Subj: Robert A. Lott

Date: 1/5/99 7:23:33 PM Central Standard Time

From: stoii@juno.com (shirley l lindeen)

To: JBarron933@AOL.COM

Friend John, Here is some information that I got from Wm. Moore a few years back. He sent me a stack of papers he has researched over the years, and a lot of these include a great deal of information on Lotts. Territorial Paper Of the United States dated early 1800's it includes some parts of Ga Fl and Mississippi where the Lotts were instrumental of advising the Gov. Congress letters to the president pertaining to the enormous amount of immigrants flooding these areas, some Indian info relating to Lott. This info on Robert Lott was in the papers I got from Moore They are sheet form. Robert A. Lott, Washington Cty, Texas

Robert Lott came to Texas about 1836 and crossed the Brazos River into the town of old Washington in Wash Cty Dec 25 that year. He came from Mississippi but he was a native of Florida, he was born near the city of Tallahassee Oct 10th 1797. Two brothers John and jESSIE Lott preceded him. John lost his life killed by some Indians near Killiam Springs in Grimes Cty 1838. Jessie located at San Antonio died 1860. Robert A. located in Wash cty 4miles SW of Washington, where he had hotel and general Merchandise company. He took part in the Somervill Expedition and was captured at Mier. He drew a white bean at the hacienda of Salado and escaped death at that place. Those drawing the black beans were shot by orders of Santa Ana. He died Jan 3, 1861 at 63 yrs of age. He more or less grew up in Fla. in the stock raising business as he brought a band of fine horses with him to Texas. He married Susan C. Behn Jan 17, 1828 died Feb 28,1895 she was 84 at her death. John as you may know I have been tracking the Lotts thru Creek and Seminole Records and at this time have a total of 22 enrolled Lotts in the Creek. I started following the Lotts in Texas a long with the Watts. Thomas Watt died of snake bite in Center Texas. This Texas information on Watt and Lott, came from a Cherokee Application from descendants of Nathan Lott. It told of Lotts who had left going to Indian territory and Thomas Watts was among them, it told of Arthur's brother, I am assuming this is the same John Arthur we are discussing above. Brother was killed on the trip as it says in the application also someone's wife drowned at a river. Well this all I have at this time hope it helps.

Joe

Date: 1/7/99

To: stoii@juno.com

Joe, thank you for the info concerning Robert Lott. If I am correct, this write-up came from "The History of Grimes Co., Texas" and is partly correct and partly legendary. I am in the process of writing a paper on him and his brothers who came to Texas and will give you a chance to review it when completed.

I'm not familiar with the Thomas Watts that you referred to. My ancestor, Thomas Watts, died ca 1855 in Smith Co., Texas. He was the father-in-law of my Arthur Lott of Smith Co.

As you may know I am very skeptical of the Indian ancestry claims found in the Dawes Commission and related papers. I feel that were self serving and for the most part related legendary events and relationships that supposedly occurred before the people swearing out the documents were born. I don't mean to imply that I dismiss them out of hand, but I think they should be looked at as clues and verified by other independent work. I would be very interested in hearing about such independent research that backed up some of these claims.

John Barron

Date: 1/7/99 10:46:01 AM Central Standard Time

From: stoii@juno.com (shirley l lindeen)

To: JBarron933@aol.com

Hello John, The Thomas Watts you refer to who died in Smith Cty, Texas is the same individual I am speaking of the memorandum clearly states his name and place of death. Smith Cty as you may know was within the bounds of legitimate Cherokee Territory from land grant of the Spanish to the Cherokees. Alto there are great parts of this memorandum that is not readable and have contacted kodiac several times about helping with the reconstruction, and what this is applications of the descendants of Nathan Lott. The problem with this is they applied Cherokee but stating that earlier Lotts had went to Hilchete which I instantly recognized this to be a district of the Creek Nation in Oklahoma. But it lead me into Texas, although I haven't researched all the names yet in Texas, I went on into Oklahoma to research the Creek nation, and very early agency records which has taken about 2 years I have found 22 enrolled Lott arriving in Indian Territory as early as 1830, but on the trail as early as 1828 and two letters from a John William Lott and a Benjamin Lott who were participants in this forced march, they had written letters to different people in charge of different forts. and mentions different camps they stopped at, and they are stating they are good government Indians following their wishes. And that they are speaking in behalf of others because of the language. They are speaking of constant thefts from the whites of horses They went and found two of them and removed the harness and took them back. These records are housed at Ft Worth, national archives. These Lotts were very fortunate we can rule out opportunists because there would not have been enough gold, silver or land to pay for the body count on this trip. If they had been white they could have just walked away. These people of the five southern tribes are what we call our honor roll, and these Lotts in Creek Territory married only the most upstanding family names of that nation, but as you I approach this with a lot of questions. And I never enter any thing in my records pertaining to Indian unless I have found it to be true without question. And out of these 22 names the BIA, The Dept of Interior and Creek Nation claim these Lotts to be Indian without question. And there are many names on Creek Early Settler Roles that I have not been able to account for later. They are Lotts who fought in Indian Units during the Civil War detached to the Kansas Infantry. So we will see where it all leads, but I can tell you this when I was a young boy I lived with my Granmother Missouri while my dad was overseas , family members of the Lotts and Watts and Bird Family came to visit her and I recognize them to be Indian the same as us. I remember the women in the kitchen talking in language, although I am not sure if they Birds were mixed blood or whites. This is all I can tell you for now, there seems to be quite some information on Lott involment with the Seminole in the territorial papers of the United States, washington Cty.

Joe

Date: 1/8/99 11:22:35 AM Central Standard Time

From: BandB4951

To: JBarron933

CC: sumik@cwix.com

Hello, John,

First of all, let me begin by saying, the information I am sending is still speculative, much points to this but there is nothing confirming this lineage at this time.

I am forwarding the information on the LIGHTFOOT family website as it descends from REVEREND RICHARD LIGHTFOOT that I sent to Sue Miklas last evening. Since she is not able to click on to the 'AOL blue links' I sent her the address for the site in the body of the email that I am forwarding and now I am sending you the link

Family Tree Maker's Genealogy Site: User Home...Reverend Richard Lightfoot, England.

Now, as I said, this is all still on a speculative level to the extent that I have found mentioned, several times now, by other people, that Martha Jane's full name is MARTHA JANE DORSEY LIGHTFOOT, born abt. 1775 (?), who married ABSALOM LOTT and that Martha Jane's father is PHILLIP LIGHTFOOT of Virginia. Her time of birth would prevent her being the child of many of the PHILLIP LIGHTFOOTs in the LIGHTFOOT family of England. While some people wind up spelling the PHILLIP/PHILIP LIGHTFOOT's differently from time to time...apparently, most of them were not spelled with two LL's and, apparently, her father's was, according to various things I have read,... which is the spelling for the line of PHILLIP from Rev. Richard to John1 to PHILLIP1 to PHILLIP2 to PHILLIP3 and a possible 4. There is no listing for our Martha Jane on this site. But there are other people on this list that are not on others and vice versa, including the name of one of the proven daughters of Henry CORBIN and Alice ELTONSHEAD, named ALICE CORBIN, who married the first PHILLIP LIGHTFOOT. I have seen many lists that did not include her nor several other sisters. There are several Martha's in the information as well as the constant reappearing of the names Elizabeth, Frances, Francis and Letitia (I believe)....which is not Lucretia, obviously, but a similarity and, certainly, all familiar names of this era but most of these are used over and over again throughout the generations with Elizabeth Phillips being the wife of John Lightfoot, the son of Richard that they all descend from.

When you mix in the DORSEY family that is connected to the LIGHTFOOT and CORBIN and LEE families you come up with the same names including the LUCRETIA and the DORSEY's were in Virginia before moving to Maryland and they came over from England around the same time.

I have been coming across other information while searching for my mother's SLAUGHTER family connections back beyond my great grandfather, HUDSON/HUTSON HARRIS SLAUGHTER who appears to have descended from the same ancestors as the GOODRICH LIGHTFOOT group. I am still trying to track down all of that as well. This link that I am sending is one of the fuller sites of information that I have found but does not have some information that I have seen at other sites....but it is one of the most substantial ones, so far. I have been in touch with Mike Shaver and Tom Lightfoot and some other Lightfoot and Slaughter family researchers and have been getting in some other information that I am not sending at this time as they do not provide anything directly pertaining to Martha Jane....and thought I would wait until I see if there is a connection confirmation before I sent them on....just to avoid bombarding you or Sue....but let me know if you want those at any other time before that. I have been working on all my different lines at once going back and forth....so, I need to go back over to my LIGHTFOOT areas in my files and see if there's anything else or any other 'Favorite Places' saved websites to send you at this moment...well, later, in another email. I'll keep working and keep you all posted.

Bellinda Myrick Barnett

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Forwarded Message:

Subj: LIGHTFOOT

Date: 1/8/99 1:07:25 AM Central Standard Time

From: BandB4951

To: sumik@cwix.com

Dear Sue,

Hello, I have been in touch with Mike Shaver, Tom Lightfoot and several other family researchers who also feel that it is very likely that Martha Jane Dorsey Lightfoot is descended from Reverend Richard Lightfoot and his wife Jane Jones through their son, John and his son, Phillip, and his son, Phillip, and his son, Phillip. (There is a possibility that there could another Phillip in there....but it seems that the 3rd Phillip is the most likely one. Also, he was married to a Susannah ??....and there are two or three Susannah Dorsey's filtering through the Dorsey group....one of whom married Dorsey.....nothing concrete there on her.....just possibilities.) Mike Shaver has an extensive Descendants of Richard Lightfoot webpage at the following:

http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/s/h/a/Michael-P-Shaver/GENE1-0001.html

But it all points right here from so many different lines and people that I have been speaking to. I believe that I wrote you about the Dorsey family in the mid-1700's that I had located in Maryland. They were originally out of England into Virginia and then moving over to Maryland. Every indication so far is that they are cousins to this Lightfoot line as they show up over and over again in the same vicinity of family trees just like the Lees of Virginia. Nicholas Dorsey had daughters, Martha, Lucretia and Elizabeth, I believe, with Frances and Francis showing up on their tree as well. Now, of course, these are common names of that time but these are definitely 'family' names with the rate of consistency that they show up on these different lines. And, on this line of Lightfoot that I am sending you information on the names of Martha, Jane, Elizabeth and Francis/Frances show up over and over and over again. There are many Phillips descended from many siblings starting with the children of Reverend Richard and Jane Jones Lightfoot's son John and his wife, Elizabeth Phillips. There are some other interesting aspects along the way as well but my brain is too tired at this moment to remember. Also, one interesting thing, personally, for me is that it appears at the moment that my grandfather, Louis Slaughter's family from his father, Hudson/Hutson Harris Slaughter is descended from the same Slaughter family that marries into the Lightfoot Slaughter branch of the Lightfoot's which descend from John Lightfoot, son of John and grandson of Richard. He was the brother of the first Phillip Lightfoot on this list, whom I believe is our ancestor. Of course, I am still digging and digging.......for that 'nail.' There are other things....but I have just been going over them and over them and over them before sharing because I wanted to get it down as solidly as possible first. OH! and one very interesting small tidbit that I just came across the other day is that there is apparently relatively substantive information on Capt. John Lightfoot having been married to a Cherokee woman and having children. I found some information on that and it refers to a 'Cherokee Planters' book....I'll get back to that info and send it over to you. Now, since he is the first of the line that lead to the Goodrich Lightfoots....I don't know if this would be the mother of that group or if this was, indeed, another wife. Capt. Lightfoot died in Surinam.....(which, coincidentally, I have been to.) Anyway....he is not in our direct line being brother to 'our' Phillip, the first one, but there could be a connection to our Indian information.....possibly. So, we'll see where it all goes. But, I just wanted you to have this right now. I'll send you more as I get a handle on it. I hope everything is going well with you. And I hope you had a lovely Christmas. I am still trying to recover from flu bug and infection I got from wisdom tooth I had pulled before New Year's Eve....really threw me off a bit. God Bless. Talk to you soon.

Date: 1/8/99 2:04:50 PM Central Standard Time

From: bellmer@narrows.com (Merle Bellmer)

To: JBarron933@aol.com

John, I don't know if this is worth putting out for the whole list or not. You decide.

I read the message about the Creek Nation in OK Territory and the names of JOHN WILLIAM LOTT and BENJAMIN LOTT. My great grandfather was named JOHN WILLIAM LOTT, and his brother was BENJAMIN J. LOTT, and they DID come to TX. However, they were not even born by 1828, much less come to TX then. I realize these are fairly common names, but when associated together and in regards to TX, they become slightly less common.

The JOHN WILLIAM LOTT, that I know was b. March 14, 1845, Carrollton, Carroll Co. MS. He was on the 1850, '60 and '70 censuses in Carroll Co. MS. (Head of household in 1870, child in previous censuses.) He died Mar. 8, 1900, Rains Co. TX, after having lived in Denton Co. for the 1880 census. Judging from the states of birth of his children, he came to TX between 1872 and 1875.

Benjamin was b. Jan. 24, 1833. Benjamin was b. in Pickens Co. AL (on the way from SC to Carroll Co. MS). He was on the 1850, '60, and '70 censuses in Carroll Co. MS. (Child on the 1850 census and head of household by 1860.) He died Feb. 26, 1879, Lewisville, Denton Co. TX. Judging by the states of birth of his children, he came to TX between 1873 and 1875. It seems likely that the two brothers brought their families to TX at the same time.

I don't know if Joe is suggesting that the John William and Benjamin Lott that he referred to were the same as these two, if so, it would be impossible.

Thanks, Dot

Date: 1/8/99 7:52:36 PM Central Standard Time

From: STCASEY01@worldnet.att.net (Sandra T. Casey)

To: JBarron933@aol.com

Very interesting message that you forwarded. Is Joe an Indian, too? Sounds like the Lott boys must have run into the horse-rustling McClung boys. (This guy is interesting because my grandfather said there was no point in telling the family the name of the tribe because it was one with an unfamiliar name. As I've said before, he conveniently forgot his own grandmother's maiden name {LOTT}, and where she was born when he filled out Beulah McClung Evans' death certificate.)

Cuz, Sandra

Date: 1/8/99 9:37:25 PM Central Standard Time

From: BandB4951

To: sumik@cwix.com, JBarron933

Here is more I received on possible LIGHTFOOT family line.....

Bellinda

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Forwarded Message:

Subj: Re: PHILLIP LIGHTFOOT

Date: 12/29/98 3:59:37 AM Central Standard Time

From: kytroutman@usa.net (MDT)

Reply-to: kytroutman@usa.net (MDT)

To: BandB4951@aol.com

The name sounds familiar, yet, I can't find her, does any of this look familiar to you?

1. Phillip Lightfoot b. ABT 0 ___ 1643, Middlesex, England,1 (son of Hon. John Lightfoot I and Elizabeth Phillips) m. 28 Sep 1679, in VA,2 Alice Corbin, b. 0 ___ 1655,1 (daughter of Henry Corbin and Alice Eltonhead). Phillip died 0 ___ 1710, Gloucester, VA.1 The Honorable Philip Lightfoot came to the colony of VA before 1670 from England. He served as a Lieutenant Colonel and Justice of Gloucester County, 1680; Justice of James City County 1694-1699; Collector of Customs for Upper James River and Surveyor General. He registered his will in 1708 and died in 1710. His tomb is without date and bears arms "Lightfoot Impaling Corbin". (The coat of arms of both the Lightfoot and Corbin Families are displayed side by side.) Alice: Her sister Letitia married Richard Lee about 1674. They are the ancestors of Richard Henry Lee who introduced in Congress the resolution for American Independence and his brother Francis Lightfoot Lee, a signer of the Declaration of Independence.

Children:

+ 2. i Francis Lightfoot b. 0 ___ 1687.

+ 3. ii Phillip Lightfoot b. 0 ___ 1689.

Second Generation

2. Francis Lightfoot (1.Phillip1) b. 0 ___ 1687, James City Co., VA,1 m. ABT 0 ___ 1720,1 Elizabeth, b. 0 ___ 1693, VA,1 d. 31 Dec 1727.3 Francis died 7 Jan 1727.3

Children:

4. i Francis Lightfoot b. 0 ___ 1722,1 d. 14 May 1730.3

5. ii Elizabeth Lightfoot b. 0 ___ 1725,1 m. 0 ___ 1737,4 Beverly Randolph, (son of William Randolph and Elizabeth Beverly).

3. Phillip Lightfoot (1.Phillip1) b. 0 ___ 1689,3 m. 0 ___ 1720,1 Mary Armistead Burwell, (daughter of William Armistead and Ann Lee). Phillip died 30 May 1748, Sandy Point, Charles City Co., VA.3

(From Colonial Families of the Southern States of America, A History and Genealogy of Colonial Families who settled in the Colonies Prior to the Revolution, by Stella Pickett Hardy, Second Edith, Baltimore, Southern Book Co., 1958) The Honorable Phillip Lightfoot "of Sandy Point", Charles City Co., VA was also known as "The Merchant Prince". He owned large estates in York, Surrey, Charles City Brunswick, Goochland, New Kent and Hanover Counties; houses, storehouses, and lots on Yorktown, Williamsburg, Blandford; slaves, chariots, horses, cattle, etc... and amassed the immense Lightfoot fortune. He served as Clerk of York County, 1707-1733; Agent for Public Storehouses, 1715; King's Council, 1733; and was a liberal supporter of the Established Church. He left to the Yorktown Church a flagon and a chalice with arms engraved thereon and 40 pounds of goods to be given to the poor. He also left to William and Mary College, 500 pounds for the education of two young men for the ministry of the Church of England. He married Mary Armistead Burwell, who was the widow of the Honorable James Burwell.

"I give unto the Parish of York-Hampton the sum of fifty Pounds Current money to be laid out in the purchase of a handsome Flagged and Challace with my arms engraved thereon for the use of York church, and the sum of forty pounds current in Goods to be paid by my Executors into the hands of William Nelson, Esq., and son William Lightfoot, to be by them distributed amongst the poor of York-Hampton Parish. I give unto Elizabeth Burwell, the daughter of N. Burwell, deceased, three hundred Pounds to be paid her when she shall arrive at the age of twenty-one or marry with the approbation of her grandmother Lightfoot; but in case she dies before she is entitled, then I will and direct it go with the residue of my estate, the legacy being void. I give to the College of William and Mary the sum of five hundred Pounds Current, for a foundation for two poor scholars forever, to be brought up to the ministry of the Church of England or such other public employment as shall be most suitable to their capacities, which sum I desire my executors to pay to the President and Masters of the College within twelve months after my decease, to be laid out for that purpose, and its my will and desire that my son William Lightfoot have the nomination and preference of the first six scholars."

Mary: Widow of Hon. James Burwell

The will of Mrs. "Mary Lightfoot, of the Town and County of York, widow," was dated 9 Nov., 1771, and has two codicils dated respectively, 12 May, 1773, and 12 May, 1775. The whole was proved 21st Aug., 1775, and William Allen, Esq., one of the executors, acknowledged bond security, Joseph Hornsby, for obtaining probate. She mentions her daughter-in-law, Mildred Lightfoot; grandson, James Burwell; Anne Burwell, daughter of my grandson James; granddaughter Elizabeth Hewitt, wife of Rev. Richard Hewitt; daughter-in-law, Anne Lightfoot; granddaughters, Mary Allen, and Mildred Coles, Elizabeth Coles, Anne Lightfoot; sons, William Lightfoot, deceased, and Armistead Lightfoot, deceased; Mary, daughter of my son Armistead Lightfoot, deceased, and the legacy given her, if she should die before 21 to be equally divided between the surviving daughters of son William Lightfoot, deceased; grandsons. William Lightfoot and Philip Lightfoot; legacy of 20 £ to the poor people in the town of York; 20 £ each to Lewis Burwell of Kingsmill, William Allen of Surry, and the Rev. Richard Hewitt, whom she appoints executors; and by the last codicil, Fielding Lewis, Esq. Witnesses to the last codicil, David Jameson, David Jameson, Jr., William Barrow. (York records.). "Died, Mrs. Mary Lightfoot at York, relict of the late Hon Philip Lightfoot, Esq., one of his Majesty's council of this colony, in the 79th year of her age. Her corpse passed through town this morning to be deposited in the family vault at Sandy Point." (Va. Gazette, June 30, 1775).

Children:

+ 6. i William Lightfoot b. 0 ___ 1722.

7. ii John Lightfoot b. 0 ___ 1725,1 m. Mary "Molly" Clark, (daughter of James Clack and Mary). John died BEF 0 ___ 1769.3 Will dated 30 April 1751. pr. Nov. 6, 1751 Mary: Remarried to Robert Ruffin, had children by 2nd husband

+ 8. iii Phillip Lightfoot b. 0 ___ 1728.

+ 9. iv Armisted Lightfoot b. 0 ___ 1730.

Third Generation

6. William Lightfoot (3.Phillip2, 1.Phillip1) b. 0 ___ 1722,2 m.2 Mildred Howell. William died BEF 0 ___ 1771.2 Known as Honorable William Lightfoot of Teddington, served as High Sheriff of York Co., 1746.

Children:

10. i Francis Lightfoot b. 14 May 1747, Tedington,Sandy Point, VA,5 d. 24 Mar 1748.5

+ 11. ii William Lightfoot b. 0 ___ 1750.

+ 12. iii Phillip Lightfoot b. 0 ___ 1752.

13. iv Mary Lightfoot b. ABT 0 ___ 1755,1 m.2 William Allen, b. Surrey Co., VA.1 Mary died BEF 0 ___ 1789.2 William: Made his will Sept. 4, 1789, probated Sept. 24, 1793. Perhaps wealthiest man in his county of Surry. His will mentions children William, Patsy, Anne Armistead, John, Martha Bland; one grandson, William Allen Harrison; Miss Garrett to continue as tutoress & to be paid as heretofore 20 guineas per annum;

14. v Mildred Lightfoot b. ABT 0 ___ 1758,1 m.2 Walter Coles, b. Halifax Co., VA.1

+ 15. vi Elizabeth Lightfoot.

8. Phillip Lightfoot (3.Phillip2, 1.Phillip1) b. 0 ___ 1728,1 m.3 Susannah. Phillip died BEF 0 ___ 1747.3

Children:

16. i Francis Lightfoot b. CIR 0 ___ 1745,6 d. BEF 0 ___ 1773.3

9. Armisted Lightfoot (3.Phillip2, 1.Phillip1) b. 0 ___ 1730, Yorktown, VA,6 m. in Yorktown, VA,1 Ann "Nancy" Burwell, (daughter of Hon. Lewis Burwell and Mary Willis). Armisted died 19 Sep 1771, Yorktown, VA.3 Ann: Remarried in 1774 to Charles Grymes of Gloucester.

Children:

17. i Mary Lightfoot m.6 John Taylor Griffin. Thomas Nelson was her guardian in 1773.After Armistead died, she remarried to Hon. Charles Grymes of Glouchester, VA in 1774

Fourth Generation

11. William Lightfoot (6.William3, 3.Phillip2, 1.Phillip1) b. 0 ___ 1750,2 m. (1)2 Anne Cocke, m. (2) Anne Clopton Ellyson. William died 0 ___ 1809.2 Like his father, he was also known as William of Teddington, made his will April 27, 1809 and it was probated Aug. 17, 1809. See source, source indicates 2nd wife of Anne Clopton Ellyson who was the mother of the Robert Armistead and Sarah. Says she later married John Colgin. He imported many thoroughbred horses. Made will 27 Apr. 1809 and was probated 17 Aug. 1809

Children by Anne Cocke:

+ 18. i William Howell Lightfoot b. 0 ___ 1779.

+ 19. ii Francis Lightfoot b. 0 ___ 1780.

20. iii Phillip John Lightfoot m.2 Mary Ann Vaughn. Phillip died 0___ 1819.2 Made his will June 16, 1819, probated July 15, 1819

21. iv Mary Elizabeth Bolling Lightfoot m.2 George Blakely.

22. v Anne Cocke Lightfoot m.2 William Lewis.

Children by Anne Clopton Ellyson:

23. vi Robert Armistead Lightfoot.

24. vii Sarah Lightfoot.

12. Phillip Lightfoot (6.William3, 3.Phillip2, 1.Phillip1) b. 0 ___ 1752, Yorktown, VA,2 m.2 Mary Warner Lewis, (daughter of Charles Lewis and Lucy Taliaferro). Phillip died 0 ___ 1786, Cedar Creek, Carolina Co., VA.2 Served with distinction as a Lietenant in the Revolutionary War in Harrison's Artillery and received two land grants for his service. Mary: She was noted for her great beauty and grace. She 2nd married Dr. John Bankheand, nephew of President Monroe.

Children:

+ 25. i Phillip Lightfoot b. 24 Sep 1784.

15. Elizabeth Lightfoot (6.William3, 3.Phillip2, 1.Phillip1) m. 1 Apr 1771,5 Isaac Coles, b. 25 Feb 1747, Richmond, Henrico Co., VA,5 (son of John Coles and Mary Winston). Isaac: He married 2nd Catherine Thompson 2 Jan. 1790.

Isaac Coles was Colonel of his County, a member of the First Congress of the United States, lived as an agriculturist, first in Halifax and then in Pittsylvania, in which county he died 2 June 1813. Isaac Coles of Pittsylvania County, deceased; WILL, sons, John and Jacob T. Coles and Nancy, his wife; Thomas Woodring; Land known as Lightfoot's Meadows.

Gen. Washington's Diary - Sunday 5th 1791, Left the Old Town about 4 o'clock am, breakfasted at one Pridie's after crossing Banister River 1 ½ miles about 11 miles from ____ it came to Staunton River about 12, where meeting Col. Isaac Coles (formerly a member of Congress from this District) who pressing me to it, I went to his home about 1 mile off to dine and to halt a day for the refreshment of myself and horses, leaving my servants and them at one of the usually indifferent taverns at the Ferry that they might be no trouble or be inconvenient to a Private Family.

Children:

26. i John Coles b. 20 Oct 1772,5 d. 27 Jul 1781.5

27. ii Isaac Coles b. 16 Dec 1777,5 m. 7 Feb 1811,5 Lightfoot Carrington. Isaac died 28 Sep 1820.5

28. iii Lightfoot Coles b. 12 Jun 1780,5 d. 4 Dec 1781.5 LFA lists this person as the daughter?

Fifth Generation

18. William Howell Lightfoot (11.William4, 6.William3, 3.Phillip2, 1.Phillip1) b. 0 ___ 1779,2 m.2 Sarah Short Steward. William died 0 Jun 1810.3 Sarah: She remarried to John Minge of Charles City Co., VA. John Minge's first wife was youngest daughter of Benjamin Harrison, signer and sister of Wm. H. Harrison.

Children:

29. i William Lightfoot b. 0 ___ 1806,2 d. 27 Oct 1831.3

19. Francis Lightfoot (11.William4, 6.William3, 3.Phillip2, 1.Phillip1) b. 0 ___ 1780, Tedington,Sandy Point, VA,5 m.5 Elizabeth Virginia Nicholas, d. 0 Oct 1814.5 Francis died 3 Nov 1813.5

Children:

30. i William Allen Lightfoot b. 8 Apr 1806, Tedington,Sandy Point, VA,5 m.5 Caroline Matilda Guerrant. William died 22 Sep 1881.5 His mother died when he was very young, an uncle took him to Avonia, in Buckingham Co., VA. His father died earlier. He lived on his own estate of several hundred acres near the Slate River in VA. When he became ill, he & his wife were taken to the home of his youngest son, James Anderson Lightfoot. He died at night and his wife died the next morning. She was well, out in the yard picking flowers, when told her husband died, the doctor said she died of a broken heart.

31. ii John Francis Lightfoot b. 28 Jul 1809, Tedington,Sandy Point, VA,5 occupation Doctor.5

32. iii Virginia Carter Nicholas Lightfoot b. 8 May 1811, Tedington,Sandy Point, VA.5

33. iv Carter Lightfoot b. Tedington,Sandy Point, VA.5

25. Phillip Lightfoot (12.Phillip4, 6.William3, 3.Phillip2, 1.Phillip1) b.

24 Sep 1784, Port Royal, Carolina Co., VA,3 m. ABT 0 ___ 1805,1 Sarah Sevin Bernard, (daughter of William Bernard and Fanny Hopkins). Phillip died 22 Jul 1865.3 He took a prominent and active part in public affairs, and was a Confederate Patriot.

Children:

34. i Dr. Phillip Lewis Lightfoot b. ABT 0 ___ 1806, Port Royal, Carolina Co., VA,1 m. (1)2 Mary Virginia Smith, b. 6 Feb 1818,1 (daughter of George Smith and Delia) d. 17 Mar 1855,6 m. (2)2 Anna Isabelle Drummond, b. 3 Oct 1827, Brunswick Co., VA,1 (daughter of Grieve Drummond and Elizabeth Stone) d. 30 Aug 1861, Eutaw, Green Co., AL.1 Dr. died Eutaw, Green Co., AL,1 buried: Oak Hill Cemetery.6

35. ii William Bernard Lightfoot b. 16 Dec 1811, Port Royal, Carolina Co., VA,3 m. (1)2 Roberta Beverly, m. (2) 0 ___ 1835, in Eutaw, Green Co., AL,1 Sarah Bee Ross, b. Mobile, AL.1 William died 5 Feb 1870, Mobile, AL.3 Graduate of University of Va, large cotton planter, had a fine estates with many slaves and lived the life of a southern gentleman previous to the Civil War. Roberta: She died about 6 months after their marriage. Sarah: Also listed as children are, Sarah Bernard Lightfoot m. Robert Tarleton, Nora Meade Lightfoot m. William Reynolds, and Helen Virginia Lightfoot (unmarried).

36. iii John Bernard Lightfoot b. 0 ___ 1813,1 m.2 Harriet Field.

37. iv Edgar Vivien Lightfoot b. 0 ___ 1815.1

38. v Fannie Bernard Lightfoot m.2 Capt. Robert Gilchrist Robb. Capt.: Served as Captain in US and later Confederate Navy.

39. vi Ellen Bankhead Lightfoot m.2 Dr. Carter Wormley.

40. vii Mary Lewis Lightfoot m.2 Mr. Vail. Mary died England.3

41. viii Rosalie Virginia Lightfoot m. Hugh Mason.

1 Mike Shaver, email received Jan. 1998

2 From Colonial Families of the Southern States of America, A History and Genealogy of Colonial Families who Settled Prior to the Revolution, by Stella Pickett Hardy, Baltimore Southern Book Co., 1958

3 William and Mary Quarterly, Historical Magazine, Vol. III, 1894-1895. reprinted 1966

4 Lightfoot Assoc., Vol. 4, April-May-June 1981, Number 2

5 Lightfoot Family Assoc. Vol. II, Oct. 15, 1979, No. 4

6 Lightfoot Family Assoc. Vol. II, Apr. 15, 1979, No. 2&3

-----Original Message-----

From: BandB4951@aol.com <BandB4951@aol.com>

To: kytroutman@usa.net <kytroutman@usa.net>

Date: Tuesday, December 29, 1998 10:09 AM

Subject: PHILLIP LIGHTFOOT

Dear Maria,

Hello. First of all, thank you for providing your website for the use of others researching their family history. I am trying to find out more information of my gggg grandmother MARTHA JANE DORSEY LIGHTFOOT's ancestry. My understanding is that she descended from PHILLIP LIGHTFOOT (VA) and MARY ??, which I believe to be MARY ARMISTEAD, but not certain of, son of PHILLIP and ALICE CORBIN, but not certain of, and PHILLIP the son of JOHN, the son of RICHARD LIGHTFOOT (England.) MARTHA JANE DORSEY LIGHTFOOT (NC and Old Spanish Florida) married ABSALOM LOTT (NC & Old Span. Fla.) son of JOHN LOTT (Va and England) and ELIZABETH JOYNER (VA, father JOHN JOYNER and mother ELIZABETH BROWN, of Dorset, England) and her daughter, my ggg grandmother, FRANCES LUCRETIA LOTT (NC to MS to LA) married WILLIAM HATTEN, and their son, LAWRENCE HATTEN and wife FRANCES GRISHAM had their son, CICERO HATTEN (LA) who married ETHEL ROSALIE HATTEN WOMACK (widow of JOSEPH WOMACK) and she married LOUIS SLAUGHTER (son of HUDSON/HUTSON HARRIS SLAUGHTER of North Carolina to Louisian) and their daughter, my mother, LA VERNE SLAUGHTER (LA) married BILL MYRICK (LA to MS). If you have any information which could help me...I would be most grateful. In advance I thank you very much.

Sincerely, Bellinda Myrick Barnett

Date: 1/9/99 6:08:11 AM Central Standard Time

From: stoii@juno.com (shirley l lindeen)

To: JBarron933@aol.com

friend John all american Indian records can be viewed at any National Archives,also I would like to tell the lotts when asking for info. if they call the Nations do not refer to Indians as kings or princess because there is no such thing, A chiefs family had no standing in a nation, and it is in bad form. Would like to say on the Lightfoot name is not a Indian name but became one in NC. and S>C> it goingto be the wifes name that will have the Indian name .

Joe Davis

Date: 1/9/99 11:19:22 AM Central Standard Time

From: dflott@telepak.net (Marce Lott)

To: JBarron933@aol.com

john,

With all this talk about indian blood, I decided to get a copy of the Treat of Dancing Rabbit Creek. It is enclosed for your info. I find no one I can definite attach to the Lott name. There's no ... Bogue ... anything in any of the indian names.

Oh, I also found some more Robert A. Lott info from FL records. Will dig them out again this weekend and pass them along.

Has Shirley passed along the 22 Lott names she has found in indian records? Would be interested to see them. The John William and Benjamin Lott names are of interest for several reasons.

Dan

Date: 1/9/99 9:24:44 PM Central Standard Time

From: stoii@juno.com (shirley l lindeen)

To: JBarron933@aol.com

John, not be making my self clear or people are not reading the information correct. The John and Benjamin Lott I am reffering to did not come from Ms. I beleive I made my self clear on that issue. The Texas Lotts mentioned, was in a memorandum along with Thomas Watts who died in Smith Cty Texas of a snake bite it did not mention the year they went to Texas, and it told of Arthur Lott and as I said thi document is hard to read but we can make out that one the Lotts brother was killed and someones wife drowned while crossing the river, but you can not make out which one. Now the Lotts, lets define them as Creek Lotts so we can keep them seperated These Lotts coming from Georgia. the Creeks were not removed from Ms and people should realize that. The first letter written June 3rd 1828 from Indian Camp near Ft. Bainridge Creek Station, 2^nd letter July 18th 1828 these letters are signed by Benjham, John William Lott along with David Pieogen Th Lock Tuu Cheeh Artis, Harjo, Co Be Ok Olo, Potoch, Margo Thlatch, Le Harjo and many others. They went to Arkansas, the relationship between ark and Smith Cty Texas, Ark is where the first Indians went during this period of time and thru Texas where Smith Cty was, I believe before Smith Cty became that name is was called an Indian name and I believe if my memory serves me right Smith Cty became a county around 1846. I know I said before this was a Spanish holding but I was mistaken this was a French holding. In these areas of Ark & Texas many Indian researchers go right to theses places for mixed blood for genealogy work. Now pertaining to the two Creek Lotts, how they got from Ark into Okla, in these areas the Indians were again removed 1835 in these particular areas, These two particular Lotts ended up in Big Springs. I have a list of these early Lotts women and children and they are the most common Lott names. I have only seen two or three first names in language rest are english names. As I said before anyone can go to the National Archives, all Indian Records are housed there. Enrollment records of different periods of time and each Nations Agency Records are there to be viewed and so far from researching all five tribes of the south, only one holds enrollments for the family name Lott, there are no Lotts in any other tribal enrollments. There are no Lotts on any Treaty of the Five Civilized Tribes. If one has lets say an Indian Name it will not take the place of the English speaking name\, and it would only describe this particular individual, obviously in theses periods there were no names for Tom Dick and Harry,, A pronoun would be substituted to try and describe the name.

Joe

Date: 1/9/99 9:47:04 PM Central Standard Time

From: BandB4951

To: JBarron933

I don't know, John. I have to take a closer look at that. I wondered about that (ref: PATSY) as well...and I think I looked at it closer....can't remember if I left that open to come back to or if I thought that it was the wrong timeline but I'm going back to it...and I hope I have more to add to that. Also...I came up with another Phillip further down from that one that we thought looked possible due to the timeline...but I think he is one that one of my Lightfoot people told me didn't have children and another one that never married but was in the right timeline. It keeps coming back to this line and, probably, Phillip (3) or (4)....anyway.....still pursuing this diligently and hope to turn up more soon. I have contacted some of the Corbin researchers that are from the family that Phillip 1's wife is from Alice CORBIN, daughter of Henry CORBIN and Alice Eltonshead, families, also, out of England and the CORBIN family descends from the SPENCER, d' SPENCER family.

Just working on the correct placement of all of it still. I'll get back with you later.

Bellinda

Date: 1/9/99 9:57:46 PM Central Standard Time

From: BandB4951

To: JBarron933, sumik@cwix.com

FYI......I believe I mentioned in the other info....maybe not......there is a CAPT. JOHN LIGHTFOOT, the brother of the original COLONEL PHILLIP LIGHTFOOT (1) out of England into Virginia, sons of JOHN LIGHTFOOT and ELIZABETH PHILLIPS that was an adventurer and a sea captain. Captain John LIGHTFOOT died in Surinam (where, strangely enough, I have visited) and is, apparently, a rather elusive figure in LIGHTFOOT history, finding out precisely what all has happened to him according to one of the main LIGHTFOOT family researchers. The GOODRICH LIGHTFOOT family group as it links up with my SLAUGHTER line, I believe, is descended from Capt. John. In pursuance of all of my information the other day I came across information about a CAPTAIN JOHN LIGHTFOOT that had married a CHEROKEE wife and had children. I am currently trying to track down information on that further. Apparently, there are references to him in a book about and/or called 'CHEROKEE PLANTERS.' I am currently trying to track back to this information for the LIGHTFOOT family researchers. When I get back to it I will send it over to you as well. So, indeed, there would be some Indian family members with the names of LIGHTFOOT. I, also, think it was on the CREEK rolls that I found mention of LIGHTFOOT names....I know I saw LOTT names. Still looking there as well. But.....one of the most important things that I have been told to remember is that if the family....all or in part....did not go on the Trail of Tears that they would not be listed on the rolls and that makes it even harder for them to found and identified. I would think that the possibilities of this being the case would be even greater for this particular group of LIGHTFOOT and LOTT family members since they were from affluence, apparently, across the board from all that I can ascertain at this time. I'll let you know when and if I find anything more definitive than this.

Bellinda

Date: 1/9/99

To: dflott@telepak.net

Thanks Dan. I made a link to one list of signers of the Treaty of Dancing R and I'll see if your is the same. I couldn't find anyone in it either. Frankly, it seems absurd to me that the Lotts of Marion/Covington Co. would be mixed with Indians. These people were state legislators, judges, county commissioners, etc. Gone With the Wind types. Hardly the sort, but who knows. There has to be something to it, however, since every Lott/Watts descendant that I have run across has heard about some sort of "Indian Connection." Just wish we could come up with it.

Don't think I have a list of the Lotts on the Indian rolls, but I'll have to check.

John

Date: 1/10/99 3:21:10 AM Central Standard Time

From: BandB4951

To: sumik@cwix.com, JBarron933, joe@lottfamily.com

Hi,

I'm sending over a 'blue link' to pop over to Maria Troutman's LIGHTFOOT and other families genealogy website. Genealogy Data you can use the address as follows:

http://pweb.interquest.de/~troutman/dat8.htm

If you will scroll down on the page one of the first areas of information that you will see that, speculatively, applies to our MARTHA JANE DORSEY LIGHTFOOT is Elizabeth PHILLIPS and the children that she had with her husband, John LIGHTFOOT....however, something interesting, if you will scroll down just a little further to Jane JONES who married Reverend Richard LIGHTFOOT, there children include a MARTHA LIGHTFOOT, born: abt. 1602, prob. @ Stoke Bruion, England, she is the sister of JOHN LIGHTFOOT, whom I and others are deducing is our ancestor, father of PHILLIP (1.) Nothing conclusiver, most certainly, just another point to note. This website does not offer an extensive look into our PHILLIP LIGHTFOOT line but a little to think about. Pardon me if this is one of the things that I have already sent. I'm working pretty quickly on some things here and I didn't think I had sent this yet. I will continue sending more as I 'unearth' it from files I've been saving and bookmarked locations.

Bellinda

Date: 1/10/99 5:09:46 AM Central Standard Time

From: BandB4951

To: BandB4951, sumik@cwix.com, JBarron933

To: joe@lottfamily.com

CORBIN FAMILY If Martha Jane Dorsey Lightfoot descends from the Phillip Lightfoot that it seems she does then she would be descended from Alice Corbin, daughter of Henry Corbin and Alice Eltonshead in this Corbin Family webpage. Address is as follows:

htt://pages.prodigy.com/MD/gamma/corbin.html

Bellinda Myrick Barnett

Date: 1/11/99 3:54:23 AM Central Standard Time

From: BandB4951

To: light123@telepath.com

CC: JBarron933, joe@lottfamily.com, sumik@cwix.com

Hi, Tom,

First of all, I would like to mention that I am forwarding this information to some of my LOTT family researchers in our pursuit of some other information regarding some possible Indian descent for some LOTT family members that has, also, been hard to find.

In response to your interest in acquiring more information on precisely whatever did happen to the elusive CAPTAIN JOHN LIGHTFOOT... when I mentioned to you that I had seen some type of information regarding his having married a CHEROKEE woman and their having had children...I am now writing you. I finally found where it was that I saw the information about Captain John LIGHTFOOT. It took me the longest time to find it. I was thinking I had seen it out on a personal webpage. But instead, it is in a posting over on Gen Forum on the LIGHTFOOT pages. The information is in a posting of September 03, 1998 at 00:45:02 by Phyllis STOVALL under the heading RE: PHILIP LIGHTFOOT of Culpeper Co, VA. The message reads:

<CAPT. JOHN LIGHTFOOT also had a Cherokee wife and had a number of children by her. Those who believe they are related to this line should research Cherokee books by MOONEY and TYNER.>

This posting was in reference to a posting by L.W. CATES on August 26, 1998. And Phyllis STOVALL posted a follow up on September 12, 1998 at 21:40:46 titled Re: PHILIP LIGHTFOOT of Culpeper Co, VA

The message reads:

<I have finally found the correct reference for CAPT. JONN LIGHTFOOT. Check CHEROKEE PLANTERS IN GEORGIA by DON L. SHADBURN.>

That is all I have on the matter at this time, Tom. But I will continue to keep my eyes open and I will let you know of any and all information that I might find regarding the dear Captain. Even though he would not be in my direct line of descendancy to my Martha Jane Dorsey LIGHTFOOT, if it all proves correct,....I feel a special 'kindredship' to him already as he died in SURINAM, which is a place I visited some years ago. It was a wonderful adventuresome trip for me....especially when I crossed over pirhana infested waters by canoe!....it must have been incredibly even more so for him around 1700. When I was there we visited Amer-Indian villages over in French Guyana, I believe, and in SURINAM we visited what are called 'BUSH NEGRO' (Nay-gro) Villages where the villages were exactly like the ones the Africans who escaped off the slaveships offshore of SURINAM created. Apparently, it was the main place that they pulled into port on their way from Africa to America transporting slaves. I think it was a Dutch Colony at that time, if I have my time frame correct. So, I am especially interested in finding out whatever I can as well on his other adventures if possible. If you have any idea as to where I could acquire the book that Phyllis STOVALL speaks of would you please let me know as I would be most interested in having a copy? So far, I am not pulling up anything on it on the Internet but I haven't tried all resources yet. Let me know if this yields anything for you.

Sincerely,

Bellinda Myrick Barnett

Date: 1/12/99 8:20:24 PM Central Standard Time

From: BandB4951

To: JBarron933, lbarron@fas.harvard.edu

Hi, John and Lucy,

On the Deshultz....I will try and remember....there was another website where I found the Deshultz named as being married, I believe, to someone different than in Martha's name...I can't remember right off hand....it was a brother, a son, a cousin, an uncle....something like that....as I saw it on that website. It may take me awhile to track it down...but I 'll get back with you.

Bellinda Myrick Barnett

Date: 1/12/99 11:16:02 PM Central Standard Time

From: stoii@juno.com (shirley l lindeen)

To: JBarron933@aol.com

John, Yes I will sent you a copy of the cherokee application for the descendants of Nathan Lott and in this application it names his parents and Arthur Lott's wife. They are other Lotts who applied to the Cherokee Nation along with Elbert Watts who was living at the time in the Chickasaw Nation. The memorandum attached to this application names Arthur Lott and Family who left for Indian Terr. which includes Thomas Watts. The importance I beleive here is the writing of all the family descendants parents and children, in many cases who they married, which they wouldn't have been eligible because of the state where they lived.. I will also sent you copies of Creek Enrollment documentation. Also John the gentleman who answered on Benjaham Lott who went to Texas, I believe he had sent something around before that his family had went to Texas and has stayed at the home of JP Lott. I also have enrollment for him and his family. Here's something different an individual Tom Lott born in Oklahoma Terr. in 1832 married a Nancy Toney. Their daughter married a Reese which became Eliz. Watts. In any case generations on down oral history from this Toney & Reese family claims Tom Watt was the son of Nathan Lott and Diecy Watts. Although I have never found any evidence myself. Although I keep it in mind I wound't put it in my documentation with proof. But I am convinced that the MS Lotts knew the Creek Lotts. And most of these TX & MS Lotts was charged with bootlegging in Indian Territory according to United States Marshal Records. I guess the boys need to make a few extra bucks. So sent me a mailing address and I will get these in the mail to you.

