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June 2017 – Just a brief update. No big breakthroughs. Still looking for McGing males to consider the Y-DNA test and anyone from a McGing related family of any form to take one of the many autosomal DNA tests (Ancestry DNA, Family Tree DNA, My Heritage, even 23andMe are the big ones available) to see if we are related.  Given poor records and families that don’t remember where they came from, DNA is often the only way to show relatedness. It is interesting that this does lead to interesting outcomes.  There is a McGing family that I am related to not but through McGings (that I can tell so far). Seems a person that is an ancestor on my mother’s (Collins) side had a Duffy relation that married into this (unrelated) McGing family and that is how I am connected to them.  I still think we share some common Gr times 7 grandfather but until then….

 

January 2017 – No major breakthroughs but slowly finding cousins who actually have family trees that may mean we can actually figure things out. Not a knock on those just starting out, but it’s frustrating to find likely 3rd cousins who have zero idea about their family and expect me to know. I wish I did, but I’m looking just as hard as everyone else.  There is no substitute for doing “traditional” genealogy, DNA just is a tool.  Keep in mind, when it says we are 4th or greater cousins the amazing number of people that we have to consider as our common ancestor.

 

You have 64 great-great-great-great-grandparents.

Generation

# You Have

Who

Approximate Percentage of Their DNA That You Have Today

1

You

100%

1

2

Parents

50%

2

4

Grandparents

25%

3

8

Great-grandparents

12.5%

4

16

Great-great-grandparents

6.25%

5

32

Great-great-great-grandparents

3.12%

6

64

Great-great-great-great-grandparents

1.56%

 

Each of those GGGG-grandparents contributed 1.56% of your DNA, roughly.

 

YEAR

 

NUMBER 

PERCENTAGE 

 

OF YOUR 

OF DNA AND SAME 

 

ANCESTORS

SURNAME

Birth Year

1950

 

 

1 generation back: 

Parents

1925

2

50.00%

2 generations back: 

Grandparents

1900

4

25.00%

3 generations back: 

Great-grandparents

1875

8

12.50%

4 generations back

Great-great grandparents

1850

16

6.25%

5 generations back:

Great-great-great grandparents

1825

32

3.13%

6 generations back

Great-great-great-great grandparents

1800

64

1.56%

 

So given the records of Co Mayo are sketchy prior to 1850, I have a whole lot of cousins at 4th and 5th and greater who will likely never be documented because the records are simply not there, unless the family has already done their family trees and written down their family stories.

 

That’s the reality of it.  I want to try and find a link with anyone who has the interest, but have to stay real that it’s not likely for a lot of us.

 

 

December 2016 – As we head to the end of this year, it’s been overall pretty good. My wife has made tremendous strides, including nibbling at a Lithuanian brick wall that has been decades unmovable. I’m still scanning materials for posterity.  Y-DNA testing needs a few more McGing males but so far finding we are likely to all be related. I put my gedcom data on this site (see below) because Rootsweb seems to be diminishing.  Should they fail completely, this site would go dark as I’m hosted on Rootsweb and if that happens I’ll find a replacement hosting site.  I own the domain name.

 

November 2016  I’ve been doing much more scanning and have more that I’ve found filed away that needs scanning to keep it preserved.  DNA continues to be the prime way of linking family connections that records fail to do. Still hoping to find a link to someone who knows more than me about the family J

 

September 2016  I’ve finished up the scanning and have a huge repository of scanned documents and records that I’m open to sharing with other McGing or related family researchers.  Let me know if you’ve an interest, as I doubt I’ll put these online for a lot of reasons.   No good news on breaking down any walls, although my wife can now reach back to the 1500s and is eligible for the D.A.R.  Not bad, too bad my Irish records earlier than 1800 are pretty much non-existent L

 

June 2016  I’ve been scanning old letters and have slowly been ensuring that these details are not lost and are included in the records.  To that end, http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mcging/details.html is now really long and maybe boring but full of my Aunt May’s recollections and worth reading if you are a Donoghue or Lally or Whalen or McGing.

 

 

May 2016  It’s a safe bet that Scottish Gings, at least with a Stirling Scotland connection, are actually McGings with roots in Co Mayo who moved to work and who may have stayed.  Finally found Scottish records that show McGing early and later show Ging and that show Co Mayo birth or marriage with later residence in Scotland. Proof the name shifted with change to Scotland. Plus, found a bunch of Austin’s in this group and the even rarer Philip, which are not common McGing names but are prevalent in my own and one or two others.  Now the great news is that a branch of the family that moved to the US and became McGinn and a branch of the family that moved to England and I have taken Y-DNA tests and the results are in – all 3 of us share a common gr McGing grandfather.  This is cool because on paper, I cannot link these 3 groups of families together, but the DNA says we are.  My guess is mid-1700s or so for when we have the common ancestor. So my theory that all McGings are cousins may not be 100% true but it’s likely more true than not.  And now we can test McGinns and Gings to see if they link up as well.  Might be a way for families to learn about where they came from.  Great data, quite exciting. 

