_Robert I K of France_____________________
_Hugh "the Great" C of Paris___|_Beatrix of Vermandois____________________
_Hugh Capet K of France__|
| | _Henry I "The Fowler" D of Saxony_________
| |_Hedwig (Judith) of Saxony_____|_Matilda of Ringelheim____________________
_Robert II K of France_______|
| | _Ebles Manzer D of Aquitaine______________
| | _William III D of Aquitaine____|_Emliane _________________________________
| |_Adelaide of Aquitaine___|
| | _Rollo D of Normandy______________________
| |_Gerloc of Normandy____________|_Poppa of Bayeux__________________________
_Robert I "the Old" D of Burgundy_|
| | _Rotbold II C of Arles____________________
| | _Boso II C of Provence_________|_UNKNOWN _________________________________
| | _William I C of Provence_|
| | | | _Charles Constantine C of Vienne & Bellay_
| | | |_Constance of Vienne___________|_Teutberga of Troyes______________________
| |_Constance of Provence_______|
| | _Fulk I "the Red" C of Anjou______________
| | _Fulk II "The Good" C of Anjou_|_Roscille de Loches_______________________
| |_Adele\Blanche of Anjou__|
| | _Ratburns I Viscount of Vienne____________
| |_Geberga ______________________|_Gerberga ________________________________
|
|--Hildegarde of Burgundy
|
| _Fulk I "the Red" C of Anjou______________
| _Fulk II "The Good" C of Anjou_|_Roscille de Loches_______________________
| _Geoffrey I C of Anjou___|
| | | _Ratburns I Viscount of Vienne____________
| | |_Geberga ______________________|_Gerberga ________________________________
| _Fulk III "Nerra" C of Anjou_|
| | | _Herbert II C of Vermandois_______________
| | | _Robert C of Troyes____________|_Adela of Paris___________________________
| | |_Adela of Troyes_________|
| | | _Giselbert D of Burgundy__________________
| | |_Adelaide of Burgundy__________|_Ermengarde ______________________________
|_Ermengarde of Anjou______________|
| __________________________________________
| _______________________________|__________________________________________
| _________________________|
| | | __________________________________________
| | |_______________________________|__________________________________________
|_Hildegarde _________________|
| __________________________________________
| _______________________________|__________________________________________
|_________________________|
| __________________________________________
|_______________________________|__________________________________________
and HELIE.
"Alan B. Wilson"
soc.genealogy.medieval on 6 Feb 1997:
Subject: Re: ELEANOR OF AQUITAINE ahnenlist
"Europaische Stammtafeln, ii, 20, however, lists Robert's
second wife, Ermengarde of Anjou, widow of Geoffrey II Ferreol
of Gatinais and daughter of Fulk III "Nerra" of Anjou, as the
mother of Hildegarde. According to ES Robert married Helie
circa 1033 and disowned her in 1046. Robert married secondly
circa 1048 Ermengarde of Anjou. Hildegarde was born probably in
1050.
Stuart Royalty for Commoners, line 154, says Robert
married, firstly, in 1035, Ermengarde, and married, secondly,
circa 1055, Helie. Hildegarde is reported as born circa 1033,
and daughter of Helie. (Stuart usually tries to follow ES, I
believe, but this apparently threw him.) Earlier, in line 91,
Stuart reports Ermengarde marrying Robert I in 1048 which is
consistent with ES.
Stuart's oddities aside, the chronology and conclusions
presented in ES do raise questions about the parentage of
Hildegarde.
"D. Spencer Hines"
soc.genealogy.medieval on 5 May 1997 (in part):
Subject: Re: ELEANOR OF AQUITAINE AHNENREIHE
". . . Schwennicke (ed.) Europaische Stammtafeln, ii, 20, was what I
relied on. I am aware that earlier sources say Helie. Moriarty, p. 40,
for
example gives the explicit date, 16 Jan 1055, for the divorce of Helie
from Robert. If that were correct Hildegarde would almost surely be the
daughter of Helie. I assume that whoever worked on the ES table was
acquainted with this earlier literature and had some basis for giving
the
firm date, 1046.
ES ii, 20 says Helie b. 1016; d. after 1055 (which, of course, includes
1109). This same information appears in ES iii, 434. There is says
"verstossen um 1050" which tightens the chronology. I still presume
Ermengarde to be mother of Hildegarde. . ."
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