Joe

Date: 1/12/99

To: lbarron@fas.harvard.edu

CC: BandB4951

In a message dated 1/11/99 3:08:07 PM Central Standard Time, lbarron@fas.harvard.edu writes:

<< What do you think about the name Dorsey/Darsey for Absalom's wife, Martha Ann Dorsey LIGHTFOOT, dau. of Philip (III?). Think she was a widow of a LIGHTFOOT with maiden name DORSEY or do you think its her middle name. Unusual to have middle names like that at this time. >>>>>>>>

I never heard of a woman from that time with a middle name. It would help to know where they were married. Absalom Lott was in West Florida (now MS) in 1780 and they were supposedly married in 1781. Not sure what to make of all of this.

<<<<< Also whatever happened to the name Deschultz? Can you get Deschults out of Dorsey if you play with it enough? I'm confused about who the Indian was. Was it a WATTS wife or a LOTT wife? >>>>>>>>>>>>>

The "affidavit" of John A. Lott which originated from Bartlet Watts is the one that mentions Deschultz. Don't think it's a corruption of Dorsey, though, do you? The Indian girl was supposedly connected to both the Lott and Watts line. Absalom's wife would, of course, do that.

Date: 1/13/99 8:41:15 AM Central Standard Time

From: lbarron@fas.harvard.edu (Lucy Barron)

To: BandB4951@aol.com, JBarron933@aol.com

Could it be possible that he didn't go back to NC to marry? If he was "hiding out" in Florida, it could have been risky.

If Martha's mother was an Indian, it might make sense that her father also married/lived there or at least the mother as they probably would not have been accepted in Virginia society, would they?

Perhaps Spanish records would have the marriage?

Lucy

Date: 1/13/99 11:20:18 PM Central Standard Time

From: aridlon@jvlnet.com (Angela Ridlon)

To: jbarron933@aol.com ('jbarron933@aol.com')

John, I have looked at several of your pages and believe that I might be able to eventually make a connection to my grandfather's family. As of now, I only go back to his father, John Calvin Lott, born Sept. 29, 1889.

Angela Ridlon

Date: 1/14/99 9:04:15 AM Central Standard Time

From: BandB4951

To: mrader@juno.com

CC: JBarron933

Thank you so very much for calling this to my attention!!!! You're absolutely right.....don't know if this was my typo or someone elses.....but regardless.......

My grandmother, Ethel Rosalie HATTEN married first husband: Joseph Marion WOMACK and second husband, Louis SLAUGHTER, (son of Hudson/Hutson H./Harris SLAUGHTER , son of Susan CROUCH, daughter of Samuel CROUCH, and John M. SLAUGHTER, of NC,) is the daughter of Cicero HATTEN, son of Francis Elizabeth GRISHAM, mother named FORD, and Della JONES. (If anyone has any information on Della JONES, please let me know, as I have nothing on her except for a picture of her with my Grandmother Ethel Rosalie HATTEN WOMACK SLAUGHTER and my mother, La Verne SLAUGHTER MYRICK and myself as a baby, Bellinda Gail MYRICK BARNETT.)

and another mistake is

(Ethel) LA VERNE SLAUGHTER is married to Billy Earle MYRICK......on the email it stated BYRICK with a B

I will forward this on over to John BARRON and the LOTT CIRCLE to make sure that we correct it. Thanks again! And, I have received some new information on the GRISHAM and FORD lines that are ancestors and siblings to Frances Elizabeth GRISHAM, the wife of Lawrence (died POW at Camp Chase, OH, Civil War) son of Frances Lucretia LOTT and William HATTEN.) If anyone is interested in that contact me and I'll send over.....will send it over to whole group shortly. I'm not sure...but I think this is new information for LOTT CIRCLE.

Sincerely,

Bellinda Myrick Barnett

Date: 1/12/99 9:20:10 PM Central Standard Time

From: BandB4951

To: JBarron933, lbarron@fas.harvard.edu

Oh, and one other thing I was thinking about, regarding the time frame during which it appears that Martha Jane and Absalom married.....it would seem most likely that they married in Old Spanish Florida as it was before the time that they married that he took an oath of allegiance, if my memory is serving me correctly......????? But, of course, he could have gone back to North Carolina to get married. And.....I am still going back to look more....but there are either relatives of Lightfoot, Dorsey or both that I found living in Florida around that same time period.....could just be coincidental or ???

Bellinda

Date: 1/14/99

To: lcgoings@i-55.com

Linda, don't give up on the web page too soon. Try typing in the following: http://members.aol.com/jbarron933/ or clicking again on the following: John Barron's Home Page

If you can't get to it at home, try at a library, etc. Let me know results.

Meantime, I am attaching a 4 generation chart starting with the earliest Lott that I know about, John Lott, who was in Bertie Co., NC, by 1734. My line is from his grandson Arthur who was born about 1750 in NC. Yours that you cited would be from great-grandson Robert born about 1760.

Understand that these are my conclusions from the evidence that I have seen without too much regard to the huge amount of traditional information that swirls about this family like few others I have seen including numerous claims of Indian ancestry. My conclusions are not totally accepted by all in the Lott Circle including the very good genealogists, Dan Lott and Joseph Lott, who feel that Elizabeth Joyner was the wife of John 2 and not John 1 as I think. There are, of course, other differences, but genealogy is a never ending series of additions and changes.

John Barron

Date: 1/15/99 9:26:18 AM Central Standard Time

From: JLott1224

To: JBarron933

I don't know anything about Alonzo Paulk but maybe I can contact someone who does know. Where were/are this couple and what is the time frame? The Lott and Paulk family has been associated with since back in the 1800's. I don't know your location but the earliest record is they were in Willacoochee, Georgia. Could this be the same family?

Date: 1/15/99 12:28:22 PM Central Standard Time

From: DMatt61035

To: JBarron933

Alonzo Paulk was born before 1863 his Dad Alonzo Paulk was born 7-14-1839 So he was probably born about 1859 or so his mother was Anna Jane Merritt Alonzo married Lucy Lott daughter of Arthur Lott and Eliza carver she was born 9-1867 They were married in 7-23-1935 in Coffee county Ga. Lucy was born in Coffee County Ga. She died in Ambrose Coffee county Ga. they had 4 children alonzo paulk III, birdayle Mytrice Paulk, Daniel Jacob Paulk (my grandfather), John Manasseh Paulk..

I have this history back to 1655 they were from Wales or England.. I am trying to find out why there are so few records on Alonzo and Lucy and why there are no records on Daniel Jacob. Questions, questions etc.

Any help would be great..

Kay

Date: 1/16/99 1:05:32 AM Central Standard Time

From: campbird@detnet.com (Harlan & Frances Camp)

To: JBarron933@aol.com

John, I was reading the memo sent from Joe to you, to be forwarded to Robert A.Lott. In it, as you know, was mentioned the names of Nathan Lott who applied to the Cherokee Nation along with his parents, Arthur Lott and Sarah Ann Clapp, is this correct? Also a Thomas Watts? Do you have any information, yet that says that Sarah Ann Clapp was an Indian?I am interested in this because Arthur and Sarah are my gggGrand parents.Their daughter, Patience m.William Thomas Watts, who were my gggrandparents.

Sincerely, Harlan & Frances Camp

Date: 1/16/99 8:28:50 PM Central Standard Time

From: bfreeman@usit.net (Beverly Freeman)

To: LOTT-L@rootsweb.com

Hi group, I'm new to the list and hoping to find some relatives and share information. I've been stuck for a while at my third great grandfather, John Lott, born 1817 in TN. I don't know where in Tennessee that he was born, nor do I have the names of his parents or siblings. Both the census and my grandfather say that his parents were born in Kentucky.

John married twice and fathered nine children. I have descendants of 7 that I will be happy to share and would like information about his daughter, Martha, and his son, Robert.

Anyone have information about the Lott family in Kentucky that could connect?

Many families from my other lines continued south, or west, perhaps his parents and siblings went to MS or TX?

Any help that you may offer will be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance.

Beverly

Date: 1/17/99

To: bfreeman@usit.net

Beverly, I am researching a group of 3 Lott brothers who came to what is now Texas in the mid-1830s. They were John, Arthur, and Robert A. Lott and in 1836 were living in Washington Co., Rep. of Texas. This John had a son named John Sharp Lott. John Sharp served in the Mexican War of 1846 and afterward left the state. He was said the have been a "guiding light in the horse racing industry of Tennessee and Kentucky for years afterward. I've never been able to find him on any census. Can you give me some more details of the John Lott that you referred to, such as census listings, names of children, etc.

John Barron, Austin, TX

Date: 1/19/99 2:47:39 PM Central Standard Time

From: bfreeman@usit.net (Beverly Freeman)

To: JBarron933@aol.com

Hi John,

When was your John Sharp Lott born? Do you know if John, Arthur, and Robert A. Lott ever lived in TN or KY? I have been unable to locate my John Lott, b. 1817 before the 1850 census in McNairy Co., TN, where he lived for the remainder of his life, as far as I know.

1850 census of McNairy Co., TN, 11th district, p. 1460:

John Lott, male, age 32, farmer, b. TN

Elizabeth, female, age 25, b.TN

William, male, age 9, b. TN

Daniel, male, age 5, b. TN

Martha, female, age 2, b. TN

1860 census of McNairy Co., TN, district 8, Anderson Store, p.77:

John Lott, male, age 40, farmer, b. TN

Mary J., female, age 30, b. TN

William H., male, age 15, b. TN

John R., male, age 8, b. TN

Robert L., male, age 4, b. TN

Sarah A., female, age 1, b. TN

Eliza D., female, age 1, b. TN

1870 census ( I don't have info. from)

1880 census McNairy Co., TN, district 16:

John Lott, male, age 60, farmer, b. TN, father b. KY, mother b. KY

M.J., female, age 52, wife, b. TN, father b. TN, mother b. TN

Sarah, female, age 21, daughter, b. TN, father b. TN, mother b. TN

Thomas J., male, age 18, son, b. TN, father b. TN, mother b. TN

N.E., female, age 16, daughter, b. TN, father b. TN, mother b. TN

Two sons and their families are also listed in the 1880 census.

I can't help wondering if your John Sharp Lott and my John Lott could be the same?

John Lott family:

Known wives and children of John Lott were as follows:

John Lott, b. 1817

m.1) Elizabeth L. "Betsy" Robins, b.1824

ch: William Harrison Lott, b.1841

Daniel Hugh Lott, b. 1846

Martha Lott, b.ca. 1848

John Robins Lott, b.1853

Robert L. Lott, b. ca. 1855

m.2) Mary Jane (possibly Taylor?)

ch: Sarah A. Lott, b. 1859

Eliza D. Lott, b. 1860

Thomas J. Lott, b. 1862

Nancy E. Lott, b.1864

My line is: John Lott, b.1817, John Robins Lott, b.1853, Harmon Sheryl Lott, b.1880, Jarmon Ova Lott, b.1904, Beverly Lott, b. 1947.

Thanks so much for inviting me to be a part of your group,

Beverly

Date: 1/20/99

To: bfreeman@usit.net

In a message dated 1/19/99 2:47:39 PM Central Standard Time, bfreeman@usit.net writes:

<< When was your John Sharp Lott born? Do you know if John, Arthur, and Robert

A. Lott ever lived in TN or KY? >>

Beverly, thanks for the info on your John Lott. I passed it on to the group. The above Lott brothers that I am researching were born in Georgia and came to Mississippi about 1805 with their father and other relatives. They were never in TN or KY to my knowledge. John Sharp Lott was born about 1820 in MS and supposedly went to TN/KY about 1850. I don't believe that he is the same man as your ancestor. Too bad, might have "killed" two birds with one stone, huh?

John Barron

Date: 1/20/99 11:57:53 AM Central Standard Time

From: garylott@juno.com (GARY LOTT)

To: JBarron933@aol.com, MikMP@aol.com

mary elizabeth magee, 2nd wife of thomas watkins lott, marriage date jan.24, 1866 he descended from arthur (killed by indians) son solomon lott

On Tue, 19 Jan 1999 23:09:19 EST JBarron933@aol.com writes:

GARY

Date: 1/22/99 10:41:28 AM Central Standard Time

From: vherrin@medicine.umsmed.edu (Vince Herrin)

To: JBarron933@aol.com

John,

I am trying to help collect information on the descendants of Nathan and Dicey [Watts] Lott. I have enclosed a listing of their children as compiled by the group I'm working with. Please share this with the Lott Circle; I invite comments on this list and any tie-ins.

One specific question: son #1 (child #2) William Lott had a son Thomas Jefferson Lott who moved to Ellis County, TX. Am particularly interested to know if you've come across this family in your Texas Lott research.

Thanks. Vince

Date: 1/22/99 4:46:49 PM Central Standard Time

From: garylott@juno.com (GARY LOTT)

CORRECTION::::::::::::::::::::::::

WED 20 JAN 1999, I WROTE IN ERROR THAT MARY ELIZABETH MAGEE WAS 2ND WIFE OF THOMAS WATKINS LOTT. SORRY!!!!!! CORRECT AS FOLLOWS

THOMAS WATKINS LOTT 1st MARRIED MARY ELIZABETH MAGEE ON JAN 24, 1866

CHILDREN WERE FLORENCE, JESSE, SIMON, THOMAS, LUCY.

W.B. MOORE ALSO ADDED EDWARD b.1866, AND BIRTH OF THOMAS 1869.

THOMAS WATKINS LOTT 2nd MARRIED SARAH ELIZABETH RAWLS.

CHILDREN: REBECCA 1879, JOHN 1883, MARGARET ANN 1885, GEORGE HERMON 1890, MATTIE 1890, SALLY 1891, RUBY 1892, SOLOMON CLARENCE 1897.

IN FTW PROGRAM, THE WRONG SPOUSE WAS HIGHLIGHTED. I MUST HAVE BEEN IN A HURRY.

I APOLOGIZE FOR THE OVERSIGHT.

GARY

Date: 1/24/99 6:33:04 PM Central Standard Time

From: bfreeman@usit.net (Beverly Freeman)

To: JBarron933@aol.com

John, thanks for forwarding me the information about Elizabeth Magee. Do you have dates or places? I don't have Elizabeth Magee in my files, but I do have Robert L. Lott, b. ca, 1855, the son of John Lott, that I have been unable to trace. I will keep your message and forward anything that I might find for Elizabeth to you. I went to your web page and was really impressed! You have done a lot of work on the Lott family.

Your Harmon Lott, b. 1835, Covington Co., MS made me take notice. My grandfather was Harmon Sheryl Lott, b.TN. I had to wonder if he could have been named for your Harmon?

Does the name Ben Black Sharp mean anything to you? I am thinking of your John Sharp Lott. The name Ben Black Sharp was mentioned in an old newspaper article, where the son of John Lott, b. 1817, was being interviewed on his 84th Birthday about the old times in McNairy Co., TN.

John Sharp Lott being in the horse racing industry in TN and KY interests me also. I had not heard that before.

Hoping to hear from you again soon, Beverly

Date: 1/26/99

To: bfreeman@usit.net

Thanks Beverly. I had not heard of him, but it is interesting to note that Jack Sharp Lott's aunt by marriage in Texas (widow of Arthur Lott) married Pliney Black about 1848 which was just about the time that Lott left for Tenn. Might be a connection.

The Lotts interest in horse racing went back awhile. Legend was that Robert A. Lott brought a string of fine horses to Texas in 1836 and I have a record of him dealing in horses in 1825 in Marion Co., MS. His brother John (Jack Sharp's daddy) paid $1,000 for a grey mare in 1839. I'll bet she wasn't intended to pull his buggy. Horse racing was actually a major diversion for the well heeled in those days which we don't commonly appreciate today.

John

Date: 1/27/99 5:53:09 PM Central Standard Time

From: BandB4951

To: JBarron933, lbarron@fas.harvard.edu

To: joe@lottfamily.com, sumik@cwix.com

I14425: Richard EDELEN (1671 - BET 1760 AN... LYDIA DORSEY WELCH/WELSH

http://pickle.gsfc.nasa.gov/mdfams/D0014/G0000016.html

In further reply to Lucy BARRON's email regarding question regarding the unusual circumstances of a girl of that 1700's era possibly being given her mother's last name as a middle name. I have not seen it that often in my searching but I have seen it a few times so far. And, I had missed this one in the DORSEY family, of which I had sent you information before, that are possibly related to our Martha Jane Dorsey LIGHTFOOT and Elizabeth and Frances Lucretia LOTT among others. I have listed some of that again below, briefly, just to refresh everyone's memory. Regarding this information: LYDIA DORSEY WELCH/WELSH is the daughter of LUCRETIA DORSEY, sister of FRANCES DORSEY, daughters of Colonel Nicholas DORSEY and Sarah GRIFFITH. Colonel Nicholas DORSEY is the son of Nicholas DORSEY and FRANCiS HUGHES. (Of course, I don't know if or how FRANCIS HUGHES would be connected yet to our FRANCES LUCRETIA LOTT....but she is in that DORSEY line and, obviously, where they get their FRANCIS/FRANCES family name....or one of the places they get it....and could be somehow connected to ours. The above link and address are from a website that I have sent you information from before regarding the DORSEY family of Maryland and some in Virginia that is related to the CORBIN family that is related to the LIGHTFOOT family that the line of the PHILLIPS (1-3) come from by way of Colonel PHILLIP (1) LIGHTFOOT's marriage to Alice CORBIN, dau: of Henry CORBIN and Alice ELTONHEAD, and there is also a Mary LIGHTFOOT that shows up connected on this family tree at this website. LYDIA DORSEY LIGHTFOOT is one of the granddaughters of Colonel Nicholas DORSEY that I sent information on before that has all of the family names in his family tree that show up in our MARTHA JANE DORSEY LIGHTFOOT and her daughters, ELIZABETH and FRANCES LUCRETIA LOTT's names.....MARTHA, JANE, ELIZABETH, FRANCES, LUCRETIA/LETITIA.....which, also, show up on the LIGHTFOOT list of family names.....with JANE and ELIZABETH both being LIGHTFOOT ancestral grandmothers, ELIZABETH PHILLIPS LIGHTFOOT and JANE JONES LIGHTFOOT. Colonel Nicholas DORSEY's mother's name was FRANCIS HUGHES who married Nicholas DORSEY, Sr.. Perhaps, the MARTHA, LUCRETIA and LETITIA names all go back to other grandmothers as well....still checking.

Bellinda Myrick Barnett

Date: 1/29/99

CHILDREN OF NATHAN AND DICEY [WATTS] LOTT

1. CATHERINE LOTT b. ca1801 d. 12 Sept. 1884 md. (1) Joshua Lott; md. (2) Solomon Herrin.

2. WILLIAM LOTT b. 7 Dec. 1804 d. 3 Oct. 1886 md. Mary Bryant on 20 Nov. 1833.

3. ABSALOM N. LOTT b. 28 Feb. 1806 d. 27 Dec. 1887 md. Elizabeth Williamson.

4. JOHN LOTT b. 9 Feb. 1809 d. 9 Sept. 1844 md. 9 May 1828 to Sarah Aultman.

5. SARAH LOTT b. ca1811 md. William Hinton Powell.

6. JUDITH LOTT b. 30 May 1812 d. 17 April 1879 md. 1832 to Willis Watts.

7. ARTHUR LOTT b. 1814 d. 1885 md. ?

8. THOMAS LOTT b. ca1815

9. MARY MARGARET "POLLY" LOTT b. 12 July 1819 d. 24 Sept. 1903 md. on 29 Dec. 1846 to Winston Morris.

10. REUBEN WATTS LOTT b. ca1822 md. in 1844 to Rutha Rayburn.

Sources: Papers of Carroll Watts; Census, Bible, and Family interview research by various people, compiled by Louise Anderson.

Date: 2/4/99 1:55:25 PM Central Standard Time

From: vherrin@medicine.umsmed.edu (Vince Herrin)

To: JBarron933@aol.com

Hi. Here's another list that has been formulated that is a bit different that what's out there already. Would like to float this one out for comment or criticism, as well--especially helpful would be any proof that this list is incorrect.

(Possible) Children of Absolum and Martha? Lott

1. WILLIAM "BILL" LOTT md. Sarah Wiggins

2. JOHNNY MAJOR LOTT--no further info

3. NATHAN LOTT md. ?Martha Fulsom?

4. ALFRED LOTT--never married

5. ARTHUR LOTT--no further info

6. ELIZABETH LOTT md. Thomas Watts

7. PHILLIP LOTT md. Mary "Polly" Wiggins

8. ABSOLUM LOTT md. Sarah Watts

9. ABRAM LOTT md. Zilphia Wiggins

10. FRANCES LOUCRETIA "PATSY" LOTT md. William Hatten

Thanks. Vince

Date: 2/4/99 7:06:24 PM Central Standard Time

From: BandB4951

To: JBarron933, lbarron@fas.harvard.edu, MPShaver

To: light123@telepath.com, tafoot@gmi.net

To: joe@lottfamily.com, sumik@cwix.com

Dear John and others,

Just noticed something that I had not noticed before. That Lewis HATTEN, born (abt. 1736, that date is off of the Robert Hatten Descendants chart I was just sent...I haven't checked it with our list of info yet to see if they match) ancestor of William HATTEN that married Frances Lucretia LOTT, the Lewis HATTEN that owned a sloop. I didn't realize that he dealt extensively in trade in the Indies......Captain(Sea Captain) John LIGHTFOOT, (brother of Colonel Phillip LIGHTFOOT,) died in the West Indies. Since LIGHTFOOT was born earlier it wouldn't necessarily mean that they knew each other but it would certainly put their families in much closer proximity with each other than I had realized before. Also my PAYNE and JENNINGS families on my father's side of the family.....(LOTT AND HATTEN AND LIGHTFOOT would be on my mothers) they, too were involved in the shipping trade as were CORBIN on the LIGHTFOOT related side. It seems at that time out of Virginia that would have narrowed the scope of their world considerably other than just looking for them coming together through the general populous. They were all Virginia and all shipping industry putting them in a much smaller community. Also....read something not long ago about lots of the people that wound up in Old Spanish Florida were people that had been given land grants by the Spanish Crown for transporting people there....like the British crown did for Virginia. Was that on your webpages I read that.....can't remember.....at any rater. That's all for now.

Bellinda Myrick Barnett

Date: 2/5/99 8:44:17 AM Central Standard Time

From: BandB4951

To: JBarron933, lbarron@fas.harvard.edu, MPShaver

To: light123@telepath.com, tafoot@gmi.net

To: joe@lottfamily.com, sumik@cwix.com

Hello,

Just forwarding note that I put with the HATTEN in the West Indies information that I sent with you all earlier to send over to the other HATTEN-LOTT-LIGHTFOOT family members that I have been communicating with the most and who have sent me helpful information in the past. I decided it was time to let them know the information that I have put together on Martha Jane Dorsey LIGHTFOOT inclusive of the admonition that this is greatly supposition aided by very strong 'possibilities/probabilities.'

Sincerely,

Bellinda Myrick Barnett

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Subj: Fwd: HATTEN LOTT LIGHTFOOT related tidbit

Date: 2/5/99 8:37:48 AM Central Standard Time

From: BandB4951

To: barbara@7cities.net, griff@pacific.net, BHH0104

To: okardatz@pop500.gsfc.nasa.gov, Sewngo01

To: eschistsoc@cet1.acet.net, Mik MP

To: rlwheat@earthlink.net, jwillis@saber.net

Hi,

I have this to send to you all right now and some other things that I have been gathering that I will start sending you shortly regarding Martha Jane Dorsey LIGHTFOOT who married Absalom LOTT and what very much looks to be her ancestry. It is

not confirmed and I am still looking for more to verify it but the main LIGHTFOOT researchers that I have been communicating with say that it looks to them that she is from the particular line that I have so far associated her with. This immediate forwarded information I am sending you is regarding HATTEN that I received from other cousins. I'll be back with you later and will be sending info regarding Martha Jane, as well as other things and people, to you not necessarily in the order that I received it nor in chronological order.....just in accordance with which files I come to first. Just continue to keep in mind that much of this is supposition aided by strong probabilities but remain somewhat skeptical as you look at any of this or other information because that is the only way that we track down the truth. That said.....at the same time do not hesistate to feel a little bit 'euphoric' that we might actually have placed Martha Jane Dorsey LIGHTFOOT LOTT and her descendants with their correct family. At least, I hope so. It appears that the LIGHTFOOT line that she descends from is, indeed, a strong, prominent, community and politically involved family that involved themselves in the service of their country, the protection of their families and support of their neighbors and communities. Theirs is a very rich history that weaves in and out of the lives of other well thought of and prominent families of England and the South United States, specifically, in Virginia. They are a family of which to be proud of belonging. One of the interesting aspects for me has been that the very contentious part of the name of Martha Jane Dorsey LIGHTFOOT......that being the name DORSEY that we find in the middle of her name.....very well may be the part of the puzzle that has brought it all together solidly along with the only other clue I had to go on which was her father's name of Phillip LIGHTFOOT, spelled with two LL's, and his being from a very prominent English family living in Virginia. Each of these items on it's own would not have been so important but all of them put together with the information of the names of Martha Jane's only two daughters, Elizabeth and Frances Lucretia, my ggg grandmother, turned out to be enormously important. It's taken an enormous amount of hours on my part spanning many months now aided by the wonderful assistance of other LIGHTFOOT, CORBIN, ARMISTEAD, DORSEY, LEE, SLAUGHTER, PHILLIPS, SAWYER and other family surname researchers that I have communicated with extensively and, in some instances, just communicated with in passing. They, as have you all, been so very generous in sharing their information with me and I am so delighted to have what they have shared, along with what I have compiled, with you all. I only hope that it is put together in its 'closest to fact' form but I know that there will be things that we continue to find, large or small, along the way that will be inaccurate and in need of change......such is the 'nature of the beast.' I hope you enjoy, in the tiniest way, reading the information that has brought me great joy as I would uncover each 'new find.' Wishing you all the very best.

Sincerely,

Bellinda Myrick Barnett

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Subj: HATTEN LOTT LIGHTFOOT related tidbit

Date: 2/4/99 7:06:24 PM Central Standard Time

From: BandB4951

To: JBarron933, lbarron@fas.harvard.edu, MPShaver

To: light123@telepath.com, tafoot@gmi.net

To: joe@lottfamily.com, sumik@cwix.com

Bellinda Myrick Barnett

Date: 2/5/99

To: BandB4951

In a message dated 2/1/99 9:25:14 PM Central Standard Time, BandB4951 writes:

<< By Roy C OLD SPANISH FLORIDA........scroll down aways through the alphabet listings on the left to 1777 LOTT, JOHN, JR. Bellinda

>>>>>>>>>

This reference is, of course, to the "infamous" Tory land grant given to a John Jr. by King George III in the middle of the revolutionary war. This is the one that ended up in the hands of Wm Vardeman in 1803 and he tried to make it good before the U.S. land commissioners when the Mississippi Terr. was established after the Louisiana Purchase. His claim was rejected, but two years later John Lott (I think son of above John "Jr") regained the property which became Lott's Bluff on the east side of the Pearl River.

O what a web (of John Lotts) we've weaved ....

John Barron

Date: 2/6/99 12:50:02 PM Central Standard Time

From: rsmith@web-access.net (Dr. Robert Smith)

To: LOTT-L@rootsweb.com

Lott cousins (aren't we all?)

I now have an Absolom N. Lott b. Feb 28, 1806, d. Dec. 27, 1887 m. to Elizabeth Williamson. s/o Nathan and Dicey Watts Lott

An Absolom s/o Jessie Lott /Dicy Hatten

An Absolom Lott b. ?, m. ---Williamson. bur. in Wiggins, Stone Co., MS

An Absolom Lott m. to Martha (?) son Absolom m. to Sarah Watts no dates

An Absolom whose father was Arthur Lott m. to Sarah Clapp (?)

Will I have to quit my job to sort out all these Lotts? All I really know is that my gt grandfather was John Lott b. Nov 11, 1837, MS m. to Nellie Bond, b. Dec. 11, 1842. bur Stone Co., Ms. They had a son named ABSOLOM LOTT !

Our Lott List is the greatest at responding and I appreciate it!

Bob

Date: 2/6/99 1:00:04 PM Central Standard Time

From: rsmith@web-access.net (Dr. Robert Smith)

To: LOTT-L@rootsweb.com

Here's another Absolom b. abt 1823 MS , m. Canzada (?), s/o Luke Lott ???? of Marion Co., Ms . This family came to Smith Co., Tx 1850 census

Is my Absolom REALLY the s/o Arthur of Indian fame?

Bob

Date: 2/6/99 7:15:41 PM Central Standard Time

From: Wilson950

To: JBarron933

Hello. I'm researching to Lott name. I have very little info. I have a Zinnia Lott, born late 1800's, d. about 1907, married an Anderson.They either lived in Mississippi, or Alabama. I'm thinking Clarke, or Marango counties. Some rumors say Mobile co.Alab. Zinnia, had at least two sisters, Ola, short for what, i don't know, and Alice. That is all of the info i have at this time...I knows it's not much...Thank you for reading this....Johnie

Date: 2/9/99 11:16:00 AM Central Standard Time

From: RW_Lott@nwcc.cc.ms.us (Russell Lott)

To: LOTT-L@rootsweb.com

Dr. Smith,

Maybe I can clear up some of this for you. I am originally from Stone Co., MS and had the opportunity a few weeks ago to revisit many of the old cemeteries in the county and take pictures of some of the old grave markers.

Absolom N. Lott, b. Feb 28, 1806, d. Dec. 27, 1887, and his wife Elizabeth Williamson, b. June 22, 1809, d. Jan 16, 1887, are buried in the Jerry Bond-Lott Cemetary in Stone Co. MS. (Of course, this was Harrison Co. at the time of their death.) Absolom N. Lott's parents were Nathan Lott, b. abt. 1781 in SC, d. May 28, 1845 in Covington Co. MS, m. Dicey Watts abt. 1800 in Telfair Co., GA. I am directly descended from these two early South Mississippi settlers.

Jesse Lott, b. 1835, d. 1905, m. Dicey Hatten, b. 1843, d. 1927, is one of Absolom N. Lott's sons. He and his Dicey are buried in the Lott-Hickman Cemetary in Stone Co., MS. I don't have any more information about Jesse or a record of his children.

I am especially interested in your reference to your great grandfather, John Lott, b. Nov 11, 1837, MS m. to Nellie Bond, b. Dec. 11, 1842. You say he is buried Stone Co., MS. Do you know in which cemetery or where the grave is located?

I suspect this John Lott is the son of Absolom N. Lott and the brother to Jesse (above) and to my great grandfather, Elisha W. Lott. This John is listed in the 1850 Census as age 14 in Absolom's household (Family #640 in the Harrison Co. census record). Hope this helps.

I would be grateful for any information that you may have regarding the other children of Absolom N. Lott.

-Russell Lott

Date: 2/10/99 3:19:30 PM Central Standard Time

From: bweigler@flash.net (bweigler)

Reply-to: bweigler@flash.net

To: jbarron933@aol.com

Hello-- By the time I found the information that I wanted to send you, I couldn't find where you asked the questions--- but here goes I recall that you asked about Lotts in Texas as early as 1836.

There is a Jessee Lott who is a resident of Atascosa county Texas in the 1867 registered voter list for precinct #1--says that he has been in the state for 35 years and in that precinct for 12 years and that he was born in Mississippi.

In precinct #3 of Atascosa county Texas IN THE YEAR 1880 there is an Arthur Lott age 47- He is single-- a farmer born in Alabama- His father born in Georgia and mother in South Carolina. Living with him are His sister, Emma Kemp, a widow age 38 and her daughter Mary Virginia Kemp (Arthurs niece (she was born in Texas) Also in the household is Arthur's brother--James W Lott age 41 and also The Lott brother's mother Therza Lott ( a widow) age 71 who was born in South Carolina as were both of her parents.

The reason for my interest is that my greatgrandfather who was from Mississippi and lived in Atascosa county Texas was named James Lott Miller and I have been trying to figure out is there is a relationship between the Lott family of Miss and the Millers who also had South Carolina and Mississippi roots.

Bertha Weigler

Date: 2/15/99

To: bweigler@flash.net

Bertha, thanks for your response. I will add you to our list of Lott researchers. You can check with my web page for some more Lott family information by clicking on the following: John Barron's Home Page

The people that you mentioned are from the John Lott family from early Texas. Jesse was a son of John. John Lott married Celia Neal, widow of Andrew Miller, in Washington Co., Rep. of Texas, in 1839. I suspect that your James Lott Miller is a descendant of one of her children. The book "Blood on the Bluebonnets" by Bill Lehmann gives some good info on the Miller family in early Texas.

The Thirza that you refer to is Thirza Easterling. She married a Lott in Marion Co., MS, in 1820s, but I can't recall which one right now. They are all related. Would like to find her in Alabama before they came to Texas, however. I'll try to locate more info on them and get back to you.

John Barron, Austin, TX

Date: 2/17/99 8:51:19 PM Central Standard Time

From: STCASEY01@worldnet.att.net (Sandra T. Casey)

To: jbarron933@aol.com (John Barron)

John, I thought this might be of interest. Could you please forward to the rest of circle?

In David King Gleason's book, "Antebellum Homes of Georgia," which consists of photographs and text by him and a foreword by Joseph B. Mahan, there is a brief history of land development as the state made land available to citizens and recent immigrants that it was dispossessing the resident Indian tribes of (Cherokee, Creek and Seminole) of. Between 1801 and 1832 Georgia agreed to relinquish to the United States government its own disputed claim to lands that would become parts of Alabama and Mississippi. In return, the promise was made to remove all Indians from the remainder of the state's territory as soon as was practicable.

This land (thirteen large areas) had been considered a nonproductive, unprotected section of the state.

In 1803 the legislature passed a new law establishing a system of land grants, which we know as the Georgia lottery. These lots were 202.5 acres until 1832, when land from the Cherokee Nation was divided into 160-acre lots, except where gold was discovered, and these became 40-acre lots....Many of the winners established residence on the land they got....Most of the lucky winners offered them for sale at whatever price they would bring."

"The availability of land coincided with the expanding cotton industry and nurtured the period of easy abundance...(shown in this book as plantations). That period covered only a brief few decades." This was due not only to the Civil War's effect but also that the soil was becoming exhausted by continually growing cotton . ...The main area of competition for producing cotton came from the Gulf states, "into which settlers carrying the cotton culture moved; later, it was Arkansas and Texas, which took the lead toward the end of the period."

The book also shows pictures particularly on the western side of the state of plantations belonging to Indians and "mixed blood" people. The first is that of Cherokee chieftain James Vann's - Chief Vann House, 1805. His father, Clement, was a Scottish trader who married a Cherokee woman. James Vann was killed by a shot in ambush in 1809, and left the house to his son, Joseph Van. The Cherokees, however, ruled that James' wife, Peggy be given the house and the property divided among Joseph and his (sic) other children. He was dispossessed by the Georgia Guard in 1834, and moved to Oklahoma. He not only built a similar house there, but was paid by the state of Georgia in the 1840 for his Georgia property.

Cherokee Indian leader Major Ridge, received his commission from Andrew Jackson, and first built in 1794 a log cabin as a trading post and he operated a ferry on the banks of the Oostanaula River, and then the regulary enlarged the house became a 52" by 28' two-story frame structure called the "Chieftains." He and his son, John were signers of the Treaty of New Echota, whiched exchanged the Indian's Georgia land for acreage in Oklahoma. Survivors of the Trail of Tears executed the two for the signing of the treaty.

Chief John Martin, a wealthy "mixed blood" and treasurer of the Cherokee Nation built his"Coosawatee Plantation " in the early 1800's, a 15,000-acre property in the valley of the Coosawatee River. He owned 80 slaves. In 1834, when the Cherokees were forced to move to Oklahoma, John Martin became chief justice of the Supreme Court of Indian Territory and the Coosawatee Plantation was then acquired by Col. Farish Carter and called "Carter's Quarters." It was located in Baldwin County, near Milledgeville, GA. and this was a case where Col. Carter spent $40,000 to reassemble the original 15,000-acre complex by buying 160-acre lottery plots from their new owners.

That's it, folks!

Date: 2/17/99

To: rsmith@web-access.net

Bob, I have gone into these grants a good deal in the paper entitled "The Southern Colonial Lott Family" on my web page. Two John Lotts (a Sr. and a Jr.) were in what is now Mississippi during the Rev. war and received royal land grants from the English king. There is no doubt in my mind that they are our Johns with the elder was the one born before 1700 and the younger was the John born about 1720. I'm also convinced that they were Tories who supported England during the Rev. war and had fled Georgia at the start of the war. We had a good debate on these points when I first started the Lott Circle which you can read in the archived Lott messages also on the web page. You can access it by clicking on the following: John Barron's Home Page

John Barron

Date: 2/23/99

To: paulkj@perry.gulfnet.com

Jessie, I am glad to see that you are on-line as I have had numerous people refer to your publication on the Lotts. I moderate an on-line research group called the Lott Circle who study the southern Lott family. I would like to include you in the group with your permission. We store our results from time to time on my web page which can be accessed by clicking on the following: John Barron's Home Page

John Barron, Austin, TX

Date: 2/25/99

To: paulkj@perry.gulfnet.com

In a message dated 2/25/99 5:47:40 AM Central Standard Time, paulkj@perry.gulfnet.com writes:

<< Suits me as long as there is no charge. Maybe I can help some of the people in AL, MS & LA who are related to Trent LOTT. The AL, MS, & LA LOTTS are descended from the patraich of my book "LOTT FAMILIES OF WIREGRASS GA." My home phone 850-584-4280, Box 275, Salem, FL 32356. By the way, I still have 12 books still available.

Jessie Paulk, Salem, FL

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Hey, no charge; you're on board. Were you able to access the web site?

John Barron, Austin, TX

Date: 2/26/99 5:21:16 PM Central Standard Time

From: rsmith@web-access.net (Dr. Robert Smith)

To: JBarron933@aol.com, paulkj@perry.gulfnet.com

Lott cousins,

There was some mix-up on where John C. Lott and spouse Nellie Bond Lott were buried. I finally found some old negatives of their tombstones in the Smith-Lott Cemetery in Stone Co., MS. The cemetery is very small and theirs were the only two old markers in it. There were also the markers for his son, John Russel and his wife, Susan Davis. Just in case someone has John C. as a ancestor.

Bob

Date: 2/28/99 1:25:50 AM Central Standard Time

From: joe@lottfamily.com (Joseph Lott)

Reply-to: joe@lottfamily.com (joe@lottfamily.com)

To: JBarron933@aol.com ('JBarron933@aol.com')

I've enjoyed using Jessie's book and recommend it for those interested in the Wiregrass GA Lotts. It's focus is on the descendants of Mark Lott and Delilah Jones, although there is some family background on Mark's father (John Lott b. abt 1742) and grandfather (John Lott b. abt 1720).

By the way, Trent Lott comes from the SC Lotts that settled in Carroll Co, MS. If anyone knows the connection between those Lotts and the John Lott clan out of North Carolina, please let me know. I've been searching for that connection for years.

Regards, JL

Date: 3/3/99 12:16:52 PM Central Standard Time

From: Brandi Ted

To: JBarron933

Greetings. I understand you're part of a large group of Southern Lotts, and I just wanted to check in and submit my (Northern) line.

(My line of descent is as follows:)

1. Englebert LOTT & Sarah -

2. Peter LOTT & Gertrude LAMBERT

3. Hendrick LOTT & Catrina DE WITT

4. Johannes LOTT & Antje RAPALJE

5. Dortie/Dorothy LOTT & Johannes VAN LIEW

6. Frederick VAN LIEW & Anne RAPALJE/RAPPLEYEA

7. John R. VAN LIEW & "Susan (Budd) JAQUES"

8. Augustus Taylor VAN LIEW & Marie Louise DURELL

9. Katharine G. VAN LIEW & Frederick Huntting HOWELL

10. James Rapelje (Klots?) HOWELL & Bonnie Llewellyn/Louella SUMMITT

11. Juliette Katharine HOWELL & Friedrich Heinrich BRANDI

12. Frederic Rapelje Huntting BRANDI & Carol WEBER

13. Theodore Frederic BRANDI & Nicola Jane SMALL

I have loads of information based on two books about the Lott Family: A.V. Phillips' "Lott Family In America", 1942, and Rhea Lott Vance's "Descendants of Cornelius Peter Lott", 1973, which I'd be happy to share. You may already have these.

Has the southern line managed to connect at all to the northern branch's progenitor? I'll hang on to your screen name and get back in touch if I find anything worthwhile in the future.

Fraternally, Ted

Date: 3/5/99

To: Brandi Ted

In a message dated 3/3/99 12:16:52 PM Central Standard Time, Brandi Ted writes:

<< Has the southern line managed to connect at all to the northern branch's progenitor? I'll hang on to your screen name and get back in touch if I find anything worthwhile in the future.

>>

Thanks, Ted. All the southern Lotts that I have traced were of English origin and came to the Virginia tidewater country as early as 1650. I don't think they are related to early Lotts from New Jersey and New York whom I understand are Dutch.

I routed your message to the mailing group that I moderate just the same. Maybe some will be able to follow up with a connection. You can take a look at some of our work on my web page at the following: John Barron's Home Page

John Barron, Austin, TX

Date: 3/5/99

To: USER MACKS

CC: Lott Circle

In a message dated 3/4/99 1:34:53 PM Central Standard Time, USER MACKS writes:

John: A number of years ago (while working in newspaper) I interviewed Trent Lott. At the end of our meeting I mentioned that I was a descendant of the Marion County Lotts. Trent told me his ancestor was one of the brothers that came to the Marion County Area, then the family moved to Texas, then back to the Mississippi Gulf Coast. I don't remember which brother he said he descends from, but he did seem to be interested in his ancestry. Hey, wonder if he want to join our circle??!!!

Donna

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Very interesting, especially the Texas connection. Some of the early Texas Lotts who came from Marion Co. did disappear around 1850 and I have never been able to track them down. Perhaps his are part of this group.

Think I should send him an invite?

John

Date: 3/6/99 4:58:21 PM Central Standard Time

From: bfreeman@usit.net (Beverly Freeman)

To: JBarron933@aol.com

John,

I think that it would be great if Trent Lott joined our circle.

Beverly

Date: 3/6/99 9:10:14 AM Central Standard Time

From: vherrin@medicine.umsmed.edu (Vince Herrin)

To: JBarron933@aol.com

I think Trent Lott is originally from Grenada, in north-central MS. (So he might be descended from the Carroll County Lott family). I don't know that for sure, but I don't think he was born on the coast.

Vince

Date: 3/7/99 12:00:09 PM Central Standard Time

From: bellmer@narrows.com (Merle Bellmer)

To: JBarron933@aol.com

Hello John,

There were some of Trent's relatives who went to TX and indeed still live there. Trent is a 6th generation descendant of Aaron Lott, Sr. of Carroll Co. MS. As you probably know well, Aaron Lott, Sr.'s line went from Fairfield Co. SC to Pickens Co. AL, briefly, and then on to Carroll Co. MS, by about 1835. (Aaron Lott appears on a tax list for that county in 1835, and since Aaron, Jr. married in 1828, it could have been either Aaron, but by the 1840 census, both are on the census there.)

Aaron Sr.'s sons were: John, William, Aaron, Jr., Vail Jackson, Toliver and Andrew. Trent Lott is a descendant of Aaron Sr. through his son Andrew. Andrew had a son named John G., who had a son named Aaron, and the latter is Trent Lott's grandfather.

Trent Lott's father, and all his grandfathers and great grandfathers back to Aaron, Sr. are buried in Carroll Co. MS. I have the cemetery book for that county and can verify some by the book, and some by my own visit to Carroll Co. As far as I can tell, Trent was born in Grenada Co. MS, adjacent to Carroll Co. That isn't the MS Gulf. Maybe he lived in Marion Co. MS, I don't know, but his ancestors didn't come from there.

The lineage came from a book written about the Carroll Co. MS Lotts and the author is a cousin, second, I think, to Trent Lott. Since I bought a copy of this book, I have added my own research, but I do not actively research Trent Lotts line.

I suspect that Trent Lott may not have realized his lineage when he talked to the reporter, or the questions were asked in such a way as to get a yes or no answer that was misconstrued, or perhaps he was in a hurry and just gave careless answers to get on his way.

That's my 2 cents worth.

Have a good day.

Dot

Date: 3/8/99

To: bellmer@narrows.com

In a message dated 3/7/99 12:00:09 PM Central Standard Time, bellmer@narrows.com writes:

<< It amazes me how interested people get about someone of the surname of interest if they are newsworthy or well known. >>

Thanks, Dot, for the info on Trent Lott. I think I'm more interested in the background of Ronnie Lott (the black pro football player).

Several have suggested the Trent was from the Carroll Co. group and I'm sure you're right.

John

Date: 3/8/99 11:00:18 AM Central Standard Time

From: grg@iname.com (Gerald R GALLAGHER)

Reply-to: grg@iname.com

To: JBarron933@aol.com (John Barron)

Dear John;

In reviewing Arthur Lott's probate file in Smith County, I find several items that should interest you with regard to Abram/Abraham Lott.

An inventory of assets of the estate taken March 27, 1854, includes a note payable to Abram Lott from William Miles dated Oct 5, 1852.

In accounting for payments made from the estate to the probate court on Dec 5, 1854, two payments are made to Dr. McKorkle. The first payment is for medical services to Abraham Lott in the amount of $15. The second payment is to pay off the assumption of Abraham Lott's outstanding account of $54.30. I seems that Arthur paid for Abraham's medical needs and then assumed his assets and debts after Abraham died. This is evidence that Abraham Lott died between the dates of Oct 5, 1852 and Jan 22, 1854.

Also of interest is the fact that Dr. James H. McCorkle is one of the witnesses to Arthur Lott's will made on the date of his death Jan 22, 1854. The will is written in the hand of the other witness, John J. Lott. Arthur Lott's signature is very weak and it is clear he did not write the will himself. Dr. James H. McCorkle and John J. Lott later proved the will to the probate court.

