GEN-MEDIEVAL@rootsweb.com on 12 Apr 1998 (in part):

Subject: Re: Merovingian ancestry of Hildegarde?

. . . This hypothesis originally proposed by Jarnut [5] set out to

explain the claim in the sources that SWANAHILD [RIN 2452*] second wife

of Charles Martel was the niece of Piltrud and of Odilo duke of Bavaria.

According to the Jarnut/Werner hypothesis Swanahild was the daughter of

Piltrud's half-brother (possibly Tassilo II) by a sister (possibly named

'Imma') sister of duke Odilo.

While the Jarnut/Werner hypothesis rules out certain options when attempting

to solve the problem of the origin of duke Odilo (and of his putative sister

Imma), the hypothesis as such does not commit one to a particular answer.

Jarnut (p.351) does think it probable that Odilo (and his unnamed sister)

was son of duke GOTFRID OF ALEMANNIA [RIN 4666]. In this he agrees with

Eckhardt. But B Behr [6] disagrees with them both.

How is it that Odilo (d.about 748), if he was son of duke Gotfrid (d.709) of

Alemannia (following Eckhardt and others), became duke of Bavaria? Eckhardt

explains this by having a daughter of Theodo II (d.716) marry duke Gotfrid.

This is not really plausible on chronological grounds. His onomastic

argument is interesting but I think his onomastic points points may well

invite an explanation of the relationship between Odilo and the previous

dukes that did not rely on Odilo's mother being a daughter of Theodo II. On

several reconstructions of the early Agilolfings, the succession of the

duchy was shared by collateral branches of the family group (eg Eckhardt

himself on p.105). An onomastic case could be made for the Alemannic family

being a collateral branch of the (in the male/female line of the

Agilolfings). Behr does not think there is any solid evidence that Odilo was

son of Gotfrid (i.e. a member of the Alemannic ducal family). Zoellner

(pp.103-106) canvasses the evidence and possible hypotheses regarding

Odilo's origins.

[1] K A Eckhardt *Merowingerblut II: Agilolfinger und Etichonen*

(Witzenhausen, 1965) pp.105, 153

[2] E Zoellner 'Das Geschlecht der Agilolfinger' in *Mitteilungen

Oberoestereichischen Landesarchivs* (Linz, 1978) vol.2 pp.83-110

[3] M Werner *Adelsfamilien im Umkreis der fruehen Karolinger: Die

Verwandschaft Irminas von Oehren und Adelas von Pfalzel* (Sigmaringen, 1982)

[4] E Hlawitswchka 'Die Vorfahren Karls des Grossen' in *Karl der Grosse,

Lebenswerk und Nachleben I* (1965) ed. W Braunfels

[5] J Jarnut 'Beitraege zu den fraenkisch-bayerisch-langobardischen

Beziehungen im 7. und 8. Jahrhundert (656-783)' in *Zeitschrift fuer

bayerische Landesgeschichte* 39 (1976), pp.331-352.

[6] B Behr *Das alemannische Herzogtum bis 750* (Frankfurt, 1975) pp.184ff.

21 GENERATIONS of Ireland

• Reference: 2751

1. Ugaine Mor K of Ireland

                                                                                    __
                                                               _Breogan K of Spain_|__
                                             _Bile K of Spain_|
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                       _Milesius K of Spain_|
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                      |                     |                  ____________________|__
                      |                     |_Buan ___________|
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 _Eremon K of Ireland_|
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|                     |_Scota of Egypt______|
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|--21 GENERATIONS of Ireland
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|                                                              _Breogan K of Spain_|__
|                                            _Ith ____________|
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|                                           |                 |____________________|__
|                      _Lugaid K of Munster_|
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|                     |                     |                  ____________________|__
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|_Tea ________________|
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                      |                                        ____________________|__
                      |                      _________________|
                      |                     |                 |                     __
                      |                     |                 |____________________|__
                      |_Fial _______________|
                                            |                                       __
                                            |                  ____________________|__
                                            |_________________|
                                                              |                     __
                                                              |____________________|__

Notes

several places in CGH as follows:

UGAINE MOR, son of

Eochaid Buadach, son of

Dui Ladrach, son of

Fiachu Tolgrach, son of

Muiredach Bolgach, son of

Simon Brecc, son of

Aedan Glas, son of

Nuadu Find Fail, son of

Giallchad, son of

Ailill Oalchlaen, son of

Sirna Sirsaeglach, son of

Dian, son of

Rothechtaid Rigderg, son of

Moen, son of

Oengus Olmuccaid, son of

Fiachu Labraind, son of

Smirgoll, son of

Senboth, son of

Tigernmas, son of

Follach, son of

Ethrel, son of

Iarel Faith, son of

EREMON.