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Tubb Religious History

What prompted this migration of the Tubb clan from NC to SC?  When questions about Tubb migration are asked, I believe the data can be interpreted to support a hypothesis that the Tubbs migrated because of religious reasons.  The following are some quotes from a typescript paper included among Bess Pearce’s papers that very probably originated with Lora Lee Layne.

 

GEORGE TUBB 

 

From notes I hold from Bess Pearce which quotes research done for some researcher by Leonardo Andrea:

 

“The Tubbs Family were Baptist.  In the old Baptist Churchyards in the area of Tubb Mountain and on across the line in Polk, formerly Rutherford County the tombstones show many of the Baptists were from New England or England itself. . .The colonies of Baptists came to that area of South Carolina in numbers as shown in Baptist History. . .The New England influence was still strong in Greenville County in 1860 when by a large majority the county voted against secession from the Union. . .When I was a boy in upper Greenville County many men in good standing fought for the Union. . .I am of the opinion that the Tubb Family came from England, then to South and North Carolina from New England. . .Orange County, N. C. had a big New England Colony. . .from notes of Leonardo Andrea. 

 

George Tubb is mentioned in Townsend’s South Carolina Baptists in a footnote, p. 286. 

 

Head of Enoree Church in Greenville County, S. C. 
Dismissed the 1st Sunday in November to Keeowee Church on Little River: 

 

GEORGE TUBB 

ELIZABETH TUBB 

MARY TUBB 

SARAH TUBB (Note by T. M. H.- This could not have been the Sarah who married William Moore -- she was born in 1803) (Could this have been Sarah [Sanders] Tubb, wife of William Tubb, son of George? 

 

Keeowee, or Keeowee River Church, organized in 1791, entered the Bethel 

Association in 1793. Joseph Logan became pastor sometime between 1791 and 

1796 and served the church for several years, but reports to association were 

so irregular as to make the length of his pastorate uncertain. At the same time 

James Abbott was a candidate for the ministry. Other messengers to the as- 

sociation were Isaac Lynch, in 1794, who reported seventeen members, William 

Floyd, in 1796, when there were twelve, and Charles Dodson, in 1800, who again 

reported seventeen communicants. The church was dismissed by the Bethel 

Association in 1802 to enter the Saluda Association. The building stood on a 

two acre lot of land originally granted to John Gresham in Pendleton District, 

near Fort Prince George and Crow Creek on the Keeowee River. 

 

http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/sc/oconee/history/h-55.txt

 

NOTE: From land records from Pendleton County that show that George’s wife Elizabeth relinquished her dower on the sale of the Pendleton land in 1805, it is my hypothesis that the George and Elizabeth were husband and wife (George Tubb and Elizabeth Floyd); that Mary was the widow of George and Sarah Tubb was possibly Sarah [Sanders] Tubb, wife of William Tubb, son of George and Mary who was not a member of the church.  Little is known about  William and Sarah [Sanders] Tubb other than from the land record of involved in the death of William Sanders [Sarah’s father] in Pendleton Dist in 1816.

 

History of Carolina Baptists

 

Shubal Stearns

 

Shubal Stearns was a Separate Baptist who had lived most of his early life in Tolland CT, left the Congregationalist Church In New London, CT, became a Baptist in New London and was ordained there in 1751.  He left New New England, moving to Opequon Virginia in 1754 and answering a call for a preacher from friends in NC moved to North Carolina in the area of what was then Orange County. He formed the Sandy Creek Association in 1758  (Wikipedia)  Location of Sandy Creek Church near Liberty NC below.

At the time that William Tubb lived in Orange County, NC (c. 1755-1758) Orange County encompassed the area in which the Sandy Creek was located.  A further search of Orange County records is needed to absolutely affirm or negate whether George Tubb was there or not from the 1755 to 1768.  In 1768 William Tubb sold land (need Orange County records) and apparently moved into the Tryon-Rutherford County area of NC.

Land records from Tryon County, NC (1769-1779 – later dissolved to form Rutherford and Lincoln counties, N. C.) for George, William and Richard Tubb:

A Deed of Sale from John Sanford & Sary his wife to George Tub Dated the 26 July 1769 for 150 acres of Land. James Forsyth Evidence. Ordered to be Registered. .  (Holcomb, Tryon County, North Carolina Court Minutes, 1769-79 p. 7.  Found on Ancestry)

A Deed of Sale from James Capshaw to Richard Tubb for 70 acres of Land Dated the 3d Day of July 1774 proved in open Court by Essex Capshaw Evidence thereto. Ord'd to be Reg'd (Holcomb, p. 161.)