With regard to the grand duaghter, Nancy Ann Elizabeth Lott, mentioned in the will, Elizabeth Lott, Arthur's widow, posted bond and became the guardian of this child of Abraham Lott and Nancy Hope Lott.

However, with regard to the grandson, Arthur Lott, also mentioned in the will, on Oct 30, 1856, a court order was entered to void the guardianship of Arthur Lott because Elisha Everett Lott had not posted bond and was therefore not qualified as a guardian under the law. No mention is made as to who this child's parents were or who later became his guardian.

There is no mention of Absolum Lott in any record I read in Arthur Lott's probate file. On Oct 24, 1854, Absolum Lott and his wife Conzada sold land in Smith County (deed book F, page 612). So Absolum Lott was alive at least 10 months after the death of Arthur Lott. If he were Arthur Lott's son, some mention of his name should have been in the court records between Jan and Oct of 1854.

******************************************************************************

There is another Arthur Lott probate file in Smith County. File #697 is the probate file of Arthur Lott, son of Solomon J. Lott. He made his will on July 13, 1877 and died on May 11, 1880. Solomon J. Lott was the executor of his son's estate. Arthur left his estate to his father, Solomon. In the event that Solomon did not survive his son, Arthur, the estate would have gone to Arthur's brother John. The bulk of this estate was land that was inherited from his mother, Martha. On May 8, 1875, John and M. A. Lott, C. L. and Bettie Stripling, and W. H. and Annie Thorn, sold their interest in land from the estate of Martha Lott (their mother and wife of Solomon) to their brother, Arthur.

Gerald Gallagher

Date: 3/9/99

To: grg@iname.com

Thanks, Gerald, what you sent convinces me even more that Abram was a son and Absalom was not.

Back in 1980, my dad, daughter Lucy, and I went over to Tyler and pulled Arthur Lott's probate. This was to collect evidence for Lucy's membership application in DRT. I didn't copy everything in the packet as you might understand after seeing it, but did get a lot of good info. I didn't get a lot of what you sent since it didn't do much toward helping her cause.

When we got home, Daddy wanted to take the inventory info about old Arthur's still and whiskey on hand and show his brother, but I hadn't copied that either. I always felt bad about that since he had no real interest in genealogy.

John

Date: 3/10/99

To: grg@iname.com

In a message dated 3/10/99 10:43:39 AM Central Standard Time, grg@iname.com writes:

<< I was wondering if Elisha Everett Lott's probate file #104 was in the county clerk's office when you were there in 1980. It is not there now and was not there 1996 when, as I understand it, Andrew Leath microfilmed the old probate files. >>

Hi Gerald, I don't believe that his file was there then. At least, I have no record of seeing it. We did find Elbert Watts' file and the infamous "Affidavit of John A. Lott" in it. I didn't know Andy microfilmed the records. He did write a book of abstracts of them which I have a copy. E.E. Lott's files is abstracted in it.

John

Date: 3/10/99 10:43:39 AM Central Standard Time

From: grg@iname.com (Gerald R GALLAGHER)

To: JBarron933@aol.com

Dear John;

I was wondering if Elisha Everett Lott's probate file #104 was in the county clerk's office when you were there in 1980. It is not there now and was not there 1996 when, as I understand it, Andrew Leath microfilmed the old probate files. I have no idea how long it has been missing, but if you took any notes on it, I would be interested.

I did not see the inventory in Arthur Lott's file that mentioned the still and whiskey. It may have been on oversight on my part since I was concentrating on names and you know how hard some of the hand writing is to read. On the other hand, someone may have removed that page from the file.

Gerald Gallagher

Date: 3/14/99

To: tvpal@earthlink.net

CC: Lott Circle, Barron Circle

Theron, my Lott family was from Marion Co., MS, although some of the kin were in the adjoining county of Covington. The cemetery records were sent to me for display and are the only records that I have from there. I don't think there are marriage records surviving from before the Civil War for Covington Co.

I will route your message to both Barron and Lott mailing lists that I moderate and hopefully someone can help.

The early Lott families in Texas came to Washington Co. about 1834. They were from Marion Co., but had been in the Florida Territory for a few years. One brother, Robert A. Lott, stayed in Washington Co. and ended up owning the old hotel there. The other two, John and Arthur, went to Limestone/Freestone Co. area about 1840. Both were dead by 1850. Arthur's wife, Harriett Whitton, remarried Pleney Black and is shown with her Lott children in his household in Limestone Co. 1850 with the kids named as Black. In 1860 they are shown in McLennan Co. and kids are shown as Lot.

One of the Lott girls, Sarah (I think), married Thomas Hudson Barron's son Milam about 1861. I don't know what happened to her after he died in the war.

John

Date: 3/14/99 12:39:39 PM Central Standard Time

From: stoii@juno.com (shirley l lindeen)

To: JBarron933@aol.com

John I think I have info. on this Reid or reed as it was written I need

to dig out those files will relay them as soon as I can Joe Davis

Date: 3/14/99 4:36:50 PM Central Standard Time

From: stoii@juno.com (shirley l lindeen)

To: JBarron933@aol.com

John here is what I have on the Reid or reed it seems to be spelled the two ways I will write it as it is written, hope this helps

Reid William -born 1780 on 1820 cenus

John Reed born -1795 married 1816 Tn. to Dicey T. Duke Tn. Jesse B. Reid born 1831 Ar. marriedJulia Ann Holcomb born 1847

1-William 1866

2-Mary L. 1869 married L.C. Thompson

3- Frances L. 1871 married Joseph Olan Napier born 1860

4-Emily J. born 1873

5- Levi V. born 1875 married Vanora M. Miller born 1882

6- Minnie born 1877 married1895 to John T. Mathison born 1864

Angeline Reid born

1839 married 1855 AA. Jackson Coulter born 1831 William J. 1841 LW> Jones Burkhalter 1850

Sarah Catherine Reed married William Lafayette Ates born 1852

Joe

Date: 3/22/99 5:59:12 PM Central Standard Time

From: FSFULMER

To: JBarron933

I received an e-mail from Ted Brandi in England asking for information on the Lott Family. Of the names he sent to me, I could not make a connection. I e-mailed him back names from my husbands family, and none of those were known to him. I did send on to him what I had in case he might make a connection at some future date. My husband's mother's maiden name was Lott. He sent me your name and e-mail address, and so I am sending on a few names to you to see if you can find a connection with something you might have.

Jesse Lott born about 1773-74 died 1812 Edgefield County, S. C. wife Jane Bettis

Elbert Lott born about 1795 married Fereba Bush children: Jese, Lucinda, Jane, Lewis Elbert, Martha, Emaline.

Laura Lott born 1870 died 1960 married Jesse Satcher

John Wilks Lott born April 13, 1879 married Willie Mae Fox - This couple was my husband's grandparents, his mother was Lucy Lott.

I have a little more information about these people, if you think it would be of help to you please let me know and I will send you a copy of what I have if you will send me your mailing address.

I hope we may be of some help to each other, I haven't had much luck finding people researching the Lott family.

Frances S. Fulmer (Mrs. Q. Jutson Fulmer, Jr.)

Date: 3/23/99 5:50:48 PM Central Standard Time

From: R2296

To: JBarron

On 11/29/98 Donnie Lott posted a message listing several Lott couples in Mississippi. I think it was a list of brothers and sisters and their spouses. One of the couples listed was Absalem B. Lott born Aug. 3, 1853 and died January 3, 1944. His wife was Sally married about 1873. I believe that my mother and I are direct descendants of that line and I would like to know more about it. My mother checked with her older siblings and they remember his name on the tombstone as being AB. They also remember her being called Sally. My mothers name is Myra Sue Lott. Her father's name is Edward Haywood Lott born Dec. 19, 1901 and died Feb 20? , 1952. His father's name is Walter Lott born in the 1880's and died in the 30's. Walter Lott's wife's name is Frances Matilda Meece. Walter Lott's father would have been AB or Absalem. We would like to know as much as possible about that line as far back as we can. Could you help us? Perhaps Donnie Lott would know and could help us link up with existing genealogies. Thank you very much for your help.

Karen Young

Date: 3/26/99 12:34:48 AM Central Standard Time

From: s.miklas@worldnet.att.net (Susan Miklas)

Hi, All,

I'm trying to catch up and find this discussion on Indian lore interesting for several reasons. Many years ago, when I started my family history research I corresponded with a lady in the Smith Co, TX Gen Soc. Among other things, she sent me this unsigned, undated and not notarized deposition. It was filed under the name Elbert Watts. I was just starting out and believed everything that everybody told me. I sent that to a lot of people before I found it didn't mean a thing.

Thomas Watts m Elizabeth Lott (dau/Absalom Lott and Martha"Patsy"{popularly called Martha Lightfoot}) Thomas and Elizabeth were my 3rd ggpts. My descent is through their youngest of 9 children, Bartlett S., his son Theodore S., his dau my gmor, Della Watts Davis.

In the early 1930's in Okla, where I grew up, my gmor was trying to prove that she was 1/8 Cherokee. She was only 1/16. I was under 10 at the time and loved the story but never asked for the details. My gmor was 1/16 and my gch are 1/356th. Big deal!! But, I would still like to prove whatever the tie is. Just because it is.

So let me know about Deshultz. I did a pretty thorough review in SLC last month on Lightfoot. Sounds Indian, but I found a well documented lineage in several places of an English family that emigrated to VA in 1600's. Maybe, I'm wrong on both possibilities, but I haven't given up. I looking into a Choctaw possibility now.

Sue Miklas

Date: 3/27/99 11:19:22 AM Central Standard Time

From: amoss@sunline.net (Arlina Moss)

To: jbarron933@aol.com

John, Maybe I didn't check closely enough, but I don't believe you have the following information or, at least, not from this source. This was found in the Mobile Public library:

" Interesting Transcript of the British, French, and Spanish Records of the City and District of Mobile State Alabama found in Probate court in two volumes in the City of Mobile 1715 10 1812 Volume ll with Index Prepared from the original data by the Municipal and Court Records Project of the Works Program Administration..1937. Note: The contents of this book were taken from the original book. All mistakes of spelling, punctuation, marked out phrases or words were copied as the original book appeared.

THE GOVERNOR GENERAL MIRO, TO JAMES GANIER To his Excellency Stephen Miro Colonel of Royal Armies, and civil and military Governor of the provinces of Louisiana and West Florida.

James Ganier who resides within the jurisdiction of Mobile with the most profound respect represents to your excellency, that there is a tract of vacant land of ten arpens in front, situated on the river Tombeckbee, and bounded on the North by lands owned by a man name Wales, and on the south by lands belonging to one Hogget, which said tract of land formerly was in possession of John Lott, but was abandoned by him in the year one thousand seven hundred and eighty, and has not since been occupied or claimed by him the said John, or by any other person in his behalf. ....."

The rest of the document asserts that Don Vizante Folch, commander of the Regiment of Louisiana, and civil and military commendant of the post and district of Mobile verified that the land was vacant. He received " information from a number of inhabitants of this place, well acquainted with the facts in the case ". Garnier was given possession of the tract of land for three years. Garnier was also told " this grant will be null and void, unless the said tract of land shall be occupied and cultivated within the period of three years, during which time the petitioner shall not sell.."

I hope all goes well with you! Arlina

Date: 3/29/99

To: amoss@sunline.net

CC: Lott Circle

Thanks, Arlina. I had not seen this source, but knew about the event depicted and it just provides further conformation of the Lott family's Tory affiliations during the Rev. War. In my paper on the Colonial Lotts on the web page, I noted that John Lott (b 1720?) fled Georgia for British West Florida at the start of the war. When American ally Spain seized the area in 1780, son Absalom Lott signed an allegiance pledge, but John apparently would not and evidently went back east. He seemed to suffer no ill consequences, although I feel sure that the Georgia land had been confiscated, but have not found any record of such.

The document that you found makes it sound like the Lott property was close to Mobile on the Tombigbee River, but in fact it was described elsewhere as 105 miles distant from the town. It was surely the very same tract of land that John Lott (b 1742?) came to and reclaimed about 1805 on the Pearl River after the Louisiana Purchase.

Another piece of the puzzle put in place. Thanks.

John Barron

Date: 3/30/99 9:38:34 AM Central Standard Time

From: PetiboneL

To: JBarron933

In a message dated 3/29/99 8:40:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, PetiboneL writes:

I must have worked on this computer a little too long yesterday. This note that I sent to you did not pertain to Mobile. In addition, I have the file from the Archives on Capt.Thomas C. Lott, s/o Joel Lott and Rhoda Davis. (Georgia) Killed CSA, Second Manassas August 26, 1862. There are quite a few pages. If interested in this information, let me know and I will mail it to you.

Judy (Petibone)

<< Subj: Re: Lott near Mobile

Date: 3/29/99 8:40:46 PM Eastern Standard Time

From: PetiboneL

To: JBarron933

Hello John and list,

I have been away from genealogy for almost a year and am trying to get back in step. I found a CD today that I had misplaced and decided to check it out. It is Military Records: U.S. Soldiers 1784-1811. I did of course check for Lott and got two names and the following information. This is from record group 94 at the National Archives in case anyone wants the records. I plan on ordering them shortly and if they have anything at all I will let you know.

Judy

The Lott entries are:

John Lott

Buchanan's Co.

1 Reg't.

U.S. Levies

(Lieut. Col. Darke)

1791-1792

Private

William Lott

Hannah's Co.

1 reg't.

U.S. Levies

(Lieut. Col. Darke)

1791-1792

Private >>

Date: 4/6/99 8:03:20 PM Central Daylight Time

From: McCall@nettally.com (McCall, Dan)

To: jbarron933@aol.com (John G. Barron)

Hi John,

My name is Dan McCall. I see from your homepage that you and the others in the Lott Circle have done much research on the Lott family in several states. My wife is a descendant of the Lott family that lived in Hancock Co, GA in the mid 1800s, possibly earlier, to the early 1900s. I have traced her ancestry from her grandmother Carrie Lee Lott, b 1888 in GA, to George Lott, b. 1857 in GA, to James Lott, b. 1832 in GA.

James Lott, his wife Sallie and sons Francis(Frank) and George are listed in the 1880 census of Hancock Co, GA. I saw in one of the messages on your homepage that Robert Lott was listed in the 1820 census of Hancock Co. I found information indicating that John Lott, b. 1742 had a son named Robert, b. 1771-1780. George Lott, b. 1857, had a son listed in census records as Bob W. Lott. Don't know how or if they may be connected.

My research thus far has been limited to census records and what I have been able to pick up from the internet. I wanted to check to see if you or any of the people in the Lott circle might have any information on any other children or the ancestry of James Lott, b 1832 in GA. Any assistance will be greatly appreciated.

Dan McCall

Tallahassee, FL.

Date: 4/10/99

To: McCall@nettally.com

In a message dated 4/6/99 8:03:20 PM Central Daylight Time, McCall@nettally.com writes:

<< I saw in one of the messages on your homepage that Robert Lott was listed in the 1820 census of Hancock Co. I found information indicating that John Lott, b. 1742 had a son named Robert, b. 1771-1780. George Lott, b. 1857, had a son listed in census records as Bob W. Lott. Don't know how or if they may be connected. >>

Hi Dan. I routed your message to the Lott Circle group and hopefully some can be of help to you. I will add your name to the list if you like.

The Robert, son of John Lott b. 1742, came to Mississippi Territory with his father and brothers about 1805. As far as I know, Robert Lott lived there the rest of his life. Don't know about the above George.

John Barron

Date: 4/11/99 10:19:21 PM Central Daylight Time

From: McCall@nettally.com (McCall, Dan)

To: jbarron933@aol.com (John G. Barron)

Hello John,

Thanks for passing my message on to the Lott Family circle. I'd be glad for you to add my name to the circle. I don't have very much information to contribute but, maybe I can learn something more about the line I am researching. In looking back at my message, I see that I didn't give you all of the information I have on the line I am researching. My wife's grandmother was Carrie Lee Lott, b 1888 in Ga. Her father was George Lott, b. c1857 in Ga, married Frances(Fannie) Burgamy, George's father was James Lott., b. 1831-2 in Ga, married Sallie ?.

I found James Lott, wife Sallie ?, sons Francis(Frank) & George in the 1880 census of Hancock Co., Ga. I have not found any of them in any earlier Ga census, even though they seem to have been born in Ga. Haven't been able to ascertain the parents or other children of of James Lott. One source I found shows a Jessie Lott, b. 1803, Married Anna E. Norris and had a son named James D. Lott. It didn't show the parents of Jessie Lott, or any information on James D. Lott, or say if they lived in Ga. I wrote to the lady who posted the item but, I haven't heard from her yet. At this point. that is the only lead I have.

Maybe this additional information will enable someone in the circle to identify this line of the Lott family. Your assistance will be appreciated.

Dan McCall

Date: 4/14/99 1:11:34 PM Central Daylight Time

From: s.miklas@worldnet.att.net (Susan Miklas)

To: Dan.Lott@nrlssc.navy.mil (Dan Lott)

CC: JBarron933@aol.com (John Barron), joe@lottfamily.com (Joseph Lott)

Sorry, Sue

R W Watts (Robert Watkins) "Wad"

Born: 22 June 1825 Died: 2 Oct 1902

Married: Bathsheba Lott(dau Abraham)

Ch: Thomas

William G.

Idale

Martha

Mary

Artimisia

Anzie

R W Watts

Born: 1827--Living in 1860 Census in Covington Co, next door to John and Penelope Fam # 309/310

Married: Bathsheba Lott(died bef Abraham's Estate Settlement)

Ch: John b 1849

Daughter b 1852

Married 2nd: Elizabeth 1854

CH: William b 1855 (twin)

Patience b 1855 (twin)

Martha b 1867

(others aft 1860 census)

Date: 4/14/99 4:31:23 PM Central Daylight Time

From: s.miklas@worldnet.att.net (Susan Miklas)

To: Dan.Lott@nrlssc.navy.mil (Dan Lott)

CC: JBarron933@aol.com (John Barron), joe@lottfamily.com (Joseph Lott)

Hi, Don,

Is the following person the R W Watts that you attribute to William and Patience Watts? Both William and John are sons of Thomas and Elizabeth Watts, who are my 3ggpts. Naturally, I am anxious to get my direct line straightened out. Your proof may be better than mine.

Wm and wife had 4 sons and 4 daus. I have 2 daus and 4 sons, incl RW. I keep wondering why either Wm or John would have a son, Robert. Does your Proof? indicate any reason?

Thanks, for your help.

Sue Miklas

Date: 4/16/99 9:26:51 PM Central Daylight Time

From: Pat@PatMcClendon.com (Patricia Darlene McCLENDON)

To: JBarron933@aol.com (John Barron - LOTT Circle), psyclone@netdoor.com (Chuck Lott)

Hi Chuck,

I forgot to tell you about John Barron's "LOTT Circle":

The LOTT Circle mailing listed hosted by John Barron (e-mail: JBarron933@aol.com).

Later,

"Pat", Patricia D. McClendon, MSSW, CSW

PatMcClendon.com at URL: http://www.PatMcClendon.com

Pat@PatMcClendon.com

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----- Original Message -----

From: Chuck Lott <psyclone@netdoor.com>

To: Patricia Darlene McCLENDON <Pat@PatMcClendon.com>

Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 9:40 PM

Subject: Re: Lott

> Thanks so much for your speedy reply. I will gather info and forward it to

> those you suggest.

>

> My father was Charles W. Lott, Sr. July 4, 1913, Marion county, MS

> His father was Carson Lott.

>

> Seems as though were are descended from two brothers who were wagon masters in

> the "early" years.

>

> There is also Indian blood in our line, but we could never prove it.

>

> Thanks again.

> Charles (Chuck)

>

> Patricia Darlene McCLENDON wrote:

>

> > Hi Chuck Lott,

> >

> > Thanks for dropping me this note.

> >

> > Joseph N. Lott (joe@lottfamily.com) and Daniel F. Lott (dflott@datastar.net)

> > compiled my LOTT lineage for me with a little, I mean little, information

> > from me. See URL: http://www.patmcclendon.com/lott.html

> >

> > I'm forwarding this message to them and other LOTT researchers that I'm

> > related to. They probably have most of the research done!

> >

> > Let us know who your parents are, your grandparents, etc. along with

> > appropriate dates. Also, include your mailing address and phone number so

> > that the local LOTTs can contact and/or visit you.

> >

> > Also, see URL: http://www.patmcclendon.com/mylineage.html

> >

> > I have LOTTs on both sides of my family tree:

> >

> > "Joe", Joseph P. (Parker) McCLENDON (March 9, 1857 - June 22, 1933). "Joe",

> > Joseph P. first married Julia LOTT, who was 1/4 Indian. They had the

> > following children: Chester Eugene McCLENDON, John Edward McCLENDON (who is

> > in my direct lineage, see marriages, below), Leoter or Leota (married

> > Richard Cowart), Henry Monroe McCLENDON, and Minnie Belle (married James

> > Warren MIZELL).

> >

> > -- snip --

> >

> > My mother, who I did not know, Geraldine HATHORNE (Feb. 22, 1932 - Nov.6,

> > 1964) was the daughter of Sarah ("Sallie or "Sally") Elizebeth LOTT (April

> > 16, 1911 - Sept. 6, 1994, born in Sandy Hook, MS) and Truman HATHORNE (Dec.

> > 18, 1907 - Oct. 3, 1974, born in Taylorville, MS). They had three other

> > children: Robert David, Janet Sue, and Brenda Sue.

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: Chuck Lott <psyclone@netdoor.com>

> > To: <Pat@PatMcClendon.com>

> > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 6:31 PM

> > Subject: Lott

> >

> > > I am beginning a genealogical search of my Lott relatives. My name is

> > > Charles W. Lott, Jr., born in Columbia, MS (Marion County.) I notice

> > > that you also have a Lott relative. I would appreciate any info you

> > > might have on the Lotts.

> > >

> > > Thank you,

> > > Charles W. Lott, Jr.

Date: 4/25/99 12:10:47 PM Central Daylight Time

From: BandB4951

To: Mik MP

CC: JBarron933

Sorry, if I said Cicero HATTEN....it was his father, my great, great grandfather, Lawrence M. HATTEN, son of Frances Lucretia LOTT and wife of Absalom LOTT. Lawrence HATTEN was the husband of Frances Elizabeth GRISHAM, daughter of Elizabeth Ann FORD and Jehu GRISHAM, and it was Lawrence M. HATTEN that was wounded and taken POW in the Civil War at the Battle of Nashville, after fighting in the Battle of Franklin, also in TN, right outside of Nashville. Then he was take to POW camp, Camp Chase, where he died after a period of incarceration.

Okay...now, I'll finish your email and get back to you....just wanted to correct my error that was probably made at 4:00 AM. Thanks.

Bellinda Myrick Barnett

Date: 4/30/99

To: kathy5879

Kathy, I moderate an on-line group who study the southern Lott family. We store our results on my web page which can be accessed by clicking on the following: John Barron's Home Page .

I invite you to review my page for information on your Jesse Lott. If you will go to the "Index to the Descendants of John Lott" and check the 3rd Jesse, I think you will find the man that you described. This Jesse was born earlier than you think, however, and was the son of John Lott (b 1742) and Sally (Lightfoot?). He is named in his fathers will and probate in Washington Co., Miss. Terr. in 1808. He and his brothers lived in Marion Co., MS, for some time, but he seemed to leave about 1820.

Let me know and I will add your e-mail to our list.

John Barron, Austin, TX

Date: 5/1/99 12:07:51 PM Central Daylight Time

From: Kathy5879

To: JBarron933

Could your Jessie be my Jessie? After the permission granted to travel in the Creek territory in 1806, we have him operating the first ferry between Leakesville and Citronelle in 1811. Married to Levicy Williams in 1825 and possibly to another Williams woman before that, 12sons and 6daughters. Their son Thomas married Eran Malone. That marriage produced a daughter, Melissa Lott who married Oren Edwin George and they had a daughter Bertha George who married William Thomas Odom and they were my grandparents. We have most of the sibbling info for each of these marriages. Thanks for your earlier mail and I look forward to hearing from you again. My sister in MS and I are glued to your web site. Kathryn Odom Brown

Date: 5/3/99 10:51:38 AM Central Daylight Time

From: Lee_Lott@msnd.uscourts.gov

To: jbarron933@aol.com

John,

My name is Lee Lott. Recently I started investigating the Lott

portion of my family tree, and a Dan McCall from Tallahasee, Florida,

told me that you have organized a Lott family circle that researches

and discusses Lott genealogy, especially those who moved from Georgia

and Florida to Mississippi and Texas.

My great-grandfather Gus Octavus Lott lived in Macon, Georgia, (Bibb

County) in the late 19th and early 20th century. (The middle-name

might be spelled Oktavus.) Is he in your records by chance? I'm not

sure where he was born, but I do know that some, probably all, of his

children were born in Macon: Grace, Gus, Clarence Lee (my

grandfather), Tillie, and (I think) William. There was a sixth child

whose name escapes me. Gus Octavus Lott's wife was Lena Belle Ryals.

Gus Octavus Lott was a railroad engineer.

I'm sorry if my query is vague. I am just getting into genealogy. If

you can give me any pointers, I would sure appreciate it.

Thanks, Lee

Date: 5/21/99 8:03:11 PM Central Daylight Time

From: Kathy5879

To: JBarron933

Sorry for the delay. I have that Jesse Lott (~1775) married possibly two Williams sisters(maybe sisters!) The one named Levicy he married in 1825 and she died Feb 9, 1864. Jesse had 12 sons and 6 daughters. Probably some by each wife. The children I know of are: Thomas (the youngest) m. Eren Malone(daughter of Griffin Malone and Harriett George-her second marriage, Monk was her first); Elisha; Benjamin; William; Elizabeth; Washington; Riley. Thomas and Eren had: Melissa Lott m. Oren Edwin George; Thomas "Bud" Lott; Denny Lott; Civil Lott (Melissa was the only one to marry). Melissa and Oren George has my grandamother Bertha George Odom (m. William Thomas Odom). Bertha and W. T. were both born in 1896. They had: William Harold Odom(9/21) m. Anita Louise Ratcliff ; Charles Leon Odom(11/24) m. Jean Peters; Clyde Lebarron Odom(27) m. Dorothy ?; Melissa Mae(30) m. Wm. Ridgway. William Harold is my father.

I have, as I am sure you already do, that Elizabeth Joyner is probably part of the Joyners that go back at least to 1595 in Bere Regis, Dorset, England. It is not exact as some records seem to have her marrying John Lott in 1720 and some in 1740. Some list her parents as John Joyner and Elizabeth Brown and say she was born in 1724, others list her parent as unknown and her birth at around 1700. She certainly is in the right place at the right time and there weren't too many people there at the time. One message from Tom Joyner says that Thomas Joyner shipped out of England on the Dorset in 1635. He also mentions that Elizabeth married John Lott and puts her birth at around 1690. The above mentioned John Joyner's parents were Thomas Joyner and Elizabeth Leadgen, in addition to the son John they have a daughter Elizabeth in 1685. I am still cruising all the boat manifest I can access here at home to see if I can find any Lott's or Lotte's or whatever and try to make a connection.

About the John(3) m. to Sally ? Most that speak of this marriage are convinced she was Sally Lightfoot. An "author" who shall remain nameless even told me that he had proof and that she is buried in a cemetery in Telfair county, GA. Well that peaked my interest since I have a home in the next county. When I told him I would like to visit the grave he changed the subject and never gave me the location even though I repeatedly asked. He also said that none of John and Sally's children existed except Mark. He was an only child and that all the Lott's in MS had black blood in them. He said that there was no truth to the family rumor that she was a Cherokee from NC. She was from a very distinguished family from England and he had proof. I knew after our telephone conversation that I was dealing with someone who wasn't interested in the facts, rather, he was interested in painting a rosy picture for the clients who hired him to trace the line. And some people pay for this kind of info. I did go look at his book and was not impressed. I prefer to be entranced by the rich background of people who were not privileged and who had downs, as in Montgomery Co, Ga when Jesse Lott and his sons and brothers lost all they had at tax sells. Jesse then moving south in 1806. I adore crying over the still-births, the cavalrymen, the adventures who seem to drop down like manna with no history with them. There are few officers in all my lines, no money to speak of, some preachers some promiscuous. That's what gives us a story.

Enough of that, about Lightfoot. She seems to fit in to Armistead Lightfoot m. Anne Burwell in 1737. Sally is supposed to be born in 1740. I am looking for the children of that union. Armistead's parents were: Phillip Lightfoot and Mary Armistead Burwell all in VA. The line continues to 1562 in Northhampton, England in Stoke Brueron to a Richard Lightfoot m. Jane Jones. She is the daughter of Capt Roger Jones. The names are beautiful but they may not fit us at all. I am content that my Jesse is the son of John(3) that you mentioned in your earlier e-mail. I did not send this CC because I would prefer you to edit out anything old or erroneous and let me know if anything here is new and I will send you my info before we get into the debate with all else! Thanks for the ear, or is it eye!

Kathryn Odom Brown

Date: 5/22/99 5:27:19 PM Central Daylight Time

From: sherryb@snydertex.com (Sherry Merritt)

To: jbarron933@aol.com

Hi John, I noticed you had tried to contact a researcher concerning Elizabeth Lott Martin Faircloth.

She is my ggg grandmother and I would like to learn more about her ancestors. I have heard and seen all the rumors of Choctaw heritage and if you could see my grandmother (still living at 94) and my daughter you would not have to wonder if there was American Indian ancestry back there somewhere.

If you are interested in exchanging information I would be glad to share what I have.

Regards, Sherry

Date: 5/25/99 1:45:36 PM Central Daylight Time

From: BandB4951

To: JBarron933

Hi, John,

The Armistead LIGHTFOOT that Kathryn mentions in this email would be, according to my major LIGHTFOOT researchers that I have spoken with, most likely, the brother Phillip (3) LIGHTFOOT, the father of Martha Jane Dorsey LIGHTFOOT, son of Phillip (2) LIGHTFOOT and Mary ARMISTEAD whose first husband was BURWELL. And just recently I have been in contact with another woman who is tracking information on her ancestral grandmother, which I believe I sent you already.....Margaret Susannah LIGHTFOOT. Her father pops up in Antigua with his family a few years after Phillip (3) was speculated to have passed away at a young age in Virginia. His name is, also, Phillip LIGHTFOOT and after living in Antigua for several years with his wife Susannah ?? and several children they moved to Georgia and then abt. 1830 Margaret Susannah LIGHTFOOT (KOCH/COOK-CLARKE) died in Alabama. So, the trail and time frame are the same. She, also, married in 1781 the same timeframe as Martha Jane and Absalom and she named her only daughter by her second marriage Martha.

Bellinda

Date: 5/27/99

To: Lott Circle

This is a very interesting record. According to "The Lott Family Newsletter" (vol 2, #4), the listing additionally said grand jury: Arthur Lott (born NC) and Simon Lott (no birth info given); petit jury: William Lott (born NC) and Arthur Lott Jr. (born GA).

I'd like to hear comments on the identity of the above men. My take on them is Arthur (b NC) and William are brothers (sons of John b c1720). This was the Arthur killed by the Indians when the whole clan moved to MS Terr. the next year. Simon and Arthur Jr. are sons of the older Arthur. The Arthur Jr. is the one who eventually settled in Smith Co., TX.

John Barron

Date: 5/27/99

To: cpk1@widomaker.com

In a message dated 5/27/99 10:48:46 AM Central Daylight Time, cpk1@widomaker.com writes:

<< How would I subscribe to the Lott family newsletter? >>

Susan, the Lott Family Newsletter was published in the mid 1980s by Carroll Ainsworth McElligott (present address unknown to me). There were 3 volumes and it may can be found in some large genealogy libraries or through a Family History Center.

John

Date: 5/27/99

To: RW_Lott@nwcc.cc.ms.us

Russell, I saw your "roll call" in the Lott mailing list and would like to exchange information with you. I moderate a group of on-line researchers who study the southern Lotts and would like to add you to the list. We store our results on my web page which can be accessed by clicking on the following: John Barron's Home Page

In your listing, you showed Nathan Lott (who married Dicey Watts) as the son of John3 Lott (b 1742). I would be interested in your evidence for such a lineage. This Nathan has always been a mystery to everyone and has been normally assumed by most researchers to be the son of Nathan (son of John2 b c1720) though I've never seen any evidence one way or another.

My reason for being skeptical of your conclusion is that the children of John3 (except for Mark and I'm not convinced he was his son) are listed in the probate records from Washington Co., MS Terr. Do you think that your Nathan also stayed in Georgia and was also omitted for that reason or have you other evidence?

My records show Nathan first in MS Terr in Dec 1811 along with the Arthur Lott (killed by the Indians) and his brother William's group. Prior to that he had been in Georgia with them and the older Nathan who may also have come west. Let me know what you think.

John Barron, Austin, TX

Date: 5/29/99

To: wbmoore@crosslink.net

In a message dated 5/29/99 4:29:46 PM Central Daylight Time, wbmoore@crosslink.net writes:

<< I agree with your analysis re William and Arthur, but who was Simon? >>

Bill, Simon and the one listed as Arthur Jr. are of the same generation and I think they're brothers. They both lived in Marion Co., MS, from 1812 till after 1830. The Arthur is my ancestor who came to Texas c1841 and settled in Smith Co. Simon is something of a mystery as I don't recall seeing anyone listing him in a family or showing his family. I know he married Nancy McAfee and there were some children in the household in 1830.

John

Date: 5/30/99

To: rlott@insolwwb.net

Rick, you know from my Lott Circle messages what a stickler I am for accuracy and sources. On the Lott Genforum you made several statements about the Lott family that I tend to dispute, but would like to know your sources for your conclusions. These are as follows:

1. John Lott was born around 1715-1720 in Edgecombe Co., NC and died around 1810 in Tattnall Co., GA.

Edgecombe County was not created until 1741 so this is incorrect plus I have seen no records that show the whereabouts of our particular Lott family prior to about 1734 when John Lott (b c1700 and father of the one you show, I think) showed up in Bertie Co. with the Joyners. I've seen this death date and location before, but think it to be pure speculation from Folks Huxford's work. Do you have a source for it other than Huxford?

2. Elizabeth Joyner was born in 1724 in Isle of Wight Co., VA.

I believe she was from an earlier generation born about 1700 and the mother of the John you show since her brothers were grown men in 1734 and created land records with John Lott in Bertie Co.

3. They had a son named Jesse, but he died in SC in 1779.

I think Jesse Lott was the son of John (b c1700), but that is also speculation unless you have found evidence to document it. He also didn't just die, he was hung as a Tory during the Rev. War.

4. Several of John Lott's children settled in Marion Co., MS about the time of the War of 1812.

Arthur, Nathan and William went to Miss Terr. in 1811, but brother John died there in 1807.

Don't mean to be argumentative, but am interested in your findings.

John Barron

Date: 5/30/99 1:51:53 PM Central Daylight Time

From: rlott@insolwwb.net (Rick Lott)

To: JBarron933@aol.com

John, I was simply passing along information I received from Joe Lott. See the attachment. I reread your stuff on your web site, and I believe your dates are probably more accurate. Joe also has my aunt Johnnie listed as my father. I need to get him the correct info on my grandpa George Herbert (not Herman) and his family. You'll see that Joe has Jesse Lott as son of John and Elizabeth and that Jesse married Sarah Frederick. The specificity of the wife's name suggests that Joe has a fairly adamant source. In case you don't have his email address, it's joe@lottfamily.com. I respect your insistence on accuracy, and as a prof. and desultory scholar myself, am rather chagrined at my own casualness in this matter.

Regards, Rick

Date: 5/30/99 5:45:45 PM Central Daylight Time

From: Lucbick

To: JBarron933

Arthur's son Thomas W. Lott had a son named Simon who married Texie Newsom in Marion County, MS. It would be reasonable that he would name a son after his uncle.

Lucy

Date: 5/31/99

To: sherryb@snydertex.com

Sherry, I read with interest your message on the Lott family. I moderate a group of on-line researchers who study the southern Lotts and would like to add you to our list. We store our results on my web page which can be accessed by clicking on the following: John Barron's Home Page .

My ancestor, Arthur Lott b. 1788, died in Smith Co., TX, in 1854. He was the son of Arthur Lott who was killed by the Indians in 1812 in Miss. Territory. His sons and brothers lived in Marion Co. and Covington Co., MS. Both the older and younger Arthur had brothers named William and Nathan. These names, along with John, Absalom, and Solomon were common in this line and each family group seemed to have sons with these names which makes research on them very daunting. One thing about your Elizabeth that is puzzling, however, would be her marriage in Georgia, when the rest of the family had already gone to Miss.

All Lott descendants think they have Indian blood. I believe these legends stem from a half breed Indian who called himself John Lott (among other things) who signed the Treaty of Dancing Rabbit in 1836. There was also an Art Lott who scandalized the family by having 9 children by an Indian woman who lived in Melba, MS, in the 1850s.

John Barron, Austin, TX

Date: 6/2/99 12:11:24 PM Central Daylight Time

From: BandB4951

To: JBarron933

Re: The information you sent from Kathy

The Armistead LIGHTFOOT that she speaks of as the probable father for Sally/Sallie LIGHTFOOT, would be the brother of the Phillip (3) LIGHTFOOT that is most likely to be the father of Martha Jane Dorsey LIGHTFOOT. They were sons of Phillip (2) LIGHTFOOT and Mary ARMISTEAD whose first husband was BURWELL. I, also, have just yesterday, found a Virginia Dorsey LIGHTFOOT in the Goodrich LIGHTFOOT line a few years after Martha Jane, I believe. Goodrich was from the line of Captain John (1) LIGHTFOOT, brother of Colonel Phillip (1) LIGHTFOOT who came over from England together. There are about 3 or 4 marriages, so far, that I have found between DORSEY and LIGHTFOOT and the ARUNDEL connection to DORSEY and LIGHTFOOT, by virtue of the ARUNDEL family members buried in the same church as the Reverend Richard LIGHTFOOT and his wife, Jane JONES, daughter of Captain Roger JONES.

Phillip (3) LIGHTFOOT who married Susannah ? was reported in many instances as having died at a relatively early age about 1747 with only one son, Francis LIGHTFOOT who died as an older teenager. But the info that I received from the descendant of Margaret Susannah LIGHTFOOT indicates strongly that she descends from this Phillip (3) LIGHTFOOT and Susannah that would have moved to Antigua around the time that people have presumed him dead. He is, also, the Phillip LIGHTFOOT that the LIGHTFOOT researchers believe is Martha Jane Dorsey LIGHTFOOT's father and it appears that there is a brother, Richard LIGHTFOOT as well. It looks most likely that Phillip (3) LIGHTFOOT would have been a sugar plantation owner but could certainly have been in the business of import/export very easily there as his father was the major merchant of Virginia. I have been in contact with one of the museums in Antigua to see what information they might have in their files. They have responded and are currently investigating and will get back to me when they have something.

Bellinda

Date: 6/2/99 6:17:41 PM Central Daylight Time

From: bat@cyberport.net (Bill Tucker)

To: Jbarron933@AOL.COM

I'm very new to this genealogy thing, and the records that I have inherited are pretty full of inaccurate information.

I am descended from Nathan Lott and Dicey Watts. My "inherited" records show that this Nathan was the son of Arthur Lott, husband of Deshulto. However, in trying to carefully read the info on your web page, I think this is incorrect. Arthur did have a son named Nathan, but I don't think he's the one who married Dicey Watts.

It seems to me that Nathan (who married Dicey) was the son of Nathan (born aboout 1760) who was the son of John and Bethany?

Could you please tell me if I am correct? Why did they give all their children the same name? It's very confusing.

Thanks for your help and for your website--It has been most helpful!

Ann Heath Tucker

Date: 6/2/99 8:49:59 PM Central Daylight Time

From: stoii@juno.com (shirley l. lindeen)

To: JBarron933@AOL.COM

Hi John. Thanks for the info. I want to continue to remind everyone that in the late 1700's when the Lightfoots were marring into different families that the female was full blood, which means that the white man Lightfoot married a full blood Indian making the children 1/2 blood, so a son from this group had to marry a full blood Indian woman. There were no Lightfoots enrolled on the finial Cherokee roles and their was one male who made application in the Eastern Band Cherokee with the family name Lightfoot. I haven't had time to research his file or the Agency Records. As you may know it would contain his whole family history.

Joe

Date: 6/3/99

To: rlott@insolwwb.net

In a message dated 5/30/99 1:51:53 PM Central Daylight Time, rlott@insolwwb.net writes:

<< John, I was simply passing along information I received from Joe Lott. .... You'll see that Joe has Jesse Lott as son of John and Elizabeth and that Jesse married Sarah Frederick. >>

Thanks, Rick, I can see you know your way around a peer review. Joe is one of my oldest members in the Lott Circle. He is very open to suggestions and corrections and understands that almost everything about the early Lotts has to be concluded from the preponderance of evidence. He doesn't always agree with my conclusions, however, which is fine.

That also goes for the Frederick connection. To my knowledge it is supposition stemming from the fact that two Fredericks men witnessed a legal record of Sarah, widow of Jesse Lott. Sounds like a pretty good conclusion to me too.

John

Date: 6/3/99

To: sherryb@snydertex.com

In a message dated 5/31/99 1:55:37 PM Central Daylight Time, sherryb@snydertex.com writes:

<< If "John Lott" did in fact sign the Dancing Rabbit Creek Treaty, what name did he use or at least what name is he thought to have used for I have read the treaty many times and scrutinized the names carefully without finding any name which I thought could be him. >>

Sherry, thanks for the info. I forwarded your message to the Lott Circle mailing list and I'm sure it will get some response. I added you to the list if that's ok.

As to the above treaty signing, I sort of mis-spoke and should have said "reputed to have signed it." In fact most of the what we "know" or think we know about the early Lotts should be prefaced by this admonition. This man is not on any list of treaty signers that I've seen either. He had an Indian name too (that I can't recall right now), nor is that name or anything like it on the list either.

John Barron

Date: 6/3/99

To: bat@cyberport.net

CC: Lott Circle

In a message dated 6/2/99 6:17:41 PM Central Daylight Time, bat@cyberport.net writes:

<< It seems to me that Nathan (who married Dicey) was the son of Nathan (born about 1760) who was the son of John and Bethany? >>

Arthur (killed by the Indians) Lott did have a son named Nathan and he along with the two that you indicate above were all in Marion Co., MS, 1812-30. Arthur's Nathan married Martha Fulgham and can be differentiated from the others on the census by his great wealth (in slaves).

Most people think (as I do) that the Nathan who married Dicey Watts was the son of the Nathan that you show above. To my knowledge there is no evidence other than place and time to support this, however. The older Nathan was apparently the son of John (John #2 in my paper on the colonial Lotts on my web page), but his mother is in dispute. The Bethany shown in 1795 deeds must have been a second wife of John since he was not shown as having a wife in the 1760 land grants in St. George's Parish.

Hope this helps. I will put you on our mailing list and send your message to the Lott Circle.

John

Date: 6/3/99

To: stoii@juno.com

In a message dated 6/2/99 8:49:59 PM Central Daylight Time, stoii@juno.com writes:

<< in the late 1700's when the Lightfoots were marring into different familes that the female was full blood >>

Thanks, Joe, I routed your message to the group, but I must say that I have never seen an actual marriage from this time period between a white man and an Indian woman. I don't believe any of the legends concerning mixed blood children from the Lotts as they were just too prominent a family except, perhaps, the one about Art Lott and his common law Indian wife in Melba, MS. I don't know what to make of the story of a John Lott who supposedly signed the treaty of Dancing Rabbit as there is no evidence to go on from the time period. I appreciate your work and hope you can help get to the bottom of the legends and solve them one way or the other.

John

Date: 6/3/99 11:40:02 AM Central Daylight Time

From: stoii@juno.com (shirley l. lindeen)

To: JBarron933@AOL.com

John, I think where the great misconception of our ancestors, that would lead our circle in error is the controlled history of this country. Mostly these early years has been written with great falsehood and a miss understanding of how these Indians lived and how progressive they were. I think many of the Lotts dismissed the idea of their ancestors being Indian because of being farmers and being quite successful. I had thought of writing to the Lott Circle an article on how progressive these people were in the farming. If one had studied Indian History in early trade agreements with these Indians you could almost contribute 60% of today's food groups back to this country developed by the American Indian, mostly exported to England and then to other Europe places, such as the potato 8 different varieties and many other of the veg. food groups. And with the white influence marring into the Indian population came with the idea of slavery and many of these mixed blood families TN.,N & S Carolina, GA, Ala, had slaves, and these are well defined in the five tribes of the south as freemen, which was slaves of these mixed blood Indian families, and they are listed caring the Lott Family name, Cherokee Nation, Creek, Simole. As I have said before there is no denying that the Lott family was and is enrolled in the Creek Nation and Simole. And many of these mixed blood farmers within the Nation became very well healed, and it seems that they moved along with the white side of the family. Many Lotts came into the Oklahoma Indian Territory as early as 1828, and received land and payment listed on what is know as early settlers role. As for the Treaty of Dancing Rabbit Creek no Lott signed this treaty. I have spoken with the History and Culture Dept. of the Mississippi Choctaw. Charles Absalom Lott has been identified as an Indian owning his own land in MS. I have agency records in Nathan Lott's own words identifying his Father as Arthur Lott and mother as O K Sel De hu Lto and descents. And many Watts give testimony to these facts. Arthur Lott is described as being 1/2 Blood Cherokee and his wife a full blood Cherokee, making Nathan almost full blood. I am sure a great deal of these Lott families know of their Indian Heritage in MS. But because of the stigma that has been laid upon the Indian I fear a lot of this information will be with held. I am trying to research these Creek Lotts who came from Georgia to find out exactly what part of Georgia they came from during the removal days. Need Help. If any one would like to help research agency records and live near a National Achieves, I would be happy to help guide them in this research. A great deal of these records are very hard to read and do not copy well.

