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Notes for Mary Johnes Wandell

The Family of Daniel Thorn & Mary Johnes Wandell

1790 census Castleton, Richmond Co., NY
John Wandall - 10301
1 male over 15 (John, age 44-54?)
0 males under 15
3 females (Letitia, age 44-54, Mary, age 22 & Ann, age 18)
1 slave

Listed on her father John Vandel (Wandell)'s will in 1797 as being Mrs. Daniel Thorn

----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Gilbert <jandjgilbert@nut-n-but.net>
To: <KNorthup@home.com>
Cc: Jack & June Gilbert <jandjgilbert@nut-n-but.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: Richmond County Surname: WANDELL


> Hi Kari,
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> You have hit bingo! Sorry I was away. but now am delighted to find you quiery. and give you a big HELLO!.
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> My line is from your John Vandel d.@ 1797 re:will. I have your Mary Wandell ma. to Daniel Thorne.
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> I have John's children: as John jr., Ann, Peter, Mary, and Charity.Wandel .
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> Charity Wandel b. April 29, 1770, d. October 13, 1831, age 61yr. 4 mo. 24da., burial Silver Mount Cemetery, Cooper's Circle, Richmond Co., NY ma. John Baker December 23, 1789 Moravian Ch. Richmond Co.NY. He was born abt.1770 d.abt.1822
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> Children: 1. John Wandell Baker b.June 25, 1790 d. August 15, 1834. Richmond Co.NY ma. Catherine Daniels 12-22-1805
> 2. Joseph Baker b. August 13, 1792 d. January 11, Richmond Co.,NY ma. Susan Stillwell b. d. Rich.Co.NY
> 3. Peter Wandell Baker b.April 23,1798 d.August 05, 1822 Richmond Co. NY ma. Elizabeth Haughwout on Oct.11,1840 She b.Oct.10,1822 Richmond Co.NY d. March 22,1877 Newburg, Orange Co. NY buried in St. George's Cemetery., Newburgh,NY with
> daughter Susan, grandson James Barr.,son-in-law James P. Barr.,my line
> > 4. Jeremiah Baker b. March 1801, Richmond Co. d. abt. 1880 Rich. Co.NY ma. ?
> 5. Ellen Baker b. abt 1825 Rich.Co.NY ma. William Manies May 21, 1845
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> I have more on the children and grands but I have not all the dates into the computer. I will get them out of the files and send them to you. Do you have anythig further back on John ? Keep in touch.
>
> June
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <KNorthup@home.com>
> To: <JandJgilbert@nut-n-but.net>
> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 8:58 AM
> Subject: Richmond County Surname: WANDELL
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> > My surnames are WANDELL
> > My name is Kari Northup
> > I am interested in Wandells that were in Staten Island in the late 1700's. My ancestor is Mary Wandell, daughter of John Wandell. She married Daniel Thorn and they lived in New Corning and later in Ontario/Yates Co., NY. I have a copy of John Wandell's will, listed under the name of John Vandel. Have only recently realized the last name was Wandell, so have been looking for Vandels with no luck. Some of Mary's siblings are Ann Wandell who married Jacob Burbank abt 1790 and Charity Wandell who married John Baker in 1789. She also had brothers named Peter & John. If you connect with these folks I would appreciate any input and would be happy to exchange info.
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Posted by José Rivera Nieves <cvrsvr@yahoo.com> on Mon, 06 Sep 1999, in response to Thorn - Orange Co, NY, posted by Kari Northup on Sun, 05 Sep 1999

In the "Early Records of the First Presbyterian Church at Goshen 1767-1885" compiled by Charles C. Coleman (1933), available in the Newburgh Free Library, there are reference to a Daniel, Mary, Richard, William, Sarah Ann and Thomas Thorn(e). One of the references concerns a marriage between Daniel Thorn and Mary Johnes on January 24, 1795.

1800 census New Cornwall, Orange Co., NY
Daniel Thorn
1 male 26-44 (Daniel, age 30-34)
1 male under 10 (John, age 4)
1 female 26-44 (Mary, prob age 26-36)
2 females under 10 (Unknown daughter #1, age 6 to 10. Unknown daughter #2, age )

Will of Langford Thorn (Daniel's father)
Will written June 10, 1807. Proven August 1, 1807.

