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                                                        _John BONYTHON ____|____________________
                                    _Richard BONYTHON _|
                                   |                   |                    _William MYLEINTON _
                                   |                   |_Elinor MYLEINTON _|____________________
                   _John BONYTHON _|
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                  |                |                    _William LEIGH ____|____________________
                  |                |_Lucretia LEIGH ___|
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                  |                                    |_Phillipa PREST ___|____________________
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|--Mary BENIGHTON 
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Charles Duke of Ingelheim

• Birth: 0772
• Death: 4 DEC 0811

• Reference: 11855

1. Roland of Neustria

                                                                                                                             _Ansegisel Domesticus_________
                                                                                          _Pepin II Mayor of Palace_________|_Begga Abbess of Ardenne______
                                                         _Charles Martel Mayor of Palace_|
                                                        |                                |                                   ______________________________
                                                        |                                |_Alpaida _________________________|______________________________
                             _Pepin III K of the Franks_|
                            |                           |                                                                    _Guerin C of Poitiers_________
                            |                           |                                 _Liutwin Count & Bishop of Treves_|_Gunza _______________________
                            |                           |_Rotrude _______________________|
                            |                                                            |                                   _Chrodobert II Count Palatine_
                            |                                                            |_UNKNOWN _________________________|_Doda ________________________
 _Charlemagne HRE___________|
|                           |                                                                                                ______________________________
|                           |                                                             _Martin of Laon___________________|______________________________
|                           |                            _Charibert C of Laon____________|
|                           |                           |                                |                                   _Hugobert Count Palatine______
|                           |                           |                                |_Bertrada ________________________|_Irmina Abbess of Oeren_______
|                           |_Bertrada of Laon__________|
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|                                                       |                                 __________________________________|______________________________
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|                                                                                        |                                   ______________________________
|                                                                                        |__________________________________|______________________________
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|--Charles Duke of Ingelheim
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|                                                       |                                |__________________________________|______________________________
|                            _Gerold C in Vinzgau_______|
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|_Hildegarde the Alemannian_|
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                            |                                                             _Gotfrid D of Alemannia___________|______________________________
                            |                            _Nebi Huoching D of Alemannia___|
                            |                           |                                |                                   ______________________________
                            |                           |                                |_UNKNOWN _________________________|______________________________
                            |_Imma of Alemannia_________|
                                                        |                                                                    ______________________________
                                                        |                                 __________________________________|______________________________
                                                        |________________________________|
                                                                                         |                                   ______________________________
                                                                                         |__________________________________|______________________________

Notes

accepted and is still in the early stages of serious research. It may or may

not prove to be viable.

This line of descent from Jim Fina. His sources for this generation:

1. Brian Tompsett, "Directory of Royal Genealogical Data, University of

Hull, UK, http://www.dcs.hull.ac.uk/cgi-bin/gedlkup/n=royal," Web Site, -

information from this source should be corroborated by other sources.

2. Einhard The Frank, The Life of Charlemagne, Translated by Lewis Thorpe,

The Folio Society, London, MCMLXX, The Emperor's Private Life passim.

3. Roger Collins, Early Medieval Europe 300 - 1000, St. Martin's Press, New

York, Second Edition, 1999, p. 336.

4. Charles Dean Pruitt, "www.mathematical.com,"

http://mathematical.com/, March 12, 2001, note: Information from this

source should be corroborated by other sources.

5. Schwennicke, Detlev, Europäische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur

Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, First series by Wilhelm Karl Prinz zu

Isenburg, continued second series by Frank Baron Freytag von Loringhoven,

Marburg, Germany: Verlag von J. A. Stargardt, Band I: Die Deutschen

Staaten, 1980, Tafel 2.

As Charlemagne aged, he realized he had to make a provision for the

division of his empire among his sons, a Frankish custom. From

Charlemagne's Divisio Regnorum, promulgated in 806:

. "So as not to leave my sons a confused and unsettled matter of dispute

and contention as regards the status of my entire kingdom, I have divided

the whole body of the realm into three portions; the portion that each of

them is to guard and rule, I have caused to be described and designated. I

have done this so that each may be content with his portion in accord with

my ruling. and so that each may strive to defend the borders of his

kingdom which face foreign peoples and maintain peace and charity with his

brothers." In this division, Louis received Aquitaine, his brother Pippin

received Italy and the other brother Charles Francia. Pippin died in 810 and

Charles in 811, before Charlemagne."

Jim Fina makes some very insightful remarks regarding the disposition of

Charles' inheritance:

. "While no major sources say he died childless, most do not give any

information on his children. This in turn may lead some to conclude he died

childless, but lack of information about someone is not proof he or she

didn't exist. One thought is that it may be that Charles's son Roland was

illegitimate, which would certainly explain why he didn't inherit their father's

share of the empire. We know that when Charles's brother Pepin died the

year before, Pepin's titles, lands, and honors devolved on his son Bernard.

