Ava, sister of William "the Pious," come from? [Ref: Alan B. Wilson 25 May 1997]

(Response): C. Lauranson-Rosaz, _L'Auvergne et ses marges du VIIIe au XIe siecle: la fin du monde antique?_ (Le Puy, 1987), in charts at pp. 60, 93, puts it forward as a possibility, but with no discussion in his text… [Ref: Nat Taylor 26 May 1997

Gerberge has been much discussed, but clearly Christian Settipani is correct in arguing that her father was Geoffrey of Gatinais. [Ref: TAF 4 Dec 1998]

Regards,
Curt

Gerberga married Foulques II "Le Bon" Comte D' ANJOU Count Of Anjou 1601,2895 from 2 March 936 to 937 in 1st Wife.2563 Foulques was born about 909 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died on 11 November 958 in Tours, Indre-Et-Loire, Touraine/Centre, France 2896 about age 49. Another name for Foulques was Fulk II Count D'ANJOU.

257420429766. Count Robert I Comte De Meaux & TROYES,415,1444,1601,1746,2897,2903,2932 son of Herbert II Count Of Troyes & VERMANDOIS and Liegarde (Hildebrand) Princess Of FRANCE, was born about 920 in Meaux, Seine-Et-Marne, Ile-DE-France, France 2901 and died on 29 August 968 in Troyes, Aube, Champagne, France 2547,2901,2902 about age 48. Other names for Robert were Robert, Count Of CHAMPAIGNE, Robert I Comte De MEAUX & Troyes, Robert De Vermandois, Count Of TROYES AND CHALONS, Robert De VERMANDOIS, and2903 Robert De VERMANDOIS Comte De Meaux & Troyes.2899

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, After 19 June 966. 2716

Robert married Countess Adelaide Of BURGUNDY 1601,2716,2897,2898 before 944 in 1st Husband.2900 Adelaide was born about 928 in Auxerre, Yonne, Bourgogne, France and died after 19 August 967 2899. Another name for Adelaide was Adelaide De CHALON.

257420429767. Countess Adelaide Of BURGUNDY,415,1601,1746,2716,2897,2898 daughter of Duke Giselbert Count Of Chalons & BURGUNDY and Ermengarde De BURGUNDY, was born about 928 in Auxerre, Yonne, Bourgogne, France and died after 19 August 967 2899. Another name for Adelaide was Adelaide De CHALON.

Noted events in her life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, Abt 959. 2898

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 987.

Adelaide married Count Robert I Comte De Meaux & TROYES 1601,2897 before 944 in 1st Husband.2900 Robert was born about 920 in Meaux, Seine-Et-Marne, Ile-DE-France, France 2901 and died on 29 August 968 in Troyes, Aube, Champagne, France 2547,2901,2902 about age 48. Other names for Robert were Robert, Count Of CHAMPAIGNE, Robert I Comte De MEAUX & Troyes, Robert De Vermandois, Count Of TROYES AND CHALONS, Robert De VERMANDOIS, and2903 Robert De VERMANDOIS Comte De Meaux & Troyes.2899

Adelaide next married Lambert D' AUTUN Count Of Chalon,1601,2693,2734 son of Robert Vicomte D' AUTUN and Ingeltrude, after 968 in 2ND Husband. Lambert was born in 924 in Autun, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France and died from 22 February 978 to 979 in Chalon-Sur-Saone, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France 2734 at age 54. Another name for Lambert was Lambert De CHALON.

257420429768. Rollo Rognvaldsson 1St Duke Of NORMANDY,415,1444,1601,1746,2778,2892,2933,2934 son of Rognvald "The Wise" Eysteinsson , Jarl Of MORE Jarl Of More and Countess Of More Hilda (Ragnhild) Hrolfsdatter NORWAY, was born about 860 in Maer, Nord-Trondelag, Norway,2738,2934,2935 died about 932 in Notre Dame, Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 2738,2934,2935 about age 72, and was buried about 932 in Of, Notre Dame, Rouen, Nornandie, Neustria. Other names for Rollo were Rolf GANGER,2936 Robert I, Duc De NORMANDIE, Rolf "The Ganger" 1St Duke Of NORMANDY,2937 Rolf The Ganger Ragnvaldsson, First Duke Of NORMANDY, and Rollo ROGNVALDSSON 1st Duke Of Normandy.

General Notes:
Rollo, also called ROLF, or ROU, French ROLLON (b. c. 860--d. c. 932), Scandinavian rover who founded the duchy of Normandy.

911-Under treaty of St Claire received Normandy from Charles III King of France

Making himself independent of King Harald I of Norway, Rollo sailed off to raid Scotland, England, Flanders, and France on pirating expeditions and, about 911, established himself in an area along the Seine River. Charles III the Simple of France held off his siege of Paris, battled him near Chartres, and negotiated the treaty of Saint-Clair-sur-Epte, giving him the part of Neustria that came to be called Normandy; Rollo in return agreed to end his brigandage. He gave his son, William I Longsword, governance of the dukedom (927) before his death. Rollo was baptized in 912 but is said to have died a pagan. [Encyclopaedia Britannica CD, 1997, ROLLO]

Banished from Norway to the Hebrides ca. 876.

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The following information, arguing against Rollo's ancestry as I have it (certainly putting it to question), is contained in a post-em by Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann@yahoo.com. (Note: I am still sticking with my ancestry, which is based on information in CP, considered a very reliable source, though no source is perfect. I tend to want to stick up for the Norse "legends" contained in the sagas, believing that because they are easy targets, living in a time when there was no writing, many people deny their existence, holding them to the same standard as say "Charlemagne" or other historic figures who were written about by contemporaries.):

I apologize in advance for the length of this.

Rollo "the Ganger" 1st Duke of NORMANDY
911: Duke of Normandy [Ref: Paget p135]
properly Hrolf; known from his stature as Gongu-Hrolf, 'Rolf the walker' because no horse could carry him [Ref: Watney p740]
name: Rolf the Ganger [Ref: Tapsell p202]
911-932: Duke of Normandy [Ref: Tapsell p202]

born: 846 [Ref: Moriarty p10] abt 846 [Ref: ES II:79, Moriarty p11, Watney #740], parents: [Ref: Moriarty p10, Moriarty p11, Paget p135, Watney #740]

married Poppa 886: danish wife [Ref: Moriarty p10] first and third wives of Rollo, repudiated but afterward remarried after 919 [Ref: Paget p135], names: [Ref: Henry Project citing (Eric Christiansen, ed. & trans., Dudo of St. Quentin, History of the Normans (The Boydell Press, Woodbridge, Suffolk, 1998), Book ii Chapter 16 p38-9; Keats-Rohan, K. S. B., "Poppa of Bayeux and her Family", The American Genealogist 72 (1997), 187-204), Moriarty p11, p226, 39 Tompsett, Wurts p422]

married Gisele of France 912: [Ref: ES II:79, Paget p135]

died: 933 [Ref: ES II:75new] 927 [Ref: Watney 740] 931 [Ref: ES II:79, Moriarty p10, Moriarty p11] 932 [Ref: Paget p135, Tapsell p202] 931 [Ref: Wurts p422]

Rolf, known to his Frankish posterity as Rollo, was probably born of Norwegian stock, being the son of Rognvald, Earl of More, and before his formal establishment in Gaul he had a long career as a Viking, raiding not only in France but also, as it seems, in Scotland and Ireland. In 911, having entered Gaul afresh, perhaps by way of the Loire valley, he was defeated in a pitched battle outside the walls of of Chartres, and it was after this that he and his followers were given lands by the emperor in the valley of the lower Seine. Whether this famous grant of lands and recognition was made (as tradition later asserted) after a formal interview between Charles [King Charles III the Simple of France] and Rolf at Saint-Claire-sur Epte is questionable, and the application of the term 'treaty' to these arrangements is undoubtedly too precise. What, however, is certain is that before 918 Rolf and his followers already held considerable lands in this region, and that they had been formally confirmed in possession of them by the emperor. Equally certain is that in token of the new position he was henceforth to occupy in Gaul, Rolf accepted baptism at the hands of the archbishop of Rouen. [Ref: Wm Conqueror p17]

Rollo (later Robert) "of Normandy" Viking leader in France, d. 928×933. Although he is often referred to as the first duke of Normandy, that title is an anachronism. Probably about 911 [see Douglas 426-31], king Charles the Simple of France ceded a district around the city of Rouen to Rollo, which eventually evolved into the duchy of Normandy. He is said to have been baptized in 912, assuming the Christian name Robert [Dudo ii, 30 (p. 50)]. He was still living in 928, when he was holding Eudes, son of Heribert of Vermandois, as a captive [Flodoard's Annals, s.a. 928, see PL 135: 439, van Houts 45], and was probably dead by 933, when his son William was mentioned as leading the Normans [Flodoard's Annals, s.a. 933, see PL 135: 445, van Houts 45]. [Ref: Henry Project] note: the citations Douglas, Dudo, Flodoard, PL & van Houts are further identified in the Bibliography at the bottom of this page...Curt

Since the article by Duglas (sic) [Duglas (sic), David, English Historical review 1942, p417-36] seems to be one of the main secondary sources used by many who support the alleged Norwegian origin of Rollo, a brief discussion of Douglas's article is in order.

I agree with Duglas (sic) that the reference to Rollo as "filio Catilli" by Richer of Rheims can be dismissed. Richer used the generally reliable chronicle of Floodoard as a framework, which he then expanded with much legendary material of dubious value. This Catillus is a significant figure in Richer, but is apparently unknown from other sources, and his legendary nature is evident. The statement that Rollo was the son of Catillus is apparently an attempt by Richer to amplify the fame of Catillus (whose existence is doubful) by giving him a famous son.

Duglas (sic) then outlines the well known saga statements regarding Rollo's supposed identification with Ganger-Rolf, son of Rognvald. To support his claim that "Rollo" is an acceptable Latin form for "Hrolfr", Duglas (sic) brings forward a single charter [a charter of Richard II for St. Quen, which predated Dudo and the other later sources, mentions the _atavus Ralphus_ of the Duke] which reads "atavus Rolphus" (not Ralphus) which appears to be referring to Rollo (p.421). However, as Duglas (sic) admits, the charter itself is not above suspicion. Another example mentioned in a footnote is a certain Turstinus fillius Rolv who was apparently the same person as a Turstinus filius Rollonis. This is a very small sample to make the claim that Rollo was a Latin form for Rolf. Just as likely is the possibility that the names Rollo and Ralph were confused in a couple of manuscripts. Since Ralph was such a common name in Normandy and England, we should see a large number of examples of "Rollo" and "Ralph" being used as the same name, if they were in fact the same. Since the number of examples which Douglas was able to produce is so small, it is more likely that some sort of copying mistake was made on the above examples, in which the uncommon name Rollo was accidently replaced by the extremely common (and similar) Ralph. Important negative evidence is not given, for Douglas never mentions that there is a Norse name "Hrollaug" for which "Rollo" is an obvious Latinized form. Since the sagas give Rognvald of More two clearly different sons named Hrollaug and Hrolf, it would be difficult to argue that Hrollaug and Hrolf are supposed to be the same name. The main other piece of evidence Douglas gives for accepting the saga account is the supposed confirmation of a saga statement about Granger-Rolf in the contemporary records. The following statement by Ari is quoted: "Another son of Othere (he says) was Helge. He harried in Scotland and won there as his booty Nithbeorg, daughter of King Beolan and of Kathleen, daughter of Ganger-Rolf." Duglas (sic) then reads between the lines, and states that since Kathleen is a Celtin name, her mother would almost certainly be a Christian. He then turns to the nearly contemporary "Lament for the Death of William Longsword", which states that William was born outside France of a Christian mother at a time when his father was still pagan. He then states: "The suggestion of the Landnamabok is thus confirmed by an epic poem composed in Gaul in the tenth century. The fact would seem to be a powerful, if not a conclusive, argument in favor of the identity of Rollo with Ganger-Rolf." The first sentence in the above quote is completely false. There is not a single detail in the quote from Ari which is confirmed by the statement in "Lament for the death ..." This argument used by Duglas (sic), in which he deduces an additional statement not in the original, so that there is something which can be "confirmed" is unacceptable. The fact that Douglas would refer to such an argument as "powerful" only serves to emphasize how weak his argument really is. [Ref: Stewart Baldwin 7 Dec 1996] (Note: "Duglas" referred to above is actually spelled Douglas. David C. Douglas, Fellow of the British Academy, Emeritus Professor of History, University of Bristol, Ford's Lecturer to the University of Oxford & editor of a series of studies of the English monarchs...Curt)

According to the Orkneying Saga (late twelfth century), Rognvald, jarl of More in Norway, was the father (among others) of a certain Hrolf, who became the first duke of Normandy, and is therefore intended to be identified with the historical Viking Rollo, who appears in the contemporary Frankish annals of the tenth century. Those who accept this view base their argument on these late Icelandic sources. In my opinion, the Icelandic sources are worthless for early Norman history, and should be rejected as a source for Rollo's parentage. Some of the basic reasons for this opinion are as follows:

1. The Icelandic sources are both late and foreign when it comes to Norman history. Other than the very well known fact that William the Conqueror was descended from the dukes of Normandy, the Icelandic sources do not offer a single fact about early Norman history which can be corroborated in the contemporary continental sources. In fact, the Icelandic sources say remarkably little about early Norman history, which is suspicious for a source which supposedly knows the origin of Rollo.

2. The Norman sources, which are both native and considerably earlier than the Icelandic sources, tell a completely different story about the origin of Rollo, who is said to be of Danish origin. Even though some of the early Norman sources (such as Dudo) have been criticized for their innacuracy (and for deliberate embellishment), it is still reasonable to suppose that early native sources would be more reliable on the matter of Rollo's origin than late foreign sources.

3. Unfortunately, the early tenth century is not well covered by the Frankish sources. However, even though the Norman sources have clearly embellished and romanticized the material on Rollo, the story of a Danish origin for Rollo fits quite well with what the Frankish sources for the late ninth century (a better covered period) say about the Danish invasions during that earlier period.

4. Contrary to what has been frequently claimed, the names Hrolf and Rollo do not appear to be the same. The Norse name Hrollaug, which is a different name (see #5), is the name which would have "Rollo" as a reasonable Latinization. The claim that "Hrolf" was Latinized as "Rollo" by mistake is unlikely, because the Franks were quite familiar with the name, and a different Viking raider named Hrolf from the ninth century has his name correctly Latinized as "Rodulf" in the contemporary ninth century sources.

5. Fifth, and most important, the Icelandic sources give Rognvald of More several sons two of whom are Hrolf, allegedly the same as the founder of Normandy, and Hrollaug, an early Icelandic settler. First, this shows that Hrolf and Hrollaug were regarded as different names. However, it also causes a big problem in the Icelandic story. If we are to believe the Icelandic account, Hrolf went to Normandy, where he was then known as Rollo/Hrollaug, i.e., the name of Hrolf's brother. If the Icelandic story were true, why would both the Frankish and Norman sources both refer to "Hrolf" by the name of his brother Hrollaug? (Claiming that the Icelandic sources were almost right, and that Rollo of Normandy was the same as Hrollaug son of Rognvald, is not feasible, because Hrollaug's role as an early settler of Iceland clearly marks him as a different person from Rollo of Normandy.) I would like to see this problem explained away by someone supporting position that Rollo was Rognvald's son. By the way, this last point (#5) has, to my knowledge, not been mentioned before (except by me in previous postings on the same subject), and I therefore have an obvious personal interest in knowing if this particular point has been mentioned by others. If point #5 has already been made somewhere else in the literature, I would be interested in having the reference.

Thus, in my opinion, for the reasons given above, Rollo of Normandy was was probably not the son of Rognvald of More, and his parentage should be
regarded as unknown. [Ref: Stewart Baldwin 16 Mar 1998]

also known as Hrolf or Rollon, 1st Duke of Normandy from 911 to 927, called also Rolf the Walker, because, being so tall, he preferred to go afoot rather than ride the little Norwegian horses. Also shown as Rollon, Row, or Robert Originally a Norse Viking, he was noted for strength and martial prowess.

It is more likely that the title "Duke" is a tenth or eleventh century construct, as even the title count was not introduced until later documents, usually refered as count of Rouen. Neither Rollo or his son William Longsword issued many written instruments - certainly none that survive in the original.

Rollo the Dane, also known as Hrolf or Rollon, 1st Duke of Normandy from 911 to 927, called also Rolf the Walker, because, being so tall, he preferred to go afoot rather than ride the little Norwegian horses. Also shown as Rollon, Row, or Robert. Originally a Norse Viking, he was noted for strength and martial prowess. In the reign of Charles II, the Bald, he sailed up the Seine River and took Rouen, which he kept as a base of operations. He gained a number of victories over the Franks, and extorted the cession of the province since called Normandy. By the famous treaty which Charles the Bald and Rollo signed the latter agreed to adopt Christianity. He was born in 846 and died in 932, and was buried in the Cathedral at Rouen. He married (1) Gisla, daughter of Charles the Simple, King of France, no issue; (2) Lady Poppa de Valois, (means puppet or little doll), daughter of Pepin de Senlis de Valois, Count Berenger (Berenarius) of Bretagne, Count of Bayeux, and sister of Bernard of St. Liz (Senlis), also recorded as Berenger, Count of Bayeux. Rollo lived with her for some time before the marriage. [Ref: McBride2]

Dudo (contemporary with Rollo's grandson Richard I and informed by Richard's half-brother) states that Rollo was a Dane and had a brother whose name (I forget the form Dudo used) can be interpreted as Gorm or Guthorm. He portrays him as an extremely active individual rampaging, sacking, looting, and then being bought off by the French king to stop other vikings from doing the same, being baptized as Robert.

The Orkneyinga saga, which dates from a good bit after the time of William the Conqueror (great-grandson of Richard I and great-great-great-grandson of Rollo) says that the Jarl of Orkney had a brother Hrolf the Walker, who conquered Normandy and was ancestor of the Norman kings of England. It explains the nickname as indicating that he was so fat he could not ride a horse. He is a Norwegian, and had numerous brothers (including, oddly enough, one named Rollo), but none named Gorm or Guthorm.

Now there are no absolute answers here, but one thing is clear. The accounts of Dudo and of the Orkneyinga saga are completely incompatable. Every single detail, other than that the man conquered Normandy, - name, ethnicity, physical characteristics, siblings, are all different. Obviously one of these sources is in error. Both contain material which is demonstrably false, and which has been used in the past to discredit them. However, Dudo probably actually knew people who knew Rollo, and it is difficult to come up with a motive for falsification of these details (why bother substituting danish for norwegian, for example) while the Orkneyinga saga author had no such direct connection, and furthermore had motive to invent such an ancient connection, to further glorify the family are the center of his tale. Still, nothing of this sort is certain, but given what each of the sources have to say, you have to give the nod to Dudo, which would mean that Rollo would not be identical to the Hrolf of the saga, and the claim that he was the founder of Normandy must rest on some sort of mistaken identity or intentional forgery. [Ref: TAF 27 Feb 2002]

Hrólfr (son of Rognvaldr) is, often (but dubiously) identified with Rollo of Normandy [Ref: Henry Project]
Below is from the Henry Project, compiled by Stewart Baldwin at http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/prov/rollo000.htm
Commentary
Supposed father: Rognvaldr, jarl of Møre.
Supposed mother: Ragnhildr or Hildr.

The origin of Rollo is contraversial. There are several medieval sources which claim to give information about the origin of Rollo, the most widely repeated of which would make him a son of Rognvaldr, jarl of Møre by Ragnhildr or Hildr. As can be seen from the following brief notices, the various primary sources offer very contradictory information about Rollo's origin.

The earliest author to attribute an explicit origin to Rollo was Richer of Rheims, writing between 996 and 998, who called Rollo the son of another Viking invader of France named Catillus (presumably representing the Norse name Ketil) [Richer i, 28 (see PL 138: 35)]. Since Catillus appears to be a legendary individual, this account has generally been discredited, probably correctly [see Douglas 420-1].

According to Dudo of St. Quentin (writing early 11th century), author of the earliest history of the Normans, Rollo had a younger brother named Gurim, presumed to be the familiar name Gorm. Dudo states that Rollo and Gurim were sons of a man who held many lands in "Dacia" (Dudo's word for Denmark, following other authors), and that after the death of the (unnamed) father of Rollo and Gurim, the king of Dacia fought against the sons, killing Gurim and driving Rollo out [Dudo ii, 2-4 (pp. 26-7)]. Dudo later refers to duke Richard I as being related to a "king of Dacia" named Haigrold [Dudo iv, 84-88 (pp. 114-20 passim)], who must have been the Viking raider of France of that name [Flodoard's Annals, s.a. 945, see PL 135: 463-4, van Houts 51], and not king Harald "Bluetooth" of Denmark. Note that Gurim cannot be the famous Gorm "the Old" of Denmark, who survived Rollo by many years.
William of Malmesbury (early 12th century) appears to be the earliest author to attribute a Norwegian origin to Rollo [WM ii, 5 (p. 125)].

As is well known, the Orkneyinga Saga (late twelfth century) [OrkS 4 (pp. 29-30)], followed by other Icelandic sources (such as the well known Heimskringla and Landnámabók), gives Rollo the name Hrólfr, and make him a son of Rognvaldr, jarl of Møre, and brother of (among others) jarl Torf-Einarr of the Orkneys [OI 1: 187]. Earlier sources, such as Ari's Íslendingabók (early to middle 12th century), mention Rognvald of Møre and his son Hrollaugr who settled in Iceland, but not the supposed connection to the dukes of Normandy [Ari 49, 61]. A poem allegedly written by Einar mentions his brothers, including a Hrólfr, but does not connect Hrólfr to Normandy, and does not name a Gorm among the brothers. (See ...Rognvaldr for more on this poem.)

Historia Gruffud vab Kenan (ca. 1250), apparently a Welsh translation and/or revision of an earlier Latin life of Gruffudd ap Cynan, gives Haraldr Hárfagri of Norway ("Harald Harfagyr") a brother named Rodulf (i.e., the Latin form of Hrólfr) who is called the founder of Normandy [HGK, 3-4]. However, this is evidently a corrupt version of the Scandinavian version, and the suggestion that Rollo was a brother of Haraldr Hárfagri need not be given any credence.

The most prominent argument of the case for accepting the Scandinavian account that Rollo was the same person as Hrólfr, son of Rognvaldr of Møre, was given by D. C. Douglas [Douglas 419-23], and those who accept this identification have generally followed the same arguments. On the other side, arguments against the identification were given by Viggo Starcke in his book Denmark in World History [Starcke 222-7].

Most of the argument of Douglas consists of accepting the tale of the sagas and rejecting evidence from the Norman sources which contradict the saga version, while explaining away the problems (on which more below). The evidence which Douglas puts forward as "a powerful, if not a conclusive, argument in favor of the identity of Rollo with Ganger-Rolf" concerns a passage in Landnáamabók that refers to a daughter of Gongu-Hrólfr:
"... Annarr son Óttars vas Helge; hann herjaðe á Skottland, ok feck þar at herfange Niðbiorgo, dóttor Beolans konungs ok Caðlínar, dóttor Gongo-Hrólfs" (Another son of Óttarr was Helge. He harried in Scotland, and won there as his booty Niðbjorg, daughter of king Beolan and Caðlín, daughter of Gongu-Hrólfr.) [OI 1: 66-7]
This passage, which Douglas attributed to "Ari the Learned" (who may or may not have been the author), is then compared with a passage from the nearly contemporary Plaintsong of Rollo's son William "Longsword" which was written soon after William's death:

"Hic in orbe transmarino natus patre
in errore paganorum permanente
matre quoque consignata alma fide
sacra fuit lotus unda"

(Born overseas from a father who stuck to the pagan error and from a mother who was devoted to the sweet religion, he was blessed with the holy chrism.)
[Douglas 422 (Latin); van Houts 41 (English translation)]

After explaining that the two stories are consistent with one another, Douglas then state that "[t]he suggestion of the Landnámabók is thus confirmed by an epic poem composed in Gaul in the tenth century." While it is true that the two accounts as they stand are consistent with each other and with the claim that Rollo and Gongu-Hrólfr were the same man (ignoring all other evidence), it is surely a gross overstatement to claim that the Plaintsong "confirms" the other account, for there is not a single statement in the passage from Landnámabók that is confirmed by the Plaintsong. This is a clear case of circular reasoning, for without first assuming that Rollo and Gongu-Hrólfr were the same man, there is no evidence that the two passages have any relation whatsoever. Douglas's case is further undermined by the fact that another source [Laxdœla Saga chapter 32, see OI 1: 246] makes Niðbjorg's mother Caðlín a daughter of Gongu-Hrólfr, son of Oxna-Þórir, directly contradicting the thesis that Caðlín was supposedly a granddaughter of Rognvaldr of Møre. Yet, Douglas apparently regarded this as the strongest part of his argument.

There are three main strands of evidence (somewhat related to each other) against the identification of Rollo with Hrólfr son of Rognvaldr:

1. The discrepancies between the Norman and Icelandic sources.
Among other contradictions, the Norman sources give Rollo a brother named Gurim, while the Icelandic sources give Hrólfr several brothers, none of them named Gormr (the presumed Old-Norse form for Gurim). Although both of the sources have their problems, earlier native sources would seem to have a higher priority than later foreign sources. While many elements of the Dudo's account are clearly legendary, there appears to be no clear motive on the part of Dudo (writing less than a century after Rollo's death) to invent a younger brother for Rollo who is then immediately killed off.

2. The general unreliability of Norse source for the early tenth century.
For the period under consideration, i.e., the early ninth century, the sagas have a poor record for reliability, even for Scandinavian history. For example, consider the following words of Peter Sawyer (written with regard to a different matter, but true in general), a well known expert on early Viking history: "... These sagas cannot, however, be accepted as reliable sources for the tenth century. The only trustworthy evidence for the tenth century in those sagas are the contemporary verses around which the saga writers wove their tales." [Sawyer 42] None of these verses confirm the identity of Rollo and Hrólfr. The suspicion is made even larger by the fact that the Icelandic sources show no knowledge of Norman history other than the fact (well known throughout Europe at the time) that William the Conqueror was a descendant of the dukes of Normandy.

3. Rollo and Hrólfr appear to be different names.
The natural Latinization of the name Hrólfr would be Radulfus or Rodulfus. Yet, the Frankish and Norman sources consistently refer to the founder of Normandy as Rollo. Since these sources also include numerous individuals named Rodulfus, and consistently separate the two names, it appears that the names were regarded as different. Douglas explained this by suggesting a hypothetical hypochoristic form "Hrolle" of the name "Hroðwulf" as the basis for the name Rollo, and provides a single charter in which Rollo is referred to as "Rolphus" as evidence that the names were the same, acknowledging, however, that the charter itself was "not above suspicion." If the names were really regarded as the same, it would be expected that more convincing evidence to this effect could be offered.

Personally, I am inclined to believe that the identification of Hrólfr and Rollo has no basis in fact, that it was likely to have been invented by a saga writer who wanted to give the jarls of Orkney some famous relatives (i.e., the kings of England), and that whatever the confusing Norman sources say are probably about the closest we are going to get to Rollo's origin. However, based on the surviving evidence, it is not possible to come to any definitive conclusion one way or the other, and Rollo's parentage should be listed as "unknown" unless further evidence becomes available.

Supposed additional child:
Caðlin (Kathleen), said by Norse sources to have married a certain king Beolan, who is otherwise unidentified. As discussed above, the evidence for her is less than satisfactory.]

Bibliography
Ari = Halldór Hermannsson, ed. & trans., The Book of Icelanders (Íslendingabók) by Ari Thorgilsson (Islandica, vol. 20, Ithaca, 1930).
Dudo = Eric Christiansen, ed. & trans., Dudo of St. Quentin, History of the Normans (The Boydell Press, Woodbridge, Suffolk, 1998). Citation is by book and chapter of Dudo's work, with the page number in parentheses.
Douglas = D. C. Douglas, "Rollo of Normandy", English Historical Review 57 (1942), 417-36.
Flodoard's Annals = See PL 135 (Latin), and van Houts (2000), 42-51 (English translation of excerpts relating to the Normans).
GJ = Guillaume de Jumièges, Gesta Normannorum Ducum, as edited in Elisabeth van Houts, ed. & trans., The Gesta Normannorum Ducum of William of Jumièges, Orderic Vitalis and Robert of Torigni, 2 vols., (Oxford, 1992). Citation is by book and chapter of Guillaume's work, with the volume and page number of the edition by van Houts in parentheses.
HGK = D. Simon Evans, ed., Historia Gruffudd vab Kenan (Caerdydd, 1977).
Keats-Rohan = Keats-Rohan, K. S. B., "Poppa of Bayeux and her Family", The American Genealogist 72 (1997), 187-204.
OI = Gudbrand Vigfusson and F. York Powell, ed. & trans., Origines Islandicae, 2 vols. (Oxford, 1905).
OrkS = Herman Pálsson & Paul Edwards, ed. & trans., Orkneyinga Saga (London, 1978). Citation is by chapter, with the page number in parentheses.
PL = Migne's Patrologiæ (Latin)
Richer = Richer of Rheims (see PL 138 for the text, in Latin). Citation is by book and chapter of Richer's work, with the page number in parentheses.
Sawyer = Peter Sawyer, 'The Last Scandinavian Kings of York', Northern History 31 (1995), 39-44.
Starcke = Viggo Starcke, Denmark in World History (Philadelphia, 1962, a translation of the Danish edition of 1946 by Frank Noel Stagg, Ingeborg Nixon, and Mrs. Elmer Harp).
van Houts = Elisabeth van Houts, ed. & trans., The Normans in Europe (Manchester & New York, 2000) [gives English translations of many of the primary sources relevant to early Norman history]
WM = J. A. Giles, ed. & trans., William of Malmesbury's Chronicle of the Kings of England (London, 1889). Citation is by book and chapter of William's work, with the page number in parentheses.

Regards,
Curt

Rollo married Papia FALAISE Duchess Of Normandy 1601,2778 in 891.1447 Papia was born in 872 in Evreux, Normandy, France and died about 938 in France 1447 about age 66. Other names for Papia were Papia, Poppa Of BAYEUX, Poppa De Nuestria, and Duchess Of NORMANDY.

Children from this marriage were:

128710214884       i.  William I "Longsword" Duke Of NORMANDY (born about 891 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France - died on 17 December 942 in Killed At Picardy, France)

257420429507      ii.  Countess Of Poitiers Adèle (Gerloc) Of NORMANDY (born in 897 in Of, , Normandie, Neustria - died after 14 October 962 in France)

                 iii.  Crispina De NORMANDY was born about 920 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.

                  iv.  Kalina Of NORMANDY.

                   v.  Count Robert CORBEILL was born in 895 in Normandy, France and died in Y.

                  vi.  Gerlette De NORMANDY.

Rollo next married Gisèle Duchess Of NORMANDY 1601 in 912 in , , , France. Gisèle was born in 895 in , Normandy, France and died in 919 at age 24.


257420429769. Papia FALAISE Duchess Of Normandy,415,1444,1601,1746,2778 daughter of Berenger Count De BAYEUX and Miss De RENNES, was born in 872 in Evreux, Normandy, France and died about 938 in France 1447 about age 66. Other names for Papia were Papia, Poppa Of BAYEUX, Poppa De Nuestria, and Duchess Of NORMANDY.

General Notes:
The following information is contained in a post-em by Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann@yahoo.com:

Poppa means puppet or little doll [Ref: McBride2]
The name Poppa comes from Dudo, who calls her daughter of Count Berenger. [Ref: TAF 24 Dec 1999]

What I have in mind is her (Katherine Keats-Rohan) article on Poppa, mother of William Longsword of Normandy, which appeared in The American Genealogist a few years back. Basically, she suggested that Juhel/Judicael Berenger was son of a Count Berenger, named by Dudo and William of Juminges, and that both this Count Berenger and William Longsword were maternal grandchildren of an Earlier Frankish Count Berenger. I have seen it speculated (i.e. by Guillotel) that Judicael Berenger's paternal grandfather might have been a son or grandson of King Erispoe, but there was little evidence with which to place him. [Ref: TAF 21 Nov 2000]

parents: [Ref: ES II:75new], father: Berengar Count of Bayeux [Ref: Paget p135] called a dau of Count Berenger of Boyeux [Ref: Moriarty p11] said to be a daughter of count Berengar [Ref: Henry Project citing (Eric Christiansen, ed. & trans., Dudo of St. Quentin, History of the Normans (The Boydell Press, Woodbridge, Suffolk, 1998), Book ii Chapter 16 p38-9; Keats-Rohan, K. S. B., "Poppa of Bayeux and her Family", The American Genealogist 72 (1997), 187-204)

Research note 1: parents: Gui Count of Senlis & dau Pepin de Parmus [Ref: Moriarty p226]

Research note 2: father: Berenger Marquis of Newstria (d.896) [Ref: KeatsRohan Poppa p196]

Research note 3: father: Pepin Count of Senlis [Ref: Wurts p182]

Research note 4: Pepin de Senlis de Valois, Count Berengarius of Bretagne, who was living in 893. Pepin de Senlis de Valois was the father of Lady Poppa, the first wife of Rollo the Dane, 1st Duke of Normandy. [Ref: McBride2]

married Rollo 886: date: danish wife [Ref: Moriarty p10] first and third wives of Rollo, repudiated but afterward remarried after 919 [Ref: Paget p135], names: [Ref: Henry Project citing (Eric Christiansen, ed. & trans., Dudo of St. Quentin, History of the Normans (The Boydell Press, Woodbridge, Suffolk, 1998), Book ii Chapter 16 p38-9; Keats-Rohan, K. S. B., "Poppa of Bayeux and her Family", The American Genealogist 72 (1997), 187-204), Moriarty p11, p226, 39 Tompsett, Wurts p422]

Regards,
Curt

Papia married Rollo Rognvaldsson 1St Duke Of NORMANDY 1601,2778,2934 in 891.1447 Rollo was born about 860 in Maer, Nord-Trondelag, Norway,2738,2934,2935 died about 932 in Notre Dame, Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 2738,2934,2935 about age 72, and was buried about 932 in Of, Notre Dame, Rouen, Nornandie, Neustria. Other names for Rollo were Rolf GANGER,2936 Robert I, Duc De NORMANDIE, Rolf "The Ganger" 1St Duke Of NORMANDY,2937 Rolf The Ganger Ragnvaldsson, First Duke Of NORMANDY, and Rollo ROGNVALDSSON 1st Duke Of Normandy.

257420429770. Hubert Comte De SENLIS,415,1601,1746,2069 son of Pépin II Count Of SENLIS [& Bretagne] and Unknown, was born about 880 in Senlis, Oise, Picardy, France and died about 912 about age 32. Another name for Hubert was Hubert Comte De ST. LIS.

Hubert married Mrs-Hubert Count Of SENLIS 1601 in 873. Mrs-Hubert was born about 890 of Bretagne, Brittany, France and died in Y.

The child from this marriage was:

128710214885       i.  Sprota (Sporta) De SENLIS (born about 911 in Bretagne, Normandy - died about 972)


257420429771. Mrs-Hubert Count Of SENLIS 1601,1746 was born about 890 of Bretagne, Brittany, France and died in Y.

Mrs-Hubert married Hubert Comte De SENLIS,1601,2069 son of Pépin II Count Of SENLIS [& Bretagne] and Unknown, in 873. Hubert was born about 880 in Senlis, Oise, Picardy, France and died about 912 about age 32. Another name for Hubert was Hubert Comte De ST. LIS.

257420430608. Ansfred The DANE,415,2253 son of Rollo (Thurstan) Of MORE and Gerlotte Of BLOIS, was born about 937 in Tillieres, Normandy, France and died about 963 about age 26. Another name for Ansfred was Ansfred ROLLOSSON The Dane.

General Notes: HUGH D'AVRANCHES, EARL OF CHESTER
The Conqueror and His Companions
by J.R. Planché, Somerset Herald. London: Tinsley Brothers, 1874.

The third son of Gerlotte was Ansfrid the Dane, the first Vicomte of the Hiemois, and father of Ansfrid the second, surnamed Goz, above mentioned, whose son Turstain (Thurstan, or Toustain) Goz was the great favourite of Robert Duke of Normandy, the father of the Conqueror, and accompanied him to the Holy Land, and was entrusted to bring back the relics the Duke had obtained from the Patriarch of Jerusalem to present to the Abbey of Cerisi, which he had founded. Revolting against the young Duke William in 1041 (Vide vol. i, p. 21), Turstain was exiled, and his lands confiscated and given by the Duke to his mother, Herleve, wife of Herluin de Conteville.

Ansfred married Helloe Countess Of BEULAC, daughter of Godfrey Count Of BEULAC and Unknown, about 962. Helloe was born about 942 in Tillieres, Normandy, France.

The child from this marriage was:

128710215304       i.  Ansfred II Onfror Le GOZ (born about 963 in Normandy, France)


257420430609. Helloe Countess Of BEULAC,415 daughter of Godfrey Count Of BEULAC and Unknown, was born about 942 in Tillieres, Normandy, France.

Helloe married Ansfred The DANE,2253 son of Rollo (Thurstan) Of MORE and Gerlotte Of BLOIS, about 962. Ansfred was born about 937 in Tillieres, Normandy, France and died about 963 about age 26. Another name for Ansfred was Ansfred ROLLOSSON The Dane.

257420430644. Leofwine I Earl Of MERCIA,415,505,2938,2939 son of Edulph Of MERCIA and Elfwina Of MERCIA, was born in 946 in Chester, Cheshire, England (Mercia) and died before 1032 in Chester, Cheshire, England (Mercia) 2938.

Leofwine married Alwara ATHELSTANSDOTTIR.2939 Alwara was born in 955 in Mercia, England. Another name for Alwara was Alwara MANNESSON.

Children from this marriage were:

128710215322       i.  Leofric III Earl Of MERCIA (born on 14 May 978 in Chester, Cheshire, England (Mercia) - died on 31 August 1057 in Bromley, Staffordshire, England (Mercia))

                  ii.  Godwin Of MERCIA was born about 979 in Balterley, Newcastle Under Lyme, Staffordshire, England.


257420430645. Alwara ATHELSTANSDOTTIR,415,505,2939 daughter of Athelstan MANNESSON and Unknown, was born in 955 in Mercia, England. Another name for Alwara was Alwara MANNESSON.

Alwara married Leofwine I Earl Of MERCIA 2938.,2939 Leofwine was born in 946 in Chester, Cheshire, England (Mercia) and died before 1032 in Chester, Cheshire, England (Mercia) 2938.

257420430646. Thorold Of COVENTRY 415,505 was born about 985 in Coventry, Warwickshire, England (Mercia).

Thorold married.

257420430648. Grimald Prince Of MONACO 415,2276 was born about 920 in Monaco and died about 968 2276 about age 48.

Grimald married Crispina De NORMANDY,2276 daughter of Rollo Rognvaldsson 1St Duke Of NORMANDY and Papia FALAISE Duchess Of Normandy. Crispina was born about 920 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.

The child from this marriage was:

128710215324       i.  Crispin De BEC (born about 955 in Bec, Eure, Normandy, France)


257420430649. Crispina De NORMANDY,415,1444,2276 daughter of Rollo Rognvaldsson 1St Duke Of NORMANDY and Papia FALAISE Duchess Of Normandy, was born about 920 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.

Crispina married Grimald Prince Of MONACO.2276 Grimald was born about 920 in Monaco and died about 968 2276 about age 48.

