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GEN-MEDIEVAL-L-request@rootsweb.com on 26 Nov 1998
Subject: Llywelyn AT:
. "JC.20-1 (a fourteenth century manuscript) gives Angharad ferch
Meurig as the wife of Rhodri Mawr, and is the earliest known source to
mention Angharad. Patrick Sims-Williams has argued persuasively (in
SW) that Angharad is a late invention, and I find his arguments
convincing. (The main problem is that JC, the earliest source for this and
other marriages, shows a disturbing tendancy to have suspiciously
convenient sisters marrying just the right people, suggesting invention.)
The same arguments apply to Rhodri's alleged mother Nest of Powys.
Since Angharad probably never existed, the supposed line of descent
from the kings of Ceredigion which has been traced through her is
probably not valid."
. Key to source abbreviations:
. JC = Jesus College (Oxford) MS. 20, in EWGT, pp. 41-50. The
manuscript itself is from the fourteenth century, but since the latest
individuals mentioned in the manuscript are Llywelyn ap Iorwerth and
some of his contemporaries, its source appears to date from the early
thirteenth century (or perhaps a bit earlier - see the sources cited
in EWGT, p. 41).
. SW = Patrick Sims-Williams, "Historical Need and Literary Narrative:
a Caveat from Ninth Century Wales", The Welsh History Review 17
(1994), 1-40.
. EWGT = Early Welsh Genealogical Tracts, edited by P. C. Bartrum
(University of Wales Press, Cardiff, 1966).