But this goes to another level if Tompsett is correct, and the mother of

Roland was in fact, Julianna, Charlemagne's grandniece. These two couldn't

marry because such a marriage would have fallen within the prohibited

degrees of consanguinity (see the law of Theodosius which forbade [c.384]

the marriage of cousins; also canon [c. 16, C. 55, q. 2], outlined in the

letter of Gregory III [732], forbidding marriage among the Franks to the

seventh degree of consanguinity). So if such a consanguineous union had

taken place, and their were children of the marriage, I doubt it would be

discussed at court, much less written about! Charlemagne had nearly as

many illegitimate children as legitimate, and his wanting to keep his

daughters near him and so unmarried accounted for at least one out of

wedlock child as well. Certainly his eldest son Charles having an illegitimate

child (or children) wouldn't have been considered unusual in this family. But

Charles having an illegitimate child by his cousin may have embarrassed

even the Holy Roman Emperor himself!

. Interesting, that Charlemagne's biographer, Einhard The Frank (The Life

of Charlemagne, Translated by Lewis Thorpe, The Folio Society, London,

MCMLXX), mentions Charles 'the Younger,' but does not say he died childless

or that that his line ended. Also interesting that Charles 'the Younger' was

not made a King until the Divisio Regnorum in 806 (Tompsett says he was

crowned in 790), whereas his two younger brothers had been crowned in

781. For some reason or other, Charles was obviously not the favorite son.

Yet it gets more curious, after he finally was elevated to a kingdom, it was

to inherit the heartland of the Frankish empire. Charles, however, never

ruled. He died in 811, one of three children Charlemagne lost during his

lifetime according to Einhard, who also commented on how hard these

tragedies affected the Emperor.

. An extremely interesting comment is where Einhard wrote of

Charlemagne's mother, "living long enough to see three of her grandsons

and as many granddaughters in her son's house." She died 12 July 783, and

since none of his daughters married while Charlemagne was alive (Rotrude

had an illegitimate son, Lewis, Abbot of St. Denis, although we don't know if

he was born prior to his grandmother's death) that only leaves his

sons--two of which, Pepin and Louis did not have grandsons until after her

death. At any rate, it certainly leaves room for Charles to have had a son

(or two, or even three) prior to his grandmother's death.

. Since Einhard wrote the Life of Charlemagne under commission of Louis I

'the Pious,' Charles, his older brother and already deceased, got very little

mention in the book. Certainly there had to be a great deal more to the

story than Einhard wrote, but at the same time court politics certainly

would have dictated what he could and couldn't say. Since most, if not all,

later historians relied on Einhard's work for details of this family, and he

provides almost no information on the eldest son Charles, these historians

either had little to say themselves, or were led to make conclusions--such

as he died childless--when there is no proof of this."

Garsenda of Toulouse

• Reference: 8620

1. Gersinde de Fezensac

                                                                                                                                  _Sigebert C of Rouergue_______
                                                                                               _Fulgaud C of Rouergue____________|______________________________
                                                          _Raimond I C of Toulouse____________|
                                                         |                                    |                                   _Fredelon ____________________
                                                         |                                    |_Senegonde _______________________|_Bertha (Auba) of Autun_______
                            _Eudes C of Toulouse_________|
                           |                             |                                                                        ______________________________
                           |                             |                                     _Remigius ________________________|______________________________
                           |                             |_Berthe ____________________________|
                           |                                                                  |                                   ______________________________
                           |                                                                  |_Arsinde _________________________|______________________________
 _Raimond II C of Toulouse_|
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|                          |                              _Ermengaud C of Albi________________|
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|                          |                             |                                    |__________________________________|______________________________
|                          |_Garsinde de Albi____________|
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|--Garsenda of Toulouse
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|                                                                                              _Sancho Sanchez D of Gascony______|______________________________
|                                                         _Sancho Sanchez D of Gascony________|
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|                                                        |                                    |__________________________________|______________________________
|                           _Garcia Sanchez D of Gascony_|
|                          |                             |                                                                        _Aznar I Galindez C of Aragon_
|                          |                             |                                     _Galindo I Aznarez C of Aragon____|_UNKNOWN _____________________
|                          |                             |_UNKNOWN Galindez of Aragon_________|
|                          |                                                                  |                                   ______________________________
|                          |                                                                  |_Guldregut _______________________|______________________________
|_Andregoto Garces ________|
                           |                                                                                                      ______________________________
                           |                                                                   _Ulrich I C in Argengau___________|______________________________
                           |                              _Wulgrim I TAILLIFER C of Angouleme_|
                           |                             |                                    |                                   _Begue C of Paris_____________
                           |                             |                                    |_Suzanna _________________________|_Alpais ______________________
                           |_Amuna of Angouleme__________|
                                                         |                                                                        _William I D of Toulouse______
                                                         |                                     _Bernard I Margrave of Septamania_|_Witburga of Hornbach_________
                                                         |_Sancha of Septamania_______________|
                                                                                              |                                   _Sancho D of Gascony__________
                                                                                              |_Dhuoda __________________________|_UNKNOWN of Aragon____________

Notes

(RIN 2401) based on the latest research. This generation is confirmed in

that posting.

Elizabeth BANESTER

• Reference: 4561

1. Christopher LISTER

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