257420430650. Sigfried "The Dane" Comte De GUINES 415,1601,1746,2276,2561 was born about 920 in Denmark and died in 965 in Castle At Guines, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France 2561 about age 45. Another name for Sigfried was Sigfried Comte De GUISNES.

Sigfried married Countess Of Guisnes Elisende (Elftrude) De FLANDERS 1601,2276,2561 about 930 in Of, Guisnes, Neustria. Elisende was born about 932 in Ghent, Flanders Now Belgium and died in 970 about age 38.

Children from this marriage were:

128710215325       i.  Heloise De GUINES (born about 963 in Castle At Guines, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France)

                  ii.  Ardulf Comte De GUINES was born about 965 in Castle At Guines, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France and died in 996 2561 about age 31. Another name for Ardulf was Adolph Comte De GUISNES.


257420430651. Countess Of Guisnes Elisende (Elftrude) De FLANDERS,415,1601,1746,2276,2561 daughter of Arnold I Count Of FLANDERS Count Of Flanders and Countess Of Flanders Alce De VERMANDOIS, was born about 932 in Ghent, Flanders Now Belgium and died in 970 about age 38.

Elisende married Sigfried "The Dane" Comte De GUINES 1601,2276,2561 about 930 in Of, Guisnes, Neustria. Sigfried was born about 920 in Denmark and died in 965 in Castle At Guines, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France 2561 about age 45. Another name for Sigfried was Sigfried Comte De GUISNES.

257420430652. Baldric The TEUTON Seigneur De \Courcy\,415,2940 son of Wigelius De COURCY and Unknown, was born about 969 in Courcy, Ardennes, Champagne, France and died. Another name for Baldric was Baudry The GERMAN.

General Notes: The following information, which indicates that there is not much solid evidence on Baldric, is contained in a post-em by Curt Hoffeman, curt_hofemann@yahoo.com. Based on it, I added Aimee de Brionne as a wife. However I kept Muriel as mother of Baldric's 1st two children. However unlikely, this leaves Baldric marrying 1st the illegitimate daughter of Richard I of Normandy, and 2nd his great granddaughter.

FWIW (caveat emptor):

But the names "GILBERT" and "GEOFFREY" as the early ancestors of the DE NEVILLES on your list might indicate some likelihood that Baudric's wife was indeed a niece of Gilbert de Brionne, as written by Orderic. Orderic not only stated the fact about the niece of GILBERT marrying "BALDRIC," but named their six sons, including Nicholas DE BASKERVILLE and Richard DE NEVILLE, according to P. H. Baskervill...

In my letter to GEN-MEDIEVAL, I also said that BAUDRY/BAUDRIC le TEUTON and his brother WIGER came to Normandy and put themselves at the service of WILLIAM I, but it was not WILLIAM I, but WILLIAM's grandfather, Richard II of Normandy (996-1026) they served under, according to Orderic.

Abbe' Daoust states that BAUDRY married AUBREE, niece of Gilbert DE BRIONNE. This is the first place I have seen the name of the niece. [Ref: Kay Roemer <roemer222@aol.com> 9 Jan 2001 message to Gen-Medieval]

I have read that Gilbert's (de Brionne) niece Aubree married Baudric le Teuton and named a son Fulk, who later became Fulk d'Aunou. [Ref: Kay Roemir roemer222@aol.com 24 Jan 2001 message to Gen-Medieval]

Balderic Teutonicus (Baudric le Teuton, Baudry the Teutonique, Baldricus) who had a brother Wigere. They together traveled east to assist their friend the Duke of Normandy. They were the sons of

Wigelius de Courcie, the son of
Charles, the son of
Charles, Duke of Lorraine, who was the son of
Charles III, King of France, Born on 17 sept. 879 & died oct. 7, 929. [Ref: Nietzsche <Nietzsche@GNN.COM> 12 Nov 1995 message to Gen-Medieval citing: "Royal Ancestry of the Magna Carta Barons" by Carr. P. Collins Jr. ] note: I am seriously skeptical of this ascent - basis?... Curt

Research note: Baldricus Teutonicus De Bacqueville, Lord Bacqueville & Caux... (married) Denefacta De Brienne (dau of Robert De Brienne, Count of Eu & Beatrice De Falaise [Ref: (unsourced) http://users.legacyfamilytree.com/NorthernEurope/f223.htm]

Regards,
Curt

In reality, the dearth of records about him suggests any ancestry is speculatve (at best) not supported by reliable records (those that do are only guesses - my opinion only)... Curt

Baldric married Muriella De NORMANDY, daughter of Richard I "The Fearless" 3Rd Duke Of NORMANDY Count Of Rouen and CONCUBINE(S). Muriella was born about 970 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died before 1020.

Children from this marriage were:

128710215326       i.  Fulk D' AUNOU (born about 985 in Aunou, Orne, Normandy, France - died after 1007)

                  ii.  Robert Seigneur De COURCY was born about 1005 in Courcy, Ardennes, Champagne, France and died after 1058.

Baldric next married Aubree De BRIONNE, daughter of Mr\Mrs. De BRIONNE and Unknown, before 1020 in 2ND Wife. Aubree was born about 1000 in Brionne, Eure, Normandy, France.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Richard De NEVILLE was born about 1020 in Neuville-Sur-Tocque, Orne, Normandy, France and died after 1066 in Horncastle, Lincolnshire, England 2941. Another name for Richard was Richardus De Nova VILLA.

                  ii.  Nicholas De BASQUERVILLE was born about 1035 in Bacqueville-En-Caux, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France. Other names for Nicholas were Nicholas De BASKERVILLE, and Nicholas De BOSQUEVILLE.


257420430653. Muriella De NORMANDY,415 daughter of Richard I "The Fearless" 3Rd Duke Of NORMANDY Count Of Rouen and CONCUBINE(S), was born about 970 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died before 1020.

Muriella married Baldric The TEUTON Seigneur De \Courcy\,2940 son of Wigelius De COURCY and Unknown. Baldric was born about 969 in Courcy, Ardennes, Champagne, France and died. Another name for Baldric was Baudry The GERMAN.

257420430654. Ansfred II Onfror Le GOZ,415,2253 son of Ansfred The DANE and Helloe Countess Of BEULAC, was born about 963 in Normandy, France.

General Notes: HUGH D'AVRANCHES, EARL OF CHESTER
The Conqueror and His Companions
by J.R. Planché, Somerset Herald. London: Tinsley Brothers, 1874.

The third son of Gerlotte was Ansfrid the Dane, the first Vicomte of the Hiemois, and father of Ansfrid the second, surnamed Goz, above mentioned, whose son Turstain (Thurstan, or Toustain) Goz was the great favourite of Robert Duke of Normandy, the father of the Conqueror, and accompanied him to the Holy Land, and was entrusted to bring back the relics the Duke had obtained from the Patriarch of Jerusalem to present to the Abbey of Cerisi, which he had founded. Revolting against the young Duke William in 1041 (Vide vol. i, p. 21), Turstain was exiled, and his lands confiscated and given by the Duke to his mother, Herleve, wife of Herluin de Conteville.

Ansfred married in 988.

257420430720. Count Of Paris Robert I King Of FRANCE,415,505,1444,1524,1601,1746,1784,2304,2305 son of Count Of Orleans Robert "Fortis\The Strong" Duke Of FRANCE and Adelaide, Imperial Princess Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE, was born in 870 in Bourgogne, Marneogne, France 2263,2306,2307,2308 and died on 15 June 923 in Soissons, Aisne, Picardy, France (Slain In Battle) 1436,1524,1784,2263,2308,2309 at age 53. Other names for Robert were Robert I Robertien, Roi De FRANCE, Robert I Count Of PARIS, Robert I, and King De PARIS.2308

General Notes:
French king (922–23), son of Count Robert the Strong and younger brother of King Eudes. He inherited from Eudes the territory between the Seine and the Loire rivers. In 922, Robert led a rebellion against King Charles III (Charles the Simple) and was crowned king by a party of nobles and clergy, but he was soon killed in battle. His son-in-law, Raoul of Burgundy, succeeded him. His son was Hugh the Great.

Noted events in his life were:

• Ruled: 922-923.

Robert married Adelaide D' ALSACE,1784,2310 daughter of Hugh Comte De BOURGES and Unknown, in 1st Wife.2307 Adelaide was born about 870 in France and died before 894. Other names for Adelaide were Aelis Of ALSACE, and2042 Adele De FRANCE.2308

Robert next married Queen Of France Béatrice De VERMANDOIS 1524,1601,2309 before 894 in 2ND Wife 1436,2309.,2312 Béatrice was born about 880 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France 1436,1447 and died after March 930-31 1436,2313. Another name for Béatrice was Béatrix.

Robert next married Adèle Queen Of FRANCE.1601 Adèle was born in <Bourgogne, Marneogne, France> and died before 890.

257420430721. Queen Of France Béatrice De VERMANDOIS,415,1444,1524,1601,1746,2309 daughter of Hubert I De Caroling, First Count Of VERMANDOIS AND SENLIS and Countess Of Vermandois Bertha (Beatrice) De MORVOIS, was born about 880 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France 1436,1447 and died after March 930-31 1436,2313. Another name for Béatrice was Béatrix.

Béatrice married Count Of Paris Robert I King Of FRANCE 1524,1601,1784,2304,2305 before 894 in 2ND Wife 1436,2309.,2312 Robert was born in 870 in Bourgogne, Marneogne, France 2263,2306,2307,2308 and died on 15 June 923 in Soissons, Aisne, Picardy, France (Slain In Battle) 1436,1524,1784,2263,2308,2309 at age 53. Other names for Robert were Robert I Robertien, Roi De FRANCE, Robert I Count Of PARIS, Robert I, and King De PARIS.2308

257420430722. Isaac Count Of CAMBRAI 1379 was born about 890 in Cambrai, Nord, Nord-Pas-DE-Calais, France and died after 30 April 948.

General Notes: Turton has Isaac as son of Raoul de Cambray, who was son of Baldwin I Count of Flanders. However Royaly for Commoners seems to state that he married the daughter of Raoul (Rudolph) de Cambrai instead. Don't know which is correct?

Isaac married Alberade Of HAINAULT, daughter of Régnier I Longicullus, Count Of HAINAULT and Alberade (Albreda) Of MONS, before 934 in 2ND Wife. Alberade was born about 910 in Hainault, Belgium.

The child from this marriage was:

128710215361       i.  Judith De CAMBRAI (born about 940 in Cambrai, Nord-Pas-DE-Calais, France)

Isaac next married Daughter Of CAMBRAI 2400 in 1st Wife. Daughter was born about 895 in Cambrai, Nord, Nord-Pas-DE-Calais, France and died before 934.

The child from this marriage was:

                   i.  Arnaud Count & Bishop Of CAMBRAI was born about 925 in Cambrai, Nord, Nord-Pas-DE-Calais, France.


257420430723. Alberade Of HAINAULT,415 daughter of Régnier I Longicullus, Count Of HAINAULT and Alberade (Albreda) Of MONS, was born about 910 in Hainault, Belgium.

Alberade married Isaac Count Of CAMBRAI 1379 before 934 in 2ND Wife. Isaac was born about 890 in Cambrai, Nord, Nord-Pas-DE-Calais, France and died after 30 April 948.

257420431040. Dietrich I Count Of HOLLAND 415,2515 was born before 885 in Noordwijk-Binnen, Zuid, Holland and died in 942 2515. Another name for Dietrich was Dirk I Count Of West FRIESLAND.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 6 October 939.

Dietrich married Gerberge (Geva) Of MAYINHARD.2515 Gerberge was born about 903 in Egmond-Binnen, Netherlands.

The child from this marriage was:

128710215520       i.  Dietrich II Count Of HOLLAND & WESTFRIESLAND (born in 938 in Egmond-Binnen, West Franks, Netherlands - died on 6 May 988 in Abdijkerk Egmond, Noord Holland, , Netherlands)

Dietrich next married Gerberge De VERMANDOIS. Gerberge was born in 939 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France.


257420431041. Gerberge (Geva) Of MAYINHARD 415,2515 was born about 903 in Egmond-Binnen, Netherlands.

Gerberge married Dietrich I Count Of HOLLAND.2515 Dietrich was born before 885 in Noordwijk-Binnen, Zuid, Holland and died in 942 2515. Another name for Dietrich was Dirk I Count Of West FRIESLAND.

257420431042. Arnold I Count Of FLANDERS Count Of Flanders,415,1601,1746,2112,2914 son of Baudouin II "The Bald" Count Of FLANDERS and Aelfthryth (Elfrida) Princess Of ENGLAND, was born about 890 in Ghent, Flanders Now Belgium 2915 and died on 27 March 964 2914 about age 74. Another name for Arnold was Arnoul I Count Of FLANDERS.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, 873. 2112

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 965. 2112

Arnold married Countess Of Flanders Alce De VERMANDOIS 1601,2914 in 934 in Flanders Now Belgium 2914.,2916 Alce was born about 915 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France,1436,2053 died on 10 October 960 in Bruges, Aquitaine, France 1436,2914,2916 about age 45, and was buried in St Pierre Abby, Gand. Other names for Alce were Adela, Alix, Adélaïde Of VERMANDOIS, and Adele De VERMANDOIS.

257420431043. Countess Of Flanders Alce De VERMANDOIS,415,1444,1601,1746,2914 daughter of Herbert II Count Of Troyes & VERMANDOIS and Liegarde (Hildebrand) Princess Of FRANCE, was born about 915 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France,1436,2053 died on 10 October 960 in Bruges, Aquitaine, France 1436,2914,2916 about age 45, and was buried in St Pierre Abby, Gand. Other names for Alce were Adela, Alix, Adélaïde Of VERMANDOIS, and Adele De VERMANDOIS.

Alce married Arnold I Count Of FLANDERS Count Of Flanders 1601,2112,2914 in 934 in Flanders Now Belgium 2914.,2916 Arnold was born about 890 in Ghent, Flanders Now Belgium 2915 and died on 27 March 964 2914 about age 74. Another name for Arnold was Arnoul I Count Of FLANDERS.

257420431048. Count Baudouin III Of FLANDERS,415,1601,1746,2711 son of Arnold I Count Of FLANDERS Count Of Flanders and Countess Of Flanders Alce De VERMANDOIS, was born in 933 in , Flanders, Nord, France and died on 1 November 962 in (Dvp) 2711 at age 29. Another name for Baudouin was Baldwin III Count Of FLANDERS.

General Notes:
The following information (and advice) is contained in a post-em from Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann@yahoo.com:

Hie thee to Stewart Baldwin's "Henry Project" for scholarly research on this person (& much more):

http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/henry.htm

Baldwin III ruled briefly as joint count with his father Arnulf I, but died before his father. Count Baldwin's name appears in lists of abbots of St. Bertin [Monumenta Germaniae Historica, Scriptores series, 13, 391, 607], and he would appear to have held that office for a short period before his death. [Ref: Henry Project]

Possible illegitimate son (status uncertain):
Ascelin (Azelin) or Albert de Tronchiennes, bishop of Paris, 1016-1018.
The History of the Bishops of Cambrai states that Ascelin (or Albert, as he is called in some sources) was an illegitimate son of count Baldwin of Flanders. [Gesta Episcoporum Cameracensium, MGH SS 7, 448]. If this is accurate, Baldwin III would be the only count of Flanders named Baldwin who would make a chronologically feasible father for Ascelin. [Léon Vanderkindere, La Formation Territoriale des Principautes Belge au Moyen Age (2 vols., 2nd ed., Brussels, 1902, reprinted 1981) 1, 293], lists Ascelin as a son of Baldwin, without citing a source, but neither Erich Brandenburg, Die Nachkommen Karls des Großen (Frankfurt, 1964) norKarl Ferdinand Werner, 'Die Nachkommen Karls des Großen bis um das Jahr 1000 (1.-8. Generation)', Karl der Große 4 (1967) mention him. His biography in Dictionnaire de Biographie Française 3, 1238-40 states that he was very probably the son of Arnulf I, and then contradicts this statement by calling Arnulf II a brother of Ascelin. The DBF article makes Ascelin a provost of the monastery of Saint-Marie in Tronchiennes as early as 951, which, if true, would chronologically rule out Ascelin's affiliation as a son of Baldwin III. However, this date is suspicious, as it is 65 years before Ascelin became bishop, and the next event mentioned in the biography is in 995. [Ref: Henry Project]

Falsely attributed daughters:
Bertha (existence doubtful), m. Aymar, count of Genève (existence doubtful). [P. Anselme, Histoire Genealogique et Chronologique de la Maison Royale de France, ... (1726), 2, 715. She has also been falsely attached to Baldwin's father Arnulf I.]

Jeanne, mother of Wolbodo, bishop of Liège. [Léon Vanderkindere, La Formation Territoriale des Principautes Belge au Moyen Age (2 vols., 2nd ed., Brussels, 1902, reprinted 1981), 1, 293, citing Meyer, Rerum Flandr., 67, with a remark that the attribution is in error] [Ref: Henry Project]

Regards,
Curt

Baudouin married Countess Of Flanders Mathilde Princess Of SAXONY 1601,1784,2124,2711,2712 before 960 in <, Flanders, Nord, France>.2712 Mathilde was born in 958 in Saxony, Germany and died on 25 May 1008 1784,2711,2712 at age 50. Another name for Mathilde was Mathilde (Maud) Billung Of SAXONY.

257420431049. Countess Of Flanders Mathilde Princess Of SAXONY,415,1601,1746,1784,2124,2711,2712 daughter of Hermann BILLUNG Duke Of Saxony and Hildegard Von WESTERBOURG, was born in 958 in Saxony, Germany and died on 25 May 1008 1784,2711,2712 at age 50. Another name for Mathilde was Mathilde (Maud) Billung Of SAXONY.

General Notes:
Turton has Maud as 2nd wife of Arnulph I of Flanders and mother of Arnulph II. AR & others have her as mother of Arnulph II, but as wife of Baldwin III (not Arunlph I) as her 1st husband. Baldwin III died before his father and was not Count, he must have been overlooked by Turton & other early researchers.

Mathilde married Count Baudouin III Of FLANDERS,1601,2711 son of Arnold I Count Of FLANDERS Count Of Flanders and Countess Of Flanders Alce De VERMANDOIS, before 960 in <, Flanders, Nord, France>.2712 Baudouin was born in 933 in , Flanders, Nord, France and died on 1 November 962 in (Dvp) 2711 at age 29. Another name for Baudouin was Baldwin III Count Of FLANDERS.

Mathilde next married Godefroy Le Vieux D'ardennes, Count Of VERDUN Marquis Antwerp 1601,1784,2124,2593,2714,2715 in 963 in <Of, , , Saxony>.2712 Godefroy was born about 932 in Ardennes, Champagne-Ardenne, France and died on 4 September 1005 in Verdun, Meuse, Lorraine, France 1784,2715 about age 73. Other names for Godefroy were Godefrey D' ARDENNES Comte De Verdun, Godfroi, Comte D' ARDENNES, Godfrey, and Count Of VERDUN AND ARDENNES.

257420431050. Berengarius II King Of ITALY Marquis Of Ivrea,415,1444,1601,1746,2112,2870,2871 son of Adalbert I Margrave Of IVREA and Gisele Of Fruili Princess Of ITALY, was born about 919 in Italy 1436,2872 and died on 6 August 966 in Bamberg 2871,2873 about age 47. Another name for Berengarius was Berengarius II.

Noted events in his life were:

• Ruled: 950-952.

Berengarius married Willa D'arles Of TUSCANY 1601,2112,2874 in 936 in <Luxembourg, Luxembourg, West Europe> 2871.,2873 Willa was born about 915 in Of, , Tuscany, Italy and died after 974 1447. Other names for Willa were Willa III, Willa D' ARLES, and Willa Di TOSCANA.

257420431051. Willa D'arles Of TUSCANY,415,1444,1601,1746,2112,2874 daughter of Boso Of Arles, Margrave Of TUSCANY and Willa Princess Of BURGUNDY, was born about 915 in Of, , Tuscany, Italy and died after 974 1447. Other names for Willa were Willa III, Willa D' ARLES, and Willa Di TOSCANA.

Willa married Berengarius II King Of ITALY Marquis Of Ivrea 1601,2112,2871 in 936 in <Luxembourg, Luxembourg, West Europe> 2871.,2873 Berengarius was born about 919 in Italy 1436,2872 and died on 6 August 966 in Bamberg 2871,2873 about age 47. Another name for Berengarius was Berengarius II.

257420431058. Régnier I Longicullus, Count Of HAINAULT,415,1444,1882,2112,2942,2943,2944 son of Giselbert II Count Of MAASGAU and Irmengarde De LORRAINE, was born about 850 in Lorraine, France 1447,2945 and died after 25 October 915 in Meersen In The Palatine 1784,2946,2947. Other names for Régnier were Reinier I Au Long Col, Comte De HAINAUT, Regnier I Duke Of LORRAINE Count Of Hainault, Regnier I, and Duke Of LORRAINE.

General Notes:
Reginar/Regnier I, Margrave between the Meuse and the Scheldt, also Count of Hainault, the Hesbaye and several other areas in Lotharingia (modern Lorraine); lay Abbot or temporal guardian of the Abbeys of St Servais de Maestricht, St Maximin, Chevremont, Echternach and Stavelot. [Burke's Peerage]

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Regnier I, d. aft. 25 Oct 915, bef. 19 Jan 916, Count of Hainault; m. (2) Alberade of Mons; m. (1) Hersent of France, dau. of Charles II. [Ancestral Roots line 140-17]

Note: Stewart Baldwin reports on speculation that Reginar was also married to Erentrude of France. She would probably be his 2nd wife. See notes under Ermentrude.

Note: Turton has Regnier married (apparently as his only wife) to Albreda, who may be Alberade of Mons, his 2nd or 3rd wife.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 916. 2112

Régnier married Hersent, Princess De FRANCE 2943 in 880 in 1st Wife 2945.,2948 Hersent, was born in 865 in France and died about 890 about age 25.

Children from this marriage were:

257420429542       i.  Giselbert I Duke Of LORRAINE Lay Abbot Of Echternach (born about 887 in Reims, Lorraine, France - died on 2 October 939 in Andernach, Rhineland, Prussia)

                  ii.  Regnier II Count Of HAINAULT was born about 890 in Lorraine, France 1447,2540,2780 and died in 932 in Hainault, Belgium 2112,2314,2540,2780 about age 42. Another name for Regnier was Rainier Ii, Comte De HAINAUT.

Régnier next married Ermentrude Princess Of FRANCE,1784,2944,2949 daughter of Louis II "The Stammerer" King Of FRANKS and Adelaide Judith De PARIS, about 890 in 2ND Wife - Possibly.2944 Ermentrude was born in 870 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France.2949 Other names for Ermentrude were Ermentrude Von FRANCIA, and2950 Ermentrude Of West FRANKS.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Giselbert, Duke Of LOTHARINGIA.

128710215529      ii.  Cunégonde Of The WEST FRANKS (born about 890 in Aix-La-Chapelle [Aachen], Rhineland, Prussia - died after 923)

Régnier next married Alberade (Albreda) Of MONS 1784,2112,2943 about 896 in 2ND Wife 2945.,2948 Alberade was born about 880 in Mons, Lorraine, France and died in 916 2945,2951 about age 36. Other names for Alberade were Alberade Of LORRAINE, Albreda Of LORRAINE, Alberade Of MONS, and Albrada De MONS.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Symphorienne Of Lorraine & HAINAULT was born about 890 in Lorraine, France and died in 952 1447,1784 about age 62. Another name for Symphorienne was Symphoria.

257420430723      ii.  Alberade Of HAINAULT (born about 910 in Hainault, Belgium)


257420431059. Ermentrude Princess Of FRANCE,415,1444,1784,2944,2949 daughter of Louis II "The Stammerer" King Of FRANKS and Adelaide Judith De PARIS, was born in 870 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France.2949 Other names for Ermentrude were Ermentrude Von FRANCIA, and2950 Ermentrude Of West FRANKS.

General Notes:
The identity of Ermentrude's husband is not known, but there is speculation that he may be Reginar of Hainault, in which case Ermentrude would probably be his 2nd wife.

The posting to SGM, 26 Mar 2002, by Stewart Baldwin documents the speculation:

To my knowledge, there is no documentary evidence for the identity of Kunigund's father. Reginar I, count of Hainaut (father of Giselbert, duke of Lorraine and son of another Giselbert), has been suggested as one possibility, apparently for onomastic reasons. (Kunigund had a grandson named Reginar, and a son named Giselbert.) [Ref: Stewart Baldwin 16 Mar 2002]

Note: Alan Wilson does not indicate a father, just Ermentrude as the mother.

Ermentrude married Régnier I Longicullus, Count Of HAINAULT 1882,2112,2942,2943,2944 about 890 in 2ND Wife - Possibly.2944 Régnier was born about 850 in Lorraine, France 1447,2945 and died after 25 October 915 in Meersen In The Palatine 1784,2946,2947. Other names for Régnier were Reinier I Au Long Col, Comte De HAINAUT, Regnier I Duke Of LORRAINE Count Of Hainault, Regnier I, and Duke Of LORRAINE.

257420431060. Hugues I Count Of LOWER-ALSACE,415,2755 son of Eberhard III Count Of LOWER-ALSACE and Adelaide De VERMANDOIS, was born in 880 in Alsace, France 2755 and died in 940 2755 at age 60. Another name for Hugues was Hugo IV Von Hohenburg Count Of NORDGAU.

Hugues married Hildegarde De FERRETTE 2755 about 899 of Nordgau Region, Medieval States. Hildegarde was born about 882 in Ferrette, Haut-Rhin, Alsace, France.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Guntram Count Of NORDGAU was born about 904 in Alsace, France and died in 973 about age 69. Another name for Guntram was Guntram Von MURI.

128710215530      ii.  Eberhard IV Von Hohenburg Count Of NORDGAU (born about 910 in Alsace, France - died in 966)


257420431061. Hildegarde De FERRETTE 415,2755 was born about 882 in Ferrette, Haut-Rhin, Alsace, France.

Hildegarde married Hugues I Count Of LOWER-ALSACE 2755 about 899 of Nordgau Region, Medieval States. Hugues was born in 880 in Alsace, France 2755 and died in 940 2755 at age 60. Another name for Hugues was Hugo IV Von Hohenburg Count Of NORDGAU.

257420431062. Adalbert III (Adalhard) Count Von METZ,415,2755 son of Gerhard I Count Von METZ and Uda (Oda) Von SAXONY, was born about 890 in Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France and died in 940 2755 about age 50.

Adalbert married Luitgarde D' ARDENNES.2755 Luitgarde was born about 890 in Ardennes, Champagne-Ardenne, France.

The child from this marriage was:

128710215531       i.  Luitgarde (Bertha) Von METZ (born about 915 in Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France)


257420431063. Luitgarde D' ARDENNES,415,2755 daughter of Voiry Comte D' ARDENNES and Cunigunde, was born about 890 in Ardennes, Champagne-Ardenne, France.

Luitgarde married Adalbert III (Adalhard) Count Von METZ.2755 Adalbert was born about 890 in Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France and died in 940 2755 about age 50.

257420431064. Udo Count Of WETTERAU,415,1601,1746,2287 son of Duke Of Lorraine Gebhard Count Of WETTERAU and Unknown, was born in 890 in Wetter River Valley, Hesse, Germany and died on 2 December 949 at age 59.

General Notes: [Herbert I Count of Gleiberg was son of] Udo, Count in the Wetterau, by his wife a daughter of Herbert I, Count of Vermandois. [Ancestral Roots]

Note: I have Herbert as grandson of Udo; and the latest edition of ES, according to Alan Wilson, does not have Herbert as a descendant of Udo at all.

Udo married Countess Of Wetterau Cunegundis De VERMANDOIS,1601,2287,2952 daughter of Hubert I De Caroling, First Count Of VERMANDOIS AND SENLIS and Countess Of Vermandois Bertha (Beatrice) De MORVOIS, before 1068. Cunegundis was born about 892 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France and died on 12 December 949 about age 57.

Children from this marriage were:

128710215532       i.  Konrad Count Of RHEINGAU (born in 910 in Schwaben, Germany)

                  ii.  Judith Countess Of WETTERAU was born in 934 in Wetter River Valley, Hesse, Germany and died on 16 October 973 at age 39.

                 iii.  Gebhard Count Of The WETTERAU was born in 912 in , , Schwaben, Bavaria and died in 938 at age 26.

                  iv.  Udo Count Of The WETTERAU was born in 916 in Of, Wetterau, , Germany and died on 15 July 982 in Killed at age 66.


257420431065. Countess Of Wetterau Cunegundis De VERMANDOIS,415,1601,1746,2287,2952 daughter of Hubert I De Caroling, First Count Of VERMANDOIS AND SENLIS and Countess Of Vermandois Bertha (Beatrice) De MORVOIS, was born about 892 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France and died on 12 December 949 about age 57.

General Notes: daughter of Herbert I, Count of Vermandois. [Ancestral Roots]

Cunegundis married Udo Count Of WETTERAU,1601,2287 son of Duke Of Lorraine Gebhard Count Of WETTERAU and Unknown, before 1068. Udo was born in 890 in Wetter River Valley, Hesse, Germany and died on 2 December 949 at age 59.

257420431066. Adalbert Count Von MARCHTAL 415,1784 was born about 895 in Germany and died from 6 February 953 to 954 1784 about age 58.

Adalbert married Miss Von ZURICHGAU,1784,2523 daughter of Ulrich V Count Of ARGENGAU and Wendelgarde Of SAXONY. Miss was born about 910 in Zurich, Switzerland. Another name for Miss was Miss Von ARGENGAU.

The child from this marriage was:

128710215533       i.  Judith (Jutta) Von MARCHTAL (born about 930 in Zurich, Switzerland - died in 992)


257420431067. Miss Von ZURICHGAU,415,1784,2523 daughter of Ulrich V Count Of ARGENGAU and Wendelgarde Of SAXONY, was born about 910 in Zurich, Switzerland. Another name for Miss was Miss Von ARGENGAU.

Miss married Adalbert Count Von MARCHTAL.1784 Adalbert was born about 895 in Germany and died from 6 February 953 to 954 1784 about age 58.

257420431070. Godefroi, Count Palatine Of LORRAINE,415,1444,1784,2323 son of Gerhard I Count Von METZ and Uda (Oda) Von SAXONY, was born in 937 in Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France and died in 1005 at age 68. Other names for Godefroi, were Godfrey, and Gottfreid.

Godefroi, married Ermentrude Princess Of FRANCE, daughter of Charles III "The Simple" King Of FRANCE and Frédérune HAMALANT. Ermentrude was born about 908 in France.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Gerhard Count Von METZ was born about 927 in Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France.

128710215535      ii.  Gerberge Of LORRAINE (born about 930 in Lorraine, France - died about 995)


257420431071. Ermentrude Princess Of FRANCE,415,1444 daughter of Charles III "The Simple" King Of FRANCE and Frédérune HAMALANT, was born about 908 in France.

Ermentrude married Godefroi, Count Palatine Of LORRAINE,1784 son of Gerhard I Count Von METZ and Uda (Oda) Von SAXONY. Godefroi, was born in 937 in Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France and died in 1005 at age 68. Other names for Godefroi, were Godfrey, and Gottfreid.

257420431096. Asperling De VAUDREUIL 415,1778 was born in 911 in France.

Asperling married Sprota (Sporta) De SENLIS,1601,2736,2739,2740 daughter of Hubert Comte De SENLIS and Mrs-Hubert Count Of SENLIS, after 942 in 2ND Husband. Sprota was born about 911 in Bretagne, Normandy and died about 972 about age 61. Other names for Sprota were Espriota De BRETAGNE, and Sprota De ST. LIS.

257420431097. Sprota (Sporta) De SENLIS,415,1601,1746,2736,2739,2740 daughter of Hubert Comte De SENLIS and Mrs-Hubert Count Of SENLIS, was born about 911 in Bretagne, Normandy and died about 972 about age 61. Other names for Sprota were Espriota De BRETAGNE, and Sprota De ST. LIS.

General Notes:
Curt Hofemann, in a post-em, indicates many people have doubts about Sprota's noble birth:

Sprota [Ref: ES III:694A] note: I have numerous notes on her (lack of) ancestry which I think I've previously provided. If I've not, let me know & I will gladly share them... Curt

Raoul/Rudolf/Ralph, count of Ivry, is the uterine brother of Richard I of Normandy, son of William. ("This was given by Dudo based on information supplied to him by Raoul himself, so is perfectly reliable", as Todd's mentioned.) But my understanding has always been that Raoul was the son of Sprota/Esporta de Bretagne/Senlis not by William Longsword but by Asperling/Esperlingus/Eperling. [Ref: Christopher Nash message to Gen-Medieval 15 Apr 2002 discussing an error in KSB Keats-Rohan's Domesday People. TAF (Todd A Farmerie) in response confirmed the above] note: she was NOT de Senlis and as far as "de Bretagne" see below... Curt

While this speculation is certainly possible, the alternative is likewise possible, that being that she was just some cute looking Breton peasant that William took a liking to. That, however, provides no opportunity for further genealogical research, so tends to pale in comparison to the possibility of attaching her to some noble house. My gut reaction is that, considering her son Ralph (d'Ivry) was one of the main sources of the norman historian Dudo, yet no such important connection was mentioned, she likely did not have any hereditary recomendations (sic) when chosen by Longsword. [Ref: TAF 9 Dec 2002]

Regards,
Curt

Sprota married William I "Longsword" Duke Of NORMANDY 1601,2078,2735 after 930 in 1st Wife (Danish Wife/Non Christian Marriage).2736 William was born about 891 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 2736 and died on 17 December 942 in Killed At Picardy, France 1436,2078,2738 about age 51. The cause of his death was Murdered 943. Other names for William were Longue Épée=Long Sword, Guillaume I, and Dec De NORMANDIE.

Sprota next married Asperling De VAUDREUIL 1778 after 942 in 2ND Husband. Asperling was born in 911 in France.

Sprota next married Afperlang 1601 in <Bretagne, Indre, France>. Afperlang was born in <Bretagne, Indre, France> and died in Y.

Sprota next married Nigel De St. SAUVEUR. Nigel was born about 911.

257420431098. Canville De CAUX 415,1778 was born about 915 in Pays-DE-Caux, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.

Canville married.

The child from this marriage was:

128710215549       i.  Erneburge De CAUX (born about 945 in Pays-DE-Caux, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France - died before 989)


257420431100. Robert I De PERONNE,415,2953 son of Bernard (Bormard) Comte De SENLIS and Unknown, was born about 965 in Senlis, Oise, Picardy, France and died after 1034 in Peronne, Somme, Picardy, France.

Robert married.

The child from this marriage was:

128710215550       i.  Berengal De SENLIS (born in 975 in Senlis, Oise, Picardy, France)

Robert married Adelise (Heloise) De PERONNE.2953 Adelise was born about 995 in Peronne, Somme, Picardy, France.

The child from this marriage was:

                   i.  Robert II Comte De PERONNE was born about 1025 in Peronne, Somme, Picardy, France and died about 1080 1946 about age 55.


257420433408. Gwynnan Ap GWYNNOG,505,1034 son of Gwynnog "Farfsych" Ap LLES and Unknown, was born about 900 in Powys, Wales.1034

Gwynnan married.

The child from this marriage was:

128710216704       i.  Gwaithfoed "Fawr" Ap GWYNNAN Lord Of Powys (born about 922 in Powys, Wales)


257420433410. Ynyr "Ddu" Ap DYFNWAL King Of Gwent,505 son of Dyfnwal Ap EDNYFED Of Dyfed and Unknown, was born about 895 in Gwent, Monmouthshire, Wales. Another name for Ynyr was Ynyr DDU King Of Gwent.

Ynyr married.

The child from this marriage was:

128710216705       i.  Morfudd Verch YNYR (born about 925 in Gwent, Monmouthshire, Wales)


257420433412. Brochwel 505,1034 was born about 900 in Wales.1034

Brochwel married.

The child from this marriage was:

128710216706       i.  Cadell Ap BROCHWEL (born in 928 in Wales)


257420433416. Hywel "Ddu\The Good" Ap CADELL King Of Wales,505,1034,2297,2527,2954 son of Cadell Ap RHODRI Prince Of Deheubarth and Rheingar, was born in 887 in Dynevor Castle, Carmarthenshire, Wales 1034 and died in 950 1034,2954 at age 63.

General Notes:
Hywell "Ddu" ("The Good"), King of Wales. [Burke's Peerage]

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The following is an excerpt from a post to SGM, 15 Mar 2003, by Leo van de Pas:

From: "Leo van de Pas" (leovdpas@bigpond.com)
Subject: Re: Rhys ap Tewdwr Mawr
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2003-03-15 22:24:27 PST

According to Burke's Guide to the Royal Family (pages 323 and 324) the father is your nr.2 but here he is Tewdwr ap Cadell.

Hywel Dda (dda = the Good)
King of All Wales
succeeded as King of Dyfed jure uxoris ca.904. King of Seiswyllwg 909, king of Gwynedd 942. He did homage to King Edward the Elder in 918 and to King Athelstan in 926. Went on a pilgrimage to Rome in 928, was the only Welsh ruler to mint his own coinage of silver pennies. Married circa 904, Elen, daughter and heiress of Llywarch ap Hyfaidd, King of Dyfedd, and died in 950, leaving issue

Rhodri, died 953
Edwin, died 954
Owain

Hywel married Elen Verch LLYWARCH,1034,2297 daughter of Llywarch Ap HYFAIDD King Of Dyfedd and Unknown, about 904.2297 Elen was born in 890 in Dyfed, Wales 1034 and died in 943 1034 at age 53.

Children from this marriage were:

128710216708       i.  Owain Ap HYWEL King Of Deheubarth (born in 913 in Dynevor Castle, Llandyfeisant, Carmarthenshire, Wales - died in 989)

128710216797      ii.  Angharad Verch HYWEL (born about 907 in Dynev, Llan, Carmarthenshire, Wales)


257420433417. Elen Verch LLYWARCH,505,1034,2297 daughter of Llywarch Ap HYFAIDD King Of Dyfedd and Unknown, was born in 890 in Dyfed, Wales 1034 and died in 943 1034 at age 53.

Elen married Hywel "Ddu\The Good" Ap CADELL King Of Wales,1034,2297,2527,2954 son of Cadell Ap RHODRI Prince Of Deheubarth and Rheingar, about 904.2297 Hywel was born in 887 in Dynevor Castle, Carmarthenshire, Wales 1034 and died in 950 1034,2954 at age 63.

257420433418. Llywelyn Ap MERFYN,505,1034 son of Merfyn Ap RHODRI King Of Powys and Unknown, was born in 880 in Llandeilo, Carmarthenshire, Wales.1034

Llywelyn married.

The child from this marriage was:

128710216709       i.  Angharad Verch LLEWELYN (born in 918 in Llandeilo, Carmarthenshire, Wales)


257420433440. Gwaithfoed "Fawr" Ap GWYNNAN Lord Of Powys,505,1034 son of Gwynnan Ap GWYNNOG and Unknown, was born about 922 in Powys, Wales.1034

Gwaithfoed married Morfudd Verch YNYR, daughter of Ynyr "Ddu" Ap DYFNWAL King Of Gwent and Unknown. Morfudd was born about 925 in Gwent, Monmouthshire, Wales.