In the name of God Amen I Langford Thorn of Cornwall in the County of Orange in the State of New York Yeoman being weak in body but of sound and perfect mind and memory blessed be almighty God for the same. Do make and publish this my last will and Testament in manner and form following (that is to say) First I bequeath my soul to God who gave it and my body to the grave to be buried in a decent manner at the discretion of my Executors hoping for a blessed immortality through the merits of my dear redeemer and as to the worldly estate wherewith God has blessed me, I give & bequeath in manner following. First having already provided for my son Daniel Thorn I give him five pounds - Item I give and bequeath to my son Abraham Thorn a certain bond I have against my said son Daniel Thorn on which due about five hundred dollars. ............. Lastly I hereby constitute and appoint my said son-in-Law John Eastmond and Benjamin Armitage of N. York Merc. Executors of this my last will and Testament hereby revoking all former wills by me made - In Witness of whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal this tenth day of June in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and seven. Signed sealed published and declared by the above named Langford Thorn to be his last will and Testament in the presence of us who at his request and in his presence have hereunto subscribed our names as Witnesses to the same the word (hundred) over the word (thousand) erased being first ? and also the word (forever) and the words (of New York)
Oliver Hyde
Drake Fowler
Timothy Witmore
Langford Thorne

Early Marriages
N.W. Presbyterian Church
1798-1810
The following is a list of early marriages at NW. Presbyterian Church. The list is provided by Glenn Marshall, Historian for the Town of New Windsor, Orange Co., NY and is provided here by him for the research benefit of our readers.

Thorn, Daniel Schultz, Debby 10/08/1807 - who is this??

In 1810, there are 3 possible Daniel Thorns with sons under age 10 (Lawrence was born in 1809, so would be about 1 year old). I think the one in Orange County is the correct one:

1810 Newburgh, Orange Co., NY
Daniel Thorn
1 male 26 to 44 (Daniel, age 40-44, born 1765 to 1784)
1 male 16 to under 26 (laborer? relative? born 1784 to 1794)
1 male 10 to under 16 (John, age 15)
1 male under 10 (Lawrence, age 1)
1 female 16 to 25 (unknown daughter #1, age 16 to 25 OR unknown daughter #2, age 6 to 16)
Mary should be age 36 to 46 - where is she??)

1820 - Benton, Ontario (later Yates) Co., NY
Daniel Thorn household
1 male 45+ (Daniel, age 50-54)
1 male 10 to under 16 (lawrence, age 11, born 1809)
1 male under 10 (son? born between 1810 & 1820)
1 female 45+ Mary, age 46 to 56
1 female 16 to under 26 (unknown daughter #1, age 26 to 35?? Unknown daughter #2, age 16 to 26??)

http://www.linkny.com/~history/ben1821.htm
1821 Early Tax Rolls Town of Benton, Ontario County NY
Names of Possessors Remarks by Assessors Description of Real Estate Amount of Real Estate Amount of personal Estate Total, Real and Personal Estate Tax to be paid thereon
Bush Bernard 160 160 .49
Bush Cornelius T the Lee farm 200 2400 2400 7.36
Bush Lodowick 398 3980 3980 12.24
Bush Peter L 100 900 900 2.76
Bush Peter P 100 1100 1100 3.37
Bush Rynard 230 2300 80 2380 7.30
Thorn Daniel 50 500 500 1.??
Wood Daniel 120 120 .37

Letters to Edward Eastmond from his father John Eastmond:

To Edward Eastmond, Benton, Ontario Co., NY
From John Eastmond, 1 York, 27th Oct. 1821
Rec'd 7th Nov.
Ans. 12

