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128709791216. Rodulf (Ralph) I De WARENNE 2234,2646 was born about 998 in Varenne Near Bellencombre, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 2189 and died after 1074 in Varenne Near Bellencombre, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 2646.

General Notes: RODULF (e) DE WARENNE derived his name from the hamlet of Varenne (dept. Seine-Inférieure) on the little river Varenne in Normandy. His parentage is unknown. He is said to have held land outside the walls of Rouen under Robert I, Duke of Normandy (died 1035), and the Cartulary of the abbey of the Holy Trinity on the Mont de Rouen proves that he held a considerable territory on both banks of the Seine upstream from Rouen. He also held land at Vascoeuil (dept. Eure), which he gave about 1053 to the abbey of St. Pierre de Préaux (b), and in the pays de Caux, north of Rouen, where he sold 4 churches with tithes to the Holy Trinity in 1059, and gave another church, also with tithes, in 1074. He married Beatrice, whose mother was almost certainly a sister of Gotmund Rufus DE VASCOEUIL, daughter of Tesselin, Vicomte of Rouen. She was living about 1053. [Complete Peerage XII/1:491-2, XIV:603, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

(e) His christian name is Latinised both as Rodulfus and as Radulfus (Ralph), This confusion occurs in other families (eg. the founder of the "Tancarvilles") and is probably due to two somewhat similar names having been assimilated into one; eg. Ranulf (from Hrabenwulf) and Randolf (from Randwulf). Scribes were then likely to change Rodulfus when copying early charters.

(b) Before May 1055 Rodulf sold to the monks land at Blosseville and Eauplet, on the right bank of the Seine, and Sotteville on the left bank. Subsequently he sold them all his rights in Blosseville, Mesnil-Esnard, Neuvillette, Lescure and Eauplet.

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[From "The Origins of Some Anglo-Norman Families"]

For this identification see Mr. Loyd's paper 'The Origin of the Family of Warenne' in Yorkshire Arch. Journal, vol. xxxi, pp. 97-113. The hamlet of Varenne lies on the river Varenne c. 2 miles S of Arques and c. 13 miles N of Bellencombre. The latter place, arr. Dieppe, cant. Bellencombre, where there was a castle, became the caput of the Warenne honour in Normandy.

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Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann@yahoo.com, provided the
following additional information on Rodulf, in a post-em:
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Rodulf (Ralph) I de Warenne

K.S.B. Keats-Rohan "Poppa of Bayeux and her Family":

1027-35: first occurrence of Ralph de Warenne in a charter for Saint-Amand [p22]

c1050: grant of land in Vascoeuil by Ralph de Warenne and wife Beatrice; charter mentions Ralph's brother Godfrey and was attested by Gotmund miles abbatis. Dateable to c1050 by a reference to Roger de Beaumont as Vicomte of Rouen [p22]

1050's: well known charters of early 1050s by which Ralph de Warenne and his wife Beatrice were associated with the lands of Roger fitz Bishop Hugh of Coutances and his sons. [p23]

Research note: K-R p22 contradicts CP (& Holloway & Wagner) by stating Rodulph/Ralph died before Beatrice. Beatrice is listed as living 1053 (CP XII/1:492 & ES III:698) & dead before 1059 (CP XII/1:492, K-R p22, Moriarty p184, Wagner p46]. K-R states a grant "made by widow Beatrice" to Preaux of land near Dozule, Eure was "dated during the time of William son of Count Robert, suggesting that William had not yet begun the series of military achievements that enabled him to be detached from his father in such references, i.e. before c1054-60". To do: check CP's source of the 1074 grant. Also is the term "widow" K-R's or stated in the grant of the land near Dozule?... Curt

Regards,
Curt

Rodulf married Beatrice De VASCOEUIL 2234,2423.,2647 Beatrice was born about 1004 in Vascoeuil, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died after 1053 2423.

Children from this marriage were:

64354895608        i.  Rodulf (Ralph) II De WARENNE (born about 1020 in Varenne Near Bellencombre, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France)

64354912800       ii.  Roger De MORTIMER (born about 1030 in Mortemer-Sur-Eaulne, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France - died before 1086 in Saint-Victor-En-Caux, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France)


128709791217. Beatrice De VASCOEUIL 2234,2423,2647 was born about 1004 in Vascoeuil, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died after 1053 2423.

General Notes: He [Rodulf de Warenne] married Beatrice, whose mother was almost certainly a sister of Gotmund Rufus DE VASCOEUIL, daughter of Tesselin, Vicomte of Rouen. She was living about 1053. [Complete Peerage XII/1:491-2, XIV:603, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

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The following is excerpted (full post is in notes under father) from a post to SGM, 3 Dec 1996, by Todd Farmerie:

From: Todd A. Farmerie (taf2@po.cwru.edu)
Subject: Robert de Torigny and the family of Gunnor, Duchess of Normandy
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 1996/12/03

It appears to be through this family that the relationship of two more Norman barons come into play, but not exactly as Torigny presents it. He shows yet another niece marrying Ranulph de Warenne, and by him having William de Warenne and Roger de Mortimer. This is clearly untrue, because Roger appears to have been a generation older than William. The solution appears to be that Torigny (as he had done with the Montgomerys) compressed into one individual a father and son of the same name. Ranulph de Warenne (I) appears to have married Beatrice, sister of Richard, vicomte of Rouen, and thus sister-in-law of one of Gunnor's nieces (thus it would appear that this family actually does not descend from a relative of Gunnor's, but is genealogically linked to some of her descendants) and had sons: Roger (de Mortimer) and Ranulph de Warenne (II), who in turn was father of another Ranulf (III) and of William de Warenne.

Beatrice married Rodulf (Ralph) I De WARENNE 2234.,2646 Rodulf was born about 998 in Varenne Near Bellencombre, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 2189 and died after 1074 in Varenne Near Bellencombre, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 2646.

128709791224. Robert II "The Pious" King Of FRANCE,415,1601,1746,2468,2469,2470 son of Hugues "Capet" King Of FRANCE and Adélaïde Princess Of AQUITAINE, was born on 27 March 972 in Orleans, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France,2471 died on 20 July 1031 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France 1524,2468,2471 at age 59, and was buried in St Denis Abbey, Ile-DE-France, France.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, Abt 970. 1524,2468

• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, 985. 2472

• Ruled: 996-1031.

Robert married Queen Of France Rosela (Susanna) Of ITALY Princess Of Italy 1601,2112,2474 before 1 April 988 in 2ND Husband 1St Wife - Repudiated 992.2473 Rosela was born about 945 in Luxembourg, Luxembourg, West Europe,2475 died from 26 January 1002 to 1003 in Gent, Luxembourg, Belgium 2112,2475,2476 about age 57, and was buried on 7 February 1003 in Gent, Luxembourg, Belgium.2476 Other names for Rosela were Rosele, Rosella,2477 Susanna Av IVREA, and Rosala De TOSCANE.

Robert next married Bertha Of ARLES,2478,2479 daughter of Count Of Paris Conrad I King Of BURGUNDY and Matilda (Maud) Princess Of FRANCE, in 995 in 2ND Husband 2ND Wife - Repudiated 998.2472 Bertha was born about 964 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France 2480 and died after 1010 in Blois, Loir-Et-Cher, Orleanais/Centre, France 2480. Another name for Bertha was Bertha Of BURGUNDY.

Noted events in her life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1001. 2472

Robert next married Queen Of France Constance De TOULOUSE 1601,2237,2470,2471 before 1002 in 3rd Wife 2473.,2481 Constance was born about 986 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France,2471 died on 25 July 1032 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France 2481 about age 46, and was buried in St Denis Abbey, Ile-DE-France, France. Other names for Constance were Constance Of ARLES, and1270 Constance De TOULOUSE.

Robert next married Queen Of France Bertha Princess Of BURGUNDY 1601 in , , , France. Bertha was born in 967 in Burgundy, , France and died from 16 January 1015 to 1016 at age 48.

128709791225. Queen Of France Constance De TOULOUSE,415,1601,1746,2237,2470,2471 daughter of William II Count Of Arles & PROVENCE and Countess Of Toulouse Adelaide (Blanche\Adele) D' ANJOU [Countess Of Gevaf, was born about 986 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France,2471 died on 25 July 1032 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France 2481 about age 46, and was buried in St Denis Abbey, Ile-DE-France, France. Other names for Constance were Constance Of ARLES, and1270 Constance De TOULOUSE.

Constance married Robert II "The Pious" King Of FRANCE 1601,2468,2469,2470 before 1002 in 3rd Wife 2473.,2481 Robert was born on 27 March 972 in Orleans, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France,2471 died on 20 July 1031 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France 1524,2468,2471 at age 59, and was buried in St Denis Abbey, Ile-DE-France, France.

128709791226. Jaroslaus I "The Wise" Grand Duke Of KIEV,415,1524,2648 son of St Vladimir I "The Great" Duke Of KIEV and Regneide (Rogneda) Of POLOTSK, was born about 976 in Kiev, Ukraine and died from 20 February 1053 to 1054 in Kiev, Ukraine 2427 about age 77. Another name for Jaroslaus was Jaroslav VALDIMIROVICH Grand Prince Of Kiev.

Jaroslaus married Ingegard OLAFSDOTTIR 1524,2648 in 1019 in 2ND Wife.2649 Ingegard was born in 1001 in Uppsala, Sweden and died from 10 February 1049 to 1050 in Kiev, Ukraine 2649 at age 48. Another name for Ingegard was Ingeborg Of SWEDEN.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Valdimir Yaroslavich Duke Of NOVGOROD was born in 1020 in Novgorod, Russia and died in 1052 at age 32.

                  ii.  Elizabeth Princess Of KIEV was born about 1022 in Kiev, Ukraine.

64354895613      iii.  Queen Of France Anna (Agnesa) Yaroslavna Of KIEV (born about 1024 in Kiev, Ukraine - died after 1075 in France)

                  iv.  Izyaslav I Yaroslavich Grand Duke Of KIEV was born in 1025 of Turov, Polesye, Byelorussia 2650 and died on 3 October 1078 2650 at age 53. Another name for Izyaslav was Izyaslav I Yaroslavich.

                   v.  Anastasia Yaroslavna Countess Of KIEV was born about 1026 in Kiev, Ukraine and died after 1064 2651.

                  vi.  Svyatoslav (Svyatopolk) I Prince Of KIEV was born in 1027 in Vladimir Volyns, Volyns, Ukraine and died on 27 December 1076 at age 49.

                 vii.  Vsevolod I Grand Duke Of KIEV was born in 1030 in Kiev, Ukraine 2652 and died on 13 April 1093 2652 at age 63. Another name for Vsevolod was Vsevolod I Yaroslavich.


128709791227. Ingegard OLAFSDOTTIR,415,1524,2648 daughter of Olaf III Eriksson King Of SWEDEN and Astrid Of OBOTRITES, was born in 1001 in Uppsala, Sweden and died from 10 February 1049 to 1050 in Kiev, Ukraine 2649 at age 48. Another name for Ingegard was Ingeborg Of SWEDEN.

Ingegard married Jaroslaus I "The Wise" Grand Duke Of KIEV 1524,2648 in 1019 in 2ND Wife.2649 Jaroslaus was born about 976 in Kiev, Ukraine and died from 20 February 1053 to 1054 in Kiev, Ukraine 2427 about age 77. Another name for Jaroslaus was Jaroslav VALDIMIROVICH Grand Prince Of Kiev.

128709791228. Otho Count Of VERMANDOIS,415,2653,2654 son of Herbert III Count Of VERMANDOIS and Ermengarde De MACON, was born about 1000 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France 2653 and died on 25 May 1045 in France 2653 about age 45.

Otho married Parvie 2653,2654 about 1027 in France. Parvie was born about 1005 in France.

Children from this marriage were:

64354895614        i.  Herbert IV Count Of VERMANDOIS (born about 1032 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France - died in 1080 in France)

                  ii.  Eudes I De HAM was born about 1034 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France and died about 1108 in Ham, Picardie, France 1946 about age 74.

                 iii.  Peter (Piers) De VERMANDOIS was born about 1036 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France.


128709791229. Parvie 2653,2654 was born about 1005 in France.

Parvie married Otho Count Of VERMANDOIS 2653,2654 about 1027 in France. Otho was born about 1000 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France 2653 and died on 25 May 1045 in France 2653 about age 45.

128709791230. Raoul III "The Great" Count Of Valois & VEXIN,415,2430,2431 son of Raoul II Comte D' VALOIS & Crepy and Adele De BRETEUIL, was born about 1015 in Vexin, Seine Inferieure, Normandy, France,2431 died from 23 February 1073 to 1074 in Peronne, Somme, Picardy, France 2431 about age 58, and was buried in Crepy, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France. Another name for Raoul was Raoul III "The Great" Count Of VALOIS & Vexin.

General Notes: Raoul, a descendent of Charlemagne, was Count of Valois, Vexin, and Crepy. To this he added Bar-sur-Aube by marrying the heiress, Aelis, Comtesse de Bar-sur-Aube, a widow. However, after sigining the marriage-contract but before the nuptials had taken place, the knights of the Chateau de Joigny passed her on to another nobleman. Raoul hurried back and captured the Chateau and his bride, locking her up in La Ferte-sur-Aube, long enough to assure himself she was not pregnant. Again in his absence, she was captured by a local squire but, after being rescued, the nuptials with Raoul took place and they became the parents of two sons and two, perhaps three, daughters.

After Aelis died, Raoul married a lady named Haquenez, but when the king died and his widow became available, Raoul dismissed Haquenez and married the queen-widow. At this, however, Haquenez complained to the pope of being "despoiled of everything by her husband; she had been dismissed on a false charge of fornication."

Raoul was excommunicated, not for adultery but for incest. 'Contrary to the law, he had lain with the wife of the dead king, who was his cousin." [Leo van de Pas]

Raoul married Aelis (Adele) Comtesse De BAR-SUR-AUBE 2655 before 1041 in 4th Husband 1St Wife.2429 Aelis was born about 1019 in Bar-Sur-Aube, Aube, Champagne, France and died in 1053 2655 about age 34.

Children from this marriage were:

64354895615        i.  Adela De VEXIN (born about 1041 in Valois Now Oise, Picardy, France - died in 1080)

64354912801       ii.  Hawise De VEXIN (born about 1042 in Vexin, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France - died after 1086)

                 iii.  Alais (Elizabeth) De VEXIN was born about 1045 in Valois Now Oise, Picardy, France and died after 12 May 1093 2656. Another name for Alais was Alix (Elizabeth) De VALOIS.

Raoul next married Haquenez 2429 after 1053 in 2ND Wife - Divorced 1060.2429 Haquenez was born about 1030 in France.

Raoul next married Queen Of France Anna (Agnesa) Yaroslavna Of KIEV 1524,1598,1601,2426 in 1061 in 2ND Husband 3Rd Wife.2429 Anna was born about 1024 in Kiev, Ukraine,2427 died after 1075 in France 1524,2428, and was buried in Villiers Abbey, La-Ferte-Alias, Essonne, Ile-DE-France, France.

128709791231. Aelis (Adele) Comtesse De BAR-SUR-AUBE,2655 daughter of Nocher III Comte De BAR-SUR-AUBE and Unknown, was born about 1019 in Bar-Sur-Aube, Aube, Champagne, France and died in 1053 2655 about age 34.

General Notes: The marriages of Aelis are very confusing to say the least. I think that I have sorted them out in order. See notes under Raoul (4th husband) to see some of the reasons behind all of the "marriages". Perhaps the 2nd & 3rd of them weren't really marriages, but abductions, which would explain why there were so many marriages with little time in between husbands.

I have her with a son by her 1st husband. The account in Raoul's notes doesn't say anything about earlier children, starting her out as a "widow", apparently of a Joigny.

Noted events in her life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1043.

Aelis married Renaud I Comte De JOIGNY 2657 before 1034 in 1st Husband.2655 Renaud was born about 1015 in Joigny, Yonne, Bourgogne, France and died before 1037.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, After 1055.

The child from this marriage was:

                   i.  Geoffrey II Seigneur De JOIGNY was born about 1035 in Joigny, Yonne, Bourgogne, France and died after 1085.

Aelis next married Roger I De VIGNORY 2659 in 1038 in 2ND Husband 2ND Wife - Divorced ?.2658 Roger was born about 1000 in Vignory, Haute-Marne, Champagne, France and died before 1059 2659.

Aelis next married Renaud De SEMUR-EN-BRIONNAIS,2660 son of Dalmas I Comte De SEMUR and Aremburge De NEVERS, in 1040 in 3rd Husband.2655 Renaud was born about 1019 in Semur-En-Brionnais, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France. Another name for Renaud was Renaud De SEMUR.

Aelis next married Raoul III "The Great" Count Of Valois & VEXIN 2430,2431 before 1041 in 4th Husband 1St Wife.2429 Raoul was born about 1015 in Vexin, Seine Inferieure, Normandy, France,2431 died from 23 February 1073 to 1074 in Peronne, Somme, Picardy, France 2431 about age 58, and was buried in Crepy, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France. Another name for Raoul was Raoul III "The Great" Count Of VALOIS & Vexin.

128709797296. Roger II De MONTGOMERIE 1st Earl Of Shrewsbury,415,588,1372,1375,1664,1666,1667,1700,1961,1962,1963 son of Roger I De MONTGOMERY Vicomte D'hiemois and Emma, was born in 1022 in St-Germain-DE-Montgomery, Calvados, Normandy, France,1372,1375,1664,1964 died on 27 July 1094 in Shrewsbury Abbey, Shropshire, England 1120,1372,1375,1664,1666,1962,1963,1964,1965,1966 at age 72, and was buried in 1st Earl Of Shrewsbury & Arundel..1375,1664 Other names for Roger were 01st Earl Of ARUNDEL Roger II De Montgomery,1963 Roger De Montgomery II EARL OF ARUNDEL, and 1st Earl Of SHREWSBURY Roger II De Montgomery.

General Notes:
Shrewsbury, Earldom of: In early December 1074 Roger de Montgomery was created Earl of Shropshire or Shrewsbury. As with other medieval earldoms, little distinction was then made between the county town and county proper when designating a specific name for a title, chiefly because an earl, who was then more or less and official, albeit often hereditary, was inconceivable except as earl of a county.

Roger was son of another Roger de Montgomery, seigneur of the Norman places (St Germain-de-Montgomery and Ste-Foy-de-Montgomery) of that name in the Calvados region. He was a prominent member of the nobles grouped around William (later William I of England, The Conqueror) of Normandy well before the 1066 invasion of England but stayed behind in Normandy during the actual enterprise. The year after Hastings he went to England and received land grants in Sussex. He is thought to have constructed the Castle of Montgomery (now in Powys, but formerly named Mongomeryshire after his family), doing so shortly before the Domesday Survey. [Burke's Peerage, p. 2604]

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EARLDOM OF SHREWSBURY (I) 1074

EARLDOM OF ARUNDEL (I) 1067

ROGER DE MONTGOMERY (who, in right of his 1st wife, Mabel de Bellême, daughter of William TALVAS, was LORD OF ALENCON, SEEZ, &c., in Normandy), having during the invasion of England, remained, as REGENT, in Normandy, came over thence, for the first time, with King William, in December 1067, and, at the Christmas festival, was created an EARL, receiving, among other large grants from the Conqueror, about one third of the county of Sussex, including the city of Chichester and the CASTLE OF ARUNDEL.(a) By this last grant he may be considered to have become EARL OF ARUNDEL, according to the remarkable admission(b) in 1433 on the claim to that Earldom. At all events he was frequently so styled, though, occasionally, he is styled EARL OF CHICHESTER. Dugdale and many later writers consider him to have been EARL OF SUSSEX. On the dismemberment of Mercia, in 1070, another Earldom was conferred on him, by the grant of nearly the whole of Shropshire (with, apparently, Palatine authority), together with the Castles of Shrewsbury and Montgomery, and the Lordship of the West Marches. He was thenceforth generally known as EARL OF SHREWSBURY, though occasionally (according to modern views, more correctly) as EARL OF SHROPSHIRE. He is the "COMES ROGIERUS " of the Domesday survey, where, of course, no local designation is attributed to him. He died 27 July 1094.

(a)This formed the Honour of Arundel, which consisted of the rapes of Arundel and Chichester, being two out of the six rapes into which Sussex is divided. It contained, besides the city of Chichester and the Castle of Arundel (as abovenamed), 84 1/2 knights' fees, ten hundreds (with their forests, woods and chases), three lordships (Halnaker, Petworth and Midhurst) eighteen parks and seventy-seven manors. See Tierney's Hist. of Arundel, p. 12. G.E.C.

It is pointed out however to the Editor by J. H. Round that, according to the latest view of archeologists, the castle may have been erected by Roger of Montgomery himself, after obtaining possession of the Honour. V.G.

(b)The claim to the Earldom as being one by tenure of the Castle of Arundel was made by John Arundel, who had been sum. to Parl. in 1429, the writ being directed "Johanni ArundeIl' de Arundell' Chivaler." In I433 (II Hen. VI) he petitioned [as Earl of Arundel] to be sum. to Parl. and considered as Earl of Arundel, a dignity or name united and annexed to the Castle and Lordship of Arundel, for time whereof memory of man was not to the contrary--a peculiar and distinct claim (as stated in the First Report on the Dignity of a Peer, p. 406), " not connected with any general, but asserting a special right, and which being founded on prescription, was to be supported by evidence of constant and immemorial enjoyment of the asserted right, which right if not shown to have been so constantly enjoyed, the title by prescription failed. This claim, though opposed by John (Mowbray), Duke of Norfolk, was admitted by the Crown, notwithstanding that the assertion of the constant annexation of the title to the Castle of Arundel could not have been sustained, had it been (which it was not) made the subject of an enquiry." (Courthope, p. 30).

The claim then of 1433 was, as is stated above, "admitted by the Crown, or so far admitted as that the assertion in the petition is made the consideration (with others not connected with the question) for the King's acceding to it, with a saving, nevertheless, of the right of the King, of the Duke of Norfolk (who, being a coheir of the Earls of Arundel, had opposed the Earl's claim) and of every other person; which saving clause, as is remarked in the First Report on the Dignity of a Peer, was that species of saving which is deemed in law illusory operating nothing.' (Courthope, p. xx). See also Tierney's Historv of Arundel (vol. i, p. 106), where the judgment is set out, reciting "that Richard Fitz Alan was seized of the Castle, Honour and Lordship [of Arundel] in fee; that, by reason of his possession thereof, he was, without other reason or creation, EARL oF ARUNDEL, - &c."; and stating also, that "the King, contemplating the person of the present claimant, now Earl of Arundel, &c., has, with the advice and assent of the Prelates, Dukes, Earls and Barons in this present Parl. assembled, admitted John, now Earl of Arundel, to the place and seat anciently belonging to the Earls of Arundel in Parl. and council."

Almost similar words are used in the Act of Parl. obtained in 1627, which, in form of a petition to the King recites that the Earldom of Arundel had been real and local from the time whereof the memory of man was not to the contrary, and had, from the time aforesaid, been used and enjoyed bv the petitioner and such of his ancestors as had possessed the Castle of Arundel, &c. Now it is to be noted that the claimant of 1433 alleged that his ancestors, the possessors of Arundel, were Earls of Arundel, both bs(ore, as well as after, the Conquest. Fortunately, however King Harold and his father, Earl Godwin, have not to be included, and still less a long shadowy race of Earls extending upwards towards (even if not including) primeval man. The words "memory of man " must, of course, be read in their strict legal significance, as indicating the reign of Richard I, so that the Act of 1627 (and, possibly, the admission of 1433 also) would not apply to any Earl of Arundel, prior to I I 89.

The Redesdale Committee remarks on these proceedings that they "ought to be considered as an anomaly influenced by political views, and decided apparently without much discussion, and without the assistance of the judges." Moreover the assertion of fact by the claimant as to the Earldom having always depended on possession of the Castle in the past "seems not to have been true, and not to have been made the subject of enquiry when the question was decided." For a similar case of a charter creating a peerage, and setting out, as facts, unfounded statements of the grantee, see the Barony of LISLE, cr. 1444, in the same reign.

[Complete Peerage I:230-33, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

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He [Roger de Montgomery, probably 3rd but 1st surviving son and heir of Roger I de Montgomery by Josceline, a niece of the duchess Gunnor] m. 1stly, probably between 1050 and 1054, Mabel, daughter and heir of William Talvas (5th son of William de Belleme, seigneur of Belleme and Alencon), by his 1st wife, Hildeburg, daughter of Arnulf, who has not been identified; she d. 2 Dec 1079, being murdered at Bures by Hugh Bunel, son of Robert de "Jalgeio", from whom she had taken the "castrum quod in rupe Jalgeii situm est", and was buried 5 Dec at Troarn. He m. 2ndly, Adelaide, daughter of Everard de Puiset. Roger d. 27 July 1094 at Shrewsbury and having been clothed as a monk three days before his death was buried there in the abbey which he had founded. [Complete Peerage XI:683-7, (above extracted starting in page 686)]

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The following additional information was supplied in a post-em by Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann@yahoo.com:

Seigneur of Montgomery and vicomte of the Heismois [Ref: CP XI:683]
Earl of Arundel or Earl of Chichester, Earl of Shropshire or Salop, called Earl of Montgomery, Seigneur de Bellesme et d'Alencon [Ref: Watney p696]

Seigneur de Montgomery, Vicomte of Heismois, Earl of Arundel and Shrewsbury, Regent of Normandy and England [Ref: Moriarty p44]

Viscount of the Hiemois, Lord of the West Marches, Earl of Chichester, Shropshire, and Sussex [Ref: Turton]
1048: accompanied Duke William on his expedition against Domfront and Alencon [Ref: CP XI:683]
1066: was with the Duke while preparations were in progress for the invasion of England, but did not accompany the expedition [Ref: CP XI:683]

Dec 1067: accompanied the King to England and thereupon received a grant of Arundel and Chichester [Ref: CP XI:683]
1086: 'Comtes Rogerus' at Domesday [Ref: Watney p696]
1st Earl of Shrewsbury [Ref: Doug Smith <alden@mindspring.com> message to soc.genealogy.medieval 27 Apr 2002]
Roger Earl of Shrewsbury. Also Roger of Montgomery. From Saint Germain de Montgomery, near Lisieux. Lord of Sussex rape of Arundel, with castle there; Earl of Shrewsbury from 1071-74 to death in 1094. Holdings in 12 counties in south, east and west. [Ref: Domesday Online]

Shropshire and the Domesday Book in 1086:
Roger de Montgomery II, better known as Earl Roger in the Domesday, but officially the seigneur of Montgomery, was the major recipient of Shropshire holdings. An old man of considerable wealth and power, he contributed 60 ships to the invasion fleet and was in command of a wing at the Battle of Hastings. He returned to Normandy with Queen Matilda, and the young Duke Robert as Duke William's representative in Normandy. He became head of the council that governed the Duchy of Normandy in Duke William's frequent absences in England. The Norman Montgomery family ancestry was closely interwoven either by blood or marriage with the Duchy of Normandy. However, the family history in Normandy was not without blemish. Roger had four brothers, Hugh, Robert, William and Gilbert. All four brothers were murdered in revenge for the murder of Osberne de Crepon, guardian of Duke William. Roger was the survivor. Continuing, Roger de Montgomery had four sons. Eldest was Robert, Count of Alencon, and successor in Normandy to his vast estates which he still held for his father Roger as his chief domain. He was followed by second son, Hugh, who inherited the Earldom of Arundel, Chichester and Shrewsbury, the life custodian of the main Montgomery family domains granted in England. These would eventually go to Robert in 1098, purchased from William Rufus for 3000 pounds. Next youngest was Count Roger de Poitou who was made the first Earl of Lancaster by Duke William of Normandy, a less maganamious grant which befitted the third youngest son. Philip, the youngest, remained in Normandy and accompanied Duke Robert on the first crusade to the Holy land, and died there in 1094.

Earl Roger was responsible to Duke William of Normandy as his chief architect in the defence of the middle marches of the border in his defence against the Welsh. He built many castles including Montgomery, Shrewsbury, Arundel, Ludlow, Clun, Hopton and Oswestry. His son, Robert, described at the Conquest as a 'novice in arms', but who might have been 40 by the Domesday, represented his father Earl Roger, and created some confusion in the records. Roger, the father, became the Earl of Shrewsbury and the Earl of Arundel in England, and retained his domains in Normandy at Bailleul (Kings of Scotland), Belmeis (Beaumais), Pantulf, Vimoutiers, Say and Tornai. However, Earl Roger also became confused with Roger de Beaumont in Normandy, who, it is claimed, was also head of the council in Normandy. [found this online but didn't cite URL, sorry. Try google: keywords: (title above)]

Earl Roger's Shropshire Land Holdings
Alveley, Baschurch, Berwick (Shrewsbury), Cheney Longville, Chetton, Chirbury, Claverley, Corfham, Culmington, Donington, Dudston, Eardington, Edenhope, Edgmond, Ellesmere, Fenemere, Ford, High Ercall, Hockleton, Hodnet, Kingsmordley, Leebotwood, Loppington, Lydham, Minsterley, Montford, Morville, Netley, Oswestry, Poynton, Pulley, Quatford, Quatt, Rhiston, Romsley, Rorrington, Rowton, Rudge, Ruyton, Shavington, Shawbury, Shifnall, Shipley, Shrewsbury, Siefton, Smethcott, Spoonley, Stottesdon, Stretton, The Marsh, Tong Tuange, Walcot, Wellington, Whittingslow, Whittington, Wilderley, Wistanstow, Withington, Woodcote(Newport), Wotherton, Wrockwardine, Ackley, Aston, Basley, Churchstoke

[Ref: http://www.genealogyweb.com/Shropshire.htm]

Regards,
Curt

Noted events in his life were:

• Fact 2: Fact 2. 1375,1664 Lord of Alençon in Normandy via his marriage.

• Fact 3: Fact 3, 1066. 1372,1375,1664 Regent of Normandy when William the Conqueror invaded England.

• Fact 5: Fact 5. 1375,1664 Created Earl of Shrewsbury 1070 in the Welsh Marches at dismemberment of Mercia.

• Fact 6: Fact 6. 1372,1375,1966 Vicomte de Heimois.

• Fact 7: Fact 7. 1372,1375 Earl of Chicester, Seigneur de Montgoemry.

• Graduation: 1375,1664 Joined William in England in 1067 & was created Earl of Arundel.

Roger married Mabel De Talvas D' ALENCON 1372,1375,1664,1961,1962,1963,1971 after 1048 in 1st Wife 1120,1372,1375,1666,1667,1967,1968,1969.,1970 Mabel was born in 1026 in Alencon, Eure, Normandy, France,1372,1375,1971 died on 2 December 1079 in Bures Castle, Eure, Normandy, France (Murdered) 1372,1375,1666,1962,1965,1966,1971 at age 53, and was buried on 5 December 1079 in Abbey Of Troarn, Eure, Normandy, France.1372,1375,1966 The cause of her death was Slain. Another name for Mabel was Mabel De BELLEME.

Marriage Notes:
Reference Number:44687

Noted events in their marriage were:

• Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage, Between 1050 and 1054. 1962 1st wife

• Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage 1st wife, Between 1050 and 1054. 1962

Roger next married Adelaide De PUISET 1962 after 1079 in 2ND Wife.1962 Adelaide was born about 1045 in Le Puiset, Rochefort, Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France.

128709797297. Mabel De Talvas D' ALENCON,415,1372,1375,1664,1961,1962,1963,1971 daughter of William II Talvas Seigneur D' ALENCON Belleme and Hildeburg De ALENÇON, was born in 1026 in Alencon, Eure, Normandy, France,1372,1375,1971 died on 2 December 1079 in Bures Castle, Eure, Normandy, France (Murdered) 1372,1375,1666,1962,1965,1966,1971 at age 53, and was buried on 5 December 1079 in Abbey Of Troarn, Eure, Normandy, France.1372,1375,1966 The cause of her death was Slain. Another name for Mabel was Mabel De BELLEME.

General Notes:
He [Roger de Montgomery] m. 1stly, probably between 1050 and 1054, Mabel, daughter and heir of William Talvas (5th son of William de Belleme, seigneur of Belleme and Alencon), by his 1st wife, Hildeburg, daughter of Arnulf, who has not been identified; she d. 2 Dec 1079, being murdered at Bures by Hugh Bunel, son of Robert de "Jalgeio", from whom she had taken the "castrum quod in rupe Jalgeii situm est", and was buried 5 Dec at Troarn. [Complete Peerage XI:683-7, (above extracted starting in page 686)]

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Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann@yahoo.com, in a post-em, gives additional information on Mabel:

aka: Mabel/Mabilia Heiress de Belesme (Belleme)

...Mabel of Belesme, described by various sources as "wicked, unnatural and cruel"..."haughty, worldly-minded, crafty, and a babbler". ..."Among those whom either her ambition or her hatred had led her to despoil of their rights was Hugh, Seigneur de la Roche Ige (accent over the "e"), whom she had deprived of his castle. On Dec. 2, 1082, he entered her chamber at the Chateu de Bures, near Troarn, and killed her with his sword. Decapitated her, according to some. Hugh successfully escaped. More detail will be found in "Dictionary of National Biography" (v. 49, pp. 101-2). [Ref: Tom Camfield <camfield@olympus.net> 29 Feb 1996 message to Gen-Medieval]

died: 10 Dec 1082 [Ref: ES III:636-7]
Dec 5 1082 [Ref: Watney p5, 696]
Dec 2 1079 [Ref: Moriarty p11, 12, 44]
1079 [Ref: Turton p185]
murdered [Ref: Watney p696]

buried: Abbey of Troarn, Eure, (in what is now France) [Ref: McBride, Smokykin] note: Smokykin is David Beckwith's website at http://www.smokykin.com/ged/

Mabel married Roger II De MONTGOMERIE 1st Earl Of Shrewsbury 588,1372,1375,1664,1666,1667,1700,1961,1962,1963 after 1048 in 1st Wife 1120,1372,1375,1666,1667,1967,1968,1969.,1970 Roger was born in 1022 in St-Germain-DE-Montgomery, Calvados, Normandy, France,1372,1375,1664,1964 died on 27 July 1094 in Shrewsbury Abbey, Shropshire, England 1120,1372,1375,1664,1666,1962,1963,1964,1965,1966 at age 72, and was buried in 1st Earl Of Shrewsbury & Arundel..1375,1664 Other names for Roger were 01st Earl Of ARUNDEL Roger II De Montgomery,1963 Roger De Montgomery II EARL OF ARUNDEL, and 1st Earl Of SHREWSBURY Roger II De Montgomery.

128709821840. Lambert I "The Bearded" Count Of LOUVAIN,415,1882,2562 son of Regnier III "Long Neck" Count Of HAINAULT and Adele Of LOUVAIN, was born about 950 in Louvain, Brabant, Belgium 2562 and died on 12 September 1015 in Battle Of Florennes 1882,2562 about age 65.

General Notes: Lambert, Count of Louvain, called "The Bearded"; was killed at the Battle of Florennes defending his nephew's County of Hainault against the newly created Duke Godfrey of Brabant. [Burke's Peerage]

Lambert married Gerberga Of LORRAINE 2562 between 985 and 990.2562 Gerberga was born about 975 in Lower Lorraine, France 2562 and died from 27 January 1017 to 1018 2562 about age 42.

128709821841. Gerberga Of LORRAINE,2562 daughter of Charles Duke Of Lower LORRAINE and Adelaide (Adelheid) De VERDUN, was born about 975 in Lower Lorraine, France 2562 and died from 27 January 1017 to 1018 2562 about age 42.

Gerberga married Lambert I "The Bearded" Count Of LOUVAIN 1882,2562 between 985 and 990.2562 Lambert was born about 950 in Louvain, Brabant, Belgium 2562 and died on 12 September 1015 in Battle Of Florennes 1882,2562 about age 65.

128709821842. Gozelon I Duke Of Lower LORRAINE Count Verdun,415,1784,2432 son of Godefroy Le Vieux D'ardennes, Count Of VERDUN Marquis Antwerp and Countess Of Flanders Mathilde Princess Of SAXONY, was born about 967 in Verdun, Meuse, Lorraine, France and died on 19 April 1044 1784,2432 about age 77.

Gozelon married Urracca Princess Of ITALY. Urracca was born about 967 in Italy.

Children from this marriage were:

64355110809        i.  Regilinde Of Lower LORRAINE (born about 994 in Lorraine, France - died in 1064)

64354910921       ii.  Oda Of LORRAINE (born about 995 in Lorraine, France - died in 1044)

                 iii.  Godfrey "The Bearded" Duke Of Lower LORRAINE was born about 1006 in Lower-Lorraine, France and died on 24 December 1069 2339 about age 63.


128709821843. Urracca Princess Of ITALY,415 daughter of Berengarius II King Of ITALY Marquis Of Ivrea and Willa D'arles Of TUSCANY, was born about 967 in Italy.

Urracca married Gozelon I Duke Of Lower LORRAINE Count Verdun 1784.,2432 Gozelon was born about 967 in Verdun, Meuse, Lorraine, France and died on 19 April 1044 1784,2432 about age 77.

128709821844. Godizo Count Of BETEAU 1886 was born about 980 in Betuwe, Netherlands and died in 1018 1886 about age 38. Another name for Godizo was Godizo Count Of BETUWE.

Godizo married.

The child from this marriage was:

64354910922        i.  Eberhard Count Of BETEAU (born about 1006 in Betuwe, Netherlands)


128709821848. Louis II Comte De Ivoix & CHINY,2661 son of Louis I Comte De CHINY and Katharina, was born on 28 September 1025 in Chiny, Luxemburg and died in 1068 2661 at age 43.

General Notes: I don't have a source for Louis' birth date, having picked it up on World Connect, but it happens to be the day his father was murdered. He might also have been born closer to his parent's marriage date (1014)?

Louis married Sophie (Sophia) De VERDUN.2661 Sophie was born before 1023 in Verdun, Meuse, Lorraine, France and died in 1078 2661.

The child from this marriage was:

64354910924        i.  Arnold II Comte De CHINY (born about 1045 in Chiny, Luxemburg - died on 16 April 1106)


128709821849. Sophie (Sophia) De VERDUN,2661 daughter of Frederick Comte De VERDUN and Unknown, was born before 1023 in Verdun, Meuse, Lorraine, France and died in 1078 2661.

Sophie married Louis II Comte De Ivoix & CHINY.2661 Louis was born on 28 September 1025 in Chiny, Luxemburg and died in 1068 2661 at age 43.

128709821850. Hildouin IV Comte De Ramerupt & MONTDIDIER,415,670,1335,1909,2219,2446,2447,2448 son of Hildouin III Comte De Ramerupt & MONTDIDIER and Lesseline, was born about 1010 in Montdidier, Somme, Picardy, France and died in 1063 in Ramerupt, Aube, Champagne, France 1270,2199,2448 about age 53. Another name for Hildouin was Hildouin IV Comte De RAMERUPT & Montdidier.

Hildouin married Alice (Alix\Adela) Countess De ROUCY 1270,2446,2447,2450 in 1031 2448.,2449 Alice was born about 1014 in Roucy, Aisne, Picardy, France 2450 and died in 1062 2451 about age 48.

128709821851. Alice (Alix\Adela) Countess De ROUCY,415,670,1270,2446,2447,2450 daughter of Ebles I Comte De Rheims & ROUCY and Beatrix Of HAINAULT, was born about 1014 in Roucy, Aisne, Picardy, France 2450 and died in 1062 2451 about age 48.

Noted events in her life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1063. 2450

Alice married Hildouin IV Comte De Ramerupt & MONTDIDIER 1335,1909,2219,2446,2447,2448 in 1031 2448.,2449 Hildouin was born about 1010 in Montdidier, Somme, Picardy, France and died in 1063 in Ramerupt, Aube, Champagne, France 1270,2199,2448 about age 53. Another name for Hildouin was Hildouin IV Comte De RAMERUPT & Montdidier.

128709825600. Rodulf (Ralph) I De WARENNE 2234,2646 was born about 998 in Varenne Near Bellencombre, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 2189 and died after 1074 in Varenne Near Bellencombre, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 2646.

General Notes: RODULF (e) DE WARENNE derived his name from the hamlet of Varenne (dept. Seine-Inférieure) on the little river Varenne in Normandy. His parentage is unknown. He is said to have held land outside the walls of Rouen under Robert I, Duke of Normandy (died 1035), and the Cartulary of the abbey of the Holy Trinity on the Mont de Rouen proves that he held a considerable territory on both banks of the Seine upstream from Rouen. He also held land at Vascoeuil (dept. Eure), which he gave about 1053 to the abbey of St. Pierre de Préaux (b), and in the pays de Caux, north of Rouen, where he sold 4 churches with tithes to the Holy Trinity in 1059, and gave another church, also with tithes, in 1074. He married Beatrice, whose mother was almost certainly a sister of Gotmund Rufus DE VASCOEUIL, daughter of Tesselin, Vicomte of Rouen. She was living about 1053. [Complete Peerage XII/1:491-2, XIV:603, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

(e) His christian name is Latinised both as Rodulfus and as Radulfus (Ralph), This confusion occurs in other families (eg. the founder of the "Tancarvilles") and is probably due to two somewhat similar names having been assimilated into one; eg. Ranulf (from Hrabenwulf) and Randolf (from Randwulf). Scribes were then likely to change Rodulfus when copying early charters.

(b) Before May 1055 Rodulf sold to the monks land at Blosseville and Eauplet, on the right bank of the Seine, and Sotteville on the left bank. Subsequently he sold them all his rights in Blosseville, Mesnil-Esnard, Neuvillette, Lescure and Eauplet.

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[From "The Origins of Some Anglo-Norman Families"]

For this identification see Mr. Loyd's paper 'The Origin of the Family of Warenne' in Yorkshire Arch. Journal, vol. xxxi, pp. 97-113. The hamlet of Varenne lies on the river Varenne c. 2 miles S of Arques and c. 13 miles N of Bellencombre. The latter place, arr. Dieppe, cant. Bellencombre, where there was a castle, became the caput of the Warenne honour in Normandy.

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Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann@yahoo.com, provided the
following additional information on Rodulf, in a post-em:
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Rodulf (Ralph) I de Warenne

K.S.B. Keats-Rohan "Poppa of Bayeux and her Family":

1027-35: first occurrence of Ralph de Warenne in a charter for Saint-Amand [p22]

c1050: grant of land in Vascoeuil by Ralph de Warenne and wife Beatrice; charter mentions Ralph's brother Godfrey and was attested by Gotmund miles abbatis. Dateable to c1050 by a reference to Roger de Beaumont as Vicomte of Rouen [p22]

1050's: well known charters of early 1050s by which Ralph de Warenne and his wife Beatrice were associated with the lands of Roger fitz Bishop Hugh of Coutances and his sons. [p23]

Research note: K-R p22 contradicts CP (& Holloway & Wagner) by stating Rodulph/Ralph died before Beatrice. Beatrice is listed as living 1053 (CP XII/1:492 & ES III:698) & dead before 1059 (CP XII/1:492, K-R p22, Moriarty p184, Wagner p46]. K-R states a grant "made by widow Beatrice" to Preaux of land near Dozule, Eure was "dated during the time of William son of Count Robert, suggesting that William had not yet begun the series of military achievements that enabled him to be detached from his father in such references, i.e. before c1054-60". To do: check CP's source of the 1074 grant. Also is the term "widow" K-R's or stated in the grant of the land near Dozule?... Curt

Regards,
Curt

Rodulf married Beatrice De VASCOEUIL 2234,2423.,2647 Beatrice was born about 1004 in Vascoeuil, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died after 1053 2423.

128709825601. Beatrice De VASCOEUIL 2234,2423,2647 was born about 1004 in Vascoeuil, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died after 1053 2423.

General Notes: He [Rodulf de Warenne] married Beatrice, whose mother was almost certainly a sister of Gotmund Rufus DE VASCOEUIL, daughter of Tesselin, Vicomte of Rouen. She was living about 1053. [Complete Peerage XII/1:491-2, XIV:603, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

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The following is excerpted (full post is in notes under father) from a post to SGM, 3 Dec 1996, by Todd Farmerie:

From: Todd A. Farmerie (taf2@po.cwru.edu)
Subject: Robert de Torigny and the family of Gunnor, Duchess of Normandy
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 1996/12/03

It appears to be through this family that the relationship of two more Norman barons come into play, but not exactly as Torigny presents it. He shows yet another niece marrying Ranulph de Warenne, and by him having William de Warenne and Roger de Mortimer. This is clearly untrue, because Roger appears to have been a generation older than William. The solution appears to be that Torigny (as he had done with the Montgomerys) compressed into one individual a father and son of the same name. Ranulph de Warenne (I) appears to have married Beatrice, sister of Richard, vicomte of Rouen, and thus sister-in-law of one of Gunnor's nieces (thus it would appear that this family actually does not descend from a relative of Gunnor's, but is genealogically linked to some of her descendants) and had sons: Roger (de Mortimer) and Ranulph de Warenne (II), who in turn was father of another Ranulf (III) and of William de Warenne.

Beatrice married Rodulf (Ralph) I De WARENNE 2234.,2646 Rodulf was born about 998 in Varenne Near Bellencombre, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 2189 and died after 1074 in Varenne Near Bellencombre, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 2646.

128709825602. Raoul III "The Great" Count Of Valois & VEXIN,415,2430,2431 son of Raoul II Comte D' VALOIS & Crepy and Adele De BRETEUIL, was born about 1015 in Vexin, Seine Inferieure, Normandy, France,2431 died from 23 February 1073 to 1074 in Peronne, Somme, Picardy, France 2431 about age 58, and was buried in Crepy, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France. Another name for Raoul was Raoul III "The Great" Count Of VALOIS & Vexin.

General Notes: Raoul, a descendent of Charlemagne, was Count of Valois, Vexin, and Crepy. To this he added Bar-sur-Aube by marrying the heiress, Aelis, Comtesse de Bar-sur-Aube, a widow. However, after sigining the marriage-contract but before the nuptials had taken place, the knights of the Chateau de Joigny passed her on to another nobleman. Raoul hurried back and captured the Chateau and his bride, locking her up in La Ferte-sur-Aube, long enough to assure himself she was not pregnant. Again in his absence, she was captured by a local squire but, after being rescued, the nuptials with Raoul took place and they became the parents of two sons and two, perhaps three, daughters.

After Aelis died, Raoul married a lady named Haquenez, but when the king died and his widow became available, Raoul dismissed Haquenez and married the queen-widow. At this, however, Haquenez complained to the pope of being "despoiled of everything by her husband; she had been dismissed on a false charge of fornication."

Raoul was excommunicated, not for adultery but for incest. 'Contrary to the law, he had lain with the wife of the dead king, who was his cousin." [Leo van de Pas]

Raoul married Aelis (Adele) Comtesse De BAR-SUR-AUBE 2655 before 1041 in 4th Husband 1St Wife.2429 Aelis was born about 1019 in Bar-Sur-Aube, Aube, Champagne, France and died in 1053 2655 about age 34.

Raoul next married Haquenez 2429 after 1053 in 2ND Wife - Divorced 1060.2429 Haquenez was born about 1030 in France.

Raoul next married Queen Of France Anna (Agnesa) Yaroslavna Of KIEV 1524,1598,1601,2426 in 1061 in 2ND Husband 3Rd Wife.2429 Anna was born about 1024 in Kiev, Ukraine,2427 died after 1075 in France 1524,2428, and was buried in Villiers Abbey, La-Ferte-Alias, Essonne, Ile-DE-France, France.

128709825603. Aelis (Adele) Comtesse De BAR-SUR-AUBE,2655 daughter of Nocher III Comte De BAR-SUR-AUBE and Unknown, was born about 1019 in Bar-Sur-Aube, Aube, Champagne, France and died in 1053 2655 about age 34.

General Notes: The marriages of Aelis are very confusing to say the least. I think that I have sorted them out in order. See notes under Raoul (4th husband) to see some of the reasons behind all of the "marriages". Perhaps the 2nd & 3rd of them weren't really marriages, but abductions, which would explain why there were so many marriages with little time in between husbands.

I have her with a son by her 1st husband. The account in Raoul's notes doesn't say anything about earlier children, starting her out as a "widow", apparently of a Joigny.

Noted events in her life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1043.

Aelis married Renaud I Comte De JOIGNY 2657 before 1034 in 1st Husband.2655 Renaud was born about 1015 in Joigny, Yonne, Bourgogne, France and died before 1037.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, After 1055.

Aelis next married Roger I De VIGNORY 2659 in 1038 in 2ND Husband 2ND Wife - Divorced ?.2658 Roger was born about 1000 in Vignory, Haute-Marne, Champagne, France and died before 1059 2659.

Aelis next married Renaud De SEMUR-EN-BRIONNAIS,2660 son of Dalmas I Comte De SEMUR and Aremburge De NEVERS, in 1040 in 3rd Husband.2655 Renaud was born about 1019 in Semur-En-Brionnais, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France. Another name for Renaud was Renaud De SEMUR.

Aelis next married Raoul III "The Great" Count Of Valois & VEXIN 2430,2431 before 1041 in 4th Husband 1St Wife.2429 Raoul was born about 1015 in Vexin, Seine Inferieure, Normandy, France,2431 died from 23 February 1073 to 1074 in Peronne, Somme, Picardy, France 2431 about age 58, and was buried in Crepy, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France. Another name for Raoul was Raoul III "The Great" Count Of VALOIS & Vexin.

128709825662. Osbern FITZRICHARD Of Richard's Castle,415,505,2035,2036 son of Simon II De DAMMARTIN Count Of Aumale and Marie Countess Of PONTHIEU, was born in 1055 in Arwystle, Herefordshire, England and died after 1100 in Richard's Castle, Ludlow, Herefordshire, England 2035,2036.

General Notes: Sheriff of Hereford 1060 [Ancestral Roots]

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OSBERN FITZRICHARD, son of the above, was a Domesday tenant, and lived till the time of Henry I, when he made a grant of land to Worcester Priory, which was confirmed and added to by his son Hugh. He probably married Nest, daughter of Gruffyd ap Llewellyn, King of Wales. [Complete Peerage IX:257, XIV:488, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

Osbern married Nesta Verch GRUFFUDD 1034,2033,2034 before 1076 in 2ND Husband. Nesta was born about 1057 in Rhuddlan, Flintshire, Wales 1034,2032 and died in 1153 about age 96.

128709825663. Nesta Verch GRUFFUDD,415,505,1034,2033,2034 daughter of Gruffudd Ap LLEWELYN Prince Of Wales and Edith (Aldgyth) Of MERCIA, was born about 1057 in Rhuddlan, Flintshire, Wales 1034,2032 and died in 1153 about age 96.

Nesta married Trahaearn Ap CARADOG Prince Of North Wales,1034,2032 son of Caradog Ap GWYN and Ferch Gwerystan, before 1070 in Very Doubtful Marriage.2032 Trahaearn was born about 1030 in Arwystli, Montgomeryshire, Wales 1034 and died in 1081 in Battle Of Carno, Arwystli, Montgomeryshire, Wales 1034,2032 about age 51.

Nesta next married Osbern FITZRICHARD Of Richard's Castle 2035,2036 before 1076 in 2ND Husband. Osbern was born in 1055 in Arwystle, Herefordshire, England and died after 1100 in Richard's Castle, Ludlow, Herefordshire, England 2035,2036.

128709825728. Turulf (Thorold) Seigneur De PONT AUDEMER,2662,2663 son of Torf "The Rich" De HARCOURT and Ermenberge De BRIQUEBEC, was born about 952 in Pont Audemer, Eure, Normandy, France and died in 979 about age 27. Other names for Turulf were Tourude De HARCOURT, and Tourade Seigneur De PONTAUDEMER.2664

General Notes: Turton has Tourade m. to Eva (Dulceline) de Crepon, but Todd A. Farmerie states that her name was Duvelina.

Turulf married Duvelina (Eva\Dulceline) "Not" De CREPON 2234,2665.,2666 Duvelina was born about 953 in Arque, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.

The child from this marriage was:

64354912864        i.  Humphrey De PONTAUDEMER Seigneur De Vieilles (born about 980 in Pont Audemer, Eure, Normandy, France - died on 28 September 1044 in Vieilles Landes, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France)


128709825729. Duvelina (Eva\Dulceline) "Not" De CREPON,415,2234,2665,2666 daughter of Herbastus Forester Of ARQUE and Gunnhild OLAFSDOTTIR Princess Of Sweden, was born about 953 in Arque, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.

General Notes: The following is excerpted (full post is in notes under father) from a post to SGM, 3 Dec 1996, by Todd Farmerie:

From: Todd A. Farmerie (taf2@po.cwru.edu)
Subject: Robert de Torigny and the family of Gunnor, Duchess of Normandy
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 1996/12/03

Duvelina, a second sister of Gunnor, married Turulf de Pont Audemer, son of a Norman founder Torf, and uncle of the first of the Harcourts. They had at least one son, Humphrey de Vielles, who in turn was father of Roger de Beaumont, another Conquest-era baron.

Duvelina married Turulf (Thorold) Seigneur De PONT AUDEMER 2662.,2663 Turulf was born about 952 in Pont Audemer, Eure, Normandy, France and died in 979 about age 27. Other names for Turulf were Tourude De HARCOURT, and Tourade Seigneur De PONTAUDEMER.2664

128709825732. Robert II (Hugo) Count Of MEULAN,415,1778 son of Waleran II (Robert) Count Of MEULAN and Unknown, was born about 966 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France and died in 991 1778 about age 25.

General Notes: The following was given in a post-em by Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann@yahoo.com:

ID: I00298 Robert II Count of Meulan

ES III:701A shows "Hugo I & dau Gautier II Cte de Valois".

died: kurz nach 25.VIII 1005 [Ref: ES III:657 & 701A] (shortly before 25 Aug 1005)

ES lists his father's name as Galeran, but I've also seen Waleran. Also I've seen Count of Meulan or Meullant.

So is it Hugo or Robert? ES is usually more reliable than Turton, but ES is not without it's faults too.

Regards,
Curt

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, Bef 25 August 1005.

Robert married Adela (Alix) De VEXIN 1778.,2445 Adela was born about 970 in Vexin, Seine Inferieure, Normandy, France. Another name for Adela was Miss De VALOIS.

The child from this marriage was:

64354912866        i.  Waleran III Count Of MEULAN (born about 990 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France - died on 8 October 1069)


128709825733. Adela (Alix) De VEXIN,415,1778,2445 daughter of Walter II Count Of Vexin & Amiens & VALOIS and Adele De SENLIS, was born about 970 in Vexin, Seine Inferieure, Normandy, France. Another name for Adela was Miss De VALOIS.

Adela married Robert II (Hugo) Count Of MEULAN.1778 Robert was born about 966 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France and died in 991 1778 about age 25.

128709825734. Jean De CONTEVILLE Vicomte De Comyn,415,2498 son of Count Baudouin III Of FLANDERS and Countess Of Flanders Mathilde Princess Of SAXONY, was born about 962 of Tonsburgh & Comyn, Normandy, France and died in Conteville, Eure, Normandy, France.

Jean married.

128709825868. Hildouin III Comte De Ramerupt & MONTDIDIER,415,1270 son of Hildouin II Comte De MONTDIDIER and Unknown, was born about 990 in Montdidier, Somme, Picardy, France and died in Ramerupt, Aube, Champagne, France. Another name for Hildouin was Hildouin III Comte De RAMERUPT & Montdidier.

Hildouin married Lesseline. Lesseline was born about 995 in France.

The child from this marriage was:

64354912934        i.  Hildouin IV Comte De Ramerupt & MONTDIDIER (born about 1010 in Montdidier, Somme, Picardy, France - died in 1063 in Ramerupt, Aube, Champagne, France)


128709825869. Lesseline 415 was born about 995 in France.

Lesseline married Hildouin III Comte De Ramerupt & MONTDIDIER.1270 Hildouin was born about 990 in Montdidier, Somme, Picardy, France and died in Ramerupt, Aube, Champagne, France. Another name for Hildouin was Hildouin III Comte De RAMERUPT & Montdidier.

128709825870. Ebles I Comte De Rheims & ROUCY,415,1783,2583 son of Giselbert Comte De ROUCY & Rheims and Miss De MACON, was born in 988 in Roucy, Aisne, Picardy, France, died on 11 May 1033 in Reims, Marne, Champagne, France 2667 at age 45, and was buried in Archbishop Of Rheims.2667 Another name for Ebles was Ebles I Comte De RHEIMS & Roucy.

Ebles married Beatrix Of HAINAULT 1783.,2583 Beatrix was born in 992 in Hainault, France and died after 1035.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Avise De ROUCY was born about 1010 in Roucy, Aisne, Picardy, France.

                  ii.  Aelis De ROUCY was born about 1012 in Roucy, Aisne, Picardy, France and died in 1063 in Soissons, Aisne, Picardy, France about age 51.

