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Scots Modal -What is it?
By Scott W. Johnston-J/J/J participant 58683

 

The DNA signatures for members of Group Douglas Fir match close to what many people consider the Scots Modal. 

 

John McEwan  (an expert in genetic DNA) refers to this modal as R1bSTR47Scots

 

R1bSTR47Scots

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The green markers are those that are one less than the R1b haplotype.

The 17 in the 12th marker position is normally written out as 30.

Marker 389 is made up of two separate parts: 389a & 389b.

389a is also referred to as 389-1. 389-2 is taken from 389a minus 389b

If 389a = 13 and 389b = 16 you get 389-2 = 29, and if 389b = 17 389-2 = 30. 

Marker 389-2 = 30 is the Scots modal, but you may have noticed most members of Group Douglas Fir have marker

389-2 = 29.  I wrote to John McEwan and asked him if he thought this was a separate branch, part of his reply is below:

I looked at my group of "Scots R1b" or R1bSTR47Scots as I call it defined by the method I use on my pages. 
I use my name for the group so every body knows exactly how it is calculated and what it means.

It is not only a modal but has information on the variation as well.
In your case 389a = 13 so 389b-389a = 16.
So this variant makes up about 12% of the group as I define it.
The Scots group itself is quite old (as in thousands of years).
I then took all the 37 marker profiles you have in your group and compared them and all came out very 

close to the Scots cluster modal.
They definitely belong to that group. 
To indicate whether the 389b = 16 is sub major variant of Scots I checked to see whether it 

"clumped all members together" in my analysis.
It did not.
In fact I noted small clusters where 389b =16 separate from other cases.
McMillan was one group, Johnson, Wilkinson and several others. It seems that the mutation has happened a 

number of times in the Scots group and tends to be associated with certain families. 
Now a provisio, the clustering analysis is not perfect, but it does tend to support the idea that 

some of the Johnsons are more closely related because they have that value. Cheers,John McEwan 

 

For the origins of the Scots Modal see the article Scots Modal Origins.

Scots Modal Haplotype is shown in blue

Color code: Markers that are one under the modal are colored light yellow, two under are colored dark yellow.  Markers that are one over are light green

two over are darker green. There are a few that are blue, they are four under the modal.

 

Red = fast changing markers

 

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YCA IIa

YCA IIb

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CDY a

CDY b

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Scots Modal Haplotype

 

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George Presly

YX4SZ

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Bill Bain

9TJJH

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Don McGregor

3JPTP

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Duncan McGregor (Christine)

VBSFV

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Michael J Stirling

KNES8

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David M. Stirling

2RQYD

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Richard McGregor

3WJK8

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Charles McGregor (Lisa)

48EF5

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Morrison (Edwin Holcomb)

PK2FJ

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Chris Carpenter

JS5D8

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Duncan Fraser (Nancy)

VV5EB

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Don A Buchanan

SXVF6

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John MacDonald

F4XG9

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William Norton (Julia)

4NU4A

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Paul Arnett

A6DWU

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Peter Stein

E48PN

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Peter Melrose

2FJFS

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Richard Riley Johnson

36691

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Desmond Keith Johnstone, Esq.

TKVE3

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Moore (Timothy Moore)

A3QAK

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(Jennifer) Stirling

9YH63

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Gene Ferguson

AHV5Y

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G Buchanan

YMBMZ

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Scott Warren Johnston

DSVSM

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John W. Johnson

21284

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Wayne Eugene Johnson

GEC45

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James W. Johnson

KTDFJ

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Athol McDonald

PYMQZ

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Steve Knowles

YQ6G9

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Peter McGregor

WSUYD

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B. Templeton

9FJPK

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38

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McLennan (Mary Davidson)

GMMTA

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Keith M. Robertson

743M9

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Loren Stirling

2HU9V

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Robert T. McKinlay

7X6HZ

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Red = fast changing markers

 

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390

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385b

426

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439

389-1

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389-2

458

459a

459b

455

454

447

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449

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464c

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460

H4

YCA IIa

YCA IIb

456

607

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570

CDY a

CDY b

442

438

Scots Modal Haplotype

 

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Turner (Wilborn Turner)

HBQR2

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Turner (Wilborn Turner)

Y987A

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Hollis D Anderson

YNXGB

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James W. Mathieson

42AXN

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Alexander MacGregor

D4CUE

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37

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Stirling (Robert)