Joe

Date: 6/3/99

To: stoii@juno.com

In a message dated 6/3/99 11:40:02 AM Central Daylight Time, stoii@juno.com writes:

<< I have agency records in Nathan Lott's own words identifying his Father as Arthur Lott and mother as O K Sel De hu Lto and descents. >>

Joe, thank you for the info. The question is which Arthur and Nathan these are. They couldn't be the Arthur (killed in 1812) as his son Nathan died c1846 in Marion Co., MS. It wasn't the Arthur from Marion Co. who married Harriet Wheddon and come to Texas. It wasn't the Arthur son of Solomon since his children have been found by Gloria Lott. Sue Miklas thinks it was an Arthur son of John Lott (born 1742) who is not listed in his probate from 1807 and she also thinks this is the Art Lott with the Indian wife that lived in Melba, MS, in 1850. I do too.

I would like very much to get a copy of the record that shows these names and the source. I will be glad to send postage and copy fees if you could send me a copy.

John

Date: 6/3/99 1:18:52 PM Central Daylight Time

From: BURNSDC

To: JBarron933

Sherry...

I have read your letter to John with great interest. I have material which may be on point. Unfortunately it is in my home files and I am at my office now. I will send you this material as soon as I can.

I have what appears to be an Indian version of John Lott's name. According to my paternal grandmother, he was her grandfather. My grandmother was also dark complexion, dark eyed and black hair. I suppose that this was not unusual at that time and place. Still, there is a seeming coincidence here that I will follow.

Don Burns

Date: 6/3/99 1:42:32 PM Central Daylight Time

From: vherrin@medicine.umsmed.edu (Vince Herrin)

To: JBarron933@AOL.COM

Hi, John,

I've corresponded with several Lott Circle members about Nathan Lott and Dicey Watts Lott, but wanted to remind the group as a whole that a book is being done on their descendants (which now is at about 1,000 pages); if anyone is related to this line or has info, I can tell you if your name is in the index. If not, your addition to the information will be greatly appreciated. After reviewing local records, oral info from family, etc.(including some info from Carroll Watts, who had extensive notes on the family), the list of children we're working from differs a bit from that on your site, so I'll name them here:

1. Catherine Lott (ca.1801-1884) md. (1) Joshua Lott; (2) Solomon Herrin

2. William Lott (1804-1886) md. Mary Bryant

3. Absalom N. Lott (1806-1887) md. Elizabeth Williamson

4. John Lott (1809-1844) md. Sarah Aultman

5. Sarah Lott (ca.1811-?) md. William Hinton Powell

6. Judith Lott (1812-1879) md. Willis Watts

7. Arthur Lott (1814-1885) No further info

8. Thomas Lott (1815) No further info

9. Mary Margaret "Polly" Lott (1819-1903) md. Winston Morris

10. Reuben Watts Lott (1822-?) md. Ruthie Rayburn

Any comments are welcome. Also, interested in tracking down one son of William Lott and Mary Bryant, Thomas Jefferson Lott (1856-1912) who married (1) a Holcomb and (2) Martha Robertson and moved to Ellis County, TX. We have a list of children, but no dates, spouses, or descendants.

Thanks, Vince Herrin

Brandon, MS

Date: 6/3/99

To: vherrin@medicine.umsmed.edu

Vince thanks for the info on Nathan and children. I guess the major difference is that I have William Lott (m Mary Bryant) as a son of Absalom. This came from Sue Miklas, but I can't find her listing right now. The other difference is I have a son John Arthur Lott and you show a John and an Arthur as separate. Seems like the census shows John A. Lott, but can't remember. What's your take?

John

Date: 6/3/99 3:52:09 PM Central Daylight Time

From: sherryb@snydertex.com (Sherry Merritt)

To: JBarron933@AOL.COM (John Barron)

John,

Please pass this on to all interested researchers.

Elizabeth Lott married Tandy Key MARTIN 30 Nov 1820 in Jackson Co. GA.

Elizabeth Lott was born re: 1850 census about 1804 in Mississippi.

On subsequent census, all of her children from this union reported the birthplace of their mother as MS and their father as Ireland. These children lived in different places and yet they are all consistent.

The family folklore which has been handed down is that Tandy Key Martin was closely associated with an Indian agent named George W. Martin. (It is thought though not proven, that they were brothers) Tandy was involved in trading with the Indians as well as farming. Tandy supposedly acquired Elizabeth Lott at about 11 to 13 years of age in some sort of trade with her father. (I'm not sure Elizabeth was full blood Choctaw) Anyway he took the girl back to Georgia to care for his ailing mother which is why he traded for her. She was schooled and cultured in "white" ways and he eventually married her when she was old enough and at that time listed her as white to avoid the social stigma of the time.

The children of Tandy Key Martin and Elizabeth Lott are:

Mary Ann b. Nov 1821

Robert Washington b. 3 Nov 1823

William Lott b. 25 May 1826

In 1911, Mary Ann gave the following testimony supporting her mother's ancestry:

The State of Louisiana:

Parish of Vernon :

Town of Leesville, LA :

Know all men by these Presents:

That I or we knew and do hereby testify Elizabeth Lott to be a Choctaw Indian and that she lived at Sabine Pa. now Vernon Pa. LA, 1836 to 1871 where she died the year of 1871 at the age of __. She was the daughter of William Lott and sister of Nathan, signed Elizabeth Lott was a native of Mississippi. Also that Mary Ann Carroll, William Martin, and Robert Washington Martin, Wiley Faircloth and Tom Faircloth to be her children all of whom lived in the aforesaid state and Parish.

Sig. J.B. McGee

Mary Ann Carroll

Attest:

F.A. Smart

John McGee

State of Louisiana :

Parish of Vernon : Subscribed and sworn to before me this 6th day of November, 1911

Sig: James Cavanaugh

Notary Public

(Wiley and Tom Faircloth were children from her second marriage)

The lineage that has been passed down is as follows and it comes from the book " The Smarts and the Martins 1714 - 1978" written by Edwin Jack Martin. It is also alleged that the Robert Washington Martin Bible (which is lost of course) confirmed this, as well as, giving Elizabeth's father's or grandfather's Indian name.

"Elizabeth Lott was a Choctaw Indian, daughter of William Lott who was the son of Dice Lott who was the daughter of John Lott an Indian chief who with other chiefs of the Choctaw Nation signed, in 1830 the Dancing Rabbit Creek Treaty by which the USA purchased the land comprising the Choctaw Nation (now the State of Mississippi) from the Choctaw Indians. Her father William Lott was said to have been chief of the "corn farmers", a lesser chief than his grandfather John Lott."

Though not new to genealogy, I have just begun serious research on the Lott's. I am happy to share what I have both verified and unproven folklore. I shall endeavor to make the distinction when corresponding.

I will say that were it not for the Indian familial features of so many of my relatives, I would be inclined to disregard the claims of Indian ancestry but I remain open to the idea unless I can prove conclusively one way or the other.

I will forward a picture of Elizabeth Lott and her son to John and I hope he will be able to pass it along to all who can receive it.

I am very glad to be a part of this group and welcome all info which give insight into this difficult and fascinating family.

Regards to all,

Sherry Merritt

Date: 6/4/99 12:37:15 AM Central Daylight Time

From: stoii@juno.com (shirley l. lindeen)

To: JBarron933@aol.com

John, Yes I will sent you my Lott records pertaining to Indians. I have been meaning to, but these records are very difficult to copy and I have needed them for reference as far as enrollment # and etc. And the Nathan I was speaking of his wife is listed as Dicey Watts and if I remember correctly his son John Arthur Lott married Sarah Aultman whose mother was also Watts and I believe Dicey's sister. John send me your mailing address. We will be out of town till Monday and then I will sent them off to you. But I would like to point out, that earlier researchers early 1940's and 50's hand written seem to be very concerned about this Nathan Lott. And there is a few sentences within the testimony of these Cherokee Applications that would make me rather suspious of this Nathan Lott.

Joe

Date: 6/4/99

To: stoii@juno.com

In a message dated 6/4/99 12:37:15 AM Central Daylight Time, stoii@juno.com writes:

<< And the Nathan I was speaking of his wife is listed as Dicey Watts and if I remember correctly his son John Arthur Lott married Sarah Aultman >>

Many thanks, Joe. This is the Nathan that Vince Herring wrote about with the new book being prepared. His father is thought to be the older Nathan born c1760 son of John born c1720.

If I lived closer to the Fort Worth Archives, I would love to help with the project. It's the sort of thing I like and am skilled at. I have a new CD in the works concerning an index to the 1867 Voter Registration of Texas that we hope to publish later this year. My address is as follows:

John C. Barron

Date: 6/4/99

To: vherrin@medicine.umsmed.edu

In a message dated 6/4/99 10:46:23 AM Central Daylight Time, vherrin@medicine.umsmed.edu writes:

<< I corresponded with Sue a few months ago about William Lott md. Mary Bryant, because you had her listed as the source for your info on your site. She says her list was largely based on where the children lived >>

Thanks Vince. That's what it looked like to me too, but just wanted to check it out. I'll change mine to your list of children with due references. I need to update my web page with many new changes, but the old cowardly programmer feeling keeps coming up: "don't change something that's working cause it may never work again."

John

Date: 6/4/99 10:18:33 AM Central Daylight Time

From: vherrin@medicine.umsmed.edu (Vince Herrin)

To: JBarron933@aol.com

John,

All I can say is that I've seen the reference to John Arthur Lott before, but the Bible record for him and his family simply lists his name as John.

Vince

Date: 6/4/99

To: vherrin@medicine.umsmed.edu

Vince, what do you think of the affidavit that Joe Davis claimed to have concerning Nathan with wife Dicey Watts as son of Arthur and an Indian woman? I haven't seen it and feel sure it's c1900 and hearsay like the others, but he said it was in Nathan's own words. Have you seen this document?

John

Date: 6/4/99 1:45:49 PM Central Daylight Time

From: vherrin@medicine.umsmed.edu (Vince Herrin)

To: JBarron933@aol.com

I haven't seen it; I've had no clear idea of who Nathan's parents were. Your theory on an older Nathan being the father is as good as any I've seen; the only downside to that is it provides no siblings for Nathan (md. Dicey). Nathan aside, I'd still give anything to know who Sarah Lott Herrin's parents were (the one that married Shepherd, because I do not believe Nathan and Dicey fit the bill).

When I asked if you'd forwarded "that message" to the Lott Circle, I meant the one about the Nathan Lott book and the list of his children. (I didn't get a "CC" copy). I assume that you did, however, because I got a question about it from another Lott Circle researcher this AM.

Thanks, Vince

Date: 6/4/99

To: vherrin@medicine.umsmed.edu

In a message dated 6/4/99 1:45:49 PM Central Daylight Time, vherrin@medicine.umsmed.edu writes:

<< I'd still give anything to know who Sarah Lott Herrin's parents were (the one that married Shepherd, because I do not believe Nathan and Dicey fit the bill). >>

My guess is she was the daughter of Arthur (killed by the Indians). I did send your message on Nathan's family to the circle, but forgot to send you a copy. Sorry.

John

Date: 6/4/99 10:46:23 AM Central Daylight Time

From: vherrin@medicine.umsmed.edu (Vince Herrin)

To: JBarron933@aol.com

Sorry to send you piecemeal responses--can't get my thoughts organized today. I corresponded with Sue a few months ago about William Lott md. Mary Bryant, because you had her listed as the source for your info on your site. She says her list was largely based on where the children lived, i.e., who lived close to whom. I don't think that this necessarily means anything, because there were so many Lotts; Nathan's family seemed to be centered around old northeastern Marion County, which is now Lamar County near the town of Sumrall. Sumrall is 6-7 miles from present day Marion County, and just 100 yards or so south of Covington County, thus there are a few counties represented when one looks at where the children lived. Sally that married the Powell appears in Perry County, which in the old days included Forrest County and is just a few miles EAST of Sumrall. Anyway, most of the local descendants of William and Mary think they're descended from Nathan.

Vince

Date: 6/4/99

To: BURNSDC

CC: Lott Circle

In a message dated 6/4/99 5:56:36 PM Central Daylight Time, BURNSDC writes:

<< I print 90% of the information and am working on overlays and grids to try to capture the past in its three-dimensional complexity! >>

Don, this is great. Keep us informed on how it's progressing. I've tried something of the same thing with mixed results by using a spreadsheet with dates down the page, first names across, and general locations such as states as the third dimension composed of colored bullets in the cells. Each different location the family was found in was a different color.

John

Date: 6/4/99 5:42:12 PM Central Daylight Time

From: mikerowe@gmi.net (Russell Lott)

To: JBarron933@aol.com

File: D_M_Lott.txt (32342 bytes)

DL Time (32000 bps): < 1 minute

<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">

John,

Thanks for you inquiry and apologies for my delay in responding. Now that summer's here, I've been out-of-pocket quite a bit. I'm just now catching up on the postings of the last three weeks to the RootsWeb Lott-list and related e-mail.

To answer your questions, first I've got to explain that I'm not a professional genealogist by any means. I have worked on my genealogy off and on (mainly off) for 20 years. Most of my early efforts were done B.C. (before computers). Only recently have I begun to get serious about my research on the Lott line. As such, I would appreciate greatly anything you could throw my way to clean up and clear up what I've put together, so far.

As to Nathan Lott who married Dicey Watts, I got frustrated years ago when I could not connect my great, great-grandfather Absalom Nathan Lott (b: Feb 28, 1805 in GA d: Dec 27, 1887 in Harrison Co, MS) with any of the then published genealogies. However, a few months ago I corresponded with Ann Lott Denton in Memphis who was able to share with me a list of Nathan's children. This gave me my connection to Nathan. (By the way, this Absalom is buried in my home community, east of Wiggins, MS in what is now Stone Co.)

Not long after, I did a GENDEX Surname Search and found a link to Dianne Marie Lott's published genealogy. It contained Nathan and Dicey and their ancestors. I have relied on this as the branches needed to fill out my tree.

I have not corresponded with Dianne Marie Lott and I confess I've misplaced my note of that http address to her link. Do you know her or have you had any correspondence with her? I did download the text of her genealogy and would be happy to send it to you. (If fact I'll go ahead and attach it to this post in ASCII format. See Generation 9-11.) I have no idea what kind of evidentiary support she has. I'm anxious to know what you think of it.

Also in this week's mail, I received this from Joseph Lott:

Date: 6/5/99

To: mikerowe@gmi.net

CC: Lott Circle

Russell, I added you to the list and routed your message to the group. I have corresponded with Diane Lott and at one time had her e-mail address. I don't think she's in the Lott Circle, however, and would like to get in touch with her.

Finding Lotts among the Indians is like finding bigfoot: worlds of legends and hearsay, but no real evidence. I am more convinced than ever that it primarily stems from the actions of Art (Arthur?) Lott of Melba, MS, that so scandalized the family that it was whispered about for generations and finally "sanitized" into the stories that we now see circulating. These stories and legends were believed by later generations which accounts for many of the Lotts enrolled as Indians.

What you have to consider is that the Lotts were straight out of "Gone With the Wind": the real southern aristocracy before and for some time after the move to Ms Terr. Those generations of Lotts had state legislators, judges, and county officials who would be just as interested in avoiding scandal then as they would be now.

While there certainly were Indians living among the whites who were successful and highly thought of, there is no question that there always was a stigma attached to children of mixed races. And whether we like it or not, I can assure you that this stigma still exists in East Texas and throughout the South. I know this is a touchy subject, but one that needs to be addressed. I would love to have some more comments and opinions from the circle.

For now I challenge anyone to come up with a document that is not hearsay evidence concerning Indian lineage. The affidavits that I have seen such as those to the Dawes Commission for enrollment are all hearsay, i.e., the person signing the affidavit is giving testimony about an event that someone else told him about and not something that happened to him. This sort of testimony would not normally be allowed in a court case. We need material dated in the early 1800s at least to be contemporary with the actual events, which is asking a lot, of course.

John Barron

Date: 6/4/99 5:56:36 PM Central Daylight Time

From: BURNSDC

To: JBarron933

Thank you, John. I really appreciate all of your work on this circle. I print 90% of the information and am working on overlays and grids to try to capture the past in its three-dimensional complexity! UI haven't had a chance to work on my own family materials for months, but I hope to get around to it soon. Several of our colleagues out there have very close "cross-overs" to my family. This is the fun and the excitement of the effort.

Keep up your splendid efforts!

Don Burns

Date: 6/5/99 2:55:14 PM Central Daylight Time

From: Mik MP

To: JBarron933

CC: Mik MP

Hi John,

There are 18 known Creek Lotts listed on the Dawes Roll on Nail, Nara on the internet. There are also many more Lotts enrolled in the Seminole Tribe, on Nail, Nara on the internet, now, that I know of.

These Lotts are all proven enrolled members of the Creek and Seminole Nations, their census cards are on Nail.

You wanted my thoughts,and here are the facts, thanks. Vernell Mancuso

Date: 6/5/99

To: Mik MP

CC: Lott Circle

Thanks, Vernell, I didn't mean to imply than none of the Lott enrollees were legit. I know there were a lot of them and I expect some Cherokee and Choctaw too. I was focusing on the John Lott descendants who settled in Marion/Covington Co. Obviously if the Art Lott in question is indeed related to John and he did have an Indian mistress, then his children would be eligible too.

I do think, however, that many people were included on the Indian rolls on the basis of hearsay testimony. This is fine with me, but I would like to have a little better evidence for making conclusions about family relationships if I could get it.

John

Date: 6/5/99 3:57:22 PM Central Daylight Time

From: BURNSDC

To: JBarron933

John....

Well put statement re Indians and Lotts. As a lawyer, I completely agree with the need for evidence, hard as that may be to find. In fact, after this much time, we may never find conclusive evidence of a Lott connection.

Yet the folk lore is fascinating. So many totally disassociated people seem to be coming up with paralleled stories, or versions. To get to the truth is going to be difficult (as you know so well) but worth the chase.

Keep issuing the challenge. Perhaps someone will get mad enough to dig just a little deeper into his/her "attic" and come up with a diamond.

Don Burns

Date: 6/5/99

To: BURNSDC

In a message dated 6/5/99 3:57:22 PM Central Daylight Time, BURNSDC writes:

<< Yet the folk lore is fascinating. So many totally disassociated people seem to be coming up with parallel stories, or versions. >>

Thanks, Don, I'll pass your comments on to the group. I agree the stories are intriguing and so widespread that there has to be something to them. This is also true for the related Watts family.

John

Date: 6/5/99 8:25:21 PM Central Daylight Time

From: mikerowe@gmi.net (Russell Lott)

To: joe@lottfamily.com (Joe Lott)

CC: Lott Circle

Hi, Joe:

Thanks for writing and apologies for the delayed response. It's good to hear from you again. Since your message week I joined John Barron's Lott Circle mail-list and have been buried in his archives trying to get up to speed by reviewing the 1997-8 posting archives on his web page. I see a lot of the old controversies still remain.

I'm intrigued by your announcement that you've inserted Arthur Lott in the lineage between John and Nathan. Specifically, what caused you to come to this conclusion? Furthermore, what support do you have for moving Nathan's birth year to 1785?

Possibly these questions were addressed and debated in recent Lott Circle posts. If so, I would greatly appreciate it you could forward me some of the more pertinent exchanges on this topic.

A couple of days after your message arrived I received a somewhat surprising (to me, at least) post from John Barron questioning John, Jr. (John3) as Nathan's father. He asserts that Nathan c1781 (or 1785 as you claim) was the s/o Nathan s/o John2, and that this has been assumed by most researchers.

I realize that I still somewhat behind the curve, but I didn't know that this Nathan's parentage was considered a mystery. Can you help bring me up to speed on this matter, as well.

Russell Lott

Senatobia, MS

Date: 6/6/99 3:56:28 PM Central Daylight Time

From: rlott@insolwwb.net (Rick Lott)

To: JBarron933@aol.com (John Barron)

John, I've looked at the NARA, NAIL stuff on the Creek Lotts. I don't agree that their enrollment was based on hearsay: 1) the gov. doesn't hand out free land and money to anyone who puts up his hand, 2) from the digitized forms I looked at, those Lotts were living in Indian Territory and were identified as members of specific bands. They apparently were admitted straight to tribal citizenship. However, their membership in the Creek, etc., Nation makes only THEIR descendants Indian, not their antecedents. Further, any connection between the Indian Terr. Lotts and the So. Miss. Lotts is at best, so far I as know, conjectural. So the mystery of our Lotts' Indian lineage is pretty much unrelated to the presence of some Lotts on the Dawes Roll. IMHO. Rick

Date: 6/6/99 6:22:06 PM Central Daylight Time

From: Lucbick

To: JBarron933

John I have some things that I have copied at various libraries. I imagine that you have them all but in case you haven't I am sending them along to you.

Thank you for all your coordination.

Lucy

Is Mary Heard Williams in the Lott Circle? She had an inquiry in the CGGS Quarterly I found in the Macon, Ga Library. Her address is 5800 Earl Dr., Lincoln, NE 68505-2321. Her inquiry :

John Lott b- ab 1742 Dublin, NC, son of John & Bethany (Joyner) Lott, d - Jul 1810 Talfair Cty, GA. Known children; Mark m-Delilah Jones, Arthur d- 182 & family moved to MS,

Need parents and siblings of James Lott b - ab 1803 GA., d - 1850 Hinds Co, MS, m - Ann E, Norris b- 1905 SC, daughter of Luke and Ellender (Edmondson)Norris.

Book: Family Heads 1805 Georgia

Lott, Arthur, Tattnall Cty, Murdered in 1812 by Indians

Lott, John Sr, Tattnall Cty, s/o john

Lott, Robert, Tattnall Cty, s/o john, Moved to MS

Special publication No 40, Index of Revolutionary War Pension Applications n the National Archives, Bicentennial Edition, National Genealogical Society, Washington, D.C., 1976

Lott, Jacob, N. J. S5709

Jeremiah, Cont., Pa, S33380

John, N. J., S4566

John, N.J., S1106

John, VA, S18089h

Passports Issued by Governors of Georgia 1810-1820 Page 81--Mon 19th February 1810

On application ORDERED

That pass ports be prepared for the following persons to travel through the Creek Nation of Indians, to wit --

...........Solomon Lott, Asberry Harri and James McArthur, the former with his wife, five children and three negroes, and the latter with his wife and one child, and one for Martin Winsett from the County of Warren, in this State- which were presented and signed..

Passports Issued by Governors of Georgia, 1785-1809

Page 268, Saturday 7 November 1807. On recommendation ORDERED

That a passport through the creek nation be prepared for James Taylor, John Lott Senr, William Williams and Samuel Newton, with their families, which was presented and signed.

Page 316, Monday 9th January 1809 ORDERED

That a Passport through the Creek Nation be prepared for Robert Lott, Amos Lott, Stephen Lott, and William Sharp--which was presented and signed.

Passport issued by Governors of Georgia 1785-1820

To His Excellency John Milledge

Sir

Jno Lott Junior having expressed to us a wish to travell thro-the Indian nation and wishing to obtain a Pass port--- We take the liberty of recommending him to you as an honest Industrious worthy citizen----

5th Dec, 1805

Arthur Lott

David Glenn

Thos Davis

Abner Davis

(On reverse)

recommendation in favor of Jno Lott Junr, for a Pass Port thro the Creek nation. Order taken 6th Dec, 1805

(John Lott Jr, was of Tattnall County L. F. H.)

Passports of Southeastern Pioneers 1770-1823

STATE OF Georgia, Jefferson County

Executive Department, Monday 9th November 1807

On recommendation ORDERED That a passport through the Creek nation be prepared for James Taylor, John Lott Senr, William Williams, and Samuel Newton, with their families which was presented and signed.

There was an Arthur Lot, along with Daniel Lot, listed as original settlers of Bullock County, Georgia

Jesse Lott was of Montgomery County, Georgia

.

North and South Carolina Marriage Records from the earliest colonial days to the Civil War.

Lott, Arthur and Sarah Bus, 23 Dev 1841, Edgefield District, S.C.

Lott, Eliza and Spencer Elmore, 1 Dec 1836, Edgefield District, S. C.

Lott, Sarah and Stephen Whatley, 1 Nov 1841, Edgefield District, S. C

Copy of the Original Index Book showing the Revolutionary Claims filed in South Carolina between August 20, 1783 and August 31, 1786

Entry Book pages Names Nos. Returns

32 Lott, William 3

Lott, George 9, 95

Lott, John 10

Lott, Joshua 48

Territorial Papers of the United Stated, Volume VI, The Territory of Mississippi, 1809- 1817

Petition to Congress by inhabitants of the territory (HF:12 Cong., 1 sess:DS} Referred December 27, 1811

To the Honble the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States in congress assembled..............................

And your petitioners will ever pray &

...............John Lott, Arthur Lott, William Lott, William Lott sen, Nathan Lott, John Lott Jun

Memorial to Congress by citizens of Pearl River (Hf:14 Cong., 1 sess.::DS) September 1, 1815

To the Honorable the Senate, and House of Representative of the United States in congress assembled, We the under signed memorialist, Citizens of Pearl River, Mississippi Territory. ............................Cherrfully submit.......September 1, 1815

Simon Lott, Arthur Lott Sr, Nathan Lott Jr, Nathan Lott, Sr, Absalom Lott, William Lott Jr, Elisha Lott, Wm W. Lott, John Lott Jr, Sollamon Lott

Petition to Congress by inhabitants of the territory (DF:14,1 sess:DS) Referred December 26, 1815

Section 6 of Subscribers to Petition Joshua Lott, Joshua Lott, Jacob Lott. Lewis Lott, John Lott, Jn Lott

Confederate Grave Registrations A - L by Betty Couch Wilshire, Heritage Books Mississippi

Lott, A. J. 27th Ms Inf 1844-1918 Covi Covi

Lott, Aaron G. 28th MS Cav 1838-1899 Monr Carr

Lott, Aaron J. 30th MS Inf Carr Carr

Lott, Calvin 4th MS Cav 1829-1890 Covi Covi

Lott, Cullen 46th MS Inf 1844-1918 Cove Covi

Lott, D. C. F. 9th MS Cav 1843-1903 Perr Perr

Lott, Dock 27th MS Inf 1845-1920 Covi Covi

Lott, Darling 27TH MS Inf 1841-1865 Jone Jone

Lott, J. J. 2nd MS Inf 1830-1915 Carr Mont

Lott, James 9th MS Inf 1835-1905 Ston Ston

Lott, Jesse 27th MS Inf -1877 Covi Covi

Lott Jesse C. 42nd MS Inf 1833-1909 Carr Carr

Lott Jim W. 27th MS Inf 1846-1920 Covi Covi

Lott, John L. 27th MS Inf 1835-1865 Covi Covi

Lott Nathan 7th MS Inf 1837-1912 Mari Mari

Lott, Nathan 27th MS Inv 1825-1898 SC Lama

Lott, S. A. Turners Lt. Art. 1835-1920 Jasp Harr

Lott, T. D. 7th MS Inf 1842-1891 Covi Covi

Lott, Thomas W. 3rd Alcorns Brig 1834-1927 Mari Mari

Lott, W. A. 27th MS INF 1844-1889 Covi Covi

Lott, William 9th MS Cav 1826-1899 Covi Covi

Lott, William M. 27th MS Inf 1825-1882 AL Covi

Lott, William R. 27th MS Inf 1834-1909 Perr Perr

Lott, Willis 27th MS Inf 1840-1911 Covi Covi

Marion County Cemetery Book

Blackburn-Carter Cemetery Location: NE1/4 S33 (or NW1/4 S34) T6N R17W, four miles southeast of Bassfield

Thomas W, Lott

Newspaper Notices of Mississippians 1820-1860

Lott, William F. Married to Miss M. E. Hall, June 13, 1852, Raymond Hinds County Gazette, June 17, 1852

1825 Tax List, Marion County, Mississippi, auditor's records, Volume 67, MS Dept of Archives and History, Jackson

Lott, John Sen

Lot, John

Lott, Simon

Lott, Solomon

Lott, Arthur Jun

Lott, Nathan Sen

Lott, William

Miscellaneous Records of Southeast Mississippi, Book 1

Lott, John Jr, to Samuel Simpson for #350 a tract of land, Lot No 1, Sarrah Lott, wife of John Lott, Jr, voluntarily relinquished claim of dower on tract of land. Recorded April 26, 1826

Colonial Soldiers of the South 1732-1774

South Carolina Militia

List of Colonel John Chevillette's Battalion of South Carolina Militia in the 1759 Cherokee Expedition, Reported on June 6, 1760

Pay roll of Captain Alexander Shaw's Company, under the command of Colonel John Cevillette

..................

Solomon Lott

Military Commissions issued by the State of Georgia, 1754-1774

................

Lieutenant John Lott, comm Mar 21, 1767, (Sixth (or Buckhead Company), Second Regiment, Augusta Division)

Colonial Families of the Southern States of America (settled in the Colonies prior to the revolution).

Lott, Bessie

Hattie

Madeline

Margaret

Sallie

William Hardy

William S

Index to War of 1812 Pension Files, Volume II: J-Z

Lott, Alexander, Catherine,WO-5126, srv Capt Gilbert Seamans' & Lt Dutch's NY Mil

Baltus, SO-23800, srv Capt Henry Vanderbrugh's CO NY as a Pvt

Charles F, Eliza M., WC-145509, srv as Surgeon's Mate in Maj Samuel I. Reed's & Capt John Larrabee's Co's NY Mil

Ellis, Aabigail, WO-7951, srv Capt Park's Co GA Vols

Hewlett, Maria, WC-22435, srv Capt R. Carman's Co NY Mil as a Pvt

John R. (Sub for William A. Baird), WO-7785, srv Capt Voorhees' Co NY Mil

John S. , SC-6499, srv Capt Michael Skidmore's Co NY Mil as a 2nd Lt

Joseph, SC-24305, srv Capt Joseph Camp's Co PA Mil as a Lt

Robert, Martha, WC-28286, srv Capt Z. Buckmast's, Capt E. Jefferie's U Capt Cockrell's Co's VA Mil as a Pvt

Solomon, Martha, WX17867, srv Capt William Spencer's Co MS Mil as a Pvt

William, Ruby A., WC-27695 . SC-23398, srv Capt Musselman's & Capt Van Denburgh's Co's NY Mil as a Pvt

Date: 6/7/99 10:30:07 AM Central Daylight Time

From: bfreeman@usit.net (Beverly Freeman)

To: JBarron933@aol.com

John,

Sorry to be so uninformed, but could you explain this to me in more detail?

"Finding Lotts among the Indians is like finding bigfoot: worlds of legends and hearsay, but no real evidence. I am more convinced than ever that it primarily stems from the actions of Art (Arthur?) Lott of Melba, MS, that so scandalized the family that it was whispered about for generations and finally "sanitized" into the stories that we now see circulating. These stories and legends were believed by later generations which accounts for many of the Lotts enrolled as Indians."

Just what kind of scandal was Arthur Lott involved in? When and where was this Arthur born? Where did he live? Who were his parents?

Thanks, Beverly

P.S. My daughter brought her computer home this past weekend and I was able to look at much of your web page. Excellent work!

I'm hoping for a bigger, newer, easier to use, computer soon. Sure would make research and searching the web easier.

Date: 6/7/99 2:45:20 PM Central Daylight Time

From: ttellem@netins.net ( ttellem)

To: JBarron933@aol.com

Mr. Barron, During your research have you ran into yhe Lott-Lett crunch before? It is giving us a little concern. Were the Lotts on the Dorsett out of England? The names of John Lotts Boys match a family of ours perfectly. Perhaps we are all fortunate that the Letts went generally N;& the Lotts tended to stay South, Any comments, please. Also I enjoyed your article, everyone doing research should read it, This Sr-Jr thing is a bear. Thanks, Mel LETT

Date: 6/7/99 5:00:47 PM Central Daylight Time

From: wbmoore@crosslink.net (W. B. Moore)

Reply-to: wbmoore@crosslink.net

To: JBarron933@aol.com

John

Most of the children of this couple applied to the Daws Commission claiming descent from Arthur and Deshulto and William and his full blood Cherokee wife. Also I sent you thr old manuscript given me by Joe Davis that confirmed this and included listing of their children and a description of a trip to Mississippi.

Bill Moore

Date: 6/8/99 11:04:05 PM Central Daylight Time

From: sherryb@snydertex.com (Sherry Merritt)

To: JBarron933@aol.com (John Barron)

In looking through the archives, I saw that a family of Coalson's and Fikes' testified to the Indian descent of the Lott's in Mason Co. TX. Does anyone in the group know anything about their connection.

Not only is Elizabeth Lott my ggg grandmother but the C. Coalson who signed the affidavit is my gg grandfather.

I would especially like to know where these folks were from before coming to Mason Co. TX.

Thanks, Sherry

Date: 6/12/99

To: mikerowe@gmi.net

In a message dated 6/6/99 4:59:21 PM Central Daylight Time, mikerowe@gmi.net writes:

<< I probably should have asked earlier, but what kind of protocols have you established for the Lott Circle mail-list? I gathered from your archives that it was acceptable to send a message to an individual list member >>

Russell, it's a pretty loose group with no stated rules. The only problem is that people keep coming and going from the list, so it seems to work best to send general comments to me and I will pass them on. Individual messages to members of the group are up to you, of course.

Hope you've enjoyed the debate. I sort of painted myself into a corner up on my soapbox then had to leave town for the week. Maybe we can get something going again soon. I expect to have more time to devote to the web page soon and will post more archived messages.

John Barron

Date: 6/16/99 6:21:28 PM Central Daylight Time

From: hlcarrell@home.com (Bud Carrell)

To: jbarron933@AOL.COM

I found your wonderful page on the genealogy of the Barron and Lott families--what a lot of great work! I have read most of it (it took a loooong time), and is still doesn't answer my question. Our Lott great grandparents appeared out of nowhere, born to unknown. It seems like they should hook up with yours but I can't figure out where.

So here's my question: I have Joseph S(teven?) Lott, b. 1/17/1864, m. Nannie C. maiden name unknown, but a widow(?) surnamed Rogers with at least two children when she married Joseph. She was born 2/28/1861. No birthplace for her either. No marriage date or location but one of their children, Caroline Mae (Callie), was born in Polk Co., TX, 5/19/1892. She wasn't their oldest. Joseph Lott d. 2/28/1918 and Nannie d. 6/24/1927. They are both buried in Dearden Cemetary, Hill Co., TX.

As I said, Joseph certainly seems like he should fit in this line somewhere. They seem to have lived mostly in Hill, Polk, or Johnson Co. No one has located a family bible or any other documentation. Might you be able to help? Thank you very much!

Pat Carrell

Date: 6/16/99

To: ttellem@netins.net

In a message dated 6/7/99 2:45:20 PM Central Daylight Time, ttellem@netins.net writes:

<< Were the Lotts on the Dorsett out of England? The names of John Lotts Boys match a family of ours perfectly. >>

Thanks, Mel. I have had some problem with the Lott/Lett name mixup. A Reuben Lett was in St. George's Par., GA, when my Lotts were also there. Never been sure about him.

I don't know when the first Lotts came to VA, but it was before 1654. A widow Lett also had several sons with the "right" names in VA, e.g. John, Arthur, Robert, etc. I'd like to hear more about name match that you refer to.

John Barron

Date: 6/16/99

To: wbmoore@crosslink.net

In a message dated 6/7/99 5:00:47 PM Central Daylight Time, wbmoore@crosslink.net writes:

<< claiming descent from Arthur and Deshulto and William and his full blood Cherokee wife. Also I sent you the old manuscript given me by Joe Davis >>

Thanks, Bill, I'll have to dig this one out. There were two different Nathans that married girls named Dicey. Nothing's ever easy about Lott research, is it.

John

Date: 6/16/99

To: StCasey36@aol.com

CC: Lott Circle

In a message dated 6/15/99 12:39:04 AM Central Daylight Time, STCASEY01@worldnet.att.net writes:

<< Mama wants to know if she's the oldest living Lott descendant. >>

Sandra, what a good question. Maybe the Lott Circle can give us some more older living descendants. What is your mother's age? My aunt, Theresa Barron Spencer, who is a granddaughter of Elizabeth Lott from Smith Co., Tx, is 93. She was born Dec 15, 1906.

John Barron

Date: 6/17/99 8:32:09 AM Central Daylight Time

From: bat@cyberport.net (Bill Tucker)

To: JBarron933@AOL.COM

I have a cousin, Willie Blanche McDonald Delk, is the Great-Great

Grandaughter of Solomon Herrin and Catherine (Katie) LOTT. She will be 94

the 27th of August

Date: 6/17/99

To: Lott Circle

In a message dated 6/7/99 10:30:07 AM Central Daylight Time, bfreeman@usit.net writes:

<< Sorry to be so uninformed, but could you explain this to me in more detail? ... Just what kind of scandal was Arthur Lott involved in? When and where was this Arthur born? Where did he live? Who were his parents?

>>>>>>>>>>>

Not to worry, being kin to the Lotts means we are all uninformed about the family to a large extent. I don't know who Art Lott of Melba was, but I think he may have been a son of John (b 1742) [should have said Absalom & Martha]. He was not mentioned in the probate of this John in Washington Co. in 1807, however, which is not a good sign. He may have been the son of "Old" William Lott who came to Marion Co., MS, in 1811. We need to work on this problem and also to find Art on the census or other real record. The tale has somewhat of a "feel" of legend to me, but it is closer to the time by some 100 years and does not appear to have been generated by the family but the community. I think much of it is believable.

I am including the full text of the document that I have on Art Lott and will put it on my web page as time allows. Sue Miklas sent it to me years ago, but I have never really followed up on it. I think he is the Arthur who was the father of Nathan Lott who applied for Indian citizenship and who was referred to extensively by Joe Davis. I feel sure that the family was "scandalized" by the actions of this man and the tale endured for generations until it became the often cited legend of "Indian blood" in the Lott family.

=======================================

This document was provided by Sue Miklas. It is from WPA Records in the Archives at Jackson, MS. It is not clear to me just what the heading means, John C. Barron

610 - Melba, Jeff Davis County

FEC

Frances Griffith

Atlas

Melba, (.... alt., 50 pop.), it is a small agricultural settlement on State 42, eight miles northwest of Sumrall, and six miles west of Bassfield. It is a flag stop on the Mississippi Central Railroad. Because it is so near the county line of Lamar and Jeff Davis Counties, it is often placed In Lamar County, but it is really in Jeff Davis County. The county line is one mile east of the town.

This is a typical rural community with farming its chief occupation. Mail is received from Bassfield, and banking is done at Sumrall.

The homes are crude country dwellings of from three to five rooms, all wooden structures. The town is much the same as it was after the War between the States, and the customs are practically the same.

History

The community of Melba was established near the period of the War between the States. The exact date is not known, but it is thought about 1863. It was first known as "Lottstown" named for it's founder, but no such title was ever registered.

In about 1904, the Mississippi Central Railroad was built through that section, and soon after that more settlers began to move there.

When the Lotts first moved to Melba they bought up a large tract of land and homesteaded a portion of it. Lott later sold some of it to a family of Finns, who later built a large store there and at a still later date, named the community for his little daughter, Melba.

Melba was the center of the Newman's Lumber or logging camp, in 1904 and 1905, and small mills operated at this place until about 1915, however, these mills were not responsible for establishing the community. The Mississippi Central Railroad achieved that. In the early days there was a cotton gin and naval store plants, especially a turpentine still which employed a large number of men.

Melba's founder, Art Lott, and his common-law wife have been dead for years and no record was kept of actual events occurring at this place, however, many interesting stories are told by residents who once lived in that community.

Many of the residents moving to Melba at a later date believed Art Lott to be of Indian descent. Bearing out this assumption, was the fact that Art Lott always wore a shawl about his shoulders and a big hat. He was never known to sit in a chair, or sleep in a bed, but squatted Indian fashion, on his legs. He was a man of very few words and neither he nor his wife ever showed the least signs of affection, although they were the parents of nine children. Lott and his wife were said to have always been on the "outs" with each other, and Lott lived with one of his older daughters who was married while his wife resided with one of the sons. Years after these children grew up and established homes of their own,.they endeavored to persuade their parents to make their martial union legal, but this idea did not take so well with Lott, who was a man with a very strong will power, and finally when the neighbors decided to take the situation in hands Lott moved from the old log homestead with the clay chimney, and kept on the move from one community to another until public sentiment died down, however, according to old residents the half-breed did not trouble himself further to legalize the union and he and his wife were said to have died years later -- she at the age of 65 and he 78 -- without ever having visited a minister. The refusal of the man to marry the woman with whom he had lived for 50 years, and who was the mother of his nine children, caused a feud to start that lasted for years.

Date: 6/17/99

To: hlcarrell@home.com

CC: Lott Circle

In a message dated 6/16/99 6:21:28 PM Central Daylight Time, hlcarrell@home.com writes:

<< Our Lott greatgrandparents appeared out of nowhere, born to unknown. It seems like they should hook up with yours but I can't figure out where.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Pat, I have put your name on the Lott Circle mailing list and I am so glad you made contact. The Lotts who came to early Texas have always been a real mystery, but I feel sure that I have come to a resolution of it.

John, Arthur, and Robert A. Lott came to Washington Co. in what was then Mexico and now Texas about 1835. They were sons of John born c1760 who listed them in a deed of gift in Washington Co., Ms, c1808. I think this John was also a son of the John b c1742 in NC.

Your Joseph was the son of Stephen F. Lott who was a son of the above Arthur and Harriet Whiddon. The attached descendant chart shows this lineage with documentation in text. I don't like file attachments, but it was too much to put in a message. I need to update my web page to include this info.

John Barron, Austin, TX

Date: 6/17/99 9:27:15 AM Central Daylight Time

From: bweigler@flash.net (bweigler)

Reply-to: bweigler@flash.net

To: JBarron933@aol.com

Hello -- I am Bertha R Weigler of Austin Texas-- My greatgrandfather was James Lott Miller (called "Lott") who was born in December of 1830 in Mississippi, grew up in Smith county and came to Texas with the family in the mid-1850's , first to Nacogdoches and then to Atascosa county. Lott Miller died in San Antonio in 1919 and is buried in the cemetary of Old Rock Baptist church in Somerset, Texas. Lott's daughter Rose (my grandmother) only lived on this earth for 84 years but her daughter , Emma Pauline Sherpey who was born in Atascosa county -- is recorded as being 4 years old in the 1900 census on the south side of San Antonio in the home of her mother and stepfather, John C F Roberts. She is still living in Paradise California with her 3rd husband ( a nice man who is quite a bit younger than she-- and takes wonderful good care of his beloved "Paula"). It has been several years since she received her 100^th birthday greeting from the President.

My only problem is that we haven't yet figured out exactly how we are related to the Lott family, although the name "Lott" pops up quite often in this particular Miller family.

Bertha

Date: 6/17/99 11:41:31 AM Central Daylight Time

From: mikerowe@gmi.net (Russell Lott)

To: JBarron933@aol.com (John Barron)

John,

I've begun reading up on the routes traveled by the early immigrants into the MS Territory. Do you have anything specific to the Lotts of 1800-1820 concerning the routes taken and the modes of travel used to reach the homestead settlements in Marion County?

I'd like to hear from the Lott Circle on this. Maybe they can share old family tales of what undoubtedly an arduous trek. Anybody got a few favorite book titles that documents this aspect of that era?

Russell W. Lott

Senatobia, MS

Date: 6/17/99 10:06:43 PM Central Daylight Time

From: sherryb@snydertex.com (Sherry Merritt)

To: JBarron933@aol.com

John,

On the question of the oldest living Lott descendant, my grandmother Janie Inez Martin Graham (g granddaughter of Tandy Key and Elizabeth Lott Martin) is 94 born 22 March, 1905

Sherry

Date: 6/17/99 6:08:09 PM Central Daylight Time

From: hlcarrell@home.com (Bud Carrell)

To: JBarron933@AOL.COM

This is more than I could have ever hoped for! Yes, it all fits justwonderfully. Now we have to fill in some of the blanks, which might still be difficult, but eventually possible. Thank you, thank you. I'll let you know about our Lotts up to the present day once I get them all.

Pat Carrell

Date: 6/18/99 8:15:57 AM Central Daylight Time

From: vherrin@medicine.umsmed.edu (Vince Herrin)

To: JBarron933@AOL.COM

I'm going to keep on the look out for even older Lott descendants, but my great-uncle Mark Broome, gg grandson of John and Sarah Aultman Lott, will be 95 on August 3. (And dove off a diving-board on his birthday last year).

Vince

Date: 6/18/99 11:10:58 AM Central Daylight Time

From: lbarron@fas.harvard.edu (Lucy Barron)

To: JBarron933@aol.com

Neat-o Daddy!

It is so great that you have all this data and can help people out. I'll bet it should be pretty easy to get some maiden names for Joseph's wife and mother through the death certificates. Surely one of Joseph's siblings lived long enough for one, if he didn't, and certainly his wife did.

Date: 6/18/99 2:32:24 PM Central Daylight Time

From: SallyMBU

To: JBarron933

Hi Sherry,

I looked at the enrollment of my Watts relatives from Mason Co., TX and Fikes was one of the witnesses for them too. I spoke with my mother and asked her if the Fikes family was related to the Watts family and she said that Aron L. "Babe" Turner, son of William Turner and Artimesia Watts was married to Carrie Fikes. She believes that the Fikes family and the Watts family were friends and neighbors, but did not remember if there were other marriages between the two families.

