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Old Robert
Robert McFie
1746-1827

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Notes of the family by Wm Macfie

Robert McFie my father was born at the Waulk Mill, Innerkip Parish ( see map ) on the 11 Feb & baptized 15th 1746, he was educated at Innerkip, he wrought as a joiner with his brother William, at Bridgend for some time and came to Greenock about the year 1765, he wrought for some time with the late Robt Buine, ( father of Provost Buine) . About this time he complained, of a pain in the chest, I think in consequence of a severe fever, he then turned his attention, to a grocers shop & began in 1769, with a partner James Orr his cousin. Mr Orr seems to have been thoughtless, for in less than a year, my father assumed the business to himself, paid all the debts, removed from the Bell Entry 

to William Street, (New Street)


which was a house of one story, he has often told me , he began with 26 (GPS)  nearly all of which had been saved by himself, by his own labour, his father could give him little assistance.

My father must have been very industrious , as he married in 1772, Mary Andrew , furnished a house and in 1784, brought the ground on which his shop was, for which he paid 200 it is scarcely 4 falls, but the situation was very good as the business is carried on to this day (in the same place), in 1784 he built the house & shop , which now belongs to my brother John Macfie of Edin. This house cost about 600 (GPS), the (unreadable ) wood of which it was built, only cost 1/1p. foot, from about 1775 he did a large business, as in addition to his general business, he became a partner in a whale fishing concern, I recollect of one ship they had the ANN which sailed from Pt Glasgow, at this time , a considerable part of sugars imported, were the property of merchants in Greenock, he brought largely, from them and went to Glasgow, Paisley, Kilmarnock & Ayr when he sold them , and from about 1774, up to 1804, he had a great share of the trade, to Campbelltown, Rothesay, Terbert, Largs & surroundings etc

In 1788 my father with Jas Hunter, Wm Ritchie, Geo Robertson, John Wilson, Tho Ramsay, Wm McCunn ( McEwen) and Nicolas Witte, fixed on building a sugarhouse, for which purpose they bought the property of John Johnstone in Sugarhouse Lane , on which was a dwelling house, and mahogany rails, to the stair marble Jambs which they converted into a small sugarhouse. Wm McCunn (McEwen) junr was manager and N Witte the boiler. The capital advanced was 4000, each partner advanced 500 but they got a good deal of money on loan Wm Ritchie , my father bought the sugar for many years for the concern, when they began they could not boil more than 300 hhds pr an but they enlarged the house after it was burned in 1793 and again after the fire of 1795, when they added another pan ( formerly they had only 2 pans) and boiled ( unreadable) having a very large stock of refined sugars which they could not sell they agreed that each partner should take his proportion of the goods & do what he could with them. I think my fathers share of them was 4 tons of lumps 2 tons of loaves& & a parcel of treacle. When they gave up the advance of 500 was worth 1350. They had been paid 5 % pr/an on the 500, the Sugarhouse was sold to John McAlpine who had become a partner & my father bought the property opposite.



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Robert McFie
1746-1827
Married
Mar 9 1772
Port Glasgow ,Scotland
Mary Andrew
1749-1815

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Mary Macfie
1773-1773
Margaret Macfie
1774-1853
William Macfie
1776-1854
Robert Andrew Macfie
1778-1811
Mary Macfie
1780-1853
John Macfie
1781-1782
John Macfie
1783-1852
Janet Macfie
1785-1785
Ann Macfie
1786-1851
Alexander Macfie
1789-1850
Janet/Jessie Macfie
1790-1863
Thomas Macfie
1792-1793



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1783 Greenock residents listed in Glasgow St Guide
1815 Greenock St Guide
1820 Greenock St Guide
1841 Greenock St Guide

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Unfortunately many of the older postal street guides were not safe guarded and are not available for consultation, thus we are left with speculation as to what might have occurred  back in those days. We have William's notes stating that in 1769  Robert , his father was in business with his cousin  at the Bell Entry location. then from notes in the volumes of Old Greenock  we find Robert had a first purchased  at building at 15 and17 William St. , which of course was the  new street we see listed in the 1783 guide above.  By 1815 Robert had moved to Orangefield on Innerkip St.  The shop  however remained at 15 William St until some time around  until in 1841 we find it's address to be  3 William St, which is much closer to the docks of Greenock.

By 1815 there are other Mcfie families living in Greenock, Bryce, Alex and James the grocer, do not appear to be of Robert's immediate line, or so far we  have no proof they are ( ca 2016). William his son is now a merchant, Mrs James, his sister in  living in it is believed to be a house once own by here brother and provided to her after the loss of her husband in 1807. The two Roberts and the one William a tidesman are believed to be from Robert' brother , William's family  ( yet to be confirmed) ..

By 1841 we find even more Mcfie residing in Greenock.

