_Charibert _
_Chrodobert I _|____________
_Lantbert I _|
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_Chrodobert II Count Palatine_|
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_Lambert II _|
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| |_Doda ________________________|
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|--Robert I C of Wormgau
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Stuart's "Royalty For Commoners" (53:43) has Robert, Count of Hesbaye;
b. c700; liv. 750; md. WILLISWINDA, dau ALLEAUME. This entry calls
Robert the son of LAMBERT (RIN 3847).
Inconsistently, Stuart's "Royalty For Commoners" (169:42) has Rutpert
(Robert) I, Duke in the Haspengau, Count in the upper Rhine and
Wormsgau, royal missus in Italy; b. 689; d. by 764; md. 730, WILLISWINT,
occ. 768; heiress of lands in the Wormsgau . . . WILLISWINT was dau. of
COUNT ADELHEIM, a widower in 764. This entry has Robert as the son of
another LAMBERT (RIN 3847), with a different ancestry.
Weis' "Ancestral Roots. . ." (48:13) has Rutepert II, Count in the upper
Rhine and Wormgau, seen 722-757; m. WILLISWINT, dau. COUNT
ADELHELM, wid. 764. This source gives Rutperet's father as LANSBERTUS
(LAMBERT) II (RIN 3847).
"Todd A. Farmerie"
on 14 Dec 1996 (in part):
Subject: Re: Lamberts and Roberts and Williswints, Oh My !
"The big problem is that there are conflicting schools regarding the
origins of these families. The problems focus on the descent of the
Capets. The germans give them a different descent than the french.
They all agree that Robert and WILLISWINT are the ancestors, but
drasticly disagree about the connection, and somewhat regarding the
ancestry of Robert (the questions are linked somewhat, being based on
different interpretations of the power base of the family). Most
sources accept one or the other, rather than making any attempt to
harmonize them. This becomes a problem when an author (such as
Stuart) doesn't recognize that he has two different versions of the same
thing, and uses both, making no attempt to either harmonize or pick one.
(The same mistake was made in Weis/Sheppard, where a switch from
french to german was made for the Capet line, with no realization that
this would affect a branch.)
So, basically, yes, Robert and WILLISWINT are the same people. Yes,
RFC has contradictory descents. No, I am not familiar enough with the
sources to tell you which is righter."
Created by
Sparrowhawk 1.0 (4/17/1996)
on
Wed Aug 27 01:32:05 2003