Sally

Date: 6/18/99 10:10:37 PM Central Daylight Time

From: Pedigo k

To: JBarron933

What luck! Last night I attended a seminar on genealogy so I could resume a hobby I put down 15 years ago. I happened to sit at a table where the expert helper was an old highschool classmate. I asked how to trace Indians, since there was supposed to be an Indian in the family. He asked what family, and when I answered "Lott", he knew just who I meant! Today my e-mail has several things he forwarded from your group, and it appears to be the same family. My husband Mike Pedigo is the son of Betty Joyce Lott, daughter of Wm. Ira lott, son of Nathan Lott, son of Nathan and Dicy Lott Lott. That's as far back in the Lotts as we know for sure, since that family kept sketchy records. I look forward to finding time to explore your site and fill in my "Generations" software!

Kerry Pedigo

Date: 6/19/99

To: ttellem@netins.net

In a message dated 6/16/99 9:21:18 PM Central Daylight Time, ttellem@netins.net writes:

<< John, I`m not familiar with the John, Robert,& Arthur names, Do you recollect what & where she was,time wise? >>

Mel, I can't seem to locate the earlier document that I found on Mary Lett and heirs, but did find another related one. It was as follows:

Beverly Fleet, Virginia Colonial Abstracts, vol 2, (Baltimore: Gen. Pub. Co., 1988), p 403.

King and Queen Co., VA, Land Patent Book 8, p 189 - 20 Oct 1691, Headrights: Edward Letts, Arthur Letts, John Letts, Eliza Letts, ... .

Date: 6/19/99

To: BandB4951

In a message dated 6/17/99 1:38:54 PM Central Daylight Time, BandB4951 writes:

<< Could you send me a GEDCOM file for John LOTT and Elizabeth JOYNER covering my Frances Lucretia LOTT route? >>

Bellinda, this is a 5.5 gedcom of the descendants of John and Elizabeth from my files using The Master Genealogist (TMG). I'm not sure how good it will translate into Family Tree Maker, however. The reverse doesn't work too well. TMG seems to have more event types defined than FTM plus is much more powerful when it comes to documentation and sources. Be especially careful or you will lose information on burials as this is (or was) not a defined event type in FTM.

By the way, I would like to get your best guess on the Lightfoot family connection to the Lotts. I haven't included any of them in mine yet.

John

Date: 6/19/99 7:39:33 PM Central Daylight Time

From: BandB4951

To: JBarron933

Thanks, John, very much. I have some GEDCOMs for LIGHTFOOT and HATTEN/HATTON, (the latter of which you probably have, that I have received from other HATTEN/HATTON relatives, but, of course, some that you may have corresponded with.) Of course, these do not have Martha Jane nor do they have the other possible children of the Phillip (3) where I think she fits. One of the LIGHTFOOT researchers, also, thinks that there is a good possibility she could be the daughter of Phillip (4) but not sure....more leaning toward (3) but everyone just trying to find out whether there is any documentation proving that he died at the time some descendants think he did. Because shortly after that time is when one Phillip LIGHTFOOT goes to Antigua with his wife, Susannah (no last name,) the same name as # 3's wife, Susannah (no last name,) and there is a daughter, Martha Jane, that appears to have been born on the board the ship or shortly after the family's arrival in Antigua. They left for Antigua in 1763, approximately, the time of Martha Jane Dorsey LIGHTFOOT's birth, and then several children were born while in Antigua including Margaret Susannah LIGHTFOOT, who married her first husband in 1781, same year M.J. poss. married Absalom, and who named her daughter by her second husband, Martha Jane CLARK. There is, also, a son, Richard LIGHTFOOT, (Richard being same as Rev. Richard LIGHTFOOT, father of John (1) father of Col. Phillip (1) and John (2) and Phillip (1) father of Phillip (2) father of Phillip (3).......the son of Phillip (poss. 3) and Sussanah, Richard born in Antigua. They look to be, also, related to Henry Benskin LIGHTFOOT, but appear to have lived there at a different time. Not sure, but it appears that they were probably there as sugar plantation owners and/or merchant/traders, import/exporters, and or shipping business. Not sure yet.

I will send over all I currently have on LIGHTFOOT in GEDCOMS and I am in the process of putting my GEDCOM file together with all my lines and will send just as soon as I have a somewhat comprehensive grouping of what I have put together....with notations regarding those areas that are not thoroughly proven and are basically still under investigation.

Thanks, again, for the info. Will get back with you shortly.

Bellinda

Date: 6/19/99

To: bfreeman@usit.net

In a message dated 6/19/99 8:22:46 PM Central Daylight Time, bfreeman@usit.net writes:

<< Am I correct that we do not have the names of, or any further information about his nine children? >>

Right except for the Nathan Lott that applied for Indian land.

Date: 6/19/99 6:26:44 PM Central Daylight Time

From: rexmclrn@door.net (Rex & Rebecca McLaurin)

To: JBarron933@AOL.COM (John Barron)

John,

I don't know if you have this connection or not. I was researching the connections between the Morrison & Hornsby families in Hinds Co., Ms. Reuben Hornsby , son of Moses Hornsby & Catherine Watts, married Sarah Morrison, daughter of Alexander Malcolm Morrison & Nancy McDuffie. Sarah Morrison had a brother, Angus Morrison.

Angus (born Abt. 1797, died 04 August 1848) married Catherine Watts. Both were buried at the Morrison Cemetery, near Learned, Hinds Co., Ms. On Catherine's tombstone it states, " Mrs. Catherine Morrison Miller, born 30 Oct 1810, died 9 July 1881". After the death of Angus, Catherine had remarried a ? Miller, who supposedly died not many years later. This Catherine seems to match the information for the daughter of Thomas H. Watts & Elizabeth Lott. Angus & Catherine had at least one daughter, N. Elizabeth Morrison, but there were several other children of Angus & Katherine Morrison, the 1840 Census enumerates several children. Let me know what you think. I do have alot more information on the Hornsby & Morrison families. I also have the location of the Morrison Cemetery, if anyone need it. You are welcome to anything I have.

Rex McLaurin

Petersburg, Tx

Date: 6/21/99 3:53:04 PM Central Daylight Time

From: cbourg@cblink.com (Charles Bourgone)

To: jbarron933@AOL.com

Dear John,

My name is Susan Bourgoyne. I'm from Columbia, MS. I wanted to let you know that I've viewed your research on the Lott family and I think it's great what you and others have done so far. I am a descendant of the Lotts. My fourth ggrandfather was Luke Lott. Beginning from Luke, my line is Luke, Cynthia, William Herring, Sarah Herrin(g), Susie Johnson, and Lula Sue Simmons.

Susan

Date: 6/21/99

To: mikerowe@gmi.net

CC: Lott Circle

In a message dated 6/17/99 11:41:31 AM Central Daylight Time, mikerowe@gmi.net writes:

<< I've begun reading up on the routes traveled by the early immigrants into the MS Territory. Do you have anything specific to the Lotts of 1800-1820 concerning the routes taken and the modes of travel used to reach the homestead settlements in Marion County?

I'd like to hear from the Lott Circle on this. Maybe they can share old family tales of what undoubtedly an arduous trek. Anybody got a few favorite book titles that documents this aspect of that era?

Russell W. Lott

Senatobia, MS

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Interesting question, Russell. It seems to me from looking at an overlay of the Old Post (Military) Road that it parallels the Alabama/Tallapoosa River through the "Creek Nation" of the early 1800s. This was the route taken by those who obtained passports and a military escort. Arthur Lott, my ancestor killed by the Indians on this road in Feb 1812, apparently did not get a passport nor an escort. Perhaps the War of 1812 had drained available forces. This road went to Mobile which was the only settlement in the south. Don't know about travel in what is now Mississippi; it may have been overland or by water.

John

Date: 6/21/99

To: Pedigo k

In a message dated 6/18/99 10:10:37 PM Central Daylight Time, Pedigo k writes:

<< son of Nathan and Dicy Lott Lott. That's as far back in the Lotts as we know for sure, since that family kept sketchy records. >>

Thanks for your message, Kerry. There are several members of the Lott Circle who share your lineage from Nathan and Dicy. Would you like to be included in our on-line research group?

John Barron, Austin, TX

Date: 6/21/99

To: rexmclrn@door.net

In a message dated 6/19/99 6:26:44 PM Central Daylight Time, rexmclrn@door.net writes:

<< After the death of Angus, Catherine had remarried a ? Miller, who supposedly died not many years later. This Catherine seems to match the information for the daughter of Thomas H. Watts & Elizabeth Lott. >>

She sure does. Seems like I tried to find a Catherine Morrison, but didn't come up with a candidate and didn't follow-up on it. Thanks for the info. I routed your message to the Lott Circle as several share our lines.

John

Date: 6/24/99 8:34:45 AM Central Daylight Time

From: cbourg@cblink.com (Charles Bourgone)

To: JBarron933@aol.com

Dear John,

Yes, it will be okay to add my name to the on-line researchers list. Just a tidbit of information I wanted to pass along to you (you may already have this information, but just in case you don't)---

"On December 6, 1805, John Lott, Jr. was granted a passport by the state of Georgia to travel through the Creek Indian Nation to the Mississippi Territory. It was he that established the town of "Lott's Bluff" which later became Columbia, Mississippi. He was the first settler of the immediate area and was instrumental in its development."

"An incident which occurred during the year of 1812 caused Marion County, and especially the people of "Lott's Bluff", to be wary of the Creek Indians located between the Pearl River Settlements and the state of Georgia. "It (is) as probable as anything that cannot be positively proven, that an occurrence in Macon County (Alabama) caused the Creek Indian War of 1813-1814. It was the murder of Arthur Lott in 1812, by some Chetocchefaula Indians, a branch of the Tallasee's. Lott was killed near what is known as Warriors Stand. He was moving to the Mississippi Territory. His family moved on and settled at a bluff on Pearl River, which long went by the name of "Lott's Bluff", but is now known as Columbia." Arthur Lott was a brother of John Lott for whom "Lott's Bluff" received its name. The fact that Arthur Lott was so closely related to Marion Countians aroused high feelings all along the Pearl River, making it easy to sign volunteers for military service during the War of 1812. Probably each man breathed a hope that he would have an opportunity to take a shot at the Indians responsible for Lotts' death even more than engaging the English in battle. There were along the river eleven "Lott" men, close relatives of Arthur Lott, who joined Nixon's 13th Regiment of Mississippi Militia during the War of 1812." (This information was in the "History of Marion County, Mississippi" published by the Marion County Historical Society, call no. 976.221 H, Marion County Public Library, Columbia, MS.)

John, what I found so interesting about this article is that Columbia was known as "Lott's Bluff" at one time. I didn't know this, nor did any of my close relatives, until I found this article. I read also (in another article) that the land on which our courthouse is presently located was donated to the county by the Lotts (John Lott, I believe).

Date: 6/24/99

To: cbourg@cblink.com

Thanks, Susan, for the complete text of the Marion Co. History Book entry for Lott. I've seen parts of it and am familiar with the story. The Arthur Lott killed by the Indians is my ancestor through his son Arthur who settled in Smith Co., TX, and died in 1854.

In my paper on the Colonial Lotts, you will see reference to the John Lott who founded Columbia as Lott's Bluff (John3 b c1742). Frances Blitch postulated in her DAR application that he died in Georgia in 1810 and this information has been spread worldwide, but it is incorrect. His estate was probated in Lott's Bluff (then Washington Co., Miss. Terr.) in 1807 and named his children who were apparently all with him in Miss.

His brothers Arthur Lott (b c1750), William, and Nathan immigrated to Lott's Bluff in 1812. Other brothers Absalom and Solomon preceeded them about 1810 and settled in other parts of the territory. Each had children given basically the same set of names and along with John3's children and grandchildren there is a tangled web of Lotts to unwrap just in Marion Co. Over the last few years I have been in the process of trying to do this.

Your Luke was a son of John3 along with John, Robert, Jesse, and a daughter Elizabeth. Frances Blitch claimed that Mark who stayed in Georgia was also a son and there was perhaps an Arthur who lived among the Indians scandalizing the family with his behavior.

John Barron

Date: 6/24/99

To: Lott Circle

Subj: MS Territory Petitions circa 1803

Date: 6/24/99 10:12:59 AM Central Daylight Time

From: mikerowe@gmi.net (Russell Lott)

To: JBarron933@AOL.COM (John Barron)

John,

Recently Lucbick@aol.com sent you some things that she copied from various

sources. Included was the following:

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Territorial Papers of the United Stated, Volume VI, The Territory of Mississippi, 1809- 1817

Petition to Congress by inhabitants of the territory (HF:12 Cong., 1 sess:DS}

Referred December 27, 1811

To the Honorable the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States in congress

assembled...................And your petitioners will ever pray & amp; ...............John Lott, Arthur

Lott, William Lott, William Lott sen, Nathan Lott, John Lott Jun

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Memorial to Congress by citizens of Pearl River (Hf:14Cong.,1 sess.:DS) September 1, 1815

To the Honorable the Senate, and House of Representative of the United States in congress

assembled, We the under signed memorialist, Citizens of Pearl River, Mississippi Territory.

....................Cheerfully submit.......September 1, 1815

Simon Lott, Arthur Lott Sr, Nathan Lott Jr, Nathan Lott,Sr, Absalom Lott, William Lott Jr,

Elisha Lott, Wm W. Lott, John Lott Jr, Solomon Lott

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Petition to Congress by inhabitants of the territory(DF:14,1 sess:DS)

Referred December 26, 1815

Section 6 of Subscribers to Petition Joshua Lott, Joshua Lott, Jacob Lott. Lewis Lott, John Lott,

Jn Lott

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In my reading this week I came across a reference to some other petitions issuing from the settlers

of the MS Territory of this era. (See the excerpt below.) However, I couldn't match these other

petitions with the ones mentioned by Lucbick.

Do have anything in your files that shed some light on the Nov. 25, 1803 petition and the other

one from "about the same time" that are referred to below?

Russell W. Lott

Senatobia, MS

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Excerpted from a chapter entitled "The Great Migration"

A HISTORY OF THE SOUTH, VOL 4: THE SOUTH IN THE NEW NATION,

1789-1819

by Thomas P. Abernethy, Louisiana State University Press,1961, pp. 453-457.

. . . . In the Mississippi Territory the act of March 3, 1803, which, for the first time, offered for sale the public lands in the limited areas that had been cleared of the Indian claim, did not solve all problems. Heads of families who had arrived before the passage of this act and settled on the public lands were entitled to purchase tracts of either 320 or 640 acres at $2.00 per acre. Though only one-fourth of the minimum sale price of $640 had to be paid in cash, there were not many squatters who could, on the spot, produce the necessary $160. (21) In view of this situation, a group of several hundred settlers drew up and sent to Congress a memorial which was presented on November 25, 1803. It is noteworthy that this petition from the frontier was expressed in excellent phraseology and couched in respectful language. Furthermore, among the numerous names attached, there was not one that was signed by the mark.

The supplicants stated: "We have to acknowledge . . . the just and liberal sanction which your honorable body have given to the titles, claims, and occupancies of lands in favor of the citizens of this territory; but we could have wished, for reasons which follow, that moderate grants had been made to actual settlers on unappropriated lands, and that similar terms of disposal had been extended to future emigrations. . . . Our territory though small, is thin of inhabitants, many of whom possessing only a pre-emption right, are unable to meet the terms of purchase. Of others who may emigrate, many will have exhausted their little resources on a long and expensive journey. These circumstances, we fear, will induce them to remove to the adjacent Spanish dominions, where both climate and soil are equally productive as our own; and where the prospect of favorable terms is a flattering incentive. . . . Your well informed body cannot but know, that we are a small community surrounded by numerous nations whose habits, laws, principles and interests are different from our own five hundred miles distant from the nearest settlement of our American brethren, the whole of which extent is inhabited by savages, some of whom at this time, indicate dispositions of hostilities toward us. . . .And we hope it will not be considered as assuming in us to suggest, that the defence of this country cannot be better secured, than by liberal encouragement of imigration." The petition then stated that, if instead of selling vacant lands at $2.00 per acre which many could not afford Congress would grant the land in small tracts to actual settlers who would continue to live on and cultivate the acreage for five successive years, this policy would secure a rapid increase in the population of the Territory. The memorialists further observed that between granting and selling it would readily appear that "if the lands are sold, they will be held in large quantities by the rich, which will render the settlement thin and exposed to invasion; whereas, if they are granted to actual settlers, they will be held in small tracts by the poor, which will render the settlement more compact and impenetrable. We would remark also, that to the former description of settlers, is generally attached a certain species of population [slaves], which would endanger the country in proportion to its increase; while the latter description generally destitute of that kind of property, would strengthen the country in the direct ratio of their numbers." Among the numerous names attached to this petition were those of a Philip Nolan, a James Robertson, and a William Blount (22).

This petition came from the settlers in the Natchez district on the lower Mississippi River. Those in the Washington district, comprising the settlements on the Tombigbee and Alabama rivers, had even stronger reasons to desire a modification of the Land Act of March 3, for it prohibited the validation of claims to any lands lying east of the Tombigbee. Yet the "Tensaw Settlement," extending about fifty miles down the east bank of the Alabama from the "Cut-off," was the oldest and most prosperous community in the district, having come into existence shortly after the French established Mobile in 1702. Some of the land claims here went back to that era, while others dated from the British and the Spanish regimes. But a large number of those who now petitioned Congress for a validation of their claims had migrated from other parts of the United States since October, 1795, and purchased lands from the older claimants. The supplicants stated that "from any information they have had in their power to collect, from Tradition or otherwise, no Tribe of Indians, since the first settlement of this place had or pretended to have any title to the Tensaw Settlement."(23)

At about the same time that this and the previous petition were presented to Congress, the legislature of the Territory presented a plea favoring the claims of these Tensaw settlers, and simultaneously a memorial from the "Inhabitants of Washington District" urged that the Territory be divided, "and that a Separate Government be established within the now District of Washington independent of that of the Mississippi Territory." The proposal was supported by an argument that from "the late and rapid migration to this District from the State of Georgia and other parts of the United States," it was estimated that the district then contained more than 3,000 inhabitants, all of whom were subject to the laws of Mississippi Territory, which were enacted at a distance of nearly three hundred miles from Washington district, "all of which distance is a howling wilderness with its usual inhabitants of Savages and beasts of prey. That part of the Territory on the Mississippi and the settlements on the Mobile Tombecbee and Alabama rivers are composed of people different in their manners and customs, different in their interests, &amp; nature appears never to have designed the two countries to be under the same Government." This petition was signed by 102 persons, including Nicholas Perkins, Lemuel Henry, John Pierce, John Johnston, James and John Caller, and Samuel Mims.(24)

On November 16, 1805, James Robertson and Silas Dinsmore signed a treaty between the United States and the Choctaw Indians which ceded a fifty-mile strip of land lying along the southern boundary of the Mississippi Territory and connecting the settlements on the Mississippi River with those on the Tombigbee. Yet no lands on the Alabama were included in this agreement, and President Jefferson held up ratification of the treaty until 1809. On January 7, 1806, the Cherokee ceded to the United States a triangle of land lying between the Tennessee River and the southern boundary of the State of Tennessee. In 1808 this area was organized as Madison County, with the town of Huntsville, which had grown up about the "Big Spring," as the county seat. In August, 1809, an office was opened in Nashville for the sale of these lands, and cotton planters from Georgia came in to form the nucleus of the community. No other cessions of Indian lands in the Mississippi Territory were made until, on August 9, 1814, Andrew Jackson acquired from the defeated Creeksall that area which now makes up the central and southern half of the State of Alabama.(25)

As long as the war with England continued, times were hard in this Gulf Coast region, as they were in all the Southern states. The British and their Spanish allies hampered international trade in every possible way and made it practically impossible for cotton and tobacco planters to send their produce to market. In spite of these difficulties, cotton was selling at Natchez for twelve and a half cents per pound during the summer of 1813; lands in that neighborhood were worth $10.00 per acre, and the land office for the district west of Pearl River had sold acreage to the value of $58,551.12&frac12;. As the war came closer to this region, land sales dropped off and on January 19, 1815, the settlers in Marion and Lawrence counties on the Pearl River petitioned Congress to suspend payments on their lands, saying that they had "taken the field en masse." Three pages of signatures were attached to this document, and none of the petitioners signed by his mark.(26)

With the end of the war conditions naturally improved, and by the summer of 1815 river bottom lands in the Tombigbee Valley were worth $10.00 per acre. English mills found it impossible to obtain an adequate supply of cotton while hostilities continued, and the return of peace brought a brisk demand for the staple. The lands which were taken from the Creeks by the Treaty of Fort Jackson were perfectly adapted to the production of cotton, and planters whose lands in the Southeastern states had been depleted were keen to take advantage of this fresh opportunity. The resulting situation is well described in a letter from Mobile, dated June 6, which stated that the new tract was being settled very fast, but that it was inevitable that difficulties would exist where many strangers were trying to acquire property, and that much bad blood had been engendered by disputes over lands to which no one had a legal title. None of these new settlers was nearer to the seat of Territorial government than three hundred miles, and some were no nearer than five hundred miles; so the law had hardly begun to operate. No county had been established to embrace the new territory, the writer said, but he thought the evil caused by the distance from the seat of government would soon be remedied because the population east of Pearl River, including that of Madison County on the Tennessee, would very shortly outnumber that west of the Pearl. Then "the seat of government for Mississippi State must be established at St. Stephens, or some other site on the Tombigbee."(27)

(21) Treat, National Land System, 111-12.

(22) Carter (ed.), Territory of Mississippi, V, 279-87.

(23) Ibid., 293.

(24) Ibid., 288-89, 290-92.

(25) "Bureau of American Ethnology, Eighteenth Annual Report, Pt. II, 672, 678, plates 1, 36; Abernethy, Formative Period in Alabama, 10; Thomas M. Owen, History of Alabama and Dictionary of Alabama Biography (Chicago, 1921), 1, 718-19; II, 922; Carter (ed.), Territory Of Mississippi, V, 724-25, 743.

(26) Carter (ed.), Territory Of Mississippi, VI, 392-93,494-98; Natchez Washington Republican, July 14, 1813.

(27) Raleigh Register, July 10, 1815

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Date: 6/24/99

To: mikerowe@gmi.net

CC: Lott Circle

In a message dated 6/24/99 10:12:59 AM Central Daylight Time, mikerowe@gmi.net writes:

<< Do have anything in your files that shed some light on the Nov. 25, 1803 petition and the other one from "about the same time" that are referred to below?

>>

Russell, thanks for the very interesting quotes. As best I can tell, the 1803 land dealings were in conjunction with the Louisiana Purchase. I've not seen this petition, but it seemed to have been from Natchez inhabitants. The Lotts were all still in Georgia at this time, but John Lott (b c1742) still held a land grant from the English King given to his father in 1776 when he was there as a Tory refugee. I believe that John employed a William Vardeman as his agent to try and process this claim, but it was rejected. John Lott then went to the Miss. Territory himself in 1805 and took possession of the property along the Pearl River which he named Lott's Bluff and which is now Columbia, MS. He died a few years after this as his estate was probated in 1808 in Washington Co., Miss. Terr.

The Lott Time Line that is on my web page shows there movements although it too needs to be updated with new information.

John Barron

Date: 6/24/99

To: mikerowe@gmi.net

CC: Lott Circle

In a message dated 6/24/99 12:13:16 PM Central Daylight Time, mikerowe@gmi.net writes:

<< Was there two petitions that year? Or is this just an indication of how slow communication and things legislative moved during that era? >>

I've no way of knowing for sure, but I think they are the same petition. At least they addressed the same topic. I think the latter of your conclusions is right on.

The Lotts were obviously literate people even though they lived on the frontier and left few written records other than deeds. They sure knew how to "play" the land game and were clearly informed about legal ins and outs and anything dealing with obtaining land.

John Barron

Date: 6/24/99 5:50:21 PM Central Daylight Time

From: mikerowe@gmi.net (Russell Lott)

To: JBarron933@aol.com (John Barron)

John,

My readings today turned up the following interesting tidbit. Your post from another list member concerning "Lott's Bluff" prompted me to send it along.

Benjamin L. C. Wailes, an assistant professor of geology at Ole Miss, took an overland journey through the Piney Woods region of the State during the summer of 1852. The excerpt below is from his journal notes.

As always, your comments are welcome.

Russell W. Lott

Senatobia, MS

...................

Tuesday 10 August 1852. Crossed Bogue Chittoover a very long, massive, frame (but dilipedated [sic] teetering) bridge, and something over a mile further crossed the bridge over Otopesaw,a considerable stream putting into Bogue Chitto but seeming--at this pointto be the larger stream .... Crossed McGee's creek at about fifteen miles over a good new bridge.... Intersected the road leading from Montecello [sic] to Covington, La., 60 miles from the latter place, at an unoccupied house called China Grove. Took an obscure little-traveled road to the right through a wild, uninhabited longleaf pine forest and crossed Pearl River at Mr. Pope's ferry (S14T3R13E). Thence up east bank of Pearl River two miles to Columbia and obtained quarters in the Old State House, the only tavin [sic] in the place [and] the most dilapidated [sic],decayed tumble-down old fabric I ever saw inhabited.

The town has gone into the last stage of decay is now one of the very smallest and ruinous old villages perhaps in the State. The Court House a masonic hall, small but new-looking buildings, one or two tolerable private dwellings are the only houses that seem safe to enter or occupy. There is neither saddle, shoemaker or blacksmith shop in the place ....

With the exception of the creek bottoms, the greater part of the rout[e] today was through a forest of nearly universal longleaf pine with very little undergrowth but bearing a luxuriant crop of coarse grass furnishing fine Summer pasturage for Cattle, of which seen today being very fat.... Wednesday 11 August 1852 ... Engaged in the forenoon at the Clerk's Office making map to the County [Marion] taking notes, c .... Information obtained from the Clerk, Mr.John A. Webb, the Sheriff [is] very imperfect cannot be relied upon for great accuracy.

The mineral recently found in the County and which excited considerable interest and attracted a large number of persons from Covington County, who went in pursuit of it under the impression that it was gold, is found (from the best information that I can obtain)on the headwaters of upper Little River, east of Columbia. The spots yet is known only to two or three persons. But a few pounds of it have been found, varying in size from a small shot to pieces about the size and form of a man's thumb. It is found interspersed in the gravel or drift on the sides of the ridges (but] not in the bed of the creek. I presume it is nothing more than Iron Pyrites, but it is ascerted [sic] positively (from the result of an examination at the Mint at N. Orleans)to be virgin Copper. It is said to be mal [le] able, can be cut with the knife, and does not yield fire when struck with steel. [It] had the appearance of drops or fragments of melted metal. I could not procure any specimens; all obtained, it is said, were sent to the mint. My information is chiefly derived from Holloway, the Tavin [sic] Keeper (one of the persons interested in the Speculation) who has been at the place. He promises to forward specimens to me to be sent to Oxford for analysis.

The mineral springs formerly much resorted [to] and known then as Stovall's Columbia Springs are situated near the river about two miles above Town on Trac[t] S24T4R19W.; Buildings [are] now decayed in great part removed and destroyed are no longer resorted to ....

(Source: Journal of Mississippi History, 1956 pp. 21-21.)

Date: 6/25/99 1:38:23 PM Central Daylight Time

From: vherrin@medicine.umsmed.edu (Vince Herrin)

To: JBarron933@aol.com

Hi--got some more questions for you and the Lott Circle.

I need some information on descendants of a Dicey Lott/Nathan Lott marriage. This Dicey Lott was the daughter of John and Sarah [Aultman] Lott, granddaughter of Nathan and Dicey [Watts] Lott. She was born 7 Sept. 1832 in Covington County, MS, and died after 1910 in Louisiana. She married on 16 June 1851 to Nathan Lott (born ca 1820 in Georgia). His parentage is uncertain to me; may have been the son of Nancy [McAffee] and Simon Lott, or may have been the son of Robert Lott. Nathan died ca 1870-1880 in Louisiana(?) and Dicey in 1901 married Hy Mathis. In 1880, the family was in Vernon Parish, LA. I have nine children listed for this Dicey and Nathan, and at least two of them ended up in Newton County, Texas.

The nine are:

1. Robert Lott b. 25 April 1852 md. ? He doesn't seem to have moved to LA with the rest of the family.

2. John Lott b. 1853 md. Harriett ?. Moved to Newton County, TX, where Harriet md. P. H. Midkiff in 1887. Did John die?

3. William Lott b. 1854 d. 18 Jan. 1884 in Vernon Parish, LA. md. Sarah Mathis.

4. Mary Lott b. 1855

5. Sarah Lott b. 1858

6. Nathan Lott b. 1860

7. Andrew J. Lott b. 1862

8. Elizabeth Lott b. 1865

9. Amadilla Lott b. 1867 md. on 11 may 1891 in Newton County, TX, to W. J. Armstrong.

Any info will be appreciated.

Another comment/question: Is it possible that the scandal-plagued Arthur Lott we've been discussing recently was William Arthur "Arter" Lott, son of John and Sarah [Aultman] Lott? He lived in Melba, MS, and had children by three different women; he was married to two different Morris women and then lived as common-law husband of a third woman whose first husband had been shot and whose second husband had run off. They had a child together who didn't go by the last name Lott. There are MANY descendants of this child still in the Melba area today. This sounds like it could be the Arthur Lott that has been previously described. If so, it's not Nathan's father, but his grandson instead. This Arthur lived from 1838 to 1909.

Thanks, Vince

Date: 6/25/99

To: vherrin@medicine.umsmed.edu

CC: Lott Circle

In a message dated 6/25/99 1:38:23 PM Central Daylight Time, vherrin@medicine.umsmed.edu writes:

<< Is it possible that the scandal-plagued Arthur Lott we've been discussing recently was William Arthur "Arter" Lott, son of John and Sarah [Aultman] Lott? He lived in Melba, MS, and had children by three different women; he was married to two different Morris women and then lived as common-law husband of a third woman whose first husband had been shot and whose second husband had run off. >>

Very well could be him as he sure sounds like a rounder. But I'm thinking it was an older guy and it took place earlier - say 1820s. My reason for thinking this is that my Lotts and Watts came to Rep. of Texas about 1840 and the story was known to them assuming I'm right about it being part of the legend.

John

Date: 6/25/99 2:27:55 PM Central Daylight Time

From: klthompson@fnbop.com (Ken Thompson)

To: jbarron933@aol.com

Hi. I'm very new to genealogical research. I recently stumbled onto your page and have discovered that you are *very* knowledgeable about the Lotts and Watts. This is my line and I have some questions if you wouldn't mind very much. My connection is as follows:

My great grandmother was Martha Annie Watts.

Her parents were William G. Watts and Mary Ann "Mollie" McGrew

William G. Watts parents were John Watts and Penelopy Lott. (These two are the ones I have so many questions about.)

Please let me know if you wouldn't mind my asking some questions. I know that you're very busy and this is very time consuming. It has been very fun finding new cousins. I'm particularly interested in finding my Indian connection. My great grandmother always told that she had a lot of Indian blood in her. I'd love to find that. Thanks for your time.

Sheila

Date: 6/25/99

To: klthompson@fnbop.com

In a message dated 6/25/99 2:27:55 PM Central Daylight Time, klthompson@fnbop.com writes:

<< William G. Watts parents were John Watts and Penelopy Lott. (These two are the ones I have so many questions about.) >>

Hi Sheila, ask as many questions you want and I will try to give you some answers. I routed your message to the Lott Circle and hopefully some will contact you. We are related both from the Lott and Watts families. Penelope Lott was a sister of my ancestor Arthur Lott who settled in Smith Co., TX and died there in 1854. John Watts was a son of my ancestor Thomas Watts who also came to Smith Co.

We've had a rip-roaring debate this month concerning the "Indian Question." I think it's all legend stemming from a family scandal, but many believe it and are busily trying to collect evidence in support of it. If you like I can put your e-mail address on our list. You can see some of our messages on my web page.

John Barron, Austin, TX

Date: 6/28/99

To: springer@fnbop.com

CC: Lott Circle

In a message dated 6/27/99 12:26:49 AM Central Daylight Time, springer@fnbop.com writes:

<< However, I don't have proof of their parentage documented. How would I go about that? I see you have mentioned in your information a will of some sort. >>

Sheila, on my web page is a copy of an affidavit given by Henry Johnson who named some of the children of Arthur Lott and Sarah Ann (Clapp?). He claimed that she was Indian, but this was only hearsay information stemming from something he had been told since he was just a child when Sarah Ann died. I think the names of the children can be believed, at least those who stayed in the area after he was grown. He omitted sons who left such as Arthur, William, and John. The following is a paragraph from it.

"Affiant says that he was well acquainted with four sons and one daughter of the said Arthur and Mrs Sarah Ann Lott., and that they too, as their mother was known and recognized as having Indian blood in their veins and that they resembled the Indian very much both in dispositions and general appearances, especially the daughter, Pennie, who was in fact so very much like the Indian in appearance that she was frequently mistook for one."

Pennie (or Penelope) is shown with her husband John Watts on the 1850 census of Covington Co., MS. This John (known locally as Big John) was named in the will of his father Thomas Watts from Smith Co., TX. This will has been stolen from the courthouse in Tyler, but is abstracted by Andy Leath in his book on Smith County Wills and Probates.

All the above is evidence of parentage: I never use the word "proof" in conjunction with genealogy, especially in regards to the Lott family. I believe that this is more than sufficient evidence to form a conclusion, although I may change my mind tomorrow if better evidence is uncovered.

John Barron

Date: 6/26/99 6:38:34 PM Central Daylight Time

From: mikerowe@gmi.net (Russell Lott)

To: JBarron933@aol.com (John Barron)

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John,

In one of our recent exchanges I asked about the early roads that may have been used by the settlers coming into piney woods area circa 1800-20. You responded with the following:

It seems to me from looking at an overlay of the Old Post (Military) Road that it parallels the Alabama/Tallapoosa River through the "Creek Nation" of the early 1800s.This was the route taken by those who obtained passports and a military escort. Arthur Lott, my ancestor killed by the Indians on this road in Feb 1812 ... This road went to Mobile which was the only settlement in the south. Don't know about travel in what is now Mississippi; it may have been overland or by water.

I have been doing a lot of reading on this subject lately, and it would seem that most of the settlers coming from Georgia moved into the piney woods of Mississippi by way of the Jackson Military Road, the Natchez to Fort Stephens Wagon Road, and the Three-Chopped Way.

As to the Three-Chopped Way, if I recall my history correctly there was an old indian trial in Virginia called the "Three Notch Road" running south and westward into the mountains. Additionally, I have seen a map of old roads in Alabama that shows a "Three Notch Road" running roughly parallel (though taking a more southerly route) to the Old Federal Road that linked Georgia with the MS Territory. I don't yet know if all of these "three notch" roads are remnants of one exceedingly long old trace or whether there were many "three notch" trails. Quite possibly this was a common method for trail-marking customarily used by many of the different southeastern indian tribes.

Interestingly, in the 1998 session of the Mississippi Legislature, a bill was introduced to appropriate $50,000 to Dept. of Archives and History to identify the trail known as the Three-Chopped Way. This bill died in committee. A modern map of the state shows a stretch of road named "Three Notch Road" in Covington Co. running west from Williamsburg. Likewise a road identified as "Old St. Stephens Road" is found in Jeff Davis and Lawrence Counties running roughly parallel to Highway 84.

Russell W. Lott

Senatobia, MS

Date: 6/27/99 12:26:49 AM Central Daylight Time

From: springer@fnbop.com (Sheila Thompson)

To: jbarron933@aol.com

Hi John. You said you didn't mind if I asked questions, so here goes. :o) I am, by the way, enjoying reading your Lott circle on your webpage and I appreciate you adding me to it. Ok. For the questions. First, as I told you, I'm very new to this. I'm trying to document this as I go. So far, I've documented everything with marriage license, birth certificate, or census records. Unfortunately, I've run out of those. You have done all the hard work for me though! I have all the names in front of me now. All I have to do is get my documentation for the scrap book. I don't want to write a book or anything, I would just like to gather all of the documents and things for a person memory book of my family. I am up to John Watts and Penelopy Lott in my documentation. I have their marriage documented. However, I don't have proof of their parentage documented. How would I go about that? I see you have mentioned in your information a will of some sort. Would it be possible for me to get a copy of that from a court house? I'm at a loss on where I go from here on documentation. I thank you so much for taking the time to answer my questions!! People around here seem to be so reluctant to share any genealogy information they have gathered. Thanks again,

Sheila

Date: 6/28/99

To: s.miklas@worldnet.att.net

In a message dated 6/28/99 12:13:15 PM Central Daylight Time, s.miklas@worldnet.att.net writes:

<< How is it that you believe that Lotts in Smith Co, TX knew about Arthur of Melba, before Melba was established in 1863?

>>

Sue, I don't think they knew about the town of Melba, but I think that they knew about this Arthur Lott before they all came to Harrison Co. in 1840. There were three Arthurs in Marion Co. 1810-20. One was mine, one was the young Arthur that was named in the deed of gift in 1808 who went to Florida in the mid-1820s and who later came to Washington Co., TX, and another that I can't get a handle on. I think the latter was this guy.

John

Date: 6/29/99 9:25:45 PM Central Daylight Time

From: KathleenMason@compuserve.com (Kathleen Mason)

To: jbarron933@AOl.com (J Barron)

I am inquiring if you have any claim on this lady who married 1839 in Carroll Co. MS. I think her father was Aaron Lott Sr. of Carroll Co. Do you have anything to the contrary? There was an Arthur Lott in adjoining county. Naming pattern seems to fit Aaron Sr.

Thanks..Kathleen Mason

Date: 7/1/99 12:09:50 AM Central Daylight Time

From: Fre2bwe

To: JBarron933

A nice man named Rex gave me your address & web site. I am new to the web and feel often that I'm wading in quicksand. The only information I have on my Lott family background is as follows. Was told all my life that I had Choctaw blood though no one in my father's family would talk about it. Not to mention that I have been estranged from my father for over forty years. During a week visit with my father this spring, I discovered just enough to get an even greater thirst for my "herstory." My grandmother is Zilpha Lott, daughter of Andrew (Jackson???) Lott and Julie Jones Lott (AKA Julia). The two were married in Marysville (which I believe may be Marksville) Louisiana, on their way from Mississippi to Texas. I found records in Sabine Co........ TX. which show land grants #172 to Abselom Lott and #173 to Jackson Lott given on 12/18/1839. I have also received from my father a sheet of paper which copied the Lott Bible birthdates. The bible is now in Harris (which I believe may be Harrison) Co. museum. It was given by Mary Lott Wells who I believe was my great-grandpa Andrew's sister. The names and dates listed are as follows:

Nathan Lott j/30/1800

Dicey Lott 9/7/1832

Robert 4/23/1852

John 4/13/ 1853

William 5/29/1854

Mary 12/1/1855

Sarah 5/14/1857

Nathan 4/4/1860

Andrew 8/14/1862

Elizabeth 4/19/1864

Amili 10/27/1867

Andrew was a preacher. He is buried in the Lott Cemetery in Sabine Co.. TX. I would really like to find out where the Choctaw connection is. I was told that his mother was a Choctaw princess......I am planning a trip to the SE this fall and then back to TX to visit with my father. Would love some suggestions on who or where to contact. I will feel like something is missing until I find my Grandma Zilpha's family. Thanks for whatever you can do.

Date: 7/2/99

To: joe@lottfamily.com

Thanks, Joe. We got some pretty good responses with this didn't we. Surely your Aunt Ollie was the oldest when she died.

John

Date: 7/1/99 7:00:47 PM Central Daylight Time

From: mrader@lucernevalley.net (The Raders)

To: JBarron933@AOL.COM

John - There was no name with this message - is the Andrew (Jackson) Lott that (s)he mentions the Andrew listed as son of Nathan and Dicey and did she include her line??

Martha

Date: 7/2/99 6:39:34 AM Central Daylight Time

From: joe@lottfamily.com (Joseph Lott)

To: JBarron933@aol.com ('JBarron933@aol.com')

Until last month, I think the oldest living Lott relative would have been my aunt Olive Lott, who was b. 1 Dec 1897 in Rocky Branch, MS. She died on 27 May. She is a descendant of both Luke Lott who m. Cynthia Herrin and Nathan Lott who m. Dicey Watts. In addition, she married Earnest Buford Lott who was a descendant of Absalom Lott and Martha Jane Lightfoot. She was the last living sibling in a family that included 10 children including my father Alton Lott. I visited Aunt Ollie briefly last October in her home in Sumrall, MS and found her mind intact although her hearing was gone. At the time, she had recently sold some lumber on one of her properties and was talking about how she wanted to invest it.

Regards, JL

Date: 7/2/99 3:34:07 PM Central Daylight Time

From: Fre2bwe

To: JBarron933

To all experienced "Teachers";

I will attempt to give you all information that I have on myself as well as what little I know of my Lott family background. I have only been on-line for one week and will admit to being very computer illiterate as well as slow (but not a slow as this dinosaur computer that I am on) which is frustrating at times. What I was able to find in a short time was my ancestors from my father's side. I was born Elizabeth Lynn (Betty Lynn as I was called by my Texan father) Strickland. This line began with Sir Matthew Strickland arrival in Va., Isle of Wight Co. in the mid 1600s to escape the wrath of George Cromwell who had a price on his head. He remained briefly in Va., moving to NC somewhere around late 1600s, early 1700s. I have references to Nash Co. and Guilford Co. but know that by the first 100 yrs, there were many family lines which spread further. Between 1775 and 1800 many Stricklands moved to GA. (Franklin, Madison, Elbert, Henry, Spaulding and Jackson County references.) In the early 1800s some of the Strickland line moved to Mississippi (Harrison, and Wayne Co.'s and a place called Winchester) and onward to Texas. The family tree is large and as there are many who have researched it, I feel my time would be better spent finding out more about my Grandma Zilpha Lott Strickland.

Before I move on, I'd like to mention some observations which may be commonplace to all of you but as I've only been at this one week, they seem somewhat questionable.

Seems to me that the Lott and Strickland lines followed somewhat of a similar path to TX.

There were many preachers the Strickland line and as I was told by my father, G.Grandpa Andrew J. Lott was a preacher "par excellence." I'm also told that the Strickland line was full of great orators (must be where I get my gift for gab ). Is this true of the pulpit pounding Lotts?

I don't know much about physical features of the Lott line but I have a few pictures of my Grandma Zilpha. She was about 4'1o" tall with dark hair and sharp features. She had a heart of gold and often fed many of the orphan children/slaves in the Sabine Co. area where they lived. I was told that she never spoke an evil word to or about anyone.

One last mention before going on the relevant statistics. As I have been searching your Lott lineage, I have often come across some similar names in your documents, that match several settlers of Sabine Co. in the area of my grandparents. Is it possible that many of these families often picked up and moved together through the early years of America. The Stricklands were among a wagon train of 40-50 traveling to Texas. Some names I see, Vardeman, Whitehead, Jones, Wells, Smith, Leath, Watkins, I've also crossed many time in Sabine Co., TX. statistics.

I can tell you that the more I look, the more confused I get. There were also several references in my Strickland Lineage to marriage with Native Americans women.

Please excuse my sloppiness as I attempt to give you what information I know. And what I have come to realize is that I will probable spend the greater portion of years, not weeks, checking and double checking my resources. Any and all of your help is appreciated

And by the way, I have no desire to make claims on my native American roots. Like all of you, I want to know who my family was. I carry no bias against anyone but perhaps the egocentric few that think perhaps the white settlers were above their conquests. Today I look to the past with reverence and those that cared for this country for thousands of years are as deserving as those who came to overtake it. I will keep further opinions to myself.

Elizabeth Lynn Strickland b. 08/21/53 Quincy, Ca. (Plumas Co.) 1 brother Robert Leonard Strickland b. 05/26/45 Quincy, Ca.

Mother: Marjory Elizabeth Mathes Strickland b. Oroville Ca. 02/22/1924

Father: Robert Dee Strickland b. 03/21/1919 Hemphill, TX (Sabine Co.)

Father: Wesley Dee Strickland b. 02/29/1876 d. 13/28/1979 (as he was born in a leap year, we joke he was only 25 when he died)

Mother: Zilpha E. Lott Strickland b 9/18/1888 d. 12/18/1977 buried in Bethel Cemetery, Pineland, TX.

Father: Andrew J. Lott b. 08/14/1862 Mississippi d. 1933 (buried in Lott Cemetery next to where the old Baptist Church which he built no longer stands) says on headstone, b 1860. I have no other info on either of Andrew's parents although on one headstone in Lott Cemetery, my father pointed out Zilpha's brother Joshua Lott, Texas Private US Army WW1 b. 4/21/1895 d. 4/1/1961 and sister Alpha Lott Ferguson b. 7/11/1899 d. 2/23/1923. (I have a picture of her in addition to Mary Lott Wells and an aunt named

D [C?] reasie).

Mother: Julia D. Jones Lott b. 1866 Fla. d. 1953 TX. (Lott Cemetery)

Father: Brown Jones b. ca 1840 Ga.

Mother: Elizabeth Smith Jones b. ca 1836 Ga.

other children of the marriage: Lydia, Zilpha's twin sister m Reese Bourland, Floyd, AKA Uncle Curly, Leona, m George Jackson, Joshua m. Lizzie Jacks, Alpha, mentioned above m. Elijah Ferguson, and Dolly m. William Thomas.

I believe that I have already given you the list of names which I received from my father, passed on from Mrs. Jesse Bishop, daughter of Mary Lott Wells. Another mistake which I discovered is that the bible is not in a museum but possible at the Chamber of Commerce in Jackson Miss. The sheet refers to Harris Co. but I could only find a Harrison on the map of Miss. Another interesting thing which I'm sure plagues most researchers is that I found the record of the marriage of Andrew and Julia in Sabine Co. 9/9/85. His last name was listed as Lodge. One other name I came across in census records near the Jones property grant. One Mary Lott Faircloth Martin. Any hints? It was Brown Jones and Elizabeth who I believe were married on way from Miss to TX. I believe they were a part of the wagon train which my Strickland relative were on but anything is possible as I am beginning to find.