 

March 2016 As a family centered in County Mayo going back to at least 1800, my brick walls are going to be high and thick as the written record is simply not there for so many ancestors.  I bring this up because we get a lot of emails from potential cousins via DNA and whose family history contains familiar names (but not clear ancestor lines) and so far I’ve simply had to say that unless they have better documentation (including family lore) there really isn’t a lot I can do. 

 

Now if you look at what Paul MacCotter has said (look up Surnames from the table below) it doesn’t seem that we came from the North, as was the supposition. But it’s still an open issue to better confirm or deny.

 

Still looking for McGings or McGing relations of either sex to consider autosomal DNA testing (Ancestry.com or FTDNA tests) because at least one has linked to my dad. And for males surnamed McGinn or McGing from Mayo stock to consider spending the money for a Y-DNA-37 or better test at FTDNA.com.   

 

January 2016  Oh boy, it's been literally a year since I found time to update this despite retiring. The site still active. In the intervening times we've had more data put online by commercial organizations , better tech such as DNA testing, smart web sites like MyHistory.com and social networking. I've been improving the records in my files with electronic copies of many Irish births and I have an off-line repository of a LOT of documents related to McGings and my mom's family. One of my long held beliefs was that all individuals using the McGing surname are related, but that is hard to prove given the Irish records of the times. I've a theory that there was indeed a family using that surname around 1780 or so that is the family that the modern McGings descend from. It's also my theory that the Mayo McGings were originally McGinn's from Antrim who left there due to sectarian strife. In modern times, McGing is essentially a Mayo exclusive surname which supports that theory.

In December 2015, a McGing male older than me but not as old as my dad took a Y-DNA 67 test. I've also taken that test.

We are from families that claimed no common relation to each other from both family lore and via standard genealogy records examination. The DNA results says that we are indeed related. Based on this information and the best records we can find, it is likely that this common ancestor existed around 1780-1820. Which is on target with the data, which is strengthened by the uniqueness of the surname and the fact it is localized in Mayo.

So while I need more older male McGings to take a DNA autosomal and a Y-DNA test, in order to address the relationship via paternity, these small early results give a strong support for demonstrating more conclusively that we are indeed cousins. Plus I'd love McGings of both sexes to take autosomal DNA tests, which will help build up the data on the genealogy.

January 2015

 

GEDMATCH Numbers

DNA Tests taken

mtDNA Haplogroup (Maternal) T1a1

 

Also on MyHeritage, which is doing DNA matching as well.

 

Brief overview of Y-DNA

 

All McGing males have a common male ancestor, and Y-DNA lets you see things about that ancestry.

 

My data is roughly as follows:

 

Branch P-305 – over 100,000 years ago, started in Africa

Branch M-42 – about 80,000 years ago, started in east Africa

Branch M168 – about 70,000 years ago, started in east Africa

Branch P143 – about 60,000 years ago, started in southwest Africa (Modern day Arabian Peninsula)

Branch M89 – about 55,000 years ago, started in Southwest Asia (Modern day Iran)

Branch M578 – about 50,000 years ago, started I Southwest Asia (Area near Black Sea)

Branch P128 – about 45,000 years ago, started in South Asia (Somewhere in the “Stans or western China)

Branch M-526 – about 42,000 years ago, started in South Asia.

Branch M45 – about 35,000 years ago, started in Central Asia (Modern day western China, above India)

Branch M207 – about 30,000 years ago, started in Central Asia

Branch P231 – about 25,000 – 30,000 years ago, in Central Asia (Modern day Kazakhstan)

Branch M343 – about 17,000 – 22,000 years ago, started in South or West Asia (Modern day Russia, Belarus)

Branch M-269 – about 6,500 – 15,000 years ago, started in West Asia (Modern day Russia or Belarus)

Branch P310 – uncertain age, started in West Asia (Modern day Russia or Belarus)

Branch P312 – about 5,500 – 15,000 years ago, started in West Asia (Modern day Russia or Belarus)

Branch L21 – about 5,500 – 12,000 years ago, started in West Asia (Modern day Russia or Belarus)