257420433441. Morfudd Verch YNYR,505 daughter of Ynyr "Ddu" Ap DYFNWAL King Of Gwent and Unknown, was born about 925 in Gwent, Monmouthshire, Wales.

Morfudd married Gwaithfoed "Fawr" Ap GWYNNAN Lord Of Powys,1034 son of Gwynnan Ap GWYNNOG and Unknown. Gwaithfoed was born about 922 in Powys, Wales.1034

257420433448. Cynwrig Ap Cynddelw,1034 son of Cynddelw "Gam" Ap Elgudy and Unknown, was born about 886 in North Wales.1034

Cynwrig married.

The child from this marriage was:

128710216772       i.  Pill Ap Cynwrig (born about 930 in North Wales)

Cynwrig next married.

The child from this marriage was:

128710216724       i.  Marchan Ap Cynwrig (born about 928 in Efenechtid, Denbighshire, Wales)

Cynwrig next married.

The child from this marriage was:

                   i.  Gweirydd Ap Cynwrig was born about 936 in North Wales.1034


257420433456. Llywelyn "Eurdorchog" Ap Coel,1034 son of Coel Ap Gweirydd and Unknown, was born about 1030 in Denbighshire, Wales.1034

Llywelyn married Efa Ferch Bleddyn,1034 daughter of Bleddyn "Sais" Ap CYNFYN Prince Of Powys and Unknown. Efa was born about 1058 in Montgomeryshire, Wales.1034

Children from this marriage were:

128710216728       i.  Iorwerth Ap Llywelyn (born about 1080 in Denbighshire, Wales)

                  ii.  Ithel "Felyn" Ap Llywelyn was born about 1083 in Denbighshire, Wales.1034


257420433457. Efa Ferch Bleddyn,1034 daughter of Bleddyn "Sais" Ap CYNFYN Prince Of Powys and Unknown, was born about 1058 in Montgomeryshire, Wales.1034

Efa married Llywelyn "Eurdorchog" Ap Coel,1034 son of Coel Ap Gweirydd and Unknown. Llywelyn was born about 1030 in Denbighshire, Wales.1034

257420433464. Hwfa Ap Ithel,1034 son of Ithel "Felyn" Ap Llywelyn and Lleucu Ferch Hwfa, was born in Denbighshire, Wales.1034

Hwfa married Yslani Ferch Gruffudd,1034 daughter of Gruffudd Ap CYNAN King Of Gwynedd and Ferch Llychwy. Yslani was born about 1104 in Caernarvonshire, Wales.1034

The child from this marriage was:

128710216732       i.  Gronwy Ap Hwfa (born in Denbighshire, Wales)


257420433465. Yslani Ferch Gruffudd,1034 daughter of Gruffudd Ap CYNAN King Of Gwynedd and Ferch Llychwy, was born about 1104 in Caernarvonshire, Wales.1034

Yslani married Hwfa Ap Ithel,1034 son of Ithel "Felyn" Ap Llywelyn and Lleucu Ferch Hwfa. Hwfa was born in Denbighshire, Wales.1034

257420433472. Cuhelyn Ap Ifor,1034 son of Ifor Ap Seferws and Isabel Ferch Tryffin, was born about 959 in Powys, Wales.1034

Cuhelyn married Gwen Ferch Gronwy,1034 daughter of Gronwy Ap Tudur and Tangwystl Ferch Dyfnwal. Gwen was born about 962 in Denbighshire, Wales.1034

The child from this marriage was:

128710216736       i.  Elystan "Glodrydd" Ap Cuhelyn (born about 982 in Radnorshire, Wales - buried in Trelystan, Montgomeryshire, Wales)


257420433473. Gwen Ferch Gronwy,1034 daughter of Gronwy Ap Tudur and Tangwystl Ferch Dyfnwal, was born about 962 in Denbighshire, Wales.1034

Gwen married Cuhelyn Ap Ifor,1034 son of Ifor Ap Seferws and Isabel Ferch Tryffin. Cuhelyn was born about 959 in Powys, Wales.1034

257420433474. Einion Ap OWAIN,247,505,1034,2297 son of Owain Ap HYWEL King Of Deheubarth and Angharad Verch LLEWELYN, was born about 933 in Deheubarth, Wales 1034 and died in 984 in Gwent, Monmouthshire, Wales (Dvp) 247,1034,2297 about age 51.

Einion married Nesta Of DEVON.1034 Nesta was born about 934 in Devonshire, England.1034

257420433475. Nesta Of DEVON 505,1034 was born about 934 in Devonshire, England.1034

Nesta married Einion Ap OWAIN,247,1034,2297 son of Owain Ap HYWEL King Of Deheubarth and Angharad Verch LLEWELYN. Einion was born about 933 in Deheubarth, Wales 1034 and died in 984 in Gwent, Monmouthshire, Wales (Dvp) 247,1034,2297 about age 51.

257420433478. Maredudd Ap OWAIN,505,1034,2294,2295 son of Owain Ap HYWEL King Of Deheubarth and Angharad Verch LLEWELYN, was born in 938 in Dynevor Castle, Carmarthenshire, Wales 1034 and died in 999 1034,2295 at age 61.

Maredudd married Miss Verch LLANDILO. Miss was born in 943 in Llandeilo, Carmarthenshire, Wales.

Maredudd next married.

Maredudd next married.

257420433504. Owain Ap HYWEL King Of Deheubarth,247,505,1034,1117,2297 son of Hywel "Ddu\The Good" Ap CADELL King Of Wales and Elen Verch LLYWARCH, was born in 913 in Dynevor Castle, Llandyfeisant, Carmarthenshire, Wales 1034 and died in 989 247 at age 76.

General Notes:
Owain and his two brothers, Rhodri, d. 953, & Edwin, d. 954, were jointly kings of Deheubarth (Seisyllwg and Dyfed). The youngest, Owain, was sole king from 954.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 988. 2297

Owain married Angharad Verch LLEWELYN.1034 Angharad was born in 918 in Llandeilo, Carmarthenshire, Wales.1034

257420433505. Angharad Verch LLEWELYN,505,1034 daughter of Llywelyn Ap MERFYN and Unknown, was born in 918 in Llandeilo, Carmarthenshire, Wales.1034

Angharad married Owain Ap HYWEL King Of Deheubarth 247,1034,1117.,2297 Owain was born in 913 in Dynevor Castle, Llandyfeisant, Carmarthenshire, Wales 1034 and died in 989 247 at age 76.

257420433536. Idwal "Foel" Ap ANARAWD,505,1034,1386 son of Anarawd Ap RHODRI Prince Of Gwynedd and Anarawd Ap Rhodri, was born about 883 in Aberffro, Malltraeth, Anglesey, Wales 1034 and died in 940 in (Slain In Battle With Danes) 1034,1386 about age 57.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 942.

Idwal married Mereddon Verch CADWR,1034 daughter of Cadwr Ap CADWR and Unknown, in 1st Wife. Mereddon was born about 887 in Gwynedd, Wales.1034

The child from this marriage was:

128710216798       i.  Iago Ab IDWAL (born about 908 in Gwynedd, Wales - died in 979)

Idwal next married Afandreg Verch MERFYN,1386 daughter of Merfyn Ap RHODRI King Of Powys and Unknown, before 919 in 2ND Wife. Afandreg was born about 891 in Caer Seiont, Carnarvonshire, Wales.

The child from this marriage was:

128710216768       i.  Meurig Ab IDWAL "Foel" (born about 920 in Aberffro, Malltraeth, Anglesey, Wales - died in 986)


257420433537. Afandreg Verch MERFYN,505,1386 daughter of Merfyn Ap RHODRI King Of Powys and Unknown, was born about 891 in Caer Seiont, Carnarvonshire, Wales.

Afandreg married Idwal "Foel" Ap ANARAWD,1034,1386 son of Anarawd Ap RHODRI Prince Of Gwynedd and Anarawd Ap Rhodri, before 919 in 2ND Wife. Idwal was born about 883 in Aberffro, Malltraeth, Anglesey, Wales 1034 and died in 940 in (Slain In Battle With Danes) 1034,1386 about age 57.

257420433544. Cynwrig Ap Cynddelw,1034 son of Cynddelw "Gam" Ap Elgudy and Unknown, was born about 886 in North Wales.1034

Cynwrig married.

Cynwrig next married.

Cynwrig next married.

257420433552. Sitric (Sygtrygg) Caoch King Of York & DUBLIN,505,2526,2955 son of Sitric (Sygtrygg) King Of DUBLIN and Unknown, was born about 874 in Dublin, Ireland and died in 927 in York, Yorkshire, England 2956 about age 53. Another name for Sitric was Sitric (Sygtrygg) Caoch King Of YORK & Dublin.

Sitric married Edith (Edgyth) Princess Of ENGLAND,2957 daughter of Edward "The Elder" West Saxon King Of ENGLAND and Ecgwyn, on 30 July 925 in Tamworth, Staffordshire, England.2957 Edith was born about 898 in Wessex, England and died in 937 2957 about age 39.

The child from this marriage was:

128710216776       i.  Olaf Cuarajn Sitricsson King Of York & DUBLIN (born before 928 in Dublin, Ireland - died in 981 in Iona, Ireland)

Sitric next married Unknown First WIFE. Unknown was born about 880 in Ireland.

The child from this marriage was:

                   i.  Harald (Aralt) King Of LIMERICK was born about 897 in Dublin, Ireland and died in 940 in Limerick, Ireland 2958 about age 43.


257420433553. Edith (Edgyth) Princess Of ENGLAND,415,505,2957 daughter of Edward "The Elder" West Saxon King Of ENGLAND and Ecgwyn, was born about 898 in Wessex, England and died in 937 2957 about age 39.

Edith married Sitric (Sygtrygg) Caoch King Of York & DUBLIN,2526,2955 son of Sitric (Sygtrygg) King Of DUBLIN and Unknown, on 30 July 925 in Tamworth, Staffordshire, England.2957 Sitric was born about 874 in Dublin, Ireland and died in 927 in York, Yorkshire, England 2956 about age 53. Another name for Sitric was Sitric (Sygtrygg) Caoch King Of YORK & Dublin.

257420433554. Murchad Mac Finn King Of LEINSTER,505,2762 son of Find Na LEINSTER and Unknown, was born about 915 in Leinster, Ireland and died in 972 2762 about age 57.

Murchad married Miss Na CONNACHT. Miss was born about 930 in Ireland.

The child from this marriage was:

128710216777       i.  Gormflaith Ingen Murchada Mac Finn Of LEINSTER (born about 950 in Leinster, Ireland - died in 1030 in Kincora, Munster, Ireland)


257420433555. Miss Na CONNACHT 505 was born about 930 in Ireland.

Miss married Murchad Mac Finn King Of LEINSTER,2762 son of Find Na LEINSTER and Unknown. Murchad was born about 915 in Leinster, Ireland and died in 972 2762 about age 57.

257420433556. Cineadh Na MUNSTER,415,505 son of Lorcan Na MUNSTER and Unknown, was born in 926 in Kincora, Munster, Ireland and died in 951 at age 25.

Cineadh married Be Bind O'FLAHERTY. Be was born about 910 in Ireland.

The child from this marriage was:

128710216778       i.  Brian Boroimhe Na Munster King Of IRELAND (born in 942 in Kincora, Munster, Ireland - died on 23 April 1014 in Battle Of Clontarf, Dublin, Ireland)


257420433557. Be Bind O'FLAHERTY,415,505 daughter of Aurchad O'FLAHERTY and Unknown, was born about 910 in Ireland.

Be married Cineadh Na MUNSTER. Cineadh was born in 926 in Kincora, Munster, Ireland and died in 951 at age 25.

257420433558. Charllus Ui Aeda ODBA,415,505 son of Ailill Ui Aeda ODBA and Unknown, was born about 910 in Eireann, Ireland.

Charllus married.

The child from this marriage was:

128710216779       i.  Eachraidh Ui Aeda ODBA (born about 947 in Eireann, Ireland - died about 980)


257420433560. Ugaire King Of LEINSTER,505 son of Ollilol King Of LEINSTER and Unknown, was born in 860 in Leinster, Ireland and died in 915 at age 55.

Ugaire married.

The child from this marriage was:

128710216780       i.  Tuathal King Of LEINSTER (born in 890 in Leinster, Ireland - died in 956)


257420433584. Clodien Ap GWRYDR Of Powys,505 son of Gwrydr Ap CARADOG Of Powys and Unknown, was born about 894 in Powys, Wales.

General Notes: Note: The ancestry is a little confused at this point. Apparently 'Ancestors of Evelyn Wood Keeler', indicated below agrees with the way I have it, with Clodien marrying Morfydd verch Owain. but the 'Annals & Antiquities of Wales' has Morfydd, born about the same time, marrying Clodien's father, Gwrydr, and was thus not Gwaithfoed's mother, but his grandmother. Since the latter would make Gwaithfoed born much later, this scheme goes hand-in-hand with Gwaithfoed living more contemporaneously with Harold than with Edgar of England. (see notes under Gwaithfoed). I have tried to muddle through supporting both an early and late Gwaithfoed, so I am leaving Morfydd as married to Clodien.

All of the following information came from Jane Williams Flank, World Connect db=jwflank, rootsweb.com:

Sources:

Ancestors of Evelyn Wood Keeler; Josephine C Frost {1939}, p. 425
Note: Cites as references for Welsh lineages: Royal Families of England, Scotland, Wales: Volume I & 2; Genealogical Tables of the Sovereigns of the World; Maunder's Biographical Treasures; Universial Biography; etc.

Clodien married Morfydd Verch OWAIN, daughter of Owain Ap TEITHWAL and Unknown. Morfydd was born about 920 in Wales.

The child from this marriage was:

128710216792       i.  Gwaithfoed "Fawr" Ap CLODIEN Of Powys (born about 964 in Powys, Wales - died in 1057)


257420433585. Morfydd Verch OWAIN,505 daughter of Owain Ap TEITHWAL and Unknown, was born about 920 in Wales.

Morfydd married Clodien Ap GWRYDR Of Powys, son of Gwrydr Ap CARADOG Of Powys and Unknown. Clodien was born about 894 in Powys, Wales.

257420433594. Hywel "Ddu\The Good" Ap CADELL King Of Wales,505,1034,2297,2527,2954 son of Cadell Ap RHODRI Prince Of Deheubarth and Rheingar, was born in 887 in Dynevor Castle, Carmarthenshire, Wales 1034 and died in 950 1034,2954 at age 63.

General Notes:
Hywell "Ddu" ("The Good"), King of Wales. [Burke's Peerage]

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The following is an excerpt from a post to SGM, 15 Mar 2003, by Leo van de Pas:

From: "Leo van de Pas" (leovdpas@bigpond.com)
Subject: Re: Rhys ap Tewdwr Mawr
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2003-03-15 22:24:27 PST

According to Burke's Guide to the Royal Family (pages 323 and 324) the father is your nr.2 but here he is Tewdwr ap Cadell.

Hywel Dda (dda = the Good)
King of All Wales
succeeded as King of Dyfed jure uxoris ca.904. King of Seiswyllwg 909, king of Gwynedd 942. He did homage to King Edward the Elder in 918 and to King Athelstan in 926. Went on a pilgrimage to Rome in 928, was the only Welsh ruler to mint his own coinage of silver pennies. Married circa 904, Elen, daughter and heiress of Llywarch ap Hyfaidd, King of Dyfedd, and died in 950, leaving issue

Rhodri, died 953
Edwin, died 954
Owain

Hywel married Elen Verch LLYWARCH 1034,2297 about 904.2297 Elen was born in 890 in Dyfed, Wales 1034 and died in 943 1034 at age 53.

257420433595. Elen Verch LLYWARCH,505,1034,2297 daughter of Llywarch Ap HYFAIDD King Of Dyfedd and Unknown, was born in 890 in Dyfed, Wales 1034 and died in 943 1034 at age 53.

Elen married Hywel "Ddu\The Good" Ap CADELL King Of Wales 1034,2297,2527,2954 about 904.2297 Hywel was born in 887 in Dynevor Castle, Carmarthenshire, Wales 1034 and died in 950 1034,2954 at age 63.

257420433596. Idwal "Foel" Ap ANARAWD,505,1034,1386 son of Anarawd Ap RHODRI Prince Of Gwynedd and Anarawd Ap Rhodri, was born about 883 in Aberffro, Malltraeth, Anglesey, Wales 1034 and died in 940 in (Slain In Battle With Danes) 1034,1386 about age 57.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 942.

Idwal married Mereddon Verch CADWR,1034 daughter of Cadwr Ap CADWR and Unknown, in 1st Wife. Mereddon was born about 887 in Gwynedd, Wales.1034

Idwal next married Afandreg Verch MERFYN,1386 daughter of Merfyn Ap RHODRI King Of Powys and Unknown, before 919 in 2ND Wife. Afandreg was born about 891 in Caer Seiont, Carnarvonshire, Wales.

257420433597. Mereddon Verch CADWR,505,1034 daughter of Cadwr Ap CADWR and Unknown, was born about 887 in Gwynedd, Wales.1034

Mereddon married Idwal "Foel" Ap ANARAWD,1034,1386 son of Anarawd Ap RHODRI Prince Of Gwynedd and Anarawd Ap Rhodri, in 1st Wife. Idwal was born about 883 in Aberffro, Malltraeth, Anglesey, Wales 1034 and died in 940 in (Slain In Battle With Danes) 1034,1386 about age 57.

257420433600. Ednywain Ap Bleddyn,1034 son of Bleddyn Ap Bledrus and Unknown, was born about 900 in Powys, Wales.1034

Ednywain married.

The child from this marriage was:

128710216800       i.  Gollwyn Ap Ednywain (born about 919 in Powys, Wales)


257420433616. Ednowain 505 was born in 913 in Wales.

Ednowain married.

The child from this marriage was:

128710216808       i.  Seisyll Ap EDNYWAIN (born in 938 in Wales)


257420433618. Elise Ap ANARAWD,505,1034 son of Anarawd Ap RHODRI Prince Of Gwynedd and Unknown, was born in 885 in Aberffro, Malltraeth, Anglesey, Wales 1034 and died in 942 in Wales at age 57.

Elise married.

Elise married Elise Ap Anarawd.1034 Elise was born about 900 in Aberffro, Anglesey, Wales.1034

The child from this marriage was:

128710216809       i.  Prawst Verch ELISE (born about 940 in Gwynedd, Wales)


257420433619. Elise Ap Anarawd 505,1034 was born about 900 in Aberffro, Anglesey, Wales.1034

Elise married Elise Ap ANARAWD,1034 son of Anarawd Ap RHODRI Prince Of Gwynedd and Unknown. Elise was born in 885 in Aberffro, Malltraeth, Anglesey, Wales 1034 and died in 942 in Wales at age 57.

257420433632. Ifor Ap SEFERWS 505 was born about 882 of Powys, Wales.

Ifor married Isabel Verch TRYFFIN. Isabel was born about 886 of Powys, Wales.

The child from this marriage was:

128710216816       i.  Cuhelyn Ab IFOR (born in 907 of Powys, Wales)


257420433633. Isabel Verch TRYFFIN 505 was born about 886 of Powys, Wales.

Isabel married Ifor Ap SEFERWS. Ifor was born about 882 of Powys, Wales.

257420433634. Gronwy Ap TEWDWR,505 son of Tewdwr Ap YNYR Lord Of Hereford and Angharad Verch HYWEL, was born about 924 in Denbighshire, Wales.

Gronwy married.

Gronwy married Tangwystl Verch DYFNWAL. Tangwystl was born about 924 in Denbighshire, Wales.

The child from this marriage was:

128710216817       i.  Gwen Verch GRONWY (born about 940 in Denbighshire, Wales)


257420433635. Tangwystl Verch DYFNWAL 505 was born about 924 in Denbighshire, Wales.

Tangwystl married Gronwy Ap TEWDWR, son of Tewdwr Ap YNYR Lord Of Hereford and Angharad Verch HYWEL. Gronwy was born about 924 in Denbighshire, Wales.

257420433640. Idwallon Ap MORGAN Of Morgannwg,505 son of Morgan "Mawr" "Hen" Ap OWAIN and Lleucu Verch ENFLEW, was born before 930 in Morgannwg, Gwlad, Wales.

Idwallon married.

The child from this marriage was:

128710216820       i.  Ithel Ab IDWALLON Of Morgannwg (born about 953 in Morgannwg, Gwlad, Wales - died in 1042)


257420434304. Rutpert II Count Of Upper Rhine & WORMSGAU,415,1601,1746,2959 son of Thüringbert (Thurincbertus) WORMSGAU and Mrs. Thuringbert WORMSGAU, was born about 760 in Worms, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany and died on 12 July 807 2959 about age 47.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, Bef 770. 2959

Rutpert married Theoderata (Tiedrada) Of WORMSGAU 1601,2959 in 1st Wife.2959 Theoderata was born about 770 and died in 789 2959 about age 19.

The child from this marriage was:

128710217152       i.  Count Of Ober-Rheingau Rutpert (Robert) III Of WORMSGAU (born about 789 in Worms, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany - died in 834)


257420434305. Theoderata (Tiedrada) Of WORMSGAU 415,1601,1746,2959 was born about 770 and died in 789 2959 about age 19.

Theoderata married Rutpert II Count Of Upper Rhine & WORMSGAU,1601,2959 son of Thüringbert (Thurincbertus) WORMSGAU and Mrs. Thuringbert WORMSGAU, in 1st Wife.2959 Rutpert was born about 760 in Worms, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany and died on 12 July 807 2959 about age 47.

257420434306. William I Count Of TOULOUSE Saint,415,662,1529,1601,1746,2766,2960,2961,2962,2963,2964,2965 son of Thierry (Theodoric) Count Of AUTUN and Auda (Aldane) MARTEL, was born about 751 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France 2563 and died on 28 May 812 in Gellone Monastery, Aniane, Herault, Languedoc, France 2563,2766 about age 61. Other names for William were St. Guilhem Or St. William, and William I Count Of AUTUN.

General Notes:
St. William, (Gellone, Isaac), Count of Toulouse and Gellone, Marquis of Septimania 790-c.822. Founder of the Abbey of Gellone; his banner bore on its field one or more lions (of Judah?) [Descents From Antiquity; The Augustan Society, Inc., Torrance, CA, 1986; chart W-5]

Son of Thierry, Count of Autun, and Aude of Francia; m. Guibour of Hornbach; father of Bernard, Marquis of Septimania. [GRS 3.03, Automated Archives, CD#100]

Count of Toulouse; son of Theodoric and Aldane; m. Auberge; father of Bernard, Count de Toulouse, who m. Duodene, dau. of Charlemagne. [The Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 4]

Count of Toulouse; father of Wialdruth. [Ancestral Roots, p. 50]

The Frankish protectorate extended naturally from positions north of the Pyrenees. The key figure was Count Guilhem of Toulouse (d. 812), a cousin of Charlemagne, whose first wife was probably a Visigoth, and who retired to the monastic life in 806 (he was later canonized) after valiant campaigns against the Moors. From his time date monastic foundations at Arles, Sant Andreu de Dureda, and Sant Genis de Fontanes in the Vallespir and the restoration of Gerri in upper Pallars; in most of these may be discerned the influence of the reformed Frankish observance of Benedict of Aniane. Saint Guilhem and his sons, in shifting and turbulent combinations, administered nine of the fourteen counties that later constituted Catalonia. [The Medieval Crown of Aragon, p. 19-21]

Son of Albane/Aube de Herstal (de Francie) and Theodoric (Thierry) IV D'Autun (or de Razes) aka Makir Abibai; m. Guibourg de Herbauges (Hornbach) D'Austrasie; m. Cunegonde D'Austrasie. [Patrick de Sercey <pdes@bellsouth.net, 3 Feb 2002]

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 844. 1529

William married Gilbour Of HORNBACH, daughter of Lambert I Count Of HORNBACH and Unknown, in 1st Wife. Gilbour was born about 760 in Hornbach, Prussia and died before 803.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Queen Bertha Of TOULOUSE was born in 777 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France 2742 and died in Y.

                  ii.  Wialdruth Of TOULOUSE was born about 793 in Orleans, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France. Another name for Wialdruth was Wialdruth Of ORLEANS.

128710217153     iii.  Countess Wiltrud (Waltrada) Of TOULOUSE (born about 795 in <Of, , , France> - died in 812)

William next married Kunigunde (Auberge) 1529,2563 before 796 in 2ND Wife.1529 Kunigunde was born about 775 in France.

The child from this marriage was:

                   i.  Bernard I Count Of AUTUN Margrave Septimania was born before 804 in Autun, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France 2563 and died in 844 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France (Executed) 1529,2563. Another name for Bernard was Bernard I Margrave Of SEPTIMANIA.


257420434307. Gilbour Of HORNBACH,415 daughter of Lambert I Count Of HORNBACH and Unknown, was born about 760 in Hornbach, Prussia and died before 803.

Gilbour married William I Count Of TOULOUSE Saint,662,1529,1601,2766,2960,2961,2962,2963,2964,2965 son of Thierry (Theodoric) Count Of AUTUN and Auda (Aldane) MARTEL, in 1st Wife. William was born about 751 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France 2563 and died on 28 May 812 in Gellone Monastery, Aniane, Herault, Languedoc, France 2563,2766 about age 61. Other names for William were St. Guilhem Or St. William, and William I Count Of AUTUN.

257420434308. Luitfride II Count Of Upper ALSACE,415,505,1601,1746,1784,2966 son of Luitfride I Duke Of ALSACE and Edith Duchess Of ALSACE, was born in 740 in Alsace, Lorraine, France and died in 780 2966 at age 40.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, Bef 802. 1784

Luitfride married Hiltrude Countess Of Upper ALSACE 1601,1784,2966 in 764 in , , France. Hiltrude was born about 744 in Upper Alsace, France.

The child from this marriage was:

128710217154       i.  Hugues III Count Of Upper ALSACE (born in 765 in Upper, Alsace, France - died on 4 November 839 in Tours, Indre-Et-Loire, Touraine/Centre, France)


257420434309. Hiltrude Countess Of Upper ALSACE 415,505,1601,1746,1784,2966 was born about 744 in Upper Alsace, France.

Hiltrude married Luitfride II Count Of Upper ALSACE,1601,1784,2966 son of Luitfride I Duke Of ALSACE and Edith Duchess Of ALSACE, in 764 in , , France. Luitfride was born in 740 in Alsace, Lorraine, France and died in 780 2966 at age 40.

257420434312. Bernard I King Of ITALY,415,1444,1601,1746,2967,2968 son of Pépin (Carloman) King Of ITALY and Ingeltrude (Rothais\Chrothais) D' AUTUN, was born in 797 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France,2321,2968 died on 17 April 818 in Milan, Italy (Blinded By Louis I) 1436,2321,2547,2967,2968,2969 at age 21, and was buried in St Amrosius, Milan, Italy. Another name for Bernard was Bernard, King Of LOMBARDY.

Noted events in his life were:

• Distinguishing Marks: 818. 2970

Bernard married Cunigunde Of PARMA,1601,1784,2968 daughter of Adelgis Count Of PARMA and Unknown, in 813. Cunigunde was born about 797 in Parma, Italy and died after 15 June 835 1784,2968,2969. Other names for Cunigunde were Cunegonde, Cunigunde,2969 Kunigunde, and Cunigunde De GELLONE.

Children from this marriage were:

128710217156       i.  Pepin I, Count Of SENLIS, ST. QUENTIN, AND PERONNE (born in 817 in Vermandois, Normandy, France - died after 840 in Milan, -, Italy)

                  ii.  Kunigunde Of ITALY.


257420434313. Cunigunde Of PARMA,415,1444,1601,1746,1784,2968 daughter of Adelgis Count Of PARMA and Unknown, was born about 797 in Parma, Italy and died after 15 June 835 1784,2968,2969. Other names for Cunigunde were Cunegonde, Cunigunde,2969 Kunigunde, and Cunigunde De GELLONE.

Cunigunde married Bernard I King Of ITALY,1601,2967,2968 son of Pépin (Carloman) King Of ITALY and Ingeltrude (Rothais\Chrothais) D' AUTUN, in 813. Bernard was born in 797 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France,2321,2968 died on 17 April 818 in Milan, Italy (Blinded By Louis I) 1436,2321,2547,2967,2968,2969 at age 21, and was buried in St Amrosius, Milan, Italy. Another name for Bernard was Bernard, King Of LOMBARDY.

257420434314. Theoderic, Count Of VERMANDOIS 1444 was born about 805 and died after 876.

Theoderic, married.

The child from this marriage was:

128710217157       i.  Perrone Of VERMANDOIS (born about 830 in Of, , , France)


257420434318. Gerard De ROUSSILLON Count Of Paris,415,1444,2971 son of Lisiard De FEZENSAC and Unknown, was born about 800 in Roussillon, Isère, Rhône-Alpes, France and died in 877 2971 about age 77.

Gerard married Bertha De TOURS,2232 daughter of Hugues III Count Of Upper ALSACE and Ava Countess Of Upper ALSACE. Bertha was born about 800 in Tours, Indre-Et-Loire, Touraine/Centre, France.

The child from this marriage was:

128710217159       i.  Eve De ROUSSILLON (born about 830 in Roussillon, Isère, Rhône-Alpes, France)


257420434319. Bertha De TOURS,415,505,1444,2232 daughter of Hugues III Count Of Upper ALSACE and Ava Countess Of Upper ALSACE, was born about 800 in Tours, Indre-Et-Loire, Touraine/Centre, France.

Bertha married Gerard De ROUSSILLON Count Of Paris,2971 son of Lisiard De FEZENSAC and Unknown. Gerard was born about 800 in Roussillon, Isère, Rhône-Alpes, France and died in 877 2971 about age 77.

257420434320. Bruno Duke Of East SAXONY,415,505,1601,1746,1784 son of Wigbert Duke Of SAXONY and Ordrad, was born about 791 in Saxony, Germany and died in 843 in Saxony, Germany 1784 about age 52.

Bruno married Oda.1784 Oda was born about 795 in Germany.

The child from this marriage was:

128710217160       i.  Ludolph Duke Of SAXONY (born about 816 in Saxony, Germany - died on 12 March 865-866)


257420434321. Oda 415,505,1784 was born about 795 in Germany.

Oda married Bruno Duke Of East SAXONY,1601,1784 son of Wigbert Duke Of SAXONY and Ordrad. Bruno was born about 791 in Saxony, Germany and died in 843 in Saxony, Germany 1784 about age 52.

257420434322. Billung Of SAXONY 415,505,1784 was born in 780 in Thuringen, Saxony, Germany. Another name for Billung was Billung Of THURINGEN.

Billung married Aeda Of FRANKS.1784 Aeda was born in 784 in Saxony, Germany.

The child from this marriage was:

128710217161       i.  Oda Billung Of THURINGIA (born about 817 in Saxony, Germany - died on 17 May 913)


257420434323. Aeda Of FRANKS 415,505,1784 was born in 784 in Saxony, Germany.

Aeda married Billung Of SAXONY.1784 Billung was born in 780 in Thuringen, Saxony, Germany. Another name for Billung was Billung Of THURINGEN.

257420434324. Poppo I Count Of SAARGAU,415,505,1444,2318,2553 son of Heinrich Von OBERHEINGAU Count Of Bavaria and Hadaburg, was born about 790 in Saargau, Bavaria, Germany and died after 860 in Grabfeld, Bavaria, Germany. Other names for Poppo were Poppo I Count In GRABFELD, SAAGAU, and Poppo Count Of SAALGAU.1784

General Notes:
The following information is from a post-em by Curt Hoffeman, curt_hofemann@yahoo.com:

The earliest known ancestor of the Babenbergs was one Poppo, who early in the 9th century was count in Grapfeld, in the area between modern Hesse and Thuringia. One of his sons, Henry, sometimes called count of the march and duke in Franconia, fell fighting against the Normans in 886; another, Poppo, was count of the march in Thuringia from 880 to 892, when he was deposed by the German Carolingian king Arnulf of Carinthia. The family had been favoured by the emperor Charles the Fat, but Arnulf reversed this policy in favour of the rival family of the Conradines.

The leaders of the Babenbergs were the three sons of Duke Henry, who called themselves after their castle of Babenberg on the upper Main, round which their possessions centred.

The rivalry between the two families was intensified by their efforts to extend their authority in the region of the middle Main, and this quarrel, known as the "Babenberg feud," came to a head at the beginning of the 10th century during the troubled reign of the German king Louis the Child. Two of the Babenberg brothers were killed, and the survivor, Adalbert was summoned before the imperial court by the regent Hatto I, Archbishop of Mainz, a partisan Of the Conradines. He refused to appear, held his own for a time in his castle at Theres against the king's forces, but surrendered in 906, and in spite of a promise of safe-conduct was beheaded. [Ref: Wikipedia (who slightly rephrased it from the 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica online at: http://92.1911encyclopedia.org/B/BA/BABENBERG_FAMILY_.htm]

Poppo married.

Children from this marriage were:

128710217162       i.  Heinrich Of Thuringia, King Of AUSTRASIA Margrave In Friesland (born in 830 in Saargau, Bavaria, Germany - died on 28 August 886 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France (Slain In Battle))

                  ii.  Poppo II Count Of GRABFELD was born about 855 in Sorbenmark, Thuringia, Germany and died after 906 in Grabfeld, Bavaria, Germany. Another name for Poppo was Poppo II Margrave Of SORBENMARK.


257420434326. Marquis Eberhard Marchese Di FRIULI (UNRUOCHINGER),415,505,1444,1601,1746,1784,2972,2973 son of Conte Unroch (Hunroch) I Margrave Of FRIULI and Engeltron Of PARIS, was born in 800 in Friuli, , Italy, died on 16 December 866 in Italy 2974,2975,2976 at age 66, and was buried in Cysoing, Nord, Nord-Pas-DE-Calais, France.2975 Other names for Eberhard were Evrard, Eberhard, Marquis Of FRIOUL, Eberhard De FRIULI, Eberhard Di FRIULI,2974 Eberhard Graf Von SULICHGAU, Eberhard, and Count In The SULICHGAU.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, Abt 864. 2973

Eberhard married Gisela, Imperial Princess Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE,1601,2973,2975 daughter of Louis I "The Pious" Emperor HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE Calolingian and Empress Of Holy Roman Emp Judith Altdorf The Fair, Princess Of BAVARIA, about 825 in Of, , , France 2972.,2975 Gisela, was born in 820 in Aquitaine, France,2973,2977 died on 1 July 874 1436,2973,2977,2978 at age 54, and was buried in Cysoing, Nord, Nord-Pas-DE-Calais, France.2975 Other names for Gisela, were Gila, Gisele Of AQUITAINE, Gisela De BAVIERE, Gisèle De FRANCE, and2977 Gisele Princess Of FRANCE.

Noted events in their marriage were:

• Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage, Bef 840. 2973

Children from this marriage were:

128710217163       i.  Judith (Ingeltrude) Of FRIULI (born about 837 in Friuli, Italy - died after 853)

                  ii.  Duchess Hedwige SAXONY was born in 826 in , , Germany and died between 903 and 913 about age 77.

                 iii.  Conte Unroch (Hunroch) III Margrave Of FRIULI was born about 842 in Friuli, Italy and died after 1 July 874 1784. Other names for Unroch were Humrock III, Hunroch, Unroch, and Marquess Of FRIULI.

                  iv.  Ermenfroi (Ermenfried) Count Of AMIENS was born about 844 in Amiens, Somme, Picardy, France.

                   v.  Emperor Berengar I King Of Italy HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE was born in 850 in Fruili, Italy 1436,2979,2980 and died on 7 April 924 in Murdered In Verona, Italy 2979,2980 at age 74. Other names for Berengar were Berengarius I, and2980 Berenger I King Of ITALY Holy Roman Emperor.

                  vi.  Helwise (Heilwig) Of FRIULI was born about 855 in Friuli, Italy and died after 895 2975. Another name for Helwise was Helwise.

                 vii.  Adalhard.

                viii.  Rudolf FRIULI.


257420434327. Gisela, Imperial Princess Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE,415,505,1444,1601,1746,2973,2975 daughter of Louis I "The Pious" Emperor HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE Calolingian and Empress Of Holy Roman Emp Judith Altdorf The Fair, Princess Of BAVARIA, was born in 820 in Aquitaine, France,2973,2977 died on 1 July 874 1436,2973,2977,2978 at age 54, and was buried in Cysoing, Nord, Nord-Pas-DE-Calais, France.2975 Other names for Gisela, were Gila, Gisele Of AQUITAINE, Gisela De BAVIERE, Gisèle De FRANCE, and2977 Gisele Princess Of FRANCE.

Gisela, married Marquis Eberhard Marchese Di FRIULI (UNRUOCHINGER),1601,1784,2973 son of Conte Unroch (Hunroch) I Margrave Of FRIULI and Engeltron Of PARIS, about 825 in Of, , , France 2972.,2975 Eberhard was born in 800 in Friuli, , Italy, died on 16 December 866 in Italy 2974,2975,2976 at age 66, and was buried in Cysoing, Nord, Nord-Pas-DE-Calais, France.2975 Other names for Eberhard were Evrard, Eberhard, Marquis Of FRIOUL, Eberhard De FRIULI, Eberhard Di FRIULI,2974 Eberhard Graf Von SULICHGAU, Eberhard, and Count In The SULICHGAU.

Noted events in their marriage were:

• Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage, Bef 840. 2973

257420434328. Walpert Count Von THRECWITGAU,415,505,1784 son of Wigbert Duke Of SAXONY and Ordrad, was born about 807 in Witgau, Germany and died about 890 in Ringleheim, Goslar, Hannover, Germany 1784 about age 83. Another name for Walpert was Wolpert Count Von RINGLEHEIM.

Walpert married Altburga (Alburgis) Of SAXONY,1784 daughter of Immed Count Of SAXONY and Unknown. Altburga was born about 810 in Saxony, Germany.

The child from this marriage was:

128710217164       i.  Immed Count Of SAXONY (born about 830 in Witgau, Germany - died before 892 in Ringleheim, Goslar, Hannover, Germany)


257420434329. Altburga (Alburgis) Of SAXONY,415,505,1784 daughter of Immed Count Of SAXONY and Unknown, was born about 810 in Saxony, Germany.

Altburga married Walpert Count Von THRECWITGAU,1784 son of Wigbert Duke Of SAXONY and Ordrad. Walpert was born about 807 in Witgau, Germany and died about 890 in Ringleheim, Goslar, Hannover, Germany 1784 about age 83. Another name for Walpert was Wolpert Count Von RINGLEHEIM.

257420434330. Echbert Nobleman Of SAXONY 415,505 was born about 810 in Saxony, Germany and died after 837.

Echbert married Ida Of SAXONY, daughter of Dietrich "The Riparian" Count Of SAXONY and Unknown. Ida was born about 815 in Saxony, Germany and died after 21 November 838.

The child from this marriage was:

128710217165       i.  Mathilda Of SAXONY (born about 835 in Saxony, Germany - died about 915)


257420434331. Ida Of SAXONY,415,505 daughter of Dietrich "The Riparian" Count Of SAXONY and Unknown, was born about 815 in Saxony, Germany and died after 21 November 838.

Ida married Echbert Nobleman Of SAXONY. Echbert was born about 810 in Saxony, Germany and died after 837.