One more thing which I find very interesting. I had never heard of the name Zilpha until my grandma but going through your charts I see where a Lott married a Zilpha Wiggins. Interesting the repeat name in addition to all the other Nathan, Dicey, Robert, John, William, Mary, Sarah and Elizabeth in direct line. I was also told of an Amadilla. and have seen several references to Amila, Emile, etc.

I do not wish to intrude on a line that is not my own but it seems so strange to me to come into this search so late along, with similar stories as I am beginning to hear, as well as so many similar name and place connections, I just want a family connection, one that has been missing for over 45 years. I believe that our nation is fractured and a great part of the healing will come when we realize how valuable history (with all cultures included) and family are, and begin to rebuild those connections. Hope I'm on track to finding mine

Respectfully, "the student"

Betty Strickland Wittenberg

Date: 7/2/99 2:05:45 PM Central Daylight Time

From: vherrin@medicine.umsmed.edu (Vince Herrin)

To: JBarron933@aol.com

Here's a copy of the reply I sent to this person. All of a sudden all these descendants of Nathan are e-mailing the Lott Circle; very fortuitous for me.

Vince

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Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 14:03:05 -0600

From: "Vince Herrin" <vherrin@medicine.umsmed.edu>

To: <Fre2bwe@aol.com>

Subject: Re: Lott geneology

I read your message to John Barron which was circulated to the Lott Circle. I don't know if you know this, but the Dicey Lott, b. 7 Sept. 1832 that is mentioned in the Bible Record you listed was the daughter of John Lott and Sarah Aultman. John Lott was the son of Nathan Lott and Dicey [Watts] Lott. The 1832 Dicey Lott confused me at first, because she also married a Nathan Lott. So, just like her grandparents, she and her husband were Nathan and Dicey Lott.

I can provide more info and dates, if you like. I'm glad you wrote in; I'm currently helping edit and complete a very large book on the descendants of Nathan and Dicey [Watts] Lott (about 1,000 pages so far, and far from complete). Should be out next spring. Your Nathan and Dicey [Lott] Lott is one of our most incomplete lines (I guess because they moved to Texas). So, any info you can give me on your line, even if it is sketchy, is more than we have.

The Indian legend is all through the Lott family, and no one has been able to nail it down. Some people don't believe it, and some do. I'm inclined to believe it, because everyone I've ever talked to who was descended from a Lott has said, "My grandma so and so was half-Indian" or something similar.

Look forward to hearing back from you.

Vince Herrin

Date: 7/3/99 4:55:50 PM Central Daylight Time

From: Fre2bwe

To: JBarron933

Greetings

If the quakes continue here in NW, I'm headed your way. Last one hit last night, Epicenter only 40 miles SE from here. Judged at 5.1 and 5.5 by differing geological sources.

Please excuse my plea for help. I know for certain that for all the times I told friends and family that I refused to get "plugged in," the bad karma is coming back at me through these keyboards.

Was sent an e-mail on 7/7/99 from a [WE Moore??????] on an address that included [one-net or one-link??????.] I accidentally deleted it as I still haven't quite got this e-mail gig yet. References to Arthur, Dicey, Nathan, and the N/A link. Please, if you see this [and I apologize ahead if way off on e-mail name & add]. repeat note. I really wanted to save the message.

A thought on Texas Lotts......While in Hemphill with my dad to meet Sabine Co. Judge Leath, and old friend, I learned that there was quite a battle in the early days for the county seat. Nearby Milam felt they also deserved the seat of gov't. During their battles, the Hemphill Courthouse was burned and many records were lost.

This brings the question of county boundaries, parishes, Terr. etc. I'm getting quite a lesson in geography. And history was what I've avoided with a passion. Now it is becoming a passion. I want to learn more about the changing boundaries as they have changed through early settlement, statehood, wars, population movements, etc. These seem to be so valuable to our quest as records during these changes may take a variety of routes. Any ideas as to a source for this information, not necessarily on the net either, I've been known to have over 100 library books out at any one time. Would also like to find some king of blank maps to start charting the movements of family members. There may also be answers to questions there. I am going to start researching Brown Jones & Elizabeth Smith Jones, Zilpha Lott Strickland's parents. They may hold some clues.

Has anyone done any research in Sabine, Jasper, Angelina, San Augustine, Panola, Shelby, Nacogdoches, Tyler, Newton and any of the counties in the NE portion of Texas or even along the west river-way of the Sabine in Louisiana?? I can't do much from here in Washington, but will do as much as I can if given a specific focus.

What does one do as far as contacts by mail? I brought home an East Texas and Sabine Co. area phone book. Many Lott names there. Is there some kind of survey you send with intro. letter and if so how are the return responses?

Well, guess that about covers most of my questions. Have been looking over most of previous communications, brings myself up to date....looks like a program for documenting the family tree is the way to go? I'll cross that bridge later, just getting the e-mail.

Little quote from my dad during spring visit, "Just remember to never settle for a little, cuz you're a Lott."

Just shaking here in Shelton, Betty Lott-Strickland Wittenberg

Date: 7/3/99

To: Fre2bwe

In a message dated 7/3/99 4:55:50 PM Central Daylight Time, Fre2bwe writes:

<< Has anyone done any research in Sabine, Jasper, Angelina, San Augustine, Panola, Shelby, Nacogdoches, Tyler, Newton and any of the counties in the NE portion of Texas >>

My particular Lott family was in Harrison and later Smith Co., TX, north or where you are indicating. I have also studied extensively the Lotts who came to Washington Co. about 1835 and who later moved to Limestone/Freestone Co. I haven't done any work in the above counties except for copying the census data for them.

I sent your message to the Lott Circle and Bill Moore should see it and resend the message that you lost. If he doesn't let me know.

John

Date: 7/3/99 11:43:50 PM Central Daylight Time

From: stoii@juno.com

To: JBarron933@aol.com

John, As you know I have been researching Indian Agency Records for the family of Lott and have told you I was going to sent you my records so you could view them yourself but have waiting to try and reconstruct a memoranda so it is more legible and the reason I felt that this memoranda was so important as it states from the descents of Nathan Lott, that the Cherokees of Georgia had given up their land and went to Indian Territory naming Arthur Lott and families Thomas Watts and family going to Indian territory to join other Lotts, and it states of problems on the trip that one of Arthur Lotts brother was killed and while crossing a river one of their wives was drowned and one was taken sick and died. Which ones of these I can't make out which one they are talking about. It also states that Thomas Watts died of snake bite in Smith Cty, Texas. Although there are no specific dates in this trip for us to go on this clearly shows to me a knowing of the Lotts in Oklahoma. But from reading this I knew instantly that they had made a mistake, as they state the family went to Hitchete, which I know to be a Creek District. Now the thing with Smith Cty Texas, it sit in the heart of Indian Terr. given to the Cherokee by land grants from the Govner of Lou. I believe. Any way these particular Lotts & Watts ended up in Texas and Ark . I seen on one of the Lott researcher a report of his family had went to Texas around 1850 and stayed at the home of GP Lott. GP Lott was white but his wife was not, she was Creek. Their daughter marrying one of the Macintosh receiving land of allotments. How I cam to see there is a big relationship between these Texas and Ark Lotts and also Oklahoma, was the unites states Marshall charges courts held in Indian Terr. charging these Lotts with bootlegging. These charges can be viewed at NAIL for anyone who cares to view them. I count over 22 family Lott members who were actual members of the Creek Nation and it most likely would be three times that thru their children's marriages as you will see when you receive my copies. I have researched nine hundred and twenty roles of Indian matters, case files agency records enrollment records , letters from the BIA, letters from the dept of war, and within these records it tells of the cleaver ways to get the Indians out of Ga and Ala. But back tracking from the Lotts in Okla. back into Georgia before removal, because one would have to know if there is an enrolled Indian in Oklahoma his Father and Mother would also have to be Indian. We know of the Lotts who came on the Trail to Oklahoma, so the answer had to be in Georgia and the answer is the white man Lott Benjamin William Lott was issued a license to do business with in the Creek Nation Sept. of 1823 by Indian Agent John Crowwell. Benjamin Lott states he had lived in the Creek Nation for a number of years. His son states he was born in the Creek Nation and was raised their. His name John William Lott. And in Oklahoma William Lotts wife name Nannie or Nancy., son Thomas, wife Lena Yahola. And I believe he had ten Children who appear on finial roles with Land allotments with a degree of full blood. There was also a Nancy Lott that I would assume could have been John W. sister. So do we have any information on Benjamin William Lott to determine who he is? He posted a ^00 cash bond to do business in the Nation. So during that time period that was great deal of Money.

Joe Davis

Date: 7/4/99 8:00:34 PM Central Daylight Time

From: dlott@airnet.net (Dewel Lott)

To: jbarron933@aol.com

Hello John,

Do you have a record of a George Lott b. abt 1750 and died in Fairfield Co., SC. in 1812?

Have you ever heard a story of 2 white baby boys being captured by Indians during colonial times? One of these babies was a Lott?

Dewel C. Lott

Date: 7/4/99

To: dlott@airnet.net

Dewel, I routed your message to the Lott Circle which is a group of on-line researchers which I moderate. Hopefully some will respond. I invite you to join our group. Please check my web page for additional Lott information by clicking on the following: John Barron's Home Page

I don't have any information on George Lott. I know he was a Rev. Sol. and don't think he was closely kin to John Lott who came from Edgecombe Co., NC, to Georgia in the 1760s. John Lott and most of his sons were Tories. I think George Lott may have been kin to the Camden Dist. Lotts.

John Barron, Austin, TX

Date: 7/5/99

To: stoii@juno.com

CC: Lott Circle

In a message dated 7/3/99 11:43:50 PM Central Daylight Time, stoii@juno.com writes:

<< Benjamin Lott states he had lived in the Creek Nation for a number of years. His son states he was born in the Creek Nation and was raised their. His name John William Lott. And in Oklahoma William Lotts wife name Nannie or Nancy., son Thomas, wife Lena Yahola. And I believe he had ten Children who appear on finial roles with Land allotments with a degree of full blood. There was also a Nancy Lott that I would assume could have been John W. sister. So do we have any information on Benjamin William Lott to determine who he is?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Joe, I don't have anything in my records on this Benjamin Lott or his family. Do you have any dates when he was born or when the records about him were made that would help identify him?

John

Date: 7/5/99

To: stoii@juno.com

CC: Lott Circle

In a message dated 7/3/99 11:43:50 PM Central Daylight Time, stoii@juno.com writes:

<< It also states that Thomas Watts died of snake bite in Smith Cty, Texas. Although their are no specific dates in this trip for us to go on this clearly shows to me a knowing of the Lotts in Oklahoma. But from reading this I knew instantly that they had made a mistake, as they state the family went to Hitchete, which I know to be a Creek District. Now the thing with Smith Cty Texas , it sit in the heart of Indian Terr. given to the Cherokee by land grants from the Govner of Lou. I believe.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Thanks Joe. If you could send me a copy of the above document I may can help decipher it as I have considerable experience with doing this. The Arthur Lott and Thomas Watts who came to Smith Co., TX, are my direct ancestors and I would be most interested in having this information.

The area that is now Smith Co., however, was never considered Indian Territory. Prior to 1836 all of present Texas was part of Mexico, but won independence then and became the Republic of Texas until it became a state in 1845.

Arthur Lott was Thomas Watts' son-in-law and they came to Harrison Co., Rep. of Texas, in 1841 with their families. They had been in Leake Co., MS, on the census of 1840 and before that in Marion/Covington Co., MS. They joined John Lott (son of Solomon Lott) who had immigrated about 1839.

I had heard of the document that you described concerning a Lott brother killed and sister-in-law drowned, but thought it concerned the group that went to Louisiana, not Texas. I would like to know for sure. The above Arthur did have a brother named John who seemed to disappear from Marion Co.

You're doing some good work here and we appreciate it.

John

Date: 7/5/99 1:32:11 AM Central Daylight Time

From: BandB4951

To: JBarron933

John,

Do we have a Rebecca LOTT who marries WARREN and she gave birth to a daughter Rebecca WARREN in 1824?

Bellinda

Date: 7/5/99

To: grg@iname.com

Hey Gereld, terrific info. I didn't know any of this and will have to get those references you gave. My point about Indian territory (which I must not have made very clear) was that no part of Texas was included in the territory set aside by the U.S. for Indian settlement.

What do you make of Joe Davis' info about Arthur Lott and Thomas Watts trip to Texas? I sure would like to see these documents myself, but can't seem to get him to send a copy or give me the reference for them.

John

Date: 7/6/99 1:12:04 AM Central Daylight Time

From: campbird@detnet.com (Harlan and Frances Camp)

To: JBarron933@aol.com

John,

Just wanted to let you know that I am also a direct descendant of Thomas Watts .and Elizabeth Lott. I am trying get evidence that they did come to Texas in l841.Where did you find this? Also, do you have any knowledge about their son William Watts who married Patience Lott? I have a copy of the Watts family bible that states William Wattsb.l800 in Ga.d.1842 in Harrison Co. Tx.. Also they had a son, John Watts who was born in l842 in Harrison Co., Tx. I have been sent some info that states that William died in Ms., but unless proven other wise, I will believe my records. Someone sent me something that really set me to wondering. They stated that the l850 census in Covington ,Co., Ms. showed where Patience Watts was listed with some of her children. One of them being John Watts, was the only child born in Texas. Hum-----------------????Could this be the missing link to some of my mysterious Watt/Lott family? Seems as if she went back to Ms. after William died. Then she came back later with perhaps her son Albert to Polk Co. Tx? What do you think?

Frances

Date: 7/6/99 12:06:54 PM Central Daylight Time

From: mikerowe@gmi.net (Russell Lott)

To: JBarron933@aol.com (John Barron)

Good morning John, I was entering the children of William Lott and Mary Bryant into my database this weekend using information I received from Mary Lou Lott, a descendant of William. Specifically, she sent me photocopies of a portion of a William Lott Family manuscript prepared in 1974 by Lutie Temple Lott, also a descendant.

When I compared that information with yours from the Descendants of John Lott web file, I came across a couple of minor inconsistencies. Can you help clear them up?

1.She has Allen Gaines Lott b. 25 Jan 1851 m. Mary Aultman. You show his birthrate as 24 Jan 1854. Your date is just one month after the birth of his brother, Simion. Can you recheck you "William Lott Bible" source on this?

2. She has Jesse Bryant Lott b. 24 Apr 1842. You have the date as 21 Apr 1842. Can you also recheck this?

Have you seen this manuscript? It claims that "South Carolina was the birth place of our William Lott, who rode to South Mississippi and found a beautiful girl, Mary Jane Bryant, washing quilts in a creek and later married her."

Thanks for your time.

Russell W. Lott, Senatobia, MS

Date: 7/7/99 11:42:54 AM Central Daylight Time

From: BandB4951

To: cowboys3@ix.netcom.com, JBarron933

Dear Larry,

Hello. Thanks for writing. I am forwarding your email to John BARRON, who maintains the website for the LOTT FAMILY CIRCLE and has much more comprehensive knowledge about the varying branches of LOTTs than I as there are an enormous amount of them that he is constantly processing through the website. Quite possibly that I have seen this name before but John will be able to assist you much more quickly than I on the matter. (John, if you could help Larry on this matter I would be most grateful. Thank you.)

Sincerely, Bellinda Myrik Barnett

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Forwarded Message:

Subj: Absalom Lott

Date: 7/7/99 11:37:47 AM Central Daylight Time

From: cowboys3@ix.netcom.com (Larry Lieneke)

To: bandb4951@AOL.COM

CC: DWILTSDILL@AOL.COM (David Wiltshire)

I found an old posting of yours that referenced an Absalom Lott. I am very interested to know more about this person. Do you have any dates or places for him?

I'm researching the southern Dillingham family and am interested to know if this Absalom Lott has a connection. Joshua Dillingham b. abt 1742 named his second son b. abt. 1768 Lott, which is the only appearance of the name in the family.

In addition we have an Absalom Dillingham born 1770 who's father is unidentified, but is either Joshua or one of his four brothers. This also is the first appearance of the name Absalom in the family.

The introduction of both the names Absalom and Lott about 1765-1770 into the Dillingham family could be only coincidence, but does seem odd given the low frequency of use of the names.

Larry Lieneke

Date: 7/8/99

To: suej35@airmail.net

In a message dated 7/6/99 10:38:51 PM Central Daylight Time, suej35@airmail.net writes:

<< those Aggie Indians are after you >>

Looks like. That's a frightful combination, isn't it! Guess I ought to keep my "mouth" shut for awhile before stirring the pot any more. Probably won't though.

I was in Corsicana this week finishing up with my father's estate settlement and showed a cousin our Lott Circle and mailing list. She thinks she knew you when you lived there. She is Sue Reed and her husband Lary is vice president of Navarro College I can't remember what context she said, though.

Later, John

Date: 7/10/99 5:11:20 PM Central Daylight Time

From: noles@gs.verio.net (Noles, Robert B.)

To: JBarron933@aol.com

Hi,

James D. "Jim" "J.D." Lott gave me your email address. He indicated that

you had a WEB site for Lott Family Research, but had temporarily lost track

of it. He suggested that I ask you for it.

I have been researching my wife's lines in southeast Georgia for the past

couple of years. I have discovered that she is a descendant of Mark Lott

and Delilah Jones as follows.

Mark Lott married Delilah Jones

1) their dau. Penelope Lott m Stafford Davis, Sr.

2) their dau. Jane Davis m William Bagley

3) their dau. Mary Bagley m Enoch Hersey

4) their dau Mary Hersey m Thomas M. White

5) their dau. Susie White m Will Hersey

6) their son Willie Hersey m Iona Bicksler

7) their dau Dyann L. Hersey m Robert B. Noles

I am interested in learning more about the Lott families. I already have Jesse Paulk's book "Lott Families in Wiregrass Georgia" and the "Pioneers of Wiregrass" books by Huxford. "J.D." Lott indicated that these volumes have some errors. He also indicated that your WEB site had some information on the Lott families that migrated from southeast Georgia to Mississippi.

Robert B. Noles, Mandeville, LA

Date: 7/11/99 1:45:25 PM Central Daylight Time

From: s.miklas@worldnet.att.net (Susan Miklas)

To: JBarron933@aol.com

Hi, John,

Yes, I used to think that the Melba Arthur must have belonged to John. Some of Charles Watts' work has been filtering down to me during this last year. Have you come across enough to realize that it is mostly "hearsay"? With no documentation? Somebody has concluded that a likely candidate for Melba Arthur, is Wm Arthur Lott, son of John (son of Nathan Lott and Dicey Watts) and Sarah Aultman. He married a Moore and had 3 children. The story goes that he brought his wife's younger sister in when his wife became ill. Without divorce, he then had 9 children by younger Moore sister. Sarah Aultman Lott's land was supposedly in that corner of Covington that became part of Jeff Davis Co when founded in 1906. Records for this family are bound to be available somewhere. I will try to trace them down. Actual evidence speaks.

I just am not up for getting into a general debate on the "Indian Question" yet. I need evidence and am still seeking.

Thanks, Sue

Date: 7/11/99

To: campbird@detnet.com

CC: Lott Circle

In a message dated 7/6/99 1:12:04 AM Central Daylight Time, campbird@detnet.com writes:

<< Just wanted to let you know that I am also a direct descendant of Thomas Watts and Elizabeth Lott. I am trying get evidence that they did come to Texas in l841.Where did you find this? Also, do you have any knowledge about their son William Watts who married Patience Lott? I have a copy of the Watts family bible that states William Watts b.l800 in Ga.d.1842 in Harrison Co. Tx.. Also they had a son, John Watts who was born in l842 in Harrison Co., Tx. >>

Frances, you need to contact the Texas General Land Office and request the land grants for William Watts c1841. They have a site that can be accessed on the Texas GenWeb <http://www.txgenweb.com>. I didn't check for Watts, but I have several citations for Arthur Lott and son-in-law E.E. Lott who came to Harrison Co., Rep of TX, on (or before) Feb 1841 supposedly with Thomas Watts and family.

I think you have some good information on William Watts. If you could you send me a listing of the bible record I will pass it on to the group. Patience Lott Watts is shown on the Covington Co., MS census of 1850 with 3 children. Unless I read it wrong, it said they were all born in MS with the youngest John Wm. age 7 born MS. Below is a family group sheet for them (maximize your browser to see it better).

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Family Group

Subject* William Watts

Birth* cir __ ___ 1801GA; Letters from Susan T. Miklas (4 Raven Hills Ct.;

Colorado Springs, CO 30919) to John C. Barron, 1996-present;

in possession of John C. Barron (510 E. Braker Lane, Austin,

Travis Co., TX 78753).

Marriage* 18 Sep 1825Marion Co., MS; Ibid.

Death* bef __ ___ 1850Covington Co., MS (On 1850 census not shown with family).

Burial: __ ___ ____

Father* Thomas Watts (1761-1854)

Mother* Elizabeth Lott (1771-1830)

__________________________________________________________________________

Spouse* Patience Lott

Birth* cir __ ___ 1810GA; Letters, Miklas to Barron, 1996-present, Gave birth and

death dates.

Death* aft __ ___ 1870TX.

Burial: __ ___ ____

Father* Arthur Lott (1750-1812)

Mother* Sarah Ann Clapp (1770-1830)

__________________________________________________________________________

Three Children

__________________________________________________________________________

1/M Arthur T. Watts

Birth* cir __ ___ 1838MS.

Census* __ ___ 1850 (Covington Co., MS 1850 (p 298). Arthur T. age 12 b MS).

Marriage? __ ___ ____

Death: __ ___ ____

Burial: __ ___ ____

__________________________________________________________________________

2/F Susan P. Watts

Birth* cir __ ___ 1840MS.

Census* __ ___ 1850 (Covington Co., MS 1850 (p 298). Susan P. age 10 b MS).

Marriage? __ ___ ____

Death: __ ___ ____

Burial: __ ___ ____

__________________________________________________________________________

3/M John William Watts

Birth* cir __ ___ 1843MS.

Census* __ ___ 1850 (Covington Co., MS 1850 (p 298). John Wm. age 7 b MS).

Marriage? __ ___ ____

Death: __ ___ ____

Burial: __ ___ ____

Date: 7/11/99 9:54:30 PM Central Daylight Time

From: mikerowe@gmi.net (Russell Lott)

To: JBarron933@aol.com

Thanks John,

I feel confident about the birth year of 1851 for Allen Gaines Lott. Whether the exact date is January 24 or 25 is still a question. I'm also fairly confident that Simion and Thomas are correctly assigned to this family. But, you're right about something seeming fishy.

I do not have a death date for Thomas Jefferson Lott b. 19 Aug 1856, son of William Lott and Mary Jane Bryant. The Lutie Temple Lott manuscript that I'm relying on states that he "went to Texas" and is "buried in Waxahachie." Given your Texas roots, maybe you can turn up a date of death and cemetery location.

Russell W. Lott, Senatobia, MS

Date: 7/11/99

To: mikerowe@gmi.net

CC: Lott Circle

In a message dated 7/6/99 12:06:54 PM Central Daylight Time, mikerowe@gmi.net writes:

<< 1 She has Allen Gaines Lott b. 25 Jan 1851 m. Mary Aultman. You show his birthdate as 24 Jan 1854. Your date is just one month after the birth of his brother, Simion. Can you recheck you "William Lott Bible" source on this?>>>>>>>>>

Very interesting. I just have a transcription of the bible rec published in the Mississippi Genealogical Society Quarterly, vol 7, but it shows the above one month apart. I didn't catch that. However, the interesting part is that Simion and Thomas are the only children that do not say "son/dau of Wm & Mary Lott." Simion is also out of order of birth in the listing followed by Thomas. Something seems fishy here.

<< She has Jesse Bryant Lott b. 24 Apr 1842. You have the date as 21 Apr 1842. Can you also recheck this?<<<<<<<<<<

The 21st is what is in the transcription that I have.

<< Have you seen this manuscript? It claims that "South Carolina was the birth place of our William Lott, >>

I haven't seen it before. He listed Georgia as his birthplace on 1850 census and that is where all this group of Lotts were living in 1804. His wife was listed as born in SC.

John

Date: 7/11/99 8:20:11 PM Central Daylight Time

From: dlott@airnet.net (Dewel Lott)

To: JBarron933@aol.com

Hi John,

Thanks for answering my letter. In Fairfield Co., SC there were at least 3 Lott families. There was John, William and George. George died in 1812 and John and William died abt 1800. We believe that they were either brothers or cousins. No proof of this yet. There seems to have been some connection to the John Lott of NC. We have not found this connection yet. It may not have been very close.

My grandfather use to tell us a little about the Lott family. He said that there were 2(two) Lott brothers came to America in the 1600's from either England or Ireland. He would also tell the story about the two babies being captured by the Indians. Have you ever heard the story of this. My father said that an Uncle of his had a written copy of this story that he carried with him to Oklahoma in 1905. No one seems to know what happened to the paper.

Thank you, Dewel Lott

Date: 7/11/99 10:06:43 PM Central Daylight Time

From: mikerowe@gmi.net (Russell Lott)

To: JBarron933@aol.com (John Barron)

John,

As you can see from the partial descendant report below, I've assigned William Lott, who married Mary Bryant, as the eldest son of Nathan and Dicey. However, I see that you have him listed as the youngest child of Absalom Lott b. abt. 1758. Can you share with me the exact authority that you rely upon for this assignment?

Also, I would appreciate it if you could review my list below and point out any inaccuracies that you see (other than our previously discussed question about Allen Gaines Lott).

Russell W. Lott

Date: 7/11/99 10:27:48 PM Central Daylight Time

From: mikerowe@gmi.net (Russell Lott)

To: JBarron933@aol.com (John Barron)

John,

Do have any information about these three young Lott men living with other families in Covington Co., MS in 1850? The census shows the following:

William J. Lott, age 21, a student born in MS, living the family of Joseph McAfee (house #18)

Morgan M. Lott, age 22, a farmer born in MS, living alone (house #19) Jesse B. Lott, age 15, a student born in MS, living with the Powell family (house #20) Were they brothers? Who were their parents?

Russell W. Lott

Date: 7/12/99 12:48:39 AM Central Daylight Time

From: campbird@detnet.com (Harlan and Frances Camp)

To: JBarron933@aol.com

John,

Thanks for your interest in helping me. Sometimes I feel like the lone-ranger down here! I will send you a copy of some of the pages from the Arthur Watts(my grandfather's Bible).Hopefully it will help to clear -up some things with relations to the Watts family from here.

As you know, because of so many of the names having been repeated and repeated on both sides, it is a narrow plank to walk down just trying to find the correct person. There are so many John Watts that I really get confused! I know for sure that my gg-grandfather Albert Watts, who was Arthur's father, had a son named John as well. He was born in Ms. But, myggg-grandfather, William also had a son named John. He was the one born in Texas in l842.Then from some info I received from somewhere, he was listed with Patience Watts and two of his siblings back in Ms. in l850 census. It also listed Albert and his wife living next to them. I will have to look this up and send it to you. Albert's son John was afflicted and he lived the last years of his life with my g-father and g-mother, Arthur and Fannie Watts. in Livingston, Tx. He was said to have suffered a sun-stroke when he was about 12 yrs. old. He was very smart in lots of ways. He could read anything and write a beautiful hand. But he was limited in many other ways. He used to write to the Gov. Senators, and even the President. They would answer his letters because he sounded so interesting. When he died, many of them sent cards of condolence to the family. We always called him "Uncle Jack".He was very child-like in his actions.(I remember him as kinda spooky-looking. He always wanted to wear a long trench coat, even on warm days. They had a terrible time just getting him to take this off as well as take a bath.)

I will send the copies of the Bible soon,

Frances

Date: 7/14/99

To: dlott@airnet.net

In a message dated 7/11/99 8:20:11 PM Central Daylight Time, dlott@airnet.net writes:

<< My grandfather use to tell us a little about the Lott family. He said that there were 2(two) Lott brothers came to America in the 1600's from either England or Ireland. He would also tell the story about the two babies being captured by the Indians. Have you ever heard the story of this. >>

Dewel, I had not heard the story before, but it sounds like a legend that can probably never really be verified. These sort of legends typically stem from a something that really happened, but get changed over the years. I wouldn't put too much faith in it. I forwarded it to the Lott Circle and hope someone will respond.

John Barron

Date: 7/15/99

To: mikerowe@gmi.net

CC: Lott Circle

In a message dated 7/11/99 10:27:48 PM Central Daylight Time, mikerowe@gmi.net writes:

<< Do have any information about these three young Lott men living with other families in Covington Co., MS in 1850? The census shows the following:

William J. Lott, age 21, a student born in MS, living the family of Joseph McAfee (house #18)

Morgan M. Lott, age 22, a farmer born in MS, living alone (house #19)

Jesse B. Lott, age 15, a student born in MS, living with the Powellfamily (house #20)

Were they brothers? Who were their parents?

Russell W. Lott

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I don't know for sure, but I think they belonged to Simon Lott and wife Nancy (McAfee). Simon lived in Marion Co. on the 1820 & 30 census, but was in Covington in 1840. He was no where to be found in 1850. Below is what I have on him (maximum your screen to see it right) and would appreciate comments and opinions.

1. Simon Lott; (assumed to be son of Arthur and Sarah as he appeared in Miss. at same

time they did as well as witnessing deeds with Arthur and sons in Georgia); born between

1781 and 1789 (probably in GA with date estimates from census data); married Nancy

McAfee, daughter of Joseph McAfee, before 1820 (She is assumed to be wife shown on 1820 census).

He lived in 1802 Tattnall Co., GA (Anonymous, An Index to Georgia Tax Digests (GA:

Pub. for R.J. Taylor Foundation, 1986), p 49. Hereinafter cited as Geo. Tax Digests.). He

lived in 1805 Tattnall Co., GA (Ibid., p 53.). He witnessed the deed of Elizabeth Lott on

10 Feb 1810 Telfair Co., GA (Letters from Susan T. Miklas (4 Raven Hills Ct.; Colorado

Springs, CO 30919) to John C. Barron, 1996-present; in possession of John C. Barron (510

E. Braker Lane, Austin, Travis Co., TX 78753), transcribed from Deed Book A, p 187, said I

Absolom Lott do give to my beloved daughter Elizabeth Watts a Negro woman.). He lived on 5 Jun 1810 Tattnall Co., GA (Folks Huxford, "1810 Jury List, Tattnall County, Ga," in

Special Aids to Genealogical Research on Southern Families. (Washington, DC: National

Genealogical Society, 1962), p 85, said Simon Lott served on grand jury. Hereinafter cited

as "1810 Jury List".). He witnessed record for Arthur Lott on 28 Apr 1812 Tattnall Co., GA

(Daniel L. Lott, The Web of Kinship (Descendants of John L. Lott) (Ala: Unpublished

Manuscript, 1997), Said Arthur Lott tax collector of Montgomery Co., now Tattnall Co.,

pays taxes on land. Simon Lott as witness. Hereinafter cited as Desc of John L Lott.). He

began military service in 1814 Miss. Terr (E. Russ Williams, Miscellaneous Legal and

Family Records Pertaining to the Areas of Pike and Walthall Counties, Mississippi (Easley,

SC: Southern Hist Press, 1978), Said served as sgt in 13th regt (Nixon's) Miss Militia.).

He lived in 1817 Marion Co., MS (E. Russ Williams, Abstracts of Deeds of Marion Co., Miss

(Bogalusa, LA: Privately Published, 1962), p 9. Simon Lott, marks & brands.). He appeared

on the census in 1820 Marion Co., MS (Simon Lott 20001-001 (age 26-45)). He witnessed the probate of the estate of John Warren (RS) on 22 Jan 1822 Marion Co., MS (E. Russ, Jr.

Williams, Orphan Court Records [Marion Co., MS] (Abstracts of Wills and Estates) 1812 -

1859 (Bogalusa, La: no publisher, 1962), p 14, said bonded John Warren, Jr., Dan Warren,

William Lott, and Simon Lott. Hereinafter cited as Orphan Court Recs Marion Co., MS.). He

appeared on the census in 1830 Marion Co., MS ((p 112) Simon Lott (age 40-49)

2100001-0210001 18s). He executed a deed on 20 Jan 1832 Marion Co., MS (Williams,

Abstracts of Deeds, p 54, said Simon Lott gives slaves to wife Nancy and her children and

appoints wife's father, Joseph McAfee, guardian.). He appeared on the census in 1840

Covington Co., MS ((p 141) Simon Lott (age 50-59) 01211002-1010).

There were no known children of Simon Lott and Nancy McAfee.

Date: 7/15/99

To: jckmhm

Connie, I saw your query on the GenForum concerning the Lott and Miller families who came to early Texas. I have studied this Lott family extensively as it is related to my own Lott line. I have considerable data on them and can help you piece it together. Check my web page for now by clicking on the following: John Barron's Home Page .

Under the section entitled "Descendants of John Lott" you will find the John Lott who married Celia Neal. He is the 4th John in a row and lived in Marion Co., MS, before moving to the Florida Terr. c1825. He and his brothers Arthur and Robert (and possibly Jesse) came to Mexican Texas about 1835. John died about 1848 while living in Limestone Co., TX. I have a lot more data than what is on the web page now.

I moderate a group of on-line Lott researchers who study the family and would like to include you in the group. There is at least one other who share this line in the group.

John Barron, Austin, TX

Date: 7/18/99 1:30:48 PM Central Daylight Time

From: mikerowe@gmi.net (Russell Lott)

To: JBarron933@aol.com

John,

I'm anxious to see your data on William's parents. I believe Nathan and Dicey's son William was the one who m. Mary Bryant. This is consistent with what I've received from descendants of William's line.

Joe Lott tells me that William and Mary are buried in New Hope Cemetery in Covington Co. where Nathan and Dicey are also buried. This was news to me as I was under the impression that Nathan and Dicey's burial place was unknown. A few months back I found an online link to the cemetery census of Covington Co. by Pickering and Rogers but it did not include a full listing for New Hope Cemetery. Nor did it include either of these couples.

-Russell

Date: 7/18/99

To: mikerowe@gmi.net

In a message dated 7/11/99 10:06:43 PM Central Daylight Time, mikerowe@gmi.net writes:

<< I see that you have him listed as the youngest child of Absalom Lott b. abt. 1758. Can you share with me the exact authority that you rely upon for this assignment? >>

I had assigned him to that family on early advice from Sue Miklas, but had changed it to Nathan and Dicey too as you show it. I just haven't uploaded my latest descendant chart to the web page. Will check on the rest of what you sent when I can.

I tend to go by the old cowardly programmers lament about "Don't change anything that's working 'cause it may never work again." Guess I'll have to bite the bullet and do it now.

Thanks for the sharp eye, John

Date: 7/18/99

To: s.miklas@worldnet.att.net

Sue, I think I made a boo boo. I know it's hard to believe, but you know how it goes. Recently you asked me who I thought Art Lott of Melba really was and I said I thought he was the son of John (b c1742). I had forgot about our discussions of him being the son of Absalom. I went back to my records and found that I had written the following on Absalom's son Arthur (you may need to make your browser screen larger to read it).

1. Arthur Lott; born circa 1795 (probably GA); married Deshultz (--?--) (If the legends

of Indian ancestry as described in the affidavits of Elbert Watts and John A. Lott have

any validity at all, then this Arthur Lott would appear to be the one who had the common

law wife named Deshultz. The legend goes that Arthur himself was half Indian which would

fit the story that his mother was "Princess Patsy Lightfoot." He was also Elbert Watt's

great uncle which would make him known to the family.

However, the affidavits claimed that Arthur was the father of Elizabeth Lott who married

Thomas Watts. This is known to be incorrect due to the deed of gift from Absalom Lott to

daughter Elizabeth.

I believe that John A. Lott knew this and, for that reason, never signed the affidavit to

made it official. Elbert Watts did sign it and, I believe, sent it on to John A. Lott.

Elbert was, however, far removed from the old family ties in both time and space and was

perhaps simply confused about the relationships. He may have been confusing the story of

Sarah Ann Clapp, wife of Absalom Lott's brother Arthur, being part Indian.

This Arthur may also have been the Art Lott of Melba, MS, who was described as having 9

children by a common law Indian wife.

As is the problem with many legends, the Indian heritage in the Lott family does not

completely make sense. There has to be something to it, however, as it is so widespread.

It should be viewed with caution since none of the persons making the claims had first

hand knowledge of the events. These stories should be treated as clues until better

evidence can be found); died after 1850 MS.

He began military service in 1814 MS Terr (E. Russ Williams, Miscellaneous Legal and

Family Records Pertaining to the Areas of Pike and Walthall Counties, Mississippi (Easley,

SC: Southern Hist Press, 1978), Said served as pvt in 13th regt (Nixon's) Miss Militia.

Assumed to be the Arthur Lott, Jr. on this roll.).

Date: 7/20/99 5:48:22 AM Central Daylight Time

From: noles@gs.verio.net (Noles, Robert B.)

To: JBarron933@aol.com

Hi John,

Thanks so much for letting me know about your Web Pages. I have been enjoying reading your Web Pages. Fascinating! You have completed a lot of research!

I notice in your Genealogy Report for John Lott (b c 1700), that a number of the Georgia Lott families migrated west to Mississippi. I have been focusing on the Georgia Lott families because my wife's ancestors stayed in southeastern Georgia, but I have always been curious about the families that went west. Your Web Site is the first documentation I've seen about the Mississippi Lott families.

I'm curious, is there any connection between the Mississippi Lott families that you have traced and the current Senator Trent Lott from Mississippi?

Regards, Rob

Date: 7/20/99

To: noles@gs.verio.net

In a message dated 7/20/99 5:48:22 AM Central Daylight Time, noles@gs.verio.net writes:

<< I'm curious, is there any connection between the Mississippi Lott families that you have traced and the current Senator Trent Lott from Mississippi? >>

Rob, Senator Lott's people are the Carroll Co., MS, group. Most of these were descendants of Edgefield Co., SC group. I'm sure they are all related.

John

Date: 7/20/99 11:50:20 AM Central Daylight Time

From: s.miklas@worldnet.att.net (Susan Miklas)

To: JBarron933@aol.com

Hey, John,

You are allowed a boo-boo now and then. I have as many operating the computer as in genealogy.

I like the Arthur you mentioned. He surely fits into the family better than the Arthur that Dan Lott and his sidekick, Joe, are pushing as Absalom's son. Dan claims it is the Arthur Lott, listed as manager with a McLaurin family in 1850 census, age 36, single. I discarded him immediately, because of the 1820 Covington Co census which shows 1 male 16-18, 1 male 16-25 and 1 male 45+ and 1 f 16-25 and 1 f 45+ in fam of Absalom Lott. I believe it indicates Absalom Jr and his w, Sarah Watts, and youngest ch, William. I will take yours, b 1795, but not sure he is Melba Arthur.

I've been wanting to send some of my documentation on John Watts to Watts Group. I got a 4100 HP Scanner requires Win98. John Jamison said I needed to send it small, abt 70 KB, as jpg or gif. The 1st is the 1820 census and my notes on JWatts' family. I have made every size and the latest have come out solid black. Talk about boo-boos!! Can you read this one? How can I make it better? I have Adobe Photo Delux + Win Imaging.

Thanks, Sue

PS I'm putting my data in TMG. I have FTM and UFT + DOS Roots3. What a mess!!

Date: 7/21/99

To: s.miklas@worldnet.att.net

In a message dated 7/20/99 11:50:20 AM Central Daylight Time, s.miklas@worldnet.att.net writes:

<< Can you read this one? How can I make it better? I have Adobe Photo Delux + Win Imaging. >>

Sue, it came out blank. Give it another shot as it's an important thing for all of us to do. Just saw a marriage license Saturday that was scanned and printed that was awesome. I'm experimenting with photos. My father just died last month and I have a favorite picture of him with a huge catfish that he caught that I want to put on the web page as a memorial.

When you can get past the steep learning curve of TMG you will see that it is a superior product. It's not glitzy like FTM, but it was obviously written by people who at least listened to genealogists.

John

Date: 7/20/99 12:06:36 PM Central Daylight Time

From: BandB4951

To: JBarron933

Hi, John,

Do you show any information on

Ripley COPELAND,

born: 1761

mother: Elizabeth TABERES

father: Nicholas COPELAND

married: Nancy LOTT

born: ??

parents: ??

Bellinda

Date: 7/20/99 11:14:56 PM Central Daylight Time

From: USER MACKS

To: JBarron933

Hi John:

A while back I told you I would send you an article that appeared in a Hattiesburg, Mississippi newspaper on the Perry County Joshua Lott. Finally, I've gotten around to doing it. I wanted you to take a look at it before posting it to the Lott Circle. I have no idea how factual it is as there is no documentation with it. When I read it, I thought it was interesting and stuck it in my Lott file even though this was not "my" Joshua. If you think it would be appropriate, please send it on to the Circle.

The article appeard in The Advertiser News in Hattiesburg, MS on May 15, 1996. Hope you enjoy it.

Donna

LEAF RIVER CLAIMS PERRY COUNTY TOWN

by Richard Roman

Many years ago in Perry County there was a town called Try Again. Today it no longer exists. What caused its decline and where was it?

When Perry County was formed in 1820, settlers began buying land along the rivers and creeks first, as those were the choice sites, waterways being the primary means of travel.

Joshua Lott was one of the pioneers who settled along the Leaf River by 1820. Lott died by 1833 and his son Darling became head of the household. He was born in South Carolina in 1809. Looking for a good place to raise his family, he settled just north of where Beaumont is now.

On Sept. 25, 1854 Darling bought lots five, six and seven in Section 27 township three, north range, nine west, containing 305 acres, all south of the Leaf River. Later he opened a small store on his property, and on July 6, 1858 a U.S. Post Office began operating out of his store.

Darling's son Rankin Calvin became postmaster. Also in 1858 Thompson Creek Baptist Church joined the Ebenezer Baptist Associaion of Mississippi with Darling and Asa Laird as delegates to the state conference.

So the little community had a general store, post office, Baptist church and probably a river ferry. This was a good location on Leaf River, as it was half way between the county seat at Augusta and the old county seat of Greene County, Greene's Courthouse.

But the end was near for the little town of Try Again. When the Civil War started in 1861, three of Darling's sons join the Confederate Army. Sgt. Rankin Calvin received a disability discharge in 1863 and returned to Try Again. Absolom Marvin was killed in 1864, and Darling claimed his body and brought it bacvk to Try Again for burial.

Darling Thadius Calvin returned after the war and died in 1908. He is buried in Sylvester Cemetery one and one-half miles from Try Again.

On Jan. 30, 1867 the Try Again post office closed. In 1869 Postmaster/1st Sgt. Rankin Calin Lott died from his war wounds at the age of 31. In 1871 Thompson Creek Baptist Church suddenly withdrew from Ebenezer Association. In 1875 Darling Lott died.

Did the Leaf River change its course around 1876 or 1877? A look at today's map of Perry County will show that the Leaf River does not enter Section 27 at all.

All that remains of Try Again today is Lott's Dead Lake (Old course of the river) and Lott Cemetery, both north of the Leaf River. There are no marked graves in Perry County for Darling Lott, his two wives Lucretia and Delilah, his sons Rankin Calvin and Absolom Marvin. Are any of them buried in the three unmarked graves in Lott Cemetery? Or did the changing course of the Leaf River claim the remains of the founder and the postmaster of Try Again?

Date: 7/22/99 10:12:11 AM Central Daylight Time

From: PACES@ferro.com (Sam Pace)

To: jbarron933@aol.com

John,

You've got quite a lot of information there. I have a good bit of information on the Lott families in Covington and Marion Counties, MS. I'm descended from the Lott and Watts families in several directions on my father's side.

A friend of mine in Marion County has some extensive material on the descendants of Luke Lott. Her name is Mrs. Louise Anderson.

Three other Lott descendants, the late Mr. Carroll Watts, Mr. O.C. Gurley, and a third who is also passed away and is unknown to me, compiled a lot of information on this family and their descendants over a number of years. When the fellah that is unknown to me passed away, all the research material he had entered on his computer was lost. So Mr. Watts and Mr. Gurley asked for Mrs. Anderson's assistance in entering the hard copy data they still retained into a computer to organize and eventually publish it.

However, within a short time after this effort, Mr. Watts died also (3/93). Since then, Mrs. Anderson has intended to publish this material just to honor those men's efforts, but since it was never her project she always seems to get sidetracked with other responsibilities. I haven't seen Mr. Gurley but once since Mr. Watts died. I'm no longer sure how he's doing. I've submitted material from one of my gg-grandfather's down to the present, which is in this material and I've edited some of the Lott information. But it's an overwhelming amount of work with the other projects, work, etc.

Let me know if you're interested in this material and I'll keep you posted on when it might be published.

Sammy

Date: 7/22/99

To: mikerowe@gmi.net

CC: Lott Circle

In a message dated 7/22/99 5:43:49 PM Central Daylight Time, mikerowe@gmi.net writes:

<< John and Lott Circle members,

I came across this entry in Russ Williams' "Orphan Court Records of Marion Co, MS" as it is transcribed for web access and available at GenealogyLibrary.com:

...........................

(Note: The surname Jones has apparently been misread by the transcriber as Sones.)

Will of Henry Sones, Senr.

Estate to be divided among children: Sarah Lott, Harriett Harris, John Horrin Sones, Benj. Sones, Francis B. Sones, Martha Elizabeth Sones, Andrew Jackson Sones, Rebecca Sones. The older children have received their full share. Executors are to be sons-in-law: John Tyner & Arthur Lott. Dated April 25, 1822.Wit: Gilbert Stovall, George H. Dashner, S. Duke. Simon Duke, Gilbert Stovall, &amp; Arthur Lott. Jr., attest to will. Mar. 24, 1823.

...........................

The mention of Arthur Lott as a son-in-law is puzzling. I don't have a record of an Arthur Lott marrying into the Jones family. Furthermore, the first Jones child listed is Sarah Lott. If we make the assumption that she married the Arthur Lott listed as son-in-law, I can't find a match this couple to any of my other records. Can anyone sheds some light on this relationship?

