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Note for:   O'Cathan,   BEF 990 - Deceased         Index

Alias:   Occaan Prince of Fermonach in /Ireland/

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***Notes for (O'Cathan) Ocaan, Prince of Fermanagh:
The Monroe or Munro family was founded by Ocaan, Prince of Fermangh, chief of a clan of Scots who, in the 4th Century, had been driven by the Romans into Ireland. Ocaan dwelt by lough Foyle, on the Roe water, about 1000 A.D., from whence the name Munro (Man from Roe), is derived.
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    O'CATHAN (PRINCE OF1 FERMANAGH) was born Bef. 1020.

Notes for O'CATHAN (PRINCE OF FERMANAGH):

[Source: "History of the MUNROS of Fowlis...." by Alexander MacKenzie, MJI, 1898] Page 2: ..... There is , however, no doubt that Angus Og of the Isles, who succeeded his elder brother Alexander in 1303, married Margaret, daughter of Guy O'Cathan, anglicised O'Kaine, of Ulster, the tocher being, according to Hugh MacDonald the "Sleat Seannachaidh", seven score men out of every surname under O'Kain. Of these Irishmen, several are said to have become the heads of clans or septs in Scotland, and among them MacDonald specially mentions "the MUNROs, so-called because they came from the Innermost Roe-Water in the country of Derry, their names being formerly O'Millans"......

.....The author of the "Chronological Account" already quoted adds that "the people then being much addicted to call men patronimically, or from the places whence they came, always called Donald, O'Caan's son, Donald Munro, and his successors MUNRO, as Irish wrytes yet extant testifie, and were called in English and Latin "de Monro", and that in respect that O'Caan's residence and castle was on the Ro water; and it is informed the said Donald called the place he took in Scotland "Foules", after a land so-called in Ireland, near Loch Foyle. It may be stated there is a "Lough Foyle" in County Derry into which the River Roe still empties itself, and this may be said to lend a certain modicum of plausibility to the tradition which connects the ancestors of the Munros with that locality.

"The late well-known and distinguished author of "Celtic Scotland", Dr. W. F. Skene, discusses the subject in an earlier work in which he expresses the opinion that the Munros came originally into Ross from the Province of Moray. .......... The same high authority, after pointing out where the possessions of the Munros lie, says that their lands are known in the Highlands by the name of "Fearann Donald", a name "derived from the progenitor Donald, who bore the patronymic O'Cain; but as they originally formed a part of the tribe of Moray, it seems clear that their earliest seats must have been in that part of Moray from which they were driven out by the Bissets. "

Children of O'CATHAN (PRINCE OF FERMANAGH) are:

2. i. DONALD2 MUNRO, b. Bef. 1040, Ross-shire, Scotland; d. Abt. 1053, Ross-shire, Scotland.

ii. ANN MUNRO, m. ANGUSH MACDONALD (OF ISLA) ("LORD OF THE ISLES").
Notes for UNNAMED (Family)
Web sites on the family as well:
HISTORY:
http://www.clan-munro-assoc.demon.co.uk/munros.htm

FOULIS CASTLE
http://www.tartans.com/clans/Munro/foulis.html

CLAN CHIEFS
http://www.clanmunroassoc.demon.co.uk/chief.htm

EULOGY for CAPTAIN PATRICK
http://www.tartans.com/clans/munro/patrickmunro.html

MONTGOMERY'S HIGHLANDERS
http://www.electricscotland.com/history/scotreg/montgomery.htm
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Munros Beyond 1369
Posted by: Don Munro (ID *****1758) Date: February 20, 2003 at 21:40:38
     of 1549

I have noticed with interest the claims of some Munros that they can trace their ancestors back to Occaan Prince of Farmonach in Ireland to the year 1000AD & beyond and would make the following comments. Genealogy is an exact study that must be based on facts and the fact is that no Munro or Monro can go back further that 1369 and that is a lot further than most can go.

RW Munro is the Munro Clan genealogist and in 1978 he expanded on MacKenzies Munro Family History 1898 and I quote from his text. He is talking about the 1st 10 generations, which exist by tradition only. I would also say that a number of writers suggest that the Munros are native Celts and not from Ireland- eg the Earl of Cromartie in his book “A Highland History.” Here is an abridged copy of what RW Munro says.

“It must be acknowledged that documentary proof of these intervening generations is entirely lacking; several cogent reasons can be advanced for not accepting them as authentic, and they have in fact been subjected to fair and detailed criticism.”

He gives four reasons why some of the claims are unlikely but I have omitted them for the sake of brevity

“These first ten generations, therefore, with all their names and dates and other attendant details, should not be taken too seriously, and can certainly not be regarded as established fact or even as genuine local tradition. It seems to be not at all unlikely, as has been suggested, that the traditional founder, Donald, has been placed earlier than he should be in time, and that the gap between him and the recorded chiefs (which may in fact have been no more than a generation or two) has been filled in perhaps more or less at random from scraps of undated oral tradition, with appropriate details supplied by conjecture if not by deliberate invention.