257420434332. Harald II Klak Halfdansson King Of DENMARK,415,505,2781,2981 son of Halfdan Haraldsson King Of HAITHABU and Unknown, was born about 795 in Haithabu, Schleswig-Holstein, Germany and died in 844 in Walcheran Island, Netherlands 1784 about age 49. Other names for Harald were Harald HALFDANSSON King Of Haithabu & Jutland, Harold Halfdansson King Of Haithabu & JUTLAND, and1784 Harald KLAK.

General Notes: Harald Klak. [Royal Families of Medieval Scandinavia]

Like that of Norway and Sweden, Denmark's early history is marked by internal wars between various ruling houses. At times, more than one man claimed the kingship. In the early 1820s, both Horik the son of Godfred and Harald Klak (a nephew of the former king Harald and brother of the deceased Anulo and Reginfred) were calling themselves kings.

Horik Godfredsson had no wish to share the throne of Denmark, so he forced Harald Klak to flee for his life. Harald found refuge with Louis the Pious in France. There, about 826, Harald heard the Christian message and was converted. He was baptized with much pomp in the royal palace at Ingelheim, near Mainz, with Louis the Pious serving as his godfather. At the same time his wife, his son, and 400 of his men were baptized.

After his baptism Harald prepared to return to Denmark to regain the throne. In response to Harald's plea for missionaries, Louis the Pious sent a missionary named Ansgar with Harald. It was a dangerous and heroic mission. The Danes were not anxious to leave off their pagan practices. . . . After two years, the school folded and Harald Klak, hated by his people because he had become a Christian, once again lost his throne. Horik Godfredsson, a king completely opposed to Christianity, took his place.

The exiled Harald Klak, now a friend of the Franks, was given a fief in Frisia by Louis the Pious with the understanding that -- as a loyal vassal of the empire -- he would defend the Frisian coast against attacks from the North. Here Harald lived out the rest of his life, and there is evidence that he led attacks against the very Franks who had evangelized and befriended him.

When he died about 845, various relatives of his were given high positions in that part of the empire.

. . . In 834 the Danes stormed the Frisian trading center of Dorestad, looting and plundering to their hearts' content while the defenseless inhabitants watched in horror. From Dorestad, they followed the Rhine southward and raided other towns.

. . . Lothar, the rebellious son of Louis the Pious, may have actually cooperated in the Danish raids in the late 830s, along with Louis' vassal and godson Harald Klak.

In 840 Louis the Pious died and his kingdom was fractured by the inevitable fratricidal wars that accompanied the Frankish inheritance system. The idea of primogeniture was unknown to the Franks, and so a monarch's heirs routinely fought each other for their father's lands and titles.

Eventually Lothar obtained the title of emperor and a 200-mile strip of land between the kingdoms of his brothers Charles the Bald and Louis the German. (In time this middle kingdom disappeared although the modern name "Lorraine" survives as a contraction of "Lotharingia.")

Lothar decided to reward his ally Harald Klak. The Annals of St. Bertin for the year 841 state that Lothar gave the island of Walcheren (now in the Netherlands) in fief to his ally Harald Klak, who had aided Lothar in doing "so much damage to Frisia and other coastal countries of the Christian world in order to harm his father." The Annals then express the view that the giving of this island to Harald was "a deed which certainly deserves every abhorrence."

[Royal Families of Medieval Scandinavia, pp. 80-82]

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The following is excerpted from a post by Stewart Baldwin, 18 Nov 1996:

From: Stewart Baldwin (sbald@auburn.campus.mci.net)
Subject: Danish kings, 8th & 9th centuries
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 1996/11/18

HARALD ii (d. 852?) and REGINFRID (d. 814), joint kings of Denmark, 812-813. HARALD ii was also joint king with the sons of Godefrid 819-27, and count of Rustringen in Frisia, 826-. Brothers of Anulo, and "nepotes" of Harald i.

Harald ii and Reginfrid became joint kings in 812, following the civil war, and requested that Charlemagne send them their brother Hemming, who was then a hostage [ARF]. In 813, peace was sworn again, and Hemming was returned to Denmark, but the Harald and Reginfrid were with an army in Westarfolda [i.e., Vestfold] in the extreme northwest of their kingdom, where the people had refused to submit to them. When they returned "after conquering the Britons" [That's what the translation of the chronicle says, but I assume it is a slip of the pen for Westarfolda, as Britain had been mentioned in the previous sentence that described the location of Westarfolda.], the sons of Godefrid gathered an army, and drove Harald and Reginfrid out of Denmark, assisted by Danish nobles who had been in exile with the Swedes. [This very tantalizing chronicle entry, the earliest contemporary reference to Vestfold, has been the basis of numerous theories. Since Harald and Reginfrid appear as enemies of the men of Vestfold and as enemies of the sons of Godefrid, it has been assumed by some that the sons of Godefrid were based in Vestfold, which has in turn led to the suggested identification of Godefrid and the Yngling king Gudrod, despite the apparent chronological difficulties.] In 814, Reginfrid was killed when he and Harald attempted to regain the kingdom, and Harald sought the help of the new emperor Louis I. In 819, Harald allied himself with two of the sons of Godefrid to drive out the other two, and entered into a joint ruling arrangement which lasted until 827, when the sons of Godefrid drove him out. In 826, he had been baptized at St. Albans in Mainz, and was given the county of Rustringen in Frisia. In 841, Harald was granted Walcheran by the emperor Lothar [AB]. His death is mentioned in the Annals of Fulda under the year 852, but in wording which does not make it clear whether his death was in that year or at some time previous.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, Abt 845. 2981

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, Bef 852. 2781

• Ruled: 812-813. 2781

Harald married Sigrid HELGISDOTTIR, daughter of Helgi "The Keen" FRIDLEIFSSON and Aslaug SIGURDSDATTER. Sigrid was born about 812 in Ringerike, Akershus, Norway.

The child from this marriage was:

128710217166       i.  Godefrid King Of Haithabu & RUSTRINGEN (born about 830 in Haithabu, Schleswig-Holstein, Germany - died in June 885 in Rustringen, Friesland, Netherlands (Killed))


257420434333. Sigrid HELGISDOTTIR,415,505 daughter of Helgi "The Keen" FRIDLEIFSSON and Aslaug SIGURDSDATTER, was born about 812 in Ringerike, Akershus, Norway.

Sigrid married Harald II Klak Halfdansson King Of DENMARK,2781,2981 son of Halfdan Haraldsson King Of HAITHABU and Unknown. Harald was born about 795 in Haithabu, Schleswig-Holstein, Germany and died in 844 in Walcheran Island, Netherlands 1784 about age 49. Other names for Harald were Harald HALFDANSSON King Of Haithabu & Jutland, Harold Halfdansson King Of Haithabu & JUTLAND, and1784 Harald KLAK.

257420435472. Osbern I De BOLBEC Seigneur Of Longueville 415,1404,2982 was born about 945 in Bolbec, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died in 1035 in Longueville-Sur-Scie, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 2982 about age 90.

General Notes: 1028-1035 Seigneur of Longueville-sur-Scie. [Ancestral Roots, line 184-1]

Osbern married Avelina (Wevia) "Not" De CREPON,1404,2234,2508,2982 daughter of Herbastus Forester Of ARQUE and Gunnhild OLAFSDOTTIR Princess Of Sweden. Avelina was born about 960 in Arque, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Miss De BOLBEC was born about 985 in Longueville-Sur-Scie, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.

128710217736      ii.  Godfrey (Gozeline) Vicomte D' ARQUES (born about 987 in Longueville-Sur-Scie, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France - died after 1035 in Arques-La-Bataille, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France)

                 iii.  Osbern II De BOLBEC was born about 990 in Bolbec, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died in 1063 in France 1404 about age 73.

                  iv.  Walter I GIFFARD Seigneur Of Longueville was born about 1005 in Longueville-Sur-Scie, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died in 1084 in France 2982 about age 79.


257420435473. Avelina (Wevia) "Not" De CREPON,415,1404,2234,2508,2982 daughter of Herbastus Forester Of ARQUE and Gunnhild OLAFSDOTTIR Princess Of Sweden, was born about 960 in Arque, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.

General Notes: Avelina, sister of Gundra, wife of Richard I, Duke of Normandy. [Burke's Peerage]

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The following is excerpted (full post is in notes under father) from a post to SGM, 3 Dec 1996, by Todd Farmerie:

From: Todd A. Farmerie (taf2@po.cwru.edu)
Subject: Robert de Torigny and the family of Gunnor, Duchess of Normandy
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 1996/12/03

Wevia, the only other sister of Gunnor named by Torigny, married Osbern de Bolbec (who is otherwise unknown to history). They had at least two sons: Walter Giffard, ancestor of the English Giffard/Gifford families, and also, through his daughter, of the Clare family; and Godfrey, whose son William de Arques had two daughters and co-heiresses.

Note; I have Wevia's son as Gozeline (or Godfrey) and grandfather of William de Arques.

Avelina married Osbern I De BOLBEC Seigneur Of Longueville 1404.,2982 Osbern was born about 945 in Bolbec, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died in 1035 in Longueville-Sur-Scie, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 2982 about age 90.

257420435478. William I "Longsword" Duke Of NORMANDY,415,1444,1601,1746,2078,2735 son of Rollo Rognvaldsson 1St Duke Of NORMANDY and Papia FALAISE Duchess Of Normandy, was born about 891 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 2736 and died on 17 December 942 in Killed At Picardy, France 1436,2078,2738 about age 51. The cause of his death was Murdered 943. Other names for William were Longue Épée=Long Sword, Guillaume I, and Dec De NORMANDIE.

General Notes:
William Longsword succeeded Rollo in 933. He was the son of one of Rollo's Frankish Christian concubines, Popa, the daughter of the vanquished Count of Bayeux, and was himself, therefore, an example of the rapid assimilation of the conquerors.

In 933, William managed to take back Cotentin and Avranchin from the Bretons. King Ralph (923-936) helped him in this enterprise and in exchange received the homage due from a vassal. However, it was the Count of Rouen who actually held the power in the vanquished territories.

At the same time William needed to confirm his control over the Irish-Norwegian elements established in Cotentin and Bessin. It would appear that the rebels were keen to retain their peaceful roots, and the Scandinavian traditions of organisation based on a land holding free of the control of a political authority. They were thus ill-disposed to enter into the bonds of dependency which were developing in Frankish society and which the new count did not hesitate to turn to his own advantage.
In the Frankish kingdom William became involved in the conflicts facing the leaders of the aristocracy and the Carolingian King Louis IV (936-954) under the gaze of the powerful king of Germany, Otto. The Count of Rouen played on the competition between the two authorities to which, in theory, he was answerable, the King of France, and his direct overlord Hugh the Great, heir to the prerogatives of the Marquis of Neustria, Duke of the Franks. In general William allied himself with Hugh the Great, but in 940 he provisionally changed sides and obtained from Louis IV the renewal of the concession granted to Rollo. In 942 he was killed in an ambush set by the Count of Flanders who was hostile to the rise in Norman power.

From the second generation, William Longsword had been the first authentically Christian Norman prince, notably supporting the restoration of the abbey of Jumièges. He won the hand in marriage of the daughter of the Count of Vermandois and thus entered into the society of the most powerful lords of the kingdom.

Assassinated by Arnulf/Arnulph/Arnoul "The Old", Count of Flanders, in 942, according to Encyclopaedia Britannica, 1961 ed., Vol. 16, pg. 493, Article: NORMANDY

William married Sprota (Sporta) De SENLIS,1601,2736,2739,2740 daughter of Hubert Comte De SENLIS and Mrs-Hubert Count Of SENLIS, after 930 in 1st Wife (Danish Wife/Non Christian Marriage).2736 Sprota was born about 911 in Bretagne, Normandy and died about 972 about age 61. Other names for Sprota were Espriota De BRETAGNE, and Sprota De ST. LIS.

William next married Luitgarde De VERMANDOIS 1526,1601,1921,2741 before 941 in 1st Husband 2ND Wife 1436,2735.,2737 Luitgarde was born about 920 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France,2742 died from 9 February 978 to 979 2737,2741 about age 58, and was buried in Abbaye DE Matemoutier, , France.

William next married Asperleng Of Vaudreuil.

William next married Liutgarde. Liutgarde died in February 978.

257420435479. Luitgarde De VERMANDOIS,415,1444,1526,1601,1746,1921,2741 daughter of Herbert II Count Of Troyes & VERMANDOIS and Liegarde (Hildebrand) Princess Of FRANCE, was born about 920 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France,2742 died from 9 February 978 to 979 2737,2741 about age 58, and was buried in Abbaye DE Matemoutier, , France.

General Notes:
Luitgarde de Vermandois, n.i. [no issue with William I of Normandy], killed 942 by Louis, s. of Charles III "the Simple", daughter of Herbert II, Count of Vermandois and Troyes. [Ancestral Roots, Line 121e-19] (As I said 942, is probably talking about her 1st husband William's death. I am disregarding it.)

Luitgarde de Vermandois, d. aft. 978, widow of William I, of Normandy, and daughter of Herbert II de Vermandois. [Ancestral Roots, Line 49-19]

Luitgarde de Vermandois, d. aft. 978; m. (2) 943 Theobald I, "le Tricheur", d. 978, Count of Blois. [Ancestral Roots, Line 136-19]

Note: line 121e does not agree with the other two lines in Luitgarde's death date. I believe that it is in error, maybe referring to William I's death in 942. Also note that Theobald I, Count of Blois, was involved in William I's treachorous ambush and murder in 942 and married Luitgarde, his widow, the next year 943.

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Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann@yahoo.com, write in a post-em:

The dates are further conflicted by other sources:

birth:
(915/20) [Ref: ES II:79] parenthesis = approximation
915/20 [Ref: ES III:49]
abt 920 [Ref: Moriarty p6, 228]
abt 930 [Ref: Moriarty p36]

married to Guillaume, Duc de Normandie/William "Longsword" Duke of Normandy, Count of Rouen:
um 940 [Ref: ES II:79] (um = about/around)

married to Theobald I 'Le Tricheur' Count of Blois, Seigneur de Montagu:
date: 942/45 [Ref: ES III:49, Moriarty p228]
943/44 [Ref: ES II:46]
943/5 [Ref: Moriarty p36]
abt 945 [Ref: Moriarty p6]

died:
27.V nach 977 [Ref: ES II:79] (nach = after)
27.V nach 978 [Ref: ES III:49]
9.II nach 978 [Ref: ES II:46]
Feb 9 978 [Ref: Moriarty p228, p36]
after Feb 9 978 [Ref: Moriarty p6, Paget p135]

Regards,
Curt

Luitgarde married Theobald Le TRICHEUR Count Of Champagne 1526,1601,1921,2741,2983 before 945 in <, , France> 1436,1526.,2741 Theobald was born in 913 in Blois, Loir-Et-Cher, France 2983 and died from 16 January 977 to 978 in Blois, Loir-Et-Cher, Orleanais/Centre, France 1526,2741,2983 at age 64. Other names for Theobald were Le Tricheur=The Cheat, and Thibaud "Le Tricheur" De CHARTRES Du Blois.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Odo I, Count Of BLOIS was born in 950 1436 and died from 12 March 995 to 996 at age 45.

                  ii.  Hildegarde De BLOIS was born after 943 in Blois, Loir-Et-Cher, Orleanais/Centre, France 1914 and died after 1007 2984.

128710235425     iii.  Duchess Of Aquitaine Emma De BLOIS (born in 954 in Blois, Loire-Et-Cher, Centre, France - died on 1 August 1003)

                  iv.  Theobald Of BLOIS.

                   v.  Eudes I Comte De BLOIS was born about 952 in Blois, Loir-Et-Cher, Orleanais/Centre, France and died from 12 March 995 to 996 1526,2480 about age 43.

                  vi.  Hugo Of Blois, Archbishop Of BOURGES.

Luitgarde next married William I "Longsword" Duke Of NORMANDY,1601,2078,2735 son of Rollo Rognvaldsson 1St Duke Of NORMANDY and Papia FALAISE Duchess Of Normandy, before 941 in 1st Husband 2ND Wife 1436,2735.,2737 William was born about 891 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 2736 and died on 17 December 942 in Killed At Picardy, France 1436,2078,2738 about age 51. The cause of his death was Murdered 943. Other names for William were Longue Épée=Long Sword, Guillaume I, and Dec De NORMANDIE.

257420441792. Ursus Of DENMARK 415,2018 was born about 885 in Denmark.

Ursus married.

The child from this marriage was:

128710220896       i.  Shratlingus URSUSSON (born about 915 in Denmark)


257420441808. Oswulf Earl Of NORTHUMBRIA 2018 was born about 910 in Northumbria, England and died in 965 2018 about age 55.

Oswulf married.

The child from this marriage was:

128710220904       i.  Waltheof Earl Of NORTHUMBRIA (born about 935 in Northumbria, England - died about 970)


257420441824. Arnulf I Comte De BOULOGNE,415,2561 son of Adaloff (Adalulf) Comte De BOULOGNE and Mahaut De CREQUY, was born about 922 in Boulogne-Sur-Mer, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France and died in 971 2561 about age 49.

Arnulf married about 948.

The child from this marriage was:

128710220912       i.  Arnulf II Comte De BOULOGNE (born about 950 in Boulogne-Sur-Mer, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France - died about 990)


257420441832. Regnier II Count Of HAINAULT,415,1444,2112,2780,2942 son of Régnier I Longicullus, Count Of HAINAULT and Hersent, Princess De FRANCE, was born about 890 in Lorraine, France 1447,2540,2780 and died in 932 in Hainault, Belgium 2112,2314,2540,2780 about age 42. Another name for Regnier was Rainier Ii, Comte De HAINAUT.

Regnier married Adelaide (Alice) Of BURGUNDY,2112,2780 daughter of Richard I "The Justiciar" Duke Of BURGUNDY and Adelaide Of AUXERRE. Adelaide was born about 895 in Bourgogne, France.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Daughter Of HAINAULT was born about 912 in Hainault, Lorraine, France.

128710220916      ii.  Regnier III "Long Neck" Count Of HAINAULT (born about 928 in Hainault, Belgium - died in 973 in Bohemia, Czech Republic (In Exile))


257420441833. Adelaide (Alice) Of BURGUNDY,2112,2780 daughter of Richard I "The Justiciar" Duke Of BURGUNDY and Adelaide Of AUXERRE, was born about 895 in Bourgogne, France.

Adelaide married Regnier II Count Of HAINAULT,2112,2780,2942 son of Régnier I Longicullus, Count Of HAINAULT and Hersent, Princess De FRANCE. Regnier was born about 890 in Lorraine, France 1447,2540,2780 and died in 932 in Hainault, Belgium 2112,2314,2540,2780 about age 42. Another name for Regnier was Rainier Ii, Comte De HAINAUT.

257420441834. Lambert Count Of LOUVAIN was born about 903 in Louvain, Brabant, Lorraine, France.

Lambert married.

The child from this marriage was:

128710220917       i.  Adele Of LOUVAIN (born about 929 in Louvaine, Brabant, Lorraine, France - died in 961)




257420441836. Louis IV "Transmarinus" King Of FRANCE,415,1444,1601,1746,2909,2910 son of Charles III "The Simple" King Of FRANCE and Queen Of Franks Eadgifu Princess Of ENGLAND, was born on 10 September 921 in Laon, Aisne, Picardy, France,2910 died on 10 September 954 in St Remy Abbey, Reims, Marne, France 2321,2910,2911 at age 33, and was buried in St Remy Abbey, Rheims. Other names for Louis were Louis IV The Foreigner, Louis IV Transmarinus, King Of FRANCE, and Ludovic TRANSMARINI.

General Notes:
Louis IV, King de France

(Andre Roux: Scrolls, 113, 191.)
(Rosamond, Frankish kingdom under Carolingians.)
(Stuart, Royalty for Commoners, Page 130, Line 171-36.)
(Paul Auge, Nouveau Larousse Universel (13 a 21 Rue Montparnasse et Boulevard Raspail 114: Librairie Larousse, 1948), Tome II, Page 86.)
(Andre Castelot, Histoire de La France, Tome 1, Page 387).

Also Known As: Louis "d'Outremer".

Born: on 10 Sep 920 in Laon, Aisne, France, son of Charles III, King de France and Eadgifu=Ogive=Hadwige, Princess of England, Some sources claim King Louis IV was born in the year 921.

Note -between 936 and 954 in France: King:936-954. When Louis IV's father [Charles "Le Simple"] was captured [by Herbert de Vermandois in 923] , his mother Eadgifu took him to England for refuge. Louis IV came to the throne thanks to the support of Hughes, Count of Paris who had Louis IV recalled to France to succeed King Raoul (reign: 923-936). On 19 June 936, the new King, arrived in Boulogne, from England [hence the nickname "from overseas"] . He is annointed in Laon by the Archbishop of Reims, Artaud. Hughes "Le Grand" fancies himself the mentor of the King, but the King is rather independent of mind. Louis struggled against Hughes "Le Grand", Count of Paris, through most of his reign. In 936, the new German King, Otton I (who had just succeeded Henri I) tries to arbitrate their quarrels. In 938, King Louis "d'Outremer" makes an enemy out of Otton by marching into Lorraine. In 940, Otton I invades France and marches on Paris, with the help of his allies, Hughes "Le Grand" and Hughes de Vermandois. The Kingdom is split in two. While fighting the Normans in an attempt to recapture Normandy, Louis IV was made prisoner in 945 in Rouen. His liberty following that capture was short-lived as Louis IV fell into the hands of Hughes "Le Grand", now Duke de France, who kept him prisoner for one year until 946. An alliance with the German King Otto I allowed Louis IV to defeat Hughes (having had Hugues de Vermandois excommunicated in 948 at the Council of Ingelheim; The Church Council met again in September that year and excommunicated Hughes "Le Grand"), who made peace in 950 with Louis because he needed the support of the Church. Louis IV married Gerberge, Sister of the Emperor of the Occident Othon=Otto the Great, who bore him a son named Lothaire who eventually replaced Louis IV on the throne. Louis was fatally injured in a fall form his horse.

Married in 940: Gerberge de Saxe, daughter of Henri I, Duke de Saxe and Mathilde, Countess de Ringelheim ; Louis IV was Gerberge's second husband.

Died: on 10 Oct 954 in Reims, Champagne, France, at age 34 Louis IV is buried at Saint Remy.

Noted events in his life were:

• Ruled: 936-954

Louis married Gerberga Of SAXONY Abbess Of Notre Dame,1601,2906,2907 daughter of Duke Of Saxony Heinrich I "The Fowler" King Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE and Queen Of The Germans Matilda, Countess Of RINGELHEIM, on 25 April 940 in 2ND Husband 2324.,2907 Gerberga was born about 913 in Nordhausen, Saxony, Prussia,2324 died on 5 May 984 in Andernach, Rhineland, Prussia 2314,2325,2326,2327,2328 about age 71, and was buried in Reims, Champagne, France. Other names for Gerberga were Gerberge Of The GERMANS, Gerberga Of GERMANY, Gerberge Von SACHSEN, and Gerberge Of SAXONY.

257420441837. Gerberga Of SAXONY Abbess Of Notre Dame,415,505,1444,1601,1746,2326,2327,2906,2907,2909 daughter of Duke Of Saxony Heinrich I "The Fowler" King Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE and Queen Of The Germans Matilda, Countess Of RINGELHEIM, was born about 913 in Nordhausen, Saxony, Prussia,2324 died on 5 May 984 in Andernach, Rhineland, Prussia 2314,2325,2326,2327,2328 about age 71, and was buried in Reims, Champagne, France. Other names for Gerberga were Gerberge Of The GERMANS, Gerberga Of GERMANY, Gerberge Von SACHSEN, and Gerberge Of SAXONY.

General Notes:
In 939 her first husband, Duke Giselbert of Lorraine, died and she then married Louis IV of France, who also became ruler of Lorraine though with opposition from Hugo of Francien, who was married to her sister, Hadwig. In 954 her husband died, and she managed to secure the election of her son, Lothar III as king of France, and acted as his regent. The contemporary sources describe her as a highly educated, intelligent and forceful player in the political game of the time. Mother of around 10 children, she lived (913-69). 1741

Gerberga married Giselbert I Duke Of LORRAINE Lay Abbot Of Echternach,1601,1784,2906,2907 son of Régnier I Longicullus, Count Of HAINAULT and Hersent, Princess De FRANCE, from 29 January 929 to 930 in 1st Husband 2314.,2324 Giselbert was born about 887 in Reims, Lorraine, France 2328 and died on 2 October 939 in Andernach, Rhineland, Prussia 1784,2314,2327,2328,2907 about age 52. Another name for Giselbert was Gilbert.

Gerberga next married Louis IV "Transmarinus" King Of FRANCE,1601,2910 son of Charles III "The Simple" King Of FRANCE and Queen Of Franks Eadgifu Princess Of ENGLAND, on 25 April 940 in 2ND Husband 2324.,2907 Louis was born on 10 September 921 in Laon, Aisne, Picardy, France,2910 died on 10 September 954 in St Remy Abbey, Reims, Marne, France 2321,2910,2911 at age 33, and was buried in St Remy Abbey, Rheims. Other names for Louis were Louis IV The Foreigner, Louis IV Transmarinus, King Of FRANCE, and Ludovic TRANSMARINI.

Noted events in his life were:

• Ruled: 936-954

257420441838. Godefroy Le Vieux D'ardennes, Count Of VERDUN Marquis Antwerp,415,1444,1447,1601,1746,1784,2124,2593,2714,2715 son of Gonzelon (Gozelo) Comte De ARDENNES and Uda Von METZ, was born about 932 in Ardennes, Champagne-Ardenne, France and died on 4 September 1005 in Verdun, Meuse, Lorraine, France 1784,2715 about age 73. Other names for Godefroy were Godefrey D' ARDENNES Comte De Verdun, Godfroi, Comte D' ARDENNES, Godfrey, and Count Of VERDUN AND ARDENNES.

Godefroy married Countess Of Flanders Mathilde Princess Of SAXONY 1601,1784,2124,2711,2712 in 963 in <Of, , , Saxony>.2712 Mathilde was born in 958 in Saxony, Germany and died on 25 May 1008 1784,2711,2712 at age 50. Another name for Mathilde was Mathilde (Maud) Billung Of SAXONY.

257420441839. Countess Of Flanders Mathilde Princess Of SAXONY,415,1601,1746,1784,2124,2711,2712 daughter of Hermann BILLUNG Duke Of Saxony and Hildegard Von WESTERBOURG, was born in 958 in Saxony, Germany and died on 25 May 1008 1784,2711,2712 at age 50. Another name for Mathilde was Mathilde (Maud) Billung Of SAXONY.

General Notes:
Turton has Maud as 2nd wife of Arnulph I of Flanders and mother of Arnulph II. AR & others have her as mother of Arnulph II, but as wife of Baldwin III (not Arunlph I) as her 1st husband. Baldwin III died before his father and was not Count, he must have been overlooked by Turton & other early researchers.

Mathilde married Count Baudouin III Of FLANDERS,1601,2711 son of Arnold I Count Of FLANDERS Count Of Flanders and Countess Of Flanders Alce De VERMANDOIS, before 960 in <, Flanders, Nord, France>.2712 Baudouin was born in 933 in , Flanders, Nord, France and died on 1 November 962 in (Dvp) 2711 at age 29. Another name for Baudouin was Baldwin III Count Of FLANDERS.

Mathilde next married Godefroy Le Vieux D'ardennes, Count Of VERDUN Marquis Antwerp 1601,1784,2124,2593,2714,2715 in 963 in <Of, , , Saxony>.2712 Godefroy was born about 932 in Ardennes, Champagne-Ardenne, France and died on 4 September 1005 in Verdun, Meuse, Lorraine, France 1784,2715 about age 73. Other names for Godefroy were Godefrey D' ARDENNES Comte De Verdun, Godfroi, Comte D' ARDENNES, Godfrey, and Count Of VERDUN AND ARDENNES.

257420442624. Geoffrey (Or Orleans) Of The GATINAIS,415,2563 son of Aubri "Dux" Viscount Of ORLEANS and Unknown, was born in 830 in Gatinais, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France.2563

Geoffrey married.

Children from this marriage were:

128710221312       i.  Aubri 'Dux' Of GATINAIS Vicount Of Orleans (born before 860 in Orleans, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France - died after 886)

                  ii.  Bouchard De MONTMORENCY was born about 865 in Montmorency, Val D'oise, Ile-DE-France, France and died in 909 2985 about age 44.


257420442660. Hugh I Comte Du MAINE,2567 son of Hugh Du MAINE and Unknown, was born about 960 in Le Mans, Sarthe, Maine/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died in 1015 2567 about age 55.

Hugh married.

Children from this marriage were:

128710221330       i.  Herbert I Eveillechien Comte Du MAINE (born about 984 in Le Mans, Sarthe, Maine/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France - died on 13 April 1036)

                  ii.  Melisende Du MAINE was born about 985 in Le Mans, Sarthe, Maine/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France.


257420442664. Albert Azzo I Of Tuscany, Marquis D' ESTE,415,1444,2292 son of Oberto II Conte Di Genoa & Tortone & ESTE and Railenda Of RIPRANDO, was born in 979 in Este, Tuscany, Italy and died in 1029 2292 at age 50. Other names for Albert were Alberto I, Alberto Asso I, and Marchese In LIGURIA.2476

Albert married Valdrada Of VENICE,2292 daughter of Pietro IV CANDIANO Doge Of Venice and Valdrada Of TUSCANY. Valdrada was born before 977 in Venice, Italy and died after 1012.

The child from this marriage was:

128710221332       i.  Alberto Azzo II Marquis D' ESTE (born on 10 July 1009 in Este, Tuscany, Italy - died on 20 August 1097)


257420442665. Valdrada Of VENICE,2292 daughter of Pietro IV CANDIANO Doge Of Venice and Valdrada Of TUSCANY, was born before 977 in Venice, Italy and died after 1012.

Valdrada married Albert Azzo I Of Tuscany, Marquis D' ESTE,2292 son of Oberto II Conte Di Genoa & Tortone & ESTE and Railenda Of RIPRANDO. Albert was born in 979 in Este, Tuscany, Italy and died in 1029 2292 at age 50. Other names for Albert were Alberto I, Alberto Asso I, and Marchese In LIGURIA.2476

257420442666. Herbert I Eveillechien Comte Du MAINE,2567 son of Hugh I Comte Du MAINE and Unknown, was born about 984 in Le Mans, Sarthe, Maine/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died on 13 April 1036 2567 about age 52.

Herbert married.

257420442668. Tancred "Guiscard" Seigneur De HAUTEVILLE Sir,415,2849 son of Rabel Tancred Seigneur De HAUTEVILLE and Unknown, was born about 980 in Hauteville, Manche, Normandy, France and died about 1050 2626 about age 70.

General Notes: The following post to SGM, 25 Apr 2001, by Peter Stewart gives info on Tancred's wives (note that I have Muriella as daughter of Richard I & Fressendis as daughter of Richard II):

From: Stewart, Peter (Peter.Stewart@crsrehab.gov.au)
Subject: RE: Tancred de Hauteville's wife
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2001-04-25 21:52:32 PST

It is thought possible - not quite the same as believed to be "correct" - that Tancred's wives Muriella and Fressendis were illegitimate daughters of Richard II (the Good) of Normandy. They were probably related in some way, and for all I know it may be that at least Muriella was old enough to have been a daughter of Richard I (the Fearless) - but Fressendis seems to have belonged more certainly to a younger generation. (She is credited with at least nine children born up to ca 1045/50, making it unlikely that her father died in 996.)

A good source for this part of the Hauteville family is Huguette Taviani-Carozzi's *La terreur du monde: Robert Guiscard at la conquête normande en Italie, mythe et histoire* (Paris, 1996).

Peter Stewart

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1041.

Tancred married Fressendis (Fredesende) Of NORMANDY 2626,2850,2851 before 1015 in 2ND Wife.2626 Fressendis was born about 995 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died in 1057 about age 62.

Tancred next married Murielle De NORMANDY,2850,2851,2852 daughter of Godfrey Fitzrichard Of BRIONNE Comte D'eu and Heloise De GUINES, in 1st Wife.2852 Murielle was born about 986 in Eu, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died about 1014 about age 28. Another name for Murielle was Murielle D' EU.

257420442669. Fressendis (Fredesende) Of NORMANDY,415,2626,2850,2851 daughter of Richard II "The Good" Duke Of NORMANDY and Poppa D' ENVERMEU, was born about 995 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died in 1057 about age 62.

Fressendis married Tancred "Guiscard" Seigneur De HAUTEVILLE Sir 2849 before 1015 in 2ND Wife.2626 Tancred was born about 980 in Hauteville, Manche, Normandy, France and died about 1050 2626 about age 70.

257420442670. Rainald I, Count Palatine Of BURGUNDY,415,1444,1601,1746,2246,2247,2248 son of Otto Guillaume Count Of BURGUNDY and Ermentrude Of Roucy, Countess Of REIMS, was born about 990 in Bourgogne, France 2248 and died on 4 September 1057 in France 1447,1986,2246,2248,2249 about age 67. Other names for Rainald were Renaud I, and Renaud I Count Of PALATINE.

Rainald married Princess & Countess Of Bu Adelais (Judith) De NORMANDY 1601,2246,2247,2250 in 1023 in -, Bourgogne, France.2246 Adelais was born in 996 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 1986 and died after 27 July 1037 in , , France 2250.

Noted events in their marriage were:

• Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage, 1 September 1016. 2248

• Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage, 1 September 1016. 2248

257420442671. Princess & Countess Of Bu Adelais (Judith) De NORMANDY,415,1601,1746,2246,2247,2250 daughter of Richard II "The Good" Duke Of NORMANDY and Princess Of Brittany Judith De BRETAGNE, was born in 996 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 1986 and died after 27 July 1037 in , , France 2250.

Adelais married Rainald I, Count Palatine Of BURGUNDY 1601,2246,2247,2248 in 1023 in -, Bourgogne, France.2246 Rainald was born about 990 in Bourgogne, France 2248 and died on 4 September 1057 in France 1447,1986,2246,2248,2249 about age 67. Other names for Rainald were Renaud I, and Renaud I Count Of PALATINE.

257420442672. Seigneur de CHATEAU DU LOIRE was born about 945 in Chateau-du-Loir, Sarthe, Maine/Pays-de-la-Loire, France.

Seigneur married.

The child from this marriage was:

128710221336       i.  Aimon (Hamelin) Seigneur de CHATEAU DU LOIRE (born about 972 in Chateau-du-Loir, Sarthe, Maine/Pays-de-la-Loire, France - died on 15 January 1030-1031)


257420442674. Yves Seigneur De Creil & BELLEME,415,2670,2671 son of Fulk (Fulcuin) Seigneur De CORBONAIS and Rolais, was born about 940 in Creil, Oise, Picardy, France and died in 997 in Belleme, Sarthe, Maine/Pays DE Le Loire, France 1120 about age 57. Another name for Yves was Ivres Seigneur De CREIL & Belleme.

Yves married Godchilde De PONTHIEU,2069,2672 daughter of Guillaume I Comte De PONTHIEU and Maude De St. Pol Sur Mer De THEROUANNE. Godchilde was born about 944 in Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France.

257420442675. Godchilde De PONTHIEU,415,2069,2672 daughter of Guillaume I Comte De PONTHIEU and Maude De St. Pol Sur Mer De THEROUANNE, was born about 944 in Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France.

General Notes:
Many people have Godchilde daughter of Hilduin de Ponthieu & Hersende, but according to the dates that I have for the people involved, Eileen Suggs, World Connect db=emsuggs, is correct in placing her as daughter of Guillaume & Maud.

Godchilde married Yves Seigneur De Creil & BELLEME,2670,2671 son of Fulk (Fulcuin) Seigneur De CORBONAIS and Rolais. Yves was born about 940 in Creil, Oise, Picardy, France and died in 997 in Belleme, Sarthe, Maine/Pays DE Le Loire, France 1120 about age 57. Another name for Yves was Ivres Seigneur De CREIL & Belleme.

257420442720. Duncan Lay Abbot Of DUNKELD 415,2575 was born about 920 in Dunkeld, Perthshire, Scotland and died about 965 in Battle Of Duncrub, Perthshire, Scotland 2575 about age 45.

General Notes: Fought for Colin in loss against Duff, son of Malcolm I. [Burke's Peerage]

Duncan married.

The child from this marriage was:

128710221360       i.  Duncan Lay Abbot Of DUNKELD (born about 949 in Dunkeld, Perthshire, Scotland - died after 990 in Dunkeld, Perthshire, Scotland)




257420442736. Edgar I "The Peaceful" King Of ENGLAND,415,1416,2986,2987 son of Edmund I "The Magnificent" King Of ENGLAND and St Alfgifu Of ENGLAND, was born in 943 in Wessex, England 1416,2986 and died on 8 July 975 1416,2986 at age 32.

General Notes:
Edgar (b. 943/44 - d. 8 July 975), king of the Mercians and Northumbrians from 957 who became king of the West Saxons, or Wessex, in 959 and is reckoned as king of all England from that year. He was efficient and tolerant of local customs, and his reign was peaceful. He was most important as a patron of the English monastic revival.

The younger son of Edmund I, king of the English, Edgar was made king of the Mercians and Northumbrians in place of Eadwig, his brother, who was deposed. On Eadwig's death (1 Oct 959), Edgar succeeded to the West Saxon throne. His ecclesiastical policy was also that of the archbishop of Canterbury, St. Dunstan, who insisted on strict observance of the Benedictine Rule. The king supported Archbishop Oswald of York and Bishop Aethelwold of Winchester in founding abbeys. Edgar's laws were the first in England to prescribe penalties fro nonpayment of tithes and Peter's pence, the annual contribution made by Roman Catholics for support of the Holy See. [Encyclopaedia Britannica]

Noted events in his life were:

• Ruled: 2303 959-975

Edgar married Aethelflaed 2303 in 1st Wife.2303 Aethelflaed was born about 945 in Wessex, England.

The child from this marriage was:

                   i.  Edward "The Martyr" King Of ENGLAND was born about 963 in Wessex, England 2303 and died from 18 March 977 to 978 in Corfe, Taunton, Somerset, England (Murdered) 2988 about age 14.

Edgar next married Elfrida (Aelfthryth\Ealfthyth) ORDGARSDOTTIR,1416,2303,2986,2989 daughter of Ordgar Ealdorman Of DEVON and Wulfrith, in 965 in 2ND Husband 2ND Wife 1416,2986.,2989 Elfrida was born in 945 in Lydford Castle, Devonshire, England 2986,2989 and died in 1000 in Whenwell, England 2986,2989 at age 55. Another name for Elfrida was Elfrida (Aelfthryth\Ealfthyth) EALDORMAN.

The child from this marriage was:

128710221368       i.  Aethelred II "The Unready" King Of WESSEX (born about 968 in Wessex, England - died on 23 April 1016 in London, Middlesex, England)


257420442737. Elfrida (Aelfthryth\Ealfthyth) ORDGARSDOTTIR,415,1416,2303,2986,2989 daughter of Ordgar Ealdorman Of DEVON and Wulfrith, was born in 945 in Lydford Castle, Devonshire, England 2986,2989 and died in 1000 in Whenwell, England 2986,2989 at age 55. Another name for Elfrida was Elfrida (Aelfthryth\Ealfthyth) EALDORMAN.