Russell W. Lott

Senatobia, MS

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Actually, Russell, it is Sones. I used to think it was Jones too. Arthur Lott and Sarah Sones were married in Marion Co., MS Terr. on 12 Nov 1817. I feel sure that this Arthur was the one mentioned in the deed of gift from Washington Co., MS Terr. in 1808. He had brothers John, Jesse, Luke, and Robert A. All of them except Luke came to Mexican Texas about 1835 after spending a few years in Florida.

I don't know if Arthur and Sarah had any children, but Sarah must have died in the 1820s since Arthur married Harriet Wheddon in 1831 shortly before coming to Texas. He died about 1848 and she was remarried to Pleny Black by 1850 when they showed up in the census in McLennan Co., TX. All the kids were listed as Black, but in later years they took back their Lott surname.

John Barron

Date: 7/22/99

To: mikerowe@gmi.net

In a message dated 7/22/99 9:13:39 PM Central Daylight Time, mikerowe@gmi.net writes:

<< This marriage of Arthur Lott and Sarah Sones doesn't show up in your "Descendants of John Lott" webfile. Is this a fairly recently discovery for you? In fact, if I read your file correctly, you have the Arthur in question as: >>

The Arthur in question is shown in my listing as the son of John Lott (#16). Boy, do I need to update this chart as I have done a ton of research on the early Texas Lotts such as this one.

Thanks for your digging and asking questions. That's the only way we will ever get a handle on all these Johns, Arthurs, etc. It's like a 1000 piece puzzle with no picture.

John

Date: 7/22/99 9:13:39 PM Central Daylight Time

From: mikerowe@gmi.net (Russell Lott)

To: JBarron933@aol.com

Thanks, John, for helping to clear this up. I have seen this Henry as "Jones" in some of the 1820 Census databases available online, but I hadn't encountered (that I recall) the Sones surname until today. Interestingly, the online version of Russ Williams' work that I was viewing used Henry Jones in a couple of spots and Sones in the others.

This marriage of Arthur Lott and Sarah Sones doesn't show up in your "Descendants of John Lott" webfile. Is this a fairly recently discovery for you? In fact, if I read your file correctly, you have the Arthur in question as:

"Arthur Lott; born circa 1780 GA; married Deshultz (--?--)(Sue Miklas (4 Raven, She supplied convincing argument that this was the Arthur Lott who "married" the Indian Deshultz described in the affidavit of John A. Lott of Smith Co., TX.)."

Have you stepped away from this position or is there something I'm missing here?

Russell W. Lott

Date: 7/23/99

To: mikerowe@gmi.net

Yes, I have changed my mind about this. Actually, she did too and supplied an even more convincing argument that it must be old Absalom's son Arthur who married Deshultz or Deshulto (if there ever was such a woman).

John

Date: 7/22/99 10:08:34 PM Central Daylight Time

From: mikerowe@gmi.net (Russell Lott)

To: JBarron933@aol.com

John,

I'm glad you're not too pestered by my questions. I have done a lot of digging over the past few months, but at times I feel like I'm covering ground that's been well picked over and that some the other Lott researchers don't want to retrod. But, this is the only way I know how to proceed.

Some months ago, I was pretty confident that my line through Nathan and Dicey went straight on back to the "Three Johns". But, ever since I saw the Dawes affidavit showing Nathan's parents as Arthur and Deshulto, I've decided to that nothing for granted. As a result, I've found a number of inconsistencies what has become the generally accepted data. I hope that one day we can solve this puzzle.

Again, thanks for tolerating my probing.

-Russell

Date: 7/27/99 10:05:41 PM Central Daylight Time

From: DANFMLY

To: JBarron933

Hi John

I am super impressed by the job you and your circle have done on sorting out fact from fiction re the complicated Lott ancestry.

I am a gggrandson of the late George F. Lott of Covington Co, MS. I have for some time been interested in the event of his early death. From your homepage I learned he was "killed by J.P. Pearce Broome at Williamsburg, 1/6/1866", and that Sue Miklas was the source of the information. I would greatly appreciate any additional information that either of you might be able to provide.

If I can make this cut and paste work, Below will show my relationship to George F.

George Franklin Lott married Sarah in Covington Co. about 1856. They had five children including Mary Angelina Lott born 1/1857. Mary Angelina married James Alexander Ishee in Covington Co. about 1876. There children were:

George Franklin b. 5/1877

Candis Jane b. 4/1880 (my grandmother)

Lou b. 1/1882

Effie Dicey b. 12/1886 (married George Riels)

Sarah (Sadie) b. 5/1890

Occie b. 9/1891

Coy b. 6/1892

Carrie b. 3/1894 in AL

Frances b. 6/1896 in AL

Roberta May (Bertie) b. ? (married Joe Lott)

Candis Jane Ishee married Oscar Howard Gray in Wayne Co. around 1900. Their children were:

Sarah Alma b. 3/3/1903 in Seminary, MS (married Randolf Brewton)

Ruth Catherine b. 7/11/1906 in Sumrall, MS (my mother)

James Andrew b. 9/29/1908 in Sumrall, MS

Ruth Catherine Gray married Lee Roy Daniel (his 2nd) 9/5/1936 in Sumrall, MS. Their children were:

John Howard Daniel b. 2/2/1938 (that's me)

Joe Rayford Daniel b. 4/4/1940

Thanks in advance for any info you provide

John

Date: 7/28/99 12:47:36 PM Central Daylight Time

From: rlott@insolwwb.net (Rick Lott)

To: JBarron933@aol.com (John Barron)

John, you probably know about this but just in case: the Bureau of Land Management has an Official Land Patent Records Site at www.glorecords.blm.gov. I found two land patent records (or whatever you call them) for a Thomas W. Lott, possibly my grandpa. He acquired two parcels of 160 acs. each in 1894 and 1905, one in Jeff Davis Co. and another in Marion Co. Also, I found 5 records for Arthur(s); the 1829, 1833, and 1840 acquisitions probably by the same Arthur and the 1892 one obviously by another Arthur. The 1840 patent of 159 acs. was granted conjointly with Solomon J. Lott (that name rings a bell but can't place it). Interestingly, the land sold to Arthur in 1892 appears to join that of Thomas W. Lott's bought in 1894, 6-N Township, Range 16-W and 6-N Township, Range 17-W respectively. Do you know the relationship between the two men? Cheers, Rick

Date: 8/2/99 3:15:52 PM Central Daylight Time

From: klthompson@fnbop.com (Ken Thompson)

To: JBarron933@aol.com

Hi John. I've been working on my family info and have been recently concentrating on Sarah Ann Clapp. I've not been able to find *any* documentation on her. I noticed in the info on your web page you documented with a "Sue Miklas" in Colorado. I was wondering if she had any documentation or information on Sarah Ann Clapp. Can I get in touch with her? Can you help me with Sarah Ann Clapp? *any* help would be appreciated!!

Sheila

Date: 8/4/99

To: klthompson@fnbop.com

CC: Lott Circle

Sheila, Arthur Lott's wife was named Sarah Ann. The surname Clapp comes from a letter written in 1902 from The U.S. Department of the Interior, Office of Indian Affairs to her descendants rejecting their claim for citizenship. This letter is on my web page.

I do not believe that she was Indian. She was married to Arthur Lott at least as early as 1785 and all their children were evidently born in Georgia. His whereabouts at this time is unknown to me. I have read that he was a Rev Sol. but I've found no evidence of this. If Sarah Ann was 20 when she married and 45 when she had her last child in 1810, then that would make her born about 1765. I have one record of her in Georgia when she was named as Arthur's wife when he sold 1,000 acres while living in Tattnall Co. in 1807.

The following is what I have on her:

Individual Detail

Subject* Sarah Ann Clapp (1963)

Name-Var: __ ___ ____ Sarah Ann Lott

__________________________________________________________________________

Father*

Mother*

__________________________________________________________________________

Birth* c __ ___ 1765

Marriage* c __ ___ 1780 Arthur Lott (235) (1750-1812); GA.

Son: bt 1781-1789 Simon Lott (5088) (1781- ); probably in GA with date estimates from census data.

Son: c __ ___ 1785 William Lott (4244) (1785- ); GA.

Son: bt 1785-1788 Arthur Lott (233) (1785-1854); GA; must have been 21 by 1807 as he participated in land grant drawing, but said age 62 in 1850 census.

Son: c __ ___ 1792 John Lott (4241) (1792-1850); GA.

Son: c __ ___ 1794 Nathan Lott (War 1812) (4242) (1794- ); GA.

Son: c __ ___ 1796 Solomon Lott (4243) (1796-1848); GA.

Daughter: c __ ___ 1803 Penelope Lott (1974) (1803-1870); GA.

Daughter: c __ ___ 1810 Patience Lott (4245) (1810-1870); GA.

Marriage* 28 Jun 1816 John Warren (RS) (3707) (1752-1821); Marion Co., MS; Marriages Marion Co., MS 1812-1824. p 121.

Census* __ ___ 1820 Marion Co., MS 1820. 1m >45, 1f <10, 1f >45 (born b1775).

Death* c __ ___ 1830 MS.

Note: 02 Dec 1902 Testimony to Department of the Interior, Office of Indian Affairs #55819-1902, Washington, D.C., 2 Dec 1902. Many descendants named who claimed Choctaw ancestry through Sarah Ann Clapp. Claim rejected due to non compliance with regulations of Choctaw treaty of 1830.

Date: 8/3/99 4:23:25 PM Central Daylight Time

From: MWende5727

To: JBarron933

I am looking for a Sarah Lott That would have married David Lott in Ala arroung the late 1800 they had several kids ones name was Mederva. They are in the Covington County Al ansd in Watson county fl. Sarah was a Hart and thats the reason for my search. CAN YOU HELP.

Date: 8/3/99 4:52:44 PM Central Daylight Time

From: grg@iname.com (Gerald R GALLAGHER)

Reply-to: grg@iname.com

To: JBarron933@aol.com (John Barron)

Some time ago, W.B. Moore sent me a copy of the claims made by John A. Lott and his brother, Arthur Thomas Lott. Today I saw claims made by their cousins Elizabeth Lott Stripling, John S. Lott and my great grandmother, Anna A. Lott Thorn. These claims contain affidavits from Patience Watts, R. B. Hubbard, H. C. Huggins, F. Lawson, Wm. J. Huggins and others. The claims all refer to Cherokee blood from the line Solomon Lott to John Lott to Elisha Everett Lott and Solomon J. Lott to the principals listed above.

There are several interesting things about these claims. First none of them claim Cherokee blood through Arthur Lott which each could have claimed as the wives of both Elisha Everett Lott and Solomon J. Lott were daughters of Arthur Lott. Previously, I have seen statements made that Arthur Lott's mother was a Cherokee named Desultz, but this is not the avenue of the formal request for Cherokee citizenship in these claims made to the Dawes Commission.

The claims generally contain 3 types of affidavits. In one, each principal lists his immediate family and states his ancestors. Most of the others are affidavits of persons who have know the principals for many years and state that they know the principal is of Cherokee blood but offer no specifics. However, the affidavit of Patience Watts is different. It states, " Solomon Lott married Nancy Smith in South Carolina. Nancy Smith was a Cherokee indian. John Lott was a son of Solomon Lott and Nancy Smith. Everett and Solomon Lott were sons of John Lott."

I know that your research lists Solomon Lott's wife as Ann unknown last name. Perhaps you will find this interesting. The copy I saw was very dark and I could not tell what decision was made with regard to citizenship. I will try to get a better copy if they have this at the national archives in Fort Worth. The copies I saw were obtained by my father's cousin through the Oklahoma Historical Society.

One other interesting fact. R. B. Hubbard was Richard Bennett Hubbard. He was the commanding officer of the CSA unit that Elisha Everett Lott was 2nd in command of in the Civil War. He was a lawyer and politician. He was elected Lt. Governor of Texas and became Governor when the elected governor resigned after appointing himself U.S. Senator to complete the term of a senator who had died. Richard Bennett Hubbard is the only Governor of Texas to serve without being elected Governor. Later, Richard Bennett Hubbard was appointed Envoy to Japan by the President when the U.S.A. was first establishing a trade relationship with Japan. For someone of this high public image to file an affidavit in the claims for Cherokee citizenship of the Lotts, he must have been completely convinced that the claims were true. Or at least it seems so to me.

I would like to find a clearer copy of these files to see what action was taken by the Dawes Commission or the Cherokee nation in either accepting or rejecting the claims.

Comments?

Gerald Gallagher

Date: 8/3/99 10:06:36 PM Central Daylight Time

From: stoii@juno.com

To: JBarron933@aol.com

John. We have been down for about three weeks now and just got on line again today. The date in question is 1st of Sept. 1823, he was issued a license to do business in the Creek Nation. Once again I need to ask you for your address as this last virsus wipes out the whole computer.

Joe

Date: 8/4/99

To: grg@iname.com

Gerald, thanks for the message. I have routed it to the group for comments too. I have seen some of the claims for John's descendants also, but can't lay my hands on them right now. I'll look for them.

According to Sue Miklas, John Lotts wife's name was Ann Everett, dau. of James Everett. I think this was from the research of Gloria Lott who was a descendant of "Old" Solomon. John's wife on the 1850 & 1860 census was named Ann born 1800-1804.

I'd certainly be interested in these documents and will get back to you on it.

John

Date: 8/5/99 10:37:01 AM Central Daylight Time

From: amoss@sunline.net (Arlina Moss)

Reply-to: amoss@sunline.net

To: JBarron933@aol.com

John, Just to probably add to the confusion, I saw this information on an Inman website.

William Copeland born in England ca 1699. Died in Chatham Co., NC. He was married twice. One marriage was to Margery Lott, daughter of Aaron Lott.

James Copeland, brother of William, born ca 1704 also married twice..once to a Lott ( first name unknown) and 2nd to a Martha Johnson.

Nicholas Copeland the Second, Isle of Wight Co., VA, born ca 1697, died 1742 Orange Co., VA, at age of 45. Body interred in Chatham Co., NC. He married Nancy Lott born 1726 in VA. Nancy died 1742 in Orange Co., VA at age of 38. She was a daughter of Aaron Lott.

the mystery continues! Arlina

Date: 8/5/99 7:24:20 PM Central Daylight Time

From: s.miklas@worldnet.att.net (Susan Miklas)

To: JBarron933@aol.com (John Barron)

John,

When I spent a week in SLC in Feb, I was reminded that American Colonists were British citizens and subject to British laws until after the end of the RW. In addition to primogeniture, British Law said in effect that a male of 16 could own land, buy, receive as gift, or inherit. He could live on it, but not sell it until he reached 21. I was working in NC at the time and reviewed those laws. Might this make a difference in estimating dob of some Lotts? Would they have been elgible for Grants at 16? Or does it really matter?

What do you think?

Sue M

Date: 8/6/99

To: s.miklas@worldnet.att.net

CC: Lott Circle

The two key points in my argument in my "Colonial Lott" paper for an older John born before 1700 should not be affected (I think). The jurat given by John Lott in Bertie Co. in 1733 and the deed witnessed by a John Lott, Jr. in Duplin Co. in 1754 would otherwise been made by boys in their early teens. What's your take on this situation?

Of course, it seems like anything's possible with this family. We don't seem to have made much progress lately on them. I guess I've hit the wall on records to find locally for now and hope that more internet connections open up to us. Did you do any good at SLC?

John

Date: 8/6/99 9:02:58 PM Central Daylight Time

From: s.miklas@worldnet.att.net (Susan Miklas)

To: JBarron933@aol.com

John,

I was thinking of the many Lotts who's birth year I estimated by one or more documents, some involving land. I thought of John Jr, Mark, Daniel and others. It could make 5yrs diff in dob. Would that help assign some to your 1st John?

Second given names, i.e. Absalom Charles Lott, Martha Jane Lott, etc. were not in vogue until aft RW in this country. In Eng. early days, only titles got several given names. Which John m Elizabeth Joiner doesn't matter to me, but she was at least mor/John/Soloman and Absalom(her bros). Right?

Lott wasn't at the top of my list in SLC this year.

I did spend some time going through all the LIGHTFOOT material. Some excellent researchers. The only Indian connection I found was William Lightfoot on the 1830 Choctaw "Armstrong Roll" in Mississipp1830. I thought you would find it amusing, I did. Let me know if the attachment is OK, please.

Sue

Date: 8/7/99

To: s.miklas@worldnet.att.net

CC: Lott Circle

Sue, the attachment didn't come through; it just sat there and did nothing. As to Elizabeth Joyner, I still think she and her brothers Solomon and Absalom were contemporaries to "old" John Lott, born c1700 or before. The first records from Bertie Co. in the mid 1730s concern the brothers and an apparent adult John Lott. I think John2, Mark, Jesse, James, and Daniel were sons of this John1. Pushing back the age for obtaining land a few years would tend to make these conclusions even stronger as I estimated that these sons would have been born in 1720s and 30s.

John

Date: 8/6/99 1:36:50 PM Central Daylight Time

From: RDemler@compuserve.com (Robert Demler)

To: jbarron933@aol.com (jbarron933@aol.com)

Dear John:

I descend from Amelia (Permelia) Lott who was born about 1838 in Mississippi, daughter of Arthur Lott who was born about 1780, possibly in North Carolina.

Robert Demler

Date: 8/7/99 9:17:51 AM Central Daylight Time

From: RDemler@compuserve.com (Robert Demler)

To: JBarron933@aol.com (INTERNET:JBarron933@aol.com)

Dear John:

No. My Arthur's father is thought to be John Lott and Arthur's mother a Joiner, possibly Elizabeth.

Tell me about yourself. I am from Port Arthur, Texas, and graduated from UT (Austin) in 1962. I have cousins on my Blanchard side with your name and there was a family I knew in Port Arthur with your name also. I now live in Miami but have lived overseas many years as a banker. California is now my home but I won't live there until retirement.

Robert Demler

Date: 8/7/99

To: RDemler@compuserve.com

Robert, if you will check my web page, you will find a descendant chart of John Lott along with an index to it. This John Lott was born about 1700 or a little earlier. I believe that he married Elizabeth Joyner, daughter of John Joyner of Isle of Wight Co., VA, c1720. She was the sister of Solomon and Absalom Joyner who settled in Bertie and later Edgecombe Co., NC, c1735. This is the reason that I have concluded that she married the older of the two John Lotts in Edgecombe Co. This is at odds with earlier conclusions which list her as the wife of a younger John which is what you seem to be showing above. The younger John Lott (born c1720) is the father Arthur (who is also my ancestor) and who was born c1750. This Arthur was killed by the Indians in Feb 1812, according to legend while enroute to the Mississippi Territory. His family continued on to what is now Marion Co., MS. To my knowledge he had no daughter named Amelia (or Permelia). You will find a list of his children in my chart. His son Arthur is my ggg-grandfather who settled in Smith Co., TX, and died in 1854.

As to me, in was born in Corsicana, Tx, am retired after spending my entire working career in various positions (fish and wildlife biologist, statistician, computer analyst) with the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department. I've been working on genealogy for about 20 years and concentrating on the Lott family for the last several years. I'm glad to have you as a member of our group and would like to receive a copy of your line (down to the youngest baby). I encourage comments, conclusions, and opinions at all times. Little of this Lott genealogy is concrete and it seems like no two of us agree on anything, but we do the best we can to document each event with reliable sources and try to separate legend from real evidence. If you have a query or question, send it to me and I will route it to the group. Or feel free to mail any of them if you wish. We don't have any rules.

John Barron, Austin, TX

Date: 8/7/99

To: s.miklas@worldnet.att.net

CC: Lott Circle

Well, after reading over my reply on this subject I realize that the exact opposite of what I said would actually occur, i.e., if boys as young as 16 could witness deeds, then my conclusion that there were two adult John Lotts in Edgecombe Co. in 1754 would be weakened. The John Lott Jr. who witnessed the deed could possibly be our old friend whom Frances Blitch in her DAR application said died at age 68. Since she thought he died in 1810, that put her birth estimate at 1742. But I think he actually died in 1807 which might make him born c1739. Getting close to that age 16.

John

Date: 8/8/99 5:25:04 PM Central Daylight Time

From: s.miklas@worldnet.att.net (Susan Miklas)

To: JBarron933@aol.com

John, Thanks,

While we are discussing ages. I found an estimated DOB for John Joyner, auth. of 1748 will, Nottoway Paarish, Isle of Wigt, VA as 1696. Estimated DOBs can very a little or a lot. I've got caught on more than one, i.e. John Watts, MG est. m Judith, 1870. Now I find Catherine was b bef Thomas not after. Couldn't that few years make John 1 contemporary of John Joiner, fat/Eliz.? Why can't John 1's 1st wife have been unknown? 2nd w/Emile. Elizabeth, dau/John Joyner,b c 1825, 1st w John 2, b 1820, 2nd w Bethany. I agree Bethany had no ch. There is not another Bethany Lott in any of my research. (Names are next) Then I have w & ch of Jesse the Loyalist of SC, connected to my direct line ancestor, Richard Bush.

Sue

Date: 8/8/99

To: s.miklas@worldnet.att.net

CC: Lott Circle

If that's the right John Joyner then that would certainly make sense. Somewhere I have him born c1660 which would make him a generation sooner. What a mess, huh? Maybe our grandkids will figure it out.

Date: 8/9/99 11:34:58 AM Central Daylight Time

From: s.miklas@worldnet.att.net (Susan Miklas)

To: JBarron933@aol.com

John,

CHOCTAW "Armstrong" ROLL - 1830 - Mississippi

This is somewhat similar to a regular US census with names down left followed by info designated columns, such as location of farm, condition of land, etc. About halfway down page 70 is this entry:

William Lightfoot - 5 in family - 3 ch under 10 - "A mulatto; half Indian and half negro.

Maybe, only funny to me after 10 hours of scanning Lightfoot genealogy when I should have been doing something else.

Sue

Date: 8/11/99 8:54:02 AM Central Daylight Time

From: stoii@juno.com

To: JBarron933@aol.com

Friend John, you should be getting my records by the end of the week if not sooner and of course there is much that could not be copied and we can go further with these records. and John I will leave it up to you what parts you decide to share with the group . I have always been careful not to hurt anyone with there family history. I don't think a great number of the lott group is ready to think of themselves as anything but white, and I understand this. this is why I have not sent some of my research to just anyone. also I sent what little I had on Chief Lott of the Nez Perce at Collive Res. we can go further with this also, my kids are enrolled there so I know they came from Idaho way back along with the Lewis Family From Oka. I would Think it would have been about the time when Chief Joseph was in Oka. 1850 the lotts kids were removed from there homes and sent to the Indian School in Penn. I am trying to get there records and pictures but have not found them yet. Well that all to say for now.

Joe

Date: 8/12/99 10:07:51 PM Central Daylight Time

From: stoii@juno.com

To: JBarron933@aol.com

Friend John, Glad to hear you got the packet. Don't worry about the copy expense, just sent them back when you are thru, these are my personal copies, as I haven't had much luck at copying them. Even with them you will see spaces where they just would not copy. I did have some luck with memoranda. I am searching the records Nathan and William Harrison Lott. They were the two Lott children who were sent to Caslisle Indian Industrial School in Penn. National Archives Group File #1327 Group 75. This could be just one of the reasons the Lotts hide their Indian Ancestory. Lightfoot, I know many people in the Ciorcle have been trying to make a connection. There was with out question a Cherokee Lightfoot family in the Carolinas. Only one Lightfoot applied for enrollment Eastern Band Cherokee, but could see no relationship to Lotts as I viewed his file. However there was a Lightfoot also listed at the school with the Lotts, but don't know the history on this yet as there was no tribe listed for him. And I don't think William Lightfoot who was made mention off in Choctaw Trading post records was connected to any of the related families of the Lotts as I can see, he was listed on Record at the Trading Post as 1/2 Negro and 1/2 Indian with no specific tribe.

Joe

Date: 8/15/99 9:40:40 PM Central Daylight Time

From: BandB4951

To: JBarron933

Dear John and Joe and all,

Any idea if the William LIGHTFOOT mentioned from the list was one William Dorsey LIGHTFOOT? I have found mention of him elsewhere along with a Thomas Dorsey LIGHTFOOT and a Virginia Dorsey LIGHTFOOT....all back in mid-late 1700's, I believe. Virginia Dorsey LIGHTFOOT connects with the DORSEY-HOWARD-ARUNDEL family in Maryland, I believe. There are, also, a lot of Cherokee LIGHTFOOT descending from Dorcas LIGHTFOOT-BENGE-DUNCAN. I think I sent that info to you before.

Best to all, Bellinda Myrick Barnett

Date: 8/18/99 4:05:40 PM Central Daylight Time

From: s.miklas@worldnet.att.net (Susan Miklas)

To: JBarron933@aol.com (John Barron)

John-

Here is, what I believe is ,our Lott connection to the name Darc(e)y (spelled various ways).

Primary evedence:

USCensus, MS, Marion County, Columbia - 1870 Extracted by Sue Miklas, Denver Pub. Lib, July 1996, Call # G929.3762, Micro Film Reel #20.

Family # 524

COOK, Henry 52 m farmer b MS

LOTT, Darcy 95 f at home b GA

COOK, Betsy 56 wife b MS

COOK, Anna Marie 15 b MS

FARNHILL, Julia 15, b MS

FARNHILL, Marion m 20 b MS

COOK, Sarah Ann 13 b MS

COOK, James M. 11 b MS

This might "stir the pot" a bit. I think she was the wife of Charles Lott( listed in ARMSTRONG ROLL 1830 as Choctaw). In another Indian Census, age was estimated as about 60. His estimated birth age b 1770 and Darcy b 1775. Who in the world did they belong to? Your John Lott III? Maybe one of the SC Lotts?

Maybe someone out there knows.

Sue M.

Date: 8/19/99 8:52:31 AM Central Daylight Time

From: vherrin@medicine.umsmed.edu (Vince Herrin)

To: JBarron933@aol.com

Interesting message from Sue. I'll try to find out who they are. Knowing the common surnames in Marion County, and the connections between families, I suspect two of those children were THORNHILL's and not FARNHILL's. I'll get back to you if I uncover anything.

Vince Herrin

Date: 8/19/99 9:02:48 PM Central Daylight Time

From: BandB4951

To: JBarron933

Oh, one of the interesting things that I don't know if I have mentioned before or not is as you will see where Karen HILL signs her name here and lists her ancestral grandparents.....there is her ggg grandfather that I have seen mentioned before who is John Magers DORSEY and, also, the plantation of Colonel Edward DORSEY is called 'Major's Choice.' The interesting aspect is that the son of Absalom LOTT and Martha Jane Dorsey/D'Arcy/Dorcy LIGHTFOOT is named Johnny Major LOTT. You may know of a better explanation than this....but since I don't this has caught my eye several times.

Bellinda

Date: 8/19/99 10:38:47 PM Central Daylight Time

From: stoii@juno.com

To: JBarron933@aol.com

well here is what I have for William Lightfoot he After the treaty of Dancing Rabbit Creek all the Indians who served under Gen A. Wayne could remain for five years and become citizens William Lightfoot sign ed up for this 1831 july 5 as having three children under 10 listed as Breed may be some kind of service records.

Joe

Date: 8/20/99 12:55:57 AM Central Daylight Time

From: s.miklas@worldnet.att.net (Susan Miklas)

To: JBarron933@aol.com (John Barron)

File: JohnWatts2.tif (47092 bytes)

DL Time (32000 bps): < 1 minute

John

I should have corrected this family sooner, sorry.

Andrew Leath sent me copies of all extant records in Smith and Wood Counties, TX years ago. I didn't know that he wrote a book. He surely helped keep me on the right path when I started on WATTS/LOTT. My copy of the original Final Acc't. of Thos. Watts' Estate shows only 3 of the 9 children predeceased Thomas. "To the heirs of William, George and Mary Hornsby", all in Covington Co. MS. To back this up, refer to the US Census 1860,Covington C0, MS. Family

#310 shows John and Penelope with youngest children, Wm. G. and Julia A. I am not sure when John died, but it was aft 1860 and bef 1866.

FINAL SETTLEMENT of his Estate was presented in Covington Co, MS Probate Court, October Term, 1866. Book A, pg 247. It was sent to me years ago by Mary Lois Ragland, direct descendent of the dau, Rhoda Watts Wilkes. This includes both a Watts and a Lott lineage. John and Penelope were first cousins.

I know I should be able to send the descendants of J & P to you from TMG, but I better not try. Two ch predeceased John, Thomas and Patience. I don't have a clue who Elijah Hearvey was. Two daus were widows by 1866, Rhoda and Elizabeth.

Sue M.

Date: 8/20/99 12:59:23 AM Central Daylight Time

From: s.miklas@worldnet.att.net (Susan Miklas)

To: JBarron933@aol.com (John Barron)

JOHN WATTS AND PENELOPE LOTT

John Watts b 1799, pbly in Telfair Co., GA. Married on 29 Aug 1822, Marion Co, MS.( William Watts was Bondsman) to Penelope Lott, 1803. He died between 1860 and 1866. She d after 1866. She had 13 live births and all children were of good health and lived to adulthood, married and had issue. Only 3 were males: Thomas L. b 1828, R.W. b 1828 and William G. b 1845. I have never heard that the first two were twins. My mother had brothers 11 months apart who were b in the same year. All births are estimated from census returns except for Sarah Ann and Hattie. They both married before the 1850 census. Thomas and Patience died before 1866 and Rhoda and Elizabeth were widows in 1866. If someone finds any more about these families, please, let me know.

Sarah Ann Watts m Benjamin Duckworth

Hattie Watts m F.M. Smith

Thomas L. Watts m Sarah Oates Children: Seaborn, Jacob, Thomas, John and Adelaide

R.W. Watts m/1 Bathsheba Lott ca 1848, m/2 Elizabeth 1855

Mary Watts m George W. Lott. She was a widow in 1870> Children: Thomas, John, Catherrine, Allis, Jeffeerson, G.W. and Elizabeth. I don't know the parents of heer husband.

Patience Penelope Watts m Edward Buckley. He was a widower in 1866. Children: Mira, William, Thomas, Kate and Josaphine.

Elizabeth Watts m Henry Taylor

Martha A. Watts m Francis Marion Watts( son/Reuben Watts and Martha Nall.) Ch in 1870 were Claborn, Owin, Reuben and Ophelia.

Katherine S. Watts m T. D. Harris

Angeline Watts m Jesse L. Herring

Rhodda Bonita Watts m Henry George Wilkes

William G. Watts m/1 Mary McGee

Julia Artemesia Watts m George M. "Dallas" Watts. I would like to know who his parents were

Sue Miklas

Date: 8/20/99 11:28:09 PM Central Daylight Time

From: bfreeman@usit.net (Beverly Freeman)

To: JBarron933@aol.com

John,

I keep reading your information and enjoying every bit of it. I just can't seem to connect to anything. I wonder if anyone else in our group can make the connection. As you can see, many of the names are very similar to your Lott family.

I will really appreciate any information that you may find. I have about 500 pages on the descendants of John Lott, b. 1817. He was married at least twice and had 9 children in McNairy Co., TN, where it seems that he lived at least from about 1840 until his death.

Probable sister: Sena Lott, b. 1815, KY, married 1. a Hodges, married 2. 1845, McNairy Co., TN: William Fleming Proffitt, moved to AR abt. 1850, then on to TX.

John Lott, b. 1817, TN. Both parents b. KY, married 1. Elizabeth L. "Betsy" Robbins. Children: William Harrison Lott, b. 1841, TN, Daniel Hugh Lott, b.1846, TN, Martha Lott, b.1848, TN, John Robbins Lott, b.1853, TN and Robert L. Lott, b. 1855, TN. Elizabeth died 1855.

John Lott married Mary J. (maiden name unknown). Children: Sarah Ann "Sally" Lott, b.1859, TN, Eliza D. Lott, b.1860,TN, Thomas J. Lott b.1862, TN, and Nancy E. "Nan" Lott, b.1864, TN.

Grandchildren:

William Harrison Lott m.Sarah Trice; ch:Cora Jane, John H., Josie Wilma, William Robbins, Sara Elizabeth "Lizzie", Lillian, Jesse Brown, Laura Adline, and Henderson F. Lott.

Daniel Hugh Lott m.1. Mary C. Miller; ch: Belia and Johnnie (male, died young) m2. Mary J. Clayton; ch: Charlie, William Luther, Albert Bryant, Marcus, Lillie, and Orbie Henry Lott.

Martha Lott no further info.

John Robbins Lott m. Amy Catherine O'Neal; ch: Harmon Sherle, Mary Logan, Winnie Dinisha, Hardin O'Neal, Millard Buran, Robert Brose, and Jennie Effie Lott.

Robert L. Lott no further info.

Sarah Ann "Sally Lott m. Alex Larue; ch: John Arthur, Pearl, Minnie D., and Brady Bryan Larue.

Eliza D. Lott m. Robert B. "Buck" Sewell, no children.

Thomas J. Lott m. Eugenia Robison, no children.

Thanks for any additional info. that you may share with me. Beverly

Date: 8/21/99 6:02:33 PM Central Daylight Time

From: s.miklas@worldnet.att.net (Susan Miklas)

To: stoii@juno.com

CC: JBarron933@aol.com (John Barron)

>hELLO WOULD THIS HAVE BEEN Charles Thomas Lott?

The Charles Lott I refer to was b abt 1770 or sooner. Thomas Watts m Elizabeth Lott (dau of Absalom) abt 1781. My Chas. had no middle name.

Sue M.

Date: 8/21/99 9:03:33 PM Central Daylight Time

From: s.miklas@worldnet.att.net (Susan Miklas)

To: JBarron933@aol.com (John Barron)

John

Please change William G. Watts from m Mary McGee to m/1 Mary Ann "Mollie" McGrew, m/2 Elizabeth "Lizzie" Moore. This info comes from CW records. I missed. I hope that is the only miss.

I spent hours getting that court doc little, can't believe it came out backwards.

Sheila Thompson sent this correction. Should I send you copy of her email and my answer?

Sue M

Date: 8/21/99 11:38:53 PM Central Daylight Time

From: s.miklas@worldnet.att.net (Susan Miklas)

To: JBarron933@aol.com (John Barron)

John

The ch of Arthur Lott (Arthur Jr, Penelope and Patience) were first cousins to Elizabeth Lott (dau/Absalom Lott). Those three to 3 of Thos & Eliz.'s ch were not first cousin marriages. Three of their ch m 3 of Thos' sisters ch. George, Mary and Absalom L. Turns out Thomas and Elizabeth were smarter than I am. Please, take that false note off marriages of John, Elizabeth and William.

What next?

Sue

Date: 8/22/99 5:58:30 PM Central Daylight Time

From: DEE3DEE3D

To: JBarron933

Hello John -

You're web site is overwhelming. It looks like you have put a lot of time and effort into the LOTT Family Research. I have spent the last several hours pouring over all the information, and feel like I have just begun to scratch the surface.

I know you must get questions on the family generation chart all the time. I am relatively new to genealogy, but my dad has been working on it for 30 years. I am VERY CONFUSED about the different JOHN LOTTS. I was wondering if you ever get some free time if you could look over what I have scribbled down, and see if it is correct. Thanking you in advance.

My 7th generation:

Catherine Katie LOTT married to Solomon HERRIN

My 8th generation:

Nathan LOTT JR. married to Dicey WATTS

My 9th generation:

Nathan LOTT SR married to ??

My 10th generation:

John LOTT SR. married to Elizabeth (Bethany) JOYNER

My 11th generation:

John LOTT (born C1700)

thanks, DeeDee

Date: 8/23/99

To: DEE3DEE3D

CC: Lott Circle

In a message dated 8/22/99 5:58:30 PM Central Daylight Time, DEE3DEE3D writes:

<< I was wondering if you ever get some free time if you could look over what I have scribbled down, and see if it is correct. >>

Dee Dee, nothing about Lott genealogy will ever be "correct." The incessant use of repeated names by each couple and the lack of probate records makes this a task of guesswork and conclusions which can change at any time. As you will see, we all constantly talk about "assigning" children to families. Almost everybody has their own opinion about who belongs to whom. Mine no better than anyone else.

If you will read my paper on the web page entitled "The Southern Colonial Lott Family" you will see my thinking on the line. I still stand by this, but am open to suggestions. The line you proposed is what most people use.

John Barron

Date: 8/23/99 10:44:44 AM Central Daylight Time

From: vherrin@medicine.umsmed.edu (Vince Herrin)

To: JBarron933@aol.com

Just a note about the "Big John Watts" info coming in. Angeline Watts did marry Jesse L. Herrin, son of Shepherd Herrin and Sarah "Sally" [Lott] Herrin (whose descendants I'm compiling), but she first married "her cousin" I was told. This first husband was a Watts, and at least one child was born to this marriage, John Watts (b. ca 1860). I was told he settled with his family in "Talisheek, LA"--unsure about that location. I'd like to know the first name of Angeline's first husband, if anyone knows. Angeline and Jesse Herrin settled near Nicholson, Hancock County, MS, and had about 15 children (the 1900 Census says Angeline was the mother of 16 children, only 5 of whom were living in 1900), most of whom died as children, probably of TB. As far as I know now, only ONE of their children had any descendants of his own.

Vince Herrin

Date: 8/24/99 4:51:58 AM Central Daylight Time

From: s.miklas@worldnet.att.net (Susan Miklas)

To: JBarron933@aol.com (John Barron)

CC: vherrin@medicine.umsmed.edu (Vince Herrin)

I would like to have the name of the "hearsay" source that Angeline Watts m 1/cousin. That she m Jesse Herrin isn't in question since that came from "primary " evidence.

Do you want me to send the "Final Settlement" regular size? It is 7"x7 3/4"? I wish we had pictures of some of these people.

Sue M.

Date: 8/24/99 4:49:32 PM Central Daylight Time

From: vherrin@medicine.umsmed.edu (Vince Herrin)

To: JBarron933@aol.com

John, I'm attaching a little paper I typed up yesterday concerning the children and grandchildren of Shepherd Herrin, Sr., and Sarah "Sally" Lott. Thought someone in the circle might find it useful. I have traced most of these lines at least partially down to the present (~130 pages in WordPerfect, at present). Will be glad to answer any questions. Welcome comments. If you can't open the attachment, please let me know.

Vince Herrin

Date: 8/24/99 6:04:48 PM Central Daylight Time

From: jenorris@netdoor.com (John E. Norris)

To: jbarron933@aol.com

Mr. Barron-------

Can you tell me who this person is............#41 i Abraham Lott b. ca. 1812 Ga. md. Nancy Hope.

Sincerely John E. Norris

Date: 8/24/99 9:43:23 PM Central Daylight Time

From: s.miklas@worldnet.att.net (Susan Miklas)

To: vherrin@medicine.umsmed.edu (Vince Herrin)

CC: JBarron933@aol.com (John Barron)

Vince

Nice "paper". I have Corel 8 WP. I didn't know I could attach files. I have the long, involved affidavit(sp) by Eugene Blackburn. How did you prove relationships in the first 3 paragraphs? Doesn't match exactly with Blackburn. Robert Lott m Sarah Tyner and they had only 3 girls. Dorinda was one. According to Blackburn she m twice. Second was to Shephard Herring. This is the Robert Lott who was murdered by the Copeland gang. There are a lot of other people's notes on it. I'm not having much luck scanning docs.

I admire your persistence in finding your Sarah Lott. I know the feeling. It is good.

Sue M.

Date: 8/25/99 10:55:03 AM Central Daylight Time

From: vherrin@medicine.umsmed.edu (Vince Herrin)

To: JBarron933@aol.com

Who was the father of the first John in Texas? I ask because the bondsman on the 1820 marriage certificate of my elusive Sarah Lott Herrin was Arthur Lott (which Arthur is a GOOD question, but could have been Arthur bro. of John). That would mean my Sarah might be his sister.

Vince

Date: 8/25/99 2:11:52 PM Central Daylight Time

From: stoii@juno.com

To: JBarron933@aol.com

Friend Barron, I did not send this to you along with the other records, so we should enter this to the group , In these old Indian Trust Funds Two Funds was left for Lillian L. Lott or her family. these trust funds are large and have been there for years, and there is a large Law Suit pending at this time for the recovery of these funds for Three Billion Dollars. so is her family part of the group?

Joe

Date: 8/25/99 6:06:26 PM Central Daylight Time

From: s.miklas@worldnet.att.net (Susan Miklas)

To: JBarron933@aol.com (John Barron)

John

Does Robert Lott (murdered by Copelin Gang) m Sarah Tyner, parents of Dorinda and 2 others, fit into the John or John family of Wash. Co AL? Did I send you the "Blackburn Affidavit" about him? Do you want it?

Sue

Date: 8/25/99 8:29:20 PM Central Daylight Time

From: jenorris@netdoor.com (John E. Norris)

To: jbarron933@aol.com

Mr. Barron.

Abraham Lott md. Zilphia Wiggins dau. Lousia Lott md. Charles Norris my great grandparents. Arthur Lotts and Abraham are supposed to be brothers, and Arthur would have named a son after his brother--the Lott and Watts families were true to family names.

The 2 birthdates for Absalom have always been a problem for me. 1747 and 1769. have wondered if this is actually 2 different people????

Have found that previous researchers have mingled the Lott line mostly due to the habit of the Lotts of family names. There are so many Arthur,s-Absalom,s-Thomas,s- that using spouses helps keeping them in order.

Sincerely John E. Norris

Date: 8/24/99

To: jenorris@netdoor.com

In a message dated 8/24/99 6:04:48 PM Central Daylight Time, jenorris@netdoor.com writes:

<< Can you tell me who this person is............

#41 i Abraham Lott b. ca. 1812 Ga. md. Nancy Hope. >>

John, on my web page you will find a paper that I wrote concerning this man entitled "Was Arthur Lott the father of Abram Absalom." You can access my web page by clicking on the following: John Barron's Home Page .

As you will see, I present evidence and draw the conclusion that Abraham (or Abram) is the son of my ggg-grandfather Arthur Lott who settled in Smith Co., TX by an early marriage in Georgia. I don't know the mother's name.

Abraham Lott is also shown in the Descendants of John Lott which is also on the web page. That is where the # 41 comes from. What is your interest in this man? I would be most interested in finding his whereabouts after about 1855.

John Barron

Date: 8/25/99

To: Lott Circle

As far as I can determine, the first Lotts who immigrated to what is now Texas were John and his brothers Arthur, Robert A., and Jesse. Some think brother Luke also came for a short time and Jesse apparently did not stay long. These brothers are surely the ones named in the deed of gift from their father in 1807 in Washington Co., Miss. Terr. They all left Marion Co., Miss., in the 1820s for Florida before coming to the Mexican state of Texas in the mid-1830s.

John Lott kept a hotel at the rebel capitol of Washington-on-the-Brazos and aided in the Texas Revolution by furnishing arms and shelter to the "Texicans" who were seeking independence from Mexico. He put David Crockett and his party up for a night while they were on their way to defend the Alamo. The ten or so years after the war, brought a period of unsettled peace punctuated by an occasional Mexican raid and periodic trouble with the Indians. In 1842, Robert A. Lott served in Joseph P. Lynch's company which raided Mexican towns along the Rio Grande in retaliation.

After Texas was admitted into the union in 1845, a short-lived, but rather fierce unpleasantness known as the Mexican War occurred. At least two of John Lott's sons, Jack Sharp and Jesse, took part in this war. Brother Robert Lott may have and brother Arthur disappeared from the records about this time and may have been a casualty. One of the heros of the Mexican War was Henry McCullough brother of famed Texas Ranger, Ben McCullough.

In 1850, Henry McCullough, who had settled in Seguin, Guadalupe Co., Texas, was called upon to raise a company of rangers to quell an Indian uprising west of San Antonio. One of the soldiers in this unit was twenty-one year old Samuel L. Lott who had enlisted at Austin. My purpose in this essay is to try to identify this young man.

Sarah Ann Lott, daughter of the above John, was married to her second husband, surveyer Hartwell C. Fountain, by 1850 and they were also living in Seguin. On Capt. McCullough's muster roll of 5 May 1851, it was noted that while on furlough Samuel L. Lott died near Seguin on 8 March 1851 from sickness. In June of 1851, Fountain was appointed administrator of Lott's estate by county officials after it had been determined that he had died intestate.

The probate of the estate drug on and in January, 1857, Fountain, who had moved to Atascosa Co. by then, was summoned to complete an inventory of estate. No more probate entries were found and no heirs or relationships were given in the few that were recorded. No other Lotts were found in Guadalupe Co. over this time period except a Jesse who was shown in 1853 and taxed for owning 15 horses and 640 acres of land on the Trinity River in Freestone Co.. I believe this Jesse was the son of the above John and brother-in-law of Hartwell Fountain. Jesse also settled in Atascosa Co. shortly after this time.

This meager collection of evidence is all that I have found on Samuel L. Lott. John Lott's known or suspected children were born between 1821 and 1827 in Mississippi and Florida. Samuel's date of birth, 1829, would not exclude him from this list, of course. John's brother Arthur's oldest known child was born in 1833 after he married Harriet Wheddon in 1831 in Marion Co., Miss. He may have been married previously to Sarah Sones, but no children have been identified from this union. Arthur, therefore, seems less likely to be Samuel's father and brother Robert's children are well known. From this evidence I, therefore, conclude that John Lott is the most likely father of Samuel L. Lott, although I will continue to seek additional information and opinions.

John Barron

Date: 8/25/99

To: vherrin@medicine.umsmed.edu

File: C:\DATA\TMGW\REPORTS\GENREG.WPD (55539 bytes)

DL Time (32000 bps): < 1 minute

In a message dated 8/25/99 10:55:03 AM Central Daylight Time, vherrin@medicine.umsmed.edu writes:

<< Who was the father of the first John in Texas? I ask because the bondsman on the 1820 marriage certificate of my elusive Sarah Lott Herrin was Arthur Lott (which Arthur is a GOOD question, but could have been Arthur bro. of John). >>

The father was another John and indeed there was a Sarah in the list. Are you familiar with the deed of gift from 1807 in Washington Co. from John to his children? I need to post this document on the web page I guess along with it's companion document of probate activity in 1808 (from another John with a similar set of children).