64354912935      iii.  Alice (Alix\Adela) Countess De ROUCY (born about 1014 in Roucy, Aisne, Picardy, France - died in 1062)


128709825871. Beatrix Of HAINAULT,415,1783,2583 daughter of Rainer IV Count Of HAINAULT and Hedwig (Edith) Princess Of FRANCE, was born in 992 in Hainault, France and died after 1035.

Beatrix married Ebles I Comte De Rheims & ROUCY 1783.,2583 Ebles was born in 988 in Roucy, Aisne, Picardy, France, died on 11 May 1033 in Reims, Marne, Champagne, France 2667 at age 45, and was buried in Archbishop Of Rheims.2667 Another name for Ebles was Ebles I Comte De RHEIMS & Roucy.

128709825924. Niel (Nigel) III Vicomte De ST. SAUVEUR,415,1336 son of Niel (Nigel) II Vicomte De ST. SAUVEUR and Godhilda BORE, was born about 985 in St Sauveur, Cotentin/Manche, Normandy, France and died after 1066 1336.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1092. 2453 (as a monk)

Niel married Adela D' EU.1336 Adela was born about 985 in Eu, Dieppe, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.

Children from this marriage were:

64354912962        i.  Niel (Nigel) IV Vicomte De ST. SAUVEUR (born about 1008 in St Sauveur, Cotentin/Manche, Normandy, France - died before 1073)

                  ii.  William Seigneur D' AUBIGNY was born about 1010 in St. Martin D'aubigny, Manche, Normandy, France 2668 and died after 1066 1336. Another name for William was William D' ALIBINI.

                 iii.  Billeheude De ST. SAUVEUR was born about 1012 in St Sauveur, Cotentin/Manche, Normandy, France and died before 1060.


128709825925. Adela D' EU,415,1336 daughter of Godfrey Fitzrichard Of BRIONNE Comte D'eu and Heloise De GUINES, was born about 985 in Eu, Dieppe, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.

Adela married Niel (Nigel) III Vicomte De ST. SAUVEUR.1336 Niel was born about 985 in St Sauveur, Cotentin/Manche, Normandy, France and died after 1066 1336.

128709825928. Ralph II Seigneur De TOENI Lord Of Conches,1449,2669 son of Ralph I Seigneur De TOENI and Unknown, was born before 970 in Tosni, Louviers, Eure, Normandy, France 1449,2669 and died after 1015 in Guerny, Eure, Normandy, France 1449,2669.

General Notes: Ralph/Rodulf de Toeni; feudal Lord also of Conches; custodian with his son of Castle of Tillieres from 1013 to 1014; took part in Norman expedition to Southern Italy c1015. [Burke's Peerage]

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RALPH (or RODULF) DE TOENI II, son and heir, was born probably before 970, for in 1013 or 1014 the Duke of Normandy, having founded the castle of Tilliéres, gave the custody of it to Ralph de Toeni and his son Roger, together with Neel, Vicomte of the Cotentin. Ralph was seigneur of Tosni and Conches. ) About 1015 he went to Apulia; and in the winter of 1015-16 he was at the siege of Salerno (a). The name and parentage of his wife are unknown, but it is possible that she belonged to a collateral branch of the ducal house; for according to Orderic, Ralph's son Roger descended from an alleged uncle of Rolf, the founder of Normandy (b). The date of Ralph's death is not known. [Complete Peerage XII/1:754-5, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

(a) "Chron. Mon. Casinensis" (in one MS, only) in Mon. Germ. Hist., vol ix (vol vii Scriptorum), p. 652, note (a); F. Chalondon, La Domination normande en Italie, vol i, pp. 49, 52; cf. Douglas, op. cit. p. 30, note 127. He may be the "quidam Normannorum audacissimus, nomine Rodulfuls," who (according to Rodulf Glaber), having displeased Duke Richard, went to Rome to lay his cause before the Pope and was induced by him to got to Benevento to fight the Greeks; and after victorious campaigns returned to Normandy (Rec. des Hist. de France, vol x, pp. 25-26). According to the Sens Chron., Count Rodulf, whose son Roger fought in Spain (see p. 756, note "b" below), set out from Normandy for Jerusalem, but when he reached Apulia was asked by the local princeps to abandon his pilgrimage and stop to fight the Greeks, which he did ("Chron. S. Petri Vivi Senonensis," in Idem, p. 223). These writers may refer to Ralph de Toeni, but the identity cannot be proved.

(b) . . . de Stirpe Malahulcii, qui Rollonis patruus fuerat (Will. de Jumieges, p. 157--interpoations by Orderic). An alternative reading is "de stirpe mala Hulcii" (Rec. des Hist. de France, vol xi, p. 38); whence he is called "Hulce" by the Vicomte du Motey, Origines de la Normandie, p. 55, note 4 and p. 173. Nothing is known of Rolf's alleged uncle under either name. If he really existed, the alleged descent might be through the unknown wife of the elder Ralph.

Ralph married Miss Countess Of BAYEUX. Miss was born about 970 in Bayeux, Calvados, Normandy, France.

The child from this marriage was:

64354912964        i.  Roger II "The Spaniard" Conches De TOENI (born about 990 in Tosni, Louviers, Eure, Normandy, France - died between 1038 and 1039 in Battle With Neighbor Against Succession Of William I)


128709825929. Miss Countess Of BAYEUX,415 daughter of Balso Count Of BAYEUX and Unknown, was born about 970 in Bayeux, Calvados, Normandy, France.

Miss married Ralph II Seigneur De TOENI Lord Of Conches 1449.,2669 Ralph was born before 970 in Tosni, Louviers, Eure, Normandy, France 1449,2669 and died after 1015 in Guerny, Eure, Normandy, France 1449,2669.

128709825930. Raymond Borrell III Barcelona BERENGAR Count Of Barcelona,415,1980,2456 son of Borrell II Of Barcelona Count Of Barcelona and Luitgarde De TOULOUSE, was born about. 972 in Barcelona, Spain and died on 25 February 1017 1980 at age 45.

Raymond married Ermensinde Of CARCASSONNE 2455,2456 on 20 January 991-992. Ermensinde was born in 975 in Carcassonne, Aude, Languedoc, France and died from 1 March 1057 to 1058 at age 82.

128709825931. Ermensinde Of CARCASSONNE,415,2455,2456 daughter of Roger I De COMMINGES and Adelaide De MELGUEIL, was born in 975 in Carcassonne, Aude, Languedoc, France and died from 1 March 1057 to 1058 at age 82.

General Notes:
During the reign of her husband husband Ramon Borrell presided over assemblies and tribunals, participated in military campagns, and after his death she contuned as regent first for son Berenguer Ramon I and then for grandson Ramon Berenguer I and became the stabilizing factor in the politics of the state. She lived (795-1058). 1741

Ermensinde married Raymond Borrell III Barcelona BERENGAR Count Of Barcelona 1980,2456 on 20 January 991-992. Raymond was born about. 972 in Barcelona, Spain and died on 25 February 1017 1980 at age 45.

128709826248. Geoffrey I De RANCON,2229 son of Aimery I De RANCON and Unknown, was born before 1014 in Rancon, Haute-Vienne, Limousin, France and died in 1068 2229.

Geoffrey married Bourgogne.2229 Bourgogne was born about 1035 in France.

The child from this marriage was:

64354913124        i.  Geoffrey II De RANCON (born about 1062 in Rancon, Haute-Vienne, Limousin, France - died in 1137)


128709826249. Bourgogne 2229 was born about 1035 in France.

Bourgogne married Geoffrey I De RANCON.2229 Geoffrey was born before 1014 in Rancon, Haute-Vienne, Limousin, France and died in 1068 2229.

128710214720. Roger De MONTGOMERY,415,1120,1968 son of Roger De MONTGOMERY and Unknown, was born about 950 in St-Germain-DE-Montgomery, Calvados, Normandy, France and died after 1022 1120.

Roger married.

The child from this marriage was:

64355107360        i.  Hugues De MONTGOMERY (born about 975 in St-Germain-DE-Montgomery, Calvados, Normandy, France - died before 7 February 1049-1050 in St-Foye-DE-Montgomery, Calvados, Normandy, France)


128710214722. Forester Of ST. VAAST D'EQUIQUEVILLE 415,1968,2234 was born about 950 in St. Vaast D'equiqueville, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.

Forester married Senfrie (Sainfrie) De CREPON 1601,1968,2234.,2664 Senfrie was born about 970 in Arque, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.

The child from this marriage was:

64355107361        i.  Joscelina De ST. VAAST D'EQUIQUEVILLE (born about 978 in St. Vaast D'equiqueville, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France)


128710214723. Senfrie (Sainfrie) De CREPON,415,1601,1746,1968,2234,2664 daughter of Herbastus Forester Of ARQUE and Gunnhild OLAFSDOTTIR Princess Of Sweden, was born about 970 in Arque, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.

General Notes:
Turton has Eva/Dulceline married to Tourade de Pontaudemer, and mother of Josceline. According to Todd A. Farmerie & Alan B. Wilson, citing the latest works, Senfrie was mother of Josceline, but she married a forester of St. Vaast, while her sister Duvelina married Turulf de Pont Audemer.

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The following is excerpted (full post is in notes under father) from a post to SGM, 3 Dec 1996, by Todd Farmerie:

From: Todd A. Farmerie (taf2@po.cwru.edu)
Subject: Robert de Torigny and the family of Gunnor, Duchess of Normandy
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 1996/12/03

Gunnor had at least three sisters, of which the oldest appears to have been Senfria (Seinfreda), who was wife of the (unnamed) forester from the area of St. Vaast d'Equiqueville, and it was her charms which are said first to have attracted the attentions Duke Richard I. She appears to have had at least one daughter, Joscelina, wife of Hugh de Montgomery. (Torigny makes Joscelina daughter of another sister, Wevia, but a contemporary of Torigny, in demonstrating the genealogical impediment to a marriage of a bastard of Henry I to a Montgomery descendant specifically calls Joscelina's mother Senfria, and the inheritance by the Montgomerys of large holdings suggests that Joscelina was a significant coheir to her parents, which does not match Wevia's family where two sons would be expected to acquire most of the family land.) Hugh de Montgomery and Joscelina had a son Roger, but contrary to Torigny's statements, he was not the Conquest baron of that name, but instead his father. By a wife possibly named Emma, Roger had: Hugh; Roger (who married Mabel of Belleme and played a significant role in pre-Conquest Normandy); William (who murdered cousin Osbern); Robert, and Gilbert.

Senfrie married Forester Of ST. VAAST D'EQUIQUEVILLE 1968.,2234 Forester was born about 950 in St. Vaast D'equiqueville, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.

128710214728. Yves Seigneur De Creil & BELLEME,415,2670,2671 son of Fulk (Fulcuin) Seigneur De CORBONAIS and Rolais, was born about 940 in Creil, Oise, Picardy, France and died in 997 in Belleme, Sarthe, Maine/Pays DE Le Loire, France 1120 about age 57. Another name for Yves was Ivres Seigneur De CREIL & Belleme.

Yves married Godchilde De PONTHIEU 2069.,2672 Godchilde was born about 944 in Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France.

Children from this marriage were:

64355107364        i.  William Seigneur De BELLEME And D'alencon (born about 965 in Belleme, Sarthe, Maine/Pays DE Le Loire, France - died in 1028 in Domfront, Orne, Normandy, France)

64355107367       ii.  Godehilde (Godehelt) De BELLEME (born about 968 in Belleme, Sarthe, Maine/Pays DE Le Loire, France)

                 iii.  Yves De BELLEME De Chateau-Gontier was born about 970 in Belleme, Sarthe, Maine/Pays DE Le Loire, France and died in Chateau Gontier, Mayenne, Maine/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France.

                  iv.  Hildeburge De BELLEME was born about 975 in Belleme, Sarthe, Maine/Pays DE Le Loire, France and died in 1024 about age 49. Another name for Hildeburge was Hildeburge De BELESME.


128710214729. Godchilde De PONTHIEU,415,2069,2672 daughter of Guillaume I Comte De PONTHIEU and Maude De St. Pol Sur Mer De THEROUANNE, was born about 944 in Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France.

General Notes:
Many people have Godchilde daughter of Hilduin de Ponthieu & Hersende, but according to the dates that I have for the people involved, Eileen Suggs, World Connect db=emsuggs, is correct in placing her as daughter of Guillaume & Maud.

Godchilde married Yves Seigneur De Creil & BELLEME 2670.,2671 Yves was born about 940 in Creil, Oise, Picardy, France and died in 997 in Belleme, Sarthe, Maine/Pays DE Le Loire, France 1120 about age 57. Another name for Yves was Ivres Seigneur De CREIL & Belleme.

128710214732. Raoul I De BEAUMONT Vicomte Du Mans,415 son of Robert Buzancais De BEAUMONT Seigneur De Tour and Unknown, was born about 935 in Le Mans, Sarthe, Maine/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France. Another name for Raoul was Raoul I De BEAUMONT-MAINE Vicomte Du Mans.

Raoul married Godehilde. Godehilde was born about 947 in France.

Children from this marriage were:

64355107366        i.  Raoul II De BEAUMONT Vicomte Du Maine (born in 965 in Le Mans, Sarthe, Maine/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France - died after 1013 in Ste-Suzanne, Mayenne, Maine/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France)

                  ii.  Alpais De BEAUMONT was born about 985 in Le Mans, Sarthe, Maine/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France. Another name for Alpais was Alpais De BEAUMONT-MAINE.


128710214733. Godehilde 415 was born about 947 in France.

Godehilde married Raoul I De BEAUMONT Vicomte Du Mans. Raoul was born about 935 in Le Mans, Sarthe, Maine/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France. Another name for Raoul was Raoul I De BEAUMONT-MAINE Vicomte Du Mans.

128710214734. Yves Seigneur De Creil & BELLEME,415,2670,2671 son of Fulk (Fulcuin) Seigneur De CORBONAIS and Rolais, was born about 940 in Creil, Oise, Picardy, France and died in 997 in Belleme, Sarthe, Maine/Pays DE Le Loire, France 1120 about age 57. Another name for Yves was Ivres Seigneur De CREIL & Belleme.

Yves married Godchilde De PONTHIEU 2069.,2672 Godchilde was born about 944 in Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France.

128710214735. Godchilde De PONTHIEU,415,2069,2672 daughter of Guillaume I Comte De PONTHIEU and Maude De St. Pol Sur Mer De THEROUANNE, was born about 944 in Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France.

General Notes:
Many people have Godchilde daughter of Hilduin de Ponthieu & Hersende, but according to the dates that I have for the people involved, Eileen Suggs, World Connect db=emsuggs, is correct in placing her as daughter of Guillaume & Maud.

Godchilde married Yves Seigneur De Creil & BELLEME 2670.,2671 Yves was born about 940 in Creil, Oise, Picardy, France and died in 997 in Belleme, Sarthe, Maine/Pays DE Le Loire, France 1120 about age 57. Another name for Yves was Ivres Seigneur De CREIL & Belleme.

128710214736. Lord Of Abbeville Hugues I Comte De PONTHIEU,415,1120,1601,1746,2673 son of Hildouin Comte De PONTHIEU and Hersende De MONTREUIL, was born about 965 in Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France and died on 4 July 1000 in Abbeville, Somme, Picardy, France about age 35. Another name for Hugues was Hugh I De MONTREUIL Seigneur Of Abbeville.

General Notes:
Advocate of St Riquier.
Advocate 981 of Ponthieu.
Adherent of Hugh Capet.

Hugues married Gisèle Princess Of FRANCE 1120,1601 before 987 in <Of Bourgogne, Champagne, France>. Gisèle was born about 970 of Bourgogne, Champagne, France.

The child from this marriage was:

64355107368        i.  Enguerrand I Comte De PONTHIEU (born about 985 in Montreuil, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France - died about 20 September 1045 in Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France)


128710214737. Gisèle Princess Of FRANCE,415,1120,1601,1746 daughter of Hugues "Capet" King Of FRANCE and Adélaïde Princess Of AQUITAINE, was born about 970 of Bourgogne, Champagne, France.

Gisèle married Lord Of Abbeville Hugues I Comte De PONTHIEU 1120,1601,2673 before 987 in <Of Bourgogne, Champagne, France>. Hugues was born about 965 in Ponthieu, Somme, Picardy, France and died on 4 July 1000 in Abbeville, Somme, Picardy, France about age 35. Another name for Hugues was Hugh I De MONTREUIL Seigneur Of Abbeville.


128710214752. Hugues "Capet" King Of FRANCE,415,1601,1746,2048,2674,2675 son of Count Of Paris Hugh Magnus Capet Of Neustria, Duke Of The FRANKS Count Of Paris and Princess Of The Germans Hedwige Of SAXONY, was born from about January 940 to 41 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France,2047 died on 14 October 996 in Les Juifs, Chartres, France 1524,2048 about age 56, and was buried in St Denis Abbey, Ile-DE-France, France. Another name for Hugues was Hugh CAPET King Of France.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, Abt 938. 2048

• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, After 939. 2676

• Ruled: 987-996.

Hugues married Adélaïde Princess Of AQUITAINE 1601,2675,2677 in July 968.2047 Adélaïde was born in 945 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France 1447,2047,2678 and died about 1004 1524,2047 about age 59. Other names for Adélaïde were Adela, Adèle, Adélaïde, Princess D' AQUITAINE, and Alisa Af POITOU.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Hedwig (Edith) Princess Of FRANCE was born about 965 in France and died about 1013 2679 about age 48. Another name for Hedwig was Hathuide CAPET.

128710214737      ii.  Gisèle Princess Of FRANCE (born about 970 of Bourgogne, Champagne, France)

64355107376      iii.  Robert II "The Pious" King Of FRANCE (born on 27 March 972 in Orleans, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France - died on 20 July 1031 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France)

                  iv.  Alice Princess Of FRANCE was born about 973 in , , , France and died in 1079 about age 106.

Hugues next married Miss De NORMANDY,2680 daughter of William I "Longsword" Duke Of NORMANDY and Sprota (Sporta) De SENLIS. Miss was born about 935 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.

Hugues next married Mrs-Hugh CAPET Concubine Of France.1601 Mrs-Hugh was born in <Paris, Seine, France> and died in Y.




128710214753. Adélaïde Princess Of AQUITAINE,415,1444,1601,1746,2675,2677 daughter of Count Of Poitiers Guillaume III (I) Duke Of AQUITAINE and Countess Of Poitiers Adèle (Gerloc) Of NORMANDY, was born in 945 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France 1447,2047,2678 and died about 1004 1524,2047 about age 59. Other names for Adélaïde were Adela, Adèle, Adélaïde, Princess D' AQUITAINE, and Alisa Af POITOU.

General Notes:
Also known as Adèle, she was married to Hugues Capet, and reigned jointly with him, and after his death 996 she also seems to have played a political role during the beginning of the reign of her son, Robert II. She was daughter of Guillaume II and Adèle de Normandie, and lived (ca. 945-1004/06). 1741

Adélaïde married Hugues "Capet" King Of FRANCE 1601,2048,2674,2675 in July 968.2047 Hugues was born from about January 940 to 41 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France,2047 died on 14 October 996 in Les Juifs, Chartres, France 1524,2048 about age 56, and was buried in St Denis Abbey, Ile-DE-France, France. Another name for Hugues was Hugh CAPET King Of France.

128710214754. William II Count Of Arles & PROVENCE,415,1524,2681 son of Boso II Count Of Avignon & ARLES and Constance De PROVENCE, was born in 950 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France,2682 died in 994 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France 2683 at age 44, and was buried in Died As A Monk In Avignon, France.

William married Arsenda De COMMINGES,2684 daughter of Arnaud I Count Of COMMINGES & Carcassonne and Arsinde Countess Of CARCASSONNE, in 1st Wife.2684 Arsenda was born about 953 in Comminges, Haute Garonne, Midi Pyrenees, France and died before 984.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Ermengarde De PROVENCE was born about 976 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France and died in 994 about age 18.

                  ii.  Lucie De PROVENCE was born about 978 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France.

                 iii.  Toda Of PROVENCE was born about 980 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France.

                  iv.  Arsinde De PROVENCE was born about 982 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France and died before 1014.

William next married Countess Of Toulouse Adelaide (Blanche\Adele) D' ANJOU [Countess Of Gevaf 1524,1601,2685,2686,2687 after 984 in 4th Husband 2ND Wife.2685 Adelaide was born about 945 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France 2688 and died in 1026 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France 2682 about age 81.

Noted events in their marriage were:

• Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage, 975. 1524 1st wife

• Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage 1st wife, 975. 1524

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  William III Count Of Arles & PROVENCE was born about 985 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France and died in 1018 about age 33.

64355107377       ii.  Queen Of France Constance De TOULOUSE (born about 986 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France - died on 25 July 1032 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France)

                 iii.  Odile De PROVENCE was born about 987 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France and died after 1012.


128710214755. Countess Of Toulouse Adelaide (Blanche\Adele) D' ANJOU [Countess Of Gevaf,415,1524,1601,1746,2685,2686,2687 daughter of Foulques II "Le Bon" Comte D' ANJOU Count Of Anjou and Countess Of Anjou Gerberga De GATINAIS, was born about 945 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France 2688 and died in 1026 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France 2682 about age 81.

General Notes:
The following is excerpted from a post to SGM, 30 Jul 2000, by Todd A Farmerie:

From: Todd A. Farmerie (farmerie@interfold.com)
Subject: Re: Adelaide d'Anjou (was Tiburge d'Orange)
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2000/07/30

TatjanaAV wrote:

Blanche appears to have been more of a nickname. She is better known as
Adelaide, wife of Stephen of Gevaudan, Raymond of Toulouse, Louis V of
France, and William of Provence.

So... This Adelaide was indeed married to Raymond de Toulouse? I've seen this
in only one account--all others do not have Raymond in the genealogy at all
(Guillaume III is recorded as the son Raymond III Pons de Toulouse and Garsinde
de Rouergue).

Yes. This was only recently rediscovered. There is a surviving charter in which Guillaume names his wife Emma and mother Adelaide, and there is every reason to think this was the same Adelaide, known to have married "Count Raimond". The chronology is aufully long to have William a son of Raymond Pons as well, and the near-contemporary Roda Codex gives Raymond Pons no son William, but does give him a son Raymond. These make it evident that a reworking is in order.

When were Adelaide's parents married? I've seen it as 937, when
she was supposedly born in 930, and has Guillaume III in 947.

I don't think there is enough information to provide such a date. Certainly both of them you give are nothing more than guesses, and need to be adjusted. As to William's birth, this date is wrong, based on his mistaken placement as son of Raymond Pons. A more recent guess is about 975.

Who are ALL of her children (with the correct fathers)?

Stasser gives her the following:

by Etienne de Brioude:
1. Pons de Gevaudan
2. Bertrand de Brioude
3. Etienne de Brioude
4. Ermengarde/Humberge, Countess of Auvergne
5?. daughter, wife of Herbert of Troyes

by Raymond:
6. Guillaume Taillefer
7?. Toda/Adelaide, Countess of Besalu (I question this one)
8?. Letgarde

by Guillaume II of Provence:
9. Guillaume III
10. Constance, Queen of France

taf

Adelaide married Etienne II De BRIOUDE 2685 in 1st Husband.2685 Etienne was born about 940 in Brioude, Haute-Loire, Auvergne, France and died before 972 in Gevaudan, Alpes-DE-Haute-Provence, Provence, France. Another name for Etienne was Etienne II De GEVAUDAN.

The child from this marriage was:

                   i.  Pons De GEVAUDAN was born about 970 in Gevaudan, Alpes-DE-Haute-Provence, Provence, France.

Adelaide next married Raymond V Taillefer Count Of TOULOUSE 2151,2689,2690 about 972 in 2ND Husband.2685 Raymond was born in 947 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France 2151 and died about 990 about age 43.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Adelaide (Tota) Of TOULOUSE was born about 972 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France.

                  ii.  William III Taillefer Count Of TOULOUSE was born about 975 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France 2684 and died in September 1037 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France 1997 about age 62.

                 iii.  Bertrand De TOULOUSE Comte De Forcalquier was born about 985 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France and died in Forcalquier, Alpes-DE-Haute-Provence, Provence, France.



Adelaide next married Louis V "The Do-Nothing" King Of FRANCE,2687 son of Lothair Carolingien, King Of FRANCE and Unknown, in 982 in 3rd Husband - Divorced 984.2691 Louis was born in 967 in Laon, Aisne, Picardy, France 2687 and died between 21 and 22 May 987 in (Dsp) 2687.

Noted events in his life were:

• Ruled: 979-986 (joint with father), 986-987. 2692

Adelaide next married Guillaume III TAILLEFER Count Of Toulouse,1601 son of Duke Raymond III Pons Of TOULOUSE Count Of Toulouse and Countess Garsinde TOULOUSE, about 973 in , , , France. Guillaume was born about 947 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, France and died in September 1037 about age 90.

Adelaide next married William II Count Of Arles & PROVENCE 1524,2681 after 984 in 4th Husband 2ND Wife.2685 William was born in 950 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France,2682 died in 994 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France 2683 at age 44, and was buried in Died As A Monk In Avignon, France.

128710214756. Geoffrey II Seigneur De SEMUR,415,2482,2693,2694 son of Geoffrey I Seigneur De SEMUR and Unknown, was born about 961 in Semur-En-Brionnais, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France and died in 1018 about age 57.

Geoffrey married Maud (Matilda\Mahaut) De CHALON 2693,2695 in Only Husband ?.2693 Maud was born about 969 in Chalon-Sur-Saone, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France and died between 1016 and 1019 2695 about age 47.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Erembourg Of SEMUR was born about 987 in Semur-En-Brionnais, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France.

                  ii.  Thibaut Comte De CHALON was born about 989 in Chalon-Sur-Saone, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France and died about 1065 in Tolosa, Italy 2696 about age 76.

64355107378      iii.  Dalmas I Comte De SEMUR (born about 991 in Semur-En-Brionnais, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France - died in 1032)

                  iv.  Herve I Seigneur De DONZY was born about 1005 in Semur-En-Brionnais, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France and died in 1055 in Donzy, Nievre, Bourgogne, France 2697 about age 50. Another name for Herve was Herve De SEMUR.


128710214757. Maud (Matilda\Mahaut) De CHALON,415,2693,2695 daughter of Lambert D' AUTUN Count Of Chalon and Countess Adelaide Of BURGUNDY, was born about 969 in Chalon-Sur-Saone, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France and died between 1016 and 1019 2695 about age 47.

General Notes: Maud/Matilda definitely married Geoffrey of Semur, but the well-respected German source ES, in one of its conflicting pedigrees, has her also marrying Henry, Duke of Burgundy, and having a daughter Aremburga, who was wife of Dalmas I of Semur. This is probably not true, and ES has been shown to be inconsistent and erroneous in giving the spouse(s) of Henry. The spouse of Henry was a widow of Adalbert I King of Italy, and there is still a lot of debate concerning who her father (and mother) were.

The following is excerpted from a post to SGM, 16 May 1997, by Jim Stevens, referring to an earlier post by Mat on 29 Apr 1997:

Matman <mat_man@HOTMAIL.COM> posted to
soc.genealogy.medieval on 29 Apr 1997:
Subject: Re: Untangling the Burgundy web

"For English readers, the Bouchard article (p261ff) is essential to understanding this confusion in ES. French historians etc have peddled various theories: the ES has noted all of them, hence the internal disagreement.

Some have favoured Leotald of Macon as the father of Gerberga, but Bouchard follows the more reliable ones (F.Lot, R.Poupardin etc) in seeing her as the daughter of Lambert. She lists 3 children of Lambert: Gerberga (m. 1) Adalbert (2) Henry; Matilda (m. Geoffrey), Hugo of Chalon. The sources clearly state that Matilda and Hugo were children of Lambert, but they don't mention the father of Gerberga.

The main argument for Gerberga being the daughter of Leotald is, I think, the fact that her great grandson Otto of Macon (not Otto-William) calls Leotald his _atavus_. The strict classical meaning of this is great-great-great-grandad, which would imply, that Gerberga was Leotald's grandaughter. However most who favour Leotald's parentage, have overlooked this inconvenient detail, and suggested that the term here just means distant ancestor.

The other evidence is the Life of Hugo of Chalon (d.1039) who says that his sister married the duke of Burgundy. This has been seen as Gerberga wife of Henry (d.1002). Those who favour Leotald as her father, say this sister was Matilda, who they say married Henry before she married Geoffrey of Semur. Thus if one rejects Lambert as the father of Gerberga, you have to invent a new wife for Duke Henry. I think ES III, 433-34 has these two marriages. Somewhere else in ES, it even gives this supposed marriage of Matilda and Henry a daughter, Aremburga, the wife of Dalmas I of Semur.

I havn't gone into all the various arguments, or evidence: its best to read Bouchard yourself, and decide whether you agree with her. Personally I prefer her no-nonsense approach, and the works of other notable historians (eg W.Kienast Die Herzogtitel in Frankreich & Deutschland, 1968) agree with her on the father of Gerberga being Lambert."

Maud married Henry Count De NEVERS Duke Of Burgundy 1601,2046,2693 in 1st Husband 1St Wife ? - Divorced ?.2693 Henry was born about 945 in Nevers, Nievre, Bourgogne, France and died in 1006 2046 about age 61. Another name for Henry was Henry I Duke Of BURGUNDY.

Maud next married Geoffrey II Seigneur De SEMUR 2482,2693,2694 in Only Husband ?.2693 Geoffrey was born about 961 in Semur-En-Brionnais, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France and died in 1018 about age 57.

128710214758. Henry Count De NEVERS Duke Of Burgundy,415,1601,1746,2046,2693 son of Count Of Paris Hugh Magnus Capet Of Neustria, Duke Of The FRANKS Count Of Paris and Princess Of The Germans Hedwige Of SAXONY, was born about 945 in Nevers, Nievre, Bourgogne, France and died in 1006 2046 about age 61. Another name for Henry was Henry I Duke Of BURGUNDY.

General Notes: At least one source has Henry's 1st? wife as the first husband of Maud/Matilda de Chalon, who later married Geoffrey of Semur. This marriage is disputed by nearly all other sources, but since nobody knows for sure, I am including Maud as Henry's first wife, and assuming a divorce of some sort.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1002. 2693

Henry married Maud (Matilda\Mahaut) De CHALON 2693,2695 in 1st Husband 1St Wife ? - Divorced ?.2693 Maud was born about 969 in Chalon-Sur-Saone, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France and died between 1016 and 1019 2695 about age 47.

Henry next married Gerberge, Comtesse De MÂCON 2693,2698 after 971 in 2ND Husband 2ND Wife ?.2693 Gerberge, was born in 944 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France 1447 and died on 11 December 991 1447 at age 47. Another name for Gerberge, was Gerberga.

The child from this marriage was:

64355107379        i.  Aremburge De NEVERS (born before 991 in Nevers, Nievre, Bourgogne, France)

Henry next married Concubine Mrs-Henri De BURGUNDY 1601 in Not Married. Mrs-Henri was born in <Bourgogne, Marneogne, France> and died in Y.

Henry next married Gerberge Countess Of BURGUNDY,1601 daughter of Count Letald I MACON and Countess Adelaide (Adelais) BURGUNDY, in 972. Gerberge was born in 952 in Bourgogne, Marneogne, France and died in 989 at age 37.

Henry next married Gersende De GASCOGNE 1601 in June 992. Gersende was born in <Bourgogne, Marneogne, France> and died in Y.

Henry next married Maud (Mathilda) De CHALONS 1601 in June 992 in , , , France. Maud was born in <Bourgogne, Marneogne, France> and died in Y.


128710214759. Gerberge, Comtesse De MÂCON,415,1444,2693,2698 daughter of Letalde (Lietaud) I Count Of MACON and Berta De TROYES, was born in 944 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France 1447 and died on 11 December 991 1447 at age 47. Another name for Gerberge, was Gerberga.

General Notes:
The following post to SGM, 16 May 1997, by Jim Stevens, indicates some of the debate and confusion among the sources as to the parents of Gerberga. I am sticking with Lietaud and Berta for a while, primarily because I have Dalmas as son of Geoffrey & Maud, which would make Gerberga being a sister of Maud highly unlikely. Leo van de Pas has Gerberga as daughter of Lietaud, but by his 1st wife Ermengarde de Chalon (I believe that Gerbergas was born well after 931, as her husband, according to Leo, was b. c936).

From: Jim Stevens (jstevens@IQUEST.NET)
Subject: Parents of Gerberga, wife of Adalbert of Italy
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 1997/05/16

This is culled from postings to GEN-MEDIEVAL.

Stuart's "Royalty For Commoners" (94:34) calls her the "heiress of Macon . . . dau. of Othon (says ES, II:59). NOTE: Moriarity, p.37, says parents of Gerberga were Lietaud I, Count of Macon, and Berta. Other sources say LAMBERT, COUNT OF CHALONS and AELIZ."

"Alan B. Wilson" <abwilson@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU> posted to soc.genealogy.medieval on 1 Dec 1996:
Subject: Re: Gerberga, wife of Adalbert (was re. Welfs)

"To further complicate matters, while both ES ii, 11 and ES ii, 59 list an Othon as father of Gerberga, the revised version of ES ii, 59 (which appears in iii(1)), and ES iii, 439 both list Letalde, Count of Macon as her father. This agrees with Moriarty and Winkhaus. However Joannis and de Saint-Jouan in "Les seize quartiers genealogiques des Capetiens", 469, lists Lambert de Chalon as father of Gerberga.

If one accepts Letalde as father, there is little consensus as to Gerberga's mother. Letalde m. (1) Ermengarde of Chalon; (2) Berta, possibly dau. of Garnier\Warinus, Count of Troyes; and (3) Richilde, dau. of Richard of Autun. Winkhaus lists Ermengarde as Gerberga's mother; Moriarty lists Berta; and ES (in vol. iii) lists either Berta or Richilde.

This probably doesn't help at all."

Later, on 28 Apr 1997, he added another posting:
Subject: Re: Untangling the Burgundy web

"Gerberga who m. Adalbert, King of Italy, is more ambiguous. ES iii, 439 lists her as daughter of Letalde, Count of Macon. This agrees with Moriarty and Winkhaus. However Joannis and de Saint-Jouan in "Les seize quartiers genealogiques des Capetians," 469, lists Lambert of Chalon as father of Gerberga.

To totally confuse the matter, ES ii, 59 [rev. in iii(1)] lists as the wife of Adalbert, Gerberga, known as daughter of Leotald of Macon and sister of Hugo of Chalon, Bishop of Auxerre.

To really liven matters up, ES ii, 11 tells us that Henry, Count of Nevers and Duke of Lower Burgundy m. Gerberga of Macon, widow of Adalbert, King of Italy, dau. of Othon.

I have a note that there is a discussion of the evidence for and the debate over the identity of the parents of Gerberge in Constance Brittain Bouchard, "Sword, Mitre and Cloister: Nobility and the Church in Burgundy, 980-1198" (Ithaca, NY: Cornell, 1987)."

Matman <mat_man@HOTMAIL.COM> posted to
soc.genealogy.medieval on 29 Apr 1997:
Subject: Re: Untangling the Burgundy web

"For English readers, the Bouchard article (p261ff) is essential to understanding this confusion in ES. French historians etc have peddled various theories: the ES has noted all of them, hence the internal disagreement.

Some have favoured Leotald of Macon as the father of Gerberga, but Bouchard follows the more reliable ones (F.Lot, R.Poupardin etc) in seeing her as the daughter of Lambert. She lists 3 children of Lambert: Gerberga (m. 1) Adalbert (2) Henry; Matilda (m. Geoffrey), Hugo of Chalon. The sources clearly state that Matilda and Hugo were children of Lambert, but they don't mention the father of Gerberga.

The main argument for Gerberga being the daughter of Leotald is, I think, the fact that her great grandson Otto of Macon (not Otto-William) calls Leotald his _atavus_. The strict classical meaning of this is great-great-great-grandad, which would imply, that Gerberga was Leotald's grandaughter. However most who favour Leotald's parentage, have overlooked this inconvenient detail, and suggested that the term here just means distant ancestor.

The other evidence is the Life of Hugo of Chalon (d.1039) who says that his sister married the duke of Burgundy. This has been seen as Gerberga wife of Henry (d.1002). Those who favour Leotald as her father, say this sister was Matilda, who they say married Henry before she married Geoffrey of Semur. Thus if one rejects Lambert as the father of Gerberga, you have to invent a new wife for Duke Henry. I think ES III, 433-34 has these two marriages. Somewhere else in ES, it even gives this supposed marriage of Matilda and Henry a daughter, Aremburga, the wife of Dalmas I of Semur.

I havn't gone into all the various arguments, or evidence: its best to read Bouchard yourself, and decide whether you agree with her. Personally I prefer her no-nonsense approach, and the works of other notable historians (eg W.Kienast Die Herzogtitel in Frankreich & Deutschland, 1968) agree with her on the father of Gerberga being Lambert."

Noted events in her life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, Abt 990. 2698

Gerberge, married Adalbert D'ivrée Ii, King Of LOMBARDY 1601,2693,2699 in 1st Husband.2693 Adalbert was born about 936 in Ivrea, Piedmont, Italy 2699 and died on 30 April 971 in Autun, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France 1447 about age 35. Other names for Adalbert were Aubert, ITALY, Adalbert I Margrave Of IVREA King Of Italy, and Adalbert Of IVREA.

Children from this marriage were:

64355107384        i.  Otto Guillaume Count Of BURGUNDY (born about 955 in Dijon, Cote D'or, Bourgogne, France - died on 21 September 1026 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France)

                  ii.  Gisèle De TOSCANE.

Gerberge, next married Henry Count De NEVERS Duke Of Burgundy 1601,2046,2693 after 971 in 2ND Husband 2ND Wife ?.2693 Henry was born about 945 in Nevers, Nievre, Bourgogne, France and died in 1006 2046 about age 61. Another name for Henry was Henry I Duke Of BURGUNDY.

128710214760. Borrell II Of Barcelona Count Of Barcelona, son of Sunyer Of Barcelona Count Of Barcelona and Adelaide De TOULOUSE, died in 992.

Borrell married Luitgarde De TOULOUSE. Luitgarde died from 977 to 1001.

Children from this marriage were:

64355107380        i.  Raymond Borrell III Barcelona BERENGAR Count Of Barcelona (born about. 972 in Barcelona, Spain - died on 25 February 1017)

                  ii.  Ermengol.


128710214761. Luitgarde De TOULOUSE, daughter of Duke Raymond III Pons Of TOULOUSE Count Of Toulouse and Countess Garsinde TOULOUSE, died from 977 to 1001.

Luitgarde married Borrell II Of Barcelona Count Of Barcelona. Borrell died in 992.

128710214762. Roger I De COMMINGES,415 son of Arnaud I Count Of COMMINGES & Carcassonne and Arsinde Countess Of CARCASSONNE, was born in 935 in Carcassonne, Aude, France and died in 1019 at age 84.

Roger married Adelaide De MELGUEIL 2700 in 970. Adelaide was born about 953 in Melgueil Near Montpellier, Herault, Languedoc, France and died in April 1011 about age 58.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Arsinde De CARCASSONNE was born about 970 in Carcassonne, Aude, Languedoc, France.

64355107381       ii.  Ermensinde Of CARCASSONNE (born in 975 in Carcassonne, Aude, Languedoc, France - died on 1 March 1057-1058)

                 iii.  Raymond I Count Of CARCASSONNE was born about 971 in Carcassonne, Aude, Languedoc, France.

64355107390       iv.  Bernard-Rodger Seigneur De FOIX Count Bigorre (born about 974 in Carcassonne, Aude, Languedoc, France - died on 22 August 1036 in Foix, Ariege, Midi-Pyreneees, France)


128710214763. Adelaide De MELGUEIL,415,2700 daughter of Bernard II Comte De MELGUEIL & Substantion and Senegunde, was born about 953 in Melgueil Near Montpellier, Herault, Languedoc, France and died in April 1011 about age 58.

Adelaide married Roger I De COMMINGES in 970. Roger was born in 935 in Carcassonne, Aude, France and died in 1019 at age 84.

128710214768. Adalbert D'ivrée Ii, King Of LOMBARDY,415,1444,1601,1746,2693,2699 son of Berengarius II King Of ITALY Marquis Of Ivrea and Willa D'arles Of TUSCANY, was born about 936 in Ivrea, Piedmont, Italy 2699 and died on 30 April 971 in Autun, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France 1447 about age 35. Other names for Adalbert were Aubert, ITALY, Adalbert I Margrave Of IVREA King Of Italy, and Adalbert Of IVREA.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, Between 972 and 975. 2699

• Ruled: 952-061.

Adalbert married Gerberge, Comtesse De MÂCON 2693,2698 in 1st Husband.2693 Gerberge, was born in 944 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France 1447 and died on 11 December 991 1447 at age 47. Another name for Gerberge, was Gerberga.

Adalbert next married Gerberge Countess Of BURGUNDY,1601 daughter of Count Letald I MACON and Countess Adelaide (Adelais) BURGUNDY, in <Lombard, Lombardy, Italy>. Gerberge was born in 952 in Bourgogne, Marneogne, France and died in 989 at age 37.


128710214769. Gerberge, Comtesse De MÂCON,415,1444,2693,2698 daughter of Letalde (Lietaud) I Count Of MACON and Berta De TROYES, was born in 944 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France 1447 and died on 11 December 991 1447 at age 47. Another name for Gerberge, was Gerberga.

General Notes:
The following post to SGM, 16 May 1997, by Jim Stevens, indicates some of the debate and confusion among the sources as to the parents of Gerberga. I am sticking with Lietaud and Berta for a while, primarily because I have Dalmas as son of Geoffrey & Maud, which would make Gerberga being a sister of Maud highly unlikely. Leo van de Pas has Gerberga as daughter of Lietaud, but by his 1st wife Ermengarde de Chalon (I believe that Gerbergas was born well after 931, as her husband, according to Leo, was b. c936).

From: Jim Stevens (jstevens@IQUEST.NET)
Subject: Parents of Gerberga, wife of Adalbert of Italy
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 1997/05/16

This is culled from postings to GEN-MEDIEVAL.

Stuart's "Royalty For Commoners" (94:34) calls her the "heiress of Macon . . . dau. of Othon (says ES, II:59). NOTE: Moriarity, p.37, says parents of Gerberga were Lietaud I, Count of Macon, and Berta. Other sources say LAMBERT, COUNT OF CHALONS and AELIZ."

"Alan B. Wilson" <abwilson@UCLINK2.BERKELEY.EDU> posted to soc.genealogy.medieval on 1 Dec 1996:
Subject: Re: Gerberga, wife of Adalbert (was re. Welfs)

"To further complicate matters, while both ES ii, 11 and ES ii, 59 list an Othon as father of Gerberga, the revised version of ES ii, 59 (which appears in iii(1)), and ES iii, 439 both list Letalde, Count of Macon as her father. This agrees with Moriarty and Winkhaus. However Joannis and de Saint-Jouan in "Les seize quartiers genealogiques des Capetiens", 469, lists Lambert de Chalon as father of Gerberga.

If one accepts Letalde as father, there is little consensus as to Gerberga's mother. Letalde m. (1) Ermengarde of Chalon; (2) Berta, possibly dau. of Garnier\Warinus, Count of Troyes; and (3) Richilde, dau. of Richard of Autun. Winkhaus lists Ermengarde as Gerberga's mother; Moriarty lists Berta; and ES (in vol. iii) lists either Berta or Richilde.

This probably doesn't help at all."

Later, on 28 Apr 1997, he added another posting:
Subject: Re: Untangling the Burgundy web

"Gerberga who m. Adalbert, King of Italy, is more ambiguous. ES iii, 439 lists her as daughter of Letalde, Count of Macon. This agrees with Moriarty and Winkhaus. However Joannis and de Saint-Jouan in "Les seize quartiers genealogiques des Capetians," 469, lists Lambert of Chalon as father of Gerberga.

To totally confuse the matter, ES ii, 59 [rev. in iii(1)] lists as the wife of Adalbert, Gerberga, known as daughter of Leotald of Macon and sister of Hugo of Chalon, Bishop of Auxerre.

To really liven matters up, ES ii, 11 tells us that Henry, Count of Nevers and Duke of Lower Burgundy m. Gerberga of Macon, widow of Adalbert, King of Italy, dau. of Othon.

I have a note that there is a discussion of the evidence for and the debate over the identity of the parents of Gerberge in Constance Brittain Bouchard, "Sword, Mitre and Cloister: Nobility and the Church in Burgundy, 980-1198" (Ithaca, NY: Cornell, 1987)."

Matman <mat_man@HOTMAIL.COM> posted to
soc.genealogy.medieval on 29 Apr 1997:
Subject: Re: Untangling the Burgundy web

"For English readers, the Bouchard article (p261ff) is essential to understanding this confusion in ES. French historians etc have peddled various theories: the ES has noted all of them, hence the internal disagreement.

Some have favoured Leotald of Macon as the father of Gerberga, but Bouchard follows the more reliable ones (F.Lot, R.Poupardin etc) in seeing her as the daughter of Lambert. She lists 3 children of Lambert: Gerberga (m. 1) Adalbert (2) Henry; Matilda (m. Geoffrey), Hugo of Chalon. The sources clearly state that Matilda and Hugo were children of Lambert, but they don't mention the father of Gerberga.

The main argument for Gerberga being the daughter of Leotald is, I think, the fact that her great grandson Otto of Macon (not Otto-William) calls Leotald his _atavus_. The strict classical meaning of this is great-great-great-grandad, which would imply, that Gerberga was Leotald's grandaughter. However most who favour Leotald's parentage, have overlooked this inconvenient detail, and suggested that the term here just means distant ancestor.

The other evidence is the Life of Hugo of Chalon (d.1039) who says that his sister married the duke of Burgundy. This has been seen as Gerberga wife of Henry (d.1002). Those who favour Leotald as her father, say this sister was Matilda, who they say married Henry before she married Geoffrey of Semur. Thus if one rejects Lambert as the father of Gerberga, you have to invent a new wife for Duke Henry. I think ES III, 433-34 has these two marriages. Somewhere else in ES, it even gives this supposed marriage of Matilda and Henry a daughter, Aremburga, the wife of Dalmas I of Semur.

I havn't gone into all the various arguments, or evidence: its best to read Bouchard yourself, and decide whether you agree with her. Personally I prefer her no-nonsense approach, and the works of other notable historians (eg W.Kienast Die Herzogtitel in Frankreich & Deutschland, 1968) agree with her on the father of Gerberga being Lambert."

Noted events in her life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, Abt 990. 2698

Gerberge, married Adalbert D'ivrée Ii, King Of LOMBARDY 1601,2693,2699 in 1st Husband.2693 Adalbert was born about 936 in Ivrea, Piedmont, Italy 2699 and died on 30 April 971 in Autun, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France 1447 about age 35. Other names for Adalbert were Aubert, ITALY, Adalbert I Margrave Of IVREA King Of Italy, and Adalbert Of IVREA.

Gerberge, next married Henry Count De NEVERS Duke Of Burgundy,1601,2046,2693 son of Count Of Paris Hugh Magnus Capet Of Neustria, Duke Of The FRANKS Count Of Paris and Princess Of The Germans Hedwige Of SAXONY, after 971 in 2ND Husband 2ND Wife ?.2693 Henry was born about 945 in Nevers, Nievre, Bourgogne, France and died in 1006 2046 about age 61. Another name for Henry was Henry I Duke Of BURGUNDY.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1002. 2693

128710214770. Renaud I Comte De ROUCY & Rheims,415,1444,1447,1784,2701,2702,2703,2704 son of Renaud De Roucy Comte De SOISSONS and Unknown, was born about 925 in Roucy, Marne, Champagne, France,2705 died on 10 May 967 in Reims, Marne, Champagne, France 1784,2703,2704,2705,2706 about age 42, and was buried in Abbey Of St. Remi, Reims, France. Other names for Renaud were Ragenolde, Renaud, Renaud I (Ragnvald) Comte De Roucy & RHEIMS, Ragnvald Of ROUCY, Renaud, and Count De ROUCY.

General Notes:
The ancestry of Renaud is questionable. I give below (1) AR, which suggests Herbert II de Vermandois. (2) Peter Stewart, who rejects AR, and finds a claim of "Ragenold the Dane" as father. (3) Christian Settipani (who I am following) who rejects the Dane in favor of an Anjou connection.

Alberade of Lorraine, m. Renaud, d. 15 Mar 973, Count of Rheims and Roucy. (He is called the 8th son of Herbert II, Count of Vermandois, but is not so given by Pere Anselme; though Anselme does give Hugh, Archbishop of Rheims, as a son of Herbert II). [Ancestral Roots line 151-19]

Note: Alan Wilson names Renaud's father as Rognvald (a Dane) of Burgundy. Leo van de Pas agrees with Alan, giving Ragenold "the Viking" a birth year of c900, which would not agree with Settipani's identification of him nor his ancestry, so I am omitting it.

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The following post to SGM, 30 Nov 2000, by Peter Stewart, refutes Herbert de Vermandois as father of Renaud, and, later, suggests a Danish marauder as father:

From: Stewart, Peter (Peter.Stewart@crsrehab.gov.au)
Subject: RE: Renaud de Roucy
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2000-11-30 19:44:31 PST

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From: GRHaleJr@cs.com [mailto:GRHaleJr@cs.com]
Sent: Friday, 1 December 2000 9:04
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Renaud de Roucy


In researching Renaud de Roucy b. abt 0931, Roucy(or Reims), France; d. 15 March 0973 I have encountered two different parentages as follows:

Ragnvald "the Viking" of Denmark b. abt 0885; d. abt 0925 (I know it appears that the son was born 6 years after the death of the father; but this is from the same source.)

Herbert II de Vermandois b. abt 0884, Vermandois; d. 23 February 0943.

There is also a Hubert of Burgundy which is I would bet is Herbert II, although his father is Hubert/Herbert also.

Does anyone have the correct data on this person.

Of course I hope the correct parentage is Herbert II since his lineage carries me back to Charlemagne.


This one is not going to fall your preferred way: for the children of Heribert II (Renaud not among them) see Christian Settipani, *La préhistoire des Capétiens 481 - 987* (Villeneuve d'Ascq, 1993), pp 223-230 and Michel Bur, *La formation du comté de Champagne v. 950 - v. 1150*, Mémoires des Annales de l'Est 54 (Nancy, 1977), appendix I, pp 507-513. For the origins of Renaud, count of Roucy see the latter, pp 134-139 & table 13, and the sources cited.

According to ES III, 675A (which does not identify his father, & cites Bur along with sources he also used) your Renaud occurs as early as 923, built the château at Roucy in 948, and died on 10 May 967 - where did you find the date 15 March 973? Bur suggests he was son of another Renaud, and either a half-brother of count Waldricus (Gaudry), whose son Guy was count of Soissons from 974 to 995, or related to the counts of Anjou.

Perhaps Todd Farmerie will comment on whether there is any evidence that the elder Renaud came from Denmark.

Peter Stewart

- - - later post on the next day (1 Dec 2000) - - -

The claim that the elder Renaud was a Dane depends on identifying him with the Viking raider Ragenold, who according to the annalist Flodoard was invading France at about the same time as Rollo of Normandy. I'm not sure what the most recent opinions are regarding this possible identification.

Stewart Baldwin

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The following post to SGM, 2 Dec 2000, by Christian Settipani (a noted French genealogist) suggests an earlier Renaud, with an Anjou connection, as father of Renaud:

From: Settipani (inapit@club-internet.fr)
Subject: Re : Renaud de Roucy
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2000-12-02 06:58:28 PST

I have examined lenghtly the family of this person in my paper : 'Les comtes d'Anjou et leurs alliances', in Family Trees and the Roots of Politics, ed. K.S.B. Keats-Rohan, Woodbridge, 1997, p. 211-267, at p. 222-225. I think that the equivalence Renaud of Roucy / Ragenold the Vikink is a false one and that there is no link between the two. Renaud de Roucy is probably the son of another Renaud, named from 924 to 941 in Anjou, and perhaps count of Soissons. This first Renaud could be a nephew of Fulk I of Anjou (+ 942).

CS

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 15 March 972-73. 2702

Renaud married Albérade De LORRAINE 2702,2707 in 945.2704 Albérade was born about 930 in Lorraine, France 2705,2707 and died from 15 March 972 to 973 2705 about age 42. Other names for Albérade were Alberade, Albrada, and Alérade.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Giselbert Comte De ROUCY & Rheims was born about 951 in Roucy, Aisne, Picardy, France,2708,2709 died after 19 April 991 in Reims, Marne, Champagne, France 1784,2706,2708,2709, and was buried in 990 in Saint-Remi Of Rheims.2706,2709 Other names for Giselbert were Giselbert Comte De Roucy & RHEIMS, ROUCI, Gilbert, and Count I De ROUCY.

64355107385       ii.  Ermentrude Of Roucy, Countess Of REIMS (born in 958 in Reims, Marne, Champagne, France - died on 5 October 1003)

                 iii.  Achard De ROUCY was born before 886 and died about 950.

                  iv.  Gerberge De ROUCY was born about 960 in Reims, Marne, Champagne, France.


128710214771. Albérade De LORRAINE,415,1444,1447,2702,2707 daughter of Giselbert I Duke Of LORRAINE Lay Abbot Of Echternach and Gerberga Of SAXONY Abbess Of Notre Dame, was born about 930 in Lorraine, France 2705,2707 and died from 15 March 972 to 973 2705 about age 42. Other names for Albérade were Alberade, Albrada, and Alérade.

General Notes:
Alberade of Lorraine [dau. of Giselbert Duke of Lorraine & Gerberga of Saxony], m. Renaud, d. 15 Mar 973, Count of Rheims and Roucy. (He is called the 8th son of Herbert II, Count of Vermandois, but is not so given by Pere Anselme; though Anselme does give Hugh, Archbishop of Rheims, as a son of Herbert II). [Ancestral Roots line 151-19]

Noted events in her life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 10 May 967. 1784

Albérade married Renaud I Comte De ROUCY & Rheims 1784,2702,2703,2704 in 945.2704 Renaud was born about 925 in Roucy, Marne, Champagne, France,2705 died on 10 May 967 in Reims, Marne, Champagne, France 1784,2703,2704,2705,2706 about age 42, and was buried in Abbey Of St. Remi, Reims, France. Other names for Renaud were Ragenolde, Renaud, Renaud I (Ragnvald) Comte De Roucy & RHEIMS, Ragnvald Of ROUCY, Renaud, and Count De ROUCY.

128710214772. Richard I "The Fearless" 3Rd Duke Of NORMANDY Count Of Rouen,415,1049,1114,1601,1746,2507 son of William I "Longsword" Duke Of NORMANDY and Sprota (Sporta) De SENLIS, was born on 28 August 933 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France,1114,2045 died on 20 November 996 in Fecamp, Seine-Inferieure, France 1114,2045 at age 63, and was buried in Fecamp, Seine-Inferieure, France. Another name for Richard was Richard SANS PEUR.

General Notes:
Richard I, byname RICHARD "The FEARLESS", French RICHARD SANS PEUR (b. c. 932--d. 996), duke of Normandy (942-996), son of William I Longsword.