From 1369 onwards the Munro genealogy can be fully supported by contemporary evidence, as illustrated in the notes, and as much of that evidence is based on land-holding it will be well to see what is known from various sources about the Munro lands of Ferindonald and the ancient barony of Foulis.”

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Re: Munros Beyond 1369
Posted by: Malcolm Hamilton (ID *****5106) Date: February 21, 2003 at 14:59:07
In Reply to: Munros Beyond 1369 by Don Munro of 1549

This an area of particular interest to me--probably an article to come eventually.

Most serious scholars accept the fact that the first ten generations of Munros lack any credibility based on contemporary evidence, and I would be the last to dispute this. At the same time, one must remember that there was a real Arthur behind the much embroidered legend of King Arthur. There was/is a Troy, and maybe even there was a Santa Claus.

I believe that somewhere back there, there was a Donald. Not the son of the prince of Fermanagh, to be sure. For one thing, it is very clear to the noted historian William F. Skene that the Highlanders did not descend from the Irish Scots, but from the Picts. He argues convincingly that the Highlanders were natives of the area and had been there for centuries.

I think the clue is with the earls of Ross to the unnamed generations of Munros before your 1369 bunch, which, by the way is not the earliest ones mentioned.
There is a charter by William Earl of Rosse, Lord of Sky, etc. etc, dated somewhere not before 1350 and not after 1371 that grants land to Robert de Munro.

The Munros did not appear magically on that date, of course. They had been around for quite a while. The problem is that they hadn't been sigificant enough to catch the attention of those who were writing the great charters and grants. Therefore, there is no contemporary evidence, but I'm sure in my soul that they were there. Now if we can just find out where Munro is, because it is surely a place.

Enough clues


Individual Notes

Note for:   Solomon Barnett,   ABT 1773 - 1859         Index

Name Note: Source:    Brøderbund WFT Vol. 3, Ed. 1, Tree #5321, Date of Import: Dec 13, 1996

Birth Note: Source:    Brøderbund WFT Vol. 3, Ed. 1, Tree #5321, Date of Import: Dec 13, 1996

Death Note: Source:    Brøderbund WFT Vol. 3, Ed. 1, Tree #5321, Date of Import: Dec 13, 1996

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     [solomon and sarah.FTW]

This individual was found on GenCircles at: http://www.gencircles.com/users/darose47/1/data/1920[Combined.ftw]

In Oswald Jett's, Hancock County, KY. when it was frontier. It is stated that "Solomon Barnett b. ca. 1773 in Virginia; d. 1859 in Ohio Co. Ky. He was living in Rutherford Co., NC in 1790; and was in Washington Co., Ky before 1800

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Solomon Barnett, Washington Co. KY to Howard Co. MO
Posted by: Karen Caldwell (ID *****4862) Date: January 30, 2004
I am searching for descendants of Solomon Barnett who married first to Polly Booth on 5/29/1798 and secondly to Margaret "Peggy" Hourigan on 7/11/1815. Both marriages took place in Washington County, Kentucky. Solomon was one of the party of fourteen who emigrated from Kentucky in 1819 to Missouri and erected Head's Fort, near Rocheport. His brother-in-law, David Isaacs was also with this group. David married Grace Hourigan on 5/5/1818. Peggy and Grace were daughters of Patrick Hourigan and Winney Arnold.

Karen Caldwell
Lebanon, KY
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Jessie,
Thank you for your reply. Since I posted my query I was reminded that the Solomon Barnett who married Margaret "Peggy" Hourigan was not born until 1793 making it impossible for him to have married Polly Booth in 1798. Since they were both named Solomon and both married in Washington Co. KY it's possible that they were related, possibly uncle and nephew. Do you know the father of your Solomon Barnett?

From the book, Washington County Kentucky Bicentennial History:

"In the early 1800s there was a Barnett settlement in the northern section of Washington County (KY) near Thompson Creek. We are told the town had a distillery, grist mill, blacksmith shopt and a store. This section of Washington Co., including Barnett Town, became a part of Mercer Co. in 1860."

Some of the early Barnett marriages that took place in Washington Co. KY were:
6/6/1797/98 James Barnett who married Elizabeth Kollar, John and Jerusha Kollar, bond - William Hays, Book 1, page 16

5/5/1801 Sameul Barnett - Patsey Woods, Book 2, page ?

2/22/1801 Andrew Barnett - Polly Hardin, Book 1, page 38

5/29/1798 Solomon Barnett - Polly Booth, Mary Booth, Book 1, page 25

4/26/1804 William Barnett - Susannah Short, Book 1, page 54

1/18/1798 Ann Barnett - Thomas McIntire, Book 1, page 20

7/10/1797 Elizabeth Barnett - Charles Monroe, Byrum Barnett & Egbet Barnet, Book 1, page 15

10/15/1808 - Mary Barnett - John Thurman, Book 1, page 83

12/25/1806 - Nancy Barnett - Benjamin Case, Book 1, page 71

March 1796 - Nancy Barnett - John Rowland, Book 1, page 8

Individual Notes

Note for:   Mary Camp,   5 JAN 1739/40 -          Index

Individual Note:
     [thomas camp iii.ged]