Branch DF13

Branch FCS5494

Branch FGC5561

Branch FGC7448

Branch FGC5496

Branch S1088 (CTS-2457)

Branch A2121

Branch PH821  (Check out www.ytree.net)

 

Today, members of this lineage are widely distributed across Europe and West Asia. They reach their highest frequency in Ireland where they and descendant branches contribute to between 35 and 38 percent of the male population. This line is 6 to 7 percent of male lineages in France. It is between 1 and 2 percent of male lineages in Germany. It is 2 to 4 percent of male lineages in Portugal and Spain. It is about 2 percent of the male population in Croatia

 

Y-DNA Haplogroup (Paternal) Latest testing results from FTDNA show R-S1088 and from National Geographic show R-CTS2457.

 R-S1088 is a branch of L21 and R-CTS2457 is downstream of R-S1088.

 

And if it doesn’t make sense, don’t worry, but if you are a male and don’t have Y DNA in this group, it’s unlikely we are McGing paternal cousins because we’d not share a common McGing male ancestor. J

 Conversely, if you do share this Y-DNA and have a McGing surname, then we are almost certain to be related.

 

And for kicks, an estimated 2.8% of my DNA is from Neanderthals. (23andme)

 

I use Legacy Family Tree as my genealogy software and try to keep a recent copy of the family data at Rootsweb.

 

I also have data at MyHeritage.com, and at Geni and at Wikitree which is cool because it looks across other people's data for likely matches but my tree data is rarely updated there, as I instead put it into Legacy Family Tree and then on Rootsweb, but it's a good place to do your genealogy. And they are getting smarter, doing a lot of the grunt work for you.

I have found that my research tapers out at 2rd great grandparents, beyond that is lore, assumption and conjecture. That means cousins 4th or higher have to have better data than I do some research done themselves. I share with anyone but if DNA testing says we are 4th or 5th cousins, unless you have some research of your own, it's very unlikely that I have anything either. Just saying up front.

 

 

 

Past Changes

Why this Page?

Thanks for stopping by! I figure 99% of the people stopping by will be bored silly, because this really is a trivial page but.....

I'm on Facebook and LinkedIn so no longer have a general web page. This particular page is neat because I bought the McGing.org domain name and that's cool, at least to me.  So this page is being set up to be a McGing magnet and maybe a few other things.  I do have an obligatory picture of me here (it's pretty recent but could take a bit to view on a slow connection).

You'd think that anyone with a name as rare as McGing would find that most of the McGing’s he runs into are related in some way.  But you'd be wrong.  It seems that all the ones who track me down are not related.   Go figure!

And that is the reason for doing DNA testing. I'd love for any not related to me McGing’s to take a DNA test and see what comes up. I'm betting that DNA will show us all to be related. Help prove me right!

So this is a McGing magnet page.  If you are a McGing, or used to be one or have a relation who was or is one, drop me a line or sign my guestbook below and we'll see if we can find out just where we all come from. If I get any responses, I can publish whatever people contribute and share various tidbits.

Who am I?

My name is John McGing and my immediate ancestry is as follows:

Mother was Sarah Collins, born in Shanvallycahill, in the Cappaghaduff district, Ballinrobe, Co Mayo. Her father was John Collins of Shanvallycahill, her mother was Bridgit Conoboy. She came from a large family, some of whom are still in Tourmakeady, while the rest went to England or to the US, mainly in Chicago, Il.

Father is John McGing, born in Churchfield, in the Cappaghaduff district, Ballinrobe, Co Mayo.  His father was Thomas McGing of Churchfield, his mother was Bridget Donoghue. He also came from a large family, all of whom live in the States, again mainly in Chicago, except for one sister who lives in Dublin and one in Tourmakeady.

(Here's a small map of Mayo) We're from around Tourmakeady, which you can see is on the shores of Loch Mask in South Mayo. Here is a much larger, older map of Mayo, circa 1890's  Surprisingly, the home place, in Churchfield, was in Galway, until it was given to Mayo in a border change in 1898 - 1899.

My father’s people were originally from a townland called Arderry, as Great Great Grandfather Patrick is found in the 1818 rent rolls of Lord Sligo as a renter there, along with a Bryan who I believe is likely a brother.

Who Are These People?

When I was in Ireland, I found a whole nest of McGing’s in Westport, but it seems the connection with them was distant, if at all. It was kind of disconcerting to get a calendar from John McGing's place, which was a service station, as I recall. (Which is odd, come to think of it.  The name is exceedingly rare, yet 2 groups of families with the same rare surname grow up near each other yet aren't related?  What's up with that?)