General Notes:
Sources indicated that after her consecration she was considered to been sharing the royal lordship with her husband, King Edgar, who was first succeeded by his son of the first marriage, Edward, then by a brother, and finally by his son by Ælfthryth, Edmund II Ironside (968-78-1016), and acted as his regent during his minority, and then a dominant force during his reign. 1741

Elfrida married Aethelwold Ealdorman Of East ANGLIA 2990 in 1st Husband.2990 Aethelwold was born about 940 in Kent County, England and died in 962 2990 about age 22.



Elfrida next married Edgar I "The Peaceful" King Of ENGLAND,1416,2986,2987 son of Edmund I "The Magnificent" King Of ENGLAND and St Alfgifu Of ENGLAND, in 965 in 2ND Husband 2ND Wife 1416,2986.,2989 Edgar was born in 943 in Wessex, England 1416,2986 and died on 8 July 975 1416,2986 at age 32.

Noted events in his life were:

• Ruled: 2303 959-975

257420442738. Thored Ealdorman Of NORTHUMBERLAND,415,1416,2796 son of Gunnor Of NORTHUMBERLAND and Unknown, was born in 938 in Northumbria, England. Another name for Thored was Thored Ealderman GUNNARSSON.

Thored married.

The child from this marriage was:

128710221369       i.  Alffaed (Ealflaed\Aelfgifu) THOREDSDOTTIR (born in 968 in Northumbria, England - died in 1002)


257420442741. Wulfrun Of MERCIA 415,505,2531 was born about 915 in Tamworth, Staffordshire, England (Mercia). Another name for Wulfrun was Wulfruna Of TAMWORTH.

Wulfrun married.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Aelfhelm Ealdorman Of NORTHUMBRIA was born about 945 in Northumbria, England and died in 1006 in Murdered With Connivance Of Aethelred The Unready 2531,2798 about age 61.

128710221370      ii.  Aelfthryth Of MERCIA (born about 947 in Tamworth, Staffordshire, England (Mercia))


257420442742. Morcar Of MERCIA 415,505,2580 was born about 940 in Mercia, England.

Morcar married Edgitha. Edgitha was born about 942 in England.

The child from this marriage was:

128710221371       i.  Ealdgyth Morcarsdottir Of MERCIA (born about 968 in Mercia, England)


257420442743. Edgitha 415,505 was born about 942 in England.

Edgitha married Morcar Of MERCIA.2580 Morcar was born about 940 in Mercia, England.

257420442744. Taksony (Toxus) Prince Of HUNGARY,415,2801,2991 son of Zoltan Prince Of HUNGARY and Men Princess Of BIHAR, was born in 931 in Szekesfehervar, Frjer, Hungary 2856 and died in 972 2856 at age 41.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, Abt 900. 2992

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 990. 2993

Taksony married Miss Princess Of KUMANS in 947.902 Miss was born in 932 in Cumania.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Michael (Mihaly) Prince - HUNGARY Regent-Poland was born about 950 in Esztergom, Komarom-Esztergo, Hungary 2992 and died in 978 about age 28.

128710221372      ii.  Geza Duke Of HUNGARY (born about 952 in Esztergom K Eszt, Hungary - died on 1 February 996-997 in Hungary)


257420442745. Miss Princess Of KUMANS 415 was born in 932 in Cumania.

Miss married Taksony (Toxus) Prince Of HUNGARY,2801,2991 son of Zoltan Prince Of HUNGARY and Men Princess Of BIHAR, in 947.902 Taksony was born in 931 in Szekesfehervar, Frjer, Hungary 2856 and died in 972 2856 at age 41.

257420442746. Gyula Duke Of TRANSYLVANIA 415 was born about 915 in Transylvania, Hungary.

Gyula married.

The child from this marriage was:

128710221373       i.  Sarolta Of TRANSYLVANIA (born about 945 in Transylvania, Hungary - died before 978)


257420442748. Henrich II (I) SAXONY,415,1416,1444,1601,1746,2329 son of Duke Of Saxony Heinrich I "The Fowler" King Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE and Queen Of The Germans Matilda, Countess Of RINGELHEIM, was born in 919 in , Saxony, Germany 1436 and died on 1 November 955 in Bavaria 1436,2329,2330 at age 36. Another name for Henrich was Heinrich I Count Of BAYERN.

Henrich married Judith Of BAVARIA,1416 daughter of Arnulf I "The Bad" Duke Of BAVARIA and Agnes Of UNGARN. Judith was born about 925 in Bayern, Germany and died about 987 about age 62. Another name for Judith was Judith Of SCHEYERN.

The child from this marriage was:

128710221374       i.  Henry II "The Quarrelsome" Duke Of BAVARIA (born in 951 in Bavaria - died on 28 August 995)


257420442749. Judith Of BAVARIA,415,1416 daughter of Arnulf I "The Bad" Duke Of BAVARIA and Agnes Of UNGARN, was born about 925 in Bayern, Germany and died about 987 about age 62. Another name for Judith was Judith Of SCHEYERN.

Judith married Henrich II (I) SAXONY,1416,1601,2329 son of Duke Of Saxony Heinrich I "The Fowler" King Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE and Queen Of The Germans Matilda, Countess Of RINGELHEIM. Henrich was born in 919 in , Saxony, Germany 1436 and died on 1 November 955 in Bavaria 1436,2329,2330 at age 36. Another name for Henrich was Heinrich I Count Of BAYERN.

257420442750. Count Of Paris Conrad I King Of BURGUNDY,415,505,1444,1601,1746,2913,2994 son of Rudolph II Of Burgundy, King Of ITALY and Bertha Von SWABIA, was born in 924 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France 2539 and died on 19 October 993 1447,2323,2909,2913 at age 69. Other names for Conrad were Konrad I, Konrad The Peaceful, Le Pacifique=The Pacific, Peaceful, Conrad I King Of ARLES, Conrad I Le Pacifique, and Roi Des DEUX-BOURGOGNES.

Conrad married Matilda (Maud) Princess Of FRANCE,2913,2995 daughter of Louis IV "Transmarinus" King Of FRANCE and Gerberga Of SAXONY Abbess Of Notre Dame, on 10 August 964 in 2ND Wife.2913 Matilda was born about 943 in Laon, Aisne, Picardy, France 2913 and died on 26 November 991 2909,2913 about age 48. Other names for Matilda were Matilda, and Mathilde CAROLINGIEN.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Bertha Of ARLES was born about 964 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France 2480 and died after 1010 in Blois, Loir-Et-Cher, Orleanais/Centre, France 2480. Another name for Bertha was Bertha Of BURGUNDY.

                  ii.  Gerberga Princess Of BURGUNDY was born in 965 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France 2756 and died in 1016 2756 at age 51. Another name for Gerberga was Gerberga Of ARLES.

                 iii.  Gerberge Des DEUX-BOURGOGNE was born from about 965 to 966 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France 2756 and died from 1018 to 1019 2756 about age 53. Other names for Gerberge were Gerberga Of ARLES, Gerberga, and Princess Of BURGUNDY.

                  iv.  Matilda Of BURGUNDY was born about 966 in Bourgogne, France and died on 25 May 1008 about age 42. Another name for Matilda was Mathilde Des DEUX-BOURGOGNES.

                   v.  Rudolf Iii, King Of BURGUNDY died in 1132 2323.

                  vi.  Barthe Of BURGUNDY was born in 967 and died from after 1015 to 1016 2323. Another name for Barthe was Bertha.

                 vii.  N. N. Of BURGUNDY.

Conrad next married Adelaide Of BELLAY, daughter of Gebhard Konradiner, Graf Im UFGAU and Adela De VERMANDOIS, about 950 in 1st Wife. Adelaide was born about 935 in Germany and died before 964. Another name for Adelaide was Adalaide Of BELLAY.

Children from this marriage were:

128710221375       i.  Gisela Of BURGUNDY (born before 957 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France - died on 21 July 1006)

                  ii.  Kuno BURGUNDY died after 966.

Conrad next married Ælfgifu, daughter of Edward "The Elder" West Saxon King Of ENGLAND and Aelflaed (Aelfflaed) Of WILTSHIRE.

Conrad next married Aldiud.

The child from this marriage was:

                   i.  Bouchard, Archbishop Of LYON died in 1030 2323.


257420442751. Adelaide Of BELLAY,415,1444 daughter of Gebhard Konradiner, Graf Im UFGAU and Adela De VERMANDOIS, was born about 935 in Germany and died before 964. Another name for Adelaide was Adalaide Of BELLAY.

Adelaide married Count Of Paris Conrad I King Of BURGUNDY,1601,2913,2994 son of Rudolph II Of Burgundy, King Of ITALY and Bertha Von SWABIA, about 950 in 1st Wife. Conrad was born in 924 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France 2539 and died on 19 October 993 1447,2323,2909,2913 at age 69. Other names for Conrad were Konrad I, Konrad The Peaceful, Le Pacifique=The Pacific, Peaceful, Conrad I King Of ARLES, Conrad I Le Pacifique, and Roi Des DEUX-BOURGOGNES.

257420442764. Isembert Sire De BROYES,2806 son of Renard Sire De BROYES and Heloise De BLOIS, was born about 997 in Broyes, Marne, Champagne, France and died after 1028 2806.

Isembert married.

The child from this marriage was:

128710221382       i.  Hugh Bardoul Seigneur De BROYES (born about 1014 in Broyes, Marne, Champagne, France - died after 1058)


257420442788. Hugo VI Von EGISHEIM Count Of Lower Lorraine,2584,2586 son of Hugues III Count Of Lower-Alsace & EGISHEIM and Berlinda Von ORTENBURG, was born in 960 in Alsace, France and died before 1049 in Eguisheim, Haute-Rhin, Alsace, France. Another name for Hugo was Hugo IV Von Egisheim Count Of Lower LORRAINE.

Hugo married Heilwig (Helvide) Von DAGSBURG,2584,2996 daughter of Ludwig II Count Of DAGSBURG and Judith Konradiner Of OHNINGEN, about 987 in Dabo, Moselle, Lorraine, France. Heilwig was born about 972 in Dabo, Moselle, Lorraine, France and died in 1046 about age 74.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Hugo VII Count Of DAGSBURG was born about 990 in Dabo, Moselle, Lorraine, France and died before 1049.

128710221394      ii.  Gerard I Count Von EGISHEIM (born about 995 in Eguisheim, Haute-Rhin, Alsace, France - died in 1038)

                 iii.  Pope Leo IX Saint was born on 21 June 1002 in Eguisheim, Haute-Rhin, Alsace, France and died on 19 April 1054 in Vatican, Rome, Italy at age 51. Another name for Pope was Bruno Von EGISHEIM.

                  iv.  Hildegarde Von EGISHEIM was born about 1003 in Eguisheim, Haute-Rhin, Alsace, France.

                   v.  Gepa Of NORDGAU was born about 1005 in Norgau Region, Medieval States and died before 1036.

                  vi.  Gertrude Von EGISHEIM was born about 1010 in Eguisheim, Haute-Rhin, Alsace, France and died on 21 July 1077 about age 67.


257420442789. Heilwig (Helvide) Von DAGSBURG,2584,2996 daughter of Ludwig II Count Of DAGSBURG and Judith Konradiner Of OHNINGEN, was born about 972 in Dabo, Moselle, Lorraine, France and died in 1046 about age 74.

Heilwig married Hugo VI Von EGISHEIM Count Of Lower Lorraine,2584,2586 son of Hugues III Count Of Lower-Alsace & EGISHEIM and Berlinda Von ORTENBURG, about 987 in Dabo, Moselle, Lorraine, France. Hugo was born in 960 in Alsace, France and died before 1049 in Eguisheim, Haute-Rhin, Alsace, France. Another name for Hugo was Hugo IV Von Egisheim Count Of Lower LORRAINE.

257420442800. Gerard I Count Von WASSENBERG was born about 988 in Wassenburg, Lorraine Now Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany and died in 1035 in Heinsberg, Lorraine Now Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany about age 47.

Gerard married.

The child from this marriage was:

128710221400       i.  Gerard II Count Von WASSENBERG (born about 1013 in Wassenburg, Lorraine Now Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany - died in 1086)


257420442856. Herfast (Arfastus) De CREPON,415,1778,2234 son of Herbastus Forester Of ARQUE and Gunnhild OLAFSDOTTIR Princess Of Sweden, was born about 955 in Arque, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died in Crepon, Calvados, Normandy, France.

General Notes: The following is excerpted (full post is in notes under father) from a post to SGM, 3 Dec 1996, by Todd Farmerie:

From: Todd A. Farmerie (taf2@po.cwru.edu)
Subject: Robert de Torigny and the family of Gunnor, Duchess of Normandy
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 1996/12/03

The only known brother of Gunnor was Arfast/Herfast, of whom we gain what little insight we have from a trial of heretics conducted by Robert II. Arfast testified that he had pretended to join the sect, all the better to denounce them when the time arose. He later donated lands to the monastery of St. Pere, to which he retired. He had at least two sons: Osbern, who was steward to the later Dukes, and was murdered by William de Montgomery while defending the young Duke William; and Ranulf, known from charters. Osbern maried a niece of Richard I (the daughter of his half-brother) and by her was the father of the Conquest baron William Fitz Osbern.

Note: William de Montgomery was great grandson of Senfria "not' de Crepon.

Herfast married.

The child from this marriage was:

128710221428       i.  Osbern De CREPON Steward Of Normandy (born about 990 in Crepon, Calvados, Normandy, France - died in 1036 in (Murdered))


257420442858. Ralph (Raoul) Comte D' IVRY,415,2005,2740,2759 son of Asperling De VAUDREUIL and Sprota (Sporta) De SENLIS, was born about 943 in Bayeux, Calvados, Normandy, France and died in Ivry-La-Bataille, Eure, Normandy, France. Another name for Ralph was Raoul I Comte De BAYEUX.

General Notes:
The following information was contained in a post-em from Curt Hofemann:

Count d'Ivry [Ref: Tompsett, Wm Conqueror]
half-brother: Richard I Duke of Normandy [Ref: ES III:694A]

...Richard the Fearless' mother, Espriota, married, in the troublous times of his boyhood, a rich countryman called Sperling. They had a son called Raoul of Ivry, who seems to have been high in power and favor with the second Richard, his half-brother... [Ref: The Normans by Sarah Orne Jewett, Chapter V, DUKE RICHARD THE GOOD http://www.public.coe.edu/~theller/soj/nor/nor05.html]

Douglas mentions a 'half' brother of Richard, who assumed the title of count between 1006 and 1011. p.89 A clearer example of the acquisition by a feudal family of lands which had earlier been part of the ducal demesne, can be seen in the descent of the possessions of Count Rudolf, half-brother to Duke Richard I. Among the lands held by this man were estates situated on the Risle near Saint Philibert; estates on the Eure, including Concherel, Jouy, and, it would seem, Pacy; lands dependent on Breteuil; and lands centred on Ivry. Many of these lands, particularly those on the Eure, were inextricably intermingled with the earliest demesne of the Norman duke and must have come to Rudulf through his stepfather or his half-brother. Their subsequent devolution is thus of particular interest. Part of Ivry lands went to the count's eldest son Hugh, bishop of Bayeux, while the barony of Saint Philibert passed through the count's second son, John bishop of Avranches, to that cathedral church. But the larger part of Rudolf's possessions, including the honour of Pacy and the district honour of Breteuil, descended through the count's daughter, Emma, to her husband Osbern, the steward of Duke Robert I, and one of the guardians of the infant William. [Ref note: the previous URL of the online source of this is no longer valid & a google.com search did not show a new URL ... Curt 01/01/03]

The ducal family of Normandy early determined to have an historiographer whom they sought in France, one Dudon, dean of the chapter of St. Quentin, who between 1015-30 wrote in Latin half verse, half prose, a history of the family according to the traditions and accounts transmitted to him by Raoul, Count of Ivry grandson of Rollo and brother of Richard I Alinea. [Ref: Catholic Encyclopedia http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11104a.htm]

Happy New Year
Regards,
Curt

Ralph married Erneburge De CAUX,2760 daughter of Canville De CAUX and Unknown, in 1st Wife.1778 Erneburge was born about 945 in Pays-DE-Caux, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died before 989.

Ralph next married Albreda 2761 before 989 in 2ND Wife. Albreda was born about 960 in Normandy, France.2761

257420442859. Albreda 415,2761 was born about 960 in Normandy, France.2761

Albreda married Ralph (Raoul) Comte D' IVRY,2005,2740,2759 son of Asperling De VAUDREUIL and Sprota (Sporta) De SENLIS, before 989 in 2ND Wife. Ralph was born about 943 in Bayeux, Calvados, Normandy, France and died in Ivry-La-Bataille, Eure, Normandy, France. Another name for Ralph was Raoul I Comte De BAYEUX.

257420443220. Ansaud II "Le Riche" Constable De PARIS 415,1719 was born about 945 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France.

Ansaud married Reitrude.1719 Reitrude was born about 947 in France.

The child from this marriage was:

128710221610       i.  Thibaud De MONTLHERY (born about 970 in Montlhery, Essonne, Ile-DE-France, France - died in 1031)


257420443221. Reitrude 415,1719 was born about 947 in France.

Reitrude married Ansaud II "Le Riche" Constable De PARIS.1719 Ansaud was born about 945 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France.

257420443232. Robert I Comte De LOMME,415,1784,2811 son of Berenger Comte De NAMUR and Symphorienne Of Lorraine & HAINAULT, was born about 924 in Lomme, France and died in 981 1784 about age 57.

Robert married Ermengarde De LORRAINE,1784 daughter of Otto Count Of LORRAINE and Unknown. Ermengarde was born about 950 in Lorraine, France.

Children from this marriage were:

128710221616       i.  Albert I Comte De NAMUR (born about 975 in Lower Lorraine, France - died before 1011 in Namur, Belgium)

                  ii.  Ermengarde De NAMUR was born about 978 in Namur, Belgium.


257420443233. Ermengarde De LORRAINE,415,1784 daughter of Otto Count Of LORRAINE and Unknown, was born about 950 in Lorraine, France.

Ermengarde married Robert I Comte De LOMME,1784,2811 son of Berenger Comte De NAMUR and Symphorienne Of Lorraine & HAINAULT. Robert was born about 924 in Lomme, France and died in 981 1784 about age 57.

257420443234. Otto Duke Of Lower LORRAINE,415,2716 son of Charles Duke Of Lower LORRAINE and Adelais De TROYES, was born about 970 in Laon, Aisne, Picardy, France 2716 and died between 1006 and 1012 2716 about age 36.

General Notes: The following information was provided in a post-em (although it was posted to Otto Count of Lorraine by mistake) by Curt Hoffman, curt_hofemann@yahoo.com:

Duke of Lower Lorraine 991-1012 [Ref: Tapsell p170]
Duke of Lower Lorraine 992-1012 [Ref: http://www.friesian.com/lorraine.htm]

Eudes, Duke of Lower Lorraine in German genealogies is Otto, Herzog von Niederlothringen.
aka: Otto the Carolingian

born ca 970 [Ref: ES II:I]
born ca 975 [Ref: Settipani "La prehistore des Capetiens"]

died 1012 [Ref: ES II:I, Shorter Cambridge Medieval History p337, Tapsell p170]
died ca 1006 [Ref: Settipani "La prehistore des Capetiens"]

father: Charles Duke of Lower Lorraine (son of Louis IV "d'Outremer/Transmarinus", King of the Western Franks/France & Gerburga of Saxony, dau of Heinrich I "the Fowler" King of East Franks/Germany & HRE) [Ref: Settipani "La prehistore des Capetiens", Shorter Cambridge Medieval History p337, Tapsell p170]

mother: NN dau of Robert Count of Troyes & Adelaide of Burgundy [Ref: Settipani "La prehistore des Capetiens"]

Regards,
Curt

Otto married.

The child from this marriage was:

128710221617       i.  Ermengarde Of Lower LORRAINE (born about 985 in Lower Lorraine, France - died after 1012)


257420443240. Hermann BILLUNG Duke Of Saxony,415,1601,1746,1784,2112,2711,2844 son of Billung Count Of SAXONY and Unknown, was born about 922 of Saxony, Germany and died on 27 March 973 1784,2844 about age 51. Another name for Hermann was Hermann Billung Duke Of SAXONY.

Hermann married Hildegard Von WESTERBOURG 1601,1784,2112 in <, , Saxony>. Hildegard was born about 922 in Westerberg, Saxony, Germany.

257420443241. Hildegard Von WESTERBOURG 415,1601,1746,1784,2112 was born about 922 in Westerberg, Saxony, Germany.

Hildegard married Hermann BILLUNG Duke Of Saxony 1601,1784,2112,2711,2844 in <, , Saxony>. Hermann was born about 922 of Saxony, Germany and died on 27 March 973 1784,2844 about age 51. Another name for Hermann was Hermann Billung Duke Of SAXONY.

257420443242. Heinrich I Count Of STADE,415,1601,1746,1784 son of Lothar II Count Von WALBECK & Stade and Swanhilde, was born in 945 in Stade, Hannover, Germany and died on 11 May 976 1784 at age 31.

General Notes:
Alan Wilson has Henry has son Lothar I Count of Walbeck; but I have him grandson of Lothar I, being son of Lothar II Count of Walbeck.

Heinrich married Hildegarde Von RHEINHAUSEN,1784 daughter of Eli I Count Of RHEINHAUSEN and Unknown, after 973 in 2ND Wife. Hildegarde was born about 950 in Rheinhausen, Germany.

The child from this marriage was:

128710221621       i.  Hildegarde Countess Of STADE (born in 978 in Stade, Hannover, Germany - died on 3 October 1011)

Heinrich next married Judith Countess Of WETTERAU,1601 daughter of Udo Count Of WETTERAU and Countess Of Wetterau Cunegundis De VERMANDOIS, in 1st Wife. Judith was born in 934 in Wetter River Valley, Hesse, Germany and died on 16 October 973 at age 39.

The child from this marriage was:

                   i.  Siegfried II Count Von STADE was born about 965 in Stade, Hannover, Germany and died between 1034 and 1037 about age 69.


257420443243. Hildegarde Von RHEINHAUSEN,415,1784 daughter of Eli I Count Of RHEINHAUSEN and Unknown, was born about 950 in Rheinhausen, Germany.

Hildegarde married Heinrich I Count Of STADE,1601,1784 son of Lothar II Count Von WALBECK & Stade and Swanhilde, after 973 in 2ND Wife. Heinrich was born in 945 in Stade, Hannover, Germany and died on 11 May 976 1784 at age 31.

257420443244. Berthold Margrave Of The NORDGAU,415,1784,2997 son of Arnulf I "The Bad" Duke Of BAVARIA and Jutte (Judith) Grafin Von SULICHGAU, was born about 915 in Nordgau, Schwaben, Bavaria and died from 15 January 979 to 980 1784,2997 about age 64.

Berthold married Eiliseintha (Eilika\Hellika) Von WALBECK,1784,2997 daughter of Lothar II Count Von WALBECK & Stade and Mathilde Von ARNEBURG, about 970 in Walbeck, Saxony, Prussia.2997 Eiliseintha was born about 955 in Walbeck, Saxony, Prussia and died on 19 August 1015 1784 about age 60.

Children from this marriage were:

128710221622       i.  Heinrich Margrave Of NORDGAU & SCHWEINFURTH (born about 970 in Schweinfurth, Untefranken, Bavaria - died on 18 September 1017)

                  ii.  Burchard (Bucco) Von CHAM Of Nordgau was born about 972 in Nordgau, Schwaben, Bavaria and died after 1003 in Cham, Bavaria, Germany.


257420443245. Eiliseintha (Eilika\Hellika) Von WALBECK,415,1784,2997 daughter of Lothar II Count Von WALBECK & Stade and Mathilde Von ARNEBURG, was born about 955 in Walbeck, Saxony, Prussia and died on 19 August 1015 1784 about age 60.

Eiliseintha married Berthold Margrave Of The NORDGAU,1784,2997 son of Arnulf I "The Bad" Duke Of BAVARIA and Jutte (Judith) Grafin Von SULICHGAU, about 970 in Walbeck, Saxony, Prussia.2997 Berthold was born about 915 in Nordgau, Schwaben, Bavaria and died from 15 January 979 to 980 1784,2997 about age 64.

257420443246. Count Of Gleiberg Heribert Count In KINZIGGAU & Kinzigau,415,1601,1746,1784,2287,2522 son of Konrad Count Of RHEINGAU and Judith (Jutta) Von MARCHTAL, was born in 914 in Kinzig River Valley, Hesse, Germany and died in 992 in Gleiberg, Hesse, Germany 1784,2287 at age 78. Other names for Heribert were Heribert Count Von Gleiberg & KINZIGAU, and Herbert I KONRADINER Graf Von Kinzisgau.2523

General Notes:
Herbert I, d. 992, Count in the Kinziggau, Count of Gleiberg, by his wife Irmentrude (Herbert I was son of Udo, Count in the Wetterau, by his wife a daughter of Herbert I, Count of Vermandois). [Ancestral Roots]

Note: Alan B. Wilson (and his source) has Herbert as son of Konrad (who I have as son of Udo, making Herbert grandson, rather than son, of Udo). It certainly looks like Herbert was born late enough to be Konrad's son, so I am going with Alan Wilson. See notes under Konrad for further changes indicated by Alan Wilson, which I am NOT following.

Heribert married Irmintrud Countess Of AVALGAU,1601,1784,2287,2351 daughter of Megingoz (Mengasus\Meingaud) Count Of AVALGAU and Gerberge Of LORRAINE, in <Of Hammerstein, (Now Czarne), Koszalin, Poland>. Irmintrud was born in 918 in , Avalgau, , Germany. Another name for Irmintrud was Irmentrude Von MAINGAU.

257420443247. Irmintrud Countess Of AVALGAU,415,1601,1746,1784,2287,2351 daughter of Megingoz (Mengasus\Meingaud) Count Of AVALGAU and Gerberge Of LORRAINE, was born in 918 in , Avalgau, , Germany. Another name for Irmintrud was Irmentrude Von MAINGAU.

Irmintrud married Count Of Gleiberg Heribert Count In KINZIGGAU & Kinzigau,1601,1784,2287,2522 son of Konrad Count Of RHEINGAU and Judith (Jutta) Von MARCHTAL, in <Of Hammerstein, (Now Czarne), Koszalin, Poland>. Heribert was born in 914 in Kinzig River Valley, Hesse, Germany and died in 992 in Gleiberg, Hesse, Germany 1784,2287 at age 78. Other names for Heribert were Heribert Count Von Gleiberg & KINZIGAU, and Herbert I KONRADINER Graf Von Kinzisgau.2523

257420443520. Renaud I "Le Vieux" Comte Of SENS,415 son of Fromond I Comte De SENS and Unknown, was born about 935 in Sens, Yonne, Bourgogne, France and died in 996 about age 61.

Renaud married.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Fromond II Comte De SENS was born about 960 in Sens, Yonne, Bourgogne, France and died in 1012 about age 52.

128710221760      ii.  Renaud II (Renard) Comte De SENS (born about 962 in Sens, Yonne, Bourgogne, France)


257420443536. Landeric IV (Landry) Comte De NEVERS,415,2998 son of Bovin Seigneur De MONCEAU-LE-COMTE and Unknown, was born about 967 in Maers, Nievre, Bourgogne, France and died on 11 May 1028 in Nevers, Nievre, Bourgogne, France 2998 about age 61.

Landeric married Matilda Of BURGUNDY,2490 daughter of Otto Guillaume Count Of BURGUNDY and Ermentrude Of Roucy, Countess Of REIMS, in 989.2998 Matilda was born in 978 in Bourgogne, France and died on 13 November 1005 2490 at age 27. Other names for Matilda were Mathilde De BORGOGNE, and Mathilde De BOURGOGNE.

Children from this marriage were:

128710221768       i.  Renaud I Comte De NEVERS & Auxerre (born about 1000 in Nevers, Nievre, Bourgogne, France - died on 29 May 1040 in Battle At Seignelay, Yonne, Bourgogne, France)

                  ii.  Bodon (Eudes) De NEVERS Comte De Vendome was born about 1005 in Nevers, Nievre, Bourgogne, France and died about 1023 in Vendome, Loir-Et-Cher, Orleanais/Centre, France 2999 about age 18.


257420443537. Matilda Of BURGUNDY,415,1444,2490 daughter of Otto Guillaume Count Of BURGUNDY and Ermentrude Of Roucy, Countess Of REIMS, was born in 978 in Bourgogne, France and died on 13 November 1005 2490 at age 27. Other names for Matilda were Mathilde De BORGOGNE, and Mathilde De BOURGOGNE.

Matilda married Landeric IV (Landry) Comte De NEVERS,2998 son of Bovin Seigneur De MONCEAU-LE-COMTE and Unknown, in 989.2998 Landeric was born about 967 in Maers, Nievre, Bourgogne, France and died on 11 May 1028 in Nevers, Nievre, Bourgogne, France 2998 about age 61.

257420443538. Robert II "The Pious" King Of FRANCE,415,1601,1746,2468,2469,2470 son of Hugues "Capet" King Of FRANCE and Adélaïde Princess Of AQUITAINE, was born on 27 March 972 in Orleans, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France,2471 died on 20 July 1031 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France 1524,2468,2471 at age 59, and was buried in St Denis Abbey, Ile-DE-France, France.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, Abt 970. 1524,2468

• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, 985. 2472

• Ruled: 996-1031.

Robert married Queen Of France Rosela (Susanna) Of ITALY Princess Of Italy,1601,2112,2474 daughter of Berengarius II King Of ITALY Marquis Of Ivrea and Willa D'arles Of TUSCANY, before 1 April 988 in 2ND Husband 1St Wife - Repudiated 992.2473 Rosela was born about 945 in Luxembourg, Luxembourg, West Europe,2475 died from 26 January 1002 to 1003 in Gent, Luxembourg, Belgium 2112,2475,2476 about age 57, and was buried on 7 February 1003 in Gent, Luxembourg, Belgium.2476 Other names for Rosela were Rosele, Rosella,2477 Susanna Av IVREA, and Rosala De TOSCANE.

Robert next married Bertha Of ARLES,2478,2479 daughter of Count Of Paris Conrad I King Of BURGUNDY and Matilda (Maud) Princess Of FRANCE, in 995 in 2ND Husband 2ND Wife - Repudiated 998.2472 Bertha was born about 964 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France 2480 and died after 1010 in Blois, Loir-Et-Cher, Orleanais/Centre, France 2480. Another name for Bertha was Bertha Of BURGUNDY.

Noted events in her life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1001. 2472

Robert next married Queen Of France Constance De TOULOUSE 1601,2237,2470,2471 before 1002 in 3rd Wife 2473.,2481 Constance was born about 986 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France,2471 died on 25 July 1032 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France 2481 about age 46, and was buried in St Denis Abbey, Ile-DE-France, France. Other names for Constance were Constance Of ARLES, and1270 Constance De TOULOUSE.

Robert next married Queen Of France Bertha Princess Of BURGUNDY 1601 in , , , France. Bertha was born in 967 in Burgundy, , France and died from 16 January 1015 to 1016 at age 48.

257420443539. Queen Of France Constance De TOULOUSE,415,1601,1746,2237,2470,2471 daughter of William II Count Of Arles & PROVENCE and Countess Of Toulouse Adelaide (Blanche\Adele) D' ANJOU [Countess Of Gevaf, was born about 986 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France,2471 died on 25 July 1032 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France 2481 about age 46, and was buried in St Denis Abbey, Ile-DE-France, France. Other names for Constance were Constance Of ARLES, and1270 Constance De TOULOUSE.

Constance married Robert II "The Pious" King Of FRANCE 1601,2468,2469,2470 before 1002 in 3rd Wife 2473.,2481 Robert was born on 27 March 972 in Orleans, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France,2471 died on 20 July 1031 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France 1524,2468,2471 at age 59, and was buried in St Denis Abbey, Ile-DE-France, France.

257420443540. Milo IV Comte De TONNERRE,415,2491,2816 son of Milo III Comte De TONNERRE and Ingeltrude (Engeltrudis) De BRIENNE, was born about 960 in Tonnerre, Yonne, Bourgogne, France and died before 998 2816.

General Notes: Note: Ed Mann, following "Royalty for Commoners" has Milo's father as Gui II de Tonnerre (d. aft. 994) by Adela, and Gui II was son of Milo III. Settipani omitted that generation, going straight to Milo III.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, Bef 1002. 2491

Milo married Ermengarde De MACON,2491 daughter of Alberic II Count Of MACON & Salins and Ermentrude Of Roucy, Countess Of REIMS, in 1st Husband. Ermengarde was born about 972 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France 2493 and died after 1018 2491. Other names for Ermengarde were Ermengarde Of BAR (A Mistake), and2494 Ermengarde De BAR-SUR-SEINE (A Mistake).2493

257420443541. Ermengarde De MACON,415,2491 daughter of Alberic II Count Of MACON & Salins and Ermentrude Of Roucy, Countess Of REIMS, was born about 972 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France 2493 and died after 1018 2491. Other names for Ermengarde were Ermengarde Of BAR (A Mistake), and2494 Ermengarde De BAR-SUR-SEINE (A Mistake).2493

General Notes: Note: AR has Herbert III de Vermandois as her 2nd husband, but the noted French genealogist Settipani has Herbert as her 1st husband and Milo IV as her 2nd. The sourced dates seem to work better following AR (which is why I am leaving them alone); however, if Settipani is correct (and he is an expert), then Herbert III would have died before 992 (Settipani has Ermengarde's son by Milo, Renaud b. abt 993), and Herbert & Ermengarde's son Otto would have been born before 992/3 instead of about 1000.

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This is an excerpt from a post to SGM (full post is in notes under Ermengarde de Tonnerre), 5 Dec 1998, by Settipani, the noted French genealogist:

The Ascendancy of Ermengarde of Tonnerre : Part II

The family of Ermengardis (no 5), widow of Herbert, not the reverse, is not < Bar-sur-Seine > (one misunderstanding hypothesis of E. Petit: such a dynasty does not exist at this time). She was, I think, the daughter of Alberic II of Macon and his second wife.

Noted events in her life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, After 1035. 2493

Ermengarde married Milo IV Comte De TONNERRE,2491,2816 son of Milo III Comte De TONNERRE and Ingeltrude (Engeltrudis) De BRIENNE, in 1st Husband. Milo was born about 960 in Tonnerre, Yonne, Bourgogne, France and died before 998 2816.

Ermengarde next married Herbert III Count Of VERMANDOIS,2494 son of Albert I "The Pious" Count Of VERMANDOIS and Gerberga Of LORRAINE, after 998 in 2ND Husband 2491.,2494 Herbert was born about 955 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France 2494 and died about 1000 in France 2494 about age 45.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 29 August 997.

257420443542. Garnier De NOYON,415,2491 son of Robert De CROYES and Unknown, was born about 977 in Noyon, Oise, Picardy, France.

General Notes: Settipani does not explicitly state that Garnier was Hevlisa's father, but he was her supposed uncle's (Hardoin bishop of Noyon's) brother, and is the only one of that generation noted by Settipani.

Garnier married.

The child from this marriage was:

128710221771       i.  Helvise De NOYON (born about 1000 in Noyon, Oise, Picardy, France - died after 1030)


257420443544. Giraud II Comte De LYON,415,3000 son of Artald II Comte De FOREZ and Theodeberge (Theutberge) Of VIENNE, was born about 985 in Lyon, Loire, Lyonnais/Rhone-Alpes, France and died from 5 March 1057 to 1058 in Le Forez, Loire, Lyonnais/Rhone-Alpes, France 3000 about age 72. Another name for Giraud was Giraud II Comte De FOREZ.

Giraud married Alice (Adelaide) De GEVAUDAN,3000 daughter of Pons De GEVAUDAN and Unknown. Alice was born about 1000 in Gevaudan, Alpes-DE-Haute-Provence, Provence, France.

The child from this marriage was:

128710221772       i.  Artald IV Comte De FOREZ & Lyon (born about 1020 in Lyon, Loire, Lyonnais/Rhone-Alpes, France - died after 14 May 1078 in Le Forez, Loire, Lyonnais/Rhone-Alpes, France)


257420443545. Alice (Adelaide) De GEVAUDAN,415,3000 daughter of Pons De GEVAUDAN and Unknown, was born about 1000 in Gevaudan, Alpes-DE-Haute-Provence, Provence, France.

Alice married Giraud II Comte De LYON,3000 son of Artald II Comte De FOREZ and Theodeberge (Theutberge) Of VIENNE. Giraud was born about 985 in Lyon, Loire, Lyonnais/Rhone-Alpes, France and died from 5 March 1057 to 1058 in Le Forez, Loire, Lyonnais/Rhone-Alpes, France 3000 about age 72. Another name for Giraud was Giraud II Comte De FOREZ.

257420470280. Arnulph Count Of HOLLAND & WESTFRIESLAND,415,1601,1746,2514 son of Dietrich II Count Of HOLLAND & WESTFRIESLAND and Hildegarde Countess Of FLANDERS, was born about 965 in Ghent, Flanders Now Belgium, died on 18 September 993 in Slain At Egmond-Binnen, Netherlands 2053,2515 about age 28, and was buried in Egmond O/D Hoef, Noord Holland, , Netherlands. Other names for Arnulph were Arnoul De GAND Count Of West Friesland& Ghent, and Arnoul De Gand Count Of West Friesland & GHENT.

Arnulph married Luitgarde Of LUXEMBOURG,1601,2053,2514 daughter of Siegfried Count Of LUXEMBOURG and Hedwig Countess Of LUXEMBOURG, about 980 in Gand, East Vries Laanderen, Belgium.2516 Luitgarde was born about 966 in Kleve, Nordrhein-Westphalia, Germany and died on 14 May 1005 1741,2053 about age 39. Another name for Luitgarde was Luitgarde De CLEVES.

257420470281. Luitgarde Of LUXEMBOURG,415,1601,1746,2053,2514 daughter of Siegfried Count Of LUXEMBOURG and Hedwig Countess Of LUXEMBOURG, was born about 966 in Kleve, Nordrhein-Westphalia, Germany and died on 14 May 1005 1741,2053 about age 39. Another name for Luitgarde was Luitgarde De CLEVES.

General Notes:
The widow of Arnulf she acted as regent for son Dirk III. She wad daughter of Siegfried of Luxembourg and Hadwig, sister of Empress Kunigunde. She lived (960/65-1005). 1741

Luitgarde married Arnulph Count Of HOLLAND & WESTFRIESLAND,1601,2514 son of Dietrich II Count Of HOLLAND & WESTFRIESLAND and Hildegarde Countess Of FLANDERS, about 980 in Gand, East Vries Laanderen, Belgium.2516 Arnulph was born about 965 in Ghent, Flanders Now Belgium, died on 18 September 993 in Slain At Egmond-Binnen, Netherlands 2053,2515 about age 28, and was buried in Egmond O/D Hoef, Noord Holland, , Netherlands. Other names for Arnulph were Arnoul De GAND Count Of West Friesland& Ghent, and Arnoul De Gand Count Of West Friesland & GHENT.

257420470282. Otto Duke Of CARINTHIA,415,1444,3001,3002 son of Conrad II "The Wise" Duke Of LORRAINE and Luitgarde Princess of HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE, was born in 947 in Karnten, Austria 3003 and died on 4 November 1004 3001,3003,3004 at age 57. Another name for Otto was Otho Duke Of FRANCONIA.

