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A Pioneer DNA Surname Project
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Fortest and Tree
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R1b1b2a1b5 (Shorthand R-L21)
common name honours David Douglas, the Scottish botanist who first introduced
the tree into
Haplogroup R1b1b2 is the most common Haplogroup in European populations. It is believed to have expanded throughout Europe as humans re-colonized after the last glacial maximum 10-12 thousand years ago. This lineage is also the Haplogroup containing the Atlantic Modal Haplotype.
SNP R-M269 aka R1b1b2
└── SNP R-P312 aka R1b1b2a1b
└── SNP R-L21 aka R1b1b2a1b5
This is our place on the Haplogroup tree per FTDNA (as of March 2009)
The R-P312 or R-S116 (rs34276300) SNP is downstream of R-M269, but not R-U106. It appears to divide R1b1b2 in half. Although unpublished it was included in chip-based commercial DNA tests towards the end of 2007 and analysis of the first available results in early 2008 by amateur geneticists indicated it has a significant place in the Y-DNA tree.
Early results as of November 2008 suggest that the R-L21 or R-S145 (rs11799226) SNP is common in the British Isles, and is yet to be observed so far in Iberian ancestry. Its subclade R-M222 is particularly associated with the Irish and Scots.(Our Group will not be positive for R-M222)
The International Society of Genetic Genealogy maintains a separate Haplogroup tree for Haplogroup R. For the current ISOGG Haplogroup R tree and any updates go to: http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpR09.html
Group Leader: Scott Johnston
The members of the group Douglas-Fir are all close DNA matches.
Most of these members are descended from a person known as Zopher Johnston 'The Elder'
For the DNA relationship between these individuals please see the Excel file “JOHNSON_DNA.xls”
Stevie Hughes has written extensively on the descendants of Zopher Johnston 'The Elder'
Those interested in learning about them please go to the following web page
On this page there are .pdf files on the various members of this family, located near the bottom of the page.
The DNA of the members of Douglas-Fir belong to the Haplogroup R1b1b2a1b5 per FTDNA.
Robert Charles Johnson (Kit N44042) had his Haplogroup officially confirmed by FTDNA. For all others the Haplogroup has been predicted. This is based on the SNP R-M269. Recent discoveries have broken this Haplogroup further. A new SNP called variously R-P312, R-S116, or rs34276300. FTDNA has recognized this SNP and designates as R1b1b2a1b. Downstream of R-P312 is a newly discovered SNP named R-L21. In November of 2008 I tested positive for R-L21. In March of 2009 FTDNA recognized this SNP as being part of the Haplogroup tree. My Haplogroup has been confirmed as R1b1b2a1b5 as of March 16, 2009.
Due to the similarity of our DNA this would also make all other members of Douglas-Fir R-L21 positive. To determine what FTDNA has classified you log into your personal page at FTDNA, under Y-DNA select Haplotree. At the top of the Interactive Haplotree page you will see ‘My Confirmed Haplogroup and the Shorthand. Further down on the page if you select R on the right hand side (shows ‘Your Match) a new page appears this shows where you are on the Haplogroup R tree.
To have your Haplogroup confirmed a SNP test could be ordered thru FTDNA’s
Advanced Orders, the L21 test (found under R-P312) currently costs $29.
(Plus a small fee to transfer your sample to the Houston lab.)
Our group Haplotype is part of the Scots Modal or cluster, which is part of the larger Atlantic Modal Haplotype, also called Western Atlantic Modal Haplotype.
This is listed on the left side of your personal page at FTDNA. Click on the icon for information on what this is.
For other modals please see John McEwan's web page at: http://www.geocities.com/mcewanjc/p3modal.htm
At one time it was thought that this modal had its origins in Ireland but the thinking currently is that its origins are in Scotland or elsewhere in Britain. For more information on this subject please see these two files:
Kevin D. Campbell wrote “Geographic Patterns of R1b in the British Isles”. This paper identifies haplotypes in the Oxford Genetic Atlas Project data and links these to Bryan Sykes’ book, Blood of the Isles. The analysis provides support for Sykes’ conclusions and posits the genetic signatures for the Dal Riada Celts and Picts identified in Sykes’ book.
In Kevin Campbell's analysis the haplotype named OAGP4 by Bryan Sykes corresponds to the Scots modal. In it he writes:
"OGAP4 is particularly intriguing. It is ubiquitous across all areas of Scotland and exceptionally strong in Grampian, Tayside, and Strathclyde. If we discount the Irish influx in Argyll and the Hebrides, it is also among the strongest haplotypes present in these regions. It would not be too much of a stretch to label OGAP4 the quintessential Scottish haplotype and the single closest identifier to whatever is considered the indigenous Scottish population. Sykes and Oppenheimer both write that the Picts were as close as anything to the indigenous population of Scotland."
Links To Sites of Interest
Our Testing Lab
Queries to Cecil Johnson
UK Clan Johnstone
Website of Linda Sparks Starr
Lee Johnson Administrator | Sherrie Boone Co-Administrator |
Barbara Hockman Pedigree Coordinator | Tony Johnson Librarian US |
Don Johnston Librarian NZ & Australia | Cathy Cadd Librarian Canada
Euell Johnson Research Analysis