RS2P7

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24

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Richard MacGregor

PJ5DC

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24

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38

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Jack Valentine

HVNAA

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24

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38

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C Gray (John Skirling)

9S539

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24

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14

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17

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11

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38

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Feltus Skirling

GDW3X

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24

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39

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William McClain

RWA3Q

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24

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17

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38

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Paul S Oliver

NXPEB

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24

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14

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12

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30

17

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11

11

26

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37

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Robert Weir (John Cook)

ZFE7U

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24

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11

14

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12

12

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18

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11

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39

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Niall Livingstone

9AGGD

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James McLaren

UQQ8X

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Ronald A. Ferguson

H8KHA

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18

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Marvin Mills Logan

W8Y6V

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37

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Ronald Bridges

R2KZD

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24

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18

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38

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Nils E. Moen (Ausland)

VVCYQ

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24

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14

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18

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J. D. McRae

4BQV2

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24

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Charlie Murphy

TC499

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12

12

13

13

30

18

9

10

11

11

25

14

19

30

15

15

17

17

11

12

19

24

17

15

19

17

38

38

12

11

Alan MacLeay

AEAEE

13

24

14

10

11

14

12

12

12

13

13

30

18

9

10

11

11

25

15

18

30

15

15

17

17

11

12

19

24

15

15

18

17

36

37

12

12

Paul R Smith

SZJRG

13

24

14

10

11

14

12

12

12

13

13

30

18

9

10

11

11

25

15

19

26

15

15

17

17

11

12

19

24

17

14

18

17

36

37

12

12

George L Johnson

52890

13

24

14

10

11

14

12

12

12

13

13

30

18

9

10

11

11

25

15

19

26

15

15

17

17

11

12

19

24

17

14

18

17

36

37

12

12

Oscar Hamilton

WJXDW

13

24

14

10

11

14

12

12

12

13

13

30

18

9

10

11

11

25

15

19

26

15

15

17

17

11

12

19

24

17

15

18

16

37

38

12

12

Bourland (Matthew Kaplan)

V5E7Z

13

24

14

10

11

14

12

12

12

13

13

30

18

9

10

11

11

25

15

19

29

15

15

15

17

11

12

19

24

17

15

16

17

36

38

12

12

Paul Moore

JW3EM

13

24

14

10

11

14

12

12

12

13

13

30

18

9

10

11

11

25

15

19

29

15

15

17

17

11

12

19

24

17

15

17

17

37

38

12

12

Buchanan (Sandra Kidd)

PV3NA

13

24

14

10

11

14

12

12

12

13

13

30

18

9

10

11

11

25

15

19

30

14

15

17

17

11

12

19

24

17

15

17

17

37

38

12

12

Hugh MacEachern

8K5XS

13

24

14

10

11

14

12

12

12

13

13

30

18

9

10

11

11

25

15

19

30

15

15

15

15

11

12

19

24

15

15

19

17

37

37

12

12

Michael Harper

FHBG3

13

24

14

10

11

14

12

12

12

13

13

30

18

9

10

11

11

25

15

19

30

15

15

15

17

10

12

19

24

16

15

17

17

38

38

12

12

William Harvey

TGAWF

13

24

14

10

11

14

12

12

12

13

13

30

18

9

10

11

11

25

15

19

30

15

15

15

17

11

11

19

24

16

15

17

18

36

37

12

12

Hugh Urquhart

JWBVE

13

24

14

10

11

14

12

12

12

13

13

30

18

9

10

11

11

25

15

19

30

15

15

16

17

11

12

19

24

15

15

18

17

38

38

12

12

Charles Thomas Anderson

H5535

13

24

14

10

11

14

12

12

12

13

13

30

18

9

10

11

11

25

15

19

30

15

15

16

17

11

13

19

24

15

15

17

17

37

37

12

12

Alan Wright

MCR8H

13

24

14

10

11

14

12

12

12

13

13

30

18

9

10

11

11

25

15

19

30

15

15

17

17

11

11

19

24

15

15

18

17

37

39

12

12

George Jamieson

YRADM

13

24

14

10

11

14

12

12

12

13

13

30

18

9

10

11

11

25

15

19

30

15

15

17

17

11

11

19

24

15

15

18

17

38

39

12

12

Red = fast changing markers

 