Otto married Judith (Adela) Of VERDUN,3001,3002 daughter of Heinrich (Henry) Count Of VERDUN and Unknown. Judith was born about 953 in Verdun, France. Other names for Judith were Adela, and Judith Of BAVARIA.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Henry Count Of SPEYER was born about 968 in Speyergau, Rheinland, Germany and died on 28 May 997 2710,3003 about age 29. Other names for Henry were Henry Of FRANCONIA, and SPIERS.

                  ii.  Herbert Von WETTERAU was born about 970 in Wetter River Valley, Hesse, Germany and died in 997 2515 about age 27.

                 iii.  Conrad Of CARINTHIA.

128710235141      iv.  Ulfhilde Of GERMANY (born about 986 in Karnten, Austria - died on 9 March 1043-1044)

                   v.  Bruno, Gregory V POPE OF ROME was born about 970, died on 4 February 999 about age 29, and was buried in St. Peter's Basilica, Rome, Vatican City.3005 Another name for Bruno, was Brunon De FRANCONIE.

                  vi.  William, Bishop Of STRASBOURG.


257420470283. Judith (Adela) Of VERDUN,415,1444,3001,3002 daughter of Heinrich (Henry) Count Of VERDUN and Unknown, was born about 953 in Verdun, France. Other names for Judith were Adela, and Judith Of BAVARIA.

Judith married Otto Duke Of CARINTHIA,3001,3002 son of Conrad II "The Wise" Duke Of LORRAINE and Luitgarde Princess of HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE. Otto was born in 947 in Karnten, Austria 3003 and died on 4 November 1004 3001,3003,3004 at age 57. Another name for Otto was Otho Duke Of FRANCONIA.

257420470288. Humbert I Count Of SAVOY,415,1444,3006 son of Gerald (Humbert) Of GENEVA and Unknown, was born in 972 in Chambery, Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France and died in 1048 1436,3006 at age 76. Other names for Humbert were Albimanus=Whitehands, Humbert I "Whitehands" De MAURIENNE, Umberto I, Conde Di MAURIENNE, Umberto I Biancamano, and Conte Alla SAVOIA.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, Abt 1 July 1042.

Humbert married Ancelie Von LENZBURG. Ancelie was born in 974 in Lenzburg, Aargau, Switzerland. Other names for Ancelie were Amilia, Ancilla De AOSTA, and Ancillia Of NOYAN.

Children from this marriage were:

128710235618       i.  Amadeus I De Maurienne, Count Of SAVOY (born in 1000 in Chambery, Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France - died in Maurienne, Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France)

128710235144      ii.  Otto (Eudes) De Maurienne Count Of Turin & SAVOY (born in 1002 in Chambery, Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France - died about 19 January 1059-1060)


257420470289. Ancelie Von LENZBURG,415,1444 daughter of Anselm II Count Of NOYEN and Adelaide Heiress Of ORTIGEN, was born in 974 in Lenzburg, Aargau, Switzerland. Other names for Ancelie were Amilia, Ancilla De AOSTA, and Ancillia Of NOYAN.

Ancelie married Humbert I Count Of SAVOY.3006 Humbert was born in 972 in Chambery, Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France and died in 1048 1436,3006 at age 76. Other names for Humbert were Albimanus=Whitehands, Humbert I "Whitehands" De MAURIENNE, Umberto I, Conde Di MAURIENNE, Umberto I Biancamano, and Conte Alla SAVOIA.

257420470290. Ulric Manfredo II Count Of Susa Marquis Of TURIN,415,1444,2820,3007 son of Manfred I Count Of Susa & TURIN and Prangorda Di REGGIO, was born in 978 in Susa, Turin, Italy and died on 23 December 1035 1447,2820 at age 57. Other names for Ulric were Ulric Manfred II Count Of SUSA Marquis Of Turin, Manfredo II Udalrich De TORINO, Odalrico Manfredo Ii, Marchese Di TORINO-ALBENZA, Ulric Manfred Ii, and Marquess Of TURIN.

Ulric married Bertha Of LIGURIA,3007 daughter of Oberto II Conte Di Genoa & Tortone & ESTE and Railenda Of RIPRANDO, before 1014. Bertha was born in 980 in Este, Tuscany, Italy 1447 and died after 4 November 1037 1447,2821. Other names for Bertha were Berta D' ESTE, and Bertha Of ESTE.

Children from this marriage were:

128710235145       i.  Adelaida, Contessa Di TORINO (born about 1015 in Susa, Turin, Italy - died on 19 October 1091)

                  ii.  Bertha Of TURIN was born about 1017 in Susa, Turin, Italy and died before 1059.

                 iii.  Ermengarde Of TURIN was born about 1020 in Turin, Italy and died on 21 January 1078 about age 58. Another name for Ermengarde was Irmgard Di TORINO.

                  iv.  Imilia Of SUSA was born about 1032 in Susa, Piedmont, Italy and died in 1072 2515 about age 40.


257420470291. Bertha Of LIGURIA,415,1444,3007 daughter of Oberto II Conte Di Genoa & Tortone & ESTE and Railenda Of RIPRANDO, was born in 980 in Este, Tuscany, Italy 1447 and died after 4 November 1037 1447,2821. Other names for Bertha were Berta D' ESTE, and Bertha Of ESTE.

Bertha married Ulric Manfredo II Count Of Susa Marquis Of TURIN,2820,3007 son of Manfred I Count Of Susa & TURIN and Prangorda Di REGGIO, before 1014. Ulric was born in 978 in Susa, Turin, Italy and died on 23 December 1035 1447,2820 at age 57. Other names for Ulric were Ulric Manfred II Count Of SUSA Marquis Of Turin, Manfredo II Udalrich De TORINO, Odalrico Manfredo Ii, Marchese Di TORINO-ALBENZA, Ulric Manfred Ii, and Marquess Of TURIN.

257420470292. Almon (Ayman) I Count Of Vienne & GENEVA,415,2605,3008 son of Albert II Count Of GENEVA and Eldegarde, was born in 985 in Genf, Geneva, Helvetiz, Switzerland and died in 1016 in Vienne, Rhone, Lyonnais/Rhone-Alpes, France 1849 at age 31.

Almon married Bertha Of BURGUNDY 1849.,3008 Bertha was born in 987 in Bourgogne, France. Another name for Bertha was Bertha Of FLANDERS.

The child from this marriage was:

128710235146       i.  Gerald I Count Of GENEVA (born in 1012 in Genf, Geneva, Helvetiz, Switzerland - died in 1061)


257420470293. Bertha Of BURGUNDY,415,1849,3008 daughter of Unknown (Berthold?) Count In BURGUNDY and Matilda Of BURGUNDY, was born in 987 in Bourgogne, France. Another name for Bertha was Bertha Of FLANDERS.

General Notes: Bertha of Burgundy [daughter of Matilda of Burgundy], m. a Count of Geneva, name unknown. [Ancestral Roots]

Turton says it is Aymon of Geneva, d. c 1016, that Bertha married. Also that Bertha was "of Flanders", being daughter of Arould I of Flanders & Maud of Saxony. Turton did not know of the existence of Badouin III of Flanders, who m. Mathilde of Saxony, as he has Arnoul II as son of Arnoul I. If he had, I am sure he would have said Badouin III & Mathilde (Maud) of Saxony.

I am following AR and keeping Bertha daughter of an unknown count. But I will follow Turton in identifying Bertha's husband.

Bertha married Almon (Ayman) I Count Of Vienne & GENEVA 2605.,3008 Almon was born in 985 in Genf, Geneva, Helvetiz, Switzerland and died in 1016 in Vienne, Rhone, Lyonnais/Rhone-Alpes, France 1849 at age 31.

257420470392. Count In Moselgau Frederick I Count Of Salm & LUXEMBOURG,415,1601,1746,2287,2288 son of Siegfried Count Of LUXEMBOURG and Hedwig Countess Of LUXEMBOURG, was born about 965 in Moselgau, France 2287 and died on 6 October 1019 in Chateau DE Salm, Luxembourg 2287 about age 54. Another name for Frederick was Frederick I Count Of SALM & Luxembourg.

General Notes: Frederick I of Luxembourg, b. c 965, d. 1019, Count of Salm and Luxembourg; m. before 995, Irmentrude of Gleiberg, daughter of Herbert I, d. 992, Count in the Kinziggau, Count of Gleiberg, by his wife Irmentrude (Herbert I was son of Udo, Count in the Wetterau, by his wife a daughter of Herbert I, Count of Vermandois. [Ancestral Roots]

Frederick married Irmtrud Countess Of GLEIBERG,1601,2287,2289,2290 daughter of Count Of Gleiberg Heribert Count In KINZIGGAU & Kinzigau and Irmintrud Countess Of AVALGAU, before 995 in Of, Lorraine, France.2287 Irmtrud was born about 970 in Gleiberg, Hesse, Germany.

Frederick next married Countess Of Luxembourg ERMENTRUDE.1601 Countess was born in <Of, , Moselgau, France> and died in Y.

257420470393. Irmtrud Countess Of GLEIBERG,415,1601,1746,2287,2289,2290 daughter of Count Of Gleiberg Heribert Count In KINZIGGAU & Kinzigau and Irmintrud Countess Of AVALGAU, was born about 970 in Gleiberg, Hesse, Germany.

General Notes: Irmentrude of Gleiberg, daughter of Herbert I, d. 992, Count in the Kinziggau, Count of Gleiberg, by his wife Irmentrude (Herbert I was son of Udo, Count in the Wetterau, by his wife a daughter of Herbert I, Count of Vermandois). [Ancestral Roots]

Note: Turton has Ermentrude (no last name) as daughter of Mengasus, d. 1001, by Gerberge, daughter of Godfrey (no last names). Mengasus & Gerberge look to be her maternal grandparetns. I am following AR above.

Irmtrud married Count In Moselgau Frederick I Count Of Salm & LUXEMBOURG,1601,2287,2288 son of Siegfried Count Of LUXEMBOURG and Hedwig Countess Of LUXEMBOURG, before 995 in Of, Lorraine, France.2287 Frederick was born about 965 in Moselgau, France 2287 and died on 6 October 1019 in Chateau DE Salm, Luxembourg 2287 about age 54. Another name for Frederick was Frederick I Count Of SALM & Luxembourg.

257420470400. Savaric (Savory) III Vicomte De THOUARS,415,2827 son of Herbert I Vicomte De THOUARS and Aldegarde (Aldearde) D' AUNAY, was born in 955 in Thouars, Deux-Sevres, Anjou/Poitou-Charentes, France and died in 1003 at age 48.

Savaric married.

The child from this marriage was:

128710235200       i.  Geoffrey II Vicomte De THOUARS (born in 985 in Thouars, Deux-Sevres, Anjou/Poitou-Charentes, France - died in April 1043 in St Michael En Lherm, Leon, Spain)


257420470402. Eudes I Comte De BLOIS,415,2478,2480 son of Theobald Le TRICHEUR Count Of Champagne and Luitgarde De VERMANDOIS, was born about 952 in Blois, Loir-Et-Cher, Orleanais/Centre, France and died from 12 March 995 to 996 1526,2480 about age 43.

Eudes married Bertha Of ARLES,2478,2479 daughter of Count Of Paris Conrad I King Of BURGUNDY and Matilda (Maud) Princess Of FRANCE, about 983 in 1st Husband 1526.,2480 Bertha was born about 964 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France 2480 and died after 1010 in Blois, Loir-Et-Cher, Orleanais/Centre, France 2480. Another name for Bertha was Bertha Of BURGUNDY.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Heloise De BLOIS was born about 980 in Blois, Loir-Et-Cher, Orleanais/Centre, France.

128710235201      ii.  Agnes (Ainor\Eleanor) De BLOIS (born in 989 in Blois, Loir-Et-Cher, Orleanais/Centre, France - died after 1054)

                 iii.  Count Of Blois Eudes II Comte De Champagne & BLOIS was born in 990 in Chartres, Eure-Et-Loir, Beauce/Centre, France 2683 and died on 15 November 1037 in Blois, Loir-Et-Cher, Orleanais/Centre, France 1526,2683 at age 47. Another name for Eudes was Eudes II Comte De CHAMPAGNE & Blois.


257420470403. Bertha Of ARLES,415,2478,2479 daughter of Count Of Paris Conrad I King Of BURGUNDY and Matilda (Maud) Princess Of FRANCE, was born about 964 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France 2480 and died after 1010 in Blois, Loir-Et-Cher, Orleanais/Centre, France 2480. Another name for Bertha was Bertha Of BURGUNDY.

Noted events in her life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1001. 2472

Bertha married Eudes I Comte De BLOIS,2478,2480 son of Theobald Le TRICHEUR Count Of Champagne and Luitgarde De VERMANDOIS, about 983 in 1st Husband 1526.,2480 Eudes was born about 952 in Blois, Loir-Et-Cher, Orleanais/Centre, France and died from 12 March 995 to 996 1526,2480 about age 43.

Bertha next married Robert II "The Pious" King Of FRANCE 1601,2468,2469,2470 in 995 in 2ND Husband 2ND Wife - Repudiated 998.2472 Robert was born on 27 March 972 in Orleans, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France,2471 died on 20 July 1031 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France 1524,2468,2471 at age 59, and was buried in St Denis Abbey, Ile-DE-France, France.

257420470432. Hugh III Sire De LUSIGNAN,415,1948 son of Hugh II Sire De LUSIGNAN and Agnes De RAZES, was born about 961 in Lusignan, Vienne, Poitou, France and died about 1011 1948 about age 50.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, Abt 948. 1948

Hugh married Arsendis (Arsende).1948 Arsendis was born about 959 in France.1948

The child from this marriage was:

128710235216       i.  Hugh IV Sire De LUSIGNAN (born about 985 in Lusignan, Vienne, Poitou, France - died after 1030)


257420470433. Arsendis (Arsende) 1948 was born about 959 in France.1948

Arsendis married Hugh III Sire De LUSIGNAN,1948 son of Hugh II Sire De LUSIGNAN and Agnes De RAZES. Hugh was born about 961 in Lusignan, Vienne, Poitou, France and died about 1011 1948 about age 50.

257420470434. Raoul I De THOUARS,415,1948 son of Herbert I Vicomte De THOUARS and Aldegarde (Aldearde) D' AUNAY, was born in 963 in Thouars, Deux-Sevres, Anjou/Poitou-Charentes, France.

Raoul married.

The child from this marriage was:

128710235217       i.  Adelaide (Adelarde\Aldegarde) De THOUARS (born in 989 in Thouars, Deux-Sevres, Anjou/Poitou-Charentes, France)


257420470436. Adalbert I Comte De LA MARCHE Et Perigord,415,1529 son of Boso I Comte De LA MARCHE and Emme Countess De PERIGORD, was born about 940 in Marche, Creuse, Limousin, France and died in 995 in Perigord, Dordogne, Aquitaine, France 1529 about age 55.

Adalbert married Almode De LIMOGES,1529 daughter of Geraud I Vicomte De LIMOGES and Rotilde De BROSSE. Almode was born about 944 in Limoges, Haute Vienne, Limousin, France.

The child from this marriage was:

128710235218       i.  Bernard I Comte De LA MARCHE (born about 970 in Marche, Creuse, Limousin, France - died in September 1047)


257420470437. Almode De LIMOGES,415,1529 daughter of Geraud I Vicomte De LIMOGES and Rotilde De BROSSE, was born about 944 in Limoges, Haute Vienne, Limousin, France.

Almode married Adalbert I Comte De LA MARCHE Et Perigord,1529 son of Boso I Comte De LA MARCHE and Emme Countess De PERIGORD. Adalbert was born about 940 in Marche, Creuse, Limousin, France and died in 995 in Perigord, Dordogne, Aquitaine, France 1529 about age 55.

257420470438. Cadelon IV Vicomte D' AUNAY,415 son of Cadelon III Vicomte D' AUNAY and Arsendis De SAINTES, was born about 965 in Aulnay DE Saintonge, Charente-Maritime, Poitou, France and died after 1030. Another name for Cadelon was Cadelon IV Vicomte D' AULNAY.

Cadelon married Arsendis. Arsendis was born before 970 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France.

Children from this marriage were:

128710235219       i.  Amelie (Amelia) D' AUNAY (born about 990 in Aulnay DE Saintonge, Charente-Maritime, Poitou, France - died before 1016)

                  ii.  Senegonde D' AUNAY was born about 1000 in Aulnay DE Saintonge, Charente-Maritime, Poitou, France. Another name for Senegonde was Senegonde D' AULNAY.


257420470439. Arsendis 415 was born before 970 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France.

Arsendis married Cadelon IV Vicomte D' AUNAY, son of Cadelon III Vicomte D' AUNAY and Arsendis De SAINTES. Cadelon was born about 965 in Aulnay DE Saintonge, Charente-Maritime, Poitou, France and died after 1030. Another name for Cadelon was Cadelon IV Vicomte D' AULNAY.

257420470848. Count Of Poitiers Guillaume III (I) Duke Of AQUITAINE,415,1444,1601,1746,2890 son of Duke Of Aquitaine Ebles Mancer Count Of POITOU and Emliane Aelgiva Princess Of ENGLAND, was born about 929 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France 2891 and died on 3 April 963 1436,2891,2892 about age 34. Other names for Guillaume were William III,1436 William I Of Poitou III Duke Of AQUITAINE, Wilhelm III Den EGENSINDIGE, and William I Of POITOU.

General Notes:
This is was happened to the first two Williams of Aquitaine, which is why we start with III:

William I "the Pious" Duke d'Aquitaine was married to Engelberge of Provence. He was son of Bernard, son of William of Gellone. He dsp. and was succeeded by his nephew, William II "the Younger" Duke of Aquitaine 918-26. Neither of these two first William Dukes of Aquitaine had any children.

Guillaume married Countess Of Poitiers Adèle (Gerloc) Of NORMANDY 1601,2778 about 948 in France 1436,2778.,2892 Adèle was born in 897 in Of, , Normandie, Neustria and died after 14 October 962 in France 2891,2892. Other names for Adèle were Gerloc De NORMANDIE, Gerlaug Af NORMANDIET, and Gerlotte Of NORMANDY.

257420470849. Countess Of Poitiers Adèle (Gerloc) Of NORMANDY,415,1444,1601,1746,2778 daughter of Rollo Rognvaldsson 1St Duke Of NORMANDY and Papia FALAISE Duchess Of Normandy, was born in 897 in Of, , Normandie, Neustria and died after 14 October 962 in France 2891,2892. Other names for Adèle were Gerloc De NORMANDIE, Gerlaug Af NORMANDIET, and Gerlotte Of NORMANDY.

Adèle married Count Of Poitiers Guillaume III (I) Duke Of AQUITAINE 1601,2890 about 948 in France 1436,2778.,2892 Guillaume was born about 929 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France 2891 and died on 3 April 963 1436,2891,2892 about age 34. Other names for Guillaume were William III,1436 William I Of Poitou III Duke Of AQUITAINE, Wilhelm III Den EGENSINDIGE, and William I Of POITOU.

257420470850. Theobald Le TRICHEUR Count Of Champagne,415,1444,1526,1601,1746,1921,2741,2983 son of Theobald I Gerlon, Viscount Of TROYES AND BLOIS and Richilde Of BOURGES, was born in 913 in Blois, Loir-Et-Cher, France 2983 and died from 16 January 977 to 978 in Blois, Loir-Et-Cher, Orleanais/Centre, France 1526,2741,2983 at age 64. Other names for Theobald were Le Tricheur=The Cheat, and Thibaud "Le Tricheur" De CHARTRES Du Blois.

General Notes:
Theobald I, also called Theobald The Cheat, or The Old, French Thibaud, Le Tricheur, or Le Vieil (b. c 908 - d. c 978), count of Blois, Chartres, and Tours.

Theobald earned his nickname "the Cheat" fighting with his neighbours, among them the kings of France, the dukes of Normandy, and the church of Reims. He seized the area around Blois about 940 and later augmented his holdings with the counties of Chartres and Chateaudun. In 945 Hugh the Great made Theobald responsible for holding the French king Louis IV prisoner. [Encyclopaedia Britannica]

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Note: Turton has Theobald (Thibault) as son of Gerlon, son of Robert 'le Fortis' Duke of France, d. 866. This does not agree with AR.

Theobald married Luitgarde De VERMANDOIS 1526,1601,1921,2741 before 945 in <, , France> 1436,1526.,2741 Luitgarde was born about 920 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France,2742 died from 9 February 978 to 979 2737,2741 about age 58, and was buried in Abbaye DE Matemoutier, , France.

257420470851. Luitgarde De VERMANDOIS,415,1444,1526,1601,1746,1921,2741 daughter of Herbert II Count Of Troyes & VERMANDOIS and Liegarde (Hildebrand) Princess Of FRANCE, was born about 920 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France,2742 died from 9 February 978 to 979 2737,2741 about age 58, and was buried in Abbaye DE Matemoutier, , France.

General Notes:
Luitgarde de Vermandois, n.i. [no issue with William I of Normandy], killed 942 by Louis, s. of Charles III "the Simple", daughter of Herbert II, Count of Vermandois and Troyes. [Ancestral Roots, Line 121e-19] (As I said 942, is probably talking about her 1st husband William's death. I am disregarding it.)

Luitgarde de Vermandois, d. aft. 978, widow of William I, of Normandy, and daughter of Herbert II de Vermandois. [Ancestral Roots, Line 49-19]

Luitgarde de Vermandois, d. aft. 978; m. (2) 943 Theobald I, "le Tricheur", d. 978, Count of Blois. [Ancestral Roots, Line 136-19]

Note: line 121e does not agree with the other two lines in Luitgarde's death date. I believe that it is in error, maybe referring to William I's death in 942. Also note that Theobald I, Count of Blois, was involved in William I's treachorous ambush and murder in 942 and married Luitgarde, his widow, the next year 943.

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Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann@yahoo.com, write in a post-em:

The dates are further conflicted by other sources:

birth:
(915/20) [Ref: ES II:79] parenthesis = approximation
915/20 [Ref: ES III:49]
abt 920 [Ref: Moriarty p6, 228]
abt 930 [Ref: Moriarty p36]

married to Guillaume, Duc de Normandie/William "Longsword" Duke of Normandy, Count of Rouen:
um 940 [Ref: ES II:79] (um = about/around)

married to Theobald I 'Le Tricheur' Count of Blois, Seigneur de Montagu:
date: 942/45 [Ref: ES III:49, Moriarty p228]
943/44 [Ref: ES II:46]
943/5 [Ref: Moriarty p36]
abt 945 [Ref: Moriarty p6]

died:
27.V nach 977 [Ref: ES II:79] (nach = after)
27.V nach 978 [Ref: ES III:49]
9.II nach 978 [Ref: ES II:46]
Feb 9 978 [Ref: Moriarty p228, p36]
after Feb 9 978 [Ref: Moriarty p6, Paget p135]

Regards,
Curt

Luitgarde married Theobald Le TRICHEUR Count Of Champagne 1526,1601,1921,2741,2983 before 945 in <, , France> 1436,1526.,2741 Theobald was born in 913 in Blois, Loir-Et-Cher, France 2983 and died from 16 January 977 to 978 in Blois, Loir-Et-Cher, Orleanais/Centre, France 1526,2741,2983 at age 64. Other names for Theobald were Le Tricheur=The Cheat, and Thibaud "Le Tricheur" De CHARTRES Du Blois.

Luitgarde next married William I "Longsword" Duke Of NORMANDY,1601,2078,2735 son of Rollo Rognvaldsson 1St Duke Of NORMANDY and Papia FALAISE Duchess Of Normandy, before 941 in 1st Husband 2ND Wife 1436,2735.,2737 William was born about 891 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 2736 and died on 17 December 942 in Killed At Picardy, France 1436,2078,2738 about age 51. The cause of his death was Murdered 943. Other names for William were Longue Épée=Long Sword, Guillaume I, and Dec De NORMANDIE.

257420470864. Raymond V Taillefer Count Of TOULOUSE 415,2151,2689,2690 was born in 947 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France 2151 and died about 990 about age 43.

General Notes: I originally, based on Turton, had William b. 947, d. 1037, and having children by his 990 marriage to Emma, who were born in 1015. This seems like a lot for a 68 year old man.

It turns out that the person born c 947 was Raymond who m. Adelaide (not Arsinde her sister), and had William III who m. Emma.

The way I have Raymond's parentage is the simplest. There is an alternative being debated, which has Raymond as son of Raymond, son of Raymond, son of Ermengaud Vicomte de Rouergue, b. c 860, who I have as his great great uncle (Raymond II's younger brother).

Raymond married Countess Of Toulouse Adelaide (Blanche\Adele) D' ANJOU [Countess Of Gevaf 1524,1601,2685,2686,2687 about 972 in 2ND Husband.2685 Adelaide was born about 945 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France 2688 and died in 1026 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France 2682 about age 81.

257420470865. Countess Of Toulouse Adelaide (Blanche\Adele) D' ANJOU [Countess Of Gevaf,415,1524,1601,1746,2685,2686,2687 daughter of Foulques II "Le Bon" Comte D' ANJOU Count Of Anjou and Countess Of Anjou Gerberga De GATINAIS, was born about 945 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France 2688 and died in 1026 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France 2682 about age 81.

General Notes:
The following is excerpted from a post to SGM, 30 Jul 2000, by Todd A Farmerie:

From: Todd A. Farmerie (farmerie@interfold.com)
Subject: Re: Adelaide d'Anjou (was Tiburge d'Orange)
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2000/07/30

TatjanaAV wrote:

Blanche appears to have been more of a nickname. She is better known as
Adelaide, wife of Stephen of Gevaudan, Raymond of Toulouse, Louis V of
France, and William of Provence.

So... This Adelaide was indeed married to Raymond de Toulouse? I've seen this
in only one account--all others do not have Raymond in the genealogy at all
(Guillaume III is recorded as the son Raymond III Pons de Toulouse and Garsinde
de Rouergue).

Yes. This was only recently rediscovered. There is a surviving charter in which Guillaume names his wife Emma and mother Adelaide, and there is every reason to think this was the same Adelaide, known to have married "Count Raimond". The chronology is aufully long to have William a son of Raymond Pons as well, and the near-contemporary Roda Codex gives Raymond Pons no son William, but does give him a son Raymond. These make it evident that a reworking is in order.

When were Adelaide's parents married? I've seen it as 937, when
she was supposedly born in 930, and has Guillaume III in 947.

I don't think there is enough information to provide such a date. Certainly both of them you give are nothing more than guesses, and need to be adjusted. As to William's birth, this date is wrong, based on his mistaken placement as son of Raymond Pons. A more recent guess is about 975.

Who are ALL of her children (with the correct fathers)?

Stasser gives her the following:

by Etienne de Brioude:
1. Pons de Gevaudan
2. Bertrand de Brioude
3. Etienne de Brioude
4. Ermengarde/Humberge, Countess of Auvergne
5?. daughter, wife of Herbert of Troyes

by Raymond:
6. Guillaume Taillefer
7?. Toda/Adelaide, Countess of Besalu (I question this one)
8?. Letgarde

by Guillaume II of Provence:
9. Guillaume III
10. Constance, Queen of France

taf

Adelaide married Etienne II De BRIOUDE 2685 in 1st Husband.2685 Etienne was born about 940 in Brioude, Haute-Loire, Auvergne, France and died before 972 in Gevaudan, Alpes-DE-Haute-Provence, Provence, France. Another name for Etienne was Etienne II De GEVAUDAN.

Adelaide next married Raymond V Taillefer Count Of TOULOUSE 2151,2689,2690 about 972 in 2ND Husband.2685 Raymond was born in 947 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France 2151 and died about 990 about age 43.

Adelaide next married Louis V "The Do-Nothing" King Of FRANCE,2687 son of Lothair Carolingien, King Of FRANCE and Unknown, in 982 in 3rd Husband - Divorced 984.2691 Louis was born in 967 in Laon, Aisne, Picardy, France 2687 and died between 21 and 22 May 987 in (Dsp) 2687.

Noted events in his life were:

• Ruled: 979-986 (joint with father), 986-987. 2692

Adelaide next married Guillaume III TAILLEFER Count Of Toulouse,1601 son of Duke Raymond III Pons Of TOULOUSE Count Of Toulouse and Countess Garsinde TOULOUSE, about 973 in , , , France. Guillaume was born about 947 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, France and died in September 1037 about age 90.

Adelaide next married William II Count Of Arles & PROVENCE 1524,2681 after 984 in 4th Husband 2ND Wife.2685 William was born in 950 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France,2682 died in 994 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France 2683 at age 44, and was buried in Died As A Monk In Avignon, France.

257420470880. Airaud I Vicomte De CHATELLERAULT 415,2158 was born about 935 in Chatellerault, Vienne, Poitou, France.

Airaud married Gersende De MORTIMER.2158 Gersende was born about 940 in Roche, Haute Vienne, Limousin, France and died after 969.

The child from this marriage was:

128710235440       i.  Boso I Vicomte De CHATELLERAULT (born about 965 in Chatellerault, Vienne, Poitou, France - died in 1012 in Chatellerault, Vienne, Poitou, France)


257420470881. Gersende De MORTIMER 415,2158 was born about 940 in Roche, Haute Vienne, Limousin, France and died after 969.

Gersende married Airaud I Vicomte De CHATELLERAULT.2158 Airaud was born about 935 in Chatellerault, Vienne, Poitou, France.

257420470884. Joscelin De LUSIGNAN,415,1948,2158 son of Hugh II Sire De LUSIGNAN and Agnes De RAZES, was born about 962 in Lusignan, Vienne, Poitou, France and died about 1015 2158 about age 53.

Joscelin married.

The child from this marriage was:

128710235442       i.  Foucauld I Seigneur De LA ROCHE (born in 990 in Roche, Haute Vienne, Limousin, France - died in 1037)


257420470912. Count Of Angouleme Guillaume II TAILLEFER,415,1529,1601,1746,1831 son of Armand Manzur Comte De ANGOULEME and Hildegarde, was born in 952 in <Of, , Anjou, France> 1831 and died on 6 April 1028 1529,1831 at age 76. Another name for Guillaume was William II TAILLEFER Count Of Angouleme.

Guillaume married Countess Of Angouleme Gerberge D' ANJOU,1529,1601,1831 daughter of Geoffrey I Grisegnelle Comte D' ANJOU and Countess Anjou Adelaide De VERMANDOIS, about 985 in Of, Angoulesme, Charente, France. Gerberge was born in 962 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France.1831

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Eve De ANGOULEME was born about 981 in Angouleme, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France.

128710235456      ii.  Geoffrey I Taillefer Comte De ANGOULEME (born in 988 in Angouleme, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France - died in 1048)


257420470913. Countess Of Angouleme Gerberge D' ANJOU,415,1529,1601,1746,1831 daughter of Geoffrey I Grisegnelle Comte D' ANJOU and Countess Anjou Adelaide De VERMANDOIS, was born in 962 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France.1831

Gerberge married Count Of Angouleme Guillaume II TAILLEFER,1529,1601,1831 son of Armand Manzur Comte De ANGOULEME and Hildegarde, about 985 in Of, Angoulesme, Charente, France. Guillaume was born in 952 in <Of, , Anjou, France> 1831 and died on 6 April 1028 1529,1831 at age 76. Another name for Guillaume was William II TAILLEFER Count Of Angouleme.

257420470914. Mainard "Le Riche" De ARCHIAC 415,1529 was born in 973 in Archiac, Charente-Maritime, Poitou-Charentes, France. Another name for Mainard was Mainard "Le Riche" De ARCHAIC.

Mainard married Hildegarde.1529 Hildegarde was born in 977 in France.

The child from this marriage was:

128710235457       i.  Petronille De ARCHIAC (born about 994 in Archiac, Charente-Maritime, Poitou-Charentes, France)


257420470915. Hildegarde 415,1529 was born in 977 in France.

Hildegarde married Mainard "Le Riche" De ARCHIAC.1529 Mainard was born in 973 in Archiac, Charente-Maritime, Poitou-Charentes, France. Another name for Mainard was Mainard "Le Riche" De ARCHAIC.

257420470944. Archambaud I Vicomte De COMBORN,415,1529 son of Hugues II Vicomte De COMBORN and Unknown, was born about 945 in Cluny, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France and died in 992 in Comborn, Guyenne, France 1529 about age 47.

General Notes: Vicomte de Turenne by marriage

Archambaud married Sulpice De TURENNE,1529 daughter of Bernard I Vicomte De TURENNE and Deda, in 970.1529 Sulpice was born about 945 in Turenne, Correze, Limousin, France.

The child from this marriage was:

128710235472       i.  Viscount Of Turenne Ebles I Vicomte De TURENNE (born about 970 in Turenne, Correze, Limousin, France - died about 1030 in Y)


257420470945. Sulpice De TURENNE,415,1529 daughter of Bernard I Vicomte De TURENNE and Deda, was born about 945 in Turenne, Correze, Limousin, France.

Sulpice married Archambaud I Vicomte De COMBORN,1529 son of Hugues II Vicomte De COMBORN and Unknown, in 970.1529 Archambaud was born about 945 in Cluny, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France and died in 992 in Comborn, Guyenne, France 1529 about age 47.

257420470946. Richard I "The Fearless" 3Rd Duke Of NORMANDY Count Of Rouen,415,1049,1114,1601,1746,2507 son of William I "Longsword" Duke Of NORMANDY and Sprota (Sporta) De SENLIS, was born on 28 August 933 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France,1114,2045 died on 20 November 996 in Fecamp, Seine-Inferieure, France 1114,2045 at age 63, and was buried in Fecamp, Seine-Inferieure, France. Another name for Richard was Richard SANS PEUR.

General Notes:
Richard I, byname RICHARD "The FEARLESS", French RICHARD SANS PEUR (b. c. 932--d. 996), duke of Normandy (942-996), son of William I Longsword.

Louis IV of France took the boy-duke into his protective custody, apparently intent upon reuniting Normandy to the crown's domains; but in 945 Louis was captured by the Normans, and Richard was returned to his people. Richard withstood further Carolingian attempts to subdue his duchy and, in 987, was instrumental in securing the French crown for his brother-in-law, the Robertian Hugh Capet. [Encyclopedia Britannica CD '97]

942-996: Duke of Normandy [Ref: Monarchs, Rulers, Dynasties and Kingdoms of the World by R.F. Tapsell 1983 p202]

Title of Duke, again, was not likely generally used by Richard I or his son Richard II, whose official documents style themselves "count of Rouen." Later eleventh century documents use the term Duke - and adopted for historical record. [Ref: William The Conqueror, The Norman Impact Upon England by David C. Douglas 1964]

'Richard I and his new settler in-laws of the 960's were the winners who lasted. In becoming so they learned (and taught) two principles of success that marked them off from the Franks. They learned the value of a strong centralizing chieftain who could at least freeze the status quo once his own local chieftains had taken what they wanted. The more successful he was, the more chiefs attached themselves to him for just this: with his warranty, backed by his chieftains, their defeated enemies could not recover by violence what had been taken from them by violence. Thus were the Norman dukes 'settlers of quarrels.' Fearlessness was the necessary quality in such a coordinating chieftain, and Richard I, who has no encomiast of his deeds, has at least this sobriquet, 'the Fearless' Those who were great fighters and the ruthlessly, selectively violent, were the great centralizers among the threatened and rapacious Norse.' [Ref: Predatory Kinship and the Creation of Norman Power, 840-1066 by Eleanor Searle, University of California Press, 1988 -Charlotte's Web Geneology http://www.charweb.org/gen/rjones/d0042/g0000019.htm#I238]

"RICHARD I, "the Fearless", Duke of Normandy, b. Fecamp ca. 933, named father's h. 29 May 942, d. 20 Nov. 996; m. (1) (Danish wife) Gunnor, d. 1027 or 1031, dau. of the forester of Arques, but betrothed ca. 945 & event. m. (2) 960 to Emma, d. ca. 968, dau. Hugh Capet ..., Count of Paurs. After Emma's death, m. (Christian marriage) Gunnor to legit. their children. ... By Gunnor, Richard had [RICHARD II]." [Ref: Weis AR7:110-111]

"When in 942 William was murdered at the instigation of Count Arnulf of Flanders, his son Richard, still a minor, succeeded him. Louis IV and Hugh the Great each tried to seize Normandy, and Louis took charge of Richard. He then ensconced himself at Rouen and Hugh took Bayeux, which still had a Scandinavian leader called Sictric. Richard escaped from his custody at Laon, retook Rouen, and called on another Viking leader, Harald of the Bassin, for help. The Normans under Richard were able to re-establish their autonomy and from 947 Richard governed in relative peace. In 965 he swore allegiance to the Carolingian king Lothar at Gisors. Richard's official marriage was to Emma, daughter of Hugh the Great; they had no children, but by his common-law wife Gunnor, a Dane, he had many. Richard II, son of Gunnor and Richard I, succeeded his father in 996, another son Robert was archbishop of Rouen from 989 to 1037 and Emma their daughter became queen of England on her marriage to Aethelred, a position she maintained after his death in 1016 by marrying Cnot (sic: Cnut/Knut...Curt). Gunnor's nephews and other relatives furthermore formed the core of the new aristocracy which developed in the course of the eleventh century. Unfortunately we know little about the internal organization and history of Normandy until the reign of Richard II, and this falls outside our period." [Ref: The Frankish Kingdoms under the Carolingians 751-987, by Rosamond McKitterick, London & NY (Longman) 1983 p238-239]

During the minority of his (William Long-Sword) successor, Duke Richard, King Louis IV -- who was making an expedition into Normandy -- was captured by the inhabitants of Rouen and handed over to Hugh the Great. From this time onwards the dukes of Normandy began to enter into relations with the dukes of France; and in 958 Duke Richard married Hugh the Great's daughter. He died in 996. (Succeeded by Richard II.) [Ref: Gordon Fisher <gfisher@SHENTEL.NET> message to soc.genealogy.medieval 6 Nov 1996]

Richard married Duchess Of Crepon & Norma Gunnora (Gunhilda) CREPON 1372,1375,1601,1666,1704,2045,2234,2508,2509 before 959 in Danish Wife - Christian Marriage After 968.2045 Gunnora was born in 936 in Arque, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 1375 and died in 1031 in France 1375,1704,2045 at age 95.

Richard next married Emma CAPET,2045 daughter of Count Of Paris Hugh Magnus Capet Of Neustria, Duke Of The FRANKS Count Of Paris and Princess Of The Germans Hedwige Of SAXONY, in 960.2045 Emma was born about 944 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France and died about 968 2045 about age 24.

Richard next married CONCUBINE(S) in No Marriage. CONCUBINE(S) was born in 935.

Richard next married Emma Princess Of FRANCE,1601,2045 daughter of Count Of Paris Hugh Magnus Capet Of Neustria, Duke Of The FRANKS Count Of Paris and Princess Of The Germans Hedwige Of SAXONY, in 956 in , , , France.2045 Emma was born in 943 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France and died from 19 March 967 to 968 2045 at age 24.

Richard next married Papia.

257420470947. Duchess Of Crepon & Norma Gunnora (Gunhilda) CREPON,415,1372,1375,1601,1666,1704,1746,2045,2234,2508,2509 daughter of Herbastus Forester Of ARQUE and Gunnhild OLAFSDOTTIR Princess Of Sweden, was born in 936 in Arque, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 1375 and died in 1031 in France 1375,1704,2045 at age 95.

