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Ana JAIME

Family 1: Michael Thomas COLLINS
  1. Brian COLLINS
  2. Steven Thomas COLLINS

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Created by Sparrowhawk 1.0 (4/17/1996) on Wed Aug 27 01:29:34 2003
I2546: Iago K of Gwynedd ( - 0616)

Iago K of Gwynedd

Father: Beli

Family 1:
  1. Cadfan K of Gwynedd

                                                            _Einion Yrth _________________
                                        _Cadwallon Lawhir _|_Prawst of Powys______________
                     _Maelgwn Gwynedd _|
                    |                  |                    _Maeldaf _____________________
                    |                  |_Meddyf ___________|_UNKNOWN _____________________
         _Rhun Hir _|
        |           |                                       ______________________________
        |           |                   _Afallach _________|______________________________
        |           |_Gwallwen ________|
        |                              |                    ______________________________
        |                              |___________________|______________________________
 _Beli _|
|       |                                                   _Maeswig Gloff K in N Britain_
|       |                               _Einion K of York__|______________________________
|       |            _Rhun Ryfeddfawr _|
|       |           |                  |                    ______________________________
|       |           |                  |___________________|______________________________
|       |_Perweur __|
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|--Iago K of Gwynedd
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Notes

Bartrum's "Welsh Genealogies".

Stewart Baldwin posted to

soc.genealogy.medieval on 29 Jun 1997 (in part):

Subject: Re: Rhoderic Mawr, King of Wales

"The family claimed descent from Mailcun [MAELGWN GWYNEDD (RIN 2549)],

a contemporary of the author Gildas (5th or 6th century), whose

exact chronology is uncertain. (The obituary of Maelgwn which appears

in Annales Cambriae is a late fabrication, so the Annales Cambriae

cannot be used to deduce a date for Gildas.) However, there are

suspicious features in the early part of the pedigree (see, for example,

Molly Miller, "Date Guessing and Pedigrees", in Studia Celtica 10/11

[1975/6], pp. 96-109), and the part of the pedigree which can be

considered reasonably certain begins with [this] Iago, whose death is

recorded in the Irish annals."

sbald@auburn.campus.mci.net (Stewart Baldwin) posted to

GEN-MEDIEVAL-L-request@rootsweb.com on 26 Nov 1998

Subject: Llywelyn AT:

. "Iago, king of Gwynedd, d. ca. 616 [AC, which should only be

considered approximate]. [Note: Since Iago apparently died only 18 years

(or thereabouts) before his grandson Cadwallon, he was evidently elderly

at the time. Thus, as has been pointed out on numerous occasions, there

are chronological difficulties with accepting his traditional pedigree

[HG.1: "... Iacob map Beli map Rhun map Mailcun

.."], which would make him the great-grandson of the famous Maelgwn

Gwynedd, king of Gwynedd, and contemporary of Gildas, who is

frequently dated to the middle of the sixth century (perhaps not

correctly). Despite these doubts, the traditional genealogy of Iago is not

absolutely impossible, even if Maelgwn died in the middle of the sixth

century. Furthermore, since the AC obituary of Maelgwn has been

convincingly shown to be a tenth century fabrication (see "Gildas and

Maelgwn: Problems of Dating", by David N. Dumville, in Gildas: New

Approaches (ed. Lapidge & Dumville, The Boydell Press), 51-9), it is not

impossible that both Gildas and Maelgwn should be dated earlier in the

sixth century, which would ease the chronological problems caused by

the above genealogy. Thus, if a consensus should arise that the work of

Gildas should be dated a generation or so earlier than it normally has

been, the skeptical position on these earlier generations might have to

be reevaluated.] "


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