Louis IV of France took the boy-duke into his protective custody, apparently intent upon reuniting Normandy to the crown's domains; but in 945 Louis was captured by the Normans, and Richard was returned to his people. Richard withstood further Carolingian attempts to subdue his duchy and, in 987, was instrumental in securing the French crown for his brother-in-law, the Robertian Hugh Capet. [Encyclopedia Britannica CD '97]

942-996: Duke of Normandy [Ref: Monarchs, Rulers, Dynasties and Kingdoms of the World by R.F. Tapsell 1983 p202]

Title of Duke, again, was not likely generally used by Richard I or his son Richard II, whose official documents style themselves "count of Rouen." Later eleventh century documents use the term Duke - and adopted for historical record. [Ref: William The Conqueror, The Norman Impact Upon England by David C. Douglas 1964]

'Richard I and his new settler in-laws of the 960's were the winners who lasted. In becoming so they learned (and taught) two principles of success that marked them off from the Franks. They learned the value of a strong centralizing chieftain who could at least freeze the status quo once his own local chieftains had taken what they wanted. The more successful he was, the more chiefs attached themselves to him for just this: with his warranty, backed by his chieftains, their defeated enemies could not recover by violence what had been taken from them by violence. Thus were the Norman dukes 'settlers of quarrels.' Fearlessness was the necessary quality in such a coordinating chieftain, and Richard I, who has no encomiast of his deeds, has at least this sobriquet, 'the Fearless' Those who were great fighters and the ruthlessly, selectively violent, were the great centralizers among the threatened and rapacious Norse.' [Ref: Predatory Kinship and the Creation of Norman Power, 840-1066 by Eleanor Searle, University of California Press, 1988 -Charlotte's Web Geneology http://www.charweb.org/gen/rjones/d0042/g0000019.htm#I238]

"RICHARD I, "the Fearless", Duke of Normandy, b. Fecamp ca. 933, named father's h. 29 May 942, d. 20 Nov. 996; m. (1) (Danish wife) Gunnor, d. 1027 or 1031, dau. of the forester of Arques, but betrothed ca. 945 & event. m. (2) 960 to Emma, d. ca. 968, dau. Hugh Capet ..., Count of Paurs. After Emma's death, m. (Christian marriage) Gunnor to legit. their children. ... By Gunnor, Richard had [RICHARD II]." [Ref: Weis AR7:110-111]

"When in 942 William was murdered at the instigation of Count Arnulf of Flanders, his son Richard, still a minor, succeeded him. Louis IV and Hugh the Great each tried to seize Normandy, and Louis took charge of Richard. He then ensconced himself at Rouen and Hugh took Bayeux, which still had a Scandinavian leader called Sictric. Richard escaped from his custody at Laon, retook Rouen, and called on another Viking leader, Harald of the Bassin, for help. The Normans under Richard were able to re-establish their autonomy and from 947 Richard governed in relative peace. In 965 he swore allegiance to the Carolingian king Lothar at Gisors. Richard's official marriage was to Emma, daughter of Hugh the Great; they had no children, but by his common-law wife Gunnor, a Dane, he had many. Richard II, son of Gunnor and Richard I, succeeded his father in 996, another son Robert was archbishop of Rouen from 989 to 1037 and Emma their daughter became queen of England on her marriage to Aethelred, a position she maintained after his death in 1016 by marrying Cnot (sic: Cnut/Knut...Curt). Gunnor's nephews and other relatives furthermore formed the core of the new aristocracy which developed in the course of the eleventh century. Unfortunately we know little about the internal organization and history of Normandy until the reign of Richard II, and this falls outside our period." [Ref: The Frankish Kingdoms under the Carolingians 751-987, by Rosamond McKitterick, London & NY (Longman) 1983 p238-239]

During the minority of his (William Long-Sword) successor, Duke Richard, King Louis IV -- who was making an expedition into Normandy -- was captured by the inhabitants of Rouen and handed over to Hugh the Great. From this time onwards the dukes of Normandy began to enter into relations with the dukes of France; and in 958 Duke Richard married Hugh the Great's daughter. He died in 996. (Succeeded by Richard II.) [Ref: Gordon Fisher <gfisher@SHENTEL.NET> message to soc.genealogy.medieval 6 Nov 1996]

Richard married Duchess Of Crepon & Norma Gunnora (Gunhilda) CREPON 1372,1375,1601,1666,1704,2045,2234,2508,2509 before 959 in Danish Wife - Christian Marriage After 968.2045 Gunnora was born in 936 in Arque, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 1375 and died in 1031 in France 1375,1704,2045 at age 95.

Richard next married Emma CAPET,2045 daughter of Count Of Paris Hugh Magnus Capet Of Neustria, Duke Of The FRANKS Count Of Paris and Princess Of The Germans Hedwige Of SAXONY, in 960.2045 Emma was born about 944 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France and died about 968 2045 about age 24.

Richard next married CONCUBINE(S) in No Marriage. CONCUBINE(S) was born in 935.

Richard next married Emma Princess Of FRANCE,1601,2045 daughter of Count Of Paris Hugh Magnus Capet Of Neustria, Duke Of The FRANKS Count Of Paris and Princess Of The Germans Hedwige Of SAXONY, in 956 in , , , France.2045 Emma was born in 943 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France and died from 19 March 967 to 968 2045 at age 24.

Richard next married Papia.

128710214773. Duchess Of Crepon & Norma Gunnora (Gunhilda) CREPON,415,1372,1375,1601,1666,1704,1746,2045,2234,2508,2509 daughter of Herbastus Forester Of ARQUE and Gunnhild OLAFSDOTTIR Princess Of Sweden, was born in 936 in Arque, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 1375 and died in 1031 in France 1375,1704,2045 at age 95.

General Notes:
Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann@yahoo.com, in a post-em, wrote:

Apparently she was not "de Crepon" & her parentage is unknown:

The name of the father of Gunnor is unknown. Herbastus is derived from the name of her brother Herfast/Arfastus, but is unsupported. [Ref: Todd A Farmerie <taf2@po.cwru.edu> message to Gen-Medieval 6 Nov 1996]

The greater part of our information about Gunnor and her relations is derived from those additions to the History of William of Jumieges for which Robert de Rotigny is responsible. It is Robert who preserved the story of how Richard I of Normandy became enamoured of the beautiful Senfrie, wife of one of his foresters, and how Senfrie contrived to substitute her sister Gunnor for herself, to the Duke's ultimate satisfaction. [Ref The Sisters and Nieces of Gunnor, Duchess of Normandy by G.H. White in the Genealogist, New Series 1921 v37 p57]

Parentage of Gunnor and her siblings is unknown. While some sources call her father Herfastus, this was in fact the name of her brother. She has also been claimed as a daughter of the Danish royal family, but there is no evidence for this, and the context of her coming to attention of Richard I and the family's subsequent rise to power militates against her being a royal daughter. Douglas argued, based on the donations of brother Arfast to the monastery of St. Pere, that the root of the family was in the Cotetin region of Normandy, but van Houts has suggested that the Cotetin land was granted to Arfast, rather than inherited by him. Thus we are left with the more ambiguous statement of Torigny and others that she was a member of a Norman family of Danish origins. [Ref: Todd A Farmerie <taf2@po.cwru.edu> message to Gen-Medieval 5 Jan 1997]

Gunnora ... was not "de Crepon", nor was she daughter of Herbastus de Crepon of Denmark - her brother Herfastus/Arfast appears to have received Crepon only after Gunnora took up with Richard I, and thus the family was not originally from there. Likewise, while she is said to be of a noble family of Danish ancestry, it is not stated that her father was from Denmark (the family probably arrived with Rollo, in the generation of her (unknown) grandfather. [Ref: Todd A Farmerie <taf2@po.cwru.edu> message to Gen-Medieval 28 Jul 2000]

Research note 1: Was her father Herfast de CREPON or King Haraldblaafand of DENMARK? There is a lack of consensus on this. -Charlotte's Web Geneology http://www.charweb.org/gen/rjones/d0042/g0000020.htm#I239

Research note 2: father: Harald I Blaatand, Bluetooth, King of Denmark [Ref: McBride2 (possibly citing Wurts)]

My notes on Gunnora:
This is the same Gunnora known as Gunnora of Crepon, but both are of little value. Gunnora was NOT of Denmark. Some inventive genealogist somewhere along the line decided to make her daughter of Harald Bluetooth, but there is no basis for this, and what we know of her indicates it is not really a possibility worthy of consideration. Her nephew later was called "of Crepon" but he likely gained his posessions through Gunnora's marriage to the Duke, rather than this representing the original home of the clan.

What can be said of Gunnora's parents? Nothing She was not daughter of Harfast, as (too) often stated. Her family was likely of the minor Norman nobility, since her oldest sister was married to a forester at the time Richard first bumped into the girls. That's it.

Richard I of Normandy first bedded, and later married Gunnora, whose ancestry is entirely unknown. She is sometimes said to be daughter of a King of Denmark, but this is incorrect. [taf]

There are several things going on here. First of all, the father of Gunnora and siblings is not known. Attempts to name him Herbastus probably originated in confusion with her brother. Second, Gunnora had three sisters, Senfria/Senfreda, Wevia, and (Avelina). The first married an otherwise unknown forester. The latter two are confused by our two sources, one claiming that it was Wevia who married Osbern, and the other that Wevia married Turold of Pont Audemer, and by deduction, (Avelina) married Osbern. We know that Osbern married one of them, and a recent analysis suggests that it was Wevia for nomenclatural reasons. (Specifically, Turold and wife had a granddaughter named Duvelina, and it is hyposthesized that she was named for her grandmother, and that Duvelina is the authentic name of the sister, rather than Avelina. Finally, in which generation was Osbern's. This is unambiguous. She was sister of Gunnora and the others. There is no source before recent times that claims otherwise. There are two probable origins for the error that she was niece of Gunnora. First, due to the error in naming her father Herfastus, someone aware that this was the name of Gunnora's brother assumed then that Avelina's father was Gunnora's brother (the name of Gunnora's father being unknown, and probably unknowable). The second possibility is a confusion of uncle and nephew. Harfastus/Arfast had a son Osbern of Crepon, and perhaps someone confused this man with Osbern of Bolbec. Still, we know for certain that Osbern of Bolbec married a sister of Gunnora. [Ref: Dave Utzinger <UTZ@aol.com> message to Gen-Medieval 29 Jul 2000]

Gunnora married Richard I "The Fearless" 3Rd Duke Of NORMANDY Count Of Rouen 1049,1114,1601,2507 before 959 in Danish Wife - Christian Marriage After 968.2045 Richard was born on 28 August 933 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France,1114,2045 died on 20 November 996 in Fecamp, Seine-Inferieure, France 1114,2045 at age 63, and was buried in Fecamp, Seine-Inferieure, France. Another name for Richard was Richard SANS PEUR.

Gunnora next married Hugh Of COUSTANCE Bishop Of Counstance.

The child from this marriage was:

                   i.  Roger De MORTIMER died before 1090.


128710214774. Conan I Duke Of BRITTANY Comte De Rennes,415,1601,1746,2505 son of Judicael (Juhel) II Berenger Comte De RENNES and Gerberge, was born about 950 in Rennes, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France and died on 29 June 992 in Killed 2505 about age 42. Another name for Conan was Conan I Of BRETAGNE.

Conan married Duchess Of Bretagne Ermengarde D' ANJOU 1601,2505 in 980 in 2ND Wife 2069.,2506 Ermengarde was born about 963 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died on 27 June 992 about age 29.

128710214775. Duchess Of Bretagne Ermengarde D' ANJOU,415,1601,1746,2505 daughter of Geoffrey I Grisegnelle Comte D' ANJOU and Countess Anjou Adelaide De VERMANDOIS, was born about 963 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died on 27 June 992 about age 29.

Ermengarde married Conan I Duke Of BRITTANY Comte De Rennes 1601,2505 in 980 in 2ND Wife 2069.,2506 Conan was born about 950 in Rennes, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France and died on 29 June 992 in Killed 2505 about age 42. Another name for Conan was Conan I Of BRETAGNE.

128710214776. Adalbert Von Hohenburg Count Of METZ,415 son of Richard Count Von METZ and Unknown, was born about 968 in Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France and died on 25 December 1033 about age 65.

Adalbert married Judith Of LUXEMBOURG, daughter of Siegfried Count Of LUXEMBOURG and Hedwig Countess Of LUXEMBOURG. Judith was born about 970 in Luxemburg.

Children from this marriage were:

64355107388        i.  Gerhard II Count Of METZ (born about 988 in Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France)

                  ii.  Ita Von METZ was born about 995 in Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France. Another name for Ita was Itha Von LOTHRINGEN.


128710214777. Judith Of LUXEMBOURG,415 daughter of Siegfried Count Of LUXEMBOURG and Hedwig Countess Of LUXEMBOURG, was born about 970 in Luxemburg.

Judith married Adalbert Von Hohenburg Count Of METZ, son of Richard Count Von METZ and Unknown. Adalbert was born about 968 in Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France and died on 25 December 1033 about age 65.

128710214778. Gerhard I Von Hohenburg Count Of ALSACE,415,1444,1601,1746,2710 son of Eberhard IV Von Hohenburg Count Of NORDGAU and Luitgarde (Bertha) Von METZ, was born about 945 in Equisheim, Alsace, France and died in 1024 about age 79.

Gerhard married Countess Of Lower Alsace Eva LUXEMBOURG,1601,2232,2400 daughter of Siegfried Count Of LUXEMBOURG and Hedwig Countess Of LUXEMBOURG. Eva was born about 967 in Of, , Luxembourg, Luxembourg.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Adelheide Of ALSACE was born in 972 in Remiremont, Vosges, France and died on 19 May 1040 at age 68. Another name for Adelheide was Adelheid Of LOWER ALSACE.

64355107389       ii.  Gisella Of ALSACE (born about 990 in Lorraine, France - died in 1045)

Gerhard next married Luitgarde. Luitgarde was born in 948 in Remiremont, Vosges, France.


128710214779. Countess Of Lower Alsace Eva LUXEMBOURG,415,1601,1746,2232,2400 daughter of Siegfried Count Of LUXEMBOURG and Hedwig Countess Of LUXEMBOURG, was born about 967 in Of, , Luxembourg, Luxembourg.

Eva married Gerhard I Von Hohenburg Count Of ALSACE,1601,2710 son of Eberhard IV Von Hohenburg Count Of NORDGAU and Luitgarde (Bertha) Von METZ. Gerhard was born about 945 in Equisheim, Alsace, France and died in 1024 about age 79.

128710214780. Roger I De COMMINGES,415 son of Arnaud I Count Of COMMINGES & Carcassonne and Arsinde Countess Of CARCASSONNE, was born in 935 in Carcassonne, Aude, France and died in 1019 at age 84.

Roger married Adelaide De MELGUEIL 2700 in 970. Adelaide was born about 953 in Melgueil Near Montpellier, Herault, Languedoc, France and died in April 1011 about age 58.

128710214781. Adelaide De MELGUEIL,415,2700 daughter of Bernard II Comte De MELGUEIL & Substantion and Senegunde, was born about 953 in Melgueil Near Montpellier, Herault, Languedoc, France and died in April 1011 about age 58.

Adelaide married Roger I De COMMINGES in 970. Roger was born in 935 in Carcassonne, Aude, France and died in 1019 at age 84.

128710214782. Arnald I Comte De BIGORRE,415,902 son of Raymund Comte De BIGORRE and Gersinde De ASTARAB, was born about 947 in Bigorre, Spain and died before 1000 902.

Arnald married.

The child from this marriage was:

64355107391        i.  Gersinde Countess De BIGORRE (born about 977 in Bigorre, Spain - died before 1033)


128710214800. Count Baudouin III Of FLANDERS,415,1601,1746,2711 son of Arnold I Count Of FLANDERS Count Of Flanders and Countess Of Flanders Alce De VERMANDOIS, was born in 933 in , Flanders, Nord, France and died on 1 November 962 in (Dvp) 2711 at age 29. Another name for Baudouin was Baldwin III Count Of FLANDERS.

General Notes:
The following information (and advice) is contained in a post-em from Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann@yahoo.com:

Hie thee to Stewart Baldwin's "Henry Project" for scholarly research on this person (& much more):

http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/henry.htm

Baldwin III ruled briefly as joint count with his father Arnulf I, but died before his father. Count Baldwin's name appears in lists of abbots of St. Bertin [Monumenta Germaniae Historica, Scriptores series, 13, 391, 607], and he would appear to have held that office for a short period before his death. [Ref: Henry Project]

Possible illegitimate son (status uncertain):
Ascelin (Azelin) or Albert de Tronchiennes, bishop of Paris, 1016-1018.
The History of the Bishops of Cambrai states that Ascelin (or Albert, as he is called in some sources) was an illegitimate son of count Baldwin of Flanders. [Gesta Episcoporum Cameracensium, MGH SS 7, 448]. If this is accurate, Baldwin III would be the only count of Flanders named Baldwin who would make a chronologically feasible father for Ascelin. [Léon Vanderkindere, La Formation Territoriale des Principautes Belge au Moyen Age (2 vols., 2nd ed., Brussels, 1902, reprinted 1981) 1, 293], lists Ascelin as a son of Baldwin, without citing a source, but neither Erich Brandenburg, Die Nachkommen Karls des Großen (Frankfurt, 1964) norKarl Ferdinand Werner, 'Die Nachkommen Karls des Großen bis um das Jahr 1000 (1.-8. Generation)', Karl der Große 4 (1967) mention him. His biography in Dictionnaire de Biographie Française 3, 1238-40 states that he was very probably the son of Arnulf I, and then contradicts this statement by calling Arnulf II a brother of Ascelin. The DBF article makes Ascelin a provost of the monastery of Saint-Marie in Tronchiennes as early as 951, which, if true, would chronologically rule out Ascelin's affiliation as a son of Baldwin III. However, this date is suspicious, as it is 65 years before Ascelin became bishop, and the next event mentioned in the biography is in 995. [Ref: Henry Project]

Falsely attributed daughters:
Bertha (existence doubtful), m. Aymar, count of Genève (existence doubtful). [P. Anselme, Histoire Genealogique et Chronologique de la Maison Royale de France, ... (1726), 2, 715. She has also been falsely attached to Baldwin's father Arnulf I.]

Jeanne, mother of Wolbodo, bishop of Liège. [Léon Vanderkindere, La Formation Territoriale des Principautes Belge au Moyen Age (2 vols., 2nd ed., Brussels, 1902, reprinted 1981), 1, 293, citing Meyer, Rerum Flandr., 67, with a remark that the attribution is in error] [Ref: Henry Project]

Regards,
Curt

Baudouin married Countess Of Flanders Mathilde Princess Of SAXONY 1601,1784,2124,2711,2712 before 960 in <, Flanders, Nord, France>.2712 Mathilde was born in 958 in Saxony, Germany and died on 25 May 1008 1784,2711,2712 at age 50. Another name for Mathilde was Mathilde (Maud) Billung Of SAXONY.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Arnold II Count Of FLANDERS was born in December 961 in , Flanders, Nord, France,2713 died on 30 March 987 in Chapel DE St Laurent, France 2475 at age 25, and was buried between 30 March 987 and 989.

64355107400       ii.  Jean De CONTEVILLE Vicomte De Comyn (born about 962 of Tonsburgh & Comyn, Normandy, France - died in Conteville, Eure, Normandy, France)

                 iii.  Countess Of Flanders BERTHA was born about 987 in <, , Flanders, France> and died in Y.


128710214801. Countess Of Flanders Mathilde Princess Of SAXONY,415,1601,1746,1784,2124,2711,2712 daughter of Hermann BILLUNG Duke Of Saxony and Hildegard Von WESTERBOURG, was born in 958 in Saxony, Germany and died on 25 May 1008 1784,2711,2712 at age 50. Another name for Mathilde was Mathilde (Maud) Billung Of SAXONY.

General Notes:
Turton has Maud as 2nd wife of Arnulph I of Flanders and mother of Arnulph II. AR & others have her as mother of Arnulph II, but as wife of Baldwin III (not Arunlph I) as her 1st husband. Baldwin III died before his father and was not Count, he must have been overlooked by Turton & other early researchers.

Mathilde married Count Baudouin III Of FLANDERS 1601,2711 before 960 in <, Flanders, Nord, France>.2712 Baudouin was born in 933 in , Flanders, Nord, France and died on 1 November 962 in (Dvp) 2711 at age 29. Another name for Baudouin was Baldwin III Count Of FLANDERS.

Mathilde next married Godefroy Le Vieux D'ardennes, Count Of VERDUN Marquis Antwerp 1601,1784,2124,2593,2714,2715 in 963 in <Of, , , Saxony>.2712 Godefroy was born about 932 in Ardennes, Champagne-Ardenne, France and died on 4 September 1005 in Verdun, Meuse, Lorraine, France 1784,2715 about age 73. Other names for Godefroy were Godefrey D' ARDENNES Comte De Verdun, Godfroi, Comte D' ARDENNES, Godfrey, and Count Of VERDUN AND ARDENNES.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Adelaide (Adelheid) De VERDUN was born about 958 in Verdun, Meuse, Lorraine, France and died after 991 2716. Another name for Adelaide was Adelaide (Adelheid) Of LORRAINE.

                  ii.  Ermentrude De VERDUN was born about 962 in Verdun, Meuse, Lorraine, France. Another name for Ermentrude was Ermentrude De ARDENNES.

                 iii.  Regilla De VERDUN was born about 963 in Verdun, Meuse, Lorraine, France.

                  iv.  Gerberge Of ANTWERP was born about 965 in Antwerp, Belgium.

128709821842       v.  Gozelon I Duke Of Lower LORRAINE Count Verdun (born about 967 in Verdun, Meuse, Lorraine, France - died on 19 April 1044)

                  vi.  Frederick Comte De VERDUN was born about 968 in Verdun, Meuse, Lorraine, France and died from 6 January 1021 to 1022 in St. Viton (St Vannes), Verdun, France (As A Monk) about age 53.

                 vii.  Herman (Hetzilo) Comte De VERDUN was born about 970 in Verdun, Meuse, Lorraine, France and died on 28 May 1029 2717 about age 59. Another name for Herman was Hermann Von ENHAM Graf In Eifelgau.

                viii.  Irmgard Countess Of VERDUN was born about 975 in <Of Hammerstein, (Now Czarne), Koszalin, Poland>.




128710214804. Thorkell "The Tall" Sprakaleg STYRJORNSSON,2718,2719,2720,2721,2722 son of Styr-Bjorn The Strong OLAFSSON Prince Of Sweden and Thyra HARALDSDOTTIR Queen Of Norway, was born about 960 in Uppsala, Sweden and died about 1023 in East Anglia, England about age 63. Another name for Thorkell was Thurkill.

General Notes:
Father of Harold II, King of Norway. [A History of the Vikings, pp. 400-1]

Led a formidable host of vikings to attack England during King Ethelred's time. [A History of the Vikings, p. 360]

Denmark, 1023. Cnut makes peace with Thorkell, the ruler of East Anglis whom he exiled in 1021; Thorkell will rule Denmark in Cnut's absence. [Chronicle of the Royal Family, p. 24]

The Danes cut swathes of destruction through the shires, burned Oxford, sacked Ipswich, and took heavy toll of the men of East Anglis and Cambridge at the pitched battle of Ringmere in 1010, where their old enemy Ulfkell Snilling stood firm, but the writched Thurcytel with his 'mare's head' broke rank and saved life without honor by flight. Among the invaders, fighting under Thorkel
the Tall's banner, was a thickset young Norwegian, Olaf Haraldsson. The bitter fruits of Ringmere were that the Danes overran East Anglia, ravaged Thetford and Cambridge, and fared out with sword and fire to the shires of Oxford, Buckingham, and Bedford. [A History ..., p. 366-7]

In 1012 Thorkell the Tall is said to have intervened to attempt to save the life of Archbishop Aelfeah who was being held for ransom. The archbishop would not allow the ransom to be paid, so at a drunken assembly at Greenwich they pelted him with bones and the heads of cattle until some more merciful ruffian crashed his axe against the old man's skull. Thorkell offered everything he
possessed or might hope to lay his hands on for Aelfeah's life -- 'save only my ship'. His failure to do so is thought to explain why on the dispersal of the Danish host later in the year he transferred his allegiance from Svein to King Ethelred, taking 45 ships and their crews with him.

It is likewise felt that Thorkell's defection is what brought Svein to England the following summer. Svein met no resistance until he reached London's ever-valiant citizens strengthened by Ethelred's bodyguard and the crews of Thorkell the Tall. Ethelred eventually submitted when he had no ally except Thorkell. [A History ..., pp. 368-9]

In 1023 Thorkell joined Knut. Since 1012 he had given faithful service to Ethelred. After Ethelred's punitive expedition against Lindsey in 1014 Thorkell and his mercenaries were given a payment of 21,000 pounds, and it is hard to account for his prompt abandonment of a restored patron. It has been suggested that he had a slain brother to avenge upon the English, but Thorkell's mainspring was self-interest; he could read the times, and he never read them better than when he sailed for Denmark with the 9 ships prepared to follow him and secured employment with Knut. [A History ..., p. 370]

Received East Anglia for his contribution to Knut's submission of England. From 1017 until 1020 he appears to have been the foremost of Knut's lay subjects; his name is on charters and he is named as accompanying the king on various important occasions. The most impressive witness to his standing during these first years is that he is the only magnate named in the statement of legal
policy issued by Knut after his return from Scandinavia in 1020. Then in 1021 he was outlawed; a reconciliation took place in Denmark in 1023 on terms which suggest that Thorkell was still a man of immense power: he was made Knut's regent in Denmark and the guardian of his son Hordaknut, but thereafter disappears from history. [A History of the Vikings, p. 372]

In 1018/19 when Knut's brother Harald, king of Denmark, died, Knut crossed the North Sea to make sure of the succession. Thorkell the Tall remained in England, and perhaps it was now that certain earlier ambitions were reborn in him and led to his banishment in 1021. There is a complete lack of direct evidence, but one reading of Thorkell's shifts and vicissitudes is that he never quite gave up hope of some gigantic prize of his own, in England or Scandinavia, as opportunity offered. In other words he was a craggy and cunning survival of the old-style viking who looked after himself well until kings came in and spoiled the business. One explanation of Knut's placing his fleet off the Isle of Wight in 1022 is that he was guarding the realm against some heavy stroke by the outlawed Thorkell. At the reconciliation in Denmark in 1023 Knut seems to have brought one of Thorkell's sons back to England with him before trusting him with Denmark and Hordaknut. That Thorkell died within a year or two would be no grief to his royal master. [A History ..., p. 373]

In 1016 Cnut took hold of England and divided the whole kingdom into four provinces and gave East Anglia to Thurkill as his viceroy. East Anglia afterwards continued to be governed by its earl, and was part of Harold's earldom and later of Gyrth's, but it was not until the 14th century that the
earldom of Suffolk was separated from that of Norfolk or East Anglia. [Victoria History of Suffolk, p. 164]

Jarl Thorkill Sprakalaeg was father of Githa who m. Godwin; son of Styr-Bjorn. [Ancestral Roots, p. 5]

Father of Countess Gytha who m. Godwin the great Earl of Wessex. [Devonshire Domesday Book (1086)<http://www.infokey.com/Devonshire/Devonshire.htm]

d.c. 1023, a Viking war leader active in England during the last years of Ethelred II the Unready's reign and the first years of Cnut's. His army caused extensive disruption in 1009-12. He went over to Ethelred's side in 1013, then back to Cnut's and ws subsequently made Earl of East Anglia and regent in England and Denmark. He was also briefly banished in 1021. [The Columbia Companion to British History, p. 742]

Son of Trybiorn Sprakalaeg and Thyra; m. Thyra Haraldsdottir and was father of Fulterd de Falaise who m. Doda of Falaise. [Gary Lewis <gnl1@ix.netcom.com, 21 dec 2001]

b.c. 936; son of Styrbjorn 'the Strong' Olafsson and Thyra Haraldsdatter; m. Sigrid; father of Ulf/Wolf Thorgilsson. [Carol <seejay51@home.com, 30 May 1998]

Thorkell married Thyra.

Children from this marriage were:

64355107402        i.  Chamberlain & The Tanner Fulbert De FALAISE (born in 978 in Falaise, Calvados, Normandy, France - died in 1017 in Normandy, France)

                  ii.  Ulf THORGILSSON Jarl Of Denmark was born in 993 in Halland, Sweden, died on 22 September 1027 in Roskilde Cathedral, Roskilde, Denmark at age 34, and was buried on 29 September 1027 in Hellige-Trefolg Kirken, Roskilde, Denmark. Another name for Ulf was Wolf Thorkilsson.

                 iii.  Harold Ii, King Of NORWAY was born about 1000 of Westfold, Norway and died about 1035 about age 35.

                  iv.  Gytha Githa Godiva was born about 1000 in Denmark and died after 1086 in Flanders.


128710214805. Thyra .

Thyra married Thorkell "The Tall" Sprakaleg STYRJORNSSON,2718,2719,2720,2721,2722 son of Styr-Bjorn The Strong OLAFSSON Prince Of Sweden and Thyra HARALDSDOTTIR Queen Of Norway. Thorkell was born about 960 in Uppsala, Sweden and died about 1023 in East Anglia, England about age 63. Another name for Thorkell was Thurkill.


128710214806. Malcolm II Mackenneth King Of SCOTLAND,415,1416,2100,2723,2724 son of Kenneth (Cinaed) II King Of SCOTS and Miss De LEINSTER, was born in 954 in Scotland 1416 and died on 25 November 1034 in Glamis, Angus, Scotland (Murdered) 1416,2725 at age 80.

General Notes:
Malcolm took advantage of the fact that the English were preoccupied with Danish raids and marched south, winning the Battle of Carham against the Angles in 1018 and thereby regaining Lothian. Thirteen years later King Canute invaded Scotland and forced Malcolm to submit to him. However, Canute seems to have recognized Malcolm's possession of Lothian.

After Malcolm II's reign, Scottish succession was based on the principle of direct descent. Previously, succession was determined by tanistry - during a king's lifetime an heir was chosen and known as "tanaiste rig" (second to the king).

Noted events in his life were:

• Ruled: 1005-1034.

Malcolm married Aelgifu Sigurdsdottir Of OSSORY in 1st Wife. Aelgifu was born about 962 in Ossory, Ireland and died after 984.

The child from this marriage was:

64355110681        i.  Bethoc (Beatrix) Princess Of SCOTLAND (born about 984 in Atholl, Perthshire, Scotland - died in 1045)

Malcolm next married Blanaid Nic BRIAN Of Munster, daughter of Brian Boroimhe Na Munster King Of IRELAND and Eachraidh Ui Aeda ODBA, after 948 in 2ND Wife. Blanaid was born about 968 in Munster, Ireland.

Children from this marriage were:

64355107403        i.  Doda Princess Of SCOTLAND (born about 985 in Falaise, Calvados, Normandy, France)

                  ii.  Thorda Donada (Olith) Princess Of SCOTLAND was born about 986 in Atholl, Perthshire, Scotland.

                 iii.  Dovada Princess Of SCOTLAND was born about 988 in Scotland.


128710214807. Blanaid Nic BRIAN Of Munster,415,505 daughter of Brian Boroimhe Na Munster King Of IRELAND and Eachraidh Ui Aeda ODBA, was born about 968 in Munster, Ireland.

Blanaid married Malcolm II Mackenneth King Of SCOTLAND 1416,2100,2723,2724 after 948 in 2ND Wife. Malcolm was born in 954 in Scotland 1416 and died on 25 November 1034 in Glamis, Angus, Scotland (Murdered) 1416,2725 at age 80.

128710214880. Judicael (Juhel) II Berenger Comte De RENNES,415 son of Berenger Comte De RENNES and Daughter Of Berenger De BAYEUX, was born about 910 in Rennes, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France and died in 970 about age 60.

General Notes: The following information is contained in a post-em by Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann@yahoo.com:

What I have in mind is her (Katherine Keats-Rohan) article on Poppa, mother of William Longsword of Normandy, which appeared in The American Genealogist a few years back. Basically, she suggested that Juhel/Judicael Berenger was son of a Count Berenger, named by Dudo and William of Juminges, and that both this Count Berenger and William Longsword were maternal grandchildren of an Earlier Frankish Count Berenger. I have seen it speculated (i.e. by Guillotel) that Judicael Berenger's paternal grandfather might have been a son or grandson of King Erispoe, but there was little evidence with which to place him. [Ref: TAF 21 Nov 2000]

Note: I originally had Juhel as brother of Poppa, but the above reference to Katherine Keats-Rohan indicates that Juhel is probably nephew of Poppa, being son of another Berenger Count. The dates would certainly indicate that Juhel and William Longsword were in the same generation.

Judicael married Gerberge. Gerberge was born about 925 in France.

Children from this marriage were:

64355107440        i.  Conan I Duke Of BRITTANY Comte De Rennes (born about 950 in Rennes, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France - died on 29 June 992 in Killed)

                  ii.  Guenergant Vicomtesse De RENNES was born about 954 in Rennes, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France and died before 1038 2726.


128710214881. Gerberge 415 was born about 925 in France.

Gerberge married Judicael (Juhel) II Berenger Comte De RENNES. Judicael was born about 910 in Rennes, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France and died in 970 about age 60.

128710214882. Geoffrey I Grisegnelle Comte D' ANJOU,415,1601,1746,2727,2728,2729 son of Foulques II "Le Bon" Comte D' ANJOU Count Of Anjou and Countess Of Anjou Gerberga De GATINAIS, was born on 11 November 938 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died on 21 July 987 in (Slain In Battle) 2729,2730 at age 48.

General Notes:
Received in requital of his gallant services against the Emperor Otto, a grant from King Robert, of the dignified office of Seneschal of France.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, Abt 950. 2729

Geoffrey married Countess Anjou Adelaide De VERMANDOIS 1601,2730,2731,2732 on 2 March 950-951 in 2ND Husband 1St Wife.2069 Adelaide was born in 934 in Meaux, Seine-Et-Marne, Ile-DE-France, France and died on 8 April 976 2730 at age 42. Other names for Adelaide were Adelaide Comtessa De CHALONS, and2733 Adelaide De TROYES.

Noted events in their marriage were:

• Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage, 965. 2729

• Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage, 965. 2729

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Countess Of Angouleme Gerberge D' ANJOU was born in 962 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France.1831

64355107441       ii.  Duchess Of Bretagne Ermengarde D' ANJOU (born about 963 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France - died on 27 June 992)

64355110658      iii.  Foulques III (Fulk) "The Black" Comte D' ANJOU Count (born on 21 June 967 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France - died on 21 June 1040 in Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France)

                  iv.  Maurice D' ANJOU was born about 958 in Of, , Anjou, France and died in 1012 about age 54.

                   v.  Adelaide D' ANJOU was born about 968 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died before 999.

                  vi.  Adela (Blanca) D' ANJOU [Countess Of Provence] was born about 960 in Of, , Anjou, France and died in 1029 about age 69.

                 vii.  Geoffroy D' ANJOU was born about 964 in Of, , Anjou, France.

                viii.  Ermengarde Of ANJOU was born about 962 and died on 27 June 992 about age 30.


128710214883. Countess Anjou Adelaide De VERMANDOIS,415,1601,1746,2730,2731,2732 daughter of Count Robert I Comte De Meaux & TROYES and Countess Adelaide Of BURGUNDY, was born in 934 in Meaux, Seine-Et-Marne, Ile-DE-France, France and died on 8 April 976 2730 at age 42. Other names for Adelaide were Adelaide Comtessa De CHALONS, and2733 Adelaide De TROYES.

General Notes:
Turton names her Adelaide de Chalons, daughter of Thebault de Chalons. I believe this is a mistake based on the name given by her marriage to her first husband, Lambert d'Auton, Count of Chalons.

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The following was contained in a post-em by Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann@yahoo.com:

Actually it's even uglier than that. ES indicates that Geoffrey married Adelaide de Vermandois & upon her death, married her widowed mother Adelaide de Burgundy, heiress of Chalons. It also states the same mother & dau also married Lambert, Comte de Chalon-sur-Saone, Vicomte de Dijon.

To see discussions of the absurdity of this go to google - groups - soc.genealogy.medieval & use keyword: grisgonelle

The following archived messages give a good synopsis of the problem:
Mardi Carter 26 Mar 1998
Jim Stevens 26 Mar 1998
Kenneth Harper Finton 26 Mar 1998
Christopher Nash 7 Jun 1998

To date I've not seen a definitive solution.

Regards,
Curt

Note: I have read some of the postings. They seem to indicate that Geoffrey m. this Adelaide (although she is sometimes named "Adele de Donzy" and possibly another Adelaide as well, and that this Adelaide may not have married Lambert d'Autun, Count of Chalons?). The part about the mother & daughter marrying the same people is (as it should be) discounted. I am removing her marriage to Lambert d'Autun, making his wife Adelaide of Burgundy.

Noted events in her life were:

• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, Abt 950. 2730,2731 Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, Abt 975. 2731

Adelaide married Geoffrey I Grisegnelle Comte D' ANJOU 1601,2727,2728,2729 from 2 March 950 to 951 in 2ND Husband 1St Wife.2069 Geoffrey was born on 11 November 938 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died on 21 July 987 in (Slain In Battle) 2729,2730 at age 48.

Adelaide next married Lambert D' AUTUN Count Of Chalon 1601,2693,2734 about 948 in , , , France. Lambert was born in 924 in Autun, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France and died from 22 February 978 to 979 in Chalon-Sur-Saone, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France 2734 at age 54. Another name for Lambert was Lambert De CHALON.


128710214884. William I "Longsword" Duke Of NORMANDY,415,1444,1601,1746,2078,2735 son of Rollo Rognvaldsson 1St Duke Of NORMANDY and Papia FALAISE Duchess Of Normandy, was born about 891 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 2736 and died on 17 December 942 in Killed At Picardy, France 1436,2078,2738 about age 51. The cause of his death was Murdered 943. Other names for William were Longue Épée=Long Sword, Guillaume I, and Dec De NORMANDIE.

General Notes:
William Longsword succeeded Rollo in 933. He was the son of one of Rollo's Frankish Christian concubines, Popa, the daughter of the vanquished Count of Bayeux, and was himself, therefore, an example of the rapid assimilation of the conquerors.

In 933, William managed to take back Cotentin and Avranchin from the Bretons. King Ralph (923-936) helped him in this enterprise and in exchange received the homage due from a vassal. However, it was the Count of Rouen who actually held the power in the vanquished territories.

At the same time William needed to confirm his control over the Irish-Norwegian elements established in Cotentin and Bessin. It would appear that the rebels were keen to retain their peaceful roots, and the Scandinavian traditions of organisation based on a land holding free of the control of a political authority. They were thus ill-disposed to enter into the bonds of dependency which were developing in Frankish society and which the new count did not hesitate to turn to his own advantage.
In the Frankish kingdom William became involved in the conflicts facing the leaders of the aristocracy and the Carolingian King Louis IV (936-954) under the gaze of the powerful king of Germany, Otto. The Count of Rouen played on the competition between the two authorities to which, in theory, he was answerable, the King of France, and his direct overlord Hugh the Great, heir to the prerogatives of the Marquis of Neustria, Duke of the Franks. In general William allied himself with Hugh the Great, but in 940 he provisionally changed sides and obtained from Louis IV the renewal of the concession granted to Rollo. In 942 he was killed in an ambush set by the Count of Flanders who was hostile to the rise in Norman power.

From the second generation, William Longsword had been the first authentically Christian Norman prince, notably supporting the restoration of the abbey of Jumièges. He won the hand in marriage of the daughter of the Count of Vermandois and thus entered into the society of the most powerful lords of the kingdom.

Assassinated by Arnulf/Arnulph/Arnoul "The Old", Count of Flanders, in 942, according to Encyclopaedia Britannica, 1961 ed., Vol. 16, pg. 493, Article: NORMANDY

William married Sprota (Sporta) De SENLIS 1601,2736,2739,2740 after 930 in 1st Wife (Danish Wife/Non Christian Marriage).2736 Sprota was born about 911 in Bretagne, Normandy and died about 972 about age 61. Other names for Sprota were Espriota De BRETAGNE, and Sprota De ST. LIS.

Children from this marriage were:

64355107442        i.  Richard I "The Fearless" 3Rd Duke Of NORMANDY Count Of Rouen (born on 28 August 933 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France - died on 20 November 996 in Fecamp, Seine-Inferieure, France)

                  ii.  Miss De NORMANDY was born about 935 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.

                 iii.  Raoul D'IVRY.

William next married Luitgarde De VERMANDOIS,1526,1601,1921,2741 daughter of Herbert II Count Of Troyes & VERMANDOIS and Liegarde (Hildebrand) Princess Of FRANCE, before 941 in 1st Husband 2ND Wife 1436,2735.,2737 Luitgarde was born about 920 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France,2742 died from 9 February 978 to 979 2737,2741 about age 58, and was buried in Abbaye DE Matemoutier, , France.

The child from this marriage was:

                   i.  Emma Of NORMANDY was born about 985 in Normandy, France and died living in 1012 about age 27.

William next married Asperleng Of Vaudreuil.

The child from this marriage was:

                   i.  Raoul Count Of Ivry And Bayeux.

William next married Liutgarde. Liutgarde died in February 978.


128710214885. Sprota (Sporta) De SENLIS,415,1601,1746,2736,2739,2740 daughter of Hubert Comte De SENLIS and Mrs-Hubert Count Of SENLIS, was born about 911 in Bretagne, Normandy and died about 972 about age 61. Other names for Sprota were Espriota De BRETAGNE, and Sprota De ST. LIS.

General Notes:
Curt Hofemann, in a post-em, indicates many people have doubts about Sprota's noble birth:

Sprota [Ref: ES III:694A] note: I have numerous notes on her (lack of) ancestry which I think I've previously provided. If I've not, let me know & I will gladly share them... Curt

Raoul/Rudolf/Ralph, count of Ivry, is the uterine brother of Richard I of Normandy, son of William. ("This was given by Dudo based on information supplied to him by Raoul himself, so is perfectly reliable", as Todd's mentioned.) But my understanding has always been that Raoul was the son of Sprota/Esporta de Bretagne/Senlis not by William Longsword but by Asperling/Esperlingus/Eperling. [Ref: Christopher Nash message to Gen-Medieval 15 Apr 2002 discussing an error in KSB Keats-Rohan's Domesday People. TAF (Todd A Farmerie) in response confirmed the above] note: she was NOT de Senlis and as far as "de Bretagne" see below... Curt

While this speculation is certainly possible, the alternative is likewise possible, that being that she was just some cute looking Breton peasant that William took a liking to. That, however, provides no opportunity for further genealogical research, so tends to pale in comparison to the possibility of attaching her to some noble house. My gut reaction is that, considering her son Ralph (d'Ivry) was one of the main sources of the norman historian Dudo, yet no such important connection was mentioned, she likely did not have any hereditary recomendations (sic) when chosen by Longsword. [Ref: TAF 9 Dec 2002]

Regards,
Curt

Sprota married William I "Longsword" Duke Of NORMANDY 1601,2078,2735 after 930 in 1st Wife (Danish Wife/Non Christian Marriage).2736 William was born about 891 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 2736 and died on 17 December 942 in Killed At Picardy, France 1436,2078,2738 about age 51. The cause of his death was Murdered 943. Other names for William were Longue Épée=Long Sword, Guillaume I, and Dec De NORMANDIE.

Sprota next married Asperling De VAUDREUIL 1778 after 942 in 2ND Husband. Asperling was born in 911 in France.

The child from this marriage was:

                   i.  Ralph (Raoul) Comte D' IVRY was born about 943 in Bayeux, Calvados, Normandy, France and died in Ivry-La-Bataille, Eure, Normandy, France. Another name for Ralph was Raoul I Comte De BAYEUX.

Sprota next married Afperlang 1601 in <Bretagne, Indre, France>. Afperlang was born in <Bretagne, Indre, France> and died in Y.

Sprota next married Nigel De St. SAUVEUR. Nigel was born about 911.

The child from this marriage was:

                   i.  Roger De St. SAUVEUR was born about 940.


128710215296. Balso Count Of BAYEUX 415 was born about 930 in Bayeux, Calvados, Normandy, France.

Balso married.

Children from this marriage were:

128709825929       i.  Miss Countess Of BAYEUX (born about 970 in Bayeux, Calvados, Normandy, France)

64355107648       ii.  Ancitel Vicomte Of BESSIN (born about 987 in Bayeux, Calvados, Normandy, France - died after 1031)


128710215300. Richard II "The Good" Duke Of NORMANDY,415,1601,1746,2266,2495 son of Richard I "The Fearless" 3Rd Duke Of NORMANDY Count Of Rouen and Duchess Of Crepon & Norma Gunnora (Gunhilda) CREPON, was born about 959 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France, died on 28 August 1026 in Fecamp, Seine-Inferieure, France 2495,2496 about age 67, and was buried in Fecamp, Seine Inferieure, , France.

General Notes:
Richard II, byname RICHARD The GOOD, French RICHARD le BON (d. 1026/27), duke of Normandy (996-1026/27), son of Richard I the Fearless. He held his own against a peasant insurrection, helped Robert II of France against the duchy of Burgundy, and repelled an English attack on the Cotentin Peninsula that was led by the Anglo-Saxon king Ethelred II the Unready. He also pursued a reform of the Norman monasteries. [Encyclopedia Britannica CD '97]

Richard married Princess Of Brittany Judith De BRETAGNE,1601,2266 daughter of Conan I Duke Of BRITTANY Comte De Rennes and Duchess Of Bretagne Ermengarde D' ANJOU, about 1000 in 2ND Husband 1St Wife 2069.,2496 Judith was born about 982 in Rennes, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France 2496 and died on 16 June 1017 in Normandy, France 2496 about age 35. Another name for Judith was Judith De RENNES.

Richard next married Poppa D' ENVERMEU 2496 about 1024 of Normandy, Frances.2496 Poppa was born about 970 in France and died after 1024.

Richard next married Astrid (Margaret) Princess Of DENMARK,2496 daughter of Sven (Sweyn) "Forkbeard" King Denmark & ENGLAND and Sigrid "The Haughty" STORRADA, after 1017 in 2ND Wife.2496 Astrid was born about 990 in Denmark and died about 1024 about age 34.

Richard next married Duchess Of Envermeu Papia (Popa) NORMANDY 1601 in 1024 in , Normandy, France. Papia was born in 997 in Ponthieu, Picardy, France and died in Y.

Richard next married Princess Of Denmark Estrith Margarite SVENDSDATTER,1601 daughter of Unknown and Unknown, about 1026 in <, , Normandie, France>. Estrith was born about 997 in Of, , , Denmark, died on 9 May, and was buried in Cathedral, Roskilde, Roskilde, Denmark.

128710215301. Princess Of Brittany Judith De BRETAGNE,415,1601,1746,2266 daughter of Conan I Duke Of BRITTANY Comte De Rennes and Duchess Of Bretagne Ermengarde D' ANJOU, was born about 982 in Rennes, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France 2496 and died on 16 June 1017 in Normandy, France 2496 about age 35. Another name for Judith was Judith De RENNES.

Judith married Richard II "The Good" Duke Of NORMANDY,1601,2266,2495 son of Richard I "The Fearless" 3Rd Duke Of NORMANDY Count Of Rouen and Duchess Of Crepon & Norma Gunnora (Gunhilda) CREPON, about 1000 in 2ND Husband 1St Wife 2069.,2496 Richard was born about 959 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France, died on 28 August 1026 in Fecamp, Seine-Inferieure, France 2495,2496 about age 67, and was buried in Fecamp, Seine Inferieure, , France.

128710215304. Ansfred II Onfror Le GOZ,415,2253 son of Ansfred The DANE and Helloe Countess Of BEULAC, was born about 963 in Normandy, France.

General Notes: HUGH D'AVRANCHES, EARL OF CHESTER
The Conqueror and His Companions
by J.R. Planché, Somerset Herald. London: Tinsley Brothers, 1874.

The third son of Gerlotte was Ansfrid the Dane, the first Vicomte of the Hiemois, and father of Ansfrid the second, surnamed Goz, above mentioned, whose son Turstain (Thurstan, or Toustain) Goz was the great favourite of Robert Duke of Normandy, the father of the Conqueror, and accompanied him to the Holy Land, and was entrusted to bring back the relics the Duke had obtained from the Patriarch of Jerusalem to present to the Abbey of Cerisi, which he had founded. Revolting against the young Duke William in 1041 (Vide vol. i, p. 21), Turstain was exiled, and his lands confiscated and given by the Duke to his mother, Herleve, wife of Herluin de Conteville.

Ansfred married in 988.

Children from this marriage were:

64355107652        i.  Thurstan (Toustein) Le GOZ Viscount Of Hiemes (born about 990 in Creully, Calvados, Normandy, France - died in Avranches, Manche, Normandy, France)

                  ii.  Beatrice Le GOZ was born about 992 in Creully, Calvados, Normandy, France and died before 1014.


128710215322. Leofric III Earl Of MERCIA,415,505,1034,2010 son of Leofwine I Earl Of MERCIA and Alwara ATHELSTANSDOTTIR, was born on 14 May 978 in Chester, Cheshire, England (Mercia) 1034 and died on 31 August 1057 in Bromley, Staffordshire, England (Mercia) 1034,2010,2743 at age 79.

General Notes: Bef 1032 - became Earl of Mercia. [Encyclopaedia Britannica]

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, 14 May 968. Chester, Cheshire, England (Mercia)

Leofric married Lady Godiva Of COVENTRY Lady Godiva 2010 before 1030.2010 Godiva was born about 1010 in Buckinghamshire, England 2010 and died on 10 September 1067 in Coventry, Warwickshire, England (Mercia) about age 57. Another name for Godiva was Godiva Of BUCKINGHAM Lady Godiva.

Children from this marriage were:

64355108406        i.  Aelfgar III Earl Of East Anglia & MERCIA (born about 1025 in Chester, Cheshire, England (Mercia) - died after 1062 in Mercia, England)

                  ii.  Hereward Thegn Of MERCIA was born in 1004 in Barholm, Lincolnshire, England and died after 1086 in Witham, Lincolnshire, England 677.

64355107661      iii.  Daughter Of Leofric Earl Of MERCIA (born about 1005 in Chester, Cheshire, England (Mercia))

                  iv.  Erminhild Of MERCIA was born about 1030 in Bromley, Staffordshire, England (Mercia).




128710215323. Lady Godiva Of COVENTRY Lady Godiva,415,505,2010 daughter of Thorold Of COVENTRY and Unknown, was born about 1010 in Buckinghamshire, England 2010 and died on 10 September 1067 in Coventry, Warwickshire, England (Mercia) about age 57. Another name for Godiva was Godiva Of BUCKINGHAM Lady Godiva.

General Notes:
This is the famous Lady Godiva. She complained constantly to her husband that the taxes were too high on the townspeople of Coventry. He finally said that he would reduce the taxes if she would ride nude through the marketplace on market day. She arranged for all of the men to remain inside and covered her entire body, except her legs, with her hair. Supposedly one person named Tom did not remain inside during her ride and became known as "Peeping Tom". Leofric eliminated all taxes, except for one on horses. During Edward I's reign, a check was made and the only tax in Coventry was one on horses. Since 1678 the town of Coventry still celebrates the ride during its annual fair.

Warwickshire - the Domesday Book in 1086

Perhaps one of the most famous early personalities of the period was Lady Godiva (Godwa or Godgifu) who allegedly rode naked the streets of Coventry in Warwickshire as a protest against her husband's high taxes on the people of the city. This husband, Earl Leofric, a Saxon Earl of Mercia, died an old man in 1057, nine years before the Norman Conquest. They seemingly had issue, at least one daughter, who married into the Malet family. 29 years after her husband's death, Lady (Countess) Godiva held many estates in Warwickshire, including Coventry, as revealed by the Domesday Book in 1086. Chronologically, either Leofric had married a child bride, or Lady Godivawas a very old woman at the time of the Domesday Survey in 1086. The former is the most likely. The lordships bestowed on Lady Godiva in Warwickshire by William the Conqueror in 1066 were considerable, probably the result of an alliance struck either with Leofric or Lady Godiva before the Conquest. Since, Lady Godiva was a wealthy woman in 1057, and still wealthy after the Conquest, it is not likely she displayed herself in protest after that date, since she would have been protesting her own taxation. She apparently inherited her lands and titles in 1057. Therefore, the event in question probably took place, if at all, several years before 1057, when, young and innocent, the impatient and passionate Lady Godiva, appalled by her aging husband's despotic ways, leapt on her nag and took to the streets of Coventry in all her naked glory, perhaps too young to realize that within a few short years she would be in full control of all the taxation of her husband's considerable holdings at the time of his death, holdings which she carried through to at least 1086. [Ref: <http://www.genealogyweb.com/Warwickshire.htm>]

Godiva married Leofric III Earl Of MERCIA 1034,2010 before 1030.2010 Leofric was born on 14 May 978 in Chester, Cheshire, England (Mercia) 1034 and died on 31 August 1057 in Bromley, Staffordshire, England (Mercia) 1034,2010,2743 at age 79.

128710215324. Crispin De BEC,415,2276 son of Grimald Prince Of MONACO and Crispina De NORMANDY, was born about 955 in Bec, Eure, Normandy, France.

Crispin married Heloise De GUINES.2276 Heloise was born about 963 in Castle At Guines, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France.

The child from this marriage was:

64355107662        i.  Gilbert CRISPIN Seigneur De Tillieres & Bec (born about 1000 in Tillieres, Maine-Et-Loire, Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France - died in Bec, Eure, Normandy, France)


128710215325. Heloise De GUINES,415,2276 daughter of Sigfried "The Dane" Comte De GUINES and Countess Of Guisnes Elisende (Elftrude) De FLANDERS, was born about 963 in Castle At Guines, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France.

Heloise married Godfrey Fitzrichard Of BRIONNE Comte D'eu 1049,1601,2744.,2745 Godfrey was born about 953 in Brionne, Eure, Normandy, France and died in 1015 2511 about age 62. Another name for Godfrey was Geoffrey Of Brionne Comte D' EU.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Mr\Mrs. De BRIONNE was born about 978 in Brionne, Eure, Normandy, France.

                  ii.  Gilbert Fitzgodfrey Comte D'eu & BRIONNE was born about 980 in Brionne, Eure, Normandy, France and died in 1040 in Eu, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France (Assassinated) 1404 about age 60. Another name for Gilbert was Gilbert Fitzgodfrey Comte D' EU & Brionne.

128709825925     iii.  Adela D' EU (born about 985 in Eu, Dieppe, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France)

                  iv.  Murielle De NORMANDY was born about 986 in Eu, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died about 1014 about age 28. Another name for Murielle was Murielle D' EU.

Heloise next married Crispin De BEC,2276 son of Grimald Prince Of MONACO and Crispina De NORMANDY. Crispin was born about 955 in Bec, Eure, Normandy, France.

128710215326. Fulk D' AUNOU,415,2276 son of Baldric The TEUTON Seigneur De \Courcy\ and Muriella De NORMANDY, was born about 985 in Aunou, Orne, Normandy, France and died after 1007.

Fulk married Beatrice Le GOZ, daughter of Ansfred II Onfror Le GOZ and Unknown, in 1st Husband. Beatrice was born about 992 in Creully, Calvados, Normandy, France and died before 1014.

The child from this marriage was:

64355107663        i.  Gunnora D' AUNOU (born about 1010 in Aunou, Orne, Normandy, France)


128710215327. Beatrice Le GOZ,415 daughter of Ansfred II Onfror Le GOZ and Unknown, was born about 992 in Creully, Calvados, Normandy, France and died before 1014.

Beatrice married William L Comte Heimois & D' EU,2746 son of Richard I "The Fearless" 3Rd Duke Of NORMANDY Count Of Rouen and CONCUBINE(S), after 1007 in 2ND Husband 1St Wife. William was born about 970 in Exmes (Heimois), Orne, Normandy, France and died from before 4 January 1038 to 1039 in Eu, Seine Inferieure, Normandy, France. Another name for William was William De HIESMES.

The child from this marriage was:

                   i.  Constance D' EU was born about 1009 in Eu, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.

Beatrice next married Fulk D' AUNOU,2276 son of Baldric The TEUTON Seigneur De \Courcy\ and Muriella De NORMANDY, in 1st Husband. Fulk was born about 985 in Aunou, Orne, Normandy, France and died after 1007.

128710215360. Amaury I Seigneur De MONTFORT,415,1379,1382 son of Count Of Paris Robert I King Of FRANCE and Queen Of France Béatrice De VERMANDOIS, was born about 920 in Evreux, Eure, Normandy, France 1382 and died in 983 in Montfort-L'amaury, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France 1382 about age 63.

General Notes: Leo van de Pas does not give a father for Amaury. I have taken his father from Burke's below, which may not be super accurate:

Thus, Robert, King of France.
Almaric, who had the town of Montfort by gift of his royal father and thence assumed that surname.

[Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage Ltd, London, England, 1883, p. 376, Montfort, Earls of Leicester]

Amaury married Judith De CAMBRAI,1379,1382 daughter of Isaac Count Of CAMBRAI and Alberade Of HAINAULT, in 952 1379.,1382 Judith was born about 940 in Cambrai, Nord-Pas-DE-Calais, France.

Children from this marriage were:

64355107680        i.  Guillaume Comte De MONTFORT (born about 960 in Evreux, Eure, Normandy, France - died in 1018 in Montfort-L'amaury, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France)

                  ii.  Avemelle De MONTFORT was born about 980 in Montfort-L'amaury, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France and died in 1031 about age 51.


128710215361. Judith De CAMBRAI,1379,1382 daughter of Isaac Count Of CAMBRAI and Alberade Of HAINAULT, was born about 940 in Cambrai, Nord-Pas-DE-Calais, France.

Judith married Amaury I Seigneur De MONTFORT,1379,1382 son of Count Of Paris Robert I King Of FRANCE and Queen Of France Béatrice De VERMANDOIS, in 952 1379.,1382 Amaury was born about 920 in Evreux, Eure, Normandy, France 1382 and died in 983 in Montfort-L'amaury, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France 1382 about age 63.

128710215362. Rotrou Seigneur De NOGENT-LE-ROTROU 415 was born about 936 in Nogent-Le-Roi, Eure-Et-Loire, Beauce/Centre, France and died in 978 about age 42.

Rotrou married.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Milasinde De NOGENT-LE-ROTROU was born about 966 in Nogent-Le-Rotrou, Eure-Et-Loire, Beauce/Centre, France.

64355107681       ii.  Miss De NOGENT (born about 975 in Nogent-Le-Roi, Eure-Et-Loire, Beauce/Centre, France)


128710215368. Richard I "The Fearless" 3Rd Duke Of NORMANDY Count Of Rouen,415,1049,1114,1601,1746,2507 son of William I "Longsword" Duke Of NORMANDY and Sprota (Sporta) De SENLIS, was born on 28 August 933 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France,1114,2045 died on 20 November 996 in Fecamp, Seine-Inferieure, France 1114,2045 at age 63, and was buried in Fecamp, Seine-Inferieure, France. Another name for Richard was Richard SANS PEUR.