Same applies in the States.  My dad was confused with another John McGing who was in the Army at the same time he was, and they ended up living not far from each other on Chicago's NorthWest side.  The other family even had a number of kids with the same names as my siblings.  Yet we also never met. There's a boatload of McGing’s in and around Chicago, but the majority of them are not related to my side of the family. [I do have to say that I have now actually corresponded with some of those "other" McGing’s and it's neat to finally do so!]

And the Cleveland Ohio McGing’s all seem to be related to the Westport McGing’s, but not to me.  The Cincinnati Ohio McGing’s are related (1st cousins). Check out my cousin's website. The ones in Florida seem to be Cleveland McGing’s who have gone south. Then there is the odd one or two living in NY, Virginia, places like that that no one can seem to place. My mother told me we have McGing related cousins in Montana, they use McGinn. Color me confused.

And what's with this Scottish connection anyway?  There are McGing’s in Scotland, it seems we went there to work the fields, but why Stirling Scotland and why stay? What was so much better there that kept some McGing’s from returning to Ireland?

Gerry McGing from Trim sent some very interesting information that I have made available here. We may now have a lead on where in the North to look for more McGing roots! It looks like they emigrated from Armagh to Mayo. Or not, if what Paul MacCotter says is true. Obviously this needs more investigation. Does anyone have family stories about where their families came from?

I guess I see two areas where we could connect yet have difficulty. My Gr Gr Grandfather had to have siblings, yet I know nothing about him and his family. Could we be related through one of his brothers? Or could we be related through one of his sons? A couple of them had a LOT of boys, yet I've nothing on them. These seem to me to be the biggest area that would pay off in detecting this elusive family link.

One of the many bright spots in the family claim to fame is my 1st cousin is Mick Lally who was an Irish actor (played "Miley" on Glenroe on RTE, was a regular on "Ballykissangel," played in "Circle of Friends" as Minnie Drivers dad, and was in the great movie "The Secret of Roan Inish" as the grandfather)  His mom (RIP) is my dad's sister (May Lally, who was a great contributor to the Tourmakeady "Waterfall")  and before he died, he was a favorite at Maire Lukes. Check out this quick link to  Lally History and coat of arms. Another is the fact that my family has a history with Irish dance, in that my cousin Mary (already noted) and my cousin Jimmy (now a judge) taught/teach Irish dance. While Jimmy doesn't do it anymore, his ex-partner Mark Howard does.

My research has shown that the spelling of the name takes many forms; McGing, McGinn, McCinn, Ging,, Ginn and other odd spellings. And the Gaelic is McGinn but the English is McGing, so the mixed use does make sense.

One other interesting fact is that if you put "McGing" into a search engine, you get a lot of hits. It used to be a toss-up between me and Dr. Brian McGing at Trinity as to whose name is found most often, but his references are starting to really mount up but the links for my cousin Mary, who owns an Irish dance school, have really started to overshadow us all!

Surname/GEDCOM Data

The history of the surname is interesting. And if you are really interested in what I've found, I'm making available a redacted version of the genealogical data I've gathered. Write me if you'd like to discuss getting access to this information. Due to concerns about privacy, I ask you write so we can discuss what you're looking for.

Understand, the data is always being changed and there are always mistakes and misunderstandings. I've named people odd names because I know a first name only, or a last name only or I only know they had 11 kids, 6 boys and 5 girls, things like that. This data has been secured from searching the internet, especially genealogical sites, contacts with other McGings, the sharing of data by others who have done their own research (and to whom we are all indebted) and searches of things like the LDS files. Where possible it is sourced, but see my note at the bottom of this page. I believe that we are indeed likely all to be cousins.

In addition, I've found a LOT of information in places that you'd not expect, and in order to preserve it, I've put it into an Adobe Aacrobat file that you can find here. I've also listed some things I just didn't know where to put, so they are listed there. It's worth checking.

And the Rootsweb Worldconnect site has an abridged edition of McGing data for 1901 and earlier. This is a portion of the genealogical data we have for the period prior to 1901. The number of connected surnames is pretty amazing. If you use this WorldConnect information, be sure to check out the many reports that the system can set up. This link shows a report on my McGing line, and you can do this for any line you are interested in following. [December 2016 Update – Worldconnect is slowly dying, and so the above may not work.  So try the link below as a substitute.}

Here is a link to my family tree material for your own research My GEDCOM and Version 2.