A Deed of Sale from David Thompson to William Tubb for 240 acres of Land Dated the 1st Day of March 1777 proved by John Lusk Evidence thereto. Ord'd to be Registered. (Holcomb, p. 220)

Richard Tubb sold the land he purchased from Capshaw to John Stanford in 1776.

In 1789 George Tubb of Greenville Co., planter to Anthony Pealer Sr. of York County 150 acres for 300£ on the main Broad River originally granted to Thomas Hooper of N. C. on 27 April 1767 and consists of” 99 islands.”  Wit. Irby Dewberry, James “X” Robinson, James Willis. J.P.
[NOTE:: This appears to be the location of the current 99 Islands Dams on the Broad River of North Carolina in what is now Cherokee County, S. C. but was possibly part of Tryon-Rutherford County in the 1775-1780 time frame.  “The Broad Scenic River flows along the county borders of Cherokee and York in the Piedmont region of South Carolina as it makes its way toward joining with the Saluda River in Columbia to form the Congaree. In May of 1991, the Broad River from 99 Islands dam to the confluence with the Pacolet River was officially recognized by the South Carolina General Assembly as a State Scenic River.]

Others associated with Head of Enoree Church who were in Rutherford County in the 1780’s:

 

           George Logan is mentioned on p. 8 of South Carolina Baptists by Joel King.

Joseph Logan --Joseph Logan became pastor  of the Keeowee Church to which  George, Elizabeth and Sarah Tubb and William and Susannah Tabor were dismissed from Head of Enoree to Keeowee Church in 1799.   Sometime between 1791 and 1796 Joseph Logan served the church for several years, but reports to association were so irregular as to make the length of his pastorate uncertain.
James Logan –

The list below does not include all the land records for James and Joseph Logan included on the webiste: http://www.rootsweb.com/~albibb/firstfamilies/logan2.htm

 

Deed Abstracts of Tryon, Lincoln, and Rutherford Co., NC 1769-1786 (B. HOLCOMB) 
pp134-169 has early Rutherford Co. deeds:



 

03 Mar 1779 Grant to James LOGAN; 136 acres on Law's Crk, both sides of North Pacolet

 [NOTE: See the relationship of the Pacolet River, the Broad River and the “99 islands” in the note on the sale of land in what was then York County.]

 

12 July 1779 Geo. HERRIS of Ruth. To Joseph LOGAN of same; land on both sides Buck Creek of First Broad River


 

20 Aug 1779 Grant to James LOGAN; 200 acres on No. Packolet River adj. & below James MILLAR's entry, including SPRIGGS improvement
[Note marriage, above, between James LOGAN and Mary MILLER in Rowan Co. in 1776-this could easily be the same James]


 

30 Aug 1779 Grant to James LOGAN; 50 acres on No. Packolet River, adj. Thos. SPRIGS

30 Aug 1779 Grant to James LOGAN; 100 acres on No. Packolet River above the other entry, including HOOPER camp


 

13 Oct 1782 Grant to James LOGAN; 100 acres on branch of Roberson's Crk., above Aaron BICKERSTAFF
13 Oct 1782

 

Grant to James LOGAN; 150 acres on Horse Creek of Main Broad River, incl. Rich'd HICKS improvement
13 Oct 1782

 

Grant to James SATERFIELD; 100 acres on Beaver Dam Crk. Of Little Broad River, above James LOGAN


 

23 Sep 1783 John MOORE of 96 SC to James LOGAN of Linc. Co., NC: land on both sides of Hinson's Crk of No. Packolet River, including HINSON's improvement.


 

11 Oct 1783 Grant to Joseph LOGAN; 200 acres on First Broad River, adj. BEATY

13

 

Oct 1783 Grant to James LOGAN; 100 acres on Beaver Dam Crk. Of First Broad River, adj. SHELTON
 
02 Nov 1784

 

James LOGAN of Camden Dst., SC to Geo. BLANTON of Ruth. Co., NC: land on Beavour's Crk. Of First Little Broad River, adj. SHELTON


 

James Tubb had this grant in Rutherford County:
Book E, p. 42. No. 587 N. C. Grant No. 320 Caswell to JAMES TUBBS for 50 shill. every 100 a. tract of 100 a. on Beaverdam Creek adj. THOMAS MURRAY, SAMUEL TURNER.9 AUG, 1787.

 

Why did the Tubbs move to this location between 1769 and 1777?