General Notes:
Richard I, byname RICHARD "The FEARLESS", French RICHARD SANS PEUR (b. c. 932--d. 996), duke of Normandy (942-996), son of William I Longsword.

Louis IV of France took the boy-duke into his protective custody, apparently intent upon reuniting Normandy to the crown's domains; but in 945 Louis was captured by the Normans, and Richard was returned to his people. Richard withstood further Carolingian attempts to subdue his duchy and, in 987, was instrumental in securing the French crown for his brother-in-law, the Robertian Hugh Capet. [Encyclopedia Britannica CD '97]

942-996: Duke of Normandy [Ref: Monarchs, Rulers, Dynasties and Kingdoms of the World by R.F. Tapsell 1983 p202]

Title of Duke, again, was not likely generally used by Richard I or his son Richard II, whose official documents style themselves "count of Rouen." Later eleventh century documents use the term Duke - and adopted for historical record. [Ref: William The Conqueror, The Norman Impact Upon England by David C. Douglas 1964]

'Richard I and his new settler in-laws of the 960's were the winners who lasted. In becoming so they learned (and taught) two principles of success that marked them off from the Franks. They learned the value of a strong centralizing chieftain who could at least freeze the status quo once his own local chieftains had taken what they wanted. The more successful he was, the more chiefs attached themselves to him for just this: with his warranty, backed by his chieftains, their defeated enemies could not recover by violence what had been taken from them by violence. Thus were the Norman dukes 'settlers of quarrels.' Fearlessness was the necessary quality in such a coordinating chieftain, and Richard I, who has no encomiast of his deeds, has at least this sobriquet, 'the Fearless' Those who were great fighters and the ruthlessly, selectively violent, were the great centralizers among the threatened and rapacious Norse.' [Ref: Predatory Kinship and the Creation of Norman Power, 840-1066 by Eleanor Searle, University of California Press, 1988 -Charlotte's Web Geneology http://www.charweb.org/gen/rjones/d0042/g0000019.htm#I238]

"RICHARD I, "the Fearless", Duke of Normandy, b. Fecamp ca. 933, named father's h. 29 May 942, d. 20 Nov. 996; m. (1) (Danish wife) Gunnor, d. 1027 or 1031, dau. of the forester of Arques, but betrothed ca. 945 & event. m. (2) 960 to Emma, d. ca. 968, dau. Hugh Capet ..., Count of Paurs. After Emma's death, m. (Christian marriage) Gunnor to legit. their children. ... By Gunnor, Richard had [RICHARD II]." [Ref: Weis AR7:110-111]

"When in 942 William was murdered at the instigation of Count Arnulf of Flanders, his son Richard, still a minor, succeeded him. Louis IV and Hugh the Great each tried to seize Normandy, and Louis took charge of Richard. He then ensconced himself at Rouen and Hugh took Bayeux, which still had a Scandinavian leader called Sictric. Richard escaped from his custody at Laon, retook Rouen, and called on another Viking leader, Harald of the Bassin, for help. The Normans under Richard were able to re-establish their autonomy and from 947 Richard governed in relative peace. In 965 he swore allegiance to the Carolingian king Lothar at Gisors. Richard's official marriage was to Emma, daughter of Hugh the Great; they had no children, but by his common-law wife Gunnor, a Dane, he had many. Richard II, son of Gunnor and Richard I, succeeded his father in 996, another son Robert was archbishop of Rouen from 989 to 1037 and Emma their daughter became queen of England on her marriage to Aethelred, a position she maintained after his death in 1016 by marrying Cnot (sic: Cnut/Knut...Curt). Gunnor's nephews and other relatives furthermore formed the core of the new aristocracy which developed in the course of the eleventh century. Unfortunately we know little about the internal organization and history of Normandy until the reign of Richard II, and this falls outside our period." [Ref: The Frankish Kingdoms under the Carolingians 751-987, by Rosamond McKitterick, London & NY (Longman) 1983 p238-239]

During the minority of his (William Long-Sword) successor, Duke Richard, King Louis IV -- who was making an expedition into Normandy -- was captured by the inhabitants of Rouen and handed over to Hugh the Great. From this time onwards the dukes of Normandy began to enter into relations with the dukes of France; and in 958 Duke Richard married Hugh the Great's daughter. He died in 996. (Succeeded by Richard II.) [Ref: Gordon Fisher <gfisher@SHENTEL.NET> message to soc.genealogy.medieval 6 Nov 1996]

Richard married Duchess Of Crepon & Norma Gunnora (Gunhilda) CREPON 1372,1375,1601,1666,1704,2045,2234,2508,2509 before 959 in Danish Wife - Christian Marriage After 968.2045 Gunnora was born in 936 in Arque, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 1375 and died in 1031 in France 1375,1704,2045 at age 95.

Richard next married Emma CAPET,2045 daughter of Count Of Paris Hugh Magnus Capet Of Neustria, Duke Of The FRANKS Count Of Paris and Princess Of The Germans Hedwige Of SAXONY, in 960.2045 Emma was born about 944 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France and died about 968 2045 about age 24.

Richard next married CONCUBINE(S) in No Marriage. CONCUBINE(S) was born in 935.

Richard next married Emma Princess Of FRANCE,1601,2045 daughter of Count Of Paris Hugh Magnus Capet Of Neustria, Duke Of The FRANKS Count Of Paris and Princess Of The Germans Hedwige Of SAXONY, in 956 in , , , France.2045 Emma was born in 943 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France and died from 19 March 967 to 968 2045 at age 24.

Richard next married Papia.

128710215369. Duchess Of Crepon & Norma Gunnora (Gunhilda) CREPON,415,1372,1375,1601,1666,1704,1746,2045,2234,2508,2509 daughter of Herbastus Forester Of ARQUE and Gunnhild OLAFSDOTTIR Princess Of Sweden, was born in 936 in Arque, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France 1375 and died in 1031 in France 1375,1704,2045 at age 95.

General Notes:
Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann@yahoo.com, in a post-em, wrote:

Apparently she was not "de Crepon" & her parentage is unknown:

The name of the father of Gunnor is unknown. Herbastus is derived from the name of her brother Herfast/Arfastus, but is unsupported. [Ref: Todd A Farmerie <taf2@po.cwru.edu> message to Gen-Medieval 6 Nov 1996]

The greater part of our information about Gunnor and her relations is derived from those additions to the History of William of Jumieges for which Robert de Rotigny is responsible. It is Robert who preserved the story of how Richard I of Normandy became enamoured of the beautiful Senfrie, wife of one of his foresters, and how Senfrie contrived to substitute her sister Gunnor for herself, to the Duke's ultimate satisfaction. [Ref The Sisters and Nieces of Gunnor, Duchess of Normandy by G.H. White in the Genealogist, New Series 1921 v37 p57]

Parentage of Gunnor and her siblings is unknown. While some sources call her father Herfastus, this was in fact the name of her brother. She has also been claimed as a daughter of the Danish royal family, but there is no evidence for this, and the context of her coming to attention of Richard I and the family's subsequent rise to power militates against her being a royal daughter. Douglas argued, based on the donations of brother Arfast to the monastery of St. Pere, that the root of the family was in the Cotetin region of Normandy, but van Houts has suggested that the Cotetin land was granted to Arfast, rather than inherited by him. Thus we are left with the more ambiguous statement of Torigny and others that she was a member of a Norman family of Danish origins. [Ref: Todd A Farmerie <taf2@po.cwru.edu> message to Gen-Medieval 5 Jan 1997]

Gunnora ... was not "de Crepon", nor was she daughter of Herbastus de Crepon of Denmark - her brother Herfastus/Arfast appears to have received Crepon only after Gunnora took up with Richard I, and thus the family was not originally from there. Likewise, while she is said to be of a noble family of Danish ancestry, it is not stated that her father was from Denmark (the family probably arrived with Rollo, in the generation of her (unknown) grandfather. [Ref: Todd A Farmerie <taf2@po.cwru.edu> message to Gen-Medieval 28 Jul 2000]

Research note 1: Was her father Herfast de CREPON or King Haraldblaafand of DENMARK? There is a lack of consensus on this. -Charlotte's Web Geneology http://www.charweb.org/gen/rjones/d0042/g0000020.htm#I239

Research note 2: father: Harald I Blaatand, Bluetooth, King of Denmark [Ref: McBride2 (possibly citing Wurts)]

My notes on Gunnora:
This is the same Gunnora known as Gunnora of Crepon, but both are of little value. Gunnora was NOT of Denmark. Some inventive genealogist somewhere along the line decided to make her daughter of Harald Bluetooth, but there is no basis for this, and what we know of her indicates it is not really a possibility worthy of consideration. Her nephew later was called "of Crepon" but he likely gained his posessions through Gunnora's marriage to the Duke, rather than this representing the original home of the clan.

What can be said of Gunnora's parents? Nothing She was not daughter of Harfast, as (too) often stated. Her family was likely of the minor Norman nobility, since her oldest sister was married to a forester at the time Richard first bumped into the girls. That's it.

Richard I of Normandy first bedded, and later married Gunnora, whose ancestry is entirely unknown. She is sometimes said to be daughter of a King of Denmark, but this is incorrect. [taf]

There are several things going on here. First of all, the father of Gunnora and siblings is not known. Attempts to name him Herbastus probably originated in confusion with her brother. Second, Gunnora had three sisters, Senfria/Senfreda, Wevia, and (Avelina). The first married an otherwise unknown forester. The latter two are confused by our two sources, one claiming that it was Wevia who married Osbern, and the other that Wevia married Turold of Pont Audemer, and by deduction, (Avelina) married Osbern. We know that Osbern married one of them, and a recent analysis suggests that it was Wevia for nomenclatural reasons. (Specifically, Turold and wife had a granddaughter named Duvelina, and it is hyposthesized that she was named for her grandmother, and that Duvelina is the authentic name of the sister, rather than Avelina. Finally, in which generation was Osbern's. This is unambiguous. She was sister of Gunnora and the others. There is no source before recent times that claims otherwise. There are two probable origins for the error that she was niece of Gunnora. First, due to the error in naming her father Herfastus, someone aware that this was the name of Gunnora's brother assumed then that Avelina's father was Gunnora's brother (the name of Gunnora's father being unknown, and probably unknowable). The second possibility is a confusion of uncle and nephew. Harfastus/Arfast had a son Osbern of Crepon, and perhaps someone confused this man with Osbern of Bolbec. Still, we know for certain that Osbern of Bolbec married a sister of Gunnora. [Ref: Dave Utzinger <UTZ@aol.com> message to Gen-Medieval 29 Jul 2000]

Gunnora married Richard I "The Fearless" 3Rd Duke Of NORMANDY Count Of Rouen 1049,1114,1601,2507 before 959 in Danish Wife - Christian Marriage After 968.2045 Richard was born on 28 August 933 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France,1114,2045 died on 20 November 996 in Fecamp, Seine-Inferieure, France 1114,2045 at age 63, and was buried in Fecamp, Seine-Inferieure, France. Another name for Richard was Richard SANS PEUR.

Gunnora next married Hugh Of COUSTANCE Bishop Of Counstance.

128710215492. Geoffrey I Duke Of BRITTANY,415,2002,2266 son of Conan I Duke Of BRITTANY Comte De Rennes and Duchess Of Bretagne Ermengarde D' ANJOU, was born about 980 in Rennes, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France 2267 and died on 20 November 1008 in Nantes, Loire-Atlantique, Anjou/Pays-de-la-Loire, France 2002,2266 about age 28.

General Notes: GEOFFREY, DUKE OF BRITTANY, married Hawise, daughter of Richard I, DUKE OFNORMANDY, and died in 1008, leaving two sons, Alan and Eudon. During their mother's lifetime the two brothers seem to have been joint rulers of Brittany, but on her death, on 21 February 1034, dissensions broke out between them; peace was restored by a settlement under which Eudon received a territory corresponding roughly to the dioceses of Dol, St. Mialo, St. Brieuc and Tréguier, reduced in the hands of his successors to the two last-named dioceses, while Alan retained the rest of Brittany. After the death of Alan in 1040 Eudon seized the government of Brittany to the exclusion of his nephew Conan, who recovered it in 1057. Eudon died 7 January 1079. He married Orguen, whose parentage is unknown. [Complete Peerage X:779-81, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

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I will have to research where I picked up that Geoffrey died in Nantes (maybe he was one his way to the Holy Lands or on his way back). The following information, indicating that Geoffrey died on pilgrimage, came from Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann@yahoo.com:

Not sure whether you are saying that Weis & CP give the date & place or just the date & that your source of the place is from elsewhere, but please consider:

... in 1008, Geoffrey of Brittany had likewise set forth on pilgrimage to the Holy Land. [Ref: Wm Conqueror p35]
On Geoffrey's departure in 1008 on the pilgrimage during which he died, his two sons Alan III and Eudo, then of tender age, were left under the tutelage of their Norman mother... [Ref: Wm Conqueror p29]

Prof. Douglas indcates that Geoffrey died either on his way to/from or in the Holy Land. I am interested to know your source for his place of death. Thanks.

Other info:
Geoffrey of Rennes, who was subsequently count of Brittany [Ref: Wm Conqueror p29]
Count of Bretagne, Rennes [Ref: Turton]
Duke of Brittany [Ref: CP X:779-81, Weis AR7 39:22]
Duke of Brittany 992-1008 [Ref: Tapsell p203]

Regards,
Curt

Geoffrey married Hawise Of NORMANDY 2266 in 996.2267 Hawise was born about 975 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died from 21 February 1033 to 1034 in Rennes, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France 2267 about age 58.

128710215493. Hawise Of NORMANDY,415,2266 daughter of Richard I "The Fearless" 3Rd Duke Of NORMANDY Count Of Rouen and CONCUBINE(S), was born about 975 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died from 21 February 1033 to 1034 in Rennes, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France 2267 about age 58.

Hawise married Geoffrey I Duke Of BRITTANY 2002,2266 in 996.2267 Geoffrey was born about 980 in Rennes, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France 2267 and died on 20 November 1008 in Nantes, Loire-Atlantique, Anjou/Pays-de-la-Loire, France 2002,2266 about age 28.

128710215520. Dietrich II Count Of HOLLAND & WESTFRIESLAND,415,1601,1746,2515,2561 son of Dietrich I Count Of HOLLAND and Gerberge (Geva) Of MAYINHARD, was born in 938 in Egmond-Binnen, West Franks, Netherlands, died on 6 May 988 in Abdijkerk Egmond, Noord Holland, , Netherlands 2053,2515 at age 50, and was buried in Abdijkerk Egmond, Noord Holland, , Netherlands. Another name for Dietrich was Dirk II Count Of West FRIESLAND.

Dietrich married Hildegarde Countess Of FLANDERS,1601,2053,2515,2561 daughter of Arnold I Count Of FLANDERS Count Of Flanders and Countess Of Flanders Alce De VERMANDOIS. Hildegarde was born in 934 in Of, Gand, Flandre Orientale, Belgium, died on 10 April 990 2053 at age 56, and was buried in Abdijkerk, Egmond Aan Den Hoef, Noord Holland, Netherlands. Another name for Hildegarde was Hildegarde De GAND.

The child from this marriage was:

64355107760        i.  Arnulph Count Of HOLLAND & WESTFRIESLAND (born about 965 in Ghent, Flanders Now Belgium - died on 18 September 993 in Slain At Egmond-Binnen, Netherlands)


128710215521. Hildegarde Countess Of FLANDERS,415,1601,1746,2053,2515,2561 daughter of Arnold I Count Of FLANDERS Count Of Flanders and Countess Of Flanders Alce De VERMANDOIS, was born in 934 in Of, Gand, Flandre Orientale, Belgium, died on 10 April 990 2053 at age 56, and was buried in Abdijkerk, Egmond Aan Den Hoef, Noord Holland, Netherlands. Another name for Hildegarde was Hildegarde De GAND.

General Notes: Turton names her Hildegarde de Gand, daughter of Wichmann Comte de Gand, fl. c. 949.

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I originally had Hildegarde de Flanders m. Wichman, Count de Gand, and their daughter Hildegarde de Gand m. Dietrich. According to sources quoted by Curt, below, Hildegarde de Gand & Hildegarde de Flanders are one and the same person; so I have changed Hildegarde to be daughter of Arnold Count of Flanders. Todd Farmerie in a post to SGM, 13 Mar 2001, stated that it was Luitgarde of Flanders, another daughter of Arnold Count of Flanders who married Wichmann.

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Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann@yahoo.com, writes in a post-em:

Hi Jim,
ES II:5 lists b. ca 934.
ES II:2, 5 lists d. 10 Apr 990 & Moriarty lists 990.

ES II:2 makes her the daughter of Arnold I Count of Flanders (not granddaughter).
Moriarty p55 "perhaps dau of Arnulf I Count of Flanders"
Todd A. Farmerie <farmerie@interfold.com> in a message to Gen-Medieval 13 Mar 2001: mother unk, not Adele of Vermandois

A somewhat new, very worthwhile website by Stewart Baldwin is the Henry Project at:
http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/henry.htm
which states:
No direct evidence is known for the suggestion that Hildegard was Arnulf's daughter. However, the onomastic evidence for such an affiliation is strong, given that Hildegard had sons named Arnulf and Egbert, the latter of which is an Anglo-Saxon name that had only been recently introduced into the family of Flemish counts through Arnulf's mother. However, chronological considerations make it highly unlikely that Hildegard was born late enough to be a daughter of Adele of Vermandois. Since the chronology leaves plenty of room for an earlier marriage of Arnulf (who was probably in his 40's when he married Adele), it is most likely that Hildegard was born to an earlier marriage. [Ref: Erich Brandenburg, Die Nachkommen Karls des Großen, Frankfurt, 1964, 91-2; = Karl Ferdinand Werner, 'Die Nachkommen Karls des Großen bis um das Jahr 1000 (1.-8. Generation)', Karl der Große 4 (1967), 69-70

Hildegarde married Dietrich II Count Of HOLLAND & WESTFRIESLAND,1601,2515,2561 son of Dietrich I Count Of HOLLAND and Gerberge (Geva) Of MAYINHARD. Dietrich was born in 938 in Egmond-Binnen, West Franks, Netherlands, died on 6 May 988 in Abdijkerk Egmond, Noord Holland, , Netherlands 2053,2515 at age 50, and was buried in Abdijkerk Egmond, Noord Holland, , Netherlands. Another name for Dietrich was Dirk II Count Of West FRIESLAND.

Hildegarde next married Valeran De VEXIN.1601 Valeran was born in <Of, Gand, Flandre Orientale, Belgium> and died in Y.


128710215522. Siegfried Count Of LUXEMBOURG,415,1444,1601,1746,2519 son of Richwin Count Of VERDUN and Cunégonde Of The WEST FRANKS, was born about 922 in Aachen, Rhineland, Prussia 2519,2520 and died on 15 August 998 2519,2521 about age 76. Another name for Siegfried was Sigfroi.

Siegfried married Hedwig Countess Of LUXEMBOURG 1601,2519 about 950 in <Of, , Moselgau, France>.2519 Hedwig was born about 923 in Luxembourg, , France and died on 13 December 992 2519,2521 about age 69. Other names for Hedwig were Edith, and ALSACE.

128710215523. Hedwig Countess Of LUXEMBOURG,415,1444,1601,1746,2519 daughter of Eberhard IV Von Hohenburg Count Of NORDGAU and Luitgarde (Bertha) Von METZ, was born about 923 in Luxembourg, , France and died on 13 December 992 2519,2521 about age 69. Other names for Hedwig were Edith, and ALSACE.

Hedwig married Siegfried Count Of LUXEMBOURG 1601,2519 about 950 in <Of, , Moselgau, France>.2519 Siegfried was born about 922 in Aachen, Rhineland, Prussia 2519,2520 and died on 15 August 998 2519,2521 about age 76. Another name for Siegfried was Sigfroi.

128710215524. Arnold II Count Of FLANDERS,415,1601,1746,2112,2747 son of Count Baudouin III Of FLANDERS and Countess Of Flanders Mathilde Princess Of SAXONY, was born in December 961 in , Flanders, Nord, France,2713 died on 30 March 987 in Chapel DE St Laurent, France 2475 at age 25, and was buried between 30 March 987 and 989.

General Notes:
Turton has Arnulph II as son of Arnulph I (Baldwin III is not in his direct descent). AR has Arnold II as son of Baldwin III. I am following AR.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 988. 2112

Arnold married Queen Of France Rosela (Susanna) Of ITALY Princess Of Italy 1601,2112,2474 about 968.2475 Rosela was born about 945 in Luxembourg, Luxembourg, West Europe,2475 died from 26 January 1002 to 1003 in Gent, Luxembourg, Belgium 2112,2475,2476 about age 57, and was buried on 7 February 1003 in Gent, Luxembourg, Belgium.2476 Other names for Rosela were Rosele, Rosella,2477 Susanna Av IVREA, and Rosala De TOSCANE.

Children from this marriage were:

64355107762        i.  Baudouin IV "The Bearded" Count Of FLANDERS Count Of Flanders (born between 967 and 968 in Lille, Nord, Nord-Pas-DE-Calais, France - died on 30 May 1036 in , Flanders, Nord, France)

                  ii.  Eudes (Eudon\Odo) Comte De CAMBRAI was born about 982 in Flanders, France and died in Cambrai, Nord-Pas-DE-Calais, France. Another name for Eudes was Eudes Of FLANDERS.

                 iii.  Arnold III De FLANDERS was born about 984 in Flanders, France.


128710215525. Queen Of France Rosela (Susanna) Of ITALY Princess Of Italy,415,1444,1601,1746,2112,2474 daughter of Berengarius II King Of ITALY Marquis Of Ivrea and Willa D'arles Of TUSCANY, was born about 945 in Luxembourg, Luxembourg, West Europe,2475 died from 26 January 1002 to 1003 in Gent, Luxembourg, Belgium 2112,2475,2476 about age 57, and was buried on 7 February 1003 in Gent, Luxembourg, Belgium.2476 Other names for Rosela were Rosele, Rosella,2477 Susanna Av IVREA, and Rosala De TOSCANE.

Rosela married Arnold II Count Of FLANDERS 1601,2112,2747 about 968.2475 Arnold was born in December 961 in , Flanders, Nord, France,2713 died on 30 March 987 in Chapel DE St Laurent, France 2475 at age 25, and was buried between 30 March 987 and 989.

Rosela next married Robert II "The Pious" King Of FRANCE 1601,2468,2469,2470 before 1 April 988 in 2ND Husband 1St Wife - Repudiated 992.2473 Robert was born on 27 March 972 in Orleans, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France,2471 died on 20 July 1031 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France 1524,2468,2471 at age 59, and was buried in St Denis Abbey, Ile-DE-France, France.

128710215526. Count In Moselgau Frederick I Count Of Salm & LUXEMBOURG,415,1601,1746,2287,2288 son of Siegfried Count Of LUXEMBOURG and Hedwig Countess Of LUXEMBOURG, was born about 965 in Moselgau, France 2287 and died on 6 October 1019 in Chateau DE Salm, Luxembourg 2287 about age 54. Another name for Frederick was Frederick I Count Of SALM & Luxembourg.

General Notes: Frederick I of Luxembourg, b. c 965, d. 1019, Count of Salm and Luxembourg; m. before 995, Irmentrude of Gleiberg, daughter of Herbert I, d. 992, Count in the Kinziggau, Count of Gleiberg, by his wife Irmentrude (Herbert I was son of Udo, Count in the Wetterau, by his wife a daughter of Herbert I, Count of Vermandois. [Ancestral Roots]

Frederick married Irmtrud Countess Of GLEIBERG 1601,2287,2289,2290 before 995 in Of, Lorraine, France.2287 Irmtrud was born about 970 in Gleiberg, Hesse, Germany.

Frederick next married Countess Of Luxembourg ERMENTRUDE.1601 Countess was born in <Of, , Moselgau, France> and died in Y.

128710215527. Irmtrud Countess Of GLEIBERG,415,1601,1746,2287,2289,2290 daughter of Count Of Gleiberg Heribert Count In KINZIGGAU & Kinzigau and Irmintrud Countess Of AVALGAU, was born about 970 in Gleiberg, Hesse, Germany.

General Notes: Irmentrude of Gleiberg, daughter of Herbert I, d. 992, Count in the Kinziggau, Count of Gleiberg, by his wife Irmentrude (Herbert I was son of Udo, Count in the Wetterau, by his wife a daughter of Herbert I, Count of Vermandois). [Ancestral Roots]

Note: Turton has Ermentrude (no last name) as daughter of Mengasus, d. 1001, by Gerberge, daughter of Godfrey (no last names). Mengasus & Gerberge look to be her maternal grandparetns. I am following AR above.

Irmtrud married Count In Moselgau Frederick I Count Of Salm & LUXEMBOURG 1601,2287,2288 before 995 in Of, Lorraine, France.2287 Frederick was born about 965 in Moselgau, France 2287 and died on 6 October 1019 in Chateau DE Salm, Luxembourg 2287 about age 54. Another name for Frederick was Frederick I Count Of SALM & Luxembourg.

128710215528. Richwin Count Of VERDUN 415,1444,2748 was born about 875 in Verdun, Meuse, Lorraine, France and died in 923 in Aachen, Rheinland, Prussia 2748,2749 about age 48.

Richwin married Cunégonde Of The WEST FRANKS 1784,2432,2748 about 920 in 2ND Husband.2748 Cunégonde was born about 890 in Aix-La-Chapelle [Aachen], Rhineland, Prussia 2748 and died after 923 1784. Another name for Cunégonde was Kunigunde Von FRANCIA.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Otto Count Of LORRAINE was born about 920 in Lorraine, France and died in 955 about age 35.

64355107764       ii.  Siegfried Count Of LUXEMBOURG (born about 922 in Aachen, Rhineland, Prussia - died on 15 August 998)


128710215529. Cunégonde Of The WEST FRANKS,415,1444,1784,2432,2748,2750 daughter of Régnier I Longicullus, Count Of HAINAULT and Ermentrude Princess Of FRANCE, was born about 890 in Aix-La-Chapelle [Aachen], Rhineland, Prussia 2748 and died after 923 1784. Another name for Cunégonde was Kunigunde Von FRANCIA.

General Notes:
Cunegonde, daughter of Ermentrude by unknown father, b. ca 890; m. (1) Wigeric, d. 919, Count in the Triergau, Count Palatine of Aachen; m. (2) ca. 920, Richwin, d. 923, Count of Verdun. [Ancestral Roots line 143-18]

The following information was supplied by Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann@yahoo.com (Note that Stewart Baldwin discounted the pedigree outlined below where Giselbert was 3rd husband of Cunegonde and father of Siegfried; among other reasons were that Reignar being husband of Ermentrude would account for many of the onomastic evidence; I have chosen to represent that relationship instead of a 3rd husband for Cunegonde):

Birth: ABT 890 in Aachen, Rheinland, Prussia

Not to flog a dead horse, but France did not exist at this time & "Rheinland, Prussia" did not exist until nearly 1,000 years later. Until 923, when Charles the Simple was deposed, it was part of the kingdom of the West Franks & after 923 it was part of the kingdom of the East Franks under Henry I of Saxony.

My notes (sorry, quite long) on Cunegonde/Kunegunde gdau of Louis II king of West Franks:

Enkelin von Kg Ludwig d Stammler [Ref: ES VI:127] (granddaughter of King Louis the Stammerer...Curt)

Kunigunde (dau. of Ermentrud dau. of Louis II) married twice - first before 910 to the count palatine Wigerich (d. before 919) and secondly in about 920 to Richwin (d.923) count of Verdun. A charter of Charles III of 911/15 to Wigerich (comes Widricus) names W's wife and one of his sons, Adelbero, whom the king says is his (the king's) nephew (nostri nepotis). [Ref: Richard Borthwick 28 Mar 1998]

To my knowledge, there is no documentary evidence for the identity of Kunigund's father. Reginar I, count of Hainaut (father of Giselbert, duke of Lorraine and son of another Giselbert), has been suggested as one possibility, apparently for onomastic reasons. (Kunigund had a grandson named Reginar, and a son named Giselbert.) [Ref: Stewart Baldwin 16 Mar 2002]

Kunigunde, who was married twice: first with the Pfalzgrafen Wigerich, count in the Bidgau (+ 916 or 918), in second with the count Richwin von Verdun (murdered 923). She is the foundress of two family trunks. [Ref: The controversy over the marriage of the count Otto von Hammerstein, A consequence-fraught church-political decline in discipline by Dr. Johannes Jacobi http://www.burg-hammerstein.de/pageID_746207.html]

Cunegonde, dau. of Ermentrude, herself a daughter of King Louis II (king of France) 9892, married 1) to Wigeric, count of the Palace of Charles III, + between 916 and 919; married 2) to Ricuin, count of Verdun. She had 7 children, 3 of whom were born to Wigeric, namely Adalbero, bishop of Metz, Liutgarde and Gozlin [Ref: Thierry Stasser 18 Nov 2002 citing: Michel Parisse, genealogie de la Maison d'Ardenne, in Publications de la section historique de l'Institut grand Ducal de Luxembourg, vol. 95, 1981, pp 17-40]

Research note: speculation flws:
A paper was brought to my attention that deals with Siegfried of Luxembourg and his origin. It's "Wer Waren die Eltern des Grafen Sigfrid? Eine neue Hypothese zum Ursprung des ersten Luxemburger Grafenhauses", by René Klein, published in Annuaire - A.L.G.H. - Jahrbuch 1998, page 8-27, with 14 geanlogical charts.

The author reflects on the earlier efforts to shed light on Siegfried's origins. Investigators like Depoin (1904, 1907), Kimpen (1954), Brière (1962), Haag (1963), Settipani (1994), Wolf (1994) and the resulting consangineus (im-)possibilities. Then he turns to the known evidence regarding Siegfried and his kin.

With the identity of his mother as Kunigunde as a starting point he looks at the Latin terminology like "patruus", "germanus" and "frater and their classic and medieval meanings, and the evidence from the contemporary records. An evaluation of this leads to his conclusion that Kunigunde married 3 times:

1. Wigerich (c.907), with Adalbero, Gozlin and Liutgard as children,
2. Richwin + 923,
3. Giselbert + 939, duke of Lorraine 928-939.

For Giselbert it was his first marriage. This must have been in 923 or the following year. From this marriage Friedrich, Giselbert and Sigebert/Sigfrid must stem. In 929 Kunigunde must have died and king Heinrich I gave him his daughter Gerberga (just in the marriageble age) as wife. From this marriage came a son Heinrich and 2 or 3 daughters: Wiltrud, Alberada and possible Hedwig. Giselbert drowned in 939 and Geberga was married in the same year to the French Ludwig IV. [Ref: Hans Vogels <h.vogels6@chello.nl> 17 Apr 2003 message to Gen-Medieval] Note: Giselbert = ID 4575... Curt

What is the evidence put forward for this? It is not hard to guess that part of the argument will be onomastic (e.g., the presence of the name Giselbert among Siegfried's relations). However, even if you accept the presence of the name as indicating a relationship, that is certainly not enough to nail down any specific connection. What other evidence is advanced for the claim? [Ref: Stewart Baldwin]

Stewart,
René Klein mentions 5 consequences from this choice:
1. Onomastic. Its gives a good explanation for the names Giselbert in de next three generations (brother, son and grandson of Siegfried). The name Reginar for a son of Gozlin can be explained as following: Giselbert was the step-father of Gozlin so Giselberts own brother Reginar could therefore be the godfather of the stepgrandson.

2. The marriage between Friedrich (Siegfrieds brother) and Beatrix, the sister of Hugo Capet en Hedwig, sister of Geberga and Otto I becomes clear. Friedrich had met the princess at the French court because his stepmother Geberga married king Ludwig IV. And Friedrich was a relative of the said Ludwig IV by means of his mother Kunigunde, daughter of Irmentrud, daughter of Ludwig II, the grandfather of Ludwig IV.

3. The relationship between empress Kunigunde, daughter of Siegfried, and empress Agnes, the wife of Heinrich III as "consanguineae" can be satisfyingly explained. Agnes was a daughter of Irmentrud, daughter of Alberade, daugther of duke Giselbert, the father of Siegfried.

4. It also sheds light on the reason why in 1017 at the marriage of Mathilde, descendant of Gozlin, with Reginar V of Hennegau, descendant of Reginar (+ 915), emperor Heinrich II the objections - of being too consanguineous - of bishop Gerhard of Cambrai did not check.

Renn (1941) tried to determine the consanguinity between them through Reginar, the aledged husband of Irmintrud and father of Kunigunde, but came to a forbidden 4th degree. He suspected that the emperors motives to stay silent were political.

In the hypothesis of Klein both marriage partners were just relatives in the 5th degree:
Duke Otto of Sachsen-Uda-Uda-Godfrid-Hermann-Mathilde x 1017
Duke Otto of Sachsen-Heinrich I-Hedwig-Hugo Capet-Hedwig-Reginar V x 1017
Heinrich II spoke out energeticly at the synod of Diedenhofen 1004/5 for a ban on marriages in the 3th and 4th degree and got his way. His suggestion to stick to the canonical 7 th degree as being the allowed degree of consanguity did not get through. The marriage of 1017 was of such a degree that he did not need to act.

5. After all those earlier attempts the mysterious adressing of Sigfrid as "imperatorius frater" has now been solved. Giselbert, Sigfrids father, had secondly married Geberga, the sister of Otto I. The children of this marriage were therefore the "stiefgeschwister" (halfbrother/sisters) of Sigfrid. He was thus a "stiefvetter" (stepcousin) of emperor Otto II. As we have seen before, that the meaning "vetter" (cousin) can be translated with "frater" (brother), and that often no difference was made, just like today, between halfbrothers and full brothers, the adressing of Sigfrid can be translated as imperial stepcousin. This thus explains why there is no mentioning of Sigfrid as a relative of the Ottonen (no actual kinship existed) and why nevertheless Sigfrid and his son Sigfrid stood in a special way to the Ottonen. Therefore Kunigunde could marry Heinrich II without any obstacles regarding Church Law.

One can argue that duke Giselbert could not marry Kunigunde. His grandfather Giselbert kidnapped and married in 846 a daughter of emperor Lothar I.

Ludwig I- Lothar I- N.N.x Giselbert-Reginar-Giselbert x Ludwig I-Karl-Ludwig II-Irmintrud-Kunigunde x
Against this objection one can point out that in the charters the father of Reginar never is mentioned by name. Furthermore it is not definitely decided if we have to accept Reginar (+ 876) or Giselbert, earl in the "pagus Masau", as grandfather of duke Giselbert. Others are against the association of the earl of the "pagus Masau" with Giselbert the kidnapper. If ever this can be proved, it still does not need to be an argument against my hypothesis.

The synode of Diedenhofen was in 1004/5 and Giselbert and Kunigunde were married around 924. As the synode spoke of abuses, the marriages in the 3th and 4th degree must have been more frequently as the sources tell.

This according to René Klein. I hope my translation did justice to the text of the paper. [Ref: Hans Vogels <h.vogels6@chello.nl> 22 Apr 2003 message to Gen-Medieval]

In #3 of your post today, you stated concerning Agnes, wife of the Emperor Henry III, that
"The relationship between empress Kunigunde, daughter of Siegfried, and empress Agnes, the wife of Heinrich III as "consanguineae" can be satisfyingly explained. Agnes was a daughter of Irmentrud, daughter of Alberade, daugther of duke Giselbert, the father of Siegfried."

This construction conflates Agnes of Poitou, daughter of Guillaume V of Aquitaine and wife of Henry III, with her mother Agnes of the Franche-Comte, daughter of Otto-William of the Franche-Comte and Irmintrud/Ermentrude de Roucy. [Ref: John P. Ravilious 22 Apr 2003]

Research note: Kunigunde von Francia married (1) Wigeric von Aachen; married (2) Eberhard IV von Nordgau; married (3) Richwin de Verdun. [Ref: Utz 4 Jan 1999 citing: Royalty for Commoners & Weis AR7] Note: Eberhard IV was her son-in-law in most reliable sources (which RfC definitely is not)... my opinion only... Curt

Regards,
Curt

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To add a little data to Cunegonde/Kundegunde:

born: 890/895 [Ref: ES II:1] abt 870/90 [Ref: Moriarty Plantagenet p126] abt 890 [Ref: Moriarty Plantagenet p21, Weis AR7 143] abt 895 [Ref: Settipani Capet #7], mother: [Ref: ES II:1, Moriarty Plantagenet p21, 126, & 247, Settipani Capet #7, Weis AR7 143]

Research note 1: brother: Duke Gieselbert of Lotharingia [Ref: Donald Jackman 7 Dec 2000]

Research note 2: Citing Renn, it is stated that the father of Wigerich's wife Kunigund was probably Reginar of Hainaut (father of duke Giselbert of Lorraine), called a a "well-supported reconstruction" by Professor Jackman. He also makes an onomastic argument that Siegfried's (of Luxemburg, son of Cunigunde) wife Hadwige was a daughter of Giselbert of Lorraine. Now, since it is not reasonable to suppose that Siegfried and Hadwige were first cousins, it is impossible for both of the above reconstructions to be true if Siegfried was Kunigund's son... Although I still remain undecided about identity of Siegfried's father, the standard scenario that Siegfried was either a sbling or half-sibling of Wigerich's children seems well supported to me. [Ref: Stewart Baldwin 16 Mar 2002]

Research note 3: To my knowledge, there is no documentary evidence for the identity of Kunigund's father. Reginar I, count of Hainaut (father of Giselbert, duke of Lorraine and son of another Giselbert), has been suggested as one possibility, apparently for onomastic reasons. (Kunigund had a grandson named Reginar, and a son named Giselbert.) [Ref: Stewart Baldwin 16 Mar 2002]

married Wigeric: 907/909 [Ref: ES VI:127] before 910 [Ref: Moriarty p126] first marriage of Cunegunde [Ref: Moriarty Plantagenet p247, Settipani Capet #7, Weis AR7 143], names: [Ref: ES II:1, Moriarty Plantagenet p21]

married 2nd Richwin/Ricuin: about 920 [Ref: Weis AR7 #143] abt 920 [Ref: Moriarty Plantagenet p21] second marriage of Cunegunde [Ref: ES VI:127, Moriarty Plantagenet p247]

died: after 930 [Ref: Settipani Capet #7] nach (after) 923 [Ref: ES VI:127]

Regards,
Curt

Cunégonde married Wigeric De La Troesgau, Count Palatine Of AACHEN,2432,2748,2751 son of Sigebert Of VERDUN and Kunigund Of PROVENCE, in 910 in 1st Husband 2748.,2751 Wigeric was born about 882 in Trier, Rhrinland-Pfalz, Germany 2520 and died before June 919 1784,2748,2749,2751,2752,2753. Other names for Wigeric were Wigeric Count Palatine Of AACHEN,2748 Wigeric Von AACHEN,2752 Wigeric, Count Palatine Von AACHEN, Wigeric, Pfalzgraf Von AACHEN, Wigeric Count Of Triergau & ARDENNES, Wigric (Wigerich) Count In The BIDGAU, Wigerich Count Of LUXEMBOURG, Wigeric De La Thiergau, Count Of LUXEMBURG, Wigeric Of Luxemburg, Comte De La THIERGAU, Wigeric De TREVES, Wigéric De TRÈVES, Wigeric, Count Of TRIER AND ARDENNES, TRIERGAU AND ARDENNES, Wigeric Count Of TRIESGAU,1784 TROESGAU, Wigeric, and Count Of VERDUN.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Gonzelon (Gozelo) Comte De ARDENNES was born about 910 in Aachen, Rheinland, Prussia 2754 and died on 18 October 943 in Ardennes, Champagne-Ardenne, France 1784,2520,2754 about age 33. Other names for Gonzelon were Gozelin I, ARDENNERGAU, Gozelo Von ARDENNES, Gozelin, Graf Von BIDGAU, Gozelon, and Count Of VERDUN.

                  ii.  Adalberto, Bishop Of METZ was born before 910 2520 and died in 962 2520.

                 iii.  Friedrich I (Ferry) Duke Of Upper LORRAINE was born about 912 in Aachen, Rheinland, Prussia and died on 23 August 994 about age 82.

                  iv.  Frédéric I Of Bar, Duke Of UPPER LORRAINE was born in 912 in Aachen, Rhineland, Germany and died on 23 August 994 at age 82. Other names for Frédéric were LORRAINE, Frederick I, and Duke Of LORRAINE.

                   v.  Luitgarde De Treves, Countess Of LUXEMBURG was born in 915 and died after 8 April 960 2520. Other names for Luitgarde were Luitgard Of CHINY, Luitgard De Tries Of LUXEMBOURG, Bertha Of METZ, Liutgard Of METZ, Luitgarde Of METZ, and Lieutgarde Of TRIER.

                  vi.  Sigebert was born living 942.

                 vii.  Giselbert, Graf In Den ARDENNEN was born about 915 and died about 965 about age 50.

Cunégonde next married Richwin Count Of VERDUN 2748 about 920 in 2ND Husband.2748 Richwin was born about 875 in Verdun, Meuse, Lorraine, France and died in 923 in Aachen, Rheinland, Prussia 2748,2749 about age 48.

128710215530. Eberhard IV Von Hohenburg Count Of NORDGAU,415,1444,2519,2755 son of Hugues I Count Of LOWER-ALSACE and Hildegarde De FERRETTE, was born about 910 in Alsace, France 2520 and died in 966 2520,2755 about age 56. Other names for Eberhard were Gerard, Ebergard, Count Of ALSACE, Eberhard IV De ALSACE, Eberhard, Count In The ALSATIAN NORDGAU, Eberhard Iii, Count Von LAHNGAU, Eberhard IV Count Of LOWER-ALSACE, Ebergard, and Count In The NORDGAU.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 18 December 973.

Eberhard married Luitgarde (Bertha) Von METZ.2755 Luitgarde was born about 915 in Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France. Another name for Luitgarde was Luitgarde Of LUXEMBOURG.

Children from this marriage were:

64355107765        i.  Hedwig Countess Of LUXEMBOURG (born about 923 in Luxembourg, , France - died on 13 December 992)

                  ii.  Hugues III Count Of Lower-Alsace & EGISHEIM was born about 940 in Alsace, France and died in 984 in Eguisheim, Haute-Rhin, Alsace, France 2755 about age 44. Other names for Hugues were Hugues III Count Of LOWER-ALSACE & Egisheim, and Hugo V Count Of NORDGAU & Egisheim.

128710214778     iii.  Gerhard I Von Hohenburg Count Of ALSACE (born about 945 in Equisheim, Alsace, France - died in 1024)


128710215531. Luitgarde (Bertha) Von METZ,415,2755 daughter of Adalbert III (Adalhard) Count Von METZ and Luitgarde D' ARDENNES, was born about 915 in Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France. Another name for Luitgarde was Luitgarde Of LUXEMBOURG.

Luitgarde married Eberhard IV Von Hohenburg Count Of NORDGAU 2519.,2755 Eberhard was born about 910 in Alsace, France 2520 and died in 966 2520,2755 about age 56. Other names for Eberhard were Gerard, Ebergard, Count Of ALSACE, Eberhard IV De ALSACE, Eberhard, Count In The ALSATIAN NORDGAU, Eberhard Iii, Count Von LAHNGAU, Eberhard IV Count Of LOWER-ALSACE, Ebergard, and Count In The NORDGAU.

128710215532. Konrad Count Of RHEINGAU,1784 son of Udo Count Of WETTERAU and Countess Of Wetterau Cunegundis De VERMANDOIS, was born in 910 in Schwaben, Germany.

General Notes: Alan Wilson, apparently has this Konrad being the same person as Conrad I of Alsace, born 915, elsewhere in my file. His ancestry ends up with the same great-grandfather (Geberhard of NiederLandgau), who is father of both Eberhard of Niederlandgau and Gebhard of Wettergau, but does not go through Udo Count of Wetterau, as AR does. Richard Borthwick states that this is the latest thinking of several genealogists, as indicated in the latest edition of ES, but that not everyone agrees. I am NOT following Alan's line, but have given Konrad of Rheingau as an alias to Konrad of Alsace, who Alan states is the same person. @@check ancestry

Konrad married Judith (Jutta) Von MARCHTAL,1784 daughter of Adalbert Count Von MARCHTAL and Miss Von ZURICHGAU. Judith was born about 930 in Zurich, Switzerland and died in 992 about age 62.

Children from this marriage were:

64355107766        i.  Count Of Gleiberg Heribert Count In KINZIGGAU & Kinzigau (born in 914 in Kinzig River Valley, Hesse, Germany - died in 992 in Gleiberg, Hesse, Germany)

                  ii.  Herman II Duke Of SWABIA was born in 950 in Schwaben, Germany and died on 4 May 1003 2756 at age 53.

                 iii.  Lutold Von MOMPELGARD was born about 975 in Mompelgard, Germany and died after 1044.


128710215533. Judith (Jutta) Von MARCHTAL,415,1784 daughter of Adalbert Count Von MARCHTAL and Miss Von ZURICHGAU, was born about 930 in Zurich, Switzerland and died in 992 about age 62.

Judith married Konrad Count Of RHEINGAU,1784 son of Udo Count Of WETTERAU and Countess Of Wetterau Cunegundis De VERMANDOIS. Konrad was born in 910 in Schwaben, Germany.

128710215534. Megingoz (Mengasus\Meingaud) Count Of AVALGAU 415,1601,1746,1784,2351,2757 was born about 925 in Avalgau, Germany and died in 1001 2758 about age 76. Another name for Megingoz was Meingaud Von MAINGAU.

Megingoz married Gerberge Of LORRAINE,1784,2757 daughter of Godefroi, Count Palatine Of LORRAINE and Ermentrude Princess Of FRANCE. Gerberge was born about 930 in Lorraine, France and died about 995 1784 about age 65.

Children from this marriage were:

64355107767        i.  Irmintrud Countess Of AVALGAU (born in 918 in , Avalgau, , Germany)

                  ii.  Amalrade Of AVALGAU was born about 970 in Avalgau, Germany.


128710215535. Gerberge Of LORRAINE,415,1784,2757 daughter of Godefroi, Count Palatine Of LORRAINE and Ermentrude Princess Of FRANCE, was born about 930 in Lorraine, France and died about 995 1784 about age 65.

Gerberge married Megingoz (Mengasus\Meingaud) Count Of AVALGAU 1601,1784,2351.,2757 Megingoz was born about 925 in Avalgau, Germany and died in 1001 2758 about age 76. Another name for Megingoz was Meingaud Von MAINGAU.

128710215536. Anslec De BERTRAND 415 was born about 915 in Bastembourg, Normandy, France.

Anslec married.

The child from this marriage was:

64355107768        i.  Thurstan (Toussaint) Bastembourg De MONTFORT (born about 942 in Bastembourg, Normandy, France - died about 1023 in Montfort-Sur-Risle, Eure, Normandy, France)


128710215548. Ralph (Raoul) Comte D' IVRY,415,2005,2740,2759 son of Asperling De VAUDREUIL and Sprota (Sporta) De SENLIS, was born about 943 in Bayeux, Calvados, Normandy, France and died in Ivry-La-Bataille, Eure, Normandy, France. Another name for Ralph was Raoul I Comte De BAYEUX.

General Notes:
The following information was contained in a post-em from Curt Hofemann:

Count d'Ivry [Ref: Tompsett, Wm Conqueror]
half-brother: Richard I Duke of Normandy [Ref: ES III:694A]

...Richard the Fearless' mother, Espriota, married, in the troublous times of his boyhood, a rich countryman called Sperling. They had a son called Raoul of Ivry, who seems to have been high in power and favor with the second Richard, his half-brother... [Ref: The Normans by Sarah Orne Jewett, Chapter V, DUKE RICHARD THE GOOD http://www.public.coe.edu/~theller/soj/nor/nor05.html]

Douglas mentions a 'half' brother of Richard, who assumed the title of count between 1006 and 1011. p.89 A clearer example of the acquisition by a feudal family of lands which had earlier been part of the ducal demesne, can be seen in the descent of the possessions of Count Rudolf, half-brother to Duke Richard I. Among the lands held by this man were estates situated on the Risle near Saint Philibert; estates on the Eure, including Concherel, Jouy, and, it would seem, Pacy; lands dependent on Breteuil; and lands centred on Ivry. Many of these lands, particularly those on the Eure, were inextricably intermingled with the earliest demesne of the Norman duke and must have come to Rudulf through his stepfather or his half-brother. Their subsequent devolution is thus of particular interest. Part of Ivry lands went to the count's eldest son Hugh, bishop of Bayeux, while the barony of Saint Philibert passed through the count's second son, John bishop of Avranches, to that cathedral church. But the larger part of Rudolf's possessions, including the honour of Pacy and the district honour of Breteuil, descended through the count's daughter, Emma, to her husband Osbern, the steward of Duke Robert I, and one of the guardians of the infant William. [Ref note: the previous URL of the online source of this is no longer valid & a google.com search did not show a new URL ... Curt 01/01/03]

The ducal family of Normandy early determined to have an historiographer whom they sought in France, one Dudon, dean of the chapter of St. Quentin, who between 1015-30 wrote in Latin half verse, half prose, a history of the family according to the traditions and accounts transmitted to him by Raoul, Count of Ivry grandson of Rollo and brother of Richard I Alinea. [Ref: Catholic Encyclopedia http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11104a.htm]

Happy New Year
Regards,
Curt

Ralph married Erneburge De CAUX,2760 daughter of Canville De CAUX and Unknown, in 1st Wife.1778 Erneburge was born about 945 in Pays-DE-Caux, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died before 989.

Children from this marriage were:

64355107774        i.  Ancitel Vicomte De BAYEUX (born in 972 in Bayeux, Calvados, Normandy, France)

                  ii.  Hugh Bishop De BAYEUX was born about 980 in Ivry-La-Bataille, Eure, Normandy, France and died in Bayeux, Calvados, Normandy, France.

Ralph next married Albreda 2761 before 989 in 2ND Wife. Albreda was born about 960 in Normandy, France.2761

The child from this marriage was:

                   i.  Emma De IVRY was born about 990 in Ivry-La-Bataille, Eure, Normandy, France and died before 1034. Another name for Emma was Alberade De BAYEUX.


128710215549. Erneburge De CAUX,415,2760 daughter of Canville De CAUX and Unknown, was born about 945 in Pays-DE-Caux, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died before 989.

Erneburge married Ralph (Raoul) Comte D' IVRY,2005,2740,2759 son of Asperling De VAUDREUIL and Sprota (Sporta) De SENLIS, in 1st Wife.1778 Ralph was born about 943 in Bayeux, Calvados, Normandy, France and died in Ivry-La-Bataille, Eure, Normandy, France. Another name for Ralph was Raoul I Comte De BAYEUX.

128710215550. Berengal De SENLIS,415 son of Robert I De PERONNE and Unknown, was born in 975 in Senlis, Oise, Picardy, France.

Berengal married.

The child from this marriage was:

64355107775        i.  Poppa De SENLIS (born in 996 in Senlis, Oise, Picardy, France)


128710216704. Gwaithfoed "Fawr" Ap GWYNNAN Lord Of Powys,505,1034 son of Gwynnan Ap GWYNNOG and Unknown, was born about 922 in Powys, Wales.1034

Gwaithfoed married Morfudd Verch YNYR. Morfudd was born about 925 in Gwent, Monmouthshire, Wales.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Elystan Ap GWAITHFOED was born about 953 in Powys, Wales.1034

64355108352       ii.  Gwerystan Ap GWAITHFOED Baron Powys (born in 954 in Powys, Wales)


128710216705. Morfudd Verch YNYR,505 daughter of Ynyr "Ddu" Ap DYFNWAL King Of Gwent and Unknown, was born about 925 in Gwent, Monmouthshire, Wales.

Morfudd married Gwaithfoed "Fawr" Ap GWYNNAN Lord Of Powys.1034 Gwaithfoed was born about 922 in Powys, Wales.1034

128710216706. Cadell Ap BROCHWEL,505,1034 son of Brochwel and Unknown, was born in 928 in Wales.1034

Cadell married.

The child from this marriage was:

64355108353        i.  Nest Verch CADELL (born about 956 in Powys, Wales)


128710216708. Owain Ap HYWEL King Of Deheubarth,247,505,1034,1117,2297 son of Hywel "Ddu\The Good" Ap CADELL King Of Wales and Elen Verch LLYWARCH, was born in 913 in Dynevor Castle, Llandyfeisant, Carmarthenshire, Wales 1034 and died in 989 247 at age 76.

General Notes:
Owain and his two brothers, Rhodri, d. 953, & Edwin, d. 954, were jointly kings of Deheubarth (Seisyllwg and Dyfed). The youngest, Owain, was sole king from 954.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 988. 2297

Owain married Angharad Verch LLEWELYN,1034 daughter of Llywelyn Ap MERFYN and Unknown. Angharad was born in 918 in Llandeilo, Carmarthenshire, Wales.1034

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Einion Ap OWAIN was born about 933 in Deheubarth, Wales 1034 and died in 984 in Gwent, Monmouthshire, Wales (Dvp) 247,1034,2297 about age 51.

64355108354       ii.  Maredudd Ap OWAIN (born in 938 in Dynevor Castle, Carmarthenshire, Wales - died in 999)

                 iii.  Iestyn Ap OWAIN was born about 950 in Deheubarth, Wales.


128710216709. Angharad Verch LLEWELYN,505,1034 daughter of Llywelyn Ap MERFYN and Unknown, was born in 918 in Llandeilo, Carmarthenshire, Wales.1034

Angharad married Owain Ap HYWEL King Of Deheubarth,247,1034,1117,2297 son of Hywel "Ddu\The Good" Ap CADELL King Of Wales and Elen Verch LLYWARCH. Owain was born in 913 in Dynevor Castle, Llandyfeisant, Carmarthenshire, Wales 1034 and died in 989 247 at age 76.

128710216720. Elystan Ap GWAITHFOED,505,1034 son of Gwaithfoed "Fawr" Ap GWYNNAN Lord Of Powys and Morfudd Verch YNYR, was born about 953 in Powys, Wales.1034

Elystan married.

The child from this marriage was:

64355108360        i.  Morgeneu Ap ELYSTAN (born about 987 in Powys, Wales)


128710216724. Marchan Ap Cynwrig,1034 son of Cynwrig Ap Cynddelw and Unknown, was born about 928 in Efenechtid, Denbighshire, Wales.1034

Marchan married.

The child from this marriage was:

64355108362        i.  Rhys Ap MARCHAN (born about 980 in Efenechtid, Denbighshire, Wales)


128710216728. Iorwerth Ap Llywelyn,1034 son of Llywelyn "Eurdorchog" Ap Coel and Efa Ferch Bleddyn, was born about 1080 in Denbighshire, Wales.1034

Iorwerth married.

The child from this marriage was:

64355108364        i.  Dolffyn Ap Iorwerth (born in Denbighshire, Wales)


128710216732. Gronwy Ap Hwfa,1034 son of Hwfa Ap Ithel and Yslani Ferch Gruffudd, was born in Denbighshire, Wales.1034

Gronwy married.

The child from this marriage was:

64355108366        i.  Iorwerth "Swdrgrin" Ap Gronwy (born in Denbighshire, Wales)


128710216736. Elystan "Glodrydd" Ap Cuhelyn,1034 son of Cuhelyn Ap Ifor and Gwen Ferch Gronwy, was born about 982 in Radnorshire, Wales 1034 and was buried in Trelystan, Montgomeryshire, Wales.1034

Elystan married Gwenllian Ferch Einion,1034 daughter of Einion Ap OWAIN and Nesta Of DEVON. Gwenllian was born about 961 in Deheubarth, Wales.1034

The child from this marriage was:

64355108368        i.  Cadwgon Ap Elystan (born about 975 in Radnorshire, Wales)


128710216737. Gwenllian Ferch Einion,1034 daughter of Einion Ap OWAIN and Nesta Of DEVON, was born about 961 in Deheubarth, Wales.1034

Gwenllian married Elystan "Glodrydd" Ap Cuhelyn,1034 son of Cuhelyn Ap Ifor and Gwen Ferch Gronwy. Elystan was born about 982 in Radnorshire, Wales 1034 and was buried in Trelystan, Montgomeryshire, Wales.1034

128710216738. Llawr 1034 was born about 967 in Wales.1034

Llawr married Lleucu Ferch Maredudd,1034 daughter of Maredudd Ap OWAIN and Unknown. Lleucu was born about 972 in Deheubarth, Wales.1034

The child from this marriage was:

64355108369        i.  Angharad Ferch Llawr (born about 992 in Wales)


128710216739. Lleucu Ferch Maredudd,1034 daughter of Maredudd Ap OWAIN and Unknown, was born about 972 in Deheubarth, Wales.1034

Lleucu married Llawr.1034 Llawr was born about 967 in Wales.1034

128710216752. Einion Ap OWAIN,247,505,1034,2297 son of Owain Ap HYWEL King Of Deheubarth and Angharad Verch LLEWELYN, was born about 933 in Deheubarth, Wales 1034 and died in 984 in Gwent, Monmouthshire, Wales (Dvp) 247,1034,2297 about age 51.

