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The Maybee Society


We are not Van Ordens

Over the past decade or so, research has proven that the Mabie, Van Orden and Van Norden families do not share common ancestors. Two articles have been published on this subject. The first of these, by Ethel Kolenut, appeared in The Archivist, published by the Genealogical Society of Bergen County, New Jersey, Vol. XXIV, No. 1, February 1997. This article, titled The Mabie Virus, traces the roots of both the Van Norden and Van Orden families, and demonstrates their independence from each other and from the Mabie family. From this article, it is clear that the progenitor of the Van Norden family in America is Pieter Wesselszen, who married Josyntje Jans on 19 May 1669 (NYDC 1:33). Meanwhile, the Van Orden family is found in the New York Lutheran Church records and the Hackensack and Schraalenburg church Records in Bergen County, New Jersey, starting with Jan Van Orden and his wife Lysbeth Andries Rees.

In December 1999, this article was brought to the attention of Steve Mabie by Frank Van Orden, member #229. In the meantime, several ancient letters, dating from the early 1700s, were found at the Mabee Farm in Rotterdam Junction after it was donated to the Schenectady County Historical Society in 1993. Jack Maybee, our Past President, had these letters translated from the original Dutch and sent copies to Steve. Steve then wrote an article titled Mabie Family Update based both on the letters and Ethel’s article, which was published in the New York Genealogical & Biographical Record (Vol. 133, No. 1, pages 44 – 46). This article addresses the inconsistencies in the two previous NYG&BR Mabie family articles, the last of which, The Mabie Family, by Sarah Adelaide Mabie, was published in 1921. This 1921 article, relying on the notes of Edward C. Marshall, had claimed that the eldest son of Pieter Casparszen (Jan, born 1654) used the surname Van Norden or Van Orden (the article confuses the two surnames). The new article lays out a proof that Jan Mabee of Schenectady was, in fact, this son of Pieter Casparszen born in 1654.

Steve Mabie, Maybee Society Vice-President