Bryce is still involved with musical instruments, then there are two James neither of whom appear to belong to the line of Robert. John the engineer is William's ( Robert's brother) son, where as John the coal mercahant and John the cork cuter are not. Macfie Lindsay & Co, is now located at 3 William St, and the sugar refining plant is located on Bogle St. ( see  ) Robert the vintner as Bell entry in not part of the family, but Robert who is at  9 East Blackhall  is a grandson. William the plumber is a nephew and is living a 1 East Stewart St.  William A, who is Margaret's son is on his own as manager of a rice mill and is living at 1 Trafalgar, having left the employ of Macfie , Lindsay & Co.  The two Miss McFies who reside on Dalrymple and Dellingburn streets do not appear to belong to our family, where as Miss, and Mrs James of Orangefield  are , the Mrs being the daughter  of Robert who by this time  had passed away (1827) and had no doubt left this house to his daughter. Mrs Robert of  Boyd St and Mrs Mcfie of Spingkel St. still have to be investigated  a bit more  if at all possible


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Margaret Macfie
1774-1853
Married
1799
Greenock Scotland
James Macfie
1772-1807

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James Macfie
1801-1856
Robert Macfie
1803-1816
Barbara Macfie
1805-1840
William Andrew Macfie
1807-1899

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No research had been made as far as it is know to establish whether James Macfie was descended from the same line as Mary Macfie. Nothing was done at the time  the families were living to establish any liens and now some 200 years later it becomes an almost impossible task. Possibly the marriage records  at the times, if indeed they were  completed in detail, might contain the names of Jame's parents , but this would only allow us to step back one generation, it is not known if that would be sufficient to  help discover the origins of James Macfie's family. ( Note year 2016 - Some one had posted on Ancestry.com  that James was born at Galachan , on the Isle of Bute, in  1772 , parents being  James McFee and Janet McConachy  - however I have no proved that this is exact)

In the year 1807, Captain James Macfie sailed for Buenos Aires on the brig Garland and was never heard of again. For a time it was suspected, that he and his ship had been taken captive by the French, and been carried to a settlement in the West Indies, as he had had a similar experience in 1805. However it was soon  assumed that he had indeed been lost at sea.   ( note : year 2016, I am still attempting to verify this information i have found several vessels names Garland, but none with a Capt. James Macfie not matter the spelling - at this particular time the English  were fighting the  Spaniards in Buenos Aires . yet no Captain James Macfie is mentioned as being in the Navy or Army )  Much work need to be done to sort  this information out.

About 1815 a considerable share in the business of Macfie, Lindsay & Co was given to Mrs James Macfie, to assist her in bringing up her family. A few years later her son William Andrew, entered the concern as an apprentice, he subsequently became a partner in it and remained with the firm until 1837. William Andrew married in to the Thorburn family of Sweden and his descendants later moved to British Columbia Canada  

In June William Andrew Macfie expressed a desire to retire from Macfie Lindsay & Co, his place was taken by  John Graham, who had just given up his mill.We then find William A as manager of a rice mill in Greenock


No notes have been found regarding the death of Robert in 1816

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James Macfie
1801-1856
Married
Feb 07, 1837
Greenock, Scotland
Mary Graham
1813-1899

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Dugald Macfie
1837-1894
Mary Graham Macfie
1839-1874
John Graham Macfie
1841-1916
James Macfie
1843-1860
Margaret Ann Macfie
1845-1854
Jessie Barbara Macfie
1847-1930

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Mary Macfie (1780 -1853)  mother of Mary Graham,   is the sister of Margaret Macfie (1774-1853) , who is the mother of James Macfie ,  making James Macfie and his wife Mary Graham  first cousins both having the same grandfather Robert McFie .........

James was in Nassau  about 1820.
James Macfie was business partners with Colin Campbell in  Jamaica







Early in the year 1836 James Macfie decided not to go back to Jamaica, and arranged with his partners to take up a post at Glasgow. In November he became engaged to his cousin May Graham and they were married on the 7th of Februrary 1837..

Glasgow Street guides 1820 -1856






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The; Dugald working at Jame's place of business we believe to be an uncle on his father's side( not yet confirmed ca 2016) Dugald as a proper names does not figure into the sugar Macfie side of the family. There is a Duglad Macfie who married a Jane Andrew who had been mentioned in Wlliam Macfie's notes as not of his immediate family, which allows us to assume Dugald derives from one of the many other lines of Macfie none of which have yet been investigated.

As can be seen James Macfie has his office in the same location as his grandfather's business


The 1901 census shows John G Macfie born Scotland, living in Lancashire , Moss Side Parish and holding a commission with the East India Company



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Dugald Macfie
1837-1894
Married
Sept 20 1866
Manchester, England
Agnes Fleming
1844-1928

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Elizabeth Macfie
1867-1940
James Macfie
1869-1946
David Fleming Macfie
1870-1945
Agnes Violet Mary Macfie
1872-1940
Douglas Graeme Macfie
1874-1923
Morna Graham Macfie
1876-1944
Agnes Margaret Gladys Macfie
1879-1943





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In  1901 Elizabeth ( 33) Morna (24) and Gladys ( 21)  are living with their mother in Lancashire, Woking Parish, England

Douglas Graeme and David Fleming Macfie, counld not be located on the 1901 census so perhaps they had died before this date.