This individual was found on GenCircles at: http://www.gencircles.com/users/wfuller/1/data/3858[james tarpley.ged]

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Note for:   Joseph Camp,   1741 - AFT 1805         Index

Individual Note:
     [thomas camp iii.ged]

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Individual Notes

Note for:   John B. Camp,   13 OCT 1743 - 1813         Index

Burial:   
     Place:   Lebanon Church Cemetery; Princeton, SC

Burial:   
     Place:   Lebanon Church Cem., Greenville, SC

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     [thomas camp iii.ged]

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Subject: [CAMP-L] Re: Tarpley roots
Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 00:20:03 -0800 (PST)
Resent-From: CAMP-L@@rootsweb.com
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 18:18:16 -0600
From: Henry O Camp
Reply-To: CAMP-L@@rootsweb.com


Dear Elaine
        We do notice that you claim Mary Camp b. 1708-m-James Tarpley b. 1692. So do we, but many people don't because of what Margaret McDonald wrote. Judge Zelma Wells Price had Tarpley Family records handed down to her that are not available to us. She gave a date and place for the marriage of Mary Camp and James Tarpley. Margaret just loves to find fault. She had a writing published that she called, "Beware of Charlotte County Marriage Bonds." Judge Price wrote, concerning Mary Camp d. 1786
and Thomas Tarpley d. 1788. Record says, HE WAS CARRIED BACK HOME FOR BURIAL BY HIS WIFE" Margaret wrote, "How could she carry her husband's body home for burial when she died before he did.? TSk tsk We all know, except Margaret, that by means near to.

John Camp-m-Mary Tarpley, bro. & sis. to Nathan Camp-m-Winifred Tarpley
Annie Naomi Camp, Double First cousin to. Elizabeth & bro. Benjamin Camp
4th. great grandparents 2nd. C Malessia Howard A.F. Camp
3rd great grandparents 3rd. C. Walter Braselton B.W. Camp
2nd. great grandparents 4th. C Emma Braselton H.D. Camp
great grandparents 5th. C Annie Ruland Otis Camp
Father or Mother 6th. C Thelma Crocker -m- Henry Camp
Elaine 7th. C to bro. & sis. Velvet and Gregory Camp

        I guess that would be Double 7th. cousins from both sides Velvet and Gregs parents. About five years ago, i found out that I was married to my 5th. cousin. Thelma Lee is real proud of her Camp blood, except she can not say the Camps are stubborn anymore. Most women ask the husband, "Do you love me? My answer was, "I married you didn't I?" She, "Well, you don't ever tell me that you do. Me, "You don't chase a street car after you have caught up with it." I don't need to tell you that went over like a led balloon. It is easy to answer her question now. Me, "I love everybody that has a drop of Camp blood in their veins."

        We would like to have all of the information that you offered. i went to Granbury high school. We became hilltoppers in 1947.

May the wind be at your back and may it be down hill, in both directions

Henry Camp, 3150 Runnels, Fort Worth, TX. 76106-6446,
e-Mail signpainter@@Juno.com`

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John Camp was a Revolutionary soldier and served as a Lt. under Col. Roebuck in the American Army.
He was also a Confederate Soldier and fought in the Battle of Kings Mountain, in SC.
Source: DAR records of the Camp Family, DAR National Library, Washington, DC.
Nevelle and Catherine Cleek Mann, "Camp-Kemp Family History, Vol. I-II", 1969, Cedar Bluff, AL., 35959.
"Kemp Family Newsletter", Spring 1996, Vol. VIII.[thomas camp.ged]

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John Camp was a Revolutionary soldier and served as a Lt. under Col. Roebuck in the American Army.
He was also a Confederate Soldier and fought in the Battle of Kings Mountain, in SC.
Source: DAR records of the Camp Family, DAR National Library, Washington, DC.
Nevelle and Catherine Cleek Mann, "Camp-Kemp Family History, Vol. I-II", 1969, Cedar Bluff, AL., 35959.
"Kemp Family Newsletter", Spring 1996, Vol. VIII.

Individual Notes

Note for:   Nathaniel Camp,   1745 -          Index

Individual Note:
     [thomas camp iii.ged]

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Individual Notes

Note for:   Thomas Camp,   1747 -          Index

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     [thomas camp iii.ged]

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Individual Notes

Note for:   Starling Camp,   1749 -          Index

Individual Note:
     [thomas camp iii.ged]

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Individual Notes

Note for:   Hosea Camp,   1751 -          Index

Individual Note:
     [thomas camp iii.ged]

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Individual Notes

Note for:   William Camp,   1753 -          Index

Individual Note:
     [thomas camp iii.ged]

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Individual Notes

Note for:   Alfred Camp,   1755 -          Index

Individual Note:
     [thomas camp iii.ged]

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Individual Notes

Note for:   Benjamin Camp,   1757 - 1832         Index

Individual Note:
     [thomas camp iii.ged]

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Individual Notes

Note for:   Elizabeth Camp,   1759 - AFT 1850         Index

Individual Note:
     [thomas camp iii.ged]

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