Einion married Nesta Of DEVON.1034 Nesta was born about 934 in Devonshire, England.1034

Children from this marriage were:

64355108409        i.  Gwenllian Verch EINION (born about 956 in Dynevor Castle, Llandilo, Carmarthenshire, Wales)

64355108392       ii.  Gronwy Ab EINION (born about 959 in Deheubarth, Wales)

64355108376      iii.  Cadell Ab EINION (born about 964 in Deheubarth, Wales - died about 1018)

128710216737      iv.  Gwenllian Ferch Einion (born about 961 in Deheubarth, Wales)

                   v.  Cadell Ap Einion was born about 953 in Deheubarth, Wales.1034


128710216753. Nesta Of DEVON 505,1034 was born about 934 in Devonshire, England.1034

Nesta married Einion Ap OWAIN 247,1034.,2297 Einion was born about 933 in Deheubarth, Wales 1034 and died in 984 in Gwent, Monmouthshire, Wales (Dvp) 247,1034,2297 about age 51.

128710216754. Gwerystan Ap GWAITHFOED Baron Powys,505,1034 son of Gwaithfoed "Fawr" Ap GWYNNAN Lord Of Powys and Morfudd Verch YNYR, was born in 954 in Powys, Wales.1034

Gwerystan married Nest Verch CADELL,1034 daughter of Cadell Ap BROCHWEL and Unknown. Nest was born about 956 in Powys, Wales.1034

128710216755. Nest Verch CADELL,505,1034 daughter of Cadell Ap BROCHWEL and Unknown, was born about 956 in Powys, Wales.1034

Nest married Gwerystan Ap GWAITHFOED Baron Powys,1034 son of Gwaithfoed "Fawr" Ap GWYNNAN Lord Of Powys and Morfudd Verch YNYR. Gwerystan was born in 954 in Powys, Wales.1034

128710216768. Meurig Ab IDWAL "Foel",505,1034,1386 son of Idwal "Foel" Ap ANARAWD and Afandreg Verch MERFYN, was born about 920 in Aberffro, Malltraeth, Anglesey, Wales 1034 and died in 986 1034 about age 66.

Meurig married.

The child from this marriage was:

64355108384        i.  Idwal Ap MEURIG (born about 940 in Aberffro, Malltraeth, Anglesey, Wales - died in 996 in Battle Of Penmyn, Penmynydd, Anglesey, Wales)


128710216772. Pill Ap Cynwrig,1034 son of Cynwrig Ap Cynddelw and Unknown, was born about 930 in North Wales.1034

Pill married.

The child from this marriage was:

64355108386        i.  Gwair Ap PILL (born about 949 in Anglesey, Wales)


128710216776. Olaf Cuarajn Sitricsson King Of York & DUBLIN,505,2525,2526 son of Sitric (Sygtrygg) Caoch King Of York & DUBLIN and Edith (Edgyth) Princess Of ENGLAND, was born before 928 in Dublin, Ireland and died in 981 in Iona, Ireland 2525,2526. Another name for Olaf was Olaf Cuarajn Sitricsson King Of YORK & Dublin.

General Notes: [Source: Brian Thompsett] Acceded 945. Abdicated in 980. King of York 943. King of Northumberland. Which wife was the mother of which child is an issue for debate between sources.

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Olaf SIHTRICSON, byname (in sagas) OLAF THE RED, or OLAF CUARAN, Olafalso spelled ANLAF (d. 981?, Iona?), king of the Danish kingdoms of Northumbria and of Dublin. He was the son of Sihtric, king of Deira, and was related to the English King Aethelstan. When Sihtric died about 927 Aethelstan annexed Deira,and Olaf took refuge in Scotland and in Ireland until 937, when he was one of the leaders of the formidable league of princes that was destroyedby Aethelstan at the famous Battle of Brunanburh. Again he sought a home among his kinsfolk in Ireland, but just after Aethelstan's death in 940 he or Olaf Guthfrithson was recalled to England by the Northumbrians. Both crossed over, and in 941 the new English king, Edmund, gave up Deira to the former. The peace between the English and Danes did not, however, last long. Wulfstan, archbishop of York, sided with Olaf; but in 944 Olaf was driven from Northumbria by Edmund, and crossing to Ireland, Olaf ruled over the Danish kingdom of Dublin. From 949 to 952 he was again king of Northumbria, until he was expelled once more (this time by Erik Bloodaxe), and he passed the remainder of his active life in warfare in Ireland. But in 980 his dominion was shattered by the defeat of the Danes at the Battle of Tara. He went to Iona, where he died probably in 981, although one dubious account says he was in Dublin in 994. [Britannica CD '97]

Olaf married Gormflaith Ingen Murchada Mac Finn Of LEINSTER,2762 daughter of Murchad Mac Finn King Of LEINSTER and Miss Na CONNACHT, in 1st Husband.2525 Gormflaith was born about 950 in Leinster, Ireland and died in 1030 in Kincora, Munster, Ireland 2762 about age 80.

Children from this marriage were:

64355108388        i.  Sitric "Silken Beard" King Of DUBLIN & York (born about 970 in Dublin, Ireland - died in 1042 in York, Yorkshire, England)

                  ii.  Harald Of DUBLIN was born about 975 in Dublin, Ireland and died in 999 2526 about age 24.


128710216777. Gormflaith Ingen Murchada Mac Finn Of LEINSTER,415,505,2762 daughter of Murchad Mac Finn King Of LEINSTER and Miss Na CONNACHT, was born about 950 in Leinster, Ireland and died in 1030 in Kincora, Munster, Ireland 2762 about age 80.

Gormflaith married Brian Boroimhe Na Munster King Of IRELAND 2764 before 985 in 2ND Husband 2ND Wife.2763 Brian was born in 942 in Kincora, Munster, Ireland and died on 23 April 1014 in Battle Of Clontarf, Dublin, Ireland 2762 at age 72. Another name for Brian was Brian BORUM King Of Ireland.

The child from this marriage was:

                   i.  Donnchad Ua BRIAIN King Of Munster was born about 985 in Leinster, Ireland and died in 1064 on Pilgrimage To Rome 2765 about age 79. Another name for Donnchad was Donnchad Ua Briain King Of MUNSTER.

Gormflaith next married Olaf Cuarajn Sitricsson King Of York & DUBLIN,2525,2526 son of Sitric (Sygtrygg) Caoch King Of York & DUBLIN and Edith (Edgyth) Princess Of ENGLAND, in 1st Husband.2525 Olaf was born before 928 in Dublin, Ireland and died in 981 in Iona, Ireland 2525,2526. Another name for Olaf was Olaf Cuarajn Sitricsson King Of YORK & Dublin.


128710216778. Brian Boroimhe Na Munster King Of IRELAND,415,505,2764 son of Cineadh Na MUNSTER and Be Bind O'FLAHERTY, was born in 942 in Kincora, Munster, Ireland and died on 23 April 1014 in Battle Of Clontarf, Dublin, Ireland 2762 at age 72. Another name for Brian was Brian BORUM King Of Ireland.

General Notes:
Brian Boru, son of the Gaelic King Cennetig of Munster,was born in the 930s. In 960 Brian's brother Mahoun became king. Munster was plagued by Viking raids, and Brian was determined to fight back. He managed to unite Munster's rival royal clans, the Delcassians (to which he and Mahoun belonged) and the Eoghanists, and led them to victory against the Vikings of Limerick. But the Eoghanists grew jealous of the Delcassian clan's power and formed an alliance with the Vikings. Two Eoghanists princes, Donovan and Moalmua, invited King Mahoun to dinner and treacherously murdered him. Brian declared war on the Eoghanists and their Viking allies and destroyed them.

By 984 Brian was the ruler of the southern half of Ireland. To strengthen his authority in the north he arranged a marriage between his daughter and Sitric Silkbeard, the Viking king of Dublin. Brian himself married Sitric's mother, Gormflaith. Brian's power grew, and in 1002 he became the high king of all Ireland. But when Brian's son Morrough insulted Queen Gormflaith's brother Maelmurra, the king of Leinster, Maelmurra declared war on Brian. Gormflaith eventually joined Maelmurra, and together they convinced Sitric to raise a Viking army against Brian.

Brian and Sitric's armies met at Clontarf, near Dublin, on April 23, 1014. During the battle Brian, who was in his 80s, remained in his tent. He was kneeling in prayer when a group of Vikings slipped in and killed him. Despite the loss of its leader Brian's army triumphed; the Vikings' rule in Ireland was ended.

The O'Briens, one of the few native Irish families with a peerage, descend in the male line from Brian Boroimhe, Prince of Thomond (North Munster or the north part of southwest Ireland, roughly commensurate with an area centered on modern Co. Clare) and Chief of the Dalgais, who became High King of Ireland 1002 and was killed at the victory over the Danes of Clontarf 23 April 1014. [Burke's' Peerage, p. 1495]

Noted events in his life were:

• Ruled: 1002-1014

Brian married Eachraidh Ui Aeda ODBA after 966 in 2ND Husband 1St Wife. Eachraidh was born about 947 in Eireann, Ireland and died about 980 about age 33.

Children from this marriage were:

128710214807       i.  Blanaid Nic BRIAN Of Munster (born about 968 in Munster, Ireland)

                  ii.  Tadhg (Teige) O'BRIEN King Of Munster was born about 973 in Clare, Munster, Ireland and died in 1022 about age 49.

64355108389      iii.  Slani O'BRIEN (born about 980 in Kincora, Munster, Ireland)

Brian next married Gormflaith Ingen Murchada Mac Finn Of LEINSTER,2762 daughter of Murchad Mac Finn King Of LEINSTER and Miss Na CONNACHT, before 985 in 2ND Husband 2ND Wife.2763 Gormflaith was born about 950 in Leinster, Ireland and died in 1030 in Kincora, Munster, Ireland 2762 about age 80.

128710216779. Eachraidh Ui Aeda ODBA,415,505 daughter of Charllus Ui Aeda ODBA and Unknown, was born about 947 in Eireann, Ireland and died about 980 about age 33.

Eachraidh married Gilla-Patraic Na OSSORY King Of Ossory in 1st Husband - Divorced ?. Gilla-Patraic was born about 943 in Ireland and died in 996 about age 53.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Aife Na OSSORY was born about 965 in Ireland.

                  ii.  Tadg Mac Gillapatrick Na OSSORY was born about 966 in Ireland and died about 1027 about age 61.

Eachraidh next married Brian Boroimhe Na Munster King Of IRELAND 2764 after 966 in 2ND Husband 1St Wife. Brian was born in 942 in Kincora, Munster, Ireland and died on 23 April 1014 in Battle Of Clontarf, Dublin, Ireland 2762 at age 72. Another name for Brian was Brian BORUM King Of Ireland.

128710216780. Tuathal King Of LEINSTER,505 son of Ugaire King Of LEINSTER and Unknown, was born in 890 in Leinster, Ireland and died in 956 at age 66.

Tuathal married.

The child from this marriage was:

64355108390        i.  Dunlaing King Of LEINSTER (born in 920 in Leinster, Ireland - died in 1014)


128710216784. Einion Ap OWAIN,247,505,1034,2297 son of Owain Ap HYWEL King Of Deheubarth and Angharad Verch LLEWELYN, was born about 933 in Deheubarth, Wales 1034 and died in 984 in Gwent, Monmouthshire, Wales (Dvp) 247,1034,2297 about age 51.

Einion married Nesta Of DEVON.1034 Nesta was born about 934 in Devonshire, England.1034

128710216785. Nesta Of DEVON 505,1034 was born about 934 in Devonshire, England.1034

Nesta married Einion Ap OWAIN 247,1034.,2297 Einion was born about 933 in Deheubarth, Wales 1034 and died in 984 in Gwent, Monmouthshire, Wales (Dvp) 247,1034,2297 about age 51.

128710216792. Gwaithfoed "Fawr" Ap CLODIEN Of Powys,505,1034 son of Clodien Ap GWRYDR Of Powys and Morfydd Verch OWAIN, was born about 964 in Powys, Wales 1034 and died in 1057 about age 93.

General Notes:
Note: From the notes below there appears to be a difference of opinion about when Gwaithfoed lived. Harold died 1066 (of course), which fits with Gwaithfoed's death date of 1057. But Edgar lived from 943 to 975, so if he was contemporary with both, he lived a long and prosperous life, marrying both early and very late in life, which is how I portray him.

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All of the following information came from Jane Williams Flank, World Connect db=jwflank, rootsweb.com:

Gwaethfoed, Lord of Cardigan and Gwynfai (d 1057), lived in the time of Harold the Saxon; m. Morfydd, dau. of Ivor (or Ynyr), King of Gwent, and one of his heirs. [Annals and Antiquities of Wales II:208]

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Gwaethvoed was contemporary with Edgar, king of Saxons, and was, in conformity with the vassalage of those periods, summoned, with other Welsh chieftains, by Edgar, to meet him at Chester, to row him, in his royal barge, on the river Dee, in proof of his fealty. Gwaethvoed, in answer to his summons, said he could not row, and that he would not, if he could, except it were to save a person's life, whether king or vassal. Edgar sent a second and very imperious message, which Gwaethvoed did not seem at all to notice, until the messenger begged to know what reply he should deliver to the king; when Gwaethevoed, in the Welsh language, answered thus: 'Say to him, fear him who fears not death.: This stern reply, discovering at once to Edgar the fearless unbending character he had to deal with, he prudently changed his autocratic decree into a desire of mutual friendship, and going to Gwaethvoed, gave the chief his hand in pledge of his sincerity. Gwaethvoed married Morfydd, one of the daughters and co-heirs of Ivor, king or lord of Gwent. [Burke's Commoners III:387]

Sources:

Annals and Antiquities of the Counties and County Families of Wales; Dr Thomas Nicholas {1875}, p. II:208.

Ancestors of Evelyn Wood Keeler; Josephine C Frost {1939}, p. 425
Note: Cites as references for Welsh lineages: Royal Families of England, Scotland, Wales: Volume I & 2; Genealogical Tables of the Sovereigns of the World; Maunder's Biographical Treasures; Universial Biography; etc.

The Mathew Mathes Family in America, I C VanDeventer {1929}, Page: 13.

History of the Commoners of Great Britain and Ireland, John Burke {1834-1838}, III:387

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, Abt 924.

Gwaithfoed married Unknown First WIFE. Unknown was born about 964 in Wales.

The child from this marriage was:

64355108396        i.  Neiniad Ap GWAETHFOED (born about 982 in Wales)

Gwaithfoed next married Morfudd Verch YNYR in 2ND Wife ?. Morfudd was born about 990 in Gwent, Monmouthshire, Wales.

The child from this marriage was:

                   i.  Gwilym Ap GWAITHFOED Lord Of Gwynfai was born about 1010 in Gwynfai, Cardiganshire, Wales.


128710216793. Unknown First WIFE 505 was born about 964 in Wales.

Unknown married Gwaithfoed "Fawr" Ap CLODIEN Of Powys,1034 son of Clodien Ap GWRYDR Of Powys and Morfydd Verch OWAIN. Gwaithfoed was born about 964 in Powys, Wales 1034 and died in 1057 about age 93.

128710216796. Tewdwr Ap YNYR Lord Of Hereford 505,1034,2527 was born in 903 in Denbighshire, Wales 1034,2527 and died in 948 1034 at age 45. Another name for Tewdwr was Tudur TREFOR.

General Notes:
Tudur Trefor; born c900; married Angharad, daughter of Hywell "Ddu" ("The Good"), King of Wales. [Burke's Peerage]

Tewdwr married Angharad Verch HYWEL,1034,2527 daughter of Hywel "Ddu\The Good" Ap CADELL King Of Wales and Elen Verch LLYWARCH. Angharad was born about 907 in Dynev, Llan, Carmarthenshire, Wales.1034

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Gronwy Ap TEWDWR was born about 924 in Denbighshire, Wales.

64355108398       ii.  Lluddica Ap TEWDWR Lord Of Chirk (born about 940 in Denbighshire, Wales - died in 1037)

                 iii.  Gronwy Ap Tudur was born about 940 in Denbighshire, Wales.1034


128710216797. Angharad Verch HYWEL,505,1034,2527 daughter of Hywel "Ddu\The Good" Ap CADELL King Of Wales and Elen Verch LLYWARCH, was born about 907 in Dynev, Llan, Carmarthenshire, Wales.1034

General Notes:
Angharad, daughter of Hywell "Ddu" ("The Good"), King of Wales. [Burke's Peerage]

Angharad married Tewdwr Ap YNYR Lord Of Hereford 1034.,2527 Tewdwr was born in 903 in Denbighshire, Wales 1034,2527 and died in 948 1034 at age 45. Another name for Tewdwr was Tudur TREFOR.

128710216798. Iago Ab IDWAL,505,1034 son of Idwal "Foel" Ap ANARAWD and Mereddon Verch CADWR, was born about 908 in Gwynedd, Wales 1034 and died in 979 1034 about age 71.

Iago married.

The child from this marriage was:

64355108399        i.  Angharad Verch IAGO (born about 958 in Gwynedd, Wales)


128710216800. Gollwyn Ap Ednywain,1034 son of Ednywain Ap Bleddyn and Unknown, was born about 919 in Powys, Wales.1034

Gollwyn married.

The child from this marriage was:

64355108400        i.  Gwyn Ap Gollwyn (born about 947 in Powys, Wales)


128710216808. Seisyll Ap EDNYWAIN,505,1034 son of Ednowain and Unknown, was born in 938 in Wales.1034

Seisyll married Prawst Verch ELISE,1034 daughter of Elise Ap ANARAWD and Elise Ap Anarawd. Prawst was born about 940 in Gwynedd, Wales.1034

The child from this marriage was:

64355108404        i.  Llywelyn Ap SEISYLL Prince Of North Wales (born in 980 in Rhuddlan, Flintshire, Wales - died in 1023)


128710216809. Prawst Verch ELISE,505,1034 daughter of Elise Ap ANARAWD and Elise Ap Anarawd, was born about 940 in Gwynedd, Wales.1034

Prawst married Seisyll Ap EDNYWAIN,1034 son of Ednowain and Unknown. Seisyll was born in 938 in Wales.1034

128710216812. Leofric III Earl Of MERCIA,415,505,1034,2010 son of Leofwine I Earl Of MERCIA and Alwara ATHELSTANSDOTTIR, was born on 14 May 978 in Chester, Cheshire, England (Mercia) 1034 and died on 31 August 1057 in Bromley, Staffordshire, England (Mercia) 1034,2010,2743 at age 79.

General Notes: Bef 1032 - became Earl of Mercia. [Encyclopaedia Britannica]

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, 14 May 968. Chester, Cheshire, England (Mercia)

Leofric married Lady Godiva Of COVENTRY Lady Godiva,2010 daughter of Thorold Of COVENTRY and Unknown, before 1030.2010 Godiva was born about 1010 in Buckinghamshire, England 2010 and died on 10 September 1067 in Coventry, Warwickshire, England (Mercia) about age 57. Another name for Godiva was Godiva Of BUCKINGHAM Lady Godiva.

128710216813. Lady Godiva Of COVENTRY Lady Godiva,415,505,2010 daughter of Thorold Of COVENTRY and Unknown, was born about 1010 in Buckinghamshire, England 2010 and died on 10 September 1067 in Coventry, Warwickshire, England (Mercia) about age 57. Another name for Godiva was Godiva Of BUCKINGHAM Lady Godiva.

General Notes:
This is the famous Lady Godiva. She complained constantly to her husband that the taxes were too high on the townspeople of Coventry. He finally said that he would reduce the taxes if she would ride nude through the marketplace on market day. She arranged for all of the men to remain inside and covered her entire body, except her legs, with her hair. Supposedly one person named Tom did not remain inside during her ride and became known as "Peeping Tom". Leofric eliminated all taxes, except for one on horses. During Edward I's reign, a check was made and the only tax in Coventry was one on horses. Since 1678 the town of Coventry still celebrates the ride during its annual fair.

Warwickshire - the Domesday Book in 1086

Perhaps one of the most famous early personalities of the period was Lady Godiva (Godwa or Godgifu) who allegedly rode naked the streets of Coventry in Warwickshire as a protest against her husband's high taxes on the people of the city. This husband, Earl Leofric, a Saxon Earl of Mercia, died an old man in 1057, nine years before the Norman Conquest. They seemingly had issue, at least one daughter, who married into the Malet family. 29 years after her husband's death, Lady (Countess) Godiva held many estates in Warwickshire, including Coventry, as revealed by the Domesday Book in 1086. Chronologically, either Leofric had married a child bride, or Lady Godivawas a very old woman at the time of the Domesday Survey in 1086. The former is the most likely. The lordships bestowed on Lady Godiva in Warwickshire by William the Conqueror in 1066 were considerable, probably the result of an alliance struck either with Leofric or Lady Godiva before the Conquest. Since, Lady Godiva was a wealthy woman in 1057, and still wealthy after the Conquest, it is not likely she displayed herself in protest after that date, since she would have been protesting her own taxation. She apparently inherited her lands and titles in 1057. Therefore, the event in question probably took place, if at all, several years before 1057, when, young and innocent, the impatient and passionate Lady Godiva, appalled by her aging husband's despotic ways, leapt on her nag and took to the streets of Coventry in all her naked glory, perhaps too young to realize that within a few short years she would be in full control of all the taxation of her husband's considerable holdings at the time of his death, holdings which she carried through to at least 1086. [Ref: <http://www.genealogyweb.com/Warwickshire.htm>]

Godiva married Leofric III Earl Of MERCIA,1034,2010 son of Leofwine I Earl Of MERCIA and Alwara ATHELSTANSDOTTIR, before 1030.2010 Leofric was born on 14 May 978 in Chester, Cheshire, England (Mercia) 1034 and died on 31 August 1057 in Bromley, Staffordshire, England (Mercia) 1034,2010,2743 at age 79.

128710216814. Sigeferth (Siferth) Thegn Of The Seven BOROUGHS 415,505,2531 was born about 985 in Wessex, England and died in 1015 in (Killed) 2531 about age 30.

Sigeferth married Ealgyth (Ealdgyth) Of MERCIA,1416,2531,2578,2580 daughter of Aelfthryth Of MERCIA and Ealdgyth Morcarsdottir Of MERCIA, in 1st Husband.2531 Ealgyth was born about 993 in Mercia, England.

128710216815. Ealgyth (Ealdgyth) Of MERCIA,415,505,1416,2531,2578,2580 daughter of Aelfthryth Of MERCIA and Ealdgyth Morcarsdottir Of MERCIA, was born about 993 in Mercia, England.

Ealgyth married Sigeferth (Siferth) Thegn Of The Seven BOROUGHS 2531 in 1st Husband.2531 Sigeferth was born about 985 in Wessex, England and died in 1015 in (Killed) 2531 about age 30.

Ealgyth next married Edmund II "Ironside" King Of ENGLAND,1416,2578,2579 son of Aethelred II "The Unready" King Of WESSEX and Alffaed (Ealflaed\Aelfgifu) THOREDSDOTTIR, in August 1015 in London, Middlesex, England (2ND Husb).2579 Edmund was born about 993 in Wessex, England 1416,2579 and died on 30 November 1016 in Oxfordshire, England 1416,2578,2579 about age 23.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, 989. 2578

• Ruled: 1016-1016

128710216816. Cuhelyn Ab IFOR,505 son of Ifor Ap SEFERWS and Isabel Verch TRYFFIN, was born in 907 of Powys, Wales.

Cuhelyn married Gwen Verch GRONWY, daughter of Gronwy Ap TEWDWR and Tangwystl Verch DYFNWAL. Gwen was born about 940 in Denbighshire, Wales.

The child from this marriage was:

64355108408        i.  Elystan Glodryd Ap CUHELYN Of Buillth (born about 956 in Buillth, Breconshire, Wales - died in Cefndigoll, Wales)


128710216817. Gwen Verch GRONWY,505 daughter of Gronwy Ap TEWDWR and Tangwystl Verch DYFNWAL, was born about 940 in Denbighshire, Wales.

Gwen married Cuhelyn Ab IFOR, son of Ifor Ap SEFERWS and Isabel Verch TRYFFIN. Cuhelyn was born in 907 of Powys, Wales.

128710216818. Einion Ap OWAIN,247,505,1034,2297 son of Owain Ap HYWEL King Of Deheubarth and Angharad Verch LLEWELYN, was born about 933 in Deheubarth, Wales 1034 and died in 984 in Gwent, Monmouthshire, Wales (Dvp) 247,1034,2297 about age 51.

Einion married Nesta Of DEVON.1034 Nesta was born about 934 in Devonshire, England.1034

128710216819. Nesta Of DEVON 505,1034 was born about 934 in Devonshire, England.1034

Nesta married Einion Ap OWAIN 247,1034.,2297 Einion was born about 933 in Deheubarth, Wales 1034 and died in 984 in Gwent, Monmouthshire, Wales (Dvp) 247,1034,2297 about age 51.

128710216820. Ithel Ab IDWALLON Of Morgannwg,505 son of Idwallon Ap MORGAN Of Morgannwg and Unknown, was born about 953 in Morgannwg, Gwlad, Wales and died in 1042 about age 89.

Ithel married.

The child from this marriage was:

64355108410        i.  Gwrgan Ab ITHEL Of Morgannwg, Lord Of Glamorgan (born about 978 in Morgannwg, Wales - died after 1045)


128710217152. Count Of Ober-Rheingau Rutpert (Robert) III Of WORMSGAU,415,1444,1601,1746,1784,2537,2766 son of Rutpert II Count Of Upper Rhine & WORMSGAU and Theoderata (Tiedrada) Of WORMSGAU, was born about 789 in Worms, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany 2766 and died in 834 1784,2766,2767 about age 45. Other names for Rutpert were Robert, Guiguin Rupert Iii, Count In WOMGAU, WORMGAU, Rupert Iii, and Count Von WORMSGAU.2767

Rutpert married Countess Wiltrud (Waltrada) Of TOULOUSE,1601,1784,2766 daughter of William I Count Of TOULOUSE Saint and Gilbour Of HORNBACH, in <Of, , , France>. Wiltrud was born about 795 in <Of, , , France> and died in 812 about age 17. Other names for Wiltrud were Wiadruth,2042 Wialdruth,2537 Wiltrud, Wiltrude, and2042 Wialdruth Of ORLEANS.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Count Guntram Of WORMSGAU was born about 815 in <Of, , , France> and died in Y.

                  ii.  Countess Oda Of WORMSGAU was born about 818 in <Of, , , France> and died in Y.

64355108576      iii.  Count Of Orleans Robert "Fortis\The Strong" Duke Of FRANCE (born in 820 of Anjou, Blois, Tours, Auxerre, Nevers, France - died on 15 September 866 in Brissarthe, Anjou, France (Slain By Northmen Of Normandy))


128710217153. Countess Wiltrud (Waltrada) Of TOULOUSE,415,1444,1601,1746,1784,2766,2767 daughter of William I Count Of TOULOUSE Saint and Gilbour Of HORNBACH, was born about 795 in <Of, , , France> and died in 812 about age 17. Other names for Wiltrud were Wiadruth,2042 Wialdruth,2537 Wiltrud, Wiltrude, and2042 Wialdruth Of ORLEANS.

Wiltrud married Count Of Ober-Rheingau Rutpert (Robert) III Of WORMSGAU,1601,1784,2766 son of Rutpert II Count Of Upper Rhine & WORMSGAU and Theoderata (Tiedrada) Of WORMSGAU, in <Of, , , France>. Rutpert was born about 789 in Worms, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany 2766 and died in 834 1784,2766,2767 about age 45. Other names for Rutpert were Robert, Guiguin Rupert Iii, Count In WOMGAU, WORMGAU, Rupert Iii, and Count Von WORMSGAU.2767

128710217154. Hugues III Count Of Upper ALSACE,415,505,1444,1601,1746,1784,2323,2768,2769 son of Luitfride II Count Of Upper ALSACE and Hiltrude Countess Of Upper ALSACE, was born in 765 in Upper, Alsace, France and died on 4 November 839 in Tours, Indre-Et-Loire, Touraine/Centre, France 2770,2771 at age 74. Other names for Hugues were Huges, Hugh, Hugh III Of ALSACE, Hugh II Comte De TOURS, Hugh The Magnificent, Count Of TOURS, Hughs III Of TOURS, Hugo, Count Of TOURS, Hugo, and Greve Av TOURS.

Hugues married Ava Countess Of Upper ALSACE 1601,1784.,2770 Ava was born about 779 in Tours, Indre-Et-Loire, Touraine/Centre, France and died in 860 about age 81. Other names for Ava were Aba, Ada, Bara, and Bava.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Luitfried III Count Of Upper ALSACE was born in 797 in Alsace, France and died in 865 in Tours, Indre-Et-Loire, Touraine/Centre, France 2539 at age 68. Another name for Luitfried was Liutfried I Duke De TOURS.

                  ii.  Hugh Comte De BOURGES was born about 798 in Tours, Indre-Et-Loire, Touraine/Centre, France and died after 853 in Bourges, Cher, Berry/Centre, France.

                 iii.  Bertha De TOURS was born about 800 in Tours, Indre-Et-Loire, Touraine/Centre, France.

                  iv.  Empress Of Holy Roman Emp Ermengarde De TOURS was born about 800 in Tours, Indre-Et-Loire, Touraine/Centre, France, died from 20 March 850 to 851 1447,2768,2772 about age 50, and was buried in Abbaye D'erstein, Strasbourg, Alsace, France. Other names for Ermengarde were Irmgard, Irmengarde Of ALSACE, and Ermengarde Of ORLÉANS.2768

                   v.  Adela De TOURS was born about 802 in Of, Tours, , France and died in Y.

64355108577       vi.  Adelaide, Imperial Princess Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE (born in 819 in Tours, Indre-Et-Loire, Touraine/Centre, France - died on 15 September 866)


128710217155. Ava Countess Of Upper ALSACE 415,505,1444,1601,1746,1784,2770 was born about 779 in Tours, Indre-Et-Loire, Touraine/Centre, France and died in 860 about age 81. Other names for Ava were Aba, Ada, Bara, and Bava.

Ava married Hugues III Count Of Upper ALSACE,1601,1784,2769 son of Luitfride II Count Of Upper ALSACE and Hiltrude Countess Of Upper ALSACE. Hugues was born in 765 in Upper, Alsace, France and died on 4 November 839 in Tours, Indre-Et-Loire, Touraine/Centre, France 2770,2771 at age 74. Other names for Hugues were Huges, Hugh, Hugh III Of ALSACE, Hugh II Comte De TOURS, Hugh The Magnificent, Count Of TOURS, Hughs III Of TOURS, Hugo, Count Of TOURS, Hugo, and Greve Av TOURS.

128710217156. Pepin I, Count Of SENLIS, ST. QUENTIN, AND PERONNE,415,1011,1444,1601,1746,2773 son of Bernard I King Of ITALY and Cunigunde Of PARMA, was born in 817 in Vermandois, Normandy, France 1436,2321,2773,2774 and died after 840 in Milan, -, Italy 1436,2321,2773,2774. Other names for Pepin were Karlmann, Paepin, Pippin, Pepin Count Of PERONNE Count Near Paris,1784 Pepin, Count Of PERONNE,2774 Pepin II Count Of SENILIS, PERONNE AND ST. QUENTIN, Pepin Comte De VERMANDOIS, and Pepin De VERMANDOIS.

Pepin married Perrone Of VERMANDOIS,1601 daughter of Theoderic, Count Of VERMANDOIS and Unknown. Perrone was born about 830 in Of, , , France.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Bernard Count Of SENLIS was born about 844 in Of, Vermandois, Neustria 1436 and died from 28 January 892 to 893 about age 48.

                  ii.  Pépin II Count Of SENLIS [& Bretagne] was born about 846 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France and died from after 28 January 892 to 893 in Senlis, Oise, Picardy, France 1011. Another name for Pépin was Pepin I De VERMANDOIS Comte De Senlis.

64355108578      iii.  Hubert I De Caroling, First Count Of VERMANDOIS AND SENLIS (born about 840 in Vermandois, Normandy, France - died in 900 in Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France (Murdered))

                  iv.  Beatrix De VERMANDOIS was born in 854 in Vermandois, Normandy, France.

                   v.  Miss De VERMANDOIS was born about 850 in Of, Vermandois, Normandy, France.


128710217157. Perrone Of VERMANDOIS,1444,1601,1746 daughter of Theoderic, Count Of VERMANDOIS and Unknown, was born about 830 in Of, , , France.

Perrone married Pepin I, Count Of SENLIS, ST. QUENTIN, AND PERONNE,1011,1601,2773 son of Bernard I King Of ITALY and Cunigunde Of PARMA. Pepin was born in 817 in Vermandois, Normandy, France 1436,2321,2773,2774 and died after 840 in Milan, -, Italy 1436,2321,2773,2774. Other names for Pepin were Karlmann, Paepin, Pippin, Pepin Count Of PERONNE Count Near Paris,1784 Pepin, Count Of PERONNE,2774 Pepin II Count Of SENILIS, PERONNE AND ST. QUENTIN, Pepin Comte De VERMANDOIS, and Pepin De VERMANDOIS.

128710217158. Guerri I Comte De MORVOIS 415,1444,2541,2544 was born about 820 in Morvois, France and died on 25 August 866 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France about age 46. Another name for Guerri was Guerra I, Count Of MORVOIS.

Guerri married Eve De ROUSSILLON,2544 daughter of Gerard De ROUSSILLON Count Of Paris and Bertha De TOURS. Eve was born about 830 in Roussillon, Isère, Rhône-Alpes, France.

The child from this marriage was:

64355108579        i.  Countess Of Vermandois Bertha (Beatrice) De MORVOIS (born about 860 in Morvois, France)


128710217159. Eve De ROUSSILLON,415,1444,2541,2544 daughter of Gerard De ROUSSILLON Count Of Paris and Bertha De TOURS, was born about 830 in Roussillon, Isère, Rhône-Alpes, France.

Eve married Guerri I Comte De MORVOIS.2544 Guerri was born about 820 in Morvois, France and died on 25 August 866 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France about age 46. Another name for Guerri was Guerra I, Count Of MORVOIS.

128710217160. Ludolph Duke Of SAXONY,415,505,1444,1601,1746,2775 son of Bruno Duke Of East SAXONY and Oda, was born about 816 in Saxony, Germany 1447,2775 and died from 12 March 865 to 866 1784,2318 about age 49. Another name for Ludolph was Liudolf Von Sachsen, Margrave En SAXE ORIENTALE.

Ludolph married Oda Billung Of THURINGIA,1784,2775 daughter of Billung Of SAXONY and Aeda Of FRANKS, about 835.2318 Oda was born about 817 in Saxony, Germany 2318 and died on 17 May 913 1447,1784 about age 96. Other names for Oda were Oda BILLUNG,2318 Oda Billung Of SAXONY, and Oda Of SAXONY.

Children from this marriage were:

64355108580        i.  Count In South Thuringia Otto "The Illustrious" Duke Of SAXONY (born about 836 in Saxony, Germany - died on 30 November 912)

                  ii.  Luitgarde Of SAXONY was born about 848 in Saxony, Germany.

                 iii.  Oda Of SAXONY was born about 850 in Saxony, Germany and died after 874 1784.

Ludolph next married Hedwige Of FRIULI, daughter of Conte Unroch (Hunroch) I Margrave Of FRIULI and Engeltron Of PARIS. Hedwige was born about 820 in Friuli, Italy and died in 903 about age 83.

The child from this marriage was:

                   i.  Queen Waldrada (Valtrude) Of LORRAINE was born about 840 in Saxony, Germany and died after 868 1447,1784,2776. Other names for Waldrada were Valtrude, Waldrada,2777 Walrade, Waldrata Of ALSACE, and Waldrade Of LORRAINE.

Ludolph next married Duchess Hedwige SAXONY,1601 daughter of Marquis Eberhard Marchese Di FRIULI (UNRUOCHINGER) and Gisela, Imperial Princess Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE, in <Of, , Saxony, Germany>. Hedwige was born in 826 in , , Germany and died between 903 and 913 about age 77.

Ludolph next married Oda Of SAXONY 1601 in 816 in <, , , Saxony>. Oda was born in 810 in Of, , , Saxony and died in Y.

Marriage Notes: (Betrothed)


128710217161. Oda Billung Of THURINGIA,415,505,1444,1784,2775 daughter of Billung Of SAXONY and Aeda Of FRANKS, was born about 817 in Saxony, Germany 2318 and died on 17 May 913 1447,1784 about age 96. Other names for Oda were Oda BILLUNG,2318 Oda Billung Of SAXONY, and Oda Of SAXONY.

Oda married Ludolph Duke Of SAXONY,1601,2775 son of Bruno Duke Of East SAXONY and Oda, about 835.2318 Ludolph was born about 816 in Saxony, Germany 1447,2775 and died from 12 March 865 to 866 1784,2318 about age 49. Another name for Ludolph was Liudolf Von Sachsen, Margrave En SAXE ORIENTALE.

128710217162. Heinrich Of Thuringia, King Of AUSTRASIA Margrave In Friesland,415,505,1444,2553 son of Poppo I Count Of SAARGAU and Unknown, was born in 830 in Saargau, Bavaria, Germany, died on 28 August 886 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France (Slain In Battle) 2318,2550,2553,2556 at age 56, and was buried in St. Medard, Soissons.2318 Other names for Heinrich were Heinrich Margrave Of AUSTRASIA,1784 Heinrich, Margrave Of AUSTRASIA,2318 Heinrich, Dux AUSTRASIORUM, Heinrich, Margrave Of FRISIA, Heinrich Markgraf Of The NETHERLANDS,2550 Heinrich (Henry) Von SAARGAU, and Henry Of THURINGIA.

General Notes:
Most historians who accept this would derive the Popponid Babenburgs from Heinrich I von Babenburg, margrave in Friesland (Frisia), who was killed in battle near Paris on 20 August 886. His first wife was apparently an earlier Judith from the Unruoching family, daughter of the margrave Eberhard of Friuli and Gisela of Francia. Adalbert was the elder of two definite sons of this Heinrich and Judith, and was beheaded with his brother Adalhard at theres am Main on 9 September 906. Adalbert was possibly married (his wife is said to have been a Swabian lady named Brunhilda), but no children are recorded as far as I know. The only male-line descendants that are ascribed to his parents come through the _speculated_ relationship to count Heinrich, grandfather of the brothers Poppo, bishop of Würzburg and Heinrich, archbishop of Trier. Another _speculative_ sibling was Hadwig (b ca 953/5, died 24 December 903), first wife of Otto the Illustrious, duke of the Saxons, who of course has innumerable descendants. [Ref: Peter Stewart 30 Apr 2002]

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 28 October 886. 1784,2550

Heinrich married Judith (Ingeltrude) Of FRIULI,1784,2553 daughter of Marquis Eberhard Marchese Di FRIULI (UNRUOCHINGER) and Gisela, Imperial Princess Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE, in 1st Wife.2553 Judith was born about 837 in Friuli, Italy and died after 853. Other names for Judith were Judith Of FRIAUL, Judith De FRIOUL, Judith Waldrada Of FRIULI, Jutte Of FRIULI, Jeutte. Grafin Von SEULICHGAU, Jhutte Von SHULICHGAU, and Judith Of The SULICHGAU.

Children from this marriage were:

64355108581        i.  Empress Hedwige HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE (born in 856 in , , Germany - died on 24 December 903)

                  ii.  Berenger Count De BAYEUX was born in 847 in Bayeux, Calvados, Normandy, France and died in 886 in Viking Attack At Bayeaux, Normandy, France 1447,2778 at age 39. Other names for Berenger were Berenger De Senlis, Count Of BAYEUX, Pépin III Bérenger De Senlis, Comte De BAYEUX, and Berenguer De RENNES.

                 iii.  Henry.

                  iv.  Adelbert.

                   v.  Adalhard Of THURINGIA.

Heinrich next married Baba Of SPOLETO, daughter of Berenger King Of ITALY and Helletrude Princess Of ITALY, before 864 in 2ND Wife. Baba was born about 843 in Spoleto, Umbria, Italy.

The child from this marriage was:

                   i.  Adelaide (Adalinda\Adellinde) Von BABENBERG was born about 860 in Saargau, Bavaria, Germany and died after 915 2553.


128710217163. Judith (Ingeltrude) Of FRIULI,415,505,1444,1784,2553,2779 daughter of Marquis Eberhard Marchese Di FRIULI (UNRUOCHINGER) and Gisela, Imperial Princess Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE, was born about 837 in Friuli, Italy and died after 853. Other names for Judith were Judith Of FRIAUL, Judith De FRIOUL, Judith Waldrada Of FRIULI, Jutte Of FRIULI, Jeutte. Grafin Von SEULICHGAU, Jhutte Von SHULICHGAU, and Judith Of The SULICHGAU.

General Notes:
His [Heinrich I von Babenburg's] first wife was apparently an earlier Judith from the Unruoching family, daughter of the margrave Eberhard of Friuli and Gisela of Francia. [Ref: Peter Stewart 30 Apr 2002]

Noted events in her life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, After 2 April 840. 1784

Judith married Conrad II Welf, Markgrave Of TRANJURANIAN BURGUNDY,2539,2780 son of Conrad I Of Burgundy, Count Of PARIS AND AUXERRE and Adelaide, Imperial Princess Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE, in 1st Husband. Conrad was born in 825 in Auxerre, Yonne, Bourgogne, France 1447 and died in 881 1447,2539 at age 56. Other names for Conrad were Conrad Ii, Count De AUXERRE, Konrad II Of AUXERRE, Konrad Ii, Count Of AUXERRE,2540 Conrad II Margrave Of TRANSJURANIA, Conrad Ii, and Duke Of TRANSURANAL BURGUNDY.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Adalgunde Of BURGUNDY was born about 860 in Bourgogne, France and died about 902 about age 42.

                  ii.  Adalbert Iii, Graf Im ZÜRICHGAU.

Judith next married Adalbert II Count In The Thurgau SCHERRAGAU,2232,2400 son of Adalbert I Count Of Rhaetias & THURGAU and Unknown, after 863 in 2ND Husband. Adalbert was born in 825 in Germany and died on 8 January 899 at age 74. Other names for Adalbert were Adalbert II Von RHATIEN, Adalbert Ii, and Count Of THURGOVIE.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Berkhard Count Of Baar Marquis Of RHAETIA was born about 864 in Germany and died in 911 in Slain about age 47. Other names for Berkhard were Berkhard Of BAR, Burchard Von Thurgau, Margrave Von RATIEN, Buchard I, and Count De THURGOVIE.

                  ii.  Dietpirch Von RHATIEN was born about 865.

                 iii.  Adalbert III Count In The ZÜRICHGAU was born about 865 in Zurich, Switzerland and died in 911 about age 46.

Judith next married Heinrich Of Thuringia, King Of AUSTRASIA Margrave In Friesland,2553 son of Poppo I Count Of SAARGAU and Unknown, in 1st Wife.2553 Heinrich was born in 830 in Saargau, Bavaria, Germany, died on 28 August 886 in Paris, Seine, Ile-DE-France, France (Slain In Battle) 2318,2550,2553,2556 at age 56, and was buried in St. Medard, Soissons.2318 Other names for Heinrich were Heinrich Margrave Of AUSTRASIA,1784 Heinrich, Margrave Of AUSTRASIA,2318 Heinrich, Dux AUSTRASIORUM, Heinrich, Margrave Of FRISIA, Heinrich Markgraf Of The NETHERLANDS,2550 Heinrich (Henry) Von SAARGAU, and Henry Of THURINGIA.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 28 October 886. 1784,2550

128710217164. Immed Count Of SAXONY,415,505,1784 son of Walpert Count Von THRECWITGAU and Altburga (Alburgis) Of SAXONY, was born about 830 in Witgau, Germany and died before 892 in Ringleheim, Goslar, Hannover, Germany 1784. Another name for Immed was Reginhart I Count Von RINGLEHEIM.

General Notes: I don't know if Reginhart and Immed are two different names for the same person. They had the same father; but perhaps they were brothers?

Immed married Mathilda Of SAXONY,1784 daughter of Echbert Nobleman Of SAXONY and Ida Of SAXONY. Mathilda was born about 835 in Saxony, Germany and died about 915 1784 about age 80.

Children from this marriage were:

64355108582        i.  Theodoric I Count Of RINGLEHEIM (born in 853 in Ringleheim, Goslar, Hannover, Germany - died on 8 February 916-917)

                  ii.  Dietrich Count Von RINGLEHEIM was born about 867 in Ringleheim, Goslar, Hannover, Germany and died on 8 December 917 about age 50.

                 iii.  Wiltrud (Amalrada) Von RINGLEHEIM was born about 870 in Ringelheim, Goslar, Hannover, Prussia.


128710217165. Mathilda Of SAXONY,415,505,1784 daughter of Echbert Nobleman Of SAXONY and Ida Of SAXONY, was born about 835 in Saxony, Germany and died about 915 1784 about age 80.

Mathilda married Immed Count Of SAXONY,1784 son of Walpert Count Von THRECWITGAU and Altburga (Alburgis) Of SAXONY. Immed was born about 830 in Witgau, Germany and died before 892 in Ringleheim, Goslar, Hannover, Germany 1784. Another name for Immed was Reginhart I Count Von RINGLEHEIM.

128710217166. Godefrid King Of Haithabu & RUSTRINGEN,415,505,1444,1601,1746,2781 son of Harald II Klak Halfdansson King Of DENMARK and Sigrid HELGISDOTTIR, was born about 830 in Haithabu, Schleswig-Holstein, Germany and died in June 885 in Rustringen, Friesland, Netherlands (Killed) 2782 about age 55. Other names for Godefrid were Gottfried (Godefrid) "The Dane" Of FRIESLAND, and1784 Godefrid HARALDSSON King Haithabu & Rustringen.

General Notes:
The following is excerpted from a post by Stewart Baldwin, 18 Nov 1996:

From: Stewart Baldwin (sbald@auburn.campus.mci.net)
Subject: Danish kings, 8th & 9th centuries
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 1996/11/18

Godefrid, son of Harald [AB 852], an unsuccessful claimant to the Danish throne in 855. He attacked Frisia in 852 [AB], and then made peace with Charles the Bald in 853 [AB]. With his kinsman Rorik (see below), he went to Denmark in 855 [AB], in an attempt to gain power there after the civil war of 854, but their attempts were unsuccessful, and they returned to their base in Dorestad. It is not clear whether this Godefrid is the same person as the Danish Viking of that name who was active in the period 882-885, married Gisla (daughter of Lothar II) in 882, was granted lands which Rorik had previously held, and was killed in 885. [See AF 882-5].

Godefrid married Matilda FRIESLAND 1601 in <Of, , , Germany>. Matilda was born about 820 in Of, Friesland, , Germany.

The child from this marriage was:

64355108583        i.  Roghildis Ludmilla Von FRIESLAND (born about 860 in Friesland, Niedersachsen, Germany - died in 917)

Godefrid next married Gisela Princess Of LORRAINE,1601,1784,2781 daughter of Lothar II The Saxon, King Of LORRAINE and Queen Waldrada (Valtrude) Of LORRAINE, in 882 in 2ND Wife.2781 Gisela was born about 869 in Reims, Lorraine, France and died before 27 October 907 1784. Other names for Gisela were Gisela De LORRAINE, and Gisela De LOTHARINGIA.

The child from this marriage was:

                   i.  Raginhilde Von FRIESLAND was born about 883 in Friesland, Niedersachsen, Germany and died in 917 about age 34.


128710217167. Matilda FRIESLAND 415,505,1601,1746 was born about 820 in Of, Friesland, , Germany.

Matilda married Godefrid King Of Haithabu & RUSTRINGEN,1601,2781 son of Harald II Klak Halfdansson King Of DENMARK and Sigrid HELGISDOTTIR, in <Of, , , Germany>. Godefrid was born about 830 in Haithabu, Schleswig-Holstein, Germany and died in June 885 in Rustringen, Friesland, Netherlands (Killed) 2782 about age 55. Other names for Godefrid were Gottfried (Godefrid) "The Dane" Of FRIESLAND, and1784 Godefrid HARALDSSON King Haithabu & Rustringen.

128710217736. Godfrey (Gozeline) Vicomte D' ARQUES,415,2783 son of Osbern I De BOLBEC Seigneur Of Longueville and Avelina (Wevia) "Not" De CREPON, was born about 987 in Longueville-Sur-Scie, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died after 1035 in Arques-La-Bataille, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.

Godfrey married.

The child from this marriage was:

64355108868        i.  Godfrey Vicomte D' ARQUES (born about 1010 in Arques-La-Bataille, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France)


128710217738. Jocelyn (Gozelin) Vicomte De ROUEN 415,2335 was born about 982 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.

Jocelyn married Emma Of NORMANDY, daughter of William I "Longsword" Duke Of NORMANDY and Luitgarde De VERMANDOIS. Emma was born about 985 in Normandy, France and died living in 1012 about age 27.

The child from this marriage was:

64355108869        i.  Amelie De ROUEN (born about 1010 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France)


128710217739. Emma Of NORMANDY,415,1444 daughter of William I "Longsword" Duke Of NORMANDY and Luitgarde De VERMANDOIS, was born about 985 in Normandy, France and died living in 1012 about age 27.

Emma married Jocelyn (Gozelin) Vicomte De ROUEN.2335 Jocelyn was born about 982 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.

128710220896. Shratlingus URSUSSON,415,2018 son of Ursus Of DENMARK and Unknown, was born about 915 in Denmark.

Shratlingus married.

The child from this marriage was:

64355110448        i.  Ulfius SHRATLINGUSSON (born about 945 in Denmark)


128710220904. Waltheof Earl Of NORTHUMBRIA,2018,2559 son of Oswulf Earl Of NORTHUMBRIA and Unknown, was born about 935 in Northumbria, England and died about 970 2018 about age 35.

Waltheof married.

The child from this marriage was:

64355110452        i.  Uchtred I Earl Of NORTHUMBRIA (born about 961 in Northumbria, England - died in 1016 in Murdered By Thursband In Wighill, Yorkshire, England)


128710220906. Ealdhun Bishop Of DURHAM 2018 was born about 940 in Durham, Northumberland, England.

Ealdhun married.

The child from this marriage was:

64355110453        i.  Ecgfrida Of DURHAM (born about 962 in Durham, Northumberland, England)


128710220912. Arnulf II Comte De BOULOGNE,2561 son of Arnulf I Comte De BOULOGNE and Unknown, was born about 950 in Boulogne-Sur-Mer, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France and died about 990 2561 about age 40.

Arnulf married Daughter Of The Castellan Of LENS.2561 Daughter was born about 950 in Lens, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Petronilla De BOULOGNE was born about 970 in Boulogne-Sur-Mer, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France.

64355110456       ii.  Baudouin II Comte De BOULOGNE (born about 976 in Boulogne-Sur-Mer, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France - died in 1033)

                 iii.  Mathilda (Maude) De BOULOGNE was born about 980 in Boulogne-Sur-Mer, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France.


128710220913. Daughter Of The Castellan Of LENS 2561 was born about 950 in Lens, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France.

Daughter married Arnulf II Comte De BOULOGNE,2561 son of Arnulf I Comte De BOULOGNE and Unknown. Arnulf was born about 950 in Boulogne-Sur-Mer, Artois/Pas-DE-Calais, France and died about 990 2561 about age 40.

128710220914. Arnulph Count Of HOLLAND & WESTFRIESLAND,415,1601,1746,2514 son of Dietrich II Count Of HOLLAND & WESTFRIESLAND and Hildegarde Countess Of FLANDERS, was born about 965 in Ghent, Flanders Now Belgium, died on 18 September 993 in Slain At Egmond-Binnen, Netherlands 2053,2515 about age 28, and was buried in Egmond O/D Hoef, Noord Holland, , Netherlands. Other names for Arnulph were Arnoul De GAND Count Of West Friesland& Ghent, and Arnoul De Gand Count Of West Friesland & GHENT.

Arnulph married Luitgarde Of LUXEMBOURG,1601,2053,2514 daughter of Siegfried Count Of LUXEMBOURG and Hedwig Countess Of LUXEMBOURG, about 980 in Gand, East Vries Laanderen, Belgium.2516 Luitgarde was born about 966 in Kleve, Nordrhein-Westphalia, Germany and died on 14 May 1005 1741,2053 about age 39. Another name for Luitgarde was Luitgarde De CLEVES.

128710220915. Luitgarde Of LUXEMBOURG,415,1601,1746,2053,2514 daughter of Siegfried Count Of LUXEMBOURG and Hedwig Countess Of LUXEMBOURG, was born about 966 in Kleve, Nordrhein-Westphalia, Germany and died on 14 May 1005 1741,2053 about age 39. Another name for Luitgarde was Luitgarde De CLEVES.

General Notes:
The widow of Arnulf she acted as regent for son Dirk III. She wad daughter of Siegfried of Luxembourg and Hadwig, sister of Empress Kunigunde. She lived (960/65-1005). 1741

Luitgarde married Arnulph Count Of HOLLAND & WESTFRIESLAND,1601,2514 son of Dietrich II Count Of HOLLAND & WESTFRIESLAND and Hildegarde Countess Of FLANDERS, about 980 in Gand, East Vries Laanderen, Belgium.2516 Arnulph was born about 965 in Ghent, Flanders Now Belgium, died on 18 September 993 in Slain At Egmond-Binnen, Netherlands 2053,2515 about age 28, and was buried in Egmond O/D Hoef, Noord Holland, , Netherlands. Other names for Arnulph were Arnoul De GAND Count Of West Friesland& Ghent, and Arnoul De Gand Count Of West Friesland & GHENT.

128710220916. Regnier III "Long Neck" Count Of HAINAULT,415,1882,2112,2784 son of Regnier II Count Of HAINAULT and Adelaide (Alice) Of BURGUNDY, was born about 928 in Hainault, Belgium 2784 and died in 973 in Bohemia, Czech Republic (In Exile) 1882,2112,2784 about age 45.

General Notes: Reginar III, Duke of Upper Lorraine 954, called "Long Neck"; died in exile in Bohemia 973. [Burke's Peerage]

Regnier married Adele Of LOUVAIN 2112.,2785 Adele was born about 929 in Louvaine, Brabant, Lorraine, France and died in 961 2785 about age 32. Another name for Adele was Adele Of DAGSBOURG.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Rainer IV Count Of HAINAULT was born about 950 in Mons, Hainault, Belgium 2679 and died between 1013 and 1049 2112,2784 about age 63.

64355110458       ii.  Lambert I "The Bearded" Count Of LOUVAIN (born about 950 in Louvain, Brabant, Belgium - died on 12 September 1015 in Battle Of Florennes)


128710220917. Adele Of LOUVAIN,415,2112,2785 daughter of Lambert Count Of LOUVAIN and Unknown, was born about 929 in Louvaine, Brabant, Lorraine, France and died in 961 2785 about age 32. Another name for Adele was Adele Of DAGSBOURG.

Adele married Regnier III "Long Neck" Count Of HAINAULT 1882,2112.,2784 Regnier was born about 928 in Hainault, Belgium 2784 and died in 973 in Bohemia, Czech Republic (In Exile) 1882,2112,2784 about age 45.

128710220918. Charles Duke Of Lower LORRAINE,415,1444,1784,2786 son of Louis IV "Transmarinus" King Of FRANCE and Gerberga Of SAXONY Abbess Of Notre Dame, was born in 953 in Laon, Aisne, Picardy, France 1447,2787,2788 and died on 21 May 994 in Kerker, Orleans, France 2321,2787 at age 41. Other names for Charles were Charles Prince Of FRANCE, Charles, Prince Of FRANCE, and Charles De LORRAINE.

General Notes:
Duke of Lower Lorraine (977–91); younger son of King Louis IV of France. He claimed the French throne when his nephew, Louis V of France, died (987) without issue, but he was set aside in favor of Hugh Capet. Charles seized Laon (988) and Reims (989), but was betrayed (991) by the bishop of Laon, who turned him over to Hugh. Charles died in prison. With the death of his sons the French Carolingian dynasty ended.

Charles married Adelais De TROYES,2716 daughter of Count Robert I Comte De Meaux & TROYES and Countess Adelaide Of BURGUNDY, about 970 in 1st Wife.2716 Adelais was born about 953 in Troyes, Aube, Champagne, France and died before 979. Another name for Adelais was Adelais De VERMANDOIS.

The child from this marriage was:

                   i.  Otto Duke Of Lower LORRAINE was born about 970 in Laon, Aisne, Picardy, France 2716 and died between 1006 and 1012 2716 about age 36.

Charles next married Adelaide (Adelheid) De VERDUN 2716,2787 before 979 in 2ND Wife 2716,2786.,2788 Adelaide was born about 958 in Verdun, Meuse, Lorraine, France and died after 991 2716. Another name for Adelaide was Adelaide (Adelheid) Of LORRAINE.

Children from this marriage were:

64355110459        i.  Gerberga Of LORRAINE (born about 975 in Lower Lorraine, France - died on 27 January 1017-1018)

                  ii.  Louis (Ludwig) Count Of THURINGIA was born about 991 in Thuringia, Germany.