General Notes:
Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann@yahoo.com, in a post-em, wrote:

Apparently she was not "de Crepon" & her parentage is unknown:

The name of the father of Gunnor is unknown. Herbastus is derived from the name of her brother Herfast/Arfastus, but is unsupported. [Ref: Todd A Farmerie <taf2@po.cwru.edu> message to Gen-Medieval 6 Nov 1996]

The greater part of our information about Gunnor and her relations is derived from those additions to the History of William of Jumieges for which Robert de Rotigny is responsible. It is Robert who preserved the story of how Richard I of Normandy became enamoured of the beautiful Senfrie, wife of one of his foresters, and how Senfrie contrived to substitute her sister Gunnor for herself, to the Duke's ultimate satisfaction. [Ref The Sisters and Nieces of Gunnor, Duchess of Normandy by G.H. White in the Genealogist, New Series 1921 v37 p57]

Parentage of Gunnor and her siblings is unknown. While some sources call her father Herfastus, this was in fact the name of her brother. She has also been claimed as a daughter of the Danish royal family, but there is no evidence for this, and the context of her coming to attention of Richard I and the family's subsequent rise to power militates against her being a royal daughter. Douglas argued, based on the donations of brother Arfast to the monastery of St. Pere, that the root of the family was in the Cotetin region of Normandy, but van Houts has suggested that the Cotetin land was granted to Arfast, rather than inherited by him. Thus we are left with the more ambiguous statement of Torigny and others that she was a member of a Norman family of Danish origins. [Ref: Todd A Farmerie <taf2@po.cwru.edu> message to Gen-Medieval 5 Jan 1997]

Gunnora ... was not "de Crepon", nor was she daughter of Herbastus de Crepon of Denmark - her brother Herfastus/Arfast appears to have received Crepon only after Gunnora took up with Richard I, and thus the family was not originally from there. Likewise, while she is said to be of a noble family of Danish ancestry, it is not stated that her father was from Denmark (the family probably arrived with Rollo, in the generation of her (unknown) grandfather. [Ref: Todd A Farmerie <taf2@po.cwru.edu> message to Gen-Medieval 28 Jul 2000]

Research note 1: Was her father Herfast de CREPON or King Haraldblaafand of DENMARK? There is a lack of consensus on this. -Charlotte's Web Geneology http://www.charweb.org/gen/rjones/d0042/g0000020.htm#I239

Research note 2: father: Harald I Blaatand, Bluetooth, King of Denmark [Ref: McBride2 (possibly citing Wurts)]

My notes on Gunnora:
This is the same Gunnora known as Gunnora of Crepon, but both are of little value. Gunnora was NOT of Denmark. Some inventive genealogist somewhere along the line decided to make her daughter of Harald Bluetooth, but there is no basis for this, and what we know of her indicates it is not really a possibility worthy of consideration. Her nephew later was called "of Crepon" but he likely gained his posessions through Gunnora's marriage to the Duke, rather than this representing the original home of the clan.

What can be said of Gunnora's parents? Nothing She was not daughter of Harfast, as (too) often stated. Her family was likely of the minor Norman nobility, since her oldest sister was married to a forester at the time Richard first bumped into the girls. That's it.

Richard I of Normandy first bedded, and later married Gunnora, whose ancestry is entirely unknown. She is sometimes said to be daughter of a King of Denmark, but this is incorrect. [taf]

There are several things going on here. First of all, the father of Gunnora and siblings is not known. Attempts to name him Herbastus probably originated in confusion with her brother. Second, Gunnora had three sisters, Senfria/Senfreda, Wevia, and (Avelina). The first married an otherwise unknown forester. The latter two are confused by our two sources, one claiming that it was Wevia who married Osbern, and the other that Wevia married Turold of Pont Audemer, and by deduction, (Avelina) married Osbern. We know that Osbern married one of them, and a recent analysis suggests that it was Wevia for nomenclatural reasons. (Specifically, Turold and wife had a granddaughter named Duvelina, and it is hyposthesized that she was named for her grandmother, and that Duvelina is the authentic name of the sister, rather than Avelina. Finally, in which generation was Osbern's. This is unambiguous. She was sister of Gunnora and the others. There is no source before recent times that claims otherwise. There are two probable origins for the error that she was niece of Gunnora. First, due to the error in naming her father Herfastus, someone aware that this was the name of Gunnora's brother assumed then that Avelina's father was Gunnora's brother (the name of Gunnora's father being unknown, and probably unknowable). The second possibility is a confusion of uncle and nephew. Harfastus/Arfast had a son Osbern of Crepon, and perhaps someone confused this man with Osbern of Bolbec. Still, we know for certain that Osbern of Bolbec married a sister of Gunnora. [Ref: Dave Utzinger <UTZ@aol.com> message to Gen-Medieval 29 Jul 2000]

Gunnora married Richard I "The Fearless" 3Rd Duke Of NORMANDY Count Of Rouen 1049,1114,1601,2507 before 959 in Danish Wife - Christian Marriage After 968.2045 Richard was born on 28 August 933 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France,1114,2045 died on 20 November 996 in Fecamp, Seine-Inferieure, France 1114,2045 at age 63, and was buried in Fecamp, Seine-Inferieure, France. Another name for Richard was Richard SANS PEUR.

Gunnora next married Hugh Of COUSTANCE Bishop Of Counstance.

257420470960. Geoffrey III Vicomte De CHATEAUDUN,415,2833,3009 son of Geoffrey II Vicomte De CHATEAUDUN and Milasinde De NOGENT-LE-ROTROU, was born about 991 in Chateaudun, Eure-Et-Loir, Beauce/Centre, France and died between 1039 and 1040 in (Murdered) 3009 about age 48. Another name for Geoffrey was Geoffrey II Vicomte Chateaudun Count MORTAGNE.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, After 15 December 1031.

Geoffrey married Helvise (Elizabeth) Of CORBON,3009 daughter of Fulcuich Comte De CORBON and Unknown. Helvise was born about 996 in Mortagne-Au-Perche, Orne, Normandy, France. Other names for Helvise were Helvise (Elizabeth) Of CARBON, and2833 Helvise De MORTAGNE.

The child from this marriage was:

128710235480       i.  Rotrou I Vicomte Chateaudun Count Of MORTAGNE (born about 1015 in Chateaudun, Eure-Et-Loir, Beauce/Centre, France - died about 1 March 1079-1080 in Nogent-Le-Rotrou, Eure-Et-Loire, Beauce/Centre, France)


257420470961. Helvise (Elizabeth) Of CORBON,415,3009 daughter of Fulcuich Comte De CORBON and Unknown, was born about 996 in Mortagne-Au-Perche, Orne, Normandy, France. Other names for Helvise were Helvise (Elizabeth) Of CARBON, and2833 Helvise De MORTAGNE.

Helvise married Geoffrey III Vicomte De CHATEAUDUN,2833,3009 son of Geoffrey II Vicomte De CHATEAUDUN and Milasinde De NOGENT-LE-ROTROU. Geoffrey was born about 991 in Chateaudun, Eure-Et-Loir, Beauce/Centre, France and died between 1039 and 1040 in (Murdered) 3009 about age 48. Another name for Geoffrey was Geoffrey II Vicomte Chateaudun Count MORTAGNE.

257420470962. Warin (Guerin) De Belleme De DOMFRONT,415,1375,2833,3010 son of William Seigneur De BELLEME And D'alencon and Maud (Matilda) De CONDE-SUR-NOIRAU, was born about 990 in Domfront, Orne, Normandy, France,1375 died in 1026 1375 about age 36, and was buried in Comte Du Perche..1372,1375 Another name for Warin was Warin (Guerin) De BELLEME De Domfront.

Warin married Melisende De CHATEAUDUN, daughter of Geoffrey II Vicomte De CHATEAUDUN and Milasinde De NOGENT-LE-ROTROU. Melisende was born before 990 in Chateaudun, Eure-Et-Loir, Beauce/Centre, France and died after 1031.

The child from this marriage was:

128710235481       i.  Adeline (Adeliz) De Belleme De DOMFRONT (born about 1018 in Domfront, Orne, Normandy, France)


257420470963. Melisende De CHATEAUDUN,415 daughter of Geoffrey II Vicomte De CHATEAUDUN and Milasinde De NOGENT-LE-ROTROU, was born before 990 in Chateaudun, Eure-Et-Loir, Beauce/Centre, France and died after 1031.

Melisende married Warin (Guerin) De Belleme De DOMFRONT,1375,2833,3010 son of William Seigneur De BELLEME And D'alencon and Maud (Matilda) De CONDE-SUR-NOIRAU. Warin was born about 990 in Domfront, Orne, Normandy, France,1375 died in 1026 1375 about age 36, and was buried in Comte Du Perche..1372,1375 Another name for Warin was Warin (Guerin) De BELLEME De Domfront.

257420471040. Berenguer Ramon I Count Of BARCELONA,415,2244 son of Raymond Borrell III Barcelona BERENGAR Count Of Barcelona and Ermensinde Of CARCASSONNE, was born in 1005 in Barcelona, Spain, died on 26 May 1035 in Barcelona, Spain 1980,2244 at age 30, and was buried in Santa Marie, DE Ripoll, Spain.

Berenguer married Sancha Sanchez De CASTILE, daughter of Sancho Garcia Count Of CASTILE and Urraca Of CASTILE, in 1021. Sancha was born in 1006 in Castille, Spain, died on 26 June 1026 at age 20, and was buried in Santa Marie, DE Ripoll, Spain.

Berenguer next married Guisle D' AMPURIAS 1980 after 1026 in 3rd Wife. Guisle was born about 1005 in Balsareny, Spain.

257420471041. Sancha Sanchez De CASTILE,415 daughter of Sancho Garcia Count Of CASTILE and Urraca Of CASTILE, was born in 1006 in Castille, Spain, died on 26 June 1026 at age 20, and was buried in Santa Marie, DE Ripoll, Spain.

Sancha married Berenguer Ramon I Count Of BARCELONA,2244 son of Raymond Borrell III Barcelona BERENGAR Count Of Barcelona and Ermensinde Of CARCASSONNE, in 1021. Berenguer was born in 1005 in Barcelona, Spain, died on 26 May 1035 in Barcelona, Spain 1980,2244 at age 30, and was buried in Santa Marie, DE Ripoll, Spain.

257420471046. Guaimar IV Prince Of Capua & Amalfi & SALERNO,415,2482 son of Guaimar III Co-Regent & Prince Of SALERNO and Gaitelgrima Of Benevento & CAPUA, was born about 1010 in Salerno, Italy 2794 and died on 3 July 1052 in Murdered 2794 about age 42.

General Notes: In 1043 lost Capua, Calabria and Apulia to Normans

Guaimar married Porpora Of TABELLARIA,2232 daughter of Landolfo Count Of TABELLARIA and Aldara Of SAN MASSIMO. Porpora was born about 1010 in Tabelaria, Italy.

Children from this marriage were:

128710235523       i.  Sigelgaita (Sichelgaite) Princess Of SALERNO (born in 1031 in Salerno, Italy - died on 27 July 1090)

                  ii.  Maria Di SALERNO was born about 1033 in Salerno, Italy and died after 1104.


257420471047. Porpora Of TABELLARIA,415,2232 daughter of Landolfo Count Of TABELLARIA and Aldara Of SAN MASSIMO, was born about 1010 in Tabelaria, Italy.

Porpora married Guaimar IV Prince Of Capua & Amalfi & SALERNO,2482 son of Guaimar III Co-Regent & Prince Of SALERNO and Gaitelgrima Of Benevento & CAPUA. Guaimar was born about 1010 in Salerno, Italy 2794 and died on 3 July 1052 in Murdered 2794 about age 42.

257420471048. Richard II Vicomte De RODEZ,415 son of Richard I Vicomte De RODEZ and Senegonde De BEZIERS, was born about 1003 in Rodes, Pyrenees-Orientales, Languedoc-Roussillon, France and died before 1051 in Gevaudan, Alpes-DE-Haute-Provence, Provence, France. Other names for Richard were Richard II Vicomte De GEVAUDAN, and Richard II Vicomte De MILHAUD.2482

Richard married Rixinde De NARBONNE, daughter of Berenger I Vicomte De NARBONNE and Garsinde De BEZALU. Rixinde was born about 1020 in Narbonne, Aude, Languedoc, France.

The child from this marriage was:

128710235524       i.  Berenger Vicomte De RODEZ (born about 1040 in Rodes, Pyrenees-Orientales, Languedoc-Roussillon, France - died after 12 April 1080 in Gevaudan, Alpes-DE-Haute-Provence, Provence, France)


257420471049. Rixinde De NARBONNE,415 daughter of Berenger I Vicomte De NARBONNE and Garsinde De BEZALU, was born about 1020 in Narbonne, Aude, Languedoc, France.

Rixinde married Richard II Vicomte De RODEZ, son of Richard I Vicomte De RODEZ and Senegonde De BEZIERS. Richard was born about 1003 in Rodes, Pyrenees-Orientales, Languedoc-Roussillon, France and died before 1051 in Gevaudan, Alpes-DE-Haute-Provence, Provence, France. Other names for Richard were Richard II Vicomte De GEVAUDAN, and Richard II Vicomte De MILHAUD.2482

257420471050. Gilbert II Vicomte De CARLAT,415,2482 son of Giselbert I Vicomte De CARLAT and Agnes Of MELS, was born about 1005 in Carlat, Cantal, Auvergne, France and died in 1071 about age 66.

Gilbert married Nobile De LODEVE,2482 daughter of Odon (Odo) Vicomte De LODEVE and Chimberge. Nobile was born about 1005 in Lodeve, Septimania, France and died after 1098.

The child from this marriage was:

128710235525       i.  Adyle (Adele) Vicomtessa De CARLAT (born about 1041 in Carlat, Cantal, Auvergne, France)


257420471051. Nobile De LODEVE,415,2482 daughter of Odon (Odo) Vicomte De LODEVE and Chimberge, was born about 1005 in Lodeve, Septimania, France and died after 1098.

Nobile married Gilbert II Vicomte De CARLAT,2482 son of Giselbert I Vicomte De CARLAT and Agnes Of MELS. Gilbert was born about 1005 in Carlat, Cantal, Auvergne, France and died in 1071 about age 66.

257420471052. William III Count Of Arles & PROVENCE,415,1541 son of William II Count Of Arles & PROVENCE and Countess Of Toulouse Adelaide (Blanche\Adele) D' ANJOU [Countess Of Gevaf, was born about 985 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France and died in 1018 about age 33.

William married Gerberga De BOURGOGNE,1541 daughter of Otto Guillaume Count Of BURGUNDY and Ermentrude Of Roucy, Countess Of REIMS, in 1002. Gerberga was born about 986 in Bourgogne, France and died before 1023. Another name for Gerberga was Gerberge Of BURGUNDY.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Fulk (William) Bertrand Count Of PROVENCE was born about 1003 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France and died on 27 April 1051 about age 48.

128710235526      ii.  Geoffrey I Count Of ARLES (born about 1017 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France - died in 1063)


257420471053. Gerberga De BOURGOGNE,415,1444,1541 daughter of Otto Guillaume Count Of BURGUNDY and Ermentrude Of Roucy, Countess Of REIMS, was born about 986 in Bourgogne, France and died before 1023. Another name for Gerberga was Gerberge Of BURGUNDY.

Gerberga married William III Count Of Arles & PROVENCE,1541 son of William II Count Of Arles & PROVENCE and Countess Of Toulouse Adelaide (Blanche\Adele) D' ANJOU [Countess Of Gevaf, in 1002. William was born about 985 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France and died in 1018 about age 33.

257420471054. Guillaume II "Le Gros" Vicomte De MARSEILLE,415,2482 son of Guillaume I Vicomte De MARSEILLE and Belielde, was born about 978 in Marseille, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France and died in 1047 about age 69.

Guillaume married Accelena De ARLES about 999 in 1st Wife. Accelena was born about 980 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France and died before 1019.

The child from this marriage was:

                   i.  Geoffrey I Vicomte De MARSEILLE was born about 1015 in Marseille, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France and died after 1091.

Guillaume next married Stephanie (Etienette) De RIANS,2482 daughter of Geoffrey Seigneur De RIANS and Unknown, in 1019 in 2ND Wife. Stephanie was born about 1000 in Rians, Var, Provence, France and died in 1055 about age 55.

The child from this marriage was:

128710235527       i.  Stephanie (Ettienette) (Dulce) Of MARSEILLE (born about 1033 in Marseille, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France - died after September 1095)


257420471055. Stephanie (Etienette) De RIANS,415,2482 daughter of Geoffrey Seigneur De RIANS and Unknown, was born about 1000 in Rians, Var, Provence, France and died in 1055 about age 55.

Stephanie married Guillaume II "Le Gros" Vicomte De MARSEILLE,2482 son of Guillaume I Vicomte De MARSEILLE and Belielde, in 1019 in 2ND Wife. Guillaume was born about 978 in Marseille, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France and died in 1047 about age 69.

257420471056. Sancho III Garces "The Great" King Of NAVARRE,415,2169,2456 son of Garcia III "The Trembler" King Of NAVARRE and Jimema FERNANDEZ, was born about 992 in Pamplona, Navarre, Spain,2169 died on 18 October 1035 in Murdered 2169,2456 about age 43, and was buried in St Salvador Of Ona.

General Notes:
Sancho III Garcés, byname SANCHO THE GREAT, Spanish SANCHO EL MAYOR, or EL GRANDE (b. c. 992--d. Oct. 18, 1035), king of Pamplona (Navarre) from about 1000 to 1035, the son of García II (or III).

Sancho established Navarrese hegemony over all the Christian states of Spain at a time when the caliphate of Córdoba was in a state of turmoil. Sancho was uninterested in a crusade against the Moors, but he was interested in the expansion of Pamplona, which he began by the seizure of the ancient Frankish counties of Sobrarbe and Ribagorza (1016-19). A skilled politician, Sancho pursued his aims more by subversion than by force of arms. He persuaded the Count of Barcelona, Berenguer Ramón I, to accept him as overlord. Gascony did likewise, giving him direct sovereignty over Labourd. As a consequence of his marriage (1010) to Munia, daughter of Count Sancho García (d. 1017) of Castile, Sancho secured his own acceptance as count when Sancho García's son, the child Count García, was assassinated (1029). He then took up Castilian irredentist claims in eastern Leon and occupied the Leonese capital, where he was crowned (1034)--taking the imperial title. Sancho, who introduced some feudal practices into his new dominions, also encouraged the Cluniac reformers and established much closer contacts generally between Christian Spain and trans-Pyrenean Europe. In his will, however, he deliberately destroyed the empire he had created: he divided it into four kingdoms and left these to his four sons, thus making inevitable the fratricidal wars that followed his death. Sancho created the kingdom of Aragon and was responsible for the elevation of Castile from county to kingdom, though he transferred some Castilian territory to Pamplona, which he left to his eldest son, García III (or IV). [Encyclopaedia Britannica CD '97]

Sancho married Urraca Of ALVAR in No Marriage. Urraca was born about 992 in Aragon, Spain.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Urraca Princess Of NAVARRE was born about 1009 of Pamplona, Navarre, Spain.

128710235528      ii.  Ramiro I 1St King Of ARAGON (born about 1020 in Aragon, Spain - died on 8 May 1063)

Sancho next married Munia Of CASTILE,2169,2456 daughter of Sancho Garcia Count Of CASTILE and Urraca Of CASTILE, in 1010.2169 Munia was born in 985 in Castile, Spain and died after 1066.

Noted events in their marriage were:

• Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage, 1000. 2456

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Garcia IV King Of NAVARRE was born about 1013 in Pamplona, Navarre, Spain and died on 1 September 1054 in Battle Of Atapuerca, Spain 2456,2459 about age 41.

128710235540      ii.  Ferdinand I "The Great" King Of Leon & CASTILE (born in 1016 in Burgos, Spain - died on 27 December 1065 in Leon, Spain)


257420471057. Urraca Of ALVAR 415 was born about 992 in Aragon, Spain.

Urraca married Sancho III Garces "The Great" King Of NAVARRE,2169,2456 son of Garcia III "The Trembler" King Of NAVARRE and Jimema FERNANDEZ, in No Marriage. Sancho was born about 992 in Pamplona, Navarre, Spain,2169 died on 18 October 1035 in Murdered 2169,2456 about age 43, and was buried in St Salvador Of Ona.

257420471058. Bernard-Rodger Seigneur De FOIX Count Bigorre,415,1988,2118 son of Roger I De COMMINGES and Adelaide De MELGUEIL, was born about 974 in Carcassonne, Aude, Languedoc, France and died on 22 August 1036 in Foix, Ariege, Midi-Pyreneees, France about age 62. Another name for Bernard-Rodger was Bernard Count Of CONSERANS.

General Notes: Count of Carcassone

Bernard-Rodger married Gersinde Countess De BIGORRE, daughter of Arnald I Comte De BIGORRE and Unknown. Gersinde was born about 977 in Bigorre, Spain and died before 1033.

257420471059. Gersinde Countess De BIGORRE,415 daughter of Arnald I Comte De BIGORRE and Unknown, was born about 977 in Bigorre, Spain and died before 1033.

Gersinde married Bernard-Rodger Seigneur De FOIX Count Bigorre,1988,2118 son of Roger I De COMMINGES and Adelaide De MELGUEIL. Bernard-Rodger was born about 974 in Carcassonne, Aude, Languedoc, France and died on 22 August 1036 in Foix, Ariege, Midi-Pyreneees, France about age 62. Another name for Bernard-Rodger was Bernard Count Of CONSERANS.

257420471080. Sancho III Garces "The Great" King Of NAVARRE,415,2169,2456 son of Garcia III "The Trembler" King Of NAVARRE and Jimema FERNANDEZ, was born about 992 in Pamplona, Navarre, Spain,2169 died on 18 October 1035 in Murdered 2169,2456 about age 43, and was buried in St Salvador Of Ona.

General Notes:
Sancho III Garcés, byname SANCHO THE GREAT, Spanish SANCHO EL MAYOR, or EL GRANDE (b. c. 992--d. Oct. 18, 1035), king of Pamplona (Navarre) from about 1000 to 1035, the son of García II (or III).

Sancho established Navarrese hegemony over all the Christian states of Spain at a time when the caliphate of Córdoba was in a state of turmoil. Sancho was uninterested in a crusade against the Moors, but he was interested in the expansion of Pamplona, which he began by the seizure of the ancient Frankish counties of Sobrarbe and Ribagorza (1016-19). A skilled politician, Sancho pursued his aims more by subversion than by force of arms. He persuaded the Count of Barcelona, Berenguer Ramón I, to accept him as overlord. Gascony did likewise, giving him direct sovereignty over Labourd. As a consequence of his marriage (1010) to Munia, daughter of Count Sancho García (d. 1017) of Castile, Sancho secured his own acceptance as count when Sancho García's son, the child Count García, was assassinated (1029). He then took up Castilian irredentist claims in eastern Leon and occupied the Leonese capital, where he was crowned (1034)--taking the imperial title. Sancho, who introduced some feudal practices into his new dominions, also encouraged the Cluniac reformers and established much closer contacts generally between Christian Spain and trans-Pyrenean Europe. In his will, however, he deliberately destroyed the empire he had created: he divided it into four kingdoms and left these to his four sons, thus making inevitable the fratricidal wars that followed his death. Sancho created the kingdom of Aragon and was responsible for the elevation of Castile from county to kingdom, though he transferred some Castilian territory to Pamplona, which he left to his eldest son, García III (or IV). [Encyclopaedia Britannica CD '97]

Sancho married Urraca Of ALVAR in No Marriage. Urraca was born about 992 in Aragon, Spain.

Sancho next married Munia Of CASTILE,2169,2456 daughter of Sancho Garcia Count Of CASTILE and Urraca Of CASTILE, in 1010.2169 Munia was born in 985 in Castile, Spain and died after 1066.

Noted events in their marriage were:

• Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage, 1000. 2456

257420471081. Munia Of CASTILE,415,2169,2456 daughter of Sancho Garcia Count Of CASTILE and Urraca Of CASTILE, was born in 985 in Castile, Spain and died after 1066.

Munia married Sancho III Garces "The Great" King Of NAVARRE,2169,2456 son of Garcia III "The Trembler" King Of NAVARRE and Jimema FERNANDEZ, in 1010.2169 Sancho was born about 992 in Pamplona, Navarre, Spain,2169 died on 18 October 1035 in Murdered 2169,2456 about age 43, and was buried in St Salvador Of Ona.

Noted events in their marriage were:

• Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage, 1000. 2456

257420471082. Alfonso V "The Noble" King Of LEON,415,2456,3011 son of Bermudo II King Of LEON and Elvira Garces Of CASTILE, was born in 994 in Leon, Spain,3011 died on 7 August 1028 in Viseu, Portugal (Killed At Seige Of) 3011 at age 34, and was buried in St Isidore DE Leon.

General Notes: It fell to ALPHONSO V (999-1027) to begin the work of reorganizing the Christian kingdom of the northwest after a most disastrous period of civil war and Arab inroads. Enough is known of him to justify the belief that he had some of the qualities of a soldier and a statesman. His name, and that of his wife Geloria (Elvira), are associated with the grant of the first franchises of Leon. He was killed while besieging the town of Viseu in northern Portugal, then held by the Mohammedans. [Encyclopaedia Britannica, 1961 ed., Vol. 1, p. 687, ALPHONSO V]

Alfonso married Elvira Gonzales Of VALDES, daughter of Melendo Gonsalez Of VALDES Count Of Galicia and Nunez De CELANOVA, in January 1012-1013. Elvira was born in 991 in Valdes, Leon, Spain and died on 2 December 1022 at age 31. Another name for Elvira was Elvira GONSALEZ.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Nuno De AMAYA was born about 1013 in Leon, Spain.

128710235541      ii.  Sancha Princess Of LEON (born about 1017 in Leon, Spain - died on 7 November 1067)

Alfonso next married Urraca Princess Of NAVARRE,3011 daughter of Sancho III Garces "The Great" King Of NAVARRE and Urraca Of ALVAR, between 1023 and 1024.3011 Urraca was born about 1009 of Pamplona, Navarre, Spain.

The child from this marriage was:

                   i.  Ximena Of LEON was born about 1026 in Leon, Spain.


257420471083. Elvira Gonzales Of VALDES,415 daughter of Melendo Gonsalez Of VALDES Count Of Galicia and Nunez De CELANOVA, was born in 991 in Valdes, Leon, Spain and died on 2 December 1022 at age 31. Another name for Elvira was Elvira GONSALEZ.

General Notes: Stuart's "Royalty For Commoners" (276:33) & (277:33).

Elvira married Alfonso V "The Noble" King Of LEON,2456,3011 son of Bermudo II King Of LEON and Elvira Garces Of CASTILE, from January 1012 to 1013. Alfonso was born in 994 in Leon, Spain,3011 died on 7 August 1028 in Viseu, Portugal (Killed At Seige Of) 3011 at age 34, and was buried in St Isidore DE Leon.


257420471088. Casimir I "The Restorer" King Of POLAND,415,505,2855 son of Misceyslaw (Mieszko) II King Of POLAND and Rixa (Richenza) De LORRAINE, was born on 25 July 1016 in Krakow, Poland 2649 and died on 28 November 1058 2855 at age 42.

General Notes:
In 1033, Mieszko recognised the suzerainty of the emperor and resigned from the crown and the royal title. The resignment resulted in the outburst of fighting for the princely throne, the death of Mieszko II, a rebellion of magnates and pagan subjects and destruction of the Church organization. Casimir, the young heir to the throne had to flee the country. Eventually, Casimir returned to Poland with German assistance, rebuilt the state and became known as the Restorer, but he did not attempt to shed the dependence on the Empire.

Noted events in his life were:

• Graduation: Rfc 378 33.

Casimir married Dobroniega Princess Of KIEV,2855 daughter of St Vladimir I "The Great" Duke Of KIEV and Rogneda Von ÖHNINGEN, in 1038.2855 Dobroniega was born after 1011 in Kiev, Ukraine 2649 and died in 1087 2649.

Children from this marriage were:

128710235544       i.  Vladislas Herman I King Of POLAND (born about 1043 in Krakow, Poland - died on 4 June 1102)

                  ii.  Swietoslawa Princess Of POLAND was born in 1044 in Krakaow, Poland and died on 1 September 1126 at age 82.


257420471089. Dobroniega Princess Of KIEV,415,2855 daughter of St Vladimir I "The Great" Duke Of KIEV and Rogneda Von ÖHNINGEN, was born after 1011 in Kiev, Ukraine 2649 and died in 1087 2649.

Dobroniega married Casimir I "The Restorer" King Of POLAND,2855 son of Misceyslaw (Mieszko) II King Of POLAND and Rixa (Richenza) De LORRAINE, in 1038.2855 Casimir was born on 25 July 1016 in Krakow, Poland 2649 and died on 28 November 1058 2855 at age 42.

257420471090. Vratislav II (Wratislav Ii) King Of BOHEMIA,415,2840,3012 son of Bretislav I Duke Of BOHEMIA and Judith Of SCHWEINFURT, was born about 1035 in Prague, Czechoslovakia 3013 and died from 14 January 1092 to 1093 3013 about age 57.

General Notes: During this period of disarray Bohemia became increasingly dependent on the Holy Roman Empire to the west. The Premyslid prince Vratislav I (1061-92) obtained from the Holy Roman Emperor Henry IV the title of King of Bohemia as a personal (ie. nonhereditary) privilege, and Prince Vladislav II (1140-73) was awarded the royal crown on the same basis by Emperor Frederick I Barbarossa. [Encyclopedia Britannica]

Vratislav married Adelaide Princess Of HUNGARY,3013 daughter of Andrew (Andros) I King Of HUNGARY and Anastasia Yaroslavna Countess Of KIEV, about 1058 in 1st Wife.3013 Adelaide was born about 1046 in Esztergom, Poland and died from 27 January 1061 to 1062 3013 about age 15.

The child from this marriage was:

128710235545       i.  Judith Of BOHEMIA (born about 1062 in Prague, Czechoslovakia - died on 25 December 1085)

Vratislav next married Swietoslawa Princess Of POLAND, daughter of Casimir I "The Restorer" King Of POLAND and Dobroniega Princess Of KIEV, after 1062 in 2ND Wife. Swietoslawa was born in 1044 in Krakaow, Poland and died on 1 September 1126 at age 82.

The child from this marriage was:

                   i.  Vladislav I Duke Of BOHEMIA was born about 1073 in Prague, Bohemia and died on 12 April 1125 about age 52.


257420471091. Adelaide Princess Of HUNGARY,415,3013 daughter of Andrew (Andros) I King Of HUNGARY and Anastasia Yaroslavna Countess Of KIEV, was born about 1046 in Esztergom, Poland and died from 27 January 1061 to 1062 3013 about age 15.

Adelaide married Vratislav II (Wratislav Ii) King Of BOHEMIA,2840,3012 son of Bretislav I Duke Of BOHEMIA and Judith Of SCHWEINFURT, about 1058 in 1st Wife.3013 Vratislav was born about 1035 in Prague, Czechoslovakia 3013 and died from 14 January 1092 to 1093 3013 about age 57.


257420471092. Izyaslav I Yaroslavich Grand Duke Of KIEV,415,2650 son of Jaroslaus I "The Wise" Grand Duke Of KIEV and Ingegard OLAFSDOTTIR, was born in 1025 of Turov, Polesye, Byelorussia 2650 and died on 3 October 1078 2650 at age 53. Another name for Izyaslav was Izyaslav I Yaroslavich.

General Notes:
He was born in 1024, the third son of Yaroslav I Vladimirovich, the Wise, and became prince of Kyiv in 1054. His mother was Irina (Ingireda) Olaf'ovna, Swedish princess. He married around 1043 Gertrude, daughter of Mieszko II, King of Poland, and sister of Casimir I, King of Poland. He had three sons, Yaropolk-Peter, prince of Vladimir-in-Volynia (killed in 1086); Svyatopolk II, prince of Kyiv (d 1113); and Mstislav, prince of Kyiv, (d 1069); and a daughter, Evpraxia, married to Mieczslav of Poland. Yaropolk had two sons, Yaroslav and Vyacheslav. Mstislav had one son, Rostislav. But the line of Svyatopolk continued for many generations. He had four sons, Mstislav, Yaroslav, Bryacheslav and Izyaslav, and four daughters. Yaroslav Svyatopolchich had two sons, Yuri and Vyacheslav. Yuri Yaroslavich had five sons, Ivan, Svyatopolk, Gleb, Yaroslav, and Yaropolk. They continued the family rule in Turov and Pinsk.

The Laurentian Chronicle describes Izyaslav thusly: He "was a man fair of appearance and imposing in stature, not malicious in temper, but a hater of injustice and a lover of rectitude. In him there was no guile, for he was a simple man who did not render evil for evil." His reign was one of the most troubles of all the Yaroslavichi in Kyiv. He was driven from the city twice, regaining his throne each time with the aid of other's troops. Finally, he was the only one of the Rurikid princes to die in battle with his relatives. The menacing clouds of an imminent storm were gathering on the horizon of the Asiatic steppes. The Polovtsi came up into the Pereyaslavl region in 1055 but Prince Vsyevolod Yaroslavich came to terms with them and they threatened Russia only in 1061. The Chronicle derides the morays of the Polovtsi; they ate raw meat, drank the blood of the freshly slaughtered herds, and also drank the mare's milk. In 1061 under the command of their Prince Sekala, they suddenly burst into regions of Russia, attacked Vsyevolod, thrashed him and returned to the Don with their loot. From this event begins the period of misery. The people's attention was focused on a comet and many other unexplained occurrences.

A first portend of war was the internecine struggle between the brothers which erupted over which of the brothers was the rightful ruler of the Tmutorokan land. Prince Rostislav, son of Vladimir Yaroslavich, was without an appanage, (he ran from Novgorod between 1052 and 1054) and therefor called upon loyal boyars and evicted his cousin, the young Prince Gleb Svyatoslavich, reigning over the Tmutorokan region. Rostislav's uncle, Svyatoslav, upon hearing of this decided to punish his nephew and amassed an army, which was enough for the latter to give up the city without a fight. Just as soon as Prince Svyatoslav was gone, Rostislav once again took Tmutorokan. It was at this time that the "Greeks" sent him one of their "Sworn to allegiance trusted plenipotentiaries" whose sole objective was to gain the trust of Rostislav and then poison him while enjoying his hospitality.
This was followed by the appearance of another intruder, Vseslav Polotskii, son of Bryacheslav Izyaslavich, who saw himself as the rightful heir of the throne. His grandfather, Izyaslav Vladimirovich, was older (senior) to Yaroslav Vladimirovich, hence he considered himself senior to Izyaslav Yaroslavich. First he seized Novgorod. Amassing a war party, he moved on the Yaroslavichi brothers, who came out to meet him on the banks of the river Nemana. The battle was fierce, and Vseslav lost the day. The great Prince sat down with him to talk peace and vowed not to inflict wrath on him but no sooner than Vseslav crossed the Don and entered the tent of his brother, than he was taken with his two sons and thrown into a dungeon in Kiev.

Others were standing in line to break the clan's sworn brotherhood of allegiance. Soon on the river Al'ta after only a few months, Izyaslav and his brothers were swept by the wild Polovtsi and forced to run to Kiev, and Svyatoslav to Chernigiv. The Kiev warriors gathered and within the safety of their walls made demands for taking up arms and giving the Polovtsi a beating. The Great Prince Izyaslav was spiteful and refused to grant their wish. An uprising began and the rebels freed from the dungeon the imprisoned Vseslav Bryacheslavich. Izyaslav with his brother ran scared from the capital, and the people made Vseslav the Rus ruler (1068-69). Meanwhile Izyaslav, ran away to Poland, where he was warmly greeted by his wife's nephew, King Boleslav II.

Izyaslav drew up an army and campaigned reaching Belgorod, where he was met by Vseslav. Frightened by the strength of the Poles, Vseslav ran at night from the field camp back to his base at Polotsk. The Russians learning of this returned to Kiev and called for a town meeting wherein it was decided to send emissaries to Svyatoslav and Vsyevolod (Izyaslav's brothers) pleading for their help. Svyatoslav replied that he would defend the Kiev city if they swore allegiance to Izyaslav. Izyaslav and a detachment of Poles led by Boleslav II entered Kiev in triumph which was short lived as the Poles soon went home. In the 1060s Izyaslav founded the Dmitrivskyi monastery so-named after his baptismal name Dmitrii. On the 2nd of May 1072, the great Prince Izyaslav erected in Vyshgorod a church and ordered that the sarcophagi of the murdered Boris and Gleb be moved there. The sons of Yaroslav led the funeral procession and metropolitan Georgii declared that the two martyrs were saints.

Soon the quarreling between brothers was renewed and Izyaslav was forced to run once more, though not to Poland, but to German Emperor Henry IV. This time the Kyivan throne was taken by Svyatoslav II (1073-76). . Henry's emissaries to Svyatoslav II Yaroslavich (formerly of Chernigiv) in Kiev were hoodwinked with gifts and promises so the Emperor dropped his insistence that Iziaslav return. Izyaslav turned for help to Pope Gregory VII, thereby recognizing not only his spiritual supremacy, but condoning his rule over Rus'. The intercession of the Pope also did not have any success. Pope Gregory VII and Emperor Henry IV were fully occupied with their own struggle (Investiture controversy) The situation changed however when Sviatoslav died suddenly in 1076. Sviatoslav probably did not expect that in the famous "Zhitie" of Feodosie Pecherski (another important Russian writer besides Archbishop Illarion), written by the monk Nestor, it would also record and accuse him of attempts at assassinating his eldest brother, Izyaslav, and stealing the throne from him. The emboldened Izyaslav gathered several thousand Poles and met the good natured brother Vsyevolod in Volynia, where they pledged to forget the past and let by gones be bygone. Izyaslav now reigned in Kiev as the rightful ruler, giving his younger brother Vsyevolod, Chernigiv and to Vsyevolod's son Vladimir, Smolensk. He gave Novgorod to his son Svyatopolk, and to his other son Yaropolk, Vishgorod. Soon Oleg Svyatoslavich, the son of Prince Svyatoslav II Yaroslavich, the fourth son of Yaroslav, who took Chernigiv, Riazan, Murom, Tmutorokan and the lands of the tribe Viatichi, reigning in Vladimir, was obliged to bow to the will of his uncle Izyaslav and he moved to Chernigiv under his uncle, Vsyevolod. Oleg, by nature a power hungry man, wished to be free, and to rule independently and so he ran to Tmutorokan'.

The Prince of Polotsk, Vseslav, lived independently, enjoying his realm. The Yaroslavichi declared war on him, and Vladimir Monomakh together with Sviatopolk II set fire to his suburb ending his stay there. While they were north, Oleg Svyatoslavich, teaming up with Prince Boris Vyacheslav, hired an army of Polovtsi and sacked Chernigiv, defeating Vsyevolod, who ran to Kiev to Izyaslav. What followed was the combined forces of Izyaslav, Vsyevolod, Yaropolk and Vladimir Monomakh moved on Chernigiv; Oleg and Boris were nowhere to be found and the inhabitants decided to defend themselves. The army of Oleg and Boris returned to save the city and a battle ensued in which were killed the Great Prince Izyaslav as well as Boris. 2842

Izyaslav married Gertrude Princess Of POLAND,2232,2400,2650 daughter of Misceyslaw (Mieszko) II King Of POLAND and Rixa (Richenza) De LORRAINE, about 1043 in Krakow, Poland.2650 Gertrude was born about 1028 in Krakow, Poland and died from 4 January 1106 to 1107 2650 about age 78.

