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                        _Valentine N MANSFIELD _|
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|--Jessie C MANSFIELD 
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|_Elisa J _____________|
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Brychan of Manaw

• Reference: 5524

1. Lluan
2. Gwawr
3. Nyfain*

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|--Brychan of Manaw
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Notes

was the leader who gave his name to Brecknock (Brycheiniog).

However, this has likely been confused with another Brychan (RIN 6648),

of which see the notes.

Geberga of Chalon

• Death: 11 Dec 0968/0991

• Reference: 1465

1. Otto William D of Burgundy
2. Gerberge of Italy

1. NO CHILDREN

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                                    _Robert Vicomte of Autun_|
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 _Lambert of Autun Ist C of Chalon_|
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|                                  |_Ingeltrude _____________|
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|--Geberga of Chalon
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|                                                                                                               _Thierry I "The Treasurer" C of Autun_
|                                                                                      _Thierry II C of Chalon_|_UNKNOWN _____________________________
|                                                             _Manasses C of Chalon___|
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|                                   _Giselbert D of Burgundy_|
|                                  |                         |                                                  _Bivin _______________________________
|                                  |                         |                         _Boso I K of Provence___|_Richilda of Arles____________________
|                                  |                         |_Ermengarde of Provence_|
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|                                  |                                                  |_UNKNOWN _______________|______________________________________
|_Adelaide of Burgundy_____________|
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                                   |_Ermengarde _____________|
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                                                                                      |________________________|______________________________________

Notes

. . . dau. of Othon (says ES, II:59). NOTE: Moriarity, p.37, says parents of

Gerberga were LIETAUD I, COUNT OF MACON [RIN 1391] , and Berta. Other

sources say LAMBERT, COUNT OF CHALONS and AELIZ."

"Alan B. Wilson" posted to

soc.genealogy.medieval on1 Dec 1996:

Subject: Re: Gerberga, wife of Adalbert (was re. Welfs)

"To further complicate matters, while both ES ii, 11 and ES ii, 59

list an Othon as father of Gerberga, the revised version of ES ii, 59

(which appears in iii(1)), and ES iii, 439 both list LETALDE, COUNT OF

MACON [RIN 1391] as her father. This agrees with Moriarty and

Winkhaus. However Joannis and de Saint-Jouan in "Les seize quartiers

genealogiques des Capetiens", 469, lists LAMBERT DE CHALON as father

of Gerberga.

If one accepts LETALDE as father, there is little consensus as to

Gerberga's mother. LETALDE m. (1) ERMENGARDE OF CHALON [RIN 1401] ;

(2) Berta, possibly dau. of GARNIER\WARINUS, COUNT OF TROYES

[RIN 3454] ; and (3) Richilde, dau. of RICHARD OF AUTUN [i.e. RICHARD THE

JUSTICIAR (RIN 1238)]. Winkhaus lists ERMENGARDE as Gerberga's

mother; Moriarty lists Berta; and ES (in vol. iii) lists either Berta or

Richilde.

This probably doesn't help at all."

Later, on 28 Apr 1997, he added another posting:

Subject: Re: Untangling the Burgundy web

"Gerberga who m. ADALBERT, KING OF ITALY, is more ambiguous. ES iii,

439 lists her as daughter of LETALDE, COUNT OF MACON. This agrees with

Moriarty and Winkhaus. However Joannis and de Saint-Jouan in "Les

seize quartiers genealogiques des Capetians," 469, lists LAMBERT OF

CHALON as father of Gerberga.

To totally confuse the matter, ES ii, 59 [rev. in iii(1)] lists as the wife

of ADALBERT, Gerberga, known as daughter of LEOTALD OF MACON and

sister of Hugo of Chalon, Bishop of Auxerre.

To really liven matters up, ES ii, 11 tells us that Henry, Count of

Nevers and Duke of Lower Burgundy m. Gerberga of Macon, widow of

ADALBERT, KING OF ITALY, dau. of Othon.

I have a note that there is a discussion of the evidence for and the

debate over the identity of the parents of Gerberge in Constance Brittain

Bouchard, "Sword, Mitre and Cloister: Nobility and the Church in

Burgundy, 980-1198" (Ithaca, NY: Cornell, 1987)."

Matman posted to

soc.genealogy.medieval on 29 Apr 1997:

Subject: Re: Untangling the Burgundy web

"For English readers, the Bouchard article (p261ff) is essential to

understanding this confusion in ES. French historians etc have peddled

various theories: the ES has noted all of them, hence the internal

disagreement.

Some have favoured LEOTALD OF MACON as the father of Gerberga, but

Bouchard follows the more reliable ones (F.Lot, R.Poupardin etc) in

seeing her as the daughter of LAMBERT. She lists 3 children of LAMBERT:

Gerberga (m. 1) ADALBERT (2) Henry; Matilda (m. Geoffrey); Hugo of

Chalon. The sources clearly state that Matilda and Hugo were children of

LAMBERT, but they don't mention the father of Gerberga.

The main argument for Gerberga being the daughter of LEOTALD is, I

think, the fact that her great grandson Otto of Macon (not OTTO-

WILLIAM) calls Leotald his _atavus_. The strict classical meaning of

this is great-great-great-grandad, which would imply, that Gerberga

was LEOTALD's grandaughter. However most who favour LEOTALD's

parentage, have overlooked this inconvenient detail, and suggested that

the term here just means distant ancestor.

The other evidence is the Life of Hugo of Chalon (d.1039) who says that

his sister married the duke of Burgundy. This has been seen as Gerberga

wife of Henry (d.1002). Those who favour LEOTALD as her father, say this

sister was Matilda, who they say married Henry before she married

Geoffrey of Semur. Thus if one rejects LAMBERT as the father of

Gerberga, you have to invent a new wife for Duke Henry. I think ES III,

433-34 has these two marriages. Somewhere else in ES, it even gives

this supposed marriage of Matilda and Henry a daughter, AREMBURGA [RIN

3866], the wife of DALMAS I OF SEMUR [RIN 1475].

I havn't gone into all the various arguments, or evidence: its best to

read Bouchard yourself, and decide whether you agree with her.

Personally I prefer her no-nonsense approach, and the works of other

notable historians (eg W.Kienast Die Herzogtitel in Frankreich &

Deutschland, 1968) agree with her on the father of Gerberga being

LAMBERT."

On 1 Dec 2000 Todd Farmerie posted to GEN-MEDIEVAL:

. "As previously noted, this is a much debated question. For starters, as

convenient as they might be, you will never get anywhere comparing

Moriarty, Winkhaus, Brandenburg, Royalty for Commoners, and ES. They

are all compilation sources, which have extracted the parts they have

liked out of the scholarly expositions of the question, and often end up

presenting mutually incompatable connections. As with other troubled

connections, Vajay has had a large influence on the field, and we can see

shadows of his work appearing in many of the connections discussed.

However, his work was superceded by that of Bouchard, who in turn has

been surpassed by Christian Settipani. Anyone interested in this

question should consult his 1994 article, "Les Origines Maternelles du

Comte de Bourgogne Otte-Guillaume," which appeared in Annales de

Bourgogne, vol. 66, pp. 5-63.

. He concludes that Gerberga was daughter of Lambert, Count of Chalon,

by his wife Adelais, who was in turn probably daughter of Hugh of Vienne

(tapped by some as male-line ancestor of the house of Savoy) by Willa, a

kinswoman of the Welf Kings of Burgundy."