128710220919. Adelaide (Adelheid) De VERDUN,415,2716,2787 daughter of Godefroy Le Vieux D'ardennes, Count Of VERDUN Marquis Antwerp and Countess Of Flanders Mathilde Princess Of SAXONY, was born about 958 in Verdun, Meuse, Lorraine, France and died after 991 2716. Another name for Adelaide was Adelaide (Adelheid) Of LORRAINE.

Adelaide married Charles Duke Of Lower LORRAINE 1784,2786 before 979 in 2ND Wife 2716,2786.,2788 Charles was born in 953 in Laon, Aisne, Picardy, France 1447,2787,2788 and died on 21 May 994 in Kerker, Orleans, France 2321,2787 at age 41. Other names for Charles were Charles Prince Of FRANCE, Charles, Prince Of FRANCE, and Charles De LORRAINE.

128710221312. Aubri 'Dux' Of GATINAIS Vicount Of Orleans,415,2563 son of Geoffrey (Or Orleans) Of The GATINAIS and Unknown, was born before 860 in Orleans, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France 2563 and died after 886 2563.

Aubri married.

The child from this marriage was:

64355110656        i.  Geoffrey Count Of GATINAIS (born in 890 in Orleans, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France - died about 942 in Gatinais, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France)


128710221316. Geoffrey I Grisegnelle Comte D' ANJOU,415,1601,1746,2727,2728,2729 son of Foulques II "Le Bon" Comte D' ANJOU Count Of Anjou and Countess Of Anjou Gerberga De GATINAIS, was born on 11 November 938 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died on 21 July 987 in (Slain In Battle) 2729,2730 at age 48.

General Notes:
Received in requital of his gallant services against the Emperor Otto, a grant from King Robert, of the dignified office of Seneschal of France.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, Abt 950. 2729

Geoffrey married Countess Anjou Adelaide De VERMANDOIS 1601,2730,2731,2732 on 2 March 950-951 in 2ND Husband 1St Wife.2069 Adelaide was born in 934 in Meaux, Seine-Et-Marne, Ile-DE-France, France and died on 8 April 976 2730 at age 42. Other names for Adelaide were Adelaide Comtessa De CHALONS, and2733 Adelaide De TROYES.

Noted events in their marriage were:

• Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage, 965. 2729

• Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage, 965. 2729

128710221317. Countess Anjou Adelaide De VERMANDOIS,415,1601,1746,2730,2731,2732 daughter of Count Robert I Comte De Meaux & TROYES and Countess Adelaide Of BURGUNDY, was born in 934 in Meaux, Seine-Et-Marne, Ile-DE-France, France and died on 8 April 976 2730 at age 42. Other names for Adelaide were Adelaide Comtessa De CHALONS, and2733 Adelaide De TROYES.

General Notes:
Turton names her Adelaide de Chalons, daughter of Thebault de Chalons. I believe this is a mistake based on the name given by her marriage to her first husband, Lambert d'Auton, Count of Chalons.

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The following was contained in a post-em by Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann@yahoo.com:

Actually it's even uglier than that. ES indicates that Geoffrey married Adelaide de Vermandois & upon her death, married her widowed mother Adelaide de Burgundy, heiress of Chalons. It also states the same mother & dau also married Lambert, Comte de Chalon-sur-Saone, Vicomte de Dijon.

To see discussions of the absurdity of this go to google - groups - soc.genealogy.medieval & use keyword: grisgonelle

The following archived messages give a good synopsis of the problem:
Mardi Carter 26 Mar 1998
Jim Stevens 26 Mar 1998
Kenneth Harper Finton 26 Mar 1998
Christopher Nash 7 Jun 1998

To date I've not seen a definitive solution.

Regards,
Curt

Note: I have read some of the postings. They seem to indicate that Geoffrey m. this Adelaide (although she is sometimes named "Adele de Donzy" and possibly another Adelaide as well, and that this Adelaide may not have married Lambert d'Autun, Count of Chalons?). The part about the mother & daughter marrying the same people is (as it should be) discounted. I am removing her marriage to Lambert d'Autun, making his wife Adelaide of Burgundy.

Noted events in her life were:

• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, Abt 950. 2730,2731 Vermandois, Aisne, Picardy, France

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, Abt 975. 2731

Adelaide married Geoffrey I Grisegnelle Comte D' ANJOU 1601,2727,2728,2729 from 2 March 950 to 951 in 2ND Husband 1St Wife.2069 Geoffrey was born on 11 November 938 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died on 21 July 987 in (Slain In Battle) 2729,2730 at age 48.

Adelaide next married Lambert D' AUTUN Count Of Chalon 1601,2693,2734 about 948 in , , , France. Lambert was born in 924 in Autun, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France and died from 22 February 978 to 979 in Chalon-Sur-Saone, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France 2734 at age 54. Another name for Lambert was Lambert De CHALON.

128710221328. Landry Seigneur De BEAUGENCY 2567 was born about 970 in Beaugency, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France and died after 1000 2567.

Landry married.

The child from this marriage was:

64355110664        i.  Lancelin I Seigneur De BEAUGENCY (born about 995 in Beaugency, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France - died in 1055)


128710221330. Herbert I Eveillechien Comte Du MAINE,2567 son of Hugh I Comte Du MAINE and Unknown, was born about 984 in Le Mans, Sarthe, Maine/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died on 13 April 1036 2567 about age 52.

Herbert married.

Children from this marriage were:

64355110665        i.  Paule Du MAINE (born about 1004 in Fleche, Sarthe, Maine/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France)

                  ii.  Gersende Du MAINE was born about 1019 in Le Mans, Sarthe, Maine/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died before 1096.


128710221332. Alberto Azzo II Marquis D' ESTE,2341 son of Albert Azzo I Of Tuscany, Marquis D' ESTE and Valdrada Of VENICE, was born on 10 July 1009 in Este, Tuscany, Italy and died on 20 August 1097 2341 at age 88.

General Notes: Sent by Pope to Hungary

Alberto married Cunigunde Of BAVARIA 2292 about 1035 in 1st Wife.2341 Cunigunde was born about 1020 in Altdorf, Bavaria, Germany and died from 21 March 1043 to 1044 about age 23. Another name for Cunigunde was Cunigunde Of ALTDORF.

The child from this marriage was:

                   i.  Guelph (Welf) IV Duke Of BAVARIA was born in 1035 in Este, Italy 2292 and died on 6 November 1101 2292,2518 at age 66.

Alberto next married Gersende Du MAINE,2341,2789 daughter of Herbert I Eveillechien Comte Du MAINE and Unknown, after 1048 in 2ND Husband 2ND Wife. Gersende was born about 1019 in Le Mans, Sarthe, Maine/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died before 1096.

Children from this marriage were:

64355110666        i.  Hugh III D'este Comte Du MAINE (born about 1049 in Este, Tuscany, Italy - died in 1097 in Le Mans, Sarthe, Maine/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France)

                  ii.  Folco I Marquis D' ESTE was born about 1052 in Este, Tuscany, Italy and died on 15 December 1128 2790 about age 76.

Alberto next married Mathilda Sister Of William Bishop Of PAVIA 2341 before 1096 in 3rd Wife.2341 Mathilda was born about 1040 in Pavia, Italy.


128710221333. Gersende Du MAINE,2341,2789 daughter of Herbert I Eveillechien Comte Du MAINE and Unknown, was born about 1019 in Le Mans, Sarthe, Maine/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died before 1096.

General Notes: Note: Gersende's separation from her 1st husband supposedly didn't happen until 1048, but by my dates it would have been earlier than 1045. @@check ancestry

Gersende married Theobald III Comte De BLOIS (I) De Champagne,2791 son of Count Of Blois Eudes II Comte De Champagne & BLOIS and Ermengarde De AUVERGNE, in 1st Husband 1St Wife - Divorced By 1048.2789 Theobald was born about 1013 in Blois, Loir-Et-Cher, Orleanais/Centre, France, died in 1089 in Champagne, France 2791 about age 76, and was buried in St. Martins, Epernay, Marne, Champagne, France. Another name for Theobald was Thibaud I Comte De CHAMPAGNE (Iii) De Blois.

The child from this marriage was:

                   i.  Stephen "Le Sage" Comte De Champagne & BLOIS was born about 1046 in Blois, Loir-Et-Cher, Orleanais/Centre, France 2789 and died on 27 May 1102 in Ramlah, Palestine (On Crusade Of 1101) 1526,2088 about age 56. Another name for Stephen was Stephen "Le Sage" Comte De Blois & CHAMPAGNE.

Gersende next married Alberto Azzo II Marquis D' ESTE,2341 son of Albert Azzo I Of Tuscany, Marquis D' ESTE and Valdrada Of VENICE, after 1048 in 2ND Husband 2ND Wife. Alberto was born on 10 July 1009 in Este, Tuscany, Italy and died on 20 August 1097 2341 at age 88.

128710221334. Robert I Guiscard De HAUTEVILLE Duke Apulia,415,1246,2121 son of Tancred "Guiscard" Seigneur De HAUTEVILLE Sir and Fressendis (Fredesende) Of NORMANDY, was born about 1015 in Hauteville, Manche, Normandy, France 2792 and died on 17 July 1085 at Seige Of Cephalonia, Greece 2792 about age 70. Other names for Robert were Robert I Guiscard De Hauteville Duke Of APULIA, and2792 Robert I GUISCARD De Hauteville Duke Of Apulia.

General Notes: All of the following information was copied from J.K. Loren, World Connect db=lorenfamily:

"This Robert was a Norman by birth, of obscure origin, with an overbearing character and a thoroughly villainous mind; he was a brave fighter, very cunning in his assaults on the wealth and power of great men; in achieving his aims absolutely inexorable, diverting criticism by incontrovertible argument. He was a man of immense stature, surpassing even the biggest men; he had a ruddy complexion, fair hair, broad shoulders, eyes that all but shot out sparks of fire. . . Homer remarked of Achilles that when he shouted his hearers had the impression of a multitude in uproar, but Robert's bellow, so they say, put tens of thousands to flight." The Alexiad, I, ii

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Robert, byname ROBERT GUISCARD, or ROBERT DE HAUTEVILLE, Italian ROBERTO GUISCARDO, or ROBERTO D'ALTAVILLA (b. c. 1015, Normandy [France]--d. July 17, 1085, near Cephalonia, Greece, Byzantine Empire), Norman adventurer who settled in Apulia, in southern Italy, about 1047 and became duke of Apulia (1059). He eventually extended Norman rule over Naples, Calabria, and Sicily and laid the foundations of the Kingdom of Sicily.

Arrival in Apulia

Robert was born into a family of knights. Arriving in Apulia, in southern Italy, around 1047 to join his half brother Drogo, he found that it and Campania, though they were southern Italy's most flourishing regions, were plagued by political disturbances. These regions attracted hordes of fortune-seeking Norman immigrants, who were to transform the political role of both regions in the following decades.

In Campania, the Lombards of Capua were launching wars against the Byzantine dukes of Naples in order to gain possession of that important seaport. In Apulia, William ("Iron Arm") de Hauteville, Robert's eldest half brother, having successfully defeated the Byzantine Greeks who controlled that region, had been elected count of Apulia in 1042. In 1046 he had been succeeded by his brother Drogo.

When Robert joined his brothers, they sent him to Calabria to attack Byzantine territory. He began his campaign by pillaging the countryside and ransoming its people. In 1053, at the head of the combined forces of Normans from Apulia and Campania, he defeated the haphazardly led forces of the Byzantines, the Lombards, and the papacy at Civitate. Because of the deaths of William and Drogo and of his third half brother, Count Humphrey, in 1057, Robert returned to Apulia to seize control from Humphrey's sons and save the region from disgregating internal conflicts. After becoming the recognized leader of the Apulian Normans, Robert resumed his campaign in Calabria. His brother Roger's arrival from Normandy enabled him to extend and solidify his conquests in Apulia.

In his progression from gang leader to commander of mercenary troops to conqueror, Robert emerged as a shrewd and perspicacious political figure. In 1059 he entered into a concordat at Melfi with Pope Nicholas II. Until that time the papacy had been hostile toward the Normans, considering them to be an anarchist force that upset the political structure in southern Italy--a structure based on a balance of power between the Byzantines and the Lombards of northern Italy. The schism that took place between the Greek and Latin churches in 1054 worsened the relations between the Byzantine emperors and the papacy, and eventually the papacy realized that Norman conquests over the Byzantines could work to its advantage. Robert's plan to expel the Arabs from Sicily and restore Christianity to the island also found favour in Nicholas' eyes. This expedition into Sicily got under way in 1060, as soon as the conquest of Calabria was completed. Robert entrusted the command of the expedition to his brother Roger, but on particularly difficult occasions--e.g., the siege of Palermo in 1071--he came to his brother's aid.

Until this time, Robert's relations with Roger had not always been amicable, since Roger, aware of both his own talent and Robert's dependency on him, would not settle for the subordinate role allotted him. Their differences were resolved when Robert invested Roger, after he had recognized Robert's supreme authority, with "the County of Sicily and Calabria" along with the right to govern and tax both counties.

Expansion of the Duchy

Robert continued to expand the small county left by Humphrey into a duchy, extending from the Adriatic to the Tyrrhenian sea. The capture of Bari in April 1071 resulted in the end of Byzantine rule in southern Italy. Robert turned next to the neighbouring territories of Salerno, controlled by the Lombards. Instead of fighting them, he dissolved his first marriage and in 1058 married the sister of Salerno's last Lombard prince, Gisulf II. Hostilities broke out between the two rulers, however, and Gisulf naively tried to bring about a Byzantine counteroffensive against Robert. Fearing that the Norman advances into Campania, Molise, and Abruzzi would threaten the papal dominions, Pope Gregory VII excommunicated Robert and gave Gisulf considerable military aid. The struggle came to a head when Gisulf, determined to display his power, advanced toward the prosperous city of Amalfi. Robert responded to the city's plea for help in 1073 and successfully defended it; in December 1076 he took Salerno from Gisulf and made it the capital of his duchy.

Robert was now at the height of his power. During his rise he repressed with an iron hand not only the claims of Humphrey's sons but also the uprisings of towns and lords that were fretting under the restraints imposed upon them. The harshness with which Robert chose to deal with these rebels was intended to transform a heterogeneous population into a strong, sovereign state.

When, in 1080, the conflict between church and state over the right to make ecclesiastical investitures had become more intense, Robert chose to reconcile himself with Gregory VII, entering into the Concordat of Ceprano, which confirmed the commitments of the earlier Council of Melfi. Even the Byzantine court drew closer to him and went as far as trying to establish a familial relationship with Robert. The Byzantine emperor Michael VII, in need of Robert's help to uphold his unstable throne, married his son, Constantine, to one of Robert's daughters, Helen. The opposition party, however, deposed Michael and confined Helen in a monastery. To guarantee Apulia against attack from the new rulers of Byzantium, Robert wanted the territories on the Adriatic coast of the Balkan Peninsula, and he began to build a large navy. Michael's expulsion and Helen's confinement reawakened his unappeased spirit of adventure and hastened his long-considered expedition. Now his goal was even more ambitious: to march to Byzantium and crown himself emperor in place of the deposed Michael.

In 1083 Robert landed in Epirus with a well-trained army and immediately succeeded in defeating the Byzantines and their Venetian allies. The pope, however, suddenly recalled him to Italy to help him expel the German king Henry IV, who was marching on Rome en route to claiming southern Italy for the Holy Roman Empire. Having returned home and suppressed the revolts of the lords hostile to himself and to Pope Gregory VII, Robert moved toward Rome, defeated the pope's enemies, and escorted him to Salerno in the summer of 1084. Following this success, he returned to his campaign on the Adriatic coast. He died during the siege of Cephalonia on July 17, 1085.

Achievements

Physically attractive, endowed with an acute and unscrupulous intelligence, a brilliant strategist and competent statesman, Robert had begun to organize a state composed of diverse ethnic and civil groups: Latin and Germanic in Lombard territories and Greek in Byzantine domains. The new political structure was built on a monarchial-feudal framework characteristic of the time, but it was controlled by the energetic and uncompromising Robert, who tried to use his ducal power to create a powerful and prosperous state. The other base on which he built was Roman Catholicism, the religion of the conquerors and most of the conquered, which he used to reconcile the subjected peoples. An extremely religious man, Robert was distrustful of the Greek clergy because of their ties with Byzantium. On the other hand, his generosity toward the Latin church was bountiful. He endowed it with territories and clerical immunities in order to tie it firmly to the feudal system. Splendid cathedrals and Benedictine abbeys were built in the hope that they would consolidate and diffuse Latin language and culture among the heterogeneous people and tie them into a new, unified state. Robert was kept from realizing this political vision only by his death. [Encyclopaedia Britannica CD, 1996, ROBERT GUISCARD]

Robert married Albreda (Auberee\Alberada) De BURGUNDY,2247,2571 daughter of Rainald I, Count Palatine Of BURGUNDY and Princess & Countess Of Bu Adelais (Judith) De NORMANDY, in 1st Wife - Divorced (Consanguinity).2247 Albreda was born about 1026 in Bourgogne, France and died after July 1122.

Children from this marriage were:

64355110667        i.  Miss GUISCARD (born about 1049 in Apulia, Cala, Italy)

                  ii.  Bohemond I Prince Of ANTIOCH was born in 1052 in Normandy, France, died from 7 March 1110 to 1111 in (Canosa Di Puglia) Canossa, Apulia, Italy 2121,2793 at age 58, and was buried in Captured Antioch 3 June 1098. Another name for Bohemond was Bohemond I De HAUTEVILLE Prince Of Antioch.

Robert next married Sigelgaita (Sichelgaite) Princess Of SALERNO 1246,2571,2792 in 1058.2792 Sigelgaita was born in 1031 in Salerno, Italy and died on 27 July 1090 2794 at age 59.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Sybille (Mabillde) De HAUTEVILLE was born about 1058 in Apulia, Cala, Italy and died about 1090 1246 about age 32.

64355117761       ii.  Maud (Matilda) De HAUTEVILLE Of Apulia (born about 1059 in Apulia, Cala, Italy - died in 1083)


128710221335. Albreda (Auberee\Alberada) De BURGUNDY,415,2247,2571 daughter of Rainald I, Count Palatine Of BURGUNDY and Princess & Countess Of Bu Adelais (Judith) De NORMANDY, was born about 1026 in Bourgogne, France and died after July 1122.

Albreda married Robert I Guiscard De HAUTEVILLE Duke Apulia 1246,2121 in 1st Wife - Divorced (Consanguinity).2247 Robert was born about 1015 in Hauteville, Manche, Normandy, France 2792 and died on 17 July 1085 at Seige Of Cephalonia, Greece 2792 about age 70. Other names for Robert were Robert I Guiscard De Hauteville Duke Of APULIA, and2792 Robert I GUISCARD De Hauteville Duke Of Apulia.

128710221336. Aimon (Hamelin) Seigneur de CHATEAU DU LOIRE,2572 son of Seigneur de CHATEAU DU LOIRE and Unknown, was born about 972 in Chateau-du-Loir, Sarthe, Maine/Pays-de-la-Loire, France and died from 15 January 1030 to 1031 about age 58.

Aimon married Hildeburge De BELLEME,2069,2795 daughter of Yves Seigneur De Creil & BELLEME and Godchilde De PONTHIEU, before 1006.2573 Hildeburge was born about 975 in Belleme, Sarthe, Maine/Pays DE Le Loire, France and died in 1024 about age 49. Another name for Hildeburge was Hildeburge De BELESME.

Children from this marriage were:

64355110668        i.  Robert Seigneur de CHATEAU DU LOIRE (born about 1006 in Chateau du Loir, Sarthe, Maine/Pays-de-la-Loire, France - died in 1065)

                  ii.  Haimon de MAYENNE was born about 1008 in Mayenne, Maine/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France.


128710221337. Hildeburge De BELLEME,415,2069,2795 daughter of Yves Seigneur De Creil & BELLEME and Godchilde De PONTHIEU, was born about 975 in Belleme, Sarthe, Maine/Pays DE Le Loire, France and died in 1024 about age 49. Another name for Hildeburge was Hildeburge De BELESME.

Hildeburge married Aimon (Hamelin) Seigneur de CHATEAU DU LOIRE,2572 son of Seigneur de CHATEAU DU LOIRE and Unknown, before 1006.2573 Aimon was born about 972 in Chateau-du-Loir, Sarthe, Maine/Pays-de-la-Loire, France and died from 15 January 1030 to 1031 about age 58.

128710221360. Duncan Lay Abbot Of DUNKELD,415,1416,2575 son of Duncan Lay Abbot Of DUNKELD and Unknown, was born about 949 in Dunkeld, Perthshire, Scotland and died after 990 in Dunkeld, Perthshire, Scotland 2575.

General Notes: Commanded the Scottish left wing at the battle of Luncarty (c990) where the Danes were so crushingly defeated that their raids on that part of what subsequently became Perthshire, hitherto periodic and devastating, were terminated; had (Crinan), with two younger sons ((1) Grim, Thane (hereditary tenant of the Crown) of Strathearn (west of Perth) and Baille (functionary with judicial powers) of Dule, killed 1010 at Battle of Mortlach, where Malcolm II King of Scots defeated invading Norsemen; (2) Duncan, ancestor of the Irving's of Dumfries and Forbes Irvine's of Drum). [Burke's Peerage]

Duncan married Nn Of The ISLES.1416 Nn was born about 950 in Scotland.

The child from this marriage was:

64355110680        i.  Crinan The Thane Lay Abbot Of DUNKELD (born in 978 in Dunkeld, Perthshire, Scotland - died in 1045 in Killed In Battle Against Macbeth, Who (1040) Slew His Son Duncan)


128710221361. Nn Of The ISLES 415,1416 was born about 950 in Scotland.

Nn married Duncan Lay Abbot Of DUNKELD,1416,2575 son of Duncan Lay Abbot Of DUNKELD and Unknown. Duncan was born about 949 in Dunkeld, Perthshire, Scotland and died after 990 in Dunkeld, Perthshire, Scotland 2575.

128710221362. Malcolm II Mackenneth King Of SCOTLAND,415,1416,2100,2723,2724 son of Kenneth (Cinaed) II King Of SCOTS and Miss De LEINSTER, was born in 954 in Scotland 1416 and died on 25 November 1034 in Glamis, Angus, Scotland (Murdered) 1416,2725 at age 80.

General Notes:
Malcolm took advantage of the fact that the English were preoccupied with Danish raids and marched south, winning the Battle of Carham against the Angles in 1018 and thereby regaining Lothian. Thirteen years later King Canute invaded Scotland and forced Malcolm to submit to him. However, Canute seems to have recognized Malcolm's possession of Lothian.

After Malcolm II's reign, Scottish succession was based on the principle of direct descent. Previously, succession was determined by tanistry - during a king's lifetime an heir was chosen and known as "tanaiste rig" (second to the king).

Noted events in his life were:

• Ruled: 1005-1034.

Malcolm married Aelgifu Sigurdsdottir Of OSSORY in 1st Wife. Aelgifu was born about 962 in Ossory, Ireland and died after 984.

Malcolm next married Blanaid Nic BRIAN Of Munster, daughter of Brian Boroimhe Na Munster King Of IRELAND and Eachraidh Ui Aeda ODBA, after 948 in 2ND Wife. Blanaid was born about 968 in Munster, Ireland.

128710221363. Aelgifu Sigurdsdottir Of OSSORY 415 was born about 962 in Ossory, Ireland and died after 984.

Aelgifu married Malcolm II Mackenneth King Of SCOTLAND,1416,2100,2723,2724 son of Kenneth (Cinaed) II King Of SCOTS and Miss De LEINSTER, in 1st Wife. Malcolm was born in 954 in Scotland 1416 and died on 25 November 1034 in Glamis, Angus, Scotland (Murdered) 1416,2725 at age 80.


128710221368. Aethelred II "The Unready" King Of WESSEX,415,1416,1601,1746,1864,2185,2303,2796 son of Edgar I "The Peaceful" King Of ENGLAND and Elfrida (Aelfthryth\Ealfthyth) ORDGARSDOTTIR, was born about 968 in Wessex, England,1416,2796 died on 23 April 1016 in London, Middlesex, England 1416,2796 about age 48, and was buried in 1016 in Old St Paul's, London, Middlesex, England. Another name for Aethelred was Ethelred II The Unready King Of ENGLAND.

General Notes:
Aethelred, one of the most hated kings of England, inherited the throne when he was ten years old. His name comes from the Anglo Saxon name for him, "Unraed," which means "evil-counseled," or "uncounseled," and was a pun on his name. Later generations, after the language had changed, produced the pun we have here.

He was supposed to be licentious and mean.

He was not ready for the Danes to renew their attack. They had been pretty docile since Alfred, the Great. He lost all of England. His son Edmund II Ironside, briefly recovered some of it, but then King Canute (and 2 other Danish kings) took over until Aethelred's other son, Edward the Confessor, regained the throne--only to lose it (for the Saxons anyway) in the next generation to William the Conqueror.

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Ethelred II, also spelled AETHELRED, byname ETHELRED THE UNREADY, or AETHELRED UNRAED (b. 968? - d. 23 April 1016, London), king of the English from 978 to 1013 and from 1014 to 1016. He was an ineffectual ruler who failed to prevent the Danes from overrunning England. The epithet "unready" is derived from unraed, meaning "evil counsel."

The son of King Edgar (ruled 959-975), Ethelred ascended the throne upon the assassination of his half brother King Edward the Martyr in March 978. Widespread suspicion that Ethelred may have had a part in the murder created much of the distrust and disloyalty that undermined his authority. Hence, there was no unified defense when the Danish invasions resumed in 980.

Nearly all of the country was ravaged, and Ethelred's efforts to buy peace only made the invaders more rapacious. When they did begin to settle down in towns, Ethelred provoked further invasions by launching a massacre of Danish settlers (13 Nov 1002). By the end of 1013 the Danish king Sweyn I had been accepted as king in England, and Ethelred had fled to Normandy.

After Sweyn died in Feb 1014, Ethelred's council of advisers invited him to return to the throne on condition that he agree to satisfy their grievances. At the time of Ethelred's death in 1016, Sweyn's son Canute was ravaging England. Ethelred was succeeded by his son Edmund II Ironside (ruled 1016); one of his other sons ruled England as Edward the Confessor from 1042 to 1066. [Encylcopaedia Britannica]

Noted events in his life were:

• Ruled: 2303 978-1013, 1014-1016

Aethelred married Queen Of England Emma Of NORMANDY,1601,2797,2798 daughter of Richard I "The Fearless" 3Rd Duke Of NORMANDY Count Of Rouen and Duchess Of Crepon & Norma Gunnora (Gunhilda) CREPON, in 1002 in 2ND Wife.2303 Emma was born in 986 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France, died from 6 March 1051 to 1052 in Winchester Cathedral, Hampshire, England 2510 at age 65, and was buried after 6 March 1052 in St Martin's Church, Winchester, Hampshire, England.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Edward "The Confessor" King Of ENGLAND St. was born about 1003 in Islip, Oxfordshire, England 2303 and died from 5 January 1065 to 1066 in London, Middlesex, England (Dsp) 2303 about age 62.

                  ii.  Godgifu (Goda) Princess Of ENGLAND was born about 1004 in Wessex, England and died in 1055 in England 2799 about age 51.

                 iii.  Edred Prince Of ENGLAND was born about 1010 in Wessex, England.

                  iv.  Goda Of ENGLAND was born before 1017 in Wessex, England and died before 1057.

Aethelred next married Alffaed (Ealflaed\Aelfgifu) THOREDSDOTTIR,1416,2303,2796 daughter of Thored Ealdorman Of NORTHUMBERLAND and Unknown, in 985 in 1st Wife 1416,2303.,2796 Alffaed was born in 968 in Northumbria, England and died in 1002 at age 34.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Alfgifu (Elgiva) Princess Of ENGLAND was born about 987 in Wessex, England.

64355110684       ii.  Edmund II "Ironside" King Of ENGLAND (born about 993 in Wessex, England - died on 30 November 1016 in Oxfordshire, England)


128710221369. Alffaed (Ealflaed\Aelfgifu) THOREDSDOTTIR,415,1416,2303,2796 daughter of Thored Ealdorman Of NORTHUMBERLAND and Unknown, was born in 968 in Northumbria, England and died in 1002 at age 34.

Alffaed married Aethelred II "The Unready" King Of WESSEX,1416,1601,1864,2185,2303,2796 son of Edgar I "The Peaceful" King Of ENGLAND and Elfrida (Aelfthryth\Ealfthyth) ORDGARSDOTTIR, in 985 in 1st Wife 1416,2303.,2796 Aethelred was born about 968 in Wessex, England,1416,2796 died on 23 April 1016 in London, Middlesex, England 1416,2796 about age 48, and was buried in 1016 in Old St Paul's, London, Middlesex, England. Another name for Aethelred was Ethelred II The Unready King Of ENGLAND.

128710221370. Aelfthryth Of MERCIA,415,505,2531,2580 son of Unknown and Wulfrun Of MERCIA, was born about 947 in Tamworth, Staffordshire, England (Mercia).

General Notes: Aelfthryth is usually a woman's name, but that is the name that Leo van de Pas gives him.

Aelfthryth married Ealdgyth Morcarsdottir Of MERCIA.2580 Ealdgyth was born about 968 in Mercia, England.

The child from this marriage was:

64355110685        i.  Ealgyth (Ealdgyth) Of MERCIA (born about 993 in Mercia, England)


128710221371. Ealdgyth Morcarsdottir Of MERCIA,415,505,2580 daughter of Morcar Of MERCIA and Edgitha, was born about 968 in Mercia, England.

Ealdgyth married Aelfthryth Of MERCIA 2531.,2580 Aelfthryth was born about 947 in Tamworth, Staffordshire, England (Mercia).

128710221372. Geza Duke Of HUNGARY,415,1984,2800 son of Taksony (Toxus) Prince Of HUNGARY and Miss Princess Of KUMANS, was born about 952 in Esztergom K Eszt, Hungary and died from 1 February 996 to 997 in Hungary about age 44.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, 949.

Geza married Sarolta Of TRANSYLVANIA, daughter of Gyula Duke Of TRANSYLVANIA and Unknown, in 1st Wife. Sarolta was born about 945 in Transylvania, Hungary and died before 978.

The child from this marriage was:

64355110686        i.  Stephen I King Of HUNGARY St. (born about 975 in Esztergom, Hungary - died on 15 August 1038 in Esztergom, Hungary)

Geza next married Adelaida "The White" Princess Of POLAND,1984,2800,2801 daughter of Miescyslaw I Grand Duke Mieszko King of POLAND Piast Dynasty and Unknown, after 978 in 2ND Husband 2ND Wife.2800 Adelaida was born about 955 in Poznan, Poland 2801 and died in 997 in Hungary about age 42.

The child from this marriage was:

                   i.  Maria Of HUNGARY was born about 982 in Esztergom K Eszt, Hungary.


128710221373. Sarolta Of TRANSYLVANIA,415 daughter of Gyula Duke Of TRANSYLVANIA and Unknown, was born about 945 in Transylvania, Hungary and died before 978.

Sarolta married Geza Duke Of HUNGARY,1984,2800 son of Taksony (Toxus) Prince Of HUNGARY and Miss Princess Of KUMANS, in 1st Wife. Geza was born about 952 in Esztergom K Eszt, Hungary and died from 1 February 996 to 997 in Hungary about age 44.

128710221374. Henry II "The Quarrelsome" Duke Of BAVARIA,415,1416,2329,2802 son of Henrich II (I) SAXONY and Judith Of BAVARIA, was born in 951 in Bavaria 1416 and died on 28 August 995 1416,2329 at age 44.

Henry married Gisela Of BURGUNDY,1416,2803 daughter of Count Of Paris Conrad I King Of BURGUNDY and Adelaide Of BELLAY. Gisela was born before 957 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France and died on 21 July 1006 1436,2323. Another name for Gisela was Gisele Of ARLES.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Emperor Henry II "The Good" HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE Saint was born on 6 May 973 in Albach, Hildesheim, Bavaria 2804 and died on 13 July 1024 in Pfalz Grona Near Gottingen, Saxony, Germany 2804 at age 51. Another name for Henry was Henry IV Duke Of BAVARIA.

                  ii.  Bruno Prince Of GERMANY Duke Of Augsburg was born about 975 in Augsburg, Bavaria, Germany and died in 1029 1416 about age 54. Another name for Bruno was Bruno Of Germany Duke Of AUGSBURG.

64355110687      iii.  Gisela Of BAVARIA (born about 985 in Bavaria - died on 14 February 1042-1043)


128710221375. Gisela Of BURGUNDY,415,1416,1444,2803 daughter of Count Of Paris Conrad I King Of BURGUNDY and Adelaide Of BELLAY, was born before 957 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France and died on 21 July 1006 1436,2323. Another name for Gisela was Gisele Of ARLES.

General Notes:
Turton has Gisele as daughter of Conrad by Maud of France, but since that marriage didn't take place until c964 according to AR, I have Gisele by a first wife of Conrad.

Gisela married Henry II "The Quarrelsome" Duke Of BAVARIA,1416,2329,2802 son of Henrich II (I) SAXONY and Judith Of BAVARIA. Henry was born in 951 in Bavaria 1416 and died on 28 August 995 1416,2329 at age 44.

128710221382. Hugh Bardoul Seigneur De BROYES,2805 son of Isembert Sire De BROYES and Unknown, was born about 1014 in Broyes, Marne, Champagne, France and died after 1058 2806. Other names for Hugh were Hugh BARDOUL Seigneur De Broyes, Hugh Bardoul Seigneur De BROZES 2015., and2807

General Notes: CP states that Hugh was of Brozes, which I cannot find anywhere. For once I think I will go with Turton, who says "Broyes", or in another place "Broye". Perhaps they are all names for the same place.

Hugh married Elizabeth De SOURS. Elizabeth was born about 1015 in France.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Bartholemew Seigneur De BROYES & Beaufort was born about 1032 in Broyes, Marne, Champagne, France and died in 1081 2806 about age 49. Another name for Bartholemew was Bartholemew Seigneur De Broyes & BEAUFORT.

64355110691       ii.  Isabella De BROYES Dame De Nogent (born about 1034 in Broyes, Marne, Champagne, France - died after 1058 in Nogent-Le-Roi, Eure-Et-Loire, Beauce/Centre, France)


128710221383. Elizabeth De SOURS was born about 1015 in France.

General Notes: Undoubtedly Elizabeth is from a place called Sours. The only place I find is a Chateau Sours, a winery in Bordeaux. I have another person Humberge de Sours (wife of Eberhard de Breteuil), born about the same time. They could be sisters.

Elizabeth married Hugh Bardoul Seigneur De BROYES,2805 son of Isembert Sire De BROYES and Unknown. Hugh was born about 1014 in Broyes, Marne, Champagne, France and died after 1058 2806. Other names for Hugh were Hugh BARDOUL Seigneur De Broyes, Hugh Bardoul Seigneur De BROZES 2015., and2807

128710221392. Baudouin V Count Of FLANDERS,415,1601,1746,2112,2342,2343,2344 son of Baudouin IV "The Bearded" Count Of FLANDERS Count Of Flanders and Ogive (Otgena) Of LUXEMBOURG, was born in 1012 in , Flanders, Nord, France,2345 died on 1 September 1067 in Lille, Nord, Nord-Pas-DE-Calais, France 2083,2112,2343 at age 55, and was buried in Lille, Nord, France. Another name for Baudouin was Baldwin V De LILLE Count Of Flanders.

Baudouin married Countess Of Auxerre Adélaïde Havoise Princess Of FRANCE,1601,2112,2343,2346,2347,2348 daughter of Robert II "The Pious" King Of FRANCE and Queen Of France Constance De TOULOUSE, in 1028 in , Paris, Seine, France 2112.,2343 Adélaïde was born in 1009 in Of, Nevers, Bourgogne,2348 died from 8 January 1078 to 1079 in Monastère DE L'ordre DE St. Benoist, Messines, , France 2343,2347 at age 69, and was buried in Monastère DE L'ordre DE St. Benoist, Messines, , France. Another name for Adélaïde was Adele Princess Of France Countess Of AUXERRE.

128710221393. Countess Of Auxerre Adélaïde Havoise Princess Of FRANCE,415,1601,1746,2112,2343,2346,2347,2348 daughter of Robert II "The Pious" King Of FRANCE and Queen Of France Constance De TOULOUSE, was born in 1009 in Of, Nevers, Bourgogne,2348 died from 8 January 1078 to 1079 in Monastère DE L'ordre DE St. Benoist, Messines, , France 2343,2347 at age 69, and was buried in Monastère DE L'ordre DE St. Benoist, Messines, , France. Another name for Adélaïde was Adele Princess Of France Countess Of AUXERRE.

General Notes:
Adele (or Aelis) of France, [daughter of Robert II by Constance of Provence], Countess of Contenance, d. Messines, 8 Jan 1079; m. (1) 1027 Richard III, Duke of Normandy, dsp. legit 6 Aug 1027; m. (2) 1028 Baldwin V, Count of Flanders, d. Lille, 1 Sep 1067. [Ancestral Roots, line 128-22]

Note: Contenance does not exist anywhere in France, people on soc.genealogy.medieval (the newgroup) don't know what it means either.

Note: Deborah L. Bay, in an e-mail, pointed out that Adele/Aelis was born about the same time as Adele, who was married to Renaud, Count of Nevers. Even though they were apparently named the same, born about the same time, and to the same parents, they are different sisters, with different death dates, different titles, and they both had children by their different husbands at exactly the same time (1030). I have encountered this situation where children are named the same 3 or 4 other times (more often/commonly when one died young).

Adélaïde married Duke Of Normandy Richard III De NORMANDIE,1601,2352 son of Richard II "The Good" Duke Of NORMANDY and Princess Of Brittany Judith De BRETAGNE, from January 1026 to 1027 in Contract, Not Married.2343 Richard was born about 997 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died on 6 August 1027 in (Dspl) 2343 about age 30.

Adélaïde next married Baudouin V Count Of FLANDERS,1601,2112,2342,2343,2344 son of Baudouin IV "The Bearded" Count Of FLANDERS Count Of Flanders and Ogive (Otgena) Of LUXEMBOURG, in 1028 in , Paris, Seine, France 2112.,2343 Baudouin was born in 1012 in , Flanders, Nord, France,2345 died on 1 September 1067 in Lille, Nord, Nord-Pas-DE-Calais, France 2083,2112,2343 at age 55, and was buried in Lille, Nord, France. Another name for Baudouin was Baldwin V De LILLE Count Of Flanders.

128710221394. Gerard I Count Von EGISHEIM,2584,2755 son of Hugo VI Von EGISHEIM Count Of Lower Lorraine and Heilwig (Helvide) Von DAGSBURG, was born about 995 in Eguisheim, Haute-Rhin, Alsace, France and died in 1038 2755 about age 43.

General Notes: Turton and many people on World Connect, have this Gerard as "II" (don't know where "I" is). AR states that the son was "II", so I will stick with AR, making this Gerard "I". Turton also has Gerard as son of Eberhard Vicomte of Lower-Alsace (with Hugues III as grandfather), but SGM has other parents.

Gerard married Petronilla Of VERDUN.2755 Petronilla was born about 1015 in Verdun, Meuse, Lorraine, France. Another name for Petronilla was Berta (Bertha) Of BURGUNDY.

Children from this marriage were:

64355110697        i.  Richilde Countess Von EGISHEIM (born about 1030 in Eguisheim, Haute-Rhin, Alsace, France - died on 15 March 1086-1087 in Mechelen, Flemish Region, Belgium)

                  ii.  Gerard II Count Von EGISHEIM was born before 1038 in Eguisheim, Haut-Rhin, Alsace, France and died in 1098 2808.


128710221395. Petronilla Of VERDUN 2755 was born about 1015 in Verdun, Meuse, Lorraine, France. Another name for Petronilla was Berta (Bertha) Of BURGUNDY.

Petronilla married Gerard I Count Von EGISHEIM,2584,2755 son of Hugo VI Von EGISHEIM Count Of Lower Lorraine and Heilwig (Helvide) Von DAGSBURG. Gerard was born about 995 in Eguisheim, Haute-Rhin, Alsace, France and died in 1038 2755 about age 43.

128710221400. Gerard II Count Von WASSENBERG,2400 son of Gerard I Count Von WASSENBERG and Unknown, was born about 1013 in Wassenburg, Lorraine Now Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany and died in 1086 about age 73. Another name for Gerard was Gerard Flamens Count Of TEISTERBANT.

General Notes: Vassel of Bishop Utrecht

Gerard married.

Children from this marriage were:

64355110700        i.  Heinrich Von WASSENBERG (born about 1033 in Wassenburg, Lorraine Now Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany - died in 1075)

                  ii.  Dietrich Flamens Count Of VELUE was born about 1035 in Wassenberg, Lorraine Now Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany and died in 1082 in Abbey Of St Hubert's, Ardennes, Champagne, France about age 47.


128710221406. Adalbert III Count LONGWY Duke Upper Lorraine,415,1988,2251 son of Gerhard II Count Of METZ and Gisella Of ALSACE, was born about 1012 in Longwy, Meurthe-Et-Moselle, Lorraine, France and died in 1048 1988 about age 36.

Adalbert married Clemence De FOIX.1988 Clemence was born about 1015 in Foix, Ariege, Midi-Pyreneees, France.

128710221407. Clemence De FOIX,415,1988 daughter of Bernard-Rodger Seigneur De FOIX Count Bigorre and Gersinde Countess De BIGORRE, was born about 1015 in Foix, Ariege, Midi-Pyreneees, France.

General Notes:
In a post to soc.genealogy.medieval, Todd Farmerie reports that Clemence Foix does not even exist. I am keeping her as a place holder until further research indicates a possible replacement. @@check ancestry.

From: Todd A. Farmerie (farmerie@interfold.com)
Subject: Etiennette of Longwy - NOT!!!
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2001-04-25 23:30:18 PST


I just got in the mail the latest publication of the Unit for Prosopographical Research - Prosopographica et Genealogica, vol.3, Onomastioque et Parente dans l'Occident medieval, K. S. B. Keats-Rohan and C. Settipani, eds. (2000). I have not had a chance to read beyond the first couple of articles, but even the first one will be of interest to many in this group. Szabolcs de Vajay here contributes a reevaluation of his elegant work on Etiennette/Estefania/Stephanie, wife of William, Count of Burgundy.

In a 1960 article appearing in Annales de Bourgogne, he evaluated the surviving sources, and focussed particularly on two contemporary ones that appeared to illuminate the question. One of these indicated that Pope Callixte (son of Etiennette) was of mixed parentage, one parent being Burgundian, and the other from Lorraine. The second source mentioned a Countess Ermesende of Longwy - taken to be the mother of Clemence, Countess of Luxembourg, and wife of William VII of Aquitaine. Vajay was led to conclude that these two women, apparently both of Lorraine but with Mediteranean names, represented a single family group. At about this time Longwy was held by an Adelbert, identified with the Duke of Lorraine, who was then tapped as father. At the same time, the names Ermesende and Etiennette appeared in the family of Bernard Roger, Count of Foix (another sibling was Raimond, a name which Etiennette of Burgundy would give a son), so the mother of the Lorraine Ermesende and Etiennette was hypothesized as another sibling in this family, provisionally named Clemence (the name of daughters of both Ermesende and Etiennette). Thus the question has stood for four decades (with only a few historians dissenting). (Thus it has likewise appeared in secondary sources which failed to indicate the hypothetical nature of the solution, from which it has entered innumerable personal and public databases.)

In his new analysis, entitled "Parlons encore d'Etiennette" (pp. 2-6), Vajay goes through his previous proof, and step by step he destroys it.

The first source, describing the parentage of Callixte, is now known not to refer to the son of Etiennette, but to her grandson of the same name, who was son of Louis of Montbeliard and Ermesende of Burgundy - parentage that matches his described mixed origins. The other source can now be shown to refer not to the mother of Clemence Countess of Luxembourg, but to her daughter Ermesende who married Adelbert de Dabo - the Adelbert of Longwy mistakenly associated with the Duke of Lorraine. Taken together, there is no longer any support for a connection with Lorraine (and no reason to think that Duke Adelbert married or had any issue at all). More critically, it becomes clear that with these two pieces of evidence removed from relevance, there is no contemporary source that bears dierctly on the question.

One recent author, A. Beau, approached the question by returning to the work of Pere Anselme, who wrote that Etiennette was daughter of Raimond II of Barcelona and his wife Sancha of Navarre. With minor modifications, this possibility is attractive. The man Anselme appears to have had in mind was Count Berenger I Raimond II, who married Sancha Sanchez of Castile. This Berenger is now thought to have had a sister Etiennette (for whom he might have named a daughter), while in his fourth wife (who Beau would make mother of our Etiennette) we have Guisla of Lluca, for whom Etiennette would have named her daughter Gisela, and this solution would also explain the use of Raimond.

Vajay is, however, not entirely enthusiastic about this solution. First of all, Beau's reasoning that Anselme's account was likely based on an accurate tradition/source is belied by the fact that Beau then gives her a father Berenger and mother Guisla (with Berenger's first wife, Sancha, being from Castile), while Anselme had named them Raimond and Sancha of Navarre. Likewise, this solution fails to explain the appearance of the name Clemence (unknown among the Barcelona Counts, although Guisla's ancestry is not fully characterized), while finally, there is the problem of the relationship between Henry, Count of Portugal and Raimond, Count of Galicia (Etiennette's son).

The word "congermanus" is used to describe the relationship between Henry and Raymond. This word is usually used to refer to what we would now call second cousins or even more distant relations, the children (or descendants) of first cousins. By Vajay's old solution, this would be the case, both being grandchildren's-grandchildren of Count Roger of Carcassonne, with Henry's mother postulated as daughter of Berenger and Guisla. Moving Raimond's mother to the same family renders the two Counts first cousins, which is too close. (Vajay would now instead place Henry's mother as sister of Berenger, but the problem remains.) This can not be simply dismissed by suggesting that "congermanus" is being used somewhat atypically here to refer to first cousins, since Raimond's sister Sybil married Henry's brother Eudes and a marriage of first cousins (? once removed) certainly would have been considered too close. In light of this, Vajay tends to dismiss this solution as well.

He concludes by stating that the fate of his earlier theory should serve as a warning about the uncertain nature of such arguments based more on onomastics and hypothesis than direct proof. This is perhaps a good warning with which to start this book, as the articles that follow derive from a group of researchers that uses just such methods to reconstruct relationships among family groups.

Clemence married Adalbert III Count LONGWY Duke Upper Lorraine 1988.,2251 Adalbert was born about 1012 in Longwy, Meurthe-Et-Moselle, Lorraine, France and died in 1048 1988 about age 36.

128710221428. Osbern De CREPON Steward Of Normandy,1778,2234 son of Herfast (Arfastus) De CREPON and Unknown, was born about 990 in Crepon, Calvados, Normandy, France and died in 1036 in (Murdered) 1778 about age 46.

Osbern married Emma De IVRY,1778,2234,2809 daughter of Ralph (Raoul) Comte D' IVRY and Albreda. Emma was born about 990 in Ivry-La-Bataille, Eure, Normandy, France and died before 1034. Another name for Emma was Alberade De BAYEUX.

Children from this marriage were:

64355110714        i.  William FITZOSBERN 1st Earl Of Hereford (born in 1030 in Breteuil, Eure, Normandy, France - died on 20 February 1070-1071 in Battle Of Cassel, Flanders (Killed))

                  ii.  Emma FITZOSBERN was born about 1028 in Normandy, France.


128710221429. Emma De IVRY,415,1778,2234,2809 daughter of Ralph (Raoul) Comte D' IVRY and Albreda, was born about 990 in Ivry-La-Bataille, Eure, Normandy, France and died before 1034. Another name for Emma was Alberade De BAYEUX.

General Notes: I believe that the names which Turton gave Emma & her father Ralph d'Ivry were wrong, but the pedigree which Turton gave is similar to that of CP, except that Turton has Emma's (Turton says Alberade's) mother as Erneberge de Caux, while CP has her as Albreda. Raoul de Bayeux and Ralph (Raoul) d'Ivry are probably two different names for the same person.

Emma married Osbern De CREPON Steward Of Normandy,1778,2234 son of Herfast (Arfastus) De CREPON and Unknown. Osbern was born about 990 in Crepon, Calvados, Normandy, France and died in 1036 in (Murdered) 1778 about age 46.

128710221430. Roger II "The Spaniard" Conches De TOENI,1449,2280 son of Ralph II Seigneur De TOENI Lord Of Conches and Miss Countess Of BAYEUX, was born about 990 in Tosni, Louviers, Eure, Normandy, France 1449,2280 and died between 1038 and 1039 in Battle With Neighbor Against Succession Of William I 1449,2280 about age 48. Another name for Roger was Roger De TODENI Lord Of Guerny.

General Notes: Note: Roger Toeni's 1st wife, Stephanie, is questioned by some; especially her 2nd marriage to Garcias of Spain while Toeni was still alive. I agree that it does not make much sense. However

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Roger de Toeni, also called Roger de Conches; fought Muslims in Spain; married 1st? Stephanie (m. 2nd Garsias, King of Spain) sister of Raymond Berenger, Count of Barcelona; married 2nd? Godeheut (m. 2nd Richard, 3rd Count of Evreux), and died 1038 or 1039 in battle against a neighboring noble whose territory he had overrun in a revolt against the succession of William I the Conqueror to his father's Norman possessions on the grounds that William was illegitimate. [Burke's Peerage]

Note: According to BP, Roger married two different women as 1st husband, both married later husbands. There is no explanation given. Did the first marriage end in divorce? As stated above, I am treating the women as the same person.

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ROGER DE TOENI I, styled also DE CONCHES, son and heir, was born probably about 990, for as stated above he was joined with his father in the custody of the castle of Tillières in 1013 or 1014. He was a powerful and haughty man, and banner-bearer of all Normandy. In 1031 or 1032 he attested a charter of Robert I for St. Wandrille. About 1035 he founded the abbey of Chatillon or Conches. While Duke Robert was away on pilgrimage, he went to Spain and distinguished himself in fighting the infidels (b). When he returned to Normandy, he was furious to learn that the boy William had succeeded his father in the Duchy, declaring that a bastard ought not to rule over him and other Normans.

Accordingly he rebelled and ravaged the lands of his neighbours, particularly those of Humphrey de Vieilles; whose son Roger de Beaumont marched against him, and in the battle which followed Roger de Toeni and two of his sons were slain. He was a benefactor to the abbey of I'Estrée and confirmed a gift to the abbey of Lire, and witnessed a charter for Jumièges. He married, perhaps 2ndly,[g] Godeheut, whose parentage is unknown. He died as above, probably in 1038 or 1039, and was buried 1 May at Conches. His widow married Richard, 3rd COUNT OF EVREUX. She was a benefactor to Conches. [Complete Peerage XII/1:755-7, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

(b) Will. de Jumieges, p. 157---by Orderic. In consequence he was styled sometimes Roger of Spain (Orderic, vol i, p. 180; vol iii, p. 338), or Roger the Spaniard (Idem, vol ii, p. 64). However, if the Roger, son of Count Rodulf (cf, p. 755, note "a" above), who according to the Sens Chron. led an army from Normandy to Spain, can be identified with Roger de Toeni, he is said to have gone there at a much earlier date; and after defeating the Saracens, is said to have married a Spanish woman and lived there for 15 years. Then owing to the treachery of the natives he lost most of his men and, leaving his wife in Spain, he returned to Normandy; where he made a concord with Duke Richard, who was displeased at the loss of his army. Afterwards Roger was killed, fighting against a certain neighbor (Rec. des Hist. de France, vol x, p. 223). This Roger's feats in Spain are recorded also by Ademar, who calls him simply Roger, and does not say how long he stayed there (Idem, p. 156). No other Norman than Roger de Toeni seems to be known, who could be identified with the hero of these stories. Cf. Prentout, op. cit., p. 86. See also p. 755, note (a) above and note (g) below. See "Tony of Belvoir", Charles Evans, "Geneal. Mag.", vol 15, 1968, pp. 616-18. [last sentence, referencing Charles Evans, added by CP XIV:613]

[g] Roger, son of Count Rodulf (see note "b" above), married, in Spain, Stephanie, sister of Raymond Berenger; which lady afterwards m. Garsias, King of Spain (Rec. des Hist. de France, vol x, p. 223). This agrees with the statement of Ademar, that he m. a da. (unnamed) of the widowed Ermensede, Countess of Barcelona ((Idem, p. 156), the mother of Raymond abovenamed. If this Roger were Roger de Toeni, he married Godeheut while his 1st wife was alive, and Stephanie m. Garsias III, King of Navarre, while Roger was living.

Note: The note "a", p. 755, referred to above is under Roger's father, Ralph.

Roger married Stephanie (Adelaide) De BARCELONA,1449,2455,2456 daughter of Raymond Borrell III Barcelona BERENGAR Count Of Barcelona and Ermensinde Of CARCASSONNE, in 1st Husband.1449 Stephanie was born about 1015 in Barcelona, Spain and died in 1051 about age 36.

Roger next married Godheut 1449,2279 before 1025 in 1st Husband 2ND Wife 1449.,2279 Godheut was born about 1010 in Normandy, France and died after 1077.

Roger next married Godeheut BORRELL, daughter of Raymond Borrell III Barcelona BERENGAR Count Of Barcelona and Ermensinde Of CARCASSONNE, about 1015 in Conches, Seine-Et-Marne, France. Godeheut was born about 995 in Tosni, France and died after 1077 in Tosni, France.

128710221431. Godheut 415,1449,2279 was born about 1010 in Normandy, France and died after 1077.

Godheut married Roger II "The Spaniard" Conches De TOENI,1449,2280 son of Ralph II Seigneur De TOENI Lord Of Conches and Miss Countess Of BAYEUX, before 1025 in 1st Husband 2ND Wife 1449.,2279 Roger was born about 990 in Tosni, Louviers, Eure, Normandy, France 1449,2280 and died between 1038 and 1039 in Battle With Neighbor Against Succession Of William I 1449,2280 about age 48. Another name for Roger was Roger De TODENI Lord Of Guerny.

Godheut next married Richard Comte D' EVREUX,1449,2279 son of Count Of Evreux Robert Archbishop Of ROUEN Archbishop Of Rouen and Havlive De ROUEN, after 1038 in 2ND Husband 1449.,2279 Richard was born about 986 in Rouen, Seine-Inferior, France and died on 13 December 1067 in Evreux, Eure, Normandy, France 1270 about age 81.

128710221610. Thibaud De MONTLHERY,415,1719 son of Ansaud II "Le Riche" Constable De PARIS and Reitrude, was born about 970 in Montlhery, Essonne, Ile-DE-France, France 2810 and died in 1031 1719 about age 61.

Thibaud married.

The child from this marriage was:

64355110805        i.  Miss De MONTLHERY (born about 990 in Montlhery, Essonne, Ile-DE-France, France)


128710221616. Albert I Comte De NAMUR,415,1784,2515,2716,2811,2812 son of Robert I Comte De LOMME and Ermengarde De LORRAINE, was born about 975 in Lower Lorraine, France and died before 1011 in Namur, Belgium 1784,2811.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1012. 2497

Albert married Ermengarde Of Lower LORRAINE,1784,2515,2716,2811 daughter of Otto Duke Of Lower LORRAINE and Unknown, in 990.2716 Ermengarde was born about 985 in Lower Lorraine, France 2716 and died after 1012 2716. Another name for Ermengarde was Ermengarde Of FRANCE.

Children from this marriage were:

64355110808        i.  Albert II Comte De NAMUR (born about 1000 in Namur, Belgium - died in July 1064)

                  ii.  Luitgarde (Emma) Of NAMUR was born about 1001 in Namur, Belgium.

                 iii.  Hadwide De NAMUR was born before 1012 in Namur, Belgium and died about 1080 2497.


128710221617. Ermengarde Of Lower LORRAINE,415,1784,2515,2716,2811 daughter of Otto Duke Of Lower LORRAINE and Unknown, was born about 985 in Lower Lorraine, France 2716 and died after 1012 2716. Another name for Ermengarde was Ermengarde Of FRANCE.

General Notes: Ermengarde of Lorraine [dau. of Charles of Lorraine by Adelheid, parentage unknown], m. Albert I, d. 998/1011, Count of Namur, son of Robert I, Count of Lomme. [Ancestral Roots line 149-20]

Note: AR has Ermengarde as dau. of Charles by his 2nd wife (m. bef. 979) Adelheid. However Alan B. Wilson, reporting on the work of Settipani, has her as daughter of Otto Duke of Lower Lorraine, son of Charles by his 1st wife. Thus Ermengarde is granddaughter, not daughter, of Charles.

Ermengarde married Albert I Comte De NAMUR,1784,2515,2716,2811,2812 son of Robert I Comte De LOMME and Ermengarde De LORRAINE, in 990.2716 Albert was born about 975 in Lower Lorraine, France and died before 1011 in Namur, Belgium 1784,2811.