Besides my family, my other abiding interest is the rare genetic syndrome my son has. The section below explains a bit and links you to my pages about the syndrome. Perhaps one reason I've developed this abiding interest in where I have come from is knowing that my son will not have any children. My daughter will live her life and I don't mean to sound like I'm ignoring her; on the contrary, she's very precious to me. But I realize that my "line" is ending, at least as it goes forward carrying the McGing surname. But he's a great lad, and so I'd be neglectful if I didn't drop this in here.

Registry IconThe Chromosome 18 Registry and Research Society

This is a link to the Chromosome 18 Registry and Research Society. My son Sean has a genetic condition called tetrasomy 18p which is very rare. The Registry is a great support group and is an organization always looking for assistance. For anyone in the US who can contribute to the Combined Federal Campaign, look for them as a recipient group (#10291) or check them out and contact them directly.

In addition, if you are in the US and participate in the United Way, be aware that although the Registry isn't a direct participant in the UW, you can use the "Donor Direct" option to specify the Registry for your gift.

For anyone outside the US, please contact the Registry in San Antonio (using the links above).

Seriously, this isn't like Jerry's Kids or March of Dimes stuff, where there is a lot of publicity and people throw money at them. Nope, these conditions are rare and virtually unknown and there's been little research done on them. Please keep them in mind when considering any charitable contributions.

Links

Here are some interesting basic Irish links I've linked to.

These links below are McGing specific places found on the internet. You should find a reference somewhere on each page to a McGing, whether it be an article, an email address or whatever. Can't guarantee these will stay active, but they worked when I tested them. I did not include links to pages referencing me or my cousin Mary's dance school since any search on "McGing" will turn a ton of links on us. Also, since the time I transcribed many of these by hand they have become available online from their source organizations.  Just saying.

Historical and Genealogical Links

United States

Ireland

England

Scotland

Neal McGing - Revolutionary War

The Morrin/McGing Connection

English Vital Records (Birth)

Scottish McGings

McGing in 1850 US Census (Lines 30-32)

McGing, Gavin, Lally, Sheridan, Donoghue

English Vital Records (Death)

Scotish Census

McGing/McGinn 1860 in New York using US Census

Griffiths Valuation of Mayo McGings and McGinns

English Vital Records (Marriage)

Scottish Vital Records

US Census Reports/Extracts

Pat Deese's Mayo Data

UK Census Extracts

 

Chicago Voter Rolls

McGings in Killawalla

Commonwealth War Graves

 

Ellis Island McGing Records Index

Westport Business Directory

 

Australia

Ellis Island McGinn Records Index

LDS Microfilm Transcriptions Film 0979697

 

McGings in Australia

Ellis Island McGing Details

May 1818 Marquis of Sligo Rent Rolls

Miscellaneous

 

McGing Social Security Death Index Reports

Aughagower Graves Data

History of the Surname

 

 

Irish Birth Registry Data

Surname Basics

 

 

Irish Vital Records Data

Odds and Ends

 

 

Additional Irish Records (Birth and Marriage)

Some McGing Photo's

 

 

1883 Census of Glenmask

Great Uncle Philip Found

 

 

McGing - O'Malley in Glenmask

McGings in Queen of Heaven Cemetery

 

 

McGing Records from Galway

Mayo Graveyard Photos

 

 

Tonlegee Land Records

Irish Naming Patterns

 

 

Bessborough Commission

Cousins - How Far Removed

 

 

Mayo Galway Border Shift of 1898

 McGings – Likely are Cousins

 

 

1901 Irish Census Transcripts

 

 

 

1911 Irish Census Records

 

 

 

Interesting Articles

 

 

 

 Place Names Related to Family History

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sincere Thanks

I'd be remiss if I did not give full credit and approbation to the many people whose work has been so important in doing this research. I've been lucky to be able to build on the shoulders of many fine people whose hard work they willingly shared. There is Sr. Helen, Carl "MacMan", Mary Chervenak, Elaine O'Malley, Michael McGing, Pam Burg, Tom Kenny, Jackie Filippone, Nicola Batmaz, Mary Duffy, Jean Baun, Patrick Connolly, Jim McGinn and others. If you find anything of value in these pages, their contributions were indeed a major part of it.

Notice

I'd be remiss if I didn't point out what may or may not be obvious. And that is this: I am not a professional genealogist, and a lot of the material I have here has not been sourced to original documents. I have tried whenever possible to give a source, including family history, whenever I could, but as I've been told, your work isn't done until you have checked the original sources. That doesn't mean that everything here is worthless; that's certainly not true! Everything here is as accurate as I can make it, but things I typed in myself from sources may indeed have typos. Sources I link to may have errors. But that doesn't make their value any less, it just means you really need to check things out where possible using original source documents As I get a look at original documents myself I'll update entries to reflect that fact.

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