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James Macfie
1869-1946
Married
Apr 20 1901
Mina Campbell Drew
1876-1969

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Sylvia Elizabeth Macfie
1902-1988
Dugal Macfie
1908-1982

James Macfie - Major - Deputy Judge Advocate General of Nothern Command headquatters , Murree, Punjab, India (53) eldest son of Duglad Macfoe , late of Manchester.Lanc. Merchant

We find James who was born in Manchester England, listed on the 1901 census records as having the profession of Solicitor

Sylvia Macfie Colonel in the WRAC

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Dugald Macfie
1908-1982
Married
Manchester England
Rosemary V (Campbell) Rush
19xx-xxxx

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Clare Macfie
19xx-xxxx


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Dugald Macfie
1908-1982
Married
Manchester, England
Jane Wilson
19xx-xxxx

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Clare Macfie
19xx-xxxx

Married
1965

England

Michael Hicks
19xx-2012

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Andrew Hicks
19xx-xxxx
Zoe Hicks
19xxxxxx

Thomas Hicks

19xx-xxxx

Nicolas Hicks

19xx-xxxx


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David Fleming Macfie
1870-1945

Married
1913

Chiang Mai, Siam

Nang Kamman
1882-1968

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Violet Macfie
1905-1992
Mollie Macfie
1908-1993

Norah Macfie

1909-1991

Angus Flemming Macfie

1910-1989


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Mollie Macfie
1869-1993

Married
Jule 27 1933

Penang, Siam

James Hugh MeKean
1893-1942

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David James McKean
1939-xxxx
Catherine Mary McKean
19xx-xxxx

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David James McKean
1939-xxxx
Married

Miss Unknown
xxxx-xxxx

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Mary Catherine McKean
19xx-xxxx
 Morgan James McKean
19xx-xxxx


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Catherine Mary McKean
19xx-xxxx
Married

William Royer
19xx-xxxx

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Kate Royer
19xx-xxxx
Mollie Royer
19xx-xxxx


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Mollie Macfie
1908-1993
Married

Thomas Monroe Reid
1902-1987

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Norah Macfie
1901-1991
Married
England
Frederick Sanders
xxxx-xxxx

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Jackie Sanders
xxxx-xxxx



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Norah Macfie
1909-1991

Common Union
 1951

                                      Kaula Lampur

Morris Edgar
xxxx-1991


Agnes Violet Mary Macfie
1872-1940
Married
July 26, 1899
Manchester, England
James Edward Graham
1854-1929






Jessie Barbara Macfie
1847-1930
Married
October 23 1872
William Macfie Campbell
1848-1928

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Mary Graham Campbell
1873-xxxx
Margaret Macfie Campbell
1875-1890
Jessie Graham Campbell
1878-1880
Ethel May Campbell
1880-xxxx
Duncan Alexander Campbell
1886-1914

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The Campbell Family

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Barbara Macfie
1805-1840
Married
June 30 1837
Greenock, Scotland
Charles Murray
xxxx-xxxx

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Margaret Murray
1838-1858
Jane Murray
1840-1857

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William Andrew Macfie
1807-1899
Married
January 16, 1839
Jessie Thorburn
1818-1883 />

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James Macfie
1840-1846
William Thorburn Macfie
1841-1841
Robert Macfie
1842-1921
Margaret Macfie
1844-1847
William Andrew Macfie
1846-1926
Jessie Macfie
1848-1849
Marion Macfie
1850-1850
Mary Macfie
1851-1866
John Macfie
1854-1866
Janet Throburn Macfie
1856-1893
Edward Macfie
1857-1934
Marion Isabella Macfie
1859-1860
James Washington Macfie
1860-19xx


William Andrew Macfie and his wife moved to Sweden , where they continued in a long line of descendants

For more information on this particualr branch of the family you are invited to click on the following site.


The Thorburn Macfie Family Society

James Washington Macfie, established himself in British Columbia, Canada and produced his own family unit, therefore creating another Canadian link to the Sugar Macfie family of Scotland




Robert Andrew Macfie
1778-1811
Married
1807
Agnes Galt
xxxx-1855

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Robert Andrew Macfie
1808-1824
Jane Thomson Macfie
1809-1831
Mary Macfie
1811-1826

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Agnes Galt of course being the sister of John Galt the Novelist, and Aunt to Sir Alexander Tilloch Galt one of the Fathers of the Confederation of Canada, and Aunt to Sir Thomas Galt of the Supreme Court of the province of Ontario of Canada
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Mary Macfie
1780-1853
Married
January 11,1808
Greenock, Scotland
John Graham
1774-1830

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John Graham
1811-1890
Mary Graham
1813-1899
Robert Graham
1815-1836
Jessie Johnstone Graham
1817-1892
Duncan Graham
1819-1840
Eliza Ann Graham
1820-1899


The Graham Family


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