128710221618. Gozelon I Duke Of Lower LORRAINE Count Verdun,415,1784,2432 son of Godefroy Le Vieux D'ardennes, Count Of VERDUN Marquis Antwerp and Countess Of Flanders Mathilde Princess Of SAXONY, was born about 967 in Verdun, Meuse, Lorraine, France and died on 19 April 1044 1784,2432 about age 77.

Gozelon married Urracca Princess Of ITALY, daughter of Berengarius II King Of ITALY Marquis Of Ivrea and Willa D'arles Of TUSCANY. Urracca was born about 967 in Italy.

128710221619. Urracca Princess Of ITALY,415 daughter of Berengarius II King Of ITALY Marquis Of Ivrea and Willa D'arles Of TUSCANY, was born about 967 in Italy.

Urracca married Gozelon I Duke Of Lower LORRAINE Count Verdun,1784,2432 son of Godefroy Le Vieux D'ardennes, Count Of VERDUN Marquis Antwerp and Countess Of Flanders Mathilde Princess Of SAXONY. Gozelon was born about 967 in Verdun, Meuse, Lorraine, France and died on 19 April 1044 1784,2432 about age 77.

128710221620. Bernard I BILLUNG Duke Of Saxony,415,1601,1746,1784 son of Hermann BILLUNG Duke Of Saxony and Hildegard Von WESTERBOURG, was born about 945 in Saxony, Germany and died from 9 February 1010 to 1011 1784 about age 65. Another name for Bernard was Bernard I Billung Duke Of SAXONY.

Bernard married Hildegarde Countess Of STADE,1601,1784 daughter of Heinrich I Count Of STADE and Hildegarde Von RHEINHAUSEN, in <Schwaben, Bavaria, Germany>. Hildegarde was born in 978 in Stade, Hannover, Germany and died on 3 October 1011 1784 at age 33.

The child from this marriage was:

64355110810        i.  Bernard II Duke Of SAXONY (born in 995 in Saxony, Germany - died on 29 June 1059)


128710221621. Hildegarde Countess Of STADE,415,1601,1746,1784 daughter of Heinrich I Count Of STADE and Hildegarde Von RHEINHAUSEN, was born in 978 in Stade, Hannover, Germany and died on 3 October 1011 1784 at age 33.

Hildegarde married Bernard I BILLUNG Duke Of Saxony,1601,1784 son of Hermann BILLUNG Duke Of Saxony and Hildegard Von WESTERBOURG, in <Schwaben, Bavaria, Germany>. Bernard was born about 945 in Saxony, Germany and died from 9 February 1010 to 1011 1784 about age 65. Another name for Bernard was Bernard I Billung Duke Of SAXONY.

128710221622. Heinrich Margrave Of NORDGAU & SCHWEINFURTH,415,1601,1746,2813 son of Berthold Margrave Of The NORDGAU and Eiliseintha (Eilika\Hellika) Von WALBECK, was born about 970 in Schweinfurth, Untefranken, Bavaria and died on 18 September 1017 1784 about age 47.

Heinrich married Margravine Of Schweinfurt Gerberge Countess Of GLEIBERG,1270,1601,1784 daughter of Count Of Gleiberg Heribert Count In KINZIGGAU & Kinzigau and Irmintrud Countess Of AVALGAU, about 990 in Kinzigaw, Schweinfurth, Bavaria. Gerberge was born in 950 in Gleiberg, Hesse, Germany and died in 1017 2523 at age 67. Other names for Gerberge were Gergerba Von KINZIGAU, and Gergerba KONRADINER.2523

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Henry Count Von SCHWEINFURT was born about 1000 in Pegnitz, Germany and died after 1042 in Schweinfurth, Untefranken, Bavaria.

                  ii.  Maria Von SCHWEINFURT was born about 1002 in Schweinfurth, Untefranken, Bavaria.

64355110811      iii.  Elicia (Elika) Von SCHWEINFURT (born about 1003 in Schwaben, Germany - died after 1055)

                  iv.  Otto III Von Schweinfurt Duke Of SWABIA was born about 1004 in Swabia, Germany and died on 28 September 1057 about age 53. Another name for Otto was Otto III Von SCHWEINFURT Duke Of Swabia.

                   v.  Judith Of SCHWEINFURT was born about 1007 in Schweinfurth, Untefranken, Bavaria and died on 2 August 1058 about age 51.


128710221623. Margravine Of Schweinfurt Gerberge Countess Of GLEIBERG,415,1270,1601,1746,1784 daughter of Count Of Gleiberg Heribert Count In KINZIGGAU & Kinzigau and Irmintrud Countess Of AVALGAU, was born in 950 in Gleiberg, Hesse, Germany and died in 1017 2523 at age 67. Other names for Gerberge were Gergerba Von KINZIGAU, and Gergerba KONRADINER.2523

Gerberge married Heinrich Margrave Of NORDGAU & SCHWEINFURTH,1601,2813 son of Berthold Margrave Of The NORDGAU and Eiliseintha (Eilika\Hellika) Von WALBECK, about 990 in Kinzigaw, Schweinfurth, Bavaria. Heinrich was born about 970 in Schweinfurth, Untefranken, Bavaria and died on 18 September 1017 1784 about age 47.

128710221760. Renaud II (Renard) Comte De SENS,415,2814 son of Renaud I "Le Vieux" Comte Of SENS and Unknown, was born about 962 in Sens, Yonne, Bourgogne, France.

Renaud married.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Aelis De SENS was born about 985 in Sens, Yonne, Bourgogne, France.

64355110880       ii.  Athon De COURTENAY Castellan Chateau-Renard (born about 987 in Chateau-Renard, Loiret, Gatinais/Centre, France - died about 1034 in Courtenay, Loiret, Gatinais/Centre, France)


128710221768. Renaud I Comte De NEVERS & Auxerre,415,2347 son of Landeric IV (Landry) Comte De NEVERS and Matilda Of BURGUNDY, was born about 1000 in Nevers, Nievre, Bourgogne, France and died on 29 May 1040 in Battle At Seignelay, Yonne, Bourgogne, France 2347 about age 40.

Renaud married Adele (Advisa\Avoie\Alais) Princess Of FRANCE,2347,2348 daughter of Robert II "The Pious" King Of FRANCE and Queen Of France Constance De TOULOUSE, after January 1016-1017.2348 Adele was born before November 1005 in Auxerre, Yonne, Bourgogne, France 2348 and died about 1063 2347. Another name for Adele was Adele Princess Of France Countess Of AUXERRE.

Children from this marriage were:

64355110884        i.  William I (Guillaume) Comte De NEVERS (born about 1030 in Nevers, Nievre, Bourgogne, France - died on 20 June 1100)

                  ii.  Robert "Burgundius" Of BURGUNDY was born about 1032 in Nevers, Nievre, Bourgogne, France and died after 1098 on Crusade 2815. Other names for Robert were Robert The BURGUNDIAN, and2815 Robert De NEVERS.


128710221769. Adele (Advisa\Avoie\Alais) Princess Of FRANCE,415,2347,2348 daughter of Robert II "The Pious" King Of FRANCE and Queen Of France Constance De TOULOUSE, was born before November 1005 in Auxerre, Yonne, Bourgogne, France 2348 and died about 1063 2347. Another name for Adele was Adele Princess Of France Countess Of AUXERRE.

General Notes:
Adele of France, [daughter of Robert II by Constance of Provence], Countess of Auxerre, d. ca. 1063; m. Renaud I, d. 29 May 1040, Count of Nevers 1000-1040. [Ancestral Roots, line 107-20]

Note: Deborah L. Bay, in an e-mail, pointed out that Adele was born about the same time as Adele/Aelis, who was married to Richard III, Duke of Normandy & Baldwin V, Count of Flanders. Even though they were apparently named the same, born about the same time, and to the same parents, they are different sisters, with different death dates, different titles, and they both had children by their different husbands at exactly the same time (1030). I have encountered this situation where children are named the same 3 or 4 other times (more often/commonly when one died young).

Adele married Renaud I Comte De NEVERS & Auxerre,2347 son of Landeric IV (Landry) Comte De NEVERS and Matilda Of BURGUNDY, from after January 1016 to 1017.2348 Renaud was born about 1000 in Nevers, Nievre, Bourgogne, France and died on 29 May 1040 in Battle At Seignelay, Yonne, Bourgogne, France 2347 about age 40.

128710221770. Renhard II (Renaud) Comte De TONNERRE,415,2491,2598 son of Milo IV Comte De TONNERRE and Ermengarde De MACON, was born about 993 in Tonnerre, Yonne, Bourgogne, France 2491 and died on 16 July 1039 2816 about age 46.

Renhard married Helvise De NOYON,2491,2816 daughter of Garnier De NOYON and Unknown. Helvise was born about 1000 in Noyon, Oise, Picardy, France and died after 1030.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Milo I De Tonnerre Comte De BAR-SUR-SEINE was born about 1020 in Tonnerre, Yonne, Bourgogne, France and died in 1046 2493 about age 26. Another name for Milo was Milo V Comte De TONNERRE.

64355110885       ii.  Ermengarde De TONNERRE (born about 1030 in Tonnerre, Yonne, Bourgogne, France - died before 1090)


128710221771. Helvise De NOYON,415,2491,2816 daughter of Garnier De NOYON and Unknown, was born about 1000 in Noyon, Oise, Picardy, France and died after 1030.

General Notes: This is an excerpt from a post to SGM (full post is in notes under Ermengarde de Tonnerre), 5 Dec 1998, by Settipani, the noted French genealogist:

The Ascendancy of Ermengarde of Tonnerre : Part II

The ancestry of Helvisa (no 3) is unknown, but I suppose her a niece of Hardoin, bishop of Noyon (1015-1027) (M. Chaume believed she was a sister of his). Hardoin is brother of Garnier and son of Robert of Croyes. Probably they are issued of Waltharius (Gauthier, Walter), count of Valois, Amiens and Vexin (d. c. 992/8), grandson of the caroligian Helvisa.

Noted events in her life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, After 1018. 2491

Helvise married Renhard II (Renaud) Comte De TONNERRE,2491,2598 son of Milo IV Comte De TONNERRE and Ermengarde De MACON. Renhard was born about 993 in Tonnerre, Yonne, Bourgogne, France 2491 and died on 16 July 1039 2816 about age 46.

128710221772. Artald IV Comte De FOREZ & Lyon,415,2817 son of Giraud II Comte De LYON and Alice (Adelaide) De GEVAUDAN, was born about 1020 in Lyon, Loire, Lyonnais/Rhone-Alpes, France and died after 14 May 1078 in Le Forez, Loire, Lyonnais/Rhone-Alpes, France 2817. Another name for Artald was Artald IV Comte De Forez & LYON.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1076.

Artald married Raymodis (Raymonde).2818 Raymodis was born about 1025 in France.

The child from this marriage was:

64355110886        i.  Artald V Comte De FOREZ & Lyon (born about 1042 in Lyon, Loire, Lyonnais/Rhone-Alpes, France - died in 1085 in Le Forez, Loire, Lyonnais/Rhone-Alpes, France)


128710221773. Raymodis (Raymonde) 415,2818 was born about 1025 in France.

Raymodis married Artald IV Comte De FOREZ & Lyon,2817 son of Giraud II Comte De LYON and Alice (Adelaide) De GEVAUDAN. Artald was born about 1020 in Lyon, Loire, Lyonnais/Rhone-Alpes, France and died after 14 May 1078 in Le Forez, Loire, Lyonnais/Rhone-Alpes, France 2817. Another name for Artald was Artald IV Comte De Forez & LYON.

128710235140. Dietrich III Count Of HOLLAND,415,2515 son of Arnulph Count Of HOLLAND & WESTFRIESLAND and Luitgarde Of LUXEMBOURG, was born about 986 in Ghent, Flanders Now Belgium and died on 27 May 1039 2515 about age 53. Other names for Dietrich were Dietrich (Dirk) III Count Of West FRIESLAND, and Dietrich III De GAND Count Of West Friesland.

Dietrich married Ulfhilde Of GERMANY,2515 daughter of Otto Duke Of CARINTHIA and Judith (Adela) Of VERDUN. Ulfhilde was born about 986 in Karnten, Austria and died from 9 March 1043 to 1044 2515 about age 57. Another name for Ulfhilde was Othehildis De NORDMARK.

The child from this marriage was:

64355117570        i.  Florent (Florens) I Count Of HOLLAND (born about 1015 in Vlaardingen, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands - died on 26 June 1061 in Hannert, France)


128710235141. Ulfhilde Of GERMANY,415,2515 daughter of Otto Duke Of CARINTHIA and Judith (Adela) Of VERDUN, was born about 986 in Karnten, Austria and died from 9 March 1043 to 1044 2515 about age 57. Another name for Ulfhilde was Othehildis De NORDMARK.

General Notes: I believe that RFC has Ulfhilde named Othehildis de Nordmark, and daughter of Bernard Margrave of Nordmark, b. c 960. But I am following Turton.

Ulfhilde married Dietrich III Count Of HOLLAND,2515 son of Arnulph Count Of HOLLAND & WESTFRIESLAND and Luitgarde Of LUXEMBOURG. Dietrich was born about 986 in Ghent, Flanders Now Belgium and died on 27 May 1039 2515 about age 53. Other names for Dietrich were Dietrich (Dirk) III Count Of West FRIESLAND, and Dietrich III De GAND Count Of West Friesland.

128710235142. Bernard II Duke Of SAXONY,415,670,2594,2595 son of Bernard I BILLUNG Duke Of Saxony and Hildegarde Countess Of STADE, was born in 995 in Saxony, Germany 2596 and died on 29 June 1059 1784,2067 at age 64.

General Notes: Turton, p. 20 & 40, has Bernard's wife (and mother of his children) as "Bertrade of Norway", daughter of Harald II of Norway, d. 976. This means that Bertrade would have been born by 977, which doesn't make much sense. AR states that Elicia/Elika was Bernard's wife & mother of his children, which is what I am following.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1057. 2596

Bernard married Elicia (Elika) Von SCHWEINFURT,2364 daughter of Heinrich Margrave Of NORDGAU & SCHWEINFURTH and Margravine Of Schweinfurt Gerberge Countess Of GLEIBERG, about 1020.2596 Elicia was born about 1003 in Schwaben, Germany and died after 1055 1784.

128710235143. Elicia (Elika) Von SCHWEINFURT,415,670,2364 daughter of Heinrich Margrave Of NORDGAU & SCHWEINFURTH and Margravine Of Schweinfurt Gerberge Countess Of GLEIBERG, was born about 1003 in Schwaben, Germany and died after 1055 1784.

Elicia married Bernard II Duke Of SAXONY,2594,2595 son of Bernard I BILLUNG Duke Of Saxony and Hildegarde Countess Of STADE, about 1020.2596 Bernard was born in 995 in Saxony, Germany 2596 and died on 29 June 1059 1784,2067 at age 64.

128710235144. Otto (Eudes) De Maurienne Count Of Turin & SAVOY,415,1444,2819,2820 son of Humbert I Count Of SAVOY and Ancelie Von LENZBURG, was born in 1002 in Chambery, Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France and died from about 19 January 1059 to 1060 1447,2820 about age 57. Other names for Otto were Eudes, Odonne, Conte Di MAURIENNE, Otto Of MAURIENNE, Otto, Count Of MAURINE, SAVOIA, Otto, Markgrafin Of SUSA, Otto, Count Of Savoy, and Marquess Of TURIN.

Noted events in his life were:

• Acceded: 1051. 1436

Otto married Adelaida, Contessa Di TORINO,1339,2820 daughter of Ulric Manfredo II Count Of Susa Marquis Of TURIN and Bertha Of LIGURIA. Adelaida, was born about 1015 in Susa, Turin, Italy and died on 19 October 1091 1447,2821 about age 76. Other names for Adelaida, were Adelheid Of SOSA, Adelaide, Margravine Von SUSA, Adelais, and Contessa De TORINO.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Adelaide Of MAURIENNE was born about 1043 in Maurienne, Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France and died in 1079 2821 about age 36. Other names for Adelaide were Adelheid Di MAURIENNE, Adélaïde Di SAVOIA, Adelaide Of SAVOY, and Adelaide Of SUSA.

64355117572       ii.  Amadeo II De Maurienne, Count Of SAVOY (born about 1032 in Maurienne, Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France - died on 26 January 1079-1080)

                 iii.  Bertha Margravine Of TURIN was born on 21 September 1051 in Mauerienne, Savoy, France,2822 died on 27 December 1087 2822,2823 at age 36, and was buried in Spayer.2822 Another name for Bertha was Berta, Principessa Di SAVOIA.

                  iv.  Pietro De Maurienne Count Of SAVOY was born about 1038 in Maurienne, Rhone Alpes, France and died on 9 August 1078 1339 about age 40.


128710235145. Adelaida, Contessa Di TORINO,415,1339,1444,2820 daughter of Ulric Manfredo II Count Of Susa Marquis Of TURIN and Bertha Of LIGURIA, was born about 1015 in Susa, Turin, Italy and died on 19 October 1091 1447,2821 about age 76. Other names for Adelaida, were Adelheid Of SOSA, Adelaide, Margravine Von SUSA, Adelais, and Contessa De TORINO.

Adelaida, married Otto (Eudes) De Maurienne Count Of Turin & SAVOY,2819,2820 son of Humbert I Count Of SAVOY and Ancelie Von LENZBURG. Otto was born in 1002 in Chambery, Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France and died from about 19 January 1059 to 1060 1447,2820 about age 57. Other names for Otto were Eudes, Odonne, Conte Di MAURIENNE, Otto Of MAURIENNE, Otto, Count Of MAURINE, SAVOIA, Otto, Markgrafin Of SUSA, Otto, Count Of Savoy, and Marquess Of TURIN.

Adelaida, next married Hermann IV Duke Of SWABIA,2232 son of Ernst I, Duke Of SWABIA and Gisela Konradiner, Herzögin Von SCHWABEN, about 1028 of Torino, Italy. Hermann was born about 1013 in Schwaben, Germany and died on 28 July 1038 about age 25.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Herman I, Count Of KASTEL was born about 1040 in Kastl, Oberpfalz, Bavaria and died from 27 January 1055 to 1056 about age 15.

                  ii.  Gebhard I Count Von SULZBACH was born about 1030 in Sulzbach, Oberpfalz, Bavaria and died in 1080 about age 50.

                 iii.  Richwara Of SWABIA was born about 1032 in Schwaben, Germany and died before 1056.


128710235146. Gerald I Count Of GENEVA,415,1849,2642 son of Almon (Ayman) I Count Of Vienne & GENEVA and Bertha Of BURGUNDY, was born in 1012 in Genf, Geneva, Helvetiz, Switzerland 2605 and died in 1061 1849,2642 at age 49.

General Notes: Turton has two different Geralds, one married to Gisele, and the second married (as her 1st husband) to Tutberge of Rheinfelden, daughter of Rudolph (who I have as an ancestor). Turton has Tetberge married 2ndly to Louis of Faucigny. AR has one Gerald m. to Gisele and 2ndly to Thietburga, widow of Louis of Faucigny (note the order of Tetberge/Thietburga's marriages is reversed). AR is considered, in general, to be "newer & more reliable" than Turton, but I am following Turton on this one.

AR has some possible "hickups" with its pedigree at this point: AR describes the first wife as "dead in 1060" and the birth year of Aimon, the son born by the 2nd wife, as "about 1050". I think it is strange (and probably significant) that AR can't find a way to describe the 1st wife's death to be "in sync" with the 2nd wife's child birth. Also AR's death date of "1061-1080" for Gerald is a pretty wide range. One could envision a Gerald I, d. 1061, and a Gerald II, d. 1080, which is what Turton has. In fact I think that Turton is right - at least in there being two Geralds. I will follow AR in other items, including the order of Tetberge/Thietburga's marriages..

Gerald married Gisele 1849,2642 in 1st Wife 1849.,2642 Gisele was born about 1015 in Switzerland and died before 1060 2642.

Children from this marriage were:

64355117808        i.  Gerald II Count Of GENEVA (born about 1035 in Genf, Geneva, Helvetiz, Switzerland - died in 1080)

64355117573       ii.  Johanna De GENEVA (born about 1040 in Genf, Geneva, Helvetiz, Switzerland - died about 1095)


128710235147. Gisele 415,1849,2642 was born about 1015 in Switzerland and died before 1060 2642.

Gisele married Gerald I Count Of GENEVA 1849,2642 in 1st Wife 1849.,2642 Gerald was born in 1012 in Genf, Geneva, Helvetiz, Switzerland 2605 and died in 1061 1849,2642 at age 49.

128710235196. Giselbert I Count Of SALM & Luxembourg,415,670,2824 son of Count In Moselgau Frederick I Count Of Salm & LUXEMBOURG and Irmtrud Countess Of GLEIBERG, was born about 1005 in Chateau DE Salm, Luxembourg and died on 14 August 1059 about age 54. Another name for Giselbert was Giselbert I Graf Von Salm Und LUXEMBOURG.

Giselbert married.

Children from this marriage were:

64355117598        i.  Conrad I Count Of LUXEMBOURG (born about 1040 in Trier, Rhineland, Germany - died on 8 August 1086)

                  ii.  Hermann Count Of Salm & LUXEMBOURG was born about 1045 in Chateau DE Salm, Luxembourg and died on 28 September 1088 in Metz, Moselle, France (In Battle) 2825 about age 43. Another name for Hermann was Hermann Emperor Elect Graf Von SALM.


128710235200. Geoffrey II Vicomte De THOUARS,415,1948,2606 son of Savaric (Savory) III Vicomte De THOUARS and Unknown, was born in 985 in Thouars, Deux-Sevres, Anjou/Poitou-Charentes, France and died in April 1043 in St Michael En Lherm, Leon, Spain at age 58.

Geoffrey married Agnes (Ainor\Eleanor) De BLOIS 1948.,2826 Agnes was born in 989 in Blois, Loir-Et-Cher, Orleanais/Centre, France and died after 1054 2827.

The child from this marriage was:

64355117600        i.  Aimery IV Vicomte De THOUARS (born about 1020 in Thouars, Deux-Sevres, Anjou/Poitou-Charentes, France - died in 1093 in St Nicholas DE La Cheze, Anjou, France (Murdered))


128710235201. Agnes (Ainor\Eleanor) De BLOIS,415,1948,2826 daughter of Eudes I Comte De BLOIS and Bertha Of ARLES, was born in 989 in Blois, Loir-Et-Cher, Orleanais/Centre, France and died after 1054 2827.

Agnes married Geoffrey II Vicomte De THOUARS 1948.,2606 Geoffrey was born in 985 in Thouars, Deux-Sevres, Anjou/Poitou-Charentes, France and died in April 1043 in St Michael En Lherm, Leon, Spain at age 58.

128710235202. Geoffroy De MAULEON 415 was born about 1000 in Mauleon, Deux-Sevres, Poitou, France.

Geoffroy married.

The child from this marriage was:

64355117601        i.  Aurengarde De MAULEON (born about 1025 in Mauleon, Deux-Sevres, Poitou, France - died before 1080)


128710235216. Hugh IV Sire De LUSIGNAN,1948 son of Hugh III Sire De LUSIGNAN and Arsendis (Arsende), was born about 985 in Lusignan, Vienne, Poitou, France 1948 and died after 1030 1948.

Hugh married Adelaide (Adelarde\Aldegarde) De THOUARS,1948 daughter of Raoul I De THOUARS and Unknown. Adelaide was born in 989 in Thouars, Deux-Sevres, Anjou/Poitou-Charentes, France.

The child from this marriage was:

64355117608        i.  Hugh V "Le Debonnaire" Sire De LUSIGNAN (born between 1015 and 1018 in Lusignan, Vienne, Poitou, France - died on 8 October 1060)


128710235217. Adelaide (Adelarde\Aldegarde) De THOUARS,1948 daughter of Raoul I De THOUARS and Unknown, was born in 989 in Thouars, Deux-Sevres, Anjou/Poitou-Charentes, France.

Adelaide married Hugh IV Sire De LUSIGNAN,1948 son of Hugh III Sire De LUSIGNAN and Arsendis (Arsende). Hugh was born about 985 in Lusignan, Vienne, Poitou, France 1948 and died after 1030 1948.

128710235218. Bernard I Comte De LA MARCHE,415,1529,1948,1997 son of Adalbert I Comte De LA MARCHE Et Perigord and Almode De LIMOGES, was born about 970 in Marche, Creuse, Limousin, France and died in September 1047 1997,2828 about age 77. Another name for Bernard was Bernard I Comte Of MARCHE.

Bernard married Amelie (Amelia) D' AUNAY 1529,2829 in 1st Wife. Amelie was born about 990 in Aulnay DE Saintonge, Charente-Maritime, Poitou, France and died before 1016. Another name for Amelie was Amelie (Amelia) D' AULNAY.

Children from this marriage were:

64355117734        i.  Alberic III Comte De LA MARCHE (born about 1010 in Marche, Creuse, Limousin, France - died in 1086)

64355117609       ii.  Almonde (Almodis) De LA MARCHE (born about 1015 in Marche, Creuse, Limousin, France - died on 16 November 1071 in (Murdered))

Bernard next married Amelie De RASEZ, daughter of Unknown and Lucie De PROVENCE, before 1016 in 2ND Wife. Amelie was born about 1000 in Le Razes, Narbonne, Languedoc, France and died in 1072 about age 72.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Rangearde De LA MARCHE was born about 1017 in Le Razes, Narbonne, Languedoc, France and died before 1069. Another name for Rangearde was Ramgarde De RAZES.

                  ii.  Matilda De LA MARCHE was born about 1028 in Marche, Creuse, Limousin, France and died before 1068.


128710235219. Amelie (Amelia) D' AUNAY,415,1529,2829 daughter of Cadelon IV Vicomte D' AUNAY and Arsendis, was born about 990 in Aulnay DE Saintonge, Charente-Maritime, Poitou, France and died before 1016. Another name for Amelie was Amelie (Amelia) D' AULNAY.

Amelie married Bernard I Comte De LA MARCHE 1529,1948,1997 in 1st Wife. Bernard was born about 970 in Marche, Creuse, Limousin, France and died in September 1047 1997,2828 about age 77. Another name for Bernard was Bernard I Comte Of MARCHE.

128710235240. Hoel Of CORNOUAILLE Duke Of Brittany,415,2830,2831 son of Unknown and Unknown, was born about 1040 in Cornouaille, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France and died on 13 April 1084 2830 about age 44. Another name for Hoel was Hoel Of CORNOUILLE Duke Of Brittany.

Hoel married Hawise Heiress Of BRITTANY.2830 Hawise was born about 1033 in Rennes, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France and died in 1072 2830 about age 39.

The child from this marriage was:

64355117620        i.  Alan IV Fergant Duke Of BRITTANY (born about 1060 in Nantes, Loire-Atlantique, Anjou/Pays-de-la-Loire, France - died on 13 October 1119)


128710235241. Hawise Heiress Of BRITTANY 415,2830 was born about 1033 in Rennes, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France and died in 1072 2830 about age 39.

Hawise married Hoel Of CORNOUAILLE Duke Of Brittany,2830,2831 son of Unknown and Unknown. Hoel was born about 1040 in Cornouaille, Ille-Et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France and died on 13 April 1084 2830 about age 44. Another name for Hoel was Hoel Of CORNOUILLE Duke Of Brittany.

128710235242. Foulques IV "Le Rechin" Comte D' ANJOU Count Of Anjou,415,670,2060 son of Geoffroy II "Ferreol" Count Of GASTINOIS and Ermengarde D' ANJOU [Countess Of Gastinois], was born in 1043 in Gatinais, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France 389,390,2017 and died on 14 April 1109 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France 389,390,2017 at age 66.

Foulques married Hildegarde LANCELOTE Countess Of Beaugency,2061,2062 daughter of Unknown and Unknown, in 1070 in , , Anjou, France 389,390.,2061 Hildegarde was born about 1047 in <, Saumur, Maine-Et-Loire, France>.389,390

Foulques next married Ermengarde De BOURBON,2064 daughter of Archambaud IV Seigneur De BOURBON and Philippa D' AUVERGNE, in 1070 in 1st Husband 2ND Wife - Annulled 1081.2064 Ermengarde was born about 1057 in Bourbon-L'archambault, Allier, Bourbonnais/Auvergne, France.

Foulques next married Arengarde Dau. Of Isambart De CHATEL-AILLON 2065 from 21 January 1086 to 1087 in 3rd Wife - Annulled.2065 Arengarde was born about 1065 in France.

Foulques next married Bertrade (Bertrada\Beatrice) De MONTFORT [Queen Of France],2017,2066 daughter of Simon I Seigneur De MONTFORT and Agnes D' EVREUX, between 1090 and 1091 in 4th Wife 389,390.,2017 Bertrade was born about 1073 in Montfort-L'amaury, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France 389,390 and died from 14 February 1116 to 1117 in Fontevrault, Maine-Et-Loire, Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France 389,390,2017 about age 43.

Marriage Notes: Bertrade was his 5th wife; Child Bride at 11, first child d
elivered at 31 She was 5th wife to Fulk IV
CHAN20 Mar 2001

Noted events in her life were:

• Unknown: Queen of France, , Paris, Ville-DE-Paris, France. 390

• Unknown: Countess of Montfort, , Montfort Amaury, Île DE France, France. 390

128710235243. Hildegarde LANCELOTE Countess Of Beaugency,415,670,2061,2062 daughter of Unknown and Unknown, was born about 1047 in <, Saumur, Maine-Et-Loire, France>.389,390

Noted events in her life were:

• Unknown: Countess of Bourbon, , , Bourbonnais, France. 390,417

Hildegarde married Foulques IV "Le Rechin" Comte D' ANJOU Count Of Anjou,2060 son of Geoffroy II "Ferreol" Count Of GASTINOIS and Ermengarde D' ANJOU [Countess Of Gastinois], in 1070 in , , Anjou, France 389,390.,2061 Foulques was born in 1043 in Gatinais, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France 389,390,2017 and died on 14 April 1109 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France 389,390,2017 at age 66.

128710235246. Rhys Ap TEWDWR King Of Deheubarth,505,1760,2027,2028 son of Tewdwr "Mawr-The Great" Ap CADELL King S. Wales and Unknown, was born about 1035 in Deheubarth, Wales and died in April 1093 in Killed Fighting Norman English In Brycheiniog, Wales 2028 about age 58. Another name for Rhys was Rhys Ap Tudor MAWR.

General Notes: Rhys ap Tewdwr, Prince of Deheubarth (technically Seisyllwg and Dyfed) 1153-97. [Burke's Peerage]

Rhys married Gwladus Verch RHIWALLON,2028 daughter of Rhiwallon Ap CYNFYN Prince Of Powys and Unknown. Gwladus was born about 1060 in Powys, Wales.

Rhys next married Catrin Verch IESTYN, daughter of Iestyn (Jestyn) Ap GWRGAN Lord Of Glamorgan and Unknown, before 1084. Catrin was born about 1060 in Wales.

128710235247. Gwladus Verch RHIWALLON,505,2028 daughter of Rhiwallon Ap CYNFYN Prince Of Powys and Unknown, was born about 1060 in Powys, Wales.

General Notes: Several internet sources have Gwladus married to Walter FitzOtho of Windsor. This is not supported by any of my sources (AR, BP, CP, etc.). I believe that it is an error. Walter's possible Welsh wife is Gladys verch Havallon.

Gwladus married Rhys Ap TEWDWR King Of Deheubarth,1760,2027,2028 son of Tewdwr "Mawr-The Great" Ap CADELL King S. Wales and Unknown. Rhys was born about 1035 in Deheubarth, Wales and died in April 1093 in Killed Fighting Norman English In Brycheiniog, Wales 2028 about age 58. Another name for Rhys was Rhys Ap Tudor MAWR.

128710235424. William II Count Of POITOU Iv Duke D'aquitaine,415,1444,1601,1746,2147,2240 son of Count Of Poitiers Guillaume III (I) Duke Of AQUITAINE and Countess Of Poitiers Adèle (Gerloc) Of NORMANDY, was born in 937 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France 2742 and died from 3 February 994 to 995 in Aquitaine, France 1109,1436,2147 at age 57. Other names for William were Bras De Fer=Ironarm, Willliam IV Fierabras, William II Of Poitou IV Duke Of AQUITAINE, William Iv, and Duke Of AQUITAINE.

William married Duchess Of Aquitaine Emma De BLOIS,1109,1601,2147 daughter of Theobald Le TRICHEUR Count Of Champagne and Luitgarde De VERMANDOIS, before 969 in <Poitier, , France>. Emma was born in 954 in Blois, Loire-Et-Cher, Centre, France 2742 and died on 1 August 1003 2742 at age 49. Another name for Emma was Emme.

Children from this marriage were:

64355117712        i.  William III Count Of POITOU V Duke D'aquitaine (born on 29 June 992 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France - died on 31 January 1030 in Abbey Of St. Cyprian)

                  ii.  Pavie D' AQUITAINE was born in 990. Other names for Pavie were Emma-Parvie, and Parvie.


128710235425. Duchess Of Aquitaine Emma De BLOIS,415,1109,1444,1601,1746,2147 daughter of Theobald Le TRICHEUR Count Of Champagne and Luitgarde De VERMANDOIS, was born in 954 in Blois, Loire-Et-Cher, Centre, France 2742 and died on 1 August 1003 2742 at age 49. Another name for Emma was Emme.

Emma married William II Count Of POITOU Iv Duke D'aquitaine,1601,2147,2240 son of Count Of Poitiers Guillaume III (I) Duke Of AQUITAINE and Countess Of Poitiers Adèle (Gerloc) Of NORMANDY, before 969 in <Poitier, , France>. William was born in 937 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France 2742 and died from 3 February 994 to 995 in Aquitaine, France 1109,1436,2147 at age 57. Other names for William were Bras De Fer=Ironarm, Willliam IV Fierabras, William II Of Poitou IV Duke Of AQUITAINE, William Iv, and Duke Of AQUITAINE.

128710235426. Otto Guillaume Count Of BURGUNDY,415,1444,2485,2486,2487 son of Adalbert D'ivrée Ii, King Of LOMBARDY and Gerberge, Comtesse De MÂCON, was born about 955 in Dijon, Cote D'or, Bourgogne, France,2487 died on 21 September 1026 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France 1447,2487,2488 about age 71, and was buried in Dijon, Burgundy, France. Other names for Otto were William I, Eudes I Guillaume, Comte De BOURGOGNE, Otte-Guillaume De BOURGOGNE, Otto Guillaume, Comte De BOURGOGNE, Odo-William, Duke Of BURGUNDY, Otton I William, King Of LOMBARDY, and Eudes Guillaume Comte De MACON.

Otto married Ermentrude Of Roucy, Countess Of REIMS,2069,2485,2489 daughter of Renaud I Comte De ROUCY & Rheims and Albérade De LORRAINE, about 983 in 2ND Husband.2489 Ermentrude was born in 958 in Reims, Marne, Champagne, France and died on 5 October 1003 1447,2489 at age 45. Other names for Ermentrude were Adalaide, Hermentrude, Ermentrude Of RHEIMS, Irmtrude Of RHEIMS, and Ermengarde De ROUCY.

128710235427. Ermentrude Of Roucy, Countess Of REIMS,415,1444,2069,2485,2489 daughter of Renaud I Comte De ROUCY & Rheims and Albérade De LORRAINE, was born in 958 in Reims, Marne, Champagne, France and died on 5 October 1003 1447,2489 at age 45. Other names for Ermentrude were Adalaide, Hermentrude, Ermentrude Of RHEIMS, Irmtrude Of RHEIMS, and Ermengarde De ROUCY.

Noted events in her life were:

• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, Between 958 and 959. 2489

Ermentrude married Alberic II Count Of MACON & Salins,2069,2491,2492 son of Letalde (Lietaud) I Count Of MACON and Richilde Of BURGUNDY, in 970 in 1st Husband 2ND Wife 2069,2491.,2492 Alberic was born about 949 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France and died about 981 in Salins, Seine-Et-Marne, Ile-DE-France, France 2069 about age 32. Other names for Alberic were Auberic Ii, Count De MÂCON AND BURGUNDY, and Aubry II Count Of Macon & SALINS.

Ermentrude next married Otto Guillaume Count Of BURGUNDY,2485,2486,2487 son of Adalbert D'ivrée Ii, King Of LOMBARDY and Gerberge, Comtesse De MÂCON, about 983 in 2ND Husband.2489 Otto was born about 955 in Dijon, Cote D'or, Bourgogne, France,2487 died on 21 September 1026 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France 1447,2487,2488 about age 71, and was buried in Dijon, Burgundy, France. Other names for Otto were William I, Eudes I Guillaume, Comte De BOURGOGNE, Otte-Guillaume De BOURGOGNE, Otto Guillaume, Comte De BOURGOGNE, Odo-William, Duke Of BURGUNDY, Otton I William, King Of LOMBARDY, and Eudes Guillaume Comte De MACON.

128710235432. William III Taillefer Count Of TOULOUSE,415,1997 son of Raymond V Taillefer Count Of TOULOUSE and Countess Of Toulouse Adelaide (Blanche\Adele) D' ANJOU [Countess Of Gevaf, was born about 975 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France 2684 and died in September 1037 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France 1997 about age 62.

General Notes: I originally, based on Turton, had William b. 947, d. 1037, and having children by his 990 marriage to Emma, who were born in 1015. This seems like a lot for a 68 year old man.

It turns out that the person born c 947 was another Raymond, probably son of Raymond, who m. Adelaide (Blanche) d'Anjou not Arsinde her sister (as some have it). William III is son of Raymond & Adelaide.

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The following is excerpted from a post to SGM, 30 Jul 2000, by Todd A Farmerie:

From: Todd A. Farmerie (farmerie@interfold.com)
Subject: Re: Adelaide d'Anjou (was Tiburge d'Orange)
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2000/07/30

William [III of Toulouse] married Arsinde, then Emma of Provence. Emma was daughter of Roubaud (Rodbold) II, brother of Count William II of Provence (and also Count - Provence was, several times, subdivided among brothers. A later such division produced what would become the independent County of Forcalquier, but I don't know if there was a formal partition between Rodbold II and William II, with Rodbold receiving the Forcalquier portion or if they held the undivided County of Provence jointly). Arsinde's placement as being from Anjou probably results from confusion with Adelaide. Stasser proposes that she was instead daughter of William II of Provence (and hence first cousin of Emma) by his first wife, Arsinde of Carcasonne. This would make her a distant relative, being daughter of Arnaud of C. and Arsinde, daughter of Ermengaud of Rouergue, uncle of Raymond Pons. By Arsinde, William III had Raymond and Henry, who both died young, while by Emma he had Pons, Bertrand, and several daughters. FWIW, he makes Odile "of Nice" who is being discussed in the Orange thread, as another daughter of William II of Provence and Arsinde.

taf

William married Arsinde De PROVENCE,2684 daughter of William II Count Of Arles & PROVENCE and Arsenda De COMMINGES, in 1st Wife.2684 Arsinde was born about 982 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France and died before 1014.

William next married Emma Venaissin De PROVENCE 1997 before 1014 in 2ND Wife.2684 Emma was born about 987 in Forcalquier, Alpes-DE-Haute-Provence, Provence, France and died after 1063 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France. Another name for Emma was Emma De FORCALQUIER.

Noted events in their marriage were:

• Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage, 990. 2151

• Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage, 990. 2151

The child from this marriage was:

64355117716        i.  Pons III Count Of TOULOUSE (born about 1015 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France - died in 1060 in St Sernin, Toulo, France)


128710235433. Emma Venaissin De PROVENCE 415,1997 was born about 987 in Forcalquier, Alpes-DE-Haute-Provence, Provence, France and died after 1063 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France. Another name for Emma was Emma De FORCALQUIER.

General Notes: Gt. Grandaughter of Boso II, d. 965/7. [Ancestral Roots]

Emma married William III Taillefer Count Of TOULOUSE,1997 son of Raymond V Taillefer Count Of TOULOUSE and Countess Of Toulouse Adelaide (Blanche\Adele) D' ANJOU [Countess Of Gevaf, before 1014 in 2ND Wife.2684 William was born about 975 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France 2684 and died in September 1037 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France 1997 about age 62.

Noted events in their marriage were:

• Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage, 990. 2151

• Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage, 990. 2151

128710235440. Boso I Vicomte De CHATELLERAULT,415,2158 son of Airaud I Vicomte De CHATELLERAULT and Gersende De MORTIMER, was born about 965 in Chatellerault, Vienne, Poitou, France and died in 1012 in Chatellerault, Vienne, Poitou, France 2158 about age 47.

Boso married Amelia.2158 Amelia was born about 970 in France.

The child from this marriage was:

64355117720        i.  Hugues Vicomte De CHATELLERAULT & Roche (born about 1008 in Chatellerault, Vienne, Poitou, France - died about 1075 in Roche, Haute Vienne, Limousin, France)


128710235441. Amelia 415,2158 was born about 970 in France.

Amelia married Boso I Vicomte De CHATELLERAULT,2158 son of Airaud I Vicomte De CHATELLERAULT and Gersende De MORTIMER. Boso was born about 965 in Chatellerault, Vienne, Poitou, France and died in 1012 in Chatellerault, Vienne, Poitou, France 2158 about age 47.

128710235442. Foucauld I Seigneur De LA ROCHE,415,2158 son of Joscelin De LUSIGNAN and Unknown, was born in 990 in Roche, Haute Vienne, Limousin, France and died in 1037 2158 at age 47.

Foucauld married Gersinde.2158 Gersinde was born in 994 in Roche, Haute Vienne, Limousin, France.

The child from this marriage was:

64355117721        i.  Gerberge De LA ROCHEFOUCAULD (born about 1024 in Roche, Haute Vienne, Limousin, France)


128710235443. Gersinde 415,2158 was born in 994 in Roche, Haute Vienne, Limousin, France.

Gersinde married Foucauld I Seigneur De LA ROCHE,2158 son of Joscelin De LUSIGNAN and Unknown. Foucauld was born in 990 in Roche, Haute Vienne, Limousin, France and died in 1037 2158 at age 47.

128710235456. Geoffrey I Taillefer Comte De ANGOULEME,415,1529,1831 son of Count Of Angouleme Guillaume II TAILLEFER and Countess Of Angouleme Gerberge D' ANJOU, was born in 988 in Angouleme, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France 1831 and died in 1048 1529,1831 at age 60.

Geoffrey married Petronille De ARCHIAC,1529,1831 daughter of Mainard "Le Riche" De ARCHIAC and Hildegarde, about 1014 in Angouleme, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France. Petronille was born about 994 in Archiac, Charente-Maritime, Poitou-Charentes, France.1831 Another name for Petronille was Petronille De ARCHAIC.

Children from this marriage were:

64355117728        i.  Foulque I Taillefer Comte De ANGOULEME (born in 1015 in Angouleme, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France - died in 1087)

                  ii.  Geoffrey Taillefer De ANGOULEME was born about 1017 in Angouleme, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France and died in 1075 about age 58. Another name for Geoffrey was Geoffrey TAILLEFER Of Angouleme.

                 iii.  Humberge De ANGOULEME was born about 1025 in Angouleme, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France.


128710235457. Petronille De ARCHIAC,415,1529,1831 daughter of Mainard "Le Riche" De ARCHIAC and Hildegarde, was born about 994 in Archiac, Charente-Maritime, Poitou-Charentes, France.1831 Another name for Petronille was Petronille De ARCHAIC.

Petronille married Geoffrey I Taillefer Comte De ANGOULEME,1529,1831 son of Count Of Angouleme Guillaume II TAILLEFER and Countess Of Angouleme Gerberge D' ANJOU, about 1014 in Angouleme, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France. Geoffrey was born in 988 in Angouleme, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France 1831 and died in 1048 1529,1831 at age 60.

128710235458. Ounorman (Qunormau) VAGENA 415,1529 was born about 1018 in France.

Ounorman married.

The child from this marriage was:

64355117729        i.  Condohe (Cundo) VAGENA (born about 1044 in Angouleme, Charente, Poitou-Charentes, France)


128710235468. Bernard I Comte De LA MARCHE,415,1529,1948,1997 son of Adalbert I Comte De LA MARCHE Et Perigord and Almode De LIMOGES, was born about 970 in Marche, Creuse, Limousin, France and died in September 1047 1997,2828 about age 77. Another name for Bernard was Bernard I Comte Of MARCHE.

Bernard married Amelie (Amelia) D' AUNAY,1529,2829 daughter of Cadelon IV Vicomte D' AUNAY and Arsendis, in 1st Wife. Amelie was born about 990 in Aulnay DE Saintonge, Charente-Maritime, Poitou, France and died before 1016. Another name for Amelie was Amelie (Amelia) D' AULNAY.

Bernard next married Amelie De RASEZ, daughter of Unknown and Lucie De PROVENCE, before 1016 in 2ND Wife. Amelie was born about 1000 in Le Razes, Narbonne, Languedoc, France and died in 1072 about age 72.

128710235469. Amelie (Amelia) D' AUNAY,415,1529,2829 daughter of Cadelon IV Vicomte D' AUNAY and Arsendis, was born about 990 in Aulnay DE Saintonge, Charente-Maritime, Poitou, France and died before 1016. Another name for Amelie was Amelie (Amelia) D' AULNAY.

Amelie married Bernard I Comte De LA MARCHE,1529,1948,1997 son of Adalbert I Comte De LA MARCHE Et Perigord and Almode De LIMOGES, in 1st Wife. Bernard was born about 970 in Marche, Creuse, Limousin, France and died in September 1047 1997,2828 about age 77. Another name for Bernard was Bernard I Comte Of MARCHE.

128710235472. Viscount Of Turenne Ebles I Vicomte De TURENNE,415,1529,1601,1746 son of Archambaud I Vicomte De COMBORN and Sulpice De TURENNE, was born about 970 in Turenne, Correze, Limousin, France and died about 1030 in Y 1529 about age 60.

Ebles married Viscountess Beatrice De NORMANDIE,1529,1601 daughter of Richard I "The Fearless" 3Rd Duke Of NORMANDY Count Of Rouen and Duchess Of Crepon & Norma Gunnora (Gunhilda) CREPON.1529 Beatrice was born about 975 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Archambaud III Vicomte De COMBORN was born about 1010 in Comborn, Correze, Limousin, France and died before 1053.

64355117736       ii.  Guillaume I Vicomte De TURENNE (born about 1015 in Turenne, Correze, Limousin, France)


128710235473. Viscountess Beatrice De NORMANDIE,415,1529,1601,1746 daughter of Richard I "The Fearless" 3Rd Duke Of NORMANDY Count Of Rouen and Duchess Of Crepon & Norma Gunnora (Gunhilda) CREPON, was born about 975 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.

Beatrice married Viscount Of Turenne Ebles I Vicomte De TURENNE,1529,1601 son of Archambaud I Vicomte De COMBORN and Sulpice De TURENNE.1529 Ebles was born about 970 in Turenne, Correze, Limousin, France and died about 1030 in Y 1529 about age 60.

128710235480. Rotrou I Vicomte Chateaudun Count Of MORTAGNE,415,2253,2617,2832 son of Geoffrey III Vicomte De CHATEAUDUN and Helvise (Elizabeth) Of CORBON, was born about 1015 in Chateaudun, Eure-Et-Loir, Beauce/Centre, France and died from about 1 March 1079 to 1080 in Nogent-Le-Rotrou, Eure-Et-Loire, Beauce/Centre, France 2832 about age 64. Another name for Rotrou was Rotrou I Vicomte De CHATEAUDUN Count Mortagne.

Rotrou married Adeline (Adeliz) De Belleme De DOMFRONT,2253,2834,2835 daughter of Warin (Guerin) De Belleme De DOMFRONT and Melisende De CHATEAUDUN, before 1041.2833 Adeline was born about 1018 in Domfront, Orne, Normandy, France. Another name for Adeline was Adeline (Adeliz) De BELLEME De Domfront.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Hugues III Vicomte De CHATEAUDUN was born about 1042 in Chateaudun, Eure-Et-Loir, Beauce/Centre, France and died in 1110 2836 about age 68.

64355117740       ii.  Geoffery II Count De Mortagne & Du PERCHE (born about 1045 in Mortagne-Au-Perche, Orne, Normandy, France - died in October 1100)


128710235481. Adeline (Adeliz) De Belleme De DOMFRONT,415,2253,2834,2835 daughter of Warin (Guerin) De Belleme De DOMFRONT and Melisende De CHATEAUDUN, was born about 1018 in Domfront, Orne, Normandy, France. Another name for Adeline was Adeline (Adeliz) De BELLEME De Domfront.

Adeline married Rotrou I Vicomte Chateaudun Count Of MORTAGNE,2253,2617,2832 son of Geoffrey III Vicomte De CHATEAUDUN and Helvise (Elizabeth) Of CORBON, before 1041.2833 Rotrou was born about 1015 in Chateaudun, Eure-Et-Loir, Beauce/Centre, France and died from about 1 March 1079 to 1080 in Nogent-Le-Rotrou, Eure-Et-Loire, Beauce/Centre, France 2832 about age 64. Another name for Rotrou was Rotrou I Vicomte De CHATEAUDUN Count Mortagne.

128710235482. Hildouin IV Comte De Ramerupt & MONTDIDIER,415,670,1335,1909,2219,2446,2447,2448 son of Hildouin III Comte De Ramerupt & MONTDIDIER and Lesseline, was born about 1010 in Montdidier, Somme, Picardy, France and died in 1063 in Ramerupt, Aube, Champagne, France 1270,2199,2448 about age 53. Another name for Hildouin was Hildouin IV Comte De RAMERUPT & Montdidier.

Hildouin married Alice (Alix\Adela) Countess De ROUCY,1270,2446,2447,2450 daughter of Ebles I Comte De Rheims & ROUCY and Beatrix Of HAINAULT, in 1031 2448.,2449 Alice was born about 1014 in Roucy, Aisne, Picardy, France 2450 and died in 1062 2451 about age 48.

128710235483. Alice (Alix\Adela) Countess De ROUCY,415,670,1270,2446,2447,2450 daughter of Ebles I Comte De Rheims & ROUCY and Beatrix Of HAINAULT, was born about 1014 in Roucy, Aisne, Picardy, France 2450 and died in 1062 2451 about age 48.

Noted events in her life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1063. 2450

Alice married Hildouin IV Comte De Ramerupt & MONTDIDIER,1335,1909,2219,2446,2447,2448 son of Hildouin III Comte De Ramerupt & MONTDIDIER and Lesseline, in 1031 2448.,2449 Hildouin was born about 1010 in Montdidier, Somme, Picardy, France and died in 1063 in Ramerupt, Aube, Champagne, France 1270,2199,2448 about age 53. Another name for Hildouin was Hildouin IV Comte De RAMERUPT & Montdidier.

128710235520. Ramon Berenguer I Count Of BARCELONA,415,2245 son of Berenguer Ramon I Count Of BARCELONA and Sancha Sanchez De CASTILE, was born between 1023 and 1024 in Barcelona, Spain 2245 and died on 26 May 1076 in Barcelona, Spain 2245 about age 52.

General Notes: Ramon Berenguer I, byname RAMON BERENGUER THE ELDER, Catalan RAMON BERENGUER EL VELL (b. 1023/24--d. May 26, 1076, Barcelona? [Spain]), count of Barcelona from 1035 to 1076.

His father, Berenguer Ramon I (reigned 1018-35), divided and bequeathed his lands among his three sons; however, Sanç (or Sancho) in 1049 and Guillem (or William) in 1054 renounced their inheritances in their eldest brother's favour, thus reuniting the lands. Ramon Berenguer I also expanded his domain by securing control over the adjacent counties of Ampurias and Pallars. His most noted achievement was convoking the local Cortes (assembly) and having it deliberate on a choice of Roman and medieval laws for Catalonia. The result was the promulgation of the celebrated legal code known as the Usatges de Barcelona (1064-68). [Encyclopaedia Britannica CD '97]

Ramon married Almonde (Almodis) De LA MARCHE,1997,2607 daughter of Bernard I Comte De LA MARCHE and Amelie (Amelia) D' AUNAY, after 1050 in 3rd Husband. Almonde was born about 1015 in Marche, Creuse, Limousin, France and died on 16 November 1071 in (Murdered) 1948 about age 56.

128710235521. Almonde (Almodis) De LA MARCHE,415,1997,2607 daughter of Bernard I Comte De LA MARCHE and Amelie (Amelia) D' AUNAY, was born about 1015 in Marche, Creuse, Limousin, France and died on 16 November 1071 in (Murdered) 1948 about age 56.

General Notes:
The following is excerpted from a post to SGM, 8 Apr 1999, by Todd Farmerie:

From: Todd A. Farmerie (taf2@po.cwru.edu)
Subject: Re: Still more Hugh de Lusignan
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 1999/04/08

Almodis b.ca. 990

m1. 1044/5 Pons of Toulous d. 1060 (several children)
m2. 1053 Raymond I Bernger
m3. Hugh V de Lusignan d. 1060 son Hugh VI b. ca. 1050 (latter date
according to Lusignan list recently provided by Gen-Med listers.)

She m1 Hugh, m2 Pons, m3 Ramon B.

Plenty of problems here. First we have Almodis marrying for the first time
at age 54/5 and having several children. Then we have her marrying for the
2nd time in 1053, age 63, while her first husband is still living. Then
she marries for a third time, year unknown, presumedly now in her late
60s, but has a son born to husband three in 1050 while still married to
husband two...

First of all, that ca. 990 birthdate is just wrong. As to remarrying while her former husband was still living, yes, she did that, twice, and it raised a few eyebrows at the time.

Whoever Paget is, he is stumbling badly thru his chronology.

Assuming that he was the source for the chronology, which is not certain.

taf

Almonde married Hugh V "Le Debonnaire" Sire De LUSIGNAN,1948 son of Hugh IV Sire De LUSIGNAN and Adelaide (Adelarde\Aldegarde) De THOUARS, about 1038. Hugh was born between 1015 and 1018 in Lusignan, Vienne, Poitou, France 1948 and died on 8 October 1060 1948 about age 45.

Almonde next married Pons III Count Of TOULOUSE,1997 son of William III Taillefer Count Of TOULOUSE and Emma Venaissin De PROVENCE, about 1039 in 2ND Husband 2ND Wife - Divorced.2151 Pons was born about 1015 in Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France and died in 1060 in St Sernin, Toulo, France 1997 about age 45.

Almonde next married Ramon Berenguer I Count Of BARCELONA,2245 son of Berenguer Ramon I Count Of BARCELONA and Sancha Sanchez De CASTILE, after 1050 in 3rd Husband. Ramon was born between 1023 and 1024 in Barcelona, Spain 2245 and died on 26 May 1076 in Barcelona, Spain 2245 about age 52.

128710235522. Robert I Guiscard De HAUTEVILLE Duke Apulia,415,1246,2121 son of Tancred "Guiscard" Seigneur De HAUTEVILLE Sir and Fressendis (Fredesende) Of NORMANDY, was born about 1015 in Hauteville, Manche, Normandy, France 2792 and died on 17 July 1085 at Seige Of Cephalonia, Greece 2792 about age 70. Other names for Robert were Robert I Guiscard De Hauteville Duke Of APULIA, and2792 Robert I GUISCARD De Hauteville Duke Of Apulia.

General Notes: All of the following information was copied from J.K. Loren, World Connect db=lorenfamily:

"This Robert was a Norman by birth, of obscure origin, with an overbearing character and a thoroughly villainous mind; he was a brave fighter, very cunning in his assaults on the wealth and power of great men; in achieving his aims absolutely inexorable, diverting criticism by incontrovertible argument. He was a man of immense stature, surpassing even the biggest men; he had a ruddy complexion, fair hair, broad shoulders, eyes that all but shot out sparks of fire. . . Homer remarked of Achilles that when he shouted his hearers had the impression of a multitude in uproar, but Robert's bellow, so they say, put tens of thousands to flight." The Alexiad, I, ii

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Robert, byname ROBERT GUISCARD, or ROBERT DE HAUTEVILLE, Italian ROBERTO GUISCARDO, or ROBERTO D'ALTAVILLA (b. c. 1015, Normandy [France]--d. July 17, 1085, near Cephalonia, Greece, Byzantine Empire), Norman adventurer who settled in Apulia, in southern Italy, about 1047 and became duke of Apulia (1059). He eventually extended Norman rule over Naples, Calabria, and Sicily and laid the foundations of the Kingdom of Sicily.

Arrival in Apulia

Robert was born into a family of knights. Arriving in Apulia, in southern Italy, around 1047 to join his half brother Drogo, he found that it and Campania, though they were southern Italy's most flourishing regions, were plagued by political disturbances. These regions attracted hordes of fortune-seeking Norman immigrants, who were to transform the political role of both regions in the following decades.

In Campania, the Lombards of Capua were launching wars against the Byzantine dukes of Naples in order to gain possession of that important seaport. In Apulia, William ("Iron Arm") de Hauteville, Robert's eldest half brother, having successfully defeated the Byzantine Greeks who controlled that region, had been elected count of Apulia in 1042. In 1046 he had been succeeded by his brother Drogo.