New York 27th October 1821
My dear Son,
I received yours of the 15th inst. last Sunday and am pleased to find that yourself & relatives are all well, accept your Aunt Debby I beg to recommend to her to take 30 drops of Balsam Capur every evening on going to bed for two or three weeks as I feel persuaded it will produce an alteration for the better on her lungs; & if it should do them no good it will do no harm and may benefit her health otherwise and suppose you will be able to get it in Geneva at the Apothecary's.
I have done nothing as to the land in Hector & from what you say I shall not inquire further about it.
Henry met with an opportunity of going out to Mobile as clerk to the house of Smiley & Cleveland merchants there, at a salary of $400 & expenses of his passage out. He saileld from here on Sunday morning the 14th inst. - the weather has been very fine ever since & I hope by this time he is nearly at his journey's end as an average passage is about three weeks. I parted with him with much reluctance, but the impossibility of getting a place for him here which he could get wages and his own anxious desire to leave New York induced me to let him go. I am now almost alone having only Martha & Mary at home. I think I have informed you that Benj. & Langford board at Mr. Whitings in the Bowery & come home only on Saturdays. I miss Henry very much, as you may remember he was very talkative and generally on subjects that were honourable to youth.
Phebe joins me in love to you & all your relatives. Mr. Taylor and the young ladies thank you warmly for your rememberance of them. I have not mentioned to Violetta your particular respect to her as yet but merely told the girls that you had done one of them that favour. I leave them to decide which it was. I approve your choice, she is a charming girl & is improving herself much in those qualities which render women truly desirable.
I enclose you ten dollars, and my draft on your uncle Daniel Thorn for $10 more which is on account of Interest he owes me & which he probably will be able to pay you in small amounts during the winter.
Mrs. Williams & her son Richard have been to my house a few days & they beg to be remembered to you & Mr. Williams in a letter I received two days since enquires particularly after you.
Dear Son I remain Your affectionate Father,
John Eastmond
P.S. Flour has risen here to $9 a bbl (bushel?) wheat 15/ - but I do not think it will keep up too long - perhaps not two months. N.B. Your last letter is vey full of uncorrected errors.

To Edward Eastmond, Milo, Ontario Co., NY
From John Eastmond, New York, 14th Jany 1823
Milo 25
Answd 3 Feby.
If Edward is gone to ? Mr. Wood will please forward this to him by mail

http://www.linkny.com/~history/ben1822.htm
Names of Possessors Remarks by Assessors Description of Real Estate Amount of Real Estate Amount of Personal Estate Total, Real and Personal Estate Tax to be paid thereon
Bush Lodowick H & Saw Mill 98a 1372 1372 3.75
Do (ditto) Do 98 784 784 2.14
Do Do 70a 700 700 1.91
Bush Barney 47a 329 329 .89
Do Do 100 1000 1000 2.73
Bush Peter L 100a 1000 1000 2.73
Bush John L 100a 900 900 2.46
Bush Raynard 230 2300 141 2441 6.66
Thorn Daniel 50 550 550 1.50

New York 14th Jany 1823
Dear Edward
I recd yours of 30th Dec on the 8th inst. - and am glad to find that yourself and relatives are all well except Debby. You may take anything of your Aunt Polly in payment of the interest due, provided she is not too extravagant in her charges. A Bed & bedding you will want hereafter, or likewise a colt & heifer, should you go on a place for yourself, but it appears to me that $20 for a heifer is twice as much as it is worth - I can buy good young cows & a calf by their side at the Bulls Head for $22 a.
I wish you to go to Skancateles & stay there 3 or 4 weeks or longer if you like it, to see how you would like the milling business & to find out if there is a prospect of doing any thing for yourself with the Mill there, beyond a bare living. Mr. L. owns or did own only 1/2 of the Mill & he wishes me to buy the other half. Now I would have nothing to do with it unless it suits you to follow the business, in case you may find it the answer, - I would rather sell my half & have done with it. If the Mill & farm will not afford you an income of about $150 beyond your expenses it is not worth having nor ? because the interest of the money it will cost, would support, you in the country without any work at all, but I cannot think of your eating the bread of idleness even if I could afford to let you, and I think you do not wish it. Before I can determine anything about it I must hear from you after you have been at Skancateles 2 or 3 weeks. If then I should be disposed to buy the other half of the mill, I will write to you the nature of the terms on which you may take it. And I wish you to see Mr. Litherland as soon as you conveniently can. I shall write to him on the subject to-morrow.
We are all in good health. I am going to send Benj. & Martha, Langford & Mary to Mr. Berault's School for a quarter's dancing.
My love to Debby & Daniel & all friends & believe me ever to remain
Your affectionate father
John Eastmond
I have not heard from Henry since 14th Oct. He was then well.