The child from this marriage was:

128710235546       i.  Sviatapolk II Grand Duke Of KIEV (born in 1050 in Kiev, Ukraine - died on 16 April 1113)


257420471093. Gertrude Princess Of POLAND,415,505,2232,2400,2650 daughter of Misceyslaw (Mieszko) II King Of POLAND and Rixa (Richenza) De LORRAINE, was born about 1028 in Krakow, Poland and died from 4 January 1106 to 1107 2650 about age 78.

Gertrude married Izyaslav I Yaroslavich Grand Duke Of KIEV,2650 son of Jaroslaus I "The Wise" Grand Duke Of KIEV and Ingegard OLAFSDOTTIR, about 1043 in Krakow, Poland.2650 Izyaslav was born in 1025 of Turov, Polesye, Byelorussia 2650 and died on 3 October 1078 2650 at age 53. Another name for Izyaslav was Izyaslav I Yaroslavich.

257420471096. Ernst "The Valiant" Margrave Of AUSTRIA,415,1984,2844 son of Adalbert "The Victorious" Margrave Of AUSTRIA and Adela Of VENICE, was born in 1024 in Tulin, Niederosterreich, Austria and died on 9 June 1075 2844 at age 51.

Ernst married Adelheid Von Meissen Margravine Of OSTMARK,2844 daughter of Dedi II Von Meissen Margrave Of The OSTMARK and Oda Of LUSATIA. Adelheid was born about 1035 in Meissen, Dresden, Saxony, Germany and died in 1071 about age 36. Another name for Adelheid was Adelheld Von MEISSEN Margravine Of Ostmark.

The child from this marriage was:

128710235548       i.  Leopold II "The Fair" Margrave Of AUSTRIA (born in 1050 in Tulin, Niederosterreich, Austria - died on 12 October 1102)


257420471097. Adelheid Von Meissen Margravine Of OSTMARK,415,2844 daughter of Dedi II Von Meissen Margrave Of The OSTMARK and Oda Of LUSATIA, was born about 1035 in Meissen, Dresden, Saxony, Germany and died in 1071 about age 36. Another name for Adelheid was Adelheld Von MEISSEN Margravine Of Ostmark.

Adelheid married Ernst "The Valiant" Margrave Of AUSTRIA,1984,2844 son of Adalbert "The Victorious" Margrave Of AUSTRIA and Adela Of VENICE. Ernst was born in 1024 in Tulin, Niederosterreich, Austria and died on 9 June 1075 2844 at age 51.

257420471098. Rapoto IV Count Of CHAM,415,2844 son of Diepold I Count Of TRAUNGAU and Maria Von SCHWEINFURT, was born about 1038 in Cham, Oberpfaiz, Bavaria and died in 1074 about age 36.

Rapoto married Mathilde Of KASTL, daughter of Herman I, Count Of KASTEL and Haziga Von DIESSEN. Mathilde was born about 1043 in Kastl, Oberpfaiz, Bavaria.

The child from this marriage was:

128710235549       i.  Ida Von CHAM (born about 1058 in Cham, Oberpfaiz, Bavaria - died after 1101)


257420471099. Mathilde Of KASTL,415 daughter of Herman I, Count Of KASTEL and Haziga Von DIESSEN, was born about 1043 in Kastl, Oberpfaiz, Bavaria.

Mathilde married Rapoto IV Count Of CHAM,2844 son of Diepold I Count Of TRAUNGAU and Maria Von SCHWEINFURT. Rapoto was born about 1038 in Cham, Oberpfaiz, Bavaria and died in 1074 about age 36.


257420471100. Henry III Le Noir, Emperor Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE,415,826,1444,1849,2614 son of Conrad II Le Salien, Emperor Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE and Gisela Konradiner, Herzögin Von SCHWABEN, was born on 28 October 1017 in Bavaria, Germany 826 and died on 5 October 1056 in Pfalz Bodfeld Near Goslar, Saxony, Germany 826 at age 38. Other names for Henry were Heinrich III, Le Noir=The Black, Henry VI Duke Of BAVARIA, Henry Iii, and King Of GERMANY.

Noted events in his life were:

• Acceded: 1038.

• Ruled: 1039-1056

Henry married Cunegonda Of DENMARK. Cunegonda was born about 1020, died on 18 July 1038 in -, -, Italy about age 18, and was buried in Limburg, Limburg, Belgium. Other names for Cunegonda were Gunhild, and Kunigunde.

The child from this marriage was:

                   i.  Beatrice, Abbess Of QUEDLINBURG was born from 1037 to 1038 and died in 1061 at age 24.



Henry next married Agnes Of Poitou, Duchess Of BAVARIA,826,2614,3014 daughter of William III Count Of POITOU V Duke D'aquitaine and Agnès De Mâcon, Countess Of BURGUNDY, on 21 November 1043 in Ingelheim, Rheinhessen, Hesse-Darmstadt 826.,2614 Agnes was born about 1020 in Aquitaine, France and died on 14 October 1077 in Rome, -, Italy 2614 about age 57. Other names for Agnes were Agnaes Of AQUITAINE, Agnes D' AQUITAINE, and Agenes Of PITOU.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Maud Von FRANKEN was born about 1044 in Franken, Laberweinting, Bavaria, Germany and died on 12 May 1060 1849 about age 16. Another name for Maud was Maud Of GERMANY.

                  ii.  Mathilda, Princess Of GERMANY was born in 1045 and died on 12 May 1060 at age 15. Another name for Mathilda, was Maud.

                 iii.  Judith Von SWABIA was born before April 1047 2323 and died about 14 March 1100. Other names for Judith were Judith Maria, Sophie, and Judith Von SCHWABEN.

                  iv.  Adelaide, Abbess Of QUEDINBURG was born in 1048 and died about 1095 about age 47.

                   v.  Itha Princess Of GERMANY was born about 1051 in Bavaria, Germany and died before 1071.

128710235550      vi.  Henry IV Of Germany, Emperor Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE (born on 11 November 1050 in Goslar, -, Germany - died on 7 August 1106 in Luttich)

                 vii.  Konrad Of BAVARIA was born in 1052 and died on 10 April 1055 at age 3.

                viii.  Sophia, Princess Of GERMANY was born in 1043. Another name for Sophia, was Agnes.

Henry next married Gunhilda Princess Of ENGLAND,3015 daughter of Unknown and Queen Of England Emma Of NORMANDY, in 1036 in 1st Wife.826 Gunhilda was born about 1022 in London, Middlesex, England and died in 1038 826 about age 16.




257420471101. Agnes Of Poitou, Duchess Of BAVARIA,415,826,1444,2614,3014 daughter of William III Count Of POITOU V Duke D'aquitaine and Agnès De Mâcon, Countess Of BURGUNDY, was born about 1020 in Aquitaine, France and died on 14 October 1077 in Rome, -, Italy 2614 about age 57. Other names for Agnes were Agnaes Of AQUITAINE, Agnes D' AQUITAINE, and Agenes Of PITOU.

General Notes:
She was descended from the royal houses of Burgundy and Italy, the daughter of William V of Aquitaine and Poitou, she became the second wife of the German king Henry III in 1043. They were crowned Holy Roman Emperor and Empress by Clement II in 1046. After her husband's death she acted as Regent for her son, Heinrich IV (1050-?) She was not an experienced politician and was influenced by the nobility to part with the duchies of Bavaria and Carinthia, and entered into unwise alliances against the dominant reforming party in the Papacy. By 1062 discontent led to an uprising in which Anno, Archbishop of Köln, took over the regency. Agnes retired to a convent where she remained until her death. 1741

Agnes married Henry III Le Noir, Emperor Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE,826,1849,2614 son of Conrad II Le Salien, Emperor Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE and Gisela Konradiner, Herzögin Von SCHWABEN, on 21 November 1043 in Ingelheim, Rheinhessen, Hesse-Darmstadt 826.,2614 Henry was born on 28 October 1017 in Bavaria, Germany 826 and died on 5 October 1056 in Pfalz Bodfeld Near Goslar, Saxony, Germany 826 at age 38. Other names for Henry were Heinrich III, Le Noir=The Black, Henry VI Duke Of BAVARIA, Henry Iii, and King Of GERMANY.

Agnes next married Pietro De Maurienne Count Of SAVOY,1339 son of Otto (Eudes) De Maurienne Count Of Turin & SAVOY and Adelaida, Contessa Di TORINO, after 1056 in 2ND Husband. Pietro was born about 1038 in Maurienne, Rhone Alpes, France and died on 9 August 1078 1339 about age 40.

The child from this marriage was:

                   i.  Alicia De MAURIENNE was born about 1068 in Maurienne, Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France and died after 1111.


257420471102. Otto (Eudes) De Maurienne Count Of Turin & SAVOY,415,1444,2819,2820 son of Humbert I Count Of SAVOY and Ancelie Von LENZBURG, was born in 1002 in Chambery, Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France and died from about 19 January 1059 to 1060 1447,2820 about age 57. Other names for Otto were Eudes, Odonne, Conte Di MAURIENNE, Otto Of MAURIENNE, Otto, Count Of MAURINE, SAVOIA, Otto, Markgrafin Of SUSA, Otto, Count Of Savoy, and Marquess Of TURIN.

Noted events in his life were:

• Acceded: 1051. 1436

Otto married Adelaida, Contessa Di TORINO,1339,2820 daughter of Ulric Manfredo II Count Of Susa Marquis Of TURIN and Bertha Of LIGURIA. Adelaida, was born about 1015 in Susa, Turin, Italy and died on 19 October 1091 1447,2821 about age 76. Other names for Adelaida, were Adelheid Of SOSA, Adelaide, Margravine Von SUSA, Adelais, and Contessa De TORINO.

257420471103. Adelaida, Contessa Di TORINO,415,1339,1444,2820 daughter of Ulric Manfredo II Count Of Susa Marquis Of TURIN and Bertha Of LIGURIA, was born about 1015 in Susa, Turin, Italy and died on 19 October 1091 1447,2821 about age 76. Other names for Adelaida, were Adelheid Of SOSA, Adelaide, Margravine Von SUSA, Adelais, and Contessa De TORINO.

Adelaida, married Otto (Eudes) De Maurienne Count Of Turin & SAVOY,2819,2820 son of Humbert I Count Of SAVOY and Ancelie Von LENZBURG. Otto was born in 1002 in Chambery, Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France and died from about 19 January 1059 to 1060 1447,2820 about age 57. Other names for Otto were Eudes, Odonne, Conte Di MAURIENNE, Otto Of MAURIENNE, Otto, Count Of MAURINE, SAVOIA, Otto, Markgrafin Of SUSA, Otto, Count Of Savoy, and Marquess Of TURIN.

Adelaida, next married Hermann IV Duke Of SWABIA,2232 son of Ernst I, Duke Of SWABIA and Gisela Konradiner, Herzögin Von SCHWABEN, about 1028 of Torino, Italy. Hermann was born about 1013 in Schwaben, Germany and died on 28 July 1038 about age 25.

257420471104. Rostaign II Comte De SABRAN,415 son of Emenon Comte De SABRAN and Unknown, was born after 1043 in Sabran, Gard, Languedoc, France.

Rostaign married.

The child from this marriage was:

128710235552       i.  Guillaume I Comte De SABRAN (born before 1068 in Sabran, Gard, Languedoc, France - died after 1109)


257420471108. Piers (Peter) AMIC Seigneur De Vedene,415 son of Amic De AVIGNON and Unknown, was born about 1034 in Vedene, Vaucluse, Provence, France and died before 1113.

Piers married Agnes. Agnes was born about 1038 in France and died after 1113.

The child from this marriage was:

128710235554       i.  Giraud AMIC Seigneur De Vedene (born about 1062 in Vedene, Vaucluse, Provence, France - died in 1113)


257420471109. Agnes 415 was born about 1038 in France and died after 1113.

Agnes married Piers (Peter) AMIC Seigneur De Vedene, son of Amic De AVIGNON and Unknown. Piers was born about 1034 in Vedene, Vaucluse, Provence, France and died before 1113.

257420471120. Berenger I Vicomte D' AVIGNON,415,2173 son of Adalelme Judge At AVIGNON and Belielde De MARSEILLE, was born about 1000 in Avignon, Vaucluse, Provence, France 2173 and died before 1065 2173.

Berenger married Gerberge De SISTERON, daughter of Miron-Laget Vicomte De SISTERON & Nice and Odile De PROVENCE, in 1024. Gerberge was born about 1010 in Nice, Alpes-Maritimes, Provence, France.2173 Other names for Gerberge were Gerberge ARBALD, and2173 Gerberge De NICE.

The child from this marriage was:

128710235560       i.  Raymond I DECAEN Doyen D'avignon (born about 1040 in Avignon, Vaucluse, Provence, France - died before 1096)


257420471121. Gerberge De SISTERON,415 daughter of Miron-Laget Vicomte De SISTERON & Nice and Odile De PROVENCE, was born about 1010 in Nice, Alpes-Maritimes, Provence, France.2173 Other names for Gerberge were Gerberge ARBALD, and2173 Gerberge De NICE.

Gerberge married Berenger I Vicomte D' AVIGNON,2173 son of Adalelme Judge At AVIGNON and Belielde De MARSEILLE, in 1024. Berenger was born about 1000 in Avignon, Vaucluse, Provence, France 2173 and died before 1065 2173.

257420471122. Rostaing I Seigneur De POSQUIERES 415,2173 was born about 1020 in Pesquieres, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France.2173

Rostaing married.

The child from this marriage was:

128710235561       i.  Miss De POSQUIERES (born about 1050 in Pesquieres, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France)


257420471136. Armengol (Ermengaud) III Count Of URGEL,415 son of Armengol (Ermengaud) II Count Of URGEL and Constance Velasquita Of BEZALU, was born about 1033 in Urgel, Lerida, Spain and died from about February 1064 to 1065 in Barbastro Castle, Castile, Spain (Killed) about age 31.

General Notes: Armengol appears to have 2 wives, both of whom outlived him. Either its a mistake or he got divorced.

Armengol married Sancha Of ARAGON, daughter of Ramiro I 1St King Of ARAGON and Gerberge De BIGORRE. Sancha was born about 1046 in Aragon, Spain and died in 1073 about age 27.

Armengol next married Clemencia De BIGORRE, daughter of Bernard II Comte De BIGORRE and Clemence. Clemencia was born about 1027 in Bigorre, Spain and died after 1065.

Children from this marriage were:

128710235568       i.  Armengol (Ermengaud) IV Count Of URGEL (born in 1052 in Urgel, Lerida, Spain - died on 28 March 1092)

                  ii.  Mayor De URGEL was born about 1053 in Urgel, Lerida, Spain.


257420471137. Clemencia De BIGORRE,415 daughter of Bernard II Comte De BIGORRE and Clemence, was born about 1027 in Bigorre, Spain and died after 1065.

Clemencia married Armengol (Ermengaud) III Count Of URGEL, son of Armengol (Ermengaud) II Count Of URGEL and Constance Velasquita Of BEZALU. Armengol was born about 1033 in Urgel, Lerida, Spain and died from about February 1064 to 1065 in Barbastro Castle, Castile, Spain (Killed) about age 31.

257420471138. William Bertrand Count Of FORCALQUIER,415,1541 son of Fulk (William) Bertrand Count Of PROVENCE and Hildegard De TOULOUSE Heiress Of Forcalquier, was born about 1029 in Forcalquier, Alpes-DE-Haute-Provence, Provence, France and died in 1090 1541 about age 61.

William married Adelaide Cavanez Of IVREA,1541,3016 daughter of Ardoino II Of IVREA and Unknown. Adelaide was born in 1030 in Ivrea, Piedmont, Italy and died after October 1113. Another name for Adelaide was Adelaide De VALPERGE.

The child from this marriage was:

128710235569       i.  Adelaide Countess Of FORCALQUIER (born in 1054 in Forcalquier, Alpes-DE-Haute-Provence, Provence, France - died about 1110)


257420471139. Adelaide Cavanez Of IVREA,415,1541,3016 daughter of Ardoino II Of IVREA and Unknown, was born in 1030 in Ivrea, Piedmont, Italy and died after October 1113. Another name for Adelaide was Adelaide De VALPERGE.

General Notes: The identity/ancestry of Adelaide is much disputed. Turton states Adelaide de Valperge (no ancestry given). Others state daughter of Guy, Count of Cavanez, and still others have it the way that I do.

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The following was given in a post-em by Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann@yahoo.com:

Actually Moriarty p103 links her via a dotted line to Ardoino II Count of Ivrea. Both Moriarty & ES II:187 show Gui Count of Conaves as her brother.

Regards,
Curt

Adelaide married William Bertrand Count Of FORCALQUIER,1541 son of Fulk (William) Bertrand Count Of PROVENCE and Hildegard De TOULOUSE Heiress Of Forcalquier. William was born about 1029 in Forcalquier, Alpes-DE-Haute-Provence, Provence, France and died in 1090 1541 about age 61.

257420471152. Bernard-Aton III TRENCAVEL Vicomte De Nimes,415,2408 son of Aton II TRENCAVEL Vicomte De Nimes and Unknown, was born about 1010 in Nimes, Gard, Languedoc, France and died in 1060 in Albi, Tarn, Languedoc, France 2408 about age 50.

General Notes: The following is excerpted from a post to soc.genealogy.medieval, 23 Nov 2001, by Nathaniel Taylor.

6. Bernard Ato III, d. ca. 1060, vc Albi & Nimes, ? Ramgarde de Rasès; issue:
.... Raimond Bernard Trencavel, d. 1074, vc Nimes & Albi, who follows.
.... Frotair.

Bernard-Aton married Rangearde De LA MARCHE,2408 daughter of Bernard I Comte De LA MARCHE and Amelie De RASEZ. Rangearde was born about 1017 in Le Razes, Narbonne, Languedoc, France and died before 1069. Another name for Rangearde was Ramgarde De RAZES.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Rangearde TRENCAVEL was born about 1033 in Nimes, Gard, Languedoc, France and died in 1077 about age 44.

128710235576      ii.  Raymond-Bernard II TRENCAVEL Vicomte De Nimes (born in 1036 in Nimes, Gard, Languedoc, France - died in 1074 in Albi, Tarn, Languedoc, France)


257420471153. Rangearde De LA MARCHE,415,2408 daughter of Bernard I Comte De LA MARCHE and Amelie De RASEZ, was born about 1017 in Le Razes, Narbonne, Languedoc, France and died before 1069. Another name for Rangearde was Ramgarde De RAZES.

Rangearde married Bernard-Aton III TRENCAVEL Vicomte De Nimes,2408 son of Aton II TRENCAVEL Vicomte De Nimes and Unknown. Bernard-Aton was born about 1010 in Nimes, Gard, Languedoc, France and died in 1060 in Albi, Tarn, Languedoc, France 2408 about age 50.

257420471154. Pierre-Raymond Count Of CARCASSONNE,415 son of Raymond I Count Of CARCASSONNE and Garsinde De BEZIERS, was born about 1010 in Carcassonne, Aude, Languedoc, France and died in 1060 about age 50.

Pierre-Raymond married Rangearde TRENCAVEL, daughter of Bernard-Aton III TRENCAVEL Vicomte De Nimes and Rangearde De LA MARCHE. Rangearde was born about 1033 in Nimes, Gard, Languedoc, France and died in 1077 about age 44.

The child from this marriage was:

128710235577       i.  Ermengarde De CARCASSONNE (born in 1051 in Carcassonne, Aude, Languedoc, France - died after 1112)


257420471155. Rangearde TRENCAVEL,415 daughter of Bernard-Aton III TRENCAVEL Vicomte De Nimes and Rangearde De LA MARCHE, was born about 1033 in Nimes, Gard, Languedoc, France and died in 1077 about age 44.

Rangearde married Pierre-Raymond Count Of CARCASSONNE, son of Raymond I Count Of CARCASSONNE and Garsinde De BEZIERS. Pierre-Raymond was born about 1010 in Carcassonne, Aude, Languedoc, France and died in 1060 about age 50.

257420471156. Geoffrey I Count Of ARLES,415,2482 son of William III Count Of Arles & PROVENCE and Gerberga De BOURGOGNE, was born about 1017 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France and died in 1063 about age 46. Another name for Geoffrey was Geoffrey I Count Of PROVENCE.

Geoffrey married Stephanie (Ettienette) (Dulce) Of MARSEILLE,2482,2619 daughter of Guillaume II "Le Gros" Vicomte De MARSEILLE and Stephanie (Etienette) De RIANS. Stephanie was born about 1033 in Marseille, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France and died after September 1095.

257420471157. Stephanie (Ettienette) (Dulce) Of MARSEILLE,415,2482,2619 daughter of Guillaume II "Le Gros" Vicomte De MARSEILLE and Stephanie (Etienette) De RIANS, was born about 1033 in Marseille, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France and died after September 1095.

Stephanie married Geoffrey I Count Of ARLES,2482 son of William III Count Of Arles & PROVENCE and Gerberga De BOURGOGNE. Geoffrey was born about 1017 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France and died in 1063 about age 46. Another name for Geoffrey was Geoffrey I Count Of PROVENCE.

257420471184. Guiges V Sire De VION,415,2176 son of Guiges IV Sire De VION and Friedeburga De VIENNE, was born about 970 in Vion, Ardeche, Rhone-Alpes, France 2176 and died before 6 June 1009 2176.

Guiges married Gotelana De CLERIEU,2176 daughter of Silvion De CLERIEU and Willa. Gotelana was born about 971 in Clerieux, Drome, Rhone-Alpes, France and died in 1027 3016 about age 56. Another name for Gotelana was Gotelinne Of CLERIEN.

The child from this marriage was:

128710235592       i.  Guigues I "The Old" Comte D' ALBON Sgr D'vion (born about 1001 in St Rambert D'albon, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France - died on 22 April 1075 in Cluny, France (As A Monk))


257420471185. Gotelana De CLERIEU,415,2176 daughter of Silvion De CLERIEU and Willa, was born about 971 in Clerieux, Drome, Rhone-Alpes, France and died in 1027 3016 about age 56. Another name for Gotelana was Gotelinne Of CLERIEN.

Gotelana married Guiges V Sire De VION,2176 son of Guiges IV Sire De VION and Friedeburga De VIENNE. Guiges was born about 970 in Vion, Ardeche, Rhone-Alpes, France 2176 and died before 6 June 1009 2176.

257420471186. Guichard I Seigneure De BEAUJEU,415,3017 son of Humbert I Seigneur De BEAUJEU and Ameldis Or Hermelt, was born about 980 in Beaujeu, Rhone, Beaujolais/Rhone-Alpes, France and died after 1031 3017.

Guichard married Adelaide.3017 Adelaide was born about 985 in France.

Children from this marriage were:

128710235593       i.  Adelaide De BEAUJEU (born about 1001 in Beaujeu, Rhone, Beaujolais/Rhone-Alpes, France)

                  ii.  Guichard II Seigneur De BEAUJEU was born before 1025 in Beaujeu, Rhone, Beaujolais/Rhone-Alpes, France and died after 31 March 1070 3018.


257420471187. Adelaide 415,3017 was born about 985 in France.

Adelaide married Guichard I Seigneure De BEAUJEU,3017 son of Humbert I Seigneur De BEAUJEU and Ameldis Or Hermelt. Guichard was born about 980 in Beaujeu, Rhone, Beaujolais/Rhone-Alpes, France and died after 1031 3017.

257420471192. Rabel Tancred Seigneur De HAUTEVILLE,415 son of Gerard Tancred Seigneur De HAUTEVILLE and Unknown, was born about 955 in Hauteville, Manche, Normandy, France and died about 1021 about age 66.

Rabel married.

The child from this marriage was:

128710235596       i.  Tancred "Guiscard" Seigneur De HAUTEVILLE Sir (born about 980 in Hauteville, Manche, Normandy, France - died about 1050)


257420471194. Richard II "The Good" Duke Of NORMANDY,415,1601,1746,2266,2495 son of Richard I "The Fearless" 3Rd Duke Of NORMANDY Count Of Rouen and Duchess Of Crepon & Norma Gunnora (Gunhilda) CREPON, was born about 959 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France, died on 28 August 1026 in Fecamp, Seine-Inferieure, France 2495,2496 about age 67, and was buried in Fecamp, Seine Inferieure, , France.

General Notes:
Richard II, byname RICHARD The GOOD, French RICHARD le BON (d. 1026/27), duke of Normandy (996-1026/27), son of Richard I the Fearless. He held his own against a peasant insurrection, helped Robert II of France against the duchy of Burgundy, and repelled an English attack on the Cotentin Peninsula that was led by the Anglo-Saxon king Ethelred II the Unready. He also pursued a reform of the Norman monasteries. [Encyclopedia Britannica CD '97]

Richard married Princess Of Brittany Judith De BRETAGNE 1601,2266 about 1000 in 2ND Husband 1St Wife 2069.,2496 Judith was born about 982 in Rennes, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France 2496 and died on 16 June 1017 in Normandy, France 2496 about age 35. Another name for Judith was Judith De RENNES.

Richard next married Poppa D' ENVERMEU 2496 about 1024 of Normandy, Frances.2496 Poppa was born about 970 in France and died after 1024.

Richard next married Astrid (Margaret) Princess Of DENMARK,2496 daughter of Sven (Sweyn) "Forkbeard" King Denmark & ENGLAND and Sigrid "The Haughty" STORRADA, after 1017 in 2ND Wife.2496 Astrid was born about 990 in Denmark and died about 1024 about age 34.

Richard next married Duchess Of Envermeu Papia (Popa) NORMANDY 1601 in 1024 in , Normandy, France. Papia was born in 997 in Ponthieu, Picardy, France and died in Y.

Richard next married Princess Of Denmark Estrith Margarite SVENDSDATTER,1601 daughter of Unknown and Unknown, about 1026 in <, , Normandie, France>. Estrith was born about 997 in Of, , , Denmark, died on 9 May, and was buried in Cathedral, Roskilde, Roskilde, Denmark.

257420471195. Poppa D' ENVERMEU 415,2496 was born about 970 in France and died after 1024.

Poppa married Richard II "The Good" Duke Of NORMANDY 1601,2266,2495 about 1024 of Normandy, Frances.2496 Richard was born about 959 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France, died on 28 August 1026 in Fecamp, Seine-Inferieure, France 2495,2496 about age 67, and was buried in Fecamp, Seine Inferieure, , France.

257420471196. William L Comte Heimois & D' EU,415,2746 son of Richard I "The Fearless" 3Rd Duke Of NORMANDY Count Of Rouen and CONCUBINE(S), was born about 970 in Exmes (Heimois), Orne, Normandy, France and died from before 4 January 1038 to 1039 in Eu, Seine Inferieure, Normandy, France. Another name for William was William De HIESMES.

General Notes: After Godfrey's Count of Eu rebelled c996, William was given the title of Comte d'Eu. He had already been Count of Heimois (or Exmes as it is now known).

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The following information was in a post-em from Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann@yahoo.com:

ID: I03516 William Hieme Count d' Eu

I have seen it written ‘Heimes’ or ‘the Heimois’.
Also from below it appears that EU was originally called ‘Exmes’ and/or ’the Exmesin of Heimois’.

died: (take your choice):
2.I kurz vor (shortly bef) 1040 [Ref: ES III:693]
about 1054 [Ref: David C. Douglas “William the Conqueror”]
Jan 2 year unknown but before wife (d. Jan 26 1057/8) [Ref: CP V:151]
Jan 2-26 1057/8 [Ref: Moriarty p267]

founded Collegiate Church of Eu [Ref: CP V:151]
received from father the comte of the Exmesin of Hiemois. [Ref: CP V:151]
Comte d'Hiemois, Comte d'Eu [Ref: Leo van de Pas http://worldroots.com/brigitte/royal/bio/roberteubio.html]
Count of Exmes (later Eu) [Ref: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~pmcbride/james/f030.htm#I1402X2]
Count d'Exmes (Eu), Earl of Arques and Toulouse [Ref: Malinda Thiesse 20 Jul 2002] Note: Earl is an English _only_ title & I am skeptical of his connection to Toulouse in far se France whereas his father was duc d'Normandie in far nw France... Curt
Lord of Montruel [Ref: Turton] Note: Montreuil?

rebelled against half-brother, Richard II, and was imprisoned at Rouen. After escaping, he submitted to the Duke, was pardoned, and was given the comte of Eu, of which his nephew, Gilbert (ancestor of the family of Clare) had been recently deprived. [Ref: CP V:151] Note: CP has (I believe) confused the chronology. It was William’s brother Godfrey/Godfroi who rebelled & was deprived of Eu. Godfrey’s son (William's nephew) Gilbert/Giselbert ‘Crispin’ did assume the land and title when William died, but he was assassinated in 1040. Note: Gilbert’s date of death from Altschul, ES III:156, Wagner, Watney & Wurts who all say either 1040 or thereabouts seems to confirm the date of death of William per ES III:693 as shortly bef. 1040… Curt

When Godfrey was deprived, Eu was awarded to his brother William, who had been Count of Heimois. [Ref: TAF 28 Mar 2001]

Regards,
Curt

Note: In terms of the death date, I will keep the one I have because Gilbert (who I have as his son-in-law) became Count of Eu and d. 1040; so William had to have died at least a year or two before 1040.

William married Beatrice Le GOZ, daughter of Ansfred II Onfror Le GOZ and Unknown, after 1007 in 2ND Husband 1St Wife. Beatrice was born about 992 in Creully, Calvados, Normandy, France and died before 1014.

William next married Lesceline (Lezieline) De HARCOURT,2853 daughter of Turchetil De HARCOURT Seigneur De Turqueville and Adeline De MONTFORT, before 1014 in 2ND Wife. Lesceline was born about 996 in Turqueville Near Cherbourg, Manche, Normandy, France, died from 26 January 1078 to 1079 about age 82, and was buried in Abbey Of St. Pierre-Sur-Dives, Calvados, Normandy, France. Another name for Lesceline was Lesceline De TURQUEVILLE.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Pons Fitzwilliam De ST. PONS was born about 1017 in St. Pons, Charente-Maritime, Poitou-Charente, France.

128710235598      ii.  Robert Count D' EU (born about 1019 in Eu, Seine Inferieure, Normandy, France - died after 1052 in Shanton, Leicestershire, England)

                 iii.  William Count Of Troyes & EU was born about 1027 in Eu, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died after 1076 in Troyes, Aube, Champagne, France 2853. Another name for William was William Count Of TROYES & Eu.


257420471197. Lesceline (Lezieline) De HARCOURT,415,2853 daughter of Turchetil De HARCOURT Seigneur De Turqueville and Adeline De MONTFORT, was born about 996 in Turqueville Near Cherbourg, Manche, Normandy, France, died from 26 January 1078 to 1079 about age 82, and was buried in Abbey Of St. Pierre-Sur-Dives, Calvados, Normandy, France. Another name for Lesceline was Lesceline De TURQUEVILLE.

General Notes: The following information was in a post-em from Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann@yahoo.com:

ID: I03517 Lesceline (Lezieline) de Harcourt

aka: Lesceline de Turqueville

died:
26 Jan 1058 [Ref: CP V:151, ES III:693, Watney #740]
Jan 26 1078/9 [Ref: Watney #99]
Jan 26 1079 [Ref: Watney #375]

died at & was buried at: Abbey of Saint-Pierre-sur-Dives [Ref: CP V:151]

founded the Abbey of St. Pierre-sur-Divas [Ref: Turton]
sister of Anschetil, Seigneur d'Harcourt [Ref: CP V:151]

Regards,
Curt

Lesceline married William L Comte Heimois & D' EU,2746 son of Richard I "The Fearless" 3Rd Duke Of NORMANDY Count Of Rouen and CONCUBINE(S), before 1014 in 2ND Wife. William was born about 970 in Exmes (Heimois), Orne, Normandy, France and died from before 4 January 1038 to 1039 in Eu, Seine Inferieure, Normandy, France. Another name for William was William De HIESMES.

257420471204. Gerhard II Count Of METZ,415,2251 son of Adalbert Von Hohenburg Count Of METZ and Judith Of LUXEMBOURG, was born about 988 in Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France.

Gerhard married Gisella Of ALSACE,2251 daughter of Gerhard I Von Hohenburg Count Of ALSACE and Countess Of Lower Alsace Eva LUXEMBOURG. Gisella was born about 990 in Lorraine, France and died in 1045 about age 55.

257420471205. Gisella Of ALSACE,415,2251 daughter of Gerhard I Von Hohenburg Count Of ALSACE and Countess Of Lower Alsace Eva LUXEMBOURG, was born about 990 in Lorraine, France and died in 1045 about age 55.

Gisella married.

Gisella married Gerhard II Count Of METZ,2251 son of Adalbert Von Hohenburg Count Of METZ and Judith Of LUXEMBOURG. Gerhard was born about 988 in Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France.

257420471206. Albert I Comte De NAMUR,415,1784,2515,2716,2811,2812 son of Robert I Comte De LOMME and Ermengarde De LORRAINE, was born about 975 in Lower Lorraine, France and died before 1011 in Namur, Belgium 1784,2811.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1012. 2497

Albert married Ermengarde Of Lower LORRAINE,1784,2515,2716,2811 daughter of Otto Duke Of Lower LORRAINE and Unknown, in 990.2716 Ermengarde was born about 985 in Lower Lorraine, France 2716 and died after 1012 2716. Another name for Ermengarde was Ermengarde Of FRANCE.

257420471207. Ermengarde Of Lower LORRAINE,415,1784,2515,2716,2811 daughter of Otto Duke Of Lower LORRAINE and Unknown, was born about 985 in Lower Lorraine, France 2716 and died after 1012 2716. Another name for Ermengarde was Ermengarde Of FRANCE.

General Notes: Ermengarde of Lorraine [dau. of Charles of Lorraine by Adelheid, parentage unknown], m. Albert I, d. 998/1011, Count of Namur, son of Robert I, Count of Lomme. [Ancestral Roots line 149-20]

Note: AR has Ermengarde as dau. of Charles by his 2nd wife (m. bef. 979) Adelheid. However Alan B. Wilson, reporting on the work of Settipani, has her as daughter of Otto Duke of Lower Lorraine, son of Charles by his 1st wife. Thus Ermengarde is granddaughter, not daughter, of Charles.

Ermengarde married Albert I Comte De NAMUR,1784,2515,2716,2811,2812 son of Robert I Comte De LOMME and Ermengarde De LORRAINE, in 990.2716 Albert was born about 975 in Lower Lorraine, France and died before 1011 in Namur, Belgium 1784,2811.

257420471216. Gautier I Seigneur De SALINS,415 son of Humbert II Seigneur De SALINS and Erembourg Of SEMUR, was born about 1005 in Salins, Seine-Et-Marne, Ile-DE-France, France.

Gautier married Arembourge. Arembourge was born about 1010.

The child from this marriage was:

128710235608       i.  Gautier II Seigneur De SALINS (born about 1035 in Salins, Seine-Et-Marne, Ile-DE-France, France - died after 1100)


257420471217. Arembourge 415 was born about 1010.

Arembourge married Gautier I Seigneur De SALINS, son of Humbert II Seigneur De SALINS and Erembourg Of SEMUR. Gautier was born about 1005 in Salins, Seine-Et-Marne, Ile-DE-France, France.

257420471236. Humbert I Count Of SAVOY,415,1444,3006 son of Gerald (Humbert) Of GENEVA and Unknown, was born in 972 in Chambery, Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France and died in 1048 1436,3006 at age 76. Other names for Humbert were Albimanus=Whitehands, Humbert I "Whitehands" De MAURIENNE, Umberto I, Conde Di MAURIENNE, Umberto I Biancamano, and Conte Alla SAVOIA.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, Abt 1 July 1042.

Humbert married Ancelie Von LENZBURG. Ancelie was born in 974 in Lenzburg, Aargau, Switzerland. Other names for Ancelie were Amilia, Ancilla De AOSTA, and Ancillia Of NOYAN.

257420471237. Ancelie Von LENZBURG,415,1444 daughter of Anselm II Count Of NOYEN and Adelaide Heiress Of ORTIGEN, was born in 974 in Lenzburg, Aargau, Switzerland. Other names for Ancelie were Amilia, Ancilla De AOSTA, and Ancillia Of NOYAN.

Ancelie married Humbert I Count Of SAVOY.3006 Humbert was born in 972 in Chambery, Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France and died in 1048 1436,3006 at age 76. Other names for Humbert were Albimanus=Whitehands, Humbert I "Whitehands" De MAURIENNE, Umberto I, Conde Di MAURIENNE, Umberto I Biancamano, and Conte Alla SAVOIA.

257420471238. Guigues I "The Old" Comte D' ALBON Sgr D'vion,415,2176,2847 son of Guiges V Sire De VION and Gotelana De CLERIEU, was born about 1001 in St Rambert D'albon, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France 2176 and died on 22 April 1075 in Cluny, France (As A Monk) 2847 about age 74. Another name for Guigues was Guiges VI Sire De VION.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, Between 1060 and 1070. 2176

Guigues married Adelaide De BEAUJEU,2176 daughter of Guichard I Seigneure De BEAUJEU and Adelaide, on 18 October 1013.2848 Adelaide was born about 1001 in Beaujeu, Rhone, Beaujolais/Rhone-Alpes, France.

257420471239. Adelaide De BEAUJEU,415,2176 daughter of Guichard I Seigneure De BEAUJEU and Adelaide, was born about 1001 in Beaujeu, Rhone, Beaujolais/Rhone-Alpes, France.

Adelaide married Guigues I "The Old" Comte D' ALBON Sgr D'vion,2176,2847 son of Guiges V Sire De VION and Gotelana De CLERIEU, on 18 October 1013.2848 Guigues was born about 1001 in St Rambert D'albon, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France 2176 and died on 22 April 1075 in Cluny, France (As A Monk) 2847 about age 74. Another name for Guigues was Guiges VI Sire De VION.

257420471264. Aimeraud Count Of FAUCIGNY 415 was born about 1000 in Faucigny, Haute-Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France.

Aimeraud married Ailgert Or Aalgut. Ailgert was born about 1005 in France.

The child from this marriage was:

128710235632       i.  Louis I Count Of FAUCIGNY (born about 1030 in Faucigny, Haute-Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France - died in 1060)


257420471265. Ailgert Or Aalgut 415 was born about 1005 in France.

Ailgert married Aimeraud Count Of FAUCIGNY. Aimeraud was born about 1000 in Faucigny, Haute-Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France.

257420476422. Waleran III Count Of MEULAN,415,1778,1874,2214,2216,2445 son of Robert II (Hugo) Count Of MEULAN and Adela (Alix) De VEXIN, was born about 990 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France and died on 8 October 1069 1778 about age 79.

Waleran married Ode (Oda) De CONTEVILLE,1778,2216 daughter of Jean De CONTEVILLE Vicomte De Comyn and Unknown, before 1015 in 1st Wife 2216.,2445 Ode was born about 990 in Conteville, Eure, Normandy, France and died after 1014.

Waleran next married Aelis 2216 after 1015 in 2ND Wife.2216 Aelis was born about 995 in France.

257420476423. Ode (Oda) De CONTEVILLE,415,1778,2216 daughter of Jean De CONTEVILLE Vicomte De Comyn and Unknown, was born about 990 in Conteville, Eure, Normandy, France and died after 1014.

Ode married Waleran III Count Of MEULAN,1778,1874,2214,2216,2445 son of Robert II (Hugo) Count Of MEULAN and Adela (Alix) De VEXIN, before 1015 in 1st Wife 2216.,2445 Waleran was born about 990 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France and died on 8 October 1069 1778 about age 79. picture


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