The attached WP document is what I have on this group. Let me know what you think about this Sarah being yours.

John

Date: 8/25/99

To: s.miklas@worldnet.att.net

In a message dated 8/25/99 6:06:26 PM Central Daylight Time, s.miklas@worldnet.att.net writes:

<< Does Robert Lott (murdered by Copelin Gang) m Sarah Tyner, parents of Dorinda and 2 others, fit into the John or John family of Wash. Co AL? Did I send you the "Blackburn Affidavit" about him? Do you want it?

>>

I feel sure he is the adult Robert, brother of the John that made the deed of gift and son of the John that died. By the way there is a book on the Copeland Gang at the Texas State Library that says that contrary to some reports, Copeland was not hanged for Lott's murder. You did send me that document a while back. Of course, finding it is the problem. You wouldn't believe the stacks of stuff I have gathered in the last few years.

John

Date: 8/26/99 6:13:26 PM Central Daylight Time

From: ttellem@netins.net ( ttellem)

To: JBarron933@aol.com

John, Could you please give me the dates on the widow with John ,Arthur,& Robert Lett, I find an Arthur ,grown,in 1704.Really need his Dads name,

Thanks, Mel Lett

----- Original Message -----

From: <JBarron933@aol.com>

To: <ttellem@netins.net>

Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 9:08 PM

Subject: Re: LOTT-Lett

> In a message dated 6/7/99 2:45:20 PM Central Daylight Time,

> ttellem@netins.net writes:

>

> << Were the Lotts on the Dorsett out of England?The names of John Lotts Boys

> match a family of ours perfectly. >>

>

> Thanks, Mel. I have had some problem with the Lott/Lett name mixup. A

> Reuben Lett was in St. George's Par., GA, when my Lotts were also there.

> Never been sure about him.

>

> I don't know when the first Lotts came to VA, but it was before 1654. A

> widow Lett also had several sons with the "right" names in VA, e.g. John,

> Arthur, Robert, etc. I'd like to hear more about name match that you refer

> to.

>

> John Barron

Date: 8/26/99

To: ttellem@netins.net

In a message dated 8/26/99 6:13:26 PM Central Daylight Time, ttellem@netins.net writes:

<< Could you please give me the dates on the widow with John ,Arthur,& Robert Lett, I find an Arthur, grown, in 1704. Really need his Dads name, >>

Mel, I've searched for the particular record that I mentioned to you without success. I do have several references which were sent to me without sources included as follows:

Mary Lott (Lett) bought land in Isle of Wight Co., VA, 7 Jun 1666.

Mary Lott (Lett) bought land in Lower Norfolk Co., VA, 20 Nov 1683

Mary Lott (Lett) bought land in New Kent Co., VA, 29 Oct 1696

I also found an Arthur Lott (Lett) in King & Queen Co., VA, 1722 - see Amundson, The Virginia Genealogist, vol. 41, page 10.

I'd be most interested in what you put together on Arthur.

John

Date: 8/26/99 9:15:35 AM Central Daylight Time

From: stoii@juno.com

To: JBarron933@aol.com

Friend John, well if nothing else the parts written about who married who and they kids on the lotts and watts should help, you will see one of the lotts mother was a smith, nancy I think at one time I had all the Indian smiths in a group picture, but now I only have a shot of Red Bird Smith and his Sons. Elbert Watts family info I found to be very helpful to many that has ask, and have talked to a few old ones from this line who remember many of these people and was very happy to get a copy even if it is hard to read.

on the trust funds I was looking into this more when my computer went nuts, the figure of three Billion is just to start the law action, this is the amount that can be proven to have been stole by BIA before 1976 it involves land rents, mineral rites, oil money, timber sales and so on the Gov. has Ammitted these trust has been there for years and was taken by there Emps. what is left on the law action is a amount. I hope we can find who Lillian Lott was and her dec. recieve theyre money she would just about have to be related to one of the Creek Lotts I would think.

Well maybe the group can find in there records this lady.

Joe

Date: 8/26/99 3:27:59 PM Central Daylight Time

From: rlott@insolwwb.net (Rick Lott)

To: JBarron933@aol.com (John Barron)

John, you've probably seen this, but just in case: the first census of the U.S., 1785, Albemarle VA (http://c-23.rootsweb.com/usgenweb/archives/va/albemarle/census/1785cens.txt) lists a John Lott as head of a household containing "3 white souls." Do you think this guy's a relation? If so, how does he fit in? Was he one of those who stayed behind in VA when the family moved south to the Carolinas?

Date: 8/30/99 11:13:36 PM Central Daylight Time

From: DEE3DEE3D

To: JBarron933

Hello John-

I am so excited. I just found out that my ggrandfather Albert DOSSETT had a sister named Katie DOSSETT who married a Berk (?) LOTT, thus Katie DOSSETT LOTT. Albert DOSSETT'S wife Annie BURCH'S ggrandmother was also a Katie LOTT who married Solomon HERRIN. So I guess I am a double-LOTT descendant. I am looking for information on Berk LOTT. Does this name sound famaliar to you?

Guess what else? I just found out tonight that I have a ggAunt Sallie BURCH (Alice HERRIN'S daughter) that is in her 90's, still alive, and sharp as a tack.

This whole time I was looking for more information, and all I had to do was ask my family members. Thanks for everything.

DeeDee

Date: 9/2/99 9:33:47 PM Central Daylight Time

From: bravo76@flash.net (Phyllis Bryan)

To: jbarron933@aol.com ('jbarron933@aol.com')

Here is my Lott family research along with what I remember hearing from the family.

My father, Travis Francis Bryan was the 9th and last child born to Mary Daisy Lott and Thomas Chilton Bryan. I just received a delayed birth registry certificate for my father.

My grandmother was born in Nelsonville, Texas, December, 1868, the oldest child born to John W. Lott and Ann O. Lott (I haven't found any reference to what her maiden name is). From the 1900 Austin County Census record, she was born in Georgia in 1840, had six children (five living) and is a hotelkeeper. John W. Lott gives his birthplace as Mississippi November 1830. His mother's and father's birthplace is given as Mississippi.. Their length of marriage is 42 years. He is a Notary Public.

My earliest census record recording for John W. Lott and Ann.O. Lott is 1870 Austin County Page 91 with Daisy, age 1. I also have a reference to the purchase of 40 acres in the Settlement in the Forks of Mill Creek, Deed Record T/606 on 30 Oct 1872 by John W. Lott from R.G. Burns.

My question is which John W. Lott is he? From your Register Report, John W. Lott, 13Nov1830 MS is the son of (Nathan4 ,Arthur3, John2, John1) 1794 GA and Martha Fulgham 1817 MS. The place and date of birth match except Nathan's birthplace is. GA not MS?

You have a John W. Lott born 1830 Fl. Terr. as the son of Robert A. Lott and Susan C. Behn. Married Ann O. Jordan 19Oct 1857, Washington Co. Tx. (Mullins Marriage Records of Washington Co. TX). However, I found in the library at Washington-on-the Brazos State Park,, "Indian Wars and Pioneers of Texas" by John Henry Brown which gives a biographical sketch of Robert A. Lott that states he married Susan C. Behn January 17, 1828. They had eleven children, five living in 1895 viz: William R., Jesse B., James F., Laura L. (Mrs. John C. McKinney) and Phrandius, K.

My grandfather was still living in 1900, so if this account is true, he is not the John W.(son of Robert) except for the reference to the marriage to Ann O. The date of marriage 1857 to 1900 is 42 years. Therefore, I think that John W. Lott and Ann O. Jordan are my great-grandfather and great-grandmother married Oct 19, 1857.

Before her death in 1946/47 in Houston, my grandmother told me that her mother came to Texas on horseback from Georgia as a young girl and that her father (John Lott) was from Mississippi and had fought for the CSA. I have not found him on a roster as yet. Also my father said that his (gg?)-grandmother was Indian and had been adopted.

I have just begun my research and your papers have helped immensely though I am at a loss about where he belongs on the family tree. What do you think?

Regards,

Phyllis Bryan

Date: 9/3/99

To: bravo76@flash.net

CC: Lott Circle

Wow, Phyliss, if you're just a beginner, you are going to catch up quickly. Good work. I will add your e-mail address to our list of on-line Lott researchers and look forward to your input.

You have found a real problem. I have merged the two John W. Lotts into one. The location of the marriage, Washington Co. TX, would imply that it was Robert A.'s son and that's what I used. But the location of the census data, Austin Co., shows it to be the other John W., son of Nathan and Martha Fulgram Lott. Since the two counties are adjoining, it is not so strange that John W. from Austin Co. married a girl from Washington Co. Martha was in Marion Co., MS, in 1850 and John (shown as J.W. age 19) was one of the kids. She was in Austin Co. in 1860, but I couldn't find John W.

From re-reading the History of Grimes Co., I find that the John W. of Robert A. was called Wesley (obviously his middle name). It gives who he married, and though it slips my mind at present, it was not Ann Jordan. Your conclusion looks right on the money to me.

Don't be concerned about where John said his parents were born in his 1900 census. That sort of information should always be viewed with caution as it is hearsay. Plus you never really know who told the census taker what. All these Lott families were in Georgia in the 1790s.

There are a number of John W. and J. W.'s in Confederate units from Texas. Several of these listings were from Washington Co. units and I can't tell who might be yours and who might be the other John W.

John Barron, Austin, TX

Date: 9/4/99 9:56:46 PM Central Daylight Time

From: rlott@insolwwb.net (Rick Lott)

To: jbarron933@aol.com

John, I thought you might be interested in these Marion Co., MS cemetery records sent me by Alice Weber of Oregon. You'll be getting pages in several emails. Apparently the grave of my gg-grandfather Solomon (son of Arthur) Lott has been vandalized and all the markers destroyed. Cheers, Rick

-----Original Message-----

From: Alice Weber <aweber@proaxis.com>

To: Rick Lott <rlott@insolwwb.net>

Date: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 11:51 AM

Subject: Re:

At 04:07 PM 08/19/1999 -0400, you wrote:

Would you please check your Marion Co. cemetery books for any information pertaining to my great-grandfather Thomas Watkins (or W.) Lott, b. 1844(?) d. 1927. Much thanks. Rick Lott, Jonesboro, AR

Date: 9/5/99

To: rlott@insolwwb.net

In a message dated 9/5/99 12:17:06 AM Central Daylight Time, rlott@insolwwb.net writes:

<< John, have you seen this? Know who Robert Lott was? William was, of course, our ancestor Arthur (KBI) Lott; the first newspaper notice got his name wrong. >>

Don't know who the Robert was. In my records somewhere I have something about a Lott being served a subpoena (1790s, I think) and being tried. Couldn't find the reference, but will keep looking.

The William Lott above was our Arthur's brother who was part of the group that went to Miss Terr in 1812.

John

Date: 9/5/99

To: Lott Circle

Can anyone shed some light on this couple. Dan Lott lists him as a son of Luke born about 1805. I believe that he was about 10 years older than this, however, if he was the John in Sumpter Co., AL, in 1840. He seems to have died about 1850 and I've not been able to find the family on the census for that year. Thirza and the kids are in Goliad Co., TX, by 1860 living very close to the family of Thomas P. C. Lott. I'm currently abstracting the Civil War pension applications of his sons and their widows and hope to assemble this data soon. Any ideas or comments?

Descendants of John Lott

Generation One

1. John Lott;(Daniel F. Lott, The Web of Kinship (Descendants of John L. Lott) (Alabama:

Unpublished Manuscript, 1997), p 7, listed him as son of Luke. Hereinafter cited as Web of

Kinship.); born circa 1805; married Thirza Easterling 1 Aug 1825 Marion Co., MS (Marriage

Records, CD ROM 5, Marriage Records Arkansas, Mississippi, Missouri, and Texas, CD-ROM (Fremont, CA: Automated Archives, Inc., 1994).).

He appeared on the census in 1840 Sumpter Co., AL ((p 84), John Lott, household

1100001-103001, 11 slaves).

Thirza Easterling was born between 1805 and 1809 SC (From census data). She appeared

on the census in 1860 Goliad Co., TX ((p 49), T. Lott, age 51 b SC). She appeared on the

census in 1870 Refugio Co., TX ((p 135), Thirza Lot, age 65, born Alabama [shown as head

of family and an apparant widow]). She appeared on the census in 1880 Atascosa Co., TX

((prect. 3, ed 5, p 11), Therza Lott, age 71, born South Carolina. In household of son;

widow; father/mother born SC; cannot read and write).

Children of John Lott and Thirza Easterling all born AL were as follows:

i.Arthur; born between 1834 and 1835 (From census data).

He appeared on the census in 1860 Goliad Co., TX ((p 49), Arthur Lott,

age 25 b Ala). He appeared on the census in 1870 Refugio Co., TX ((p 135),

Arthur Lot, age 35, born Alabama, carpenter [in apparant mother's

household]). He appeared on the census in 1880 Atascosa Co., TX ((prect. 3,

ed 5, p 11), Arthur Lott, age 46, born Alabama, farmer. Head of household;

single; father/mother born GA & SC; cannot read and write).

ii.John; born between 1837 and 1839 (From census data).

He appeared on the census in 1860 Goliad Co., TX ((p 49), John Lott,

age 21 b Ala). He appeared on the census in 1870 Refugio Co., TX ((p 135),

John Lot, age 33, born Alabama, farmer [listed next to apparant mother's

household]).

iii.James William; born between 1839 and 1844 (From census data).

He appeared on the census in 1860 Goliad Co., TX ((p 49), Wm Lott, age

16 b Ala). He appeared on the census in 1880 Atascosa Co., TX ((prect. 3,

ed 5, p 11), James W. Lott, age 41, born Alabama, farmer laborer. In

household of brother, Arthur Lott; single; father/mother born GA & SC).

2. iv.Emily, born circa 1842; married (--?--) Kemp.

v.Robert; born between 1843 and 1846 (From census data).

He appeared on the census in 1860 Goliad Co., TX ((p 49), Robert Lott,

age 14 b Ala). He appeared on the census in 1870 Refugio Co., TX ((p 135),

Robert Lot, age 27, born Alabama, sadler [in apparant mother's household]).

vi.Virginia C; born between 1850 and 1851 (From Census data); married

Frank Upton before 1880.

She appeared on the census in 1860 Goliad Co., TX ((p 49), Virginia D.

Lott, age 10 b Ala). She appeared on the census in 1880 Atascosa Co., AL

((prect. 3, ed 5, p 11), Virginia C. Upton, age 29, born Alabama. Listed

with husband next to household of apparant brother; married; father/mother

born GA & SC).

Generation Two

2. Emily Lott; born circa 1842 AL (From census data); married (--?--) Kemp before 1867

(Probably in Texas).

She appeared on the census in 1860 Goliad Co., TX ((p 49), Emily Lott, age 18 b

Ala). She appeared on the census in 1880 Atascosa Co., TX ((prect. 3, ed 5, p 11), Emma

Kemp, age 38, born Alabama. In household of brother; widow; father/mother born GA & SC;

cannot read and write).

Children of Emily Lott and (--?--) Kemp were:

i.Mary Virginia; born circa 1867 TX (From census data).

She appeared on the census in 1880 Atascosa Co., TX ((prect. 3, ed 5,

p 11), Mary Virginia Kemp, age 13, born Texas. In household of uncle;

father/mother born TX & AL).

Date: 9/5/99

To: dlaffert@netdoor.com

Diane, I read with interest your chart on Covington Co. forum concerning John Lott "Jr". I must say it is quite different from any that I have seen before. How did you come to some of these conclusions? You seem to reference Joe Lott as a source, but if you are referring to the same Joe that I know then I'm at a loss to understand.

I'm certainly willing to listen to different viewpoints and seek them out. For instance you say that Sally Lott, wife of John, married John Warren 2nd in 1816. How do you come to that conclusion? And the same question about the Arthur (Killed by the Indians). I believe he was this John's brother born in 1750 and a member of the Geo. Assembly.

Most interested in your research findings.

John Barron, Austin, TX

Date: 9/6/99

To: rlott@insolwwb.net

In a message dated 9/6/99 3:23:48 PM Central Daylight Time, rlott@insolwwb.net writes:

<< John, I believe this is your John and Thirza Lott on the 1850 census in Choctaw Co., AL. >>

By golly, you're right Rick. Thanks. This answers a couple more questions. I expect the Thomas was actually 23 years old and I'll check him out when I go to the library tomorrow.

John

Date: 9/6/99 10:36:22 AM Central Daylight Time

From: dlaffert@netdoor.com (Diane Lafferty)

To: JBarron933@aol.com

Hi John

This is Joe Lott's address. Hash it out with him. joe@lottfamily.com I will look it up in my folders in the mean time. But he sent me most of my info and the rest I got from a Luke Lampton book on the Cullen Lott family. I have 2 references I copied in the folder about the Indian killing a Lott. Will pull them. I am slow.

Diane

Date: 9/6/99

To: joe@lottfamily.com

Joe, have you seen the Lott descendant chart on the Covington Co., MS, site query section that was posted by Diane Lafferty. It is quite unique to say the least and she gives you as the source. Is this correct? Do you think that the Sarah Lott who married John Warren in 1816 was the widow of John b. 1742? She also has the Arthur (killed by the Indians) as a son of this couple, plus other children that don't seem to me to be right.

John

Date: 9/6/99 3:23:48 PM Central Daylight Time

From: rlott@insolwwb.net (Rick Lott)

To: jbarron933@aol.com

John, I believe this is your John and Thirza Lott on the 1850 census in Choctaw Co., AL. The name appears to be misspelled "Loot" and "Thurza." Also, a Thomas Lott, age 13, seems to have set up a household. Seems early but I guess kids matured earlier in those hard old days. Or maybe the old man kicked him out.

Rick

Date: 9/8/99

To: dflott@telepak.net

CC: Lott Circle

Dan, thanks to Rick Lott's detective work we can find this couple on the 1850 census of Choctaw Co., AL under the guise of John Loot. He was age 60 (born c1790 GA) which is some 10 years before Luke Lott and Cynthia were supposedly married. What was your source for showing this John as their son?

John and Thirza were married in Marion Co. in 1825 and several of their children were born in MS. They must have gone to AL after the Choctaw scission about 1832. They were associated with Thomas P. C. Lott in Sumpter/Choctaw Cos., AL, and later in Goliad Co., TX. There was also and Absalom in AL with them. John and Thirza have the seemingly obligatory sons named Arthur, John, Robert, ect.

Any ideas?

John

Date: 9/8/99 12:25:56 PM Central Daylight Time

From: PetiboneL

To: JBarron933

John,

Don't know if I can post these from a CD or not but thought you could dole them out if needed by anyone.

Judy

Marriage Index: AL, GA, SC, 1641-1944

Barbour Co., Alabama

Lott, Henry Spouse : Bounds, Lucinda

Marriage date : Jan 29, 1861

Lott, Mary E Spouse : Benton, J T

Marriage date : Dec 5, 1869

Calhoun Co. Alabama

Lott, Eliza Spouse : Anderson, Wm

Marriage date : Dec 28, 1843

Lott, Jno Spouse : Arnold, Nancy

Marriage date : Oct 19, 1840

Lott, Mark Spouse : Burges, Parthena F

Marriage date : Dec 2, 1841

Lott, Mark Spouse : Clark, Elizabeth

Marriage date : Jan 18, 1863

Cullman Co., Alabama

Lott, George Richard Spouse : Allred, Lanny Jane

Marriage date : Feb 2, 1884

Lott, Jesse G Spouse : Lester, Ellen

Marriage date : Jan 14, 1894

Lott, Martha A Spouse : Bates, James T

Marriage date : Feb 19, 1880

Lott, Mary Rebecca Spouse : Harbison, C H

Marriage date : Oct 16, 1881

Lott, William B Spouse : Givins, Sobrina

Marriage date : Jan 19, 1879

Green Co., Alabama

Lott, James V Spouse : Carpenter, Priscilla S Miss

Marriage date : Jan 14, 1851

Lott, William B Spouse : Hill, Eliza G Miss

Marriage date : Sep 9, 1843

Henry Co., Alabama

Lott, John Spouse : Hodge, Nancy

Marriage date : May 17, 1853

Limestone Co., Alabama

Lott, Anne Spouse : Edwards, Isaac

Marriage date : Oct 23, 1828

Lott, Jiney Spouse : Dunaway, Edward

Marriage date : Aug 2, 1831

Lott, Rachel Spouse : Dunaway, Edward

Marriage date : Sep 29, 1832

Lott, William Spouse : Austin, Nancy Ann

Marriage date : Jun 23, 1844

Mobile Co., Alabama

Lott, Vice Spouse : Lankforth, Daniel

Marriage date : Apr 4, 1825

Lott, William Spouse : Collins, Mary D

Marriage date : Dec 6, 1852

Hancock Co., Alabama

Lott, Ann N Spouse : Ellis, Green B

Marriage date : Dec 18, 1828

Jackson Co., Alabama

Lott, Grover W Spouse : Franklin, Malinday

Marriage date : Sep 5, 1844

Lott, Polly Spouse : Horton, Jesse

Marriage date : Oct 28, 1821

Lott, Thomas Spouse : Hall, Polly

Marriage date : Sep 14, 1828

Jefferson Co., Alabama

Lott, Martha Spouse : Beaty, Henry

Marriage date : Nov 24, 1831

Jones Co., Alabama

Lott, Sanders Spouse : Garland, Elizabeth

Marriage date : Jan 5, 1826

Lincoln Co., GA

Lott, Eliza Spouse : ????, Allen

Marriage date : 1818

Lott, Ellis Spouse : Carpenter, Abigail

Marriage date : Apr 24, 1817

Lott, Mark Spouse : Dennis, Polly

Marriage date : Mar 25, 1823

Montgomery Co., GA

Lott, Penelope Spouse : Davis, Stafford

Marriage date : Oct 10, 1814

Richmond Co., GA

Lott, John M Spouse : Liverman, Sarah A

Marriage date : Jun 23, 1825

Lott, Sarah Ann Spouse : Lockhart, John

Marriage date : Sep 10, 1840

Stewart Co., GA

Lott, Thomas Spouse : Irwin, Martha

Marriage date : Aug 12, 1852

Telfair Co., GA

Lott, Daniel Spouse : Gaskins, Fanny

Marriage date : Oct 26, 1848

Lott, Fanny Spouse : Gaskins, John

Marriage date : Jul 24, 1832

Upson Co., GA

Lott, Martha Spouse : Guye, James

Marriage date : Jan 12, 1837

Unknown Co., Alabama and other states

Lott, Marina Spouse : Dean, Simeon

Marriage date : Jan 19, 1830

Lott, Mark Spouse : Brock, Sarah

Marriage date : Dec 16, 1823

Lott, Mark Spouse : Bunch, Sarah

Marriage date : Dec 16, 1823

Edgefield marriage records/ Pottersfield Museum

Lott, Arthur Spouse : Bush, Sarah

Marriage date : Dec 23, 1841

Lott, Arthur J Spouse : Bedenbaugh, Amanda C

Marriage date : Dec 23, 1869

Lott, Eliza Spouse : Elsmore, Spencer

Marriage date : Dec 1, 1831

Lott, Emeline Spouse : Corley, Lemuel

Marriage date : Dec 23, 1841

Lott, Lucinda Spouse : Crouch, Jesse

Marriage date : Jan 22, 1854

Lott, Luke B Spouse : Cullum, Martha L

Marriage date : Sep 15, 1840

Lott, Samuel Spouse : Bartley, Mahala

Marriage date : Nov 1, 1855

Lott, William Spouse : Barrenton, Missouri A

Marriage date : Dec 15, 1853

GA Geneological Magazine #2

Lott, Leonidas Spouse : Fletcher, Nancy

North and South Carolina Marriage Records

Lott, Eliza Spouse : Elmore, Spencer

Marriage date : Dec 1, 1836

Date: 9/9/99 7:25:50 AM Central Daylight Time

From: jenorris@netdoor.com (John E. Norris)

To: jbarron933@aol.com

I received a memoranda on Arthur Lott from Joe Davis, and wondered if you could read, my copy is hard to make out in places. What I am trying to figure out is how did it have Arthur's wife's name spelled, and also, can you make out the spelling of the two rivers, if that is what they are. I have several ways her name is spelled. on the memoranda it looks like DESHUITO OR DESKUITO. Also, do you have any knowledge of Charles Lott b. 1769 Ga.

Mr. Griley, a Lott researcher for about 50 yrs looked at your material that is online, and has filled in a few places, if you wish to contact him I will send his mailing address, he is not online.

John E. Norris

Date: 9/9/99

To: jenorris@netdoor.com

John, I have a copy of it too and the following is what I make out for the first paragraph.

Arthur Lott whom married the full blood Cherokee woman named Deshulz in Georgia near the Oakinedgia? and Cindnugia? River (Perhaps the Ogeechee and the Canoochee, Lott's Creek runs into the latter and the two rivers meet near Savannah). They had three children named as follows

Since the Indians did not have a written language, spelling a name had to be done phonetically (like it sounded); therefore, there was no right or wrong spelling. In the Lott and Watts affidavits from Mason and Smith Co., Tx that I have copies of, it is clearly written as Deshulz. However, these affidavits were sworn out 60 or 70 years after the fact by persons who did not have first hand knowledge of these people as they were hardly born when the events took place. By any standard it is hearsay evidence and this is why I put little faith in them.

John Barron

Date: 9/9/99 10:05:59 AM Central Daylight Time

From: rlott@insolwwb.net (Rick Lott)

To: JBarron933@aol.com (John Barron)

John, I've found a Lott among the Creeks who were removed from Georgia to OK in 1929. At http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/data/ga+index+122125258135+5 there are 12 pages of letters sent by Creeks to the government. The last and next to last, dated March 7, 1829 and March 23, 1829, contain the name of Benjamin Lott. The March 7th letter is a complaint against Col. Brearly, an apparently corrupt and drunken U.S. Agent. Ben'j Lott signed this as a witness. The letter of the 23rd is from the sub-agent Thomas Anthony to Col. Brearly explaining that those Creeks who signed as witnesses, among them Mr. Lott, had argued against the complaint in council and refused to sign it.

So we have a Lott who was at least part Indian, who moved with the Creeks to Indian Territory, and who was mature enough to sit in council (making him born probably no later than the 1790s). It seems likely that his father was a Lott, but a white man, or a mixed-blood? Which of our Georgia ancestors sowed that seed? And will we ever know?

Rick

Date: 9/10/99

To: dlaffert@netdoor.com

In a message dated 9/10/99 8:14:57 AM Central Daylight Time, dlaffert@netdoor.com writes:

<< The note was to you telling you that Joe probably has not said anything about the Indian connections in the Lott family because it has not been proved. I think I have a note in my files about one person trying to prove a Indian connection. >>

Hi Diane. I don't put any stock in any of the Indian claims for the Marion/Covington Co. Lotts as you can see from the messages that are archived on my web site. It's all hearsay and legend evidence that I've seen. People swearing to things that happened before they were born is not acceptable to me. That's not to say that there weren't people enrolled as Indians named Lott, but their relationship to the Lott family that I study has be shown.

John

Date: 9/10/99

To: rlott@insolwwb.net

CC: Lott Circle

Thanks, Rick. I have a copy of this document, but need to look back at it. It seemed to me that this Benjamin Lott was a trader or white man living with the Indians, but I'm not sure. I don't have any idea who he was and have no Benjamin's in any of my records. Also this is 20 years or so after most of the Lotts moved west. What's your take on him?

John

Date: 9/10/99

To: jenorris@netdoor.com

In a message dated 9/9/99 8:18:01 PM Central Daylight Time, jenorris@netdoor.com writes:

<< Also, do you have any knowledge of Charles Lott b. 1769 Ga. Mr. Griley, a Lott researcher for about 50 yrs looked at your material that is online, and has filled in a few places, if you wish to contact him I will send his mailing address >>

John, I don't have any Charles Lotts in any of my records, but do seem to remember seeing mention an a man by this name among "squatters with no land claim" listed c1812 in Miss. Territory. I'll look for the reference.

I would certainly appreciate any help with trying to place the Lotts, but I'm really not interested in resorting to the mail anymore (I never was very good at it anyway). If you could contact Mr. Griley and relay his thoughts to me, I would be pleased to include them in my updates and messages.

I would also like to apologize if I have included any materials on my web site without giving proper credit. This is something that I am very picky about, but some people send me information without telling me where it came from or where they got it.

John

Date: 9/11/99 9:08:15 AM Central Daylight Time

From: JLott1224

To: JBarron933

Thanks John. I have contacted another descendant of one of the Mississippi Lott's and will pass that address along. I also have copies of a book on the Joyners of Isle of Wight of Virginia. But at the present we're getting ready to go on a cruise, but when I get back home I'll send you all the information on this. Included in this is the information of the marriage of John Lott and Elizabeth Joyner, Daughter of John Joyner and Great Granddaughter of Thomas who came to Virginia in 1739 as a lad of 16 years.

Jim

Date: 9/11/99 7:36:54 PM Central Daylight Time

From: RHelmick3

To: JBarron933

CC: JLott1224, DHelm55

I am most impressed with your research on the Lott Family. My great grandfather was Simuel Wiley Lott of Covington County, Mississippi I have done a considerable amount of family history research on the Helmick family from Virginia and West Virginia. This information will greatly help in completing the family tree.

Your address was given to me by Jim Lott (JLott1224) of Lakeland, Florida.

I appreciate your extensive research into the Lott family history. Attached is a JPEG format picture of the Simuel Wiley Lott Family from about the 1880's.

Robert W. Helmick III

Date: 9/12/99

To: jenorris@netdoor.com

In a message dated 9/11/99 8:01:30 PM Central Daylight Time, jenorris@netdoor.com writes:

<< Still wondering about the memoranda, who wrote it, what year, was it an attachment to some other document? Seems I have a lot more questions than answers. >>

Right, doesn't that seem to be the way it always goes. I don't know who wrote the memo or when, but it had to be in association with the Indian enrollment for free land in Indian Territory (later Oklahoma) begun by the Dawes Commission around the turn of the century. I suspect it came from someone in support of Nathan Lott's children's claims. I don't believe a word of it. The only Arthur old enough to father these children was the richest of them all who was a county official and later member of the Georgia Legislature. Interracial "marriages" were not exactly embraced by southerners (then or now for that matter). He was also long dead before any of the witnesses who swore out any of the affidavits about him were born. So they had no first hand information about him.

You may be right about the Charles Lott/Lotte. I've always thought the "Indian question" had to do with a family scandal. I think one of the Lotts ran off and began to live with the Indians. Naturally, he wouldn't have made any written records such as deeds during this time, but you can be sure that the family knew about him. I do indeed want to know about the Indian connection if there is one. Let me know if there is anything I can do.

John

Date: 9/12/99 1:25:41 PM Central Daylight Time

From: jenorris@netdoor.com (John E. Norris)

To: jbarron933@aol.com

Charles was listed on a form of return in 1833 as an indian living on the Chickasawhay river at Emocklasha town with 11 family members, 1 male over 16, 5 males and females under 10 years of age. Emocklasha translates to be --where the family is- or where my people gather.

Charles's wife was Darcy, after Charles died Darcy lived with her daughter Betsy, who had married 2nd husband Henry Cook, her 1st. husband was a Perkins, which I believe was the son of the Perkins that signed the treaty of dancing rabbit.

Charles had for a time lived in Jasper co., but when the gov. started rounding up the indians for removal he and family left home leaving every thing and fled to Hancock co. for the swamp.

Have you ever wondered about the dates for Absalom?? 1742 and 1769--- Charles was 1769 died about age 70 because his son made claims for his father in 1845. I am trying to figure out Charles indian name, I have narrowed it down to three. By the way, my grandmothers people were also listed on this form of a return.

Sincerely John E. Norris

Date: 9/12/99

To: jenorris@netdoor.com

In a message dated 9/12/99 1:25:41 PM Central Daylight Time, jenorris@netdoor.com writes:

<< Have you ever wondered about the dates for Absalom?? 1742 and 1769--- Charles was 1769 died about age 70 because his son made claims for his father in 1845. >>

John, I don't have any Absaloms in my file born on those dates. The oldest one who married Patsy Lightfoot? was a son of John2 and I estimate he was born c1758 due to the fact that he must have been a minor in his father's household in West Florida during the Rev. War and come of age about 1780 to sign an oath of allegiance to Spain.

What do you have on them?

John Barron

Date: 9/12/99 1:46:19 PM Central Daylight Time

From: rlott@insolwwb.net (Rick Lott)

To: jbarron933@aol.com

John,

here a few thoughts on Benjamin Lott. Probably he was a mixed-blood Creek with a father named Lott. There is ample precedent for such a conclusion. Many of the Creeks had white names because they had white fathers. Chief William McIntosh, for example, was the son of a Scotsman from Savannah, who had a white family in Savannah and an Indian family among the Creeks. He was apparently from a "good" family, as was Lachlan McGillivray, father of the famous Creek chief Alexander McGillivray. Both McIntosh and McGillivray, by the way, were quite affluent, even wealthy, by the standards of the day. McGillivray even owned a trading company in Pensacola.

Of course, it's possible that Benjamin Lott was a white man living among the Creeks. But would a white man be allowed to sit in the council? If he was white, he obviously had an Indian wife, or why would he move west with the Creeks who were removed to OK in 1829? So, it seems to me, the Indian Lotts in Oklahoma probably were related to the Lotts of Georgia, our bunch. Which Lott mingled with the Creeks is impossible to determine, at least presently.

Another possibility is that Benj' Lott was an Indian who simply took a white name. In his Reminiscences, General Thomas Woodward mentions a Creek named Capt. Sam Isaacs, who took the name of an old white trader who had lived among the Indians in Tenn. Finally, it is true that most of the Lotts had moved on to Miss. about 25 years before, but there were white Lotts left behind in Georgia; so how much more likely would any mixed-blood Lotts remain there, with their Indian families? During the probable time of Benjamin's birth (1770s-1790s), the Lotts were in GA. I think it quite likely that at least one of our Georgia forbears took an Creek Indian "wife," or had a liason with an Indian woman resulting in a child, or children. Thus the recurring family stories about Indian blood (including my grandfather's insistence that he was part Indian).

BTW, an interesting historical footnote: on one website dealing with Chief McIntosh there is a contemporary photo of his grave with a group of Sons of Confederate Veterans who had donated a new grave marker--one of whom is identifed as Charlie Lott :).

Regards, Rick

Date: 9/12/99

To: rlott@insolwwb.net

Well, there must be something to it for it to have been so widespread. Maybe we can find it one of these days. BTW my grandfather always said he was part Indian too. We assumed he meant on the Barron side, however, since nobody in the family remembered the Lott connection.

John

Date: 9/12/99 4:11:31 PM Central Daylight Time

From: ttellem@netins.net ( ttellem)

To: JBarron933@aol.com

CC: Sabromav@aol.com (sherri abromavage)

The Bachellor or Batchellor Voyages are listed at ship name on Ship List January, 1684/5 The Bachellor departed Bristol, England for Barbados

Source: "Bristol and America", page 176. (Use browser "Bookmark" or "Back" to return to this page.)

Ship and Passenger Information:

Passengers listed as departing Bristol, England, on the Bachellor, 1684/5:

Date listed: Residence: Destination:

(Not departure)

Webb, James January 3 Bristoll Barbados

Lott, Moses January 5 St. Georges Barbados

Hordley, Robertus January 15 Co. Hants Barbados

Philipp, William January 22 Llangavelly Barbados

Date: 9/13/99 2:33:34 PM Central Daylight Time

From: jenorris@netdoor.com (John E. Norris)

To: jbarron933@aol.com

John-

Same Absalom, you have dated him better than I. Forgot, Darcy was 95 in 1870 census when living with daughter Betsy and Henry Cook making her born 1775 Ga. Levi Perkins was the one who signed the treaty of dancing rabbit.

John Lott md. Sallie Lightfoot---was she related to Patsy Lightfoot?? I have Sallie as more likely being indian.

Dorcus Lightfoot 1680ca. was the daughter of GO-HA-GA hope my spelling is right form memory, his name translates into he walks light or lightwalker.

Sincerely John Norris

Date: 9/13/99

To: jenorris@netdoor.com

Well, I've never been satisfied that Lightfoot was either girl's name. If it was their name, then I'm sure they were related. I think it's just speculation. Belinda Barnett from the Lott Circle has done some exhaustive research into the Lightfoot family and has yet to really find a match for Patsy.

John

Date: 9/15/99

To: Lott Circle

In a message dated 9/15/99 5:58:53 PM Central Daylight Time, rlott@insolwwb.net writes:

<< John, in regard to Joe Davis' message about Tom Lott and the Reece woman, please see the following. Rick

>>

Cherokee Nation I.T. Query Forum

Elizabeth Lot Old Settlers

Posted by Sally Etebari on Mon, 21 Sep 1998

Surname: Lot, Watts

Sally, I think if you will double-check the information below you will see that you are trying to combine two different (totally unrelated) families into one. The dates and places of birth are over 75 years and a thousand miles off.

1) The two sisters; Nellie Reece/Lot was b/1855 and Elizabeth (Reece/Lot) Watts was b/1857- both in the Canadian Dist, Cherokee Nation, I.T. Their mother was shown on the Old Settler Cherokee (#103") as Nancy Reece (b/1837 in Indian Territory). According to both of their statements and the G/M Commission's rejection decision, their father was a Creek Indian named Tom Lot (no Cherokee blood).

2) On the other hand, the statement that you were combining with this to try to tie in the two families was made by a man filing for enrollment on the Dawes roll from TX in 1896- Elbert Watts. Elbert's statement contains the following information: he had been born in 1829 in Covington Co MS; he was the son of Absolom L. Watts (b/1811-GA); Absolom was the son of Thomas Watts (b/1771 SC) and Elizabeth Lott (b/1774-SC); Elizabeth Lott was said to be the daughter of Arthur Lott (born abt 1741/SC) and "a full-blood Cherokee woman- name unknown" (no proof).

In the first case, they were rejected because they did not have "an ancestor who was a party to the 1835 Treaty of New Echota", as required under the Court of Claims award. Their ancestors were in the west when that treaty was signed and were paid for their share under the Old Settler's payment of 1895.

In the second one: all persons filing in 1896 for Dawes enrollment under that information were rejected: there was no record of any person named "Lott" marrying a Cherokee Indian, nor ever being a member of the tribe-- east or west. But even had they been able to "prove it" (virtually impossible!), they could not have been eligible on the Dawes roll, because they had not "maintained a continuous residence and affiliation with the tribe in Indian Territory".

Hope this helps explain it.

Date: 9/15/99 10:52:34 PM Central Daylight Time

From: stoii@juno.com

To: JBarron933@aol.com

Friend Barron, Rick is right on many points but it would not mattered if the Lott could have proved Arthur Lott wife was who they said she was they did not live in OKA. and that was the main rule. I have seen many cases one brother lived in OKA and was enrolled the other lived in Texas and was refused the brother in Texas would have to give up his home and go to OKA where he most likely would have nothing so they didn't so that part of the family was never to be enrolled which was one of the goals of the Dawes Comm. as many of the Watts family found out. Before the removals the Gov. took a census of the Cherokee in GA. Ala. Tenn. NC. By only five white men who did not speak or read the Cherokee. and for sure we know they only came up with 16,000 names1835 only a nut would believe a hole army could not find all the Cherokee and four men did in all those states. Nancy Reece was the Daughter of Tom Lott and che na sa tony who was the daughter of polcat toney who was a Cherokee. we don't really believe that all the Indians ran up and said please put me on your list so I can have the chance to be removed a chance for my children to be taken a chance for us all to die.

Date: 9/15/99 9:53:38 PM Central Daylight Time

From: BGMYRICK

To: JBarron933

Interestingly enough, a daughter of that Lott COPELAND is Lucretia Jane COPELAND. Would you let me know if they are connected to Absalom LOTT and Martha Jane Dorsey LIGHTFOOT and Frances Lucretia LOTT?

Thanks, Bellinda

Date: 9/16/99

To: Lott Circle

In a message dated 9/15/99 9:52:00 PM Central Daylight Time, BGMYRICK writes:

<< John, As I am looking up information on my Ripley COPELAND and Rachael TUCKER at this FTM website there is a Lott COPELAND in Barnwell, SC, that I thought might fit in so I am sending it over. Family Tree Maker's Genealogy Site: User Home Page Genealogy Report: Descendants of John Copeland Bellinda >>

Subj: Lucretia Jane COPELAND, dau of Lott COPELAND

Date: 9/15/99 9:53:38 PM Central Daylight Time

From: BGMYRICK

To: JBarron933

Interestingly enough, a daughter of that Lott COPELAND is Lucretia Jane COPELAND. Would you let me know if they are connected to Absalom LOTT and Martha Jane Dorsey LIGHTFOOT and Frances Lucretia LOTT?

Thanks

Bellinda

Subj: James Acquilla COPELAND

Date: 9/15/99 10:14:59 PM Central Daylight Time

From: BGMYRICK

To: JBarron933

John,

There is a James Acquilla COPELAND that is a son of a Lott COPELAND and Susannah GUESS in Barnwell, South Carolina. I am wondering if there might be a connection with my MYRICK-PIERCE line as well. The COPELAND line is on my grandmother Allie Artimissa PARKER's line from her mother Rachael Moranda LEWIS COLEMAN BRIGHT PARKER, wife of Spencer B. PARKER. Rachael Moranda LEWIS was the daughter of John LEWIS, born: 1820 in SC, and either Harriet ELLZEY and/or Carrie KNIGHT, and John LEWIS was a son of Howell LEWIS, ( a HOWELL and LEWIS descendant,) born: late 1700's in NC and Nancy COPELAND, born: 1791, daughter of Ripley COPELAND, born: 1761 in Chatham Co., NC, and Rachael TUCKER, who are descendants of John COPELAND in the information that I just sent you.

My grandmother, Allie PARKER, born: Aug. 11, 1892/94 near Braxton, Simpson Co., MS, married James Martin MYRICK, born: 1892/94, Simpson Co., MS, son of Calvin Pierce MYRICK, born: 1858 in MS, (mother: Phoebe Catherine HERRINGTON, born: 1834, dau of Cynthia GRANTHAM, born: 1800 in SC and William HERRINGTON, Jr., born: 1794 in NC, son of William HERRINGTON, Sr., and William H. MYRICK, born: abt. 1827 in MS,) and 'Hattie' Harriet Katherine HARRINGTON/HERRINGTON, daughter of Rebeccah Jane DICKSON/DICKERSON and Isom/Isham Daniel HARRINGTON/HERRINGTON, son of Harriet STUCKEY, born: 1802 in SC and Enoch HERRINGTON, born: bet. 1794 - 1804 in NC, son of William HERRINGTON, Sr..

William H. MYRICK was the son of William MYRICK, born: ?? and Elizabeth PIERCE, born: abt. 1790 in SC, who appears to be the daughter of Hugh PIERCE, born: abt. 1749 in Frederick, VA and his wife, Sofia HUNTER. If, indeed, these are her parents her birthdate would probably be 1778 but not totally sure yet. The children of William and Elizabeth PIERCE MYRICK were 4 sons, Aquilla, Henry, Jeremiah and William H. MYRICK, my gg grandfather.

The name that I led off this email with of James Aquilla COPELAND gives me reason for curiosity as the name Aquilla was not only the name for the son of William and Elizabeth PIERCE MYRICK but the name Aquilla was heavily used in the PIERCE and McCRACKEN lines. Her brother, George PIERCE, married Elizabeth McCRACKEN. Also, there is a possibility that his name might have been James Aquilla....not sure on that yet. Also, the name James is my grandfather, James Martin MYRICK. There is a James MYRICK, Colonel who is married to Mary BROOKER, and they were in Barnwell, South Carolina as were the Lott COPELAND and son James Aquilla COPELAND mentioned above. Some researchers believe it is this MYRICK and BROOKER family that my William MYRICK, born: in the late 1700's comes from and that is possible but I don't know if he is directly related to them or not. The time line seems a little bit off....but I just don't have enough yet to nail it down. I know I have sent some of this info before....but this is a new place for it to tie in with the COPELAND, LEWIS, HOWELL and other connected lines which were out of the same areas as the HERRINGTON, LOTT, HATTEN, and MYRICK lines which all are intermarried so it is more than likely that there is a connection with the emergence of these new names.

If you see anything that makes sense out of it all please let me know. Thanks.

Bellinda

Subj: Nancy LOTT and Nicholas COPELAND from Descendants of Charles Bishop KOTH

Date: 9/15/99 10:57:07 PM Central Daylight Time

From: BGMYRICK

To: JBarron933

Family Tree Maker's Genealogy Site: User Home Page Genealogy Report: Ancestors of Charles Bishop Koth

Info on Nancy LOTT and Nicholas COPELAND

Bellinda

Subj: Nancy and Aaron LOTT and COPELAND

Date: 9/15/99 11:09:44 PM Central Daylight Time

From: BGMYRICK

To: JBarron933

Is this our Aaron LOTT and Nancy from John LOTT and Elizabeth JOYNER?

Going to check your website now.

Didn't know of this connection before now. This Nancy LOTT and Nicholas COPELAND, I, would be my 6th great grandparents in this line that is from my paternal grandmother's side of the family. My HATTEN - LOTT - LIGHTFOOT is on my maternal grandmother's side.

Bellinda

Subj: LOTT - COPELAND

Date: 9/15/99 11:16:05 PM Central Daylight Time

From: BGMYRICK

To: JBarron933

Family Tree Maker's Genealogy Site: User Home Page Genealogy Report: Ancestors of Charles Bishop Koth