Another excerpt from a John Eastmond letter to his son that mentions Langford's son Daniel Thorn(e):

To Edward Eastmond, Milo, near Penyan, Yates Co., NY From John Eastmond, New York, 19th March 1824

Have you seen Danl Thorne lately and are you likely to get anything from him? You must push him and get what you can from him that is useful to you though you may allow too much for it. I got nothing but ingratitude in return for favours from almost every person that I have ever assisted. If Daniel does not pay the balance of interest due this spring I am determined to sue him on his bond & I wish you to tell him so. You may do it in writing if you please.

1830 - Benton, Yates Co., NY
Daniel Thorn household
1 male 60 and under 70 (Daniel,age 60-69)
1 male 20 and under 30 (Lawrence, age 21)
1 female 60 & under 70 (Mary, age 60-69)
1 female 15 & under 20 (daughter? age 15-19)

Also found a VERY interesting paragraph in "Historical Gazetteer, Steuben County, New York" by Millard F. Roberts (1891) - dates are ???? I am including the short paragraph before to try to establish that it was between 1820 and ?

Rice Moulton came here when a lad of fifteen years in 1820. His sister, Mrs. Ashael Tyler, was ten years old when they came. For many years after they became residents of this town their large farm barn (built by Blood) was used for quarterly and other meetings. They came from Saratoga.
Daniel Thorn, or "Old Thorn," as he was commonly called, lived many years on the farm west of Moulton's. He was a noted hunter and trapper in his day and many were the dollars he earned as bounty money for the wolves he scalped, sometimes getting as high as twenty dollars apiece for them. He afterwards became noted as an "anti-renter", and would neither pay for the farm at the office or leave it. The sheriff was sent to oust the old fellow, with a number of men to assist; they found him barricaded in his house, with provisions and ammunition, prepared for a siege. He told them to come on if they wanted to, that he "was not brought up in the woods to be scared by owls," and that the first one who attempted to poke his head through the door would get a bullet through his cranium. The sheriff and his posse were not of the blooded kind, and concluded that the safest way was to let Old Thorn alone. The office compromised with him soon after, and he went west.

Do you think this is why we "lose" our Daniel in Yates between 1835 and 1840? If he had John in 1796 he was probably born about 1776 - so he would be about 60 in 1835 and could be called "Old Thorn".

Letter from John Eastmond to Abram Thorne (addressee) (Note from K - is this Lawrence???)
Benton, Yates Co. Bellona Post Office St. New York
Middletown 25th Nov. 1837
Dear Sir
Yesterday it was 12 mos. since I wrote to you in reply to you & your sister's letter respecting the affairs of your late father, and gave you a statement of my claim on the estate up to 1st June 1836 for $330.50. Since that period I have not heard from you. Another year and a half's interest is now due, say $15.75, which makes the total now due $204.75 and this added to the principal makes $354.75 - high time that this amount was paid and I am in the want of it. If I do not hear from you soon I shall be under the necessity of legal steps to recover the money; at the same ??? the necessity of putting you to expense. In order to avoid - it would be advisable for you to try and borrow the money or give a new mortgage for the amount. Pray let me hear from you by mail.
Yours

Wife Mary listed as head of household in Elmira, Chemung Co., NY in 1840, living with daughter age 25 to 30 and near son John.

1840 - State: New York
County: Chemung Roll: M704_268
Township: Elmira Page: 279
Image: 184
Thorn, Mary
1 female 70 to 80 (Mary, age 70 to 76)
1 female 20 to 30 (Daughter, age 25 to 29)

1850 age 35 to 39
There is an Emma Thorne, age 41, in Ontario Co., NY, living in the household of Moses Yeamans, age 77

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ID: I544506999
Name: John WANDEL
Given Name: John
Surname: Wandel
Sex: M

Marriage 1 Letitia (Aletta) SWAN
Married: 4 JUL 1761 in Trinity Church Parrish, NY, NY
Children
Peter Smith WANDELL (WANDEL) b: 10 JAN 1766 in Staten Island, NY
Anne Mary WANDEL b: 9 JUN 1768 in Staten Island, NY
Charity WANDEL b: 21 MAY 1770 in Staten Island, NY
Anne WANDEL b: 7 JUL 1772 in Staten Island, NY
Thomas WANDEL b: 26 APR 1777 in Staten Island, NY