 

I have not yet found a that there was a Separate Baptist Church in Rutherford County, NC; however the following quotation may apply:

 

Within a space of 17 years after its organization Sandy Creek had planted 42 daughter churches, from which 125 preachers had been called.  Within 50 years it had 1000 daughter churches.  Shubal Stearns organized the first daughter churches into the Sandy Creek Baptist Association. When Stearns died in 1771 his church had 606 members, and on his monument at Sandy Creek are the words:

 

"On this site in November-December 1755 Rev. Shubal Stearns, his wife, and those who came with him, seven other families, sixteen souls in all, built their first meeting house where they administered the Lord's supper. 'It is a mother church, nay a grandmother and a great grandmother.  All the Separate Baptists sprang hence: not only eastward towards the sea, but westward towards the great river Mississippi, but northward to Virginia and southward to South Carolina and Georgia. The Word went forth from this Sion. And great was the company of them who published it in so much that her converts were as drops of morning dew.' "

 

Given the statement that by the time of Stearns death there were 42 daughter churches, one or more of those daughter churches might have been in what were to become Rutherford and Lincoln counties in North Carolina and York and Union counties in South Carolina. 

            Philip Mulkey

Philip Mulkey, a Separate (one who left the Congregational Church)  Baptist, became a  Baptist in 1756 and was ordained to preach in 1757.  He led a group of 13 in 1759-60, from Deep River, North Carolina to Broad River, S. C. and in 1762 moved to Fairforest -- a tract between Fairforest Creek and Tyger River.  Fairforest was oldest Separate Baptist group from N. C.; there were several branches-- one was Enoree and one was Catawba in N. C. (King, South Carolina Baptists) The Deep River congregation was apparently in Bladen County, NC.

Head of Enoree Church, Greenville County, South Carolina

According to the church history on the website of the Reedy River Baptist Church near Greenville, SC the original name of the church was the Head of Enoree Church. “While the name Reedy River was used in some associational minutes years earlier,  the name wasn't officially changed until 1846.”  Head of Enoree Church was located a few miles north of Traveler’s Rest.

The following map that appears to be hand drawn by Parish or a contributor to his book shows the relationship of the Tubb land and the location of Traveler’s Rest:

 

Parish map

  

Compare the map above with a map of Greenville County watersheds and Roads below:

http://www.rootsweb.com/~scgreenv/maps/gv_rivers.pdf (Mel Odom)

Clearly, the Tubbs held many acres in the area north and west of Traveler’s Rest and  in the area of the Head of Enoree Church.

Names of families that were members of the Head of Enoree Church and were associated with the Tubb family through marriage or land relationships.

Elizabeth Bates

James Bates

Enoch Benson

Margaret Benson

Jeremiah Benson

Robert Benson

Phoebe Cooksey

Sally Cooksey

Sarah Cooksey

Sier Cooksey

Elizabeth Fisher

James Fisher

Sally Fisher

Abraham Hargess

Annie Hargess

Susannah Hooper

Jennett Hooper

Patsy McVay

Elizabeth Salmon

William Salmon

Elizabeth Tubb

Heron Tubb

James Tubb

John Tubb

William Tubb Sr.

Solomon Taber

Susannah Taber

William Taber Jr

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jebates/jb&et/BatesA.htm

 

I am beginning to develop the hypothesis that the appearance of William Tubb in North Carolina at approximately the same time as Shubal Stearns could indicate that the Tubb family is actually descended from the northern Tubbs family.  The evidence is certainly tentative at this point.  The only evidence for the possibility of a New England origin is the coincidental appearance of Shubal Stearns from New London CT and William Tubb in Orange County North Carolina in the same time period accompanied by the somewhat singular fact that the Tubbs family were members of the Separate Baptist congregations at Enoree and Keeowee in Greenville and Pendleton counties.

 

On the other hand, the Tubb males and their families could have become converted to the Baptist faith after Stearns arrived in Orange County. 

 

DNA Evidence

 

One piece of evidence that would go a long way to sorting out the New England, Maryland, and southern Tub/s lines would be DNA evidence.  If there is a match among male descendants of the three lines, this would go a long way towards indicating a recent common ancestor.  If there is no match, then the possibility of a common ancestor for the three lines is negated and research can concentrate on the development of an ancestry for the three separate lines.  On the other hand, there might be a match on male descendants of two lines so that researchers might begin to work on the connection.  DNA research is no substitute for a paper trail; DNA and traditional research work hand in hand.

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