When Robert joined his brothers, they sent him to Calabria to attack Byzantine territory. He began his campaign by pillaging the countryside and ransoming its people. In 1053, at the head of the combined forces of Normans from Apulia and Campania, he defeated the haphazardly led forces of the Byzantines, the Lombards, and the papacy at Civitate. Because of the deaths of William and Drogo and of his third half brother, Count Humphrey, in 1057, Robert returned to Apulia to seize control from Humphrey's sons and save the region from disgregating internal conflicts. After becoming the recognized leader of the Apulian Normans, Robert resumed his campaign in Calabria. His brother Roger's arrival from Normandy enabled him to extend and solidify his conquests in Apulia.

In his progression from gang leader to commander of mercenary troops to conqueror, Robert emerged as a shrewd and perspicacious political figure. In 1059 he entered into a concordat at Melfi with Pope Nicholas II. Until that time the papacy had been hostile toward the Normans, considering them to be an anarchist force that upset the political structure in southern Italy--a structure based on a balance of power between the Byzantines and the Lombards of northern Italy. The schism that took place between the Greek and Latin churches in 1054 worsened the relations between the Byzantine emperors and the papacy, and eventually the papacy realized that Norman conquests over the Byzantines could work to its advantage. Robert's plan to expel the Arabs from Sicily and restore Christianity to the island also found favour in Nicholas' eyes. This expedition into Sicily got under way in 1060, as soon as the conquest of Calabria was completed. Robert entrusted the command of the expedition to his brother Roger, but on particularly difficult occasions--e.g., the siege of Palermo in 1071--he came to his brother's aid.

Until this time, Robert's relations with Roger had not always been amicable, since Roger, aware of both his own talent and Robert's dependency on him, would not settle for the subordinate role allotted him. Their differences were resolved when Robert invested Roger, after he had recognized Robert's supreme authority, with "the County of Sicily and Calabria" along with the right to govern and tax both counties.

Expansion of the Duchy

Robert continued to expand the small county left by Humphrey into a duchy, extending from the Adriatic to the Tyrrhenian sea. The capture of Bari in April 1071 resulted in the end of Byzantine rule in southern Italy. Robert turned next to the neighbouring territories of Salerno, controlled by the Lombards. Instead of fighting them, he dissolved his first marriage and in 1058 married the sister of Salerno's last Lombard prince, Gisulf II. Hostilities broke out between the two rulers, however, and Gisulf naively tried to bring about a Byzantine counteroffensive against Robert. Fearing that the Norman advances into Campania, Molise, and Abruzzi would threaten the papal dominions, Pope Gregory VII excommunicated Robert and gave Gisulf considerable military aid. The struggle came to a head when Gisulf, determined to display his power, advanced toward the prosperous city of Amalfi. Robert responded to the city's plea for help in 1073 and successfully defended it; in December 1076 he took Salerno from Gisulf and made it the capital of his duchy.

Robert was now at the height of his power. During his rise he repressed with an iron hand not only the claims of Humphrey's sons but also the uprisings of towns and lords that were fretting under the restraints imposed upon them. The harshness with which Robert chose to deal with these rebels was intended to transform a heterogeneous population into a strong, sovereign state.

When, in 1080, the conflict between church and state over the right to make ecclesiastical investitures had become more intense, Robert chose to reconcile himself with Gregory VII, entering into the Concordat of Ceprano, which confirmed the commitments of the earlier Council of Melfi. Even the Byzantine court drew closer to him and went as far as trying to establish a familial relationship with Robert. The Byzantine emperor Michael VII, in need of Robert's help to uphold his unstable throne, married his son, Constantine, to one of Robert's daughters, Helen. The opposition party, however, deposed Michael and confined Helen in a monastery. To guarantee Apulia against attack from the new rulers of Byzantium, Robert wanted the territories on the Adriatic coast of the Balkan Peninsula, and he began to build a large navy. Michael's expulsion and Helen's confinement reawakened his unappeased spirit of adventure and hastened his long-considered expedition. Now his goal was even more ambitious: to march to Byzantium and crown himself emperor in place of the deposed Michael.

In 1083 Robert landed in Epirus with a well-trained army and immediately succeeded in defeating the Byzantines and their Venetian allies. The pope, however, suddenly recalled him to Italy to help him expel the German king Henry IV, who was marching on Rome en route to claiming southern Italy for the Holy Roman Empire. Having returned home and suppressed the revolts of the lords hostile to himself and to Pope Gregory VII, Robert moved toward Rome, defeated the pope's enemies, and escorted him to Salerno in the summer of 1084. Following this success, he returned to his campaign on the Adriatic coast. He died during the siege of Cephalonia on July 17, 1085.

Achievements

Physically attractive, endowed with an acute and unscrupulous intelligence, a brilliant strategist and competent statesman, Robert had begun to organize a state composed of diverse ethnic and civil groups: Latin and Germanic in Lombard territories and Greek in Byzantine domains. The new political structure was built on a monarchial-feudal framework characteristic of the time, but it was controlled by the energetic and uncompromising Robert, who tried to use his ducal power to create a powerful and prosperous state. The other base on which he built was Roman Catholicism, the religion of the conquerors and most of the conquered, which he used to reconcile the subjected peoples. An extremely religious man, Robert was distrustful of the Greek clergy because of their ties with Byzantium. On the other hand, his generosity toward the Latin church was bountiful. He endowed it with territories and clerical immunities in order to tie it firmly to the feudal system. Splendid cathedrals and Benedictine abbeys were built in the hope that they would consolidate and diffuse Latin language and culture among the heterogeneous people and tie them into a new, unified state. Robert was kept from realizing this political vision only by his death. [Encyclopaedia Britannica CD, 1996, ROBERT GUISCARD]

Robert married Albreda (Auberee\Alberada) De BURGUNDY,2247,2571 daughter of Rainald I, Count Palatine Of BURGUNDY and Princess & Countess Of Bu Adelais (Judith) De NORMANDY, in 1st Wife - Divorced (Consanguinity).2247 Albreda was born about 1026 in Bourgogne, France and died after July 1122.

Robert next married Sigelgaita (Sichelgaite) Princess Of SALERNO,1246,2571,2792 daughter of Guaimar IV Prince Of Capua & Amalfi & SALERNO and Porpora Of TABELLARIA, in 1058.2792 Sigelgaita was born in 1031 in Salerno, Italy and died on 27 July 1090 2794 at age 59.

128710235523. Sigelgaita (Sichelgaite) Princess Of SALERNO,415,1246,2571,2792 daughter of Guaimar IV Prince Of Capua & Amalfi & SALERNO and Porpora Of TABELLARIA, was born in 1031 in Salerno, Italy and died on 27 July 1090 2794 at age 59.

Sigelgaita married Robert I Guiscard De HAUTEVILLE Duke Apulia,1246,2121 son of Tancred "Guiscard" Seigneur De HAUTEVILLE Sir and Fressendis (Fredesende) Of NORMANDY, in 1058.2792 Robert was born about 1015 in Hauteville, Manche, Normandy, France 2792 and died on 17 July 1085 at Seige Of Cephalonia, Greece 2792 about age 70. Other names for Robert were Robert I Guiscard De Hauteville Duke Of APULIA, and2792 Robert I GUISCARD De Hauteville Duke Of Apulia.

128710235524. Berenger Vicomte De RODEZ,415,2482 son of Richard II Vicomte De RODEZ and Rixinde De NARBONNE, was born about 1040 in Rodes, Pyrenees-Orientales, Languedoc-Roussillon, France and died after 12 April 1080 in Gevaudan, Alpes-DE-Haute-Provence, Provence, France. Another name for Berenger was Berenguer II Vicomte De GEVAUDAN.

Berenger married Adyle (Adele) Vicomtessa De CARLAT,2482 daughter of Gilbert II Vicomte De CARLAT and Nobile De LODEVE. Adyle was born about 1041 in Carlat, Cantal, Auvergne, France.

The child from this marriage was:

64355117762        i.  Gerbert Vicomte De CARLAT Comte De Provence (born about 1060 in Carlat, Cantal, Auvergne, France - died in 1110 in Milhaud, Gard, Languedoc, France)


128710235525. Adyle (Adele) Vicomtessa De CARLAT,415,2482 daughter of Gilbert II Vicomte De CARLAT and Nobile De LODEVE, was born about 1041 in Carlat, Cantal, Auvergne, France.

Adyle married Berenger Vicomte De RODEZ,2482 son of Richard II Vicomte De RODEZ and Rixinde De NARBONNE. Berenger was born about 1040 in Rodes, Pyrenees-Orientales, Languedoc-Roussillon, France and died after 12 April 1080 in Gevaudan, Alpes-DE-Haute-Provence, Provence, France. Another name for Berenger was Berenguer II Vicomte De GEVAUDAN.

128710235526. Geoffrey I Count Of ARLES,415,2482 son of William III Count Of Arles & PROVENCE and Gerberga De BOURGOGNE, was born about 1017 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France and died in 1063 about age 46. Another name for Geoffrey was Geoffrey I Count Of PROVENCE.

Geoffrey married Stephanie (Ettienette) (Dulce) Of MARSEILLE,2482,2619 daughter of Guillaume II "Le Gros" Vicomte De MARSEILLE and Stephanie (Etienette) De RIANS. Stephanie was born about 1033 in Marseille, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France and died after September 1095.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Bertrand II Count Of ARLES was born about 1050 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France and died in 1093 about age 43. Another name for Bertrand was Bertrand II Count Of PROVENCE.

                  ii.  Stefanie De PROVENCE was born about 1051 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France.

64355117763      iii.  Gerberge Of ARLES (born about 1060 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France)


128710235527. Stephanie (Ettienette) (Dulce) Of MARSEILLE,415,2482,2619 daughter of Guillaume II "Le Gros" Vicomte De MARSEILLE and Stephanie (Etienette) De RIANS, was born about 1033 in Marseille, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France and died after September 1095.

Stephanie married Geoffrey I Count Of ARLES,2482 son of William III Count Of Arles & PROVENCE and Gerberga De BOURGOGNE. Geoffrey was born about 1017 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France and died in 1063 about age 46. Another name for Geoffrey was Geoffrey I Count Of PROVENCE.

128710235528. Ramiro I 1St King Of ARAGON,415,2837 son of Sancho III Garces "The Great" King Of NAVARRE and Urraca Of ALVAR, was born about 1020 in Aragon, Spain and died on 8 May 1063 2837 about age 43.

Ramiro married Gerberge De BIGORRE,2838 daughter of Bernard-Rodger Seigneur De FOIX Count Bigorre and Gersinde Countess De BIGORRE, on 22 August 1036 in Jaca, Spain. Gerberge was born about 1022 in Carcassonne, Aude, Languedoc, France.

Children from this marriage were:

64355117764        i.  Sancho Ramirez (V Of Navarre) King Of ARAGON (born before 1045 in Aragon, Spain - died on 6 July 1094 in Huesca, Aragon, Spain (Killed During Seige Of Huesca))

                  ii.  Sancha Of ARAGON was born about 1046 in Aragon, Spain and died in 1073 about age 27.


128710235529. Gerberge De BIGORRE,415,2838 daughter of Bernard-Rodger Seigneur De FOIX Count Bigorre and Gersinde Countess De BIGORRE, was born about 1022 in Carcassonne, Aude, Languedoc, France.

Gerberge married Ramiro I 1St King Of ARAGON,2837 son of Sancho III Garces "The Great" King Of NAVARRE and Urraca Of ALVAR, on 22 August 1036 in Jaca, Spain. Ramiro was born about 1020 in Aragon, Spain and died on 8 May 1063 2837 about age 43.

128710235530. Hildouin IV Comte De Ramerupt & MONTDIDIER,415,670,1335,1909,2219,2446,2447,2448 son of Hildouin III Comte De Ramerupt & MONTDIDIER and Lesseline, was born about 1010 in Montdidier, Somme, Picardy, France and died in 1063 in Ramerupt, Aube, Champagne, France 1270,2199,2448 about age 53. Another name for Hildouin was Hildouin IV Comte De RAMERUPT & Montdidier.

Hildouin married Alice (Alix\Adela) Countess De ROUCY,1270,2446,2447,2450 daughter of Ebles I Comte De Rheims & ROUCY and Beatrix Of HAINAULT, in 1031 2448.,2449 Alice was born about 1014 in Roucy, Aisne, Picardy, France 2450 and died in 1062 2451 about age 48.

128710235531. Alice (Alix\Adela) Countess De ROUCY,415,670,1270,2446,2447,2450 daughter of Ebles I Comte De Rheims & ROUCY and Beatrix Of HAINAULT, was born about 1014 in Roucy, Aisne, Picardy, France 2450 and died in 1062 2451 about age 48.

Noted events in her life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1063. 2450

Alice married Hildouin IV Comte De Ramerupt & MONTDIDIER,1335,1909,2219,2446,2447,2448 son of Hildouin III Comte De Ramerupt & MONTDIDIER and Lesseline, in 1031 2448.,2449 Hildouin was born about 1010 in Montdidier, Somme, Picardy, France and died in 1063 in Ramerupt, Aube, Champagne, France 1270,2199,2448 about age 53. Another name for Hildouin was Hildouin IV Comte De RAMERUPT & Montdidier.

128710235540. Ferdinand I "The Great" King Of Leon & CASTILE,415,2839 son of Sancho III Garces "The Great" King Of NAVARRE and Munia Of CASTILE, was born in 1016 in Burgos, Spain 2839 and died on 27 December 1065 in Leon, Spain 2839 at age 49. Another name for Ferdinand was Ferdinand I "The Great" King Of LEON & Castile.

Ferdinand married Sancha Princess Of LEON,2839 daughter of Alfonso V "The Noble" King Of LEON and Elvira Gonzales Of VALDES, about November 1032 in Leon, Spain. Sancha was born about 1017 in Leon, Spain and died on 7 November 1067 about age 50.

The child from this marriage was:

64355117770        i.  Alfonso VI "The Brave" King Of Leon & CASTILE (born before June 1040 in Burgos, Castile, Spain - died on 29 June 1109 in Toledo, Castile, Spain)


128710235541. Sancha Princess Of LEON,415,2839 daughter of Alfonso V "The Noble" King Of LEON and Elvira Gonzales Of VALDES, was born about 1017 in Leon, Spain and died on 7 November 1067 about age 50.

General Notes:
In 1029 Count García Sánchez of Castilla was about to be married to Sancha of León, the sister of Vermudo III, an arrangement apparently sanctioned by the king of Navarra, when the count was murdered in the city of León. Sancho el Mayor of Navarra then claimed the county of Castilla in his wife's name and installed in it their son, Fernando, as the new count of Castilla. After he had forced the marriage between Fernando and Sancha in 1032, those lands went to Castilla as part of her dowry. In 1034 he wrested the city of León itself from Vermudo, who retreated into Galicia, and began to style himself "Emperor" on his coinage. He was killed at a battle in 1037 and succeeded by Sancha and her husband. During their reign the kingdom was consolidated and expanded further.
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Sancha married Ferdinand I "The Great" King Of Leon & CASTILE,2839 son of Sancho III Garces "The Great" King Of NAVARRE and Munia Of CASTILE, about November 1032 in Leon, Spain. Ferdinand was born in 1016 in Burgos, Spain 2839 and died on 27 December 1065 in Leon, Spain 2839 at age 49. Another name for Ferdinand was Ferdinand I "The Great" King Of LEON & Castile.

128710235542. Robert I "The Old" Duke Of BURGUNDY,415,1601,1746,2237,2238 son of Robert II "The Pious" King Of FRANCE and Queen Of France Constance De TOULOUSE, was born about 1011 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France,2238 died from 21 March 1075 to 1076 in Fleury-Sur-Ouche, Cote-D'or, Bourgogne, France 2238 about age 64, and was buried in St Seine Abbey, Semur.

Robert married Helie (Ella) De SEMUR,1601,2238,2239 daughter of Dalmas I Comte De SEMUR and Aremburge De NEVERS, about 1033 in , , , France.2238 Helie was born in 1016 in Semur-En-Brionnais, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France 2239 and died after 22 April 1055 in Dijon, Cote-D'or, Bourgogne, France 2239. Another name for Helie was Eleanor Of Seomur En AUXOIS.

Robert next married Ermengarde D' ANJOU [Countess Of Gastinois] 1601,2242 about 1048 in France. Ermengarde was born in 1018 in Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France and died from 21 March 1075 to 1076 in Fleury-Sur-Ouche, Anjou/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France 2243 at age 57.

128710235543. Helie (Ella) De SEMUR,415,1601,1746,2238,2239 daughter of Dalmas I Comte De SEMUR and Aremburge De NEVERS, was born in 1016 in Semur-En-Brionnais, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France 2239 and died after 22 April 1055 in Dijon, Cote-D'or, Bourgogne, France 2239. Another name for Helie was Eleanor Of Seomur En AUXOIS.

Noted events in her life were:

• Alt. Birth: Alt. Birth, 1028. 2238

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1109. 2238

Helie married Robert I "The Old" Duke Of BURGUNDY,1601,2237,2238 son of Robert II "The Pious" King Of FRANCE and Queen Of France Constance De TOULOUSE, about 1033 in , , , France.2238 Robert was born about 1011 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France,2238 died from 21 March 1075 to 1076 in Fleury-Sur-Ouche, Cote-D'or, Bourgogne, France 2238 about age 64, and was buried in St Seine Abbey, Semur.


128710235544. Vladislas Herman I King Of POLAND,415,2840 son of Casimir I "The Restorer" King Of POLAND and Dobroniega Princess Of KIEV, was born about 1043 in Krakow, Poland 2840 and died on 4 June 1102 2840 about age 59. Another name for Vladislas was Wladyslaw I Herman King of POLAND.2406

General Notes:
Duke of Poland (1079–1102), brother and successor of Boleslaus II. His rule was one of weakness and decline. At his death the kingdom passed to his two sons, Zbigniew and Boleslaus III.

Vladislas married Judith Of BOHEMIA,2840 daughter of Vratislav II (Wratislav Ii) King Of BOHEMIA and Adelaide Princess Of HUNGARY, about 1080.2840 Judith was born about 1062 in Prague, Czechoslovakia and died on 25 December 1085 2840 about age 23.

The child from this marriage was:

64355117772        i.  Boleslas III "The Crooked" King Of POLAND (born on 20 August 1085 in Krakaow, Poland - died on 28 October 1138)


128710235545. Judith Of BOHEMIA,415,2840 daughter of Vratislav II (Wratislav Ii) King Of BOHEMIA and Adelaide Princess Of HUNGARY, was born about 1062 in Prague, Czechoslovakia and died on 25 December 1085 2840 about age 23.

Judith married Vladislas Herman I King Of POLAND,2840 son of Casimir I "The Restorer" King Of POLAND and Dobroniega Princess Of KIEV, about 1080.2840 Vladislas was born about 1043 in Krakow, Poland 2840 and died on 4 June 1102 2840 about age 59. Another name for Vladislas was Wladyslaw I Herman King of POLAND.2406


128710235546. Sviatapolk II Grand Duke Of KIEV,415,2627 son of Izyaslav I Yaroslavich Grand Duke Of KIEV and Gertrude Princess Of POLAND, was born in 1050 in Kiev, Ukraine 2841 and died on 16 April 1113 2841 at age 63. Another name for Sviatapolk was Svyatopolk II Izyaslavich.

General Notes:
He was born in 1050 the son of Izyaslav I Yaroslavich and Gertrude, daughter of King Mieszko II of Poland and sister of King Casmir. He married a daughter (probably Elina) of Polovtsi Khan Tugor, and later Barbara Comnena, Byzantine princess. He also had a concubine. From these women he had sons, Mstislav, prince of Vladimir-in-Volynia (killed in 1099); Yaroslav, prince of Vladimir in Volynia (killed in 1123); Bryacheslav (d 1127), and Izyaslav (d 1128); and daughters Anna, married to Svyatoslav prince of Lutsk; Sbyslava, married to Boleslaw III, Duke of Poland; Predslava, married to Geza I King of Hungary; and Maria, married to Peter Wlast. Yaroslav Svyatopolchich had sons Yuri and Vyacheslav who continued the House of Turov and Pinsk.

He was Prince of Polotsk from 1069 to 1071, then Prince of Novgorod 1078-88) and then Prince of Turov (1088-93). His descendents formed the House of Turov and Pinsk. He became prince of Kiev in 1093 on the death of his uncle, Vsyevolod I Yaroslavich. The Polovtsi raided Rus' soon after Vsyevolod's death and sought to buy peace with the new prince, Svyatopolk. Against his Kiev druzhina's wishes, but listening only to his own followers from Turov, he incarcerated the Polovtsi ambassadors. This enraged the Polovtsi who came in force to attack Kyiv. Facing an army of Polovtsi of eight thousand, he took the advice of others who counseled to seek Vladimir Monomakh's help. Monomakh not only came with his troops but called upon his brother Rostislav from Pereyaslavl. The meeting with Svyatopolk took place in the "family" monastery of Monomakh---Vydubitsii; tempers flared as Monomakh insisted on peace with the Polovtsi while Svyatopolk wanted war. It is considered that arguments to and fro were glossed over and a union was achieved. Svyatopolk released the Polovtsi ambassadors. The armies of the three princes joined together and set out for Trepol'. Characterizing the type of cut-throats that these men were is the incident in which Rostislav stopped at the Pechora monastery for a blessing by the Metropolitan Gregory, whom he ordered to be drowned. It is doubtful that the sentence was carried out however. Approaching the river Stugna the princes were undecided, so they stopped to have a council. The Polovtsi were across the river. Monomakh (whose wife was a Polovtsi princess), continued to demand that they sue for peace. But the Kyivan troops wanted battle. The Russians crossed the river nevertheless and met the Polovtsi in the first of two valleys at the rampart of Trepol. Svyatapolk deployed on the right, Rostislav in the center and Vladimir on the left. Following a long and bloody battle the Russians were badly beaten and a panic ensued; Svyatapolk's troops ran first. Rostislav and Monomakh attempted to swim the river Stugna and Rostislav drowned, and Monomakh retreated to Chernigiv. This was all in early 1093. Svyatopolk stopped in Trepol' before continuing the next day to Kiev. After besieging Torchesk for 9 weeks the Polovtsi sent half their army toward Kyiv. Once again Svyatopolk went out to battle. In July Svyatopolk was defeated even worse. The Polovtsi raided far and wideand then returned to Torchesk. The town was finally starved into surrender, whereupon it was destroyed and the population taken into slavery. Svyatopolk was forced to sue for peace which cost him a "Kalym'" the pay-off of the groom for the bride of the Tugor Khan and his family. So he wound up with a Polovtsi wife as well.

Svyatopolk was a ruthless self-serving despot whose machinations resulted in great misery for many and hideous death for others. The monk Policarp wrote admonitions pleading for the restoration of the salt concession, which had been forceably seized from Saint Prokhor and used for speculation, and to hasten the liberty of the incarcerated Lavra monastery monk Ionas in the Turov dungeon. Svyatopolk's son, Mstislav, had tortured two monks, Vasilii and Feodor, for having hidden the treasures of the Varangians. The Orthodox church recognizes them as martyrs. During the second half of his reign, Svyatopolk evidently established closer ties with the representatives of the clergy with whom he had been at odds. He sought the blessings of the church prior to military campaigns and bestowed grants to the Lavra monastery. In 1108 he presided over the canonization of Saint Theodosii and laid the cornerstone of the Mikhailo-Zlatoverkh church, so named because his patron saint was the Archangel Michael. Kiev's Saint Sophia and Mikhailovsky Cathedrals (built in 1108 by Svyatopolk Izyaslavich) of the Mikhailovo-Zlatoverkh Monastery (also in Kiev) founded in the middle of XIth century are the only two known churches in Russia that in ancient times were partially decorated in mosaics. The Mikhailovsky Cathedral was originally named Dmitievsky after Dmitri -Izyaslav Yaroslavich who founded the monastery. The cathedral was dismembered by Soviet authorities to make room for a new square and thus was destroyed one of the most extraordinary examples of ancient architecture. 2842

Sviatapolk married.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Predslava Svyatopolkovna Of KIEV was born about 1085 in Kiev, Ukraine and died after 1128.

64355117773       ii.  Zbyslava Of KIEV (born in 1086 in Kiev, Ukraine - died in 1113)


128710235548. Leopold II "The Fair" Margrave Of AUSTRIA,415,2843 son of Ernst "The Valiant" Margrave Of AUSTRIA and Adelheid Von Meissen Margravine Of OSTMARK, was born in 1050 in Tulin, Niederosterreich, Austria 1984 and died on 12 October 1102 2844 at age 52.

General Notes: Crusader 1101.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1096. 1984

• Ruled: 1075-1102

Leopold married Itha Princess Of GERMANY,2843 daughter of Henry III Le Noir, Emperor Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE and Agnes Of Poitou, Duchess Of BAVARIA, in 1st Wife. Itha was born about 1051 in Bavaria, Germany and died before 1071.

The child from this marriage was:

                   i.  Sophia Of AUSTRIA was born about 1068 in Tulin, Niederosterreich, Austria and died in 1154 2845 about age 86.

Leopold next married Ida Von CHAM,2844 daughter of Rapoto IV Count Of CHAM and Mathilde Of KASTL, about 1071. Ida was born about 1058 in Cham, Oberpfaiz, Bavaria and died after 1101.

Children from this marriage were:

64355117774        i.  Leopold III "Saint" Margrave Of AUSTRIA Duke Of Austria (born about 1075 in Klosterneuberg, Niederostereich, Austria - died on 15 November 1136 in Abbey, Klosterneuberg, Niederostereich, Austria)

                  ii.  Elizabeth Of AUSTRIA was born about 1081 in Austria.

                 iii.  Adelheid Von BABENBERG was born about 1082 in Babenberg, Germany and died about 1120 about age 38.

                  iv.  Eufemie Princess Of AUSTRIA was born about 1086 in Wien (Vienna), Austria.


128710235549. Ida Von CHAM,415,2844 daughter of Rapoto IV Count Of CHAM and Mathilde Of KASTL, was born about 1058 in Cham, Oberpfaiz, Bavaria and died after 1101.

General Notes: Captive 1101 of Sultan Kilidj Arslan & put in Harem.

Ida married Leopold II "The Fair" Margrave Of AUSTRIA,2843 son of Ernst "The Valiant" Margrave Of AUSTRIA and Adelheid Von Meissen Margravine Of OSTMARK, about 1071. Leopold was born in 1050 in Tulin, Niederosterreich, Austria 1984 and died on 12 October 1102 2844 at age 52.


128710235550. Henry IV Of Germany, Emperor Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE,415,1444,2820,2823 son of Henry III Le Noir, Emperor Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE and Agnes Of Poitou, Duchess Of BAVARIA, was born on 11 November 1050 in Goslar, -, Germany,2630,2820,2823 died on 7 August 1106 in Luttich 2630,2820,2823 at age 55, and was buried in Liege, -, Belgium.2630 Other names for Henry were Henri IV, Henry VIII Duke Of BAVARIA, and Henry IV Of FRANCONIA.

Noted events in his life were:

• Ruled: 1056-1106

Henry married Bertha Margravine Of TURIN,2820,2823 daughter of Otto (Eudes) De Maurienne Count Of Turin & SAVOY and Adelaida, Contessa Di TORINO, in 1066 in 1st Wife 1447,2820.,2823 Bertha was born on 21 September 1051 in Mauerienne, Savoy, France,2822 died on 27 December 1087 2822,2823 at age 36, and was buried in Spayer.2822 Another name for Bertha was Berta, Principessa Di SAVOIA.

Children from this marriage were:

64355117775        i.  Crusader Agnes, Imperial Princess Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE (born in 1074 in Klosterneuburg, Niederoesterrich, Austria - died on 24 September 1143)

                  ii.  Emperor Henry V of Saxony & HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE was born on 11 August 1086 in Bavaria, Germany,1430,1436 died on 23 May 1125 in Utrecht, Utrecht, The Netherlands 1430,1436 at age 38, and was buried in Speyer, -, -. Other names for Henry were Heinrich, and Le Lion=The Lion.

                 iii.  Conrad, Emperor Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE was born on 12 February 1074 in Bavaria, Germany 1447 and died on 27 July 1101 in Florence, Tuscany, Italy 1447 at age 27.

Henry next married Eupraxia Of KIEV,2820,2823 daughter of Vsevolod I Grand Duke Of KIEV and Unknown, on 14 August 1089 in 2ND Wife - Divorced 1099 1436,1447,2820.,2823 Eupraxia was born about 1070 in Kiev, Ukraine and died on 10 July 1109 1436 about age 39. Other names for Eupraxia were Evpraksia, and Praxédis RURIKIDE.

Henry next married Alex De BOULOGNE.


128710235551. Bertha Margravine Of TURIN,415,1444,2820,2823 daughter of Otto (Eudes) De Maurienne Count Of Turin & SAVOY and Adelaida, Contessa Di TORINO, was born on 21 September 1051 in Mauerienne, Savoy, France,2822 died on 27 December 1087 2822,2823 at age 36, and was buried in Spayer.2822 Another name for Bertha was Berta, Principessa Di SAVOIA.

Bertha married Henry IV Of Germany, Emperor Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE,2820,2823 son of Henry III Le Noir, Emperor Of The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE and Agnes Of Poitou, Duchess Of BAVARIA, in 1066 in 1st Wife 1447,2820.,2823 Henry was born on 11 November 1050 in Goslar, -, Germany,2630,2820,2823 died on 7 August 1106 in Luttich 2630,2820,2823 at age 55, and was buried in Liege, -, Belgium.2630 Other names for Henry were Henri IV, Henry VIII Duke Of BAVARIA, and Henry IV Of FRANCONIA.

128710235552. Guillaume I Comte De SABRAN,415 son of Rostaign II Comte De SABRAN and Unknown, was born before 1068 in Sabran, Gard, Languedoc, France and died after 1109.

Guillaume married Adalaicia. Adalaicia was born about 1070 in France.

The child from this marriage was:

64355117776        i.  Rostaign III Comte De SABRAN (born about 1090 in Sabran, Gard, Languedoc, France - died in November 1184)


128710235553. Adalaicia 415 was born about 1070 in France.

Adalaicia married Guillaume I Comte De SABRAN, son of Rostaign II Comte De SABRAN and Unknown. Guillaume was born before 1068 in Sabran, Gard, Languedoc, France and died after 1109.

128710235554. Giraud AMIC Seigneur De Vedene,415 son of Piers (Peter) AMIC Seigneur De Vedene and Agnes, was born about 1062 in Vedene, Vaucluse, Provence, France and died in 1113 about age 51.

Giraud married Ayelmna. Ayelmna was born about 1065 in France.

The child from this marriage was:

64355117777        i.  Constance AMIC (born about 1090 in Vedene, Vaucluse, Provence, France - died in 1136)


128710235555. Ayelmna 415 was born about 1065 in France.

Ayelmna married Giraud AMIC Seigneur De Vedene, son of Piers (Peter) AMIC Seigneur De Vedene and Agnes. Giraud was born about 1062 in Vedene, Vaucluse, Provence, France and died in 1113 about age 51.

128710235560. Raymond I DECAEN Doyen D'avignon,415,2173 son of Berenger I Vicomte D' AVIGNON and Gerberge De SISTERON, was born about 1040 in Avignon, Vaucluse, Provence, France 2173 and died before 1096 2173.

Raymond married Miss De POSQUIERES,2173 daughter of Rostaing I Seigneur De POSQUIERES and Unknown. Miss was born about 1050 in Pesquieres, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France.2173

The child from this marriage was:

64355117780        i.  Raymond II DECAEN Seigneur D'uzes & Posquieres (born about 1075 in Pesquieres, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France - died in August 1138 in Uzes, Gard, Languedoc, France)


128710235561. Miss De POSQUIERES,415,2173 daughter of Rostaing I Seigneur De POSQUIERES and Unknown, was born about 1050 in Pesquieres, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France.2173

Miss married Raymond I DECAEN Doyen D'avignon,2173 son of Berenger I Vicomte D' AVIGNON and Gerberge De SISTERON. Raymond was born about 1040 in Avignon, Vaucluse, Provence, France 2173 and died before 1096 2173.

128710235562. Elzear I Seigneur D' UZES 415,2173 was born about 1055 in Uzes, Gard, Languedoc, France 2173 and died about 1125 2846 about age 70.

General Notes: Mike Talbot indicated that Elzear had Beatrix as a daughter, but I believe that Beatrix married Elzear's grandson.

Elzear married.

The child from this marriage was:

64355117781        i.  Marie D' UZES (born about 1085 in Uzes, Gard, Languedoc, France)


128710235568. Armengol (Ermengaud) IV Count Of URGEL,415,1541 son of Armengol (Ermengaud) III Count Of URGEL and Clemencia De BIGORRE, was born in 1052 in Urgel, Lerida, Spain and died on 28 March 1092 at age 40.

Armengol married Adelaide Countess Of FORCALQUIER,1541 daughter of William Bertrand Count Of FORCALQUIER and Adelaide Cavanez Of IVREA, in 1st Wife.1541 Adelaide was born in 1054 in Forcalquier, Alpes-DE-Haute-Provence, Provence, France and died about 1110 1541 about age 56.

The child from this marriage was:

64355117784        i.  Guillaume Count Of FORCALQUIER (born in 1078 in Forcalquier, Alpes-DE-Haute-Provence, Provence, France - died in October 1129)


128710235569. Adelaide Countess Of FORCALQUIER,415,1541 daughter of William Bertrand Count Of FORCALQUIER and Adelaide Cavanez Of IVREA, was born in 1054 in Forcalquier, Alpes-DE-Haute-Provence, Provence, France and died about 1110 1541 about age 56.

Adelaide married Armengol (Ermengaud) IV Count Of URGEL,1541 son of Armengol (Ermengaud) III Count Of URGEL and Clemencia De BIGORRE, in 1st Wife.1541 Armengol was born in 1052 in Urgel, Lerida, Spain and died on 28 March 1092 at age 40.

128710235570. Guigues III Comte D' ALBON,415,670,2176,2409 son of Guigues II "The Fat" Comte D' ALBON and Petronell De ANNONAY, was born between 1050 and 1060 in St Rambert D'albon, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France 2176 and died on 21 December 1125 2409,2410 about age 75.

General Notes: Leo van de Pas, citing ES, does no mention any background for his wife Mathilda, nor any prior marriage, which Todd Farmerier gives for her. Leo's marriage date of 1106 or 1110 seems a little late; the dates of the children would seem to make the marriage soon after the death of Mathilda's first husband. Even though Gersende is supposedly a daughter of Mathilda as well, there is no way that she could have been born as late as 1101, so I am making her a daughter of Guigues' first wife.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, Between 1132 and 1133. 2176

Guigues married Unknown First WIFE in 1st Wife.2409 Unknown was born about 1070 in France and died before 1101.

Guigues next married Matilda Of SICILY,2176,2409 daughter of Roger I De Hauteville Count Of SICILY and Erembourge (Eremberga) De MORTAIN, after 1101 in 2ND Husband 2ND Wife.2247 Matilda was born about 1077 in Sicily, Italy and died after 1130 2409. Another name for Matilda was Mathilda De HAUTEVILLE Of Sicily.

Noted events in their marriage were:

• Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage 2nd wife, Between 1106 and 1110. 2409

• Alt. Marriage: Alt. Marriage, Between 1106 and 1110. 2409 2nd wife

128710235571. Unknown First WIFE 415,670 was born about 1070 in France and died before 1101.

Unknown married Guigues III Comte D' ALBON,2176,2409 son of Guigues II "The Fat" Comte D' ALBON and Petronell De ANNONAY, in 1st Wife.2409 Guigues was born between 1050 and 1060 in St Rambert D'albon, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France 2176 and died on 21 December 1125 2409,2410 about age 75.

128710235572. Henri De FLOTTE 415 was born in 1048 in Ravel, France.

Henri married.

The child from this marriage was:

64355117786        i.  Arnaud De FLOTTE (born in 1075 in Ravel, France)


128710235576. Raymond-Bernard II TRENCAVEL Vicomte De Nimes,415,2408 son of Bernard-Aton III TRENCAVEL Vicomte De Nimes and Rangearde De LA MARCHE, was born in 1036 in Nimes, Gard, Languedoc, France and died in 1074 in Albi, Tarn, Languedoc, France 2408 at age 38.

General Notes: The following is excerpted from a post to soc.genealogy.medieval, 23 Nov 2001, by Nathaniel Taylor.

7. Raimond Bernard Trencavel, d. 1074, vc Nimes & Albi, ? Ermengarde, ca Carcassonne & Rasès; vca Béziers & Agde (see ES 3:145N); issue:
.... Bernard Ato I (& IV), d. 1129/30, vc Carcassonne, Rasès, Béziers, Agde, Albi, & Nimes, who follows.
.... Guillemeta, ? (1) Peire Ato, vc Bruniquel; ? (2) Hug de la Roca.

Raymond-Bernard married Ermengarde De CARCASSONNE,2408 daughter of Pierre-Raymond Count Of CARCASSONNE and Rangearde TRENCAVEL, in 1066. Ermengarde was born in 1051 in Carcassonne, Aude, Languedoc, France and died after 1112.

The child from this marriage was:

64355117788        i.  Bernard-Aton TRENCAVEL Vicomte De Carcassonne (born after 1066 in Carcassonne, Aude, Languedoc, France - died in 1129 in Albi, Tarn, Languedoc, France)


128710235577. Ermengarde De CARCASSONNE,415,2408 daughter of Pierre-Raymond Count Of CARCASSONNE and Rangearde TRENCAVEL, was born in 1051 in Carcassonne, Aude, Languedoc, France and died after 1112.

General Notes: Ermengarde would appear to be Raymond-Bernard's niece. This is the second time in this Trencavel pedigree that it has occurred. And, once again I am not sure of the pedigree at this point, in terms of Ermengarde's detailed ancestry. In general I believe that Ermengarde is of the Count of Carcassone's family, as supported by Nathaniel Taylor's posting to SGM; but perhaps her mother was not Rangearde, daughter of Bernard-Aton III.

Ermengarde married Raymond-Bernard II TRENCAVEL Vicomte De Nimes,2408 son of Bernard-Aton III TRENCAVEL Vicomte De Nimes and Rangearde De LA MARCHE, in 1066. Raymond-Bernard was born in 1036 in Nimes, Gard, Languedoc, France and died in 1074 in Albi, Tarn, Languedoc, France 2408 at age 38.

128710235578. Bertrand II Count Of ARLES,415 son of Geoffrey I Count Of ARLES and Stephanie (Ettienette) (Dulce) Of MARSEILLE, was born about 1050 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France and died in 1093 about age 43. Another name for Bertrand was Bertrand II Count Of PROVENCE.

Bertrand married Mathilde (Mahaut). Mathilde was born about 1050 in France.

The child from this marriage was:

64355117789        i.  Cecilia De PROVENCE (born about 1070 in Forcalquier, Alpes-DE-Haute-Provence, Provence, France - died in 1150)


128710235579. Mathilde (Mahaut) 415 was born about 1050 in France.

Mathilde married Bertrand II Count Of ARLES, son of Geoffrey I Count Of ARLES and Stephanie (Ettienette) (Dulce) Of MARSEILLE. Bertrand was born about 1050 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, Provence, France and died in 1093 about age 43. Another name for Bertrand was Bertrand II Count Of PROVENCE.

128710235592. Guigues I "The Old" Comte D' ALBON Sgr D'vion,415,2176,2847 son of Guiges V Sire De VION and Gotelana De CLERIEU, was born about 1001 in St Rambert D'albon, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France 2176 and died on 22 April 1075 in Cluny, France (As A Monk) 2847 about age 74. Another name for Guigues was Guiges VI Sire De VION.

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, Between 1060 and 1070. 2176

Guigues married Adelaide De BEAUJEU,2176 daughter of Guichard I Seigneure De BEAUJEU and Adelaide, on 18 October 1013.2848 Adelaide was born about 1001 in Beaujeu, Rhone, Beaujolais/Rhone-Alpes, France.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Adelaide (Alix) D' ALBON was born about 1018 in St Rambert D'albon, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France.

64355117796       ii.  Guigues II "The Fat" Comte D' ALBON (born about 1025 in St Rambert D'albon, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France - died between 1076 and 1079 in Vion, Ardeche, Rhone-Alpes, France)


128710235593. Adelaide De BEAUJEU,415,2176 daughter of Guichard I Seigneure De BEAUJEU and Adelaide, was born about 1001 in Beaujeu, Rhone, Beaujolais/Rhone-Alpes, France.

Adelaide married Guigues I "The Old" Comte D' ALBON Sgr D'vion,2176,2847 son of Guiges V Sire De VION and Gotelana De CLERIEU, on 18 October 1013.2848 Guigues was born about 1001 in St Rambert D'albon, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France 2176 and died on 22 April 1075 in Cluny, France (As A Monk) 2847 about age 74. Another name for Guigues was Guiges VI Sire De VION.

128710235594. Artaud Seigneur De ANNONAY 415 was born about 995 in Annonay, Haute-Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France.

Artaud married Petronell Of GRENOBLE. Petronell was born about 1000 in Grenoble, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France and died before 1070.

The child from this marriage was:

64355117797        i.  Petronell De ANNONAY (born about 1025 in Annonay, Haute-Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France - died before 1070)


128710235595. Petronell Of GRENOBLE 415 was born about 1000 in Grenoble, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France and died before 1070.

Petronell married Artaud Seigneur De ANNONAY. Artaud was born about 995 in Annonay, Haute-Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France.

128710235596. Tancred "Guiscard" Seigneur De HAUTEVILLE Sir,415,2849 son of Rabel Tancred Seigneur De HAUTEVILLE and Unknown, was born about 980 in Hauteville, Manche, Normandy, France and died about 1050 2626 about age 70.

General Notes: The following post to SGM, 25 Apr 2001, by Peter Stewart gives info on Tancred's wives (note that I have Muriella as daughter of Richard I & Fressendis as daughter of Richard II):

From: Stewart, Peter (Peter.Stewart@crsrehab.gov.au)
Subject: RE: Tancred de Hauteville's wife
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2001-04-25 21:52:32 PST

It is thought possible - not quite the same as believed to be "correct" - that Tancred's wives Muriella and Fressendis were illegitimate daughters of Richard II (the Good) of Normandy. They were probably related in some way, and for all I know it may be that at least Muriella was old enough to have been a daughter of Richard I (the Fearless) - but Fressendis seems to have belonged more certainly to a younger generation. (She is credited with at least nine children born up to ca 1045/50, making it unlikely that her father died in 996.)

A good source for this part of the Hauteville family is Huguette Taviani-Carozzi's *La terreur du monde: Robert Guiscard at la conquête normande en Italie, mythe et histoire* (Paris, 1996).

Peter Stewart

Noted events in his life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, 1041.

Tancred married Fressendis (Fredesende) Of NORMANDY 2626,2850,2851 before 1015 in 2ND Wife.2626 Fressendis was born about 995 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died in 1057 about age 62.

Children from this marriage were:

128710221334       i.  Robert I Guiscard De HAUTEVILLE Duke Apulia (born about 1015 in Hauteville, Manche, Normandy, France - died on 17 July 1085 at Seige Of Cephalonia, Greece)

                  ii.  Guglielmo Di ALTAVILLA Conte Di San Nicandro was born about 1025 in Hauteville, Manche, Normandy, France and died in 1080 in San Nicandro, Rome, Italy about age 55. Another name for Guglielmo was Guillaume De HAUTEVILLE Comte De San Nicandro.

64355117798      iii.  Roger I De Hauteville Count Of SICILY (born about 1035 in Hauteville, Manche, Normandy, France - died on 22 June 1101 in Mileto, Calabria, Italy)

Tancred next married Murielle De NORMANDY,2850,2851,2852 daughter of Godfrey Fitzrichard Of BRIONNE Comte D'eu and Heloise De GUINES, in 1st Wife.2852 Murielle was born about 986 in Eu, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died about 1014 about age 28. Another name for Murielle was Murielle D' EU.

The child from this marriage was:

                   i.  Godefroy De HAUTEVILLE Conte Di Loritello was born about 1011 in Hauteville, Manche, Normandy, France and died between 1063 and 1071 in Loretello, Arcevia, Italy 2850 about age 52.


128710235597. Fressendis (Fredesende) Of NORMANDY,415,2626,2850,2851 daughter of Richard II "The Good" Duke Of NORMANDY and Poppa D' ENVERMEU, was born about 995 in Rouen, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France and died in 1057 about age 62.

Fressendis married Tancred "Guiscard" Seigneur De HAUTEVILLE Sir 2849 before 1015 in 2ND Wife.2626 Tancred was born about 980 in Hauteville, Manche, Normandy, France and died about 1050 2626 about age 70.

128710235598. Robert Count D' EU,415,2853 son of William L Comte Heimois & D' EU and Lesceline (Lezieline) De HARCOURT, was born about 1019 in Eu, Seine Inferieure, Normandy, France and died after 1052 in Shanton, Leicestershire, England 2853.

Robert married Beatrice FULBERT. Beatrice was born in 1022 in Leicestershire, England.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  William Count D' EU Lord Of Hastings was born about 1045 in Eu, Seine Inferieure, Normandy, France and died in 1096 in Hastings, Sussex, England about age 51.

                  ii.  Robert De CRIOL Of Criel & Ashburnham was born about 1047 in Criel-Sur-Mer, Seine-Inferiure, Normandy, France and died after 1086 in Ashburnham, Battle, Sussex, England. Another name for Robert was Robert De CRUEL.

64355117799      iii.  Erembourge (Eremberga) De MORTAIN (born about 1050 in Eu, Seine Inferieure, Normandy, France - died about 1087)


128710235599. Beatrice FULBERT 415 was born in 1022 in Leicestershire, England.

Beatrice married Robert Count D' EU,2853 son of William L Comte Heimois & D' EU and Lesceline (Lezieline) De HARCOURT. Robert was born about 1019 in Eu, Seine Inferieure, Normandy, France and died after 1052 in Shanton, Leicestershire, England 2853.

128710235600. William I "The Great" Count Of Macon & BURGUNDY,415,670,1670,1984 son of Rainald I, Count Palatine Of BURGUNDY and Princess & Countess Of Bu Adelais (Judith) De NORMANDY, was born about 1024 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France and died on 12 November 1087 1985,1986 about age 63.

William married Stephanie (Etiennette) De LONGWY,1987,1988,1989 daughter of Adalbert III Count LONGWY Duke Upper Lorraine and Clemence De FOIX, before 1060. Stephanie was born about 1035 in Longwy, Meurthe-Et-Moselle, Lorraine, France 1988 and died on 30 June 1109 about age 74.

128710235601. Stephanie (Etiennette) De LONGWY,415,670,1987,1988,1989 daughter of Adalbert III Count LONGWY Duke Upper Lorraine and Clemence De FOIX, was born about 1035 in Longwy, Meurthe-Et-Moselle, Lorraine, France 1988 and died on 30 June 1109 about age 74.

General Notes: Despite many sources that indicate this pedigree including Stephanie/Etienette's mother and father, her mother did not exist, and her father may not have married or had children. Clemence de Foix was "calculated to have existed" based on certain evidence which proved false. Some people think that Stephanie/Etienette was Ettienette, daughter of one of the Ramon Berenger, Counts of Barcelona. I am leaving the pedigree in place for these three people until more information is available.

Leo van de Pas, citing ES, still has Stephanie de Longwy, daughter of Adalbert (by unknown wife), as wife of William.

Noted events in her life were:

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, After 1088. 1988

• Alt. Death: Alt. Death, After 1092. 1989

Stephanie married William I "The Great" Count Of Macon & BURGUNDY,1670,1984 son of Rainald I, Count Palatine Of BURGUNDY and Princess & Countess Of Bu Adelais (Judith) De NORMANDY, before 1060. William was born about 1024 in Macon, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France and died on 12 November 1087 1985,1986 about age 63.

128710235602. Gerhard IV Duke Of Alsace Upper LORRAINE,415,2497,2638,2812 son of Gerhard II Count Of METZ and Gisella Of ALSACE, was born about 1010 in Alsace & Lorraine, France and died on 4 April 1070 in Remiremont, Vosges, France 2497 about age 60.

Gerhard married Hadwide De NAMUR,2497,2812,2854 daughter of Albert I Comte De NAMUR and Ermengarde Of Lower LORRAINE. Hadwide was born before 1012 in Namur, Belgium and died about 1080 2497.

Children from this marriage were:

                   i.  Gisela Of LORRAINE was born about 1050 in Lorraine, France and died in 1124 about age 74.

                  ii.  Thierry II Duke Of Alsace LORRAINE was born about 1055 in Alsace & Lorraine, France 2351 and died from 23 January 1114 to 1115 2351,2497 about age 59. Another name for Thierry was Dietrich II Duke Of Upper LORRAINE.

                 iii.  Gerard I Comte De VAUDEMONT was born in 1057 in Lorraine, France and died about 1120 in Vaudemont, Meurthe-Et-Moselle, Lorraine, France 2808 about age 63. Another name for Gerard was Gerard I De LORRAINE Comte De Vaudemont.

64355117801       iv.  Beatrice De LORRAINE (born about 1058 in Lorraine, France - died after 1112)


128710235603. Hadwide De NAMUR,415,2497,2812,2854 daughter of Albert I Comte De NAMUR and Ermengarde Of Lower LORRAINE, was born before 1012 in Namur, Belgium and died about 1080 2497.

Hadwide married Gerhard IV Duke Of Alsace Upper LORRAINE,2497,2638,2812 son of Gerhard II Count Of METZ and Gisella Of ALSACE. Gerhard was born about 1010 in Alsace & Lorraine, France and died on 4 April 1070 in Remiremont, Vosges, France 2497 about age 60.

128710235608. Gautier II Seigneur De SALINS,415 son of Gautier I Seigneur De SALINS and Arembourge, was born about 1035 in Salins, Seine-Et-Marne, Ile-DE-France, France and died after 1100.

Gautier married Beatrix. Beatrix was born about 1040 in France.

The child from this marriage was:

64355117804        i.  Humbert III Seigneur De SALINS (born about 1065 in Salins, Seine-Et-Marne, Ile-DE-France, France)


128710235609. Beatrix 415 was born about 1040 in France.

Beatrix married Gautier II Seigneur De SALINS, son of Gautier I Seigneur De SALINS and Arembourge. Gautier was born about 1035 in Salins, Seine-Et-Marne, Ile-DE-France, France and died after 1100.

128710235616. Gerald I Count Of GENEVA,415,1849,2642 son of Almon (Ayman) I Count Of Vienne & GENEVA and Bertha Of BURGUNDY, was born in 1012 in Genf, Geneva, Helvetiz, Switzerland 2605 and died in 1061 1849,2642 at age 49.

General Notes: Turton has two different Geralds, one married to Gisele, and the second married (as her 1st husband) to Tutberge of Rheinfelden, daughter of Rudolph (who I have as an ancestor). Turton has Tetberge married 2ndly to Louis of Faucigny. AR has one Gerald m. to Gisele and 2ndly to Thietburga, widow of Louis of Faucigny (note the order of Tetberge/Thietburga's marriages is reversed). AR is considered, in general, to be "newer & more reliable" than Turton, but I am following Turton on this one.

AR has some possible "hickups" with its pedigree at this point: AR describes the first wife as "dead in 1060" and the birth year of Aimon, the son born by the 2nd wife, as "about 1050". I think it is strange (and probably significant) that AR can't find a way to describe the 1st wife's death to be "in sync" with the 2nd wife's child birth. Also AR's death date of "1061-1080" for Gerald is a pretty wide range. One could envision a Gerald I, d. 1061, and a Gerald II, d. 1080, which is what Turton has. In fact I think that Turton is right - at least in there being two Geralds. I will follow AR in other items, including the order of Tetberge/Thietburga's marriages..

Gerald married Gisele 1849,2642 in 1st Wife 1849.,2642 Gisele was born about 1015 in Switzerland and died before 1060 2642.

128710235617. Gisele 415,1849,2642 was born about 1015 in Switzerland and died before 1060 2642.

Gisele married Gerald I Count Of GENEVA,1849,2642 son of Almon (Ayman) I Count Of Vienne & GENEVA and Bertha Of BURGUNDY, in 1st Wife 1849.,2642 Gerald was born in 1012 in Genf, Geneva, Helvetiz, Switzerland 2605 and died in 1061 1849,2642 at age 49.

128710235618. Amadeus I De Maurienne, Count Of SAVOY,415,1444,2176 son of Humbert I Count Of SAVOY and Ancelie Von LENZBURG, was born in 1000 in Chambery, Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France and died in Maurienne, Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France 1436. Another name for Amadeus was Amadeus I Count Of MAURIENNE.

Noted events in his life were:

• Acceded: 1048. 1436

Amadeus married Adelaide (Alix) D' ALBON,2176 daughter of Guigues I "The Old" Comte D' ALBON Sgr D'vion and Adelaide De BEAUJEU. Adelaide was born about 1018 in St Rambert D'albon, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France.

The child from this marriage was:

64355117809        i.  Thietburga (Tetburge) Of SAVOY (born about 1035 in Chambery, Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France)


128710235619. Adelaide (Alix) D' ALBON,415,2176 daughter of Guigues I "The Old" Comte D' ALBON Sgr D'vion and Adelaide De BEAUJEU, was born about 1018 in St Rambert D'albon, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, France.

Adelaide married Amadeus I De Maurienne, Count Of SAVOY,2176 son of Humbert I Count Of SAVOY and Ancelie Von LENZBURG. Amadeus was born in 1000 in Chambery, Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France and died in Maurienne, Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France 1436. Another name for Amadeus was Amadeus I Count Of MAURIENNE.

128710235624. Renaud Seigneur De CUISEAUX 415,1849 was born about 1030 in Cuiseaux, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France.

Renaud married.

The child from this marriage was:

64355117812        i.  Pons I Seigneur De CUISEAUX (born about 1066 in Cuiseaux, Saone-Et-Loire, Bourgogne, France)


128710235632. Louis I Count Of FAUCIGNY,415,2642,2643 son of Aimeraud Count Of FAUCIGNY and Ailgert Or Aalgut, was born about 1030 in Faucigny, Haute-Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France 1850 and died in 1060 2643 about age 30.

Louis married Thietburga (Tetburge) Of SAVOY,1850,2642,2643,2644 daughter of Amadeus I De Maurienne, Count Of SAVOY and Adelaide (Alix) D' ALBON, in 1st Husband 2642.,2645 Thietburga was born about 1035 in Chambery, Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France.

128710235633. Thietburga (Tetburge) Of SAVOY,415,1850,2642,2643,2644 daughter of Amadeus I De Maurienne, Count Of SAVOY and Adelaide (Alix) D' ALBON, was born about 1035 in Chambery, Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France.

General Notes: Turton has the order of Thietburga/Tetburge's husbands in the reverse of AR.

AR does not identify Thietburga's ancestry.

Turton & Michel Dourneau have Thietburga named "T(h)etberge of Rheinfelden", daughter of Rudolf von Rheinfelden (he calls him "Rudolph of Germany"), but others, including Ed Mann in soc.genealogy.medieval, have her as "of Savoy". Switching the marriages produces a younger Tetberge, who may have had different parents than Turton identified. Rudolf von Rheinfelden is elsewhere in my files. @@check ancestry

Thietburga married Gerald II Count Of GENEVA,1849,1850,2642 son of Gerald I Count Of GENEVA and Gisele, after 1060 in 2ND Husband 1849.,2642 Gerald was born about 1035 in Genf, Geneva, Helvetiz, Switzerland and died in 1080 1849,2642 about age 45.

Thietburga next married Louis I Count Of FAUCIGNY,2642,2643 son of Aimeraud Count Of FAUCIGNY and Ailgert Or Aalgut, in 1st Husband 2642.,2645 Louis was born about 1030 in Faucigny, Haute-Savoie, Rhone-Alpes, France 1850 and died in 1060 2643 about age 30.

128710238208. Roger De VERDUN 415 was born about 970 in Verdun, Vessey Parish, Manche, Normandy, France.

Roger married.

The child from this marriage was:

64355119104        i.  Robert D' ESTOUTEVILLE Gov - Ambrieres Castle (born about 1010 in Castle Of Ambrieres, Mayenne, Maine/Pays-DE-La-Loire, France - died about 1066)


128710238210. Hugh De TALBOT Sire De Cleuville 415,2418 was born about 1000 in Cleuville, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France. Another name for Hugh was Hue De TALLEBOT.

Hugh married Marie De MEULAN, daughter of Waleran III Count Of MEULAN and Ode (Oda) De CONTEVILLE, about 1020. Marie was born about 1007 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France.

The child from this marriage was:

64355119105        i.  Jeanne De TALBOT (born about 1023 in Cleuville, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France)


128710238211. Marie De MEULAN,415 daughter of Waleran III Count Of MEULAN and Ode (Oda) De CONTEVILLE, was born about 1007 in Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-DE-France, France.

Marie married Hugh De TALBOT Sire De Cleuville 2418 about 1020. Hugh was born about 1000 in Cleuville, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France. Another name for Hugh was Hue De TALLEBOT. picture


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