393

390

19

391

385a

385b

426

388

439

389-1

392

389-2

458

459a

459b

455

454

447

437

448

449

464a

464b

464c

464d

460

H4

YCA IIa

YCA IIb

456

607

576

570

CDY a

CDY b

442

438

Scots Modal Haplotype

 

13

24

14

10

11

14

12

12

12

13

13

30

18

9

10

11

11

25

15

19

30

15

15

17

17

11

12

19

24

16

15

18

17

37

38

12

12

Kenyon Kies (D. Mackay)

93TK2

13

24

14

10

11

14

12

12

12

13

13

30

18

9

10

11

11

25

15

19

30

15

15

17

17

11

12

19

24

15

15

17

17

36

38

12

12

McRae (Donald McRae)

CGYVC

13

24

14

10

11

14

12

12

12

13

13

30

18

9

10

11

11

25

15

19

30

15

15

17

17

11

12

19

24

15

15

17

17

37

39

12

12

James McPherson

PQ4G2

13

24

14

10

11

14

12

12

12

13

13

30

18

9

10

11

11

25

15

19

30

15

15

17

17

11

12

19

24

15

15

18

15

37

37

12

12

James Reddoch

RKHRM

13

24

14

10

11

14

12

12

12

13

13

30

18

9

10

11

11

25

15

19

30

15

15

17

17

11

12

19

24

15

15

18

17

37

38

12

12

William Matheson

P8P4Q

13

24

14

10

11

14

12

12

12

13

13

30

18

9

10

11

11

25

15

19

30

15

15

17

17

11

12

19

24

15

15

18

17

37

39

12

12

Ken Forbes

4ASGK

13

24

14

10

11

14

12

12

12

13

13

30

18

9

10

11

11

25

15

19

30

15

15

17

17

11

12

19

24

15

15

18

17

37

40

12

12

James Reddoch

ZGR9F

13

24

14

10

11

14

12

12

12

13

13

30

18

9

10

11

11

25

15

19

30

15

15

17

17

11

12

19

24

15

15

19

17

38

39

12

12

Livingston Researcher

MEH3J

13

24

14

10

11

14

12

12

12

13

13

30

18

9

10

11

11

25

15

19

30

15

15

17

17

11

12

19

24

16

15

18

17

37

38

12

12

Mark Grovenstein

MZWJ8

13

24

14

10

11

14

12

12

12

13

13

30

18

9

10

11

11

25

15

19

30

15

15

17

17

11

12

19

24

17

15

17

18

37

37

12

12

John H Buchannan

KJYA8

13

24

14

10

11

14

12

12

12

13

13

30

18

9

10

11

11

25

15

19

30

15

15

17

17

11

12

19

24

17

15

17

17

38

38

12

12

Researcher (Neil McGregor)

A59AF

13

24

14

10

11

14

12

12

12

13

13

30

18

9

10

11

11

25

15

19

30

15

15

17

17

11

12

19

24

17

15

18

17

37

38

12

12

Russell Emerson Logan

KDGPW

13

24

14

10

11

14

12

12

12

13

13

30

18

9

10

11

11

25

15

19

30

15

15

17

17

11

12

19

24

17

15

18

17

37

38

12

12

Logan (John Hunt Logan)

VFY3P

13

24

14

10

11

14

12

12

12

13

13

30

18

9

10

11

11

25

15

19

30

15

15

17

17

11

12

19

24

17

15

18

18

37

38

12

12

William McLean

NNN8K

13

24

14

10

11

14

12

12

12

13

13

30

18

9

10

11

11

25

15

19

30

15

15

17

17

11

13

19

24

16

15

18

17

36

38

12

12

William Davenport

JD5QA

13

24

14

10

11

14

12

12

12

13

13

30

18

9

10

11

11

25

15

19

30

15

15

17

17

12

12

19

24

17

15

17

17

38

39

12

12

Jerry Harvill

4WZR6

13

24

14

10

11

14

12

12

12

13

13

30

18

9

10

11

11

25

15

19

30

15

15

17

18

11

12

19

24

16

15

18

17

35

38

12

12

David McLaren

WEEJR

13

24

14

10

11

14

12

12

12

13

13

30

18

9

10

11

11

25

15

19

31

15

15

16

17

11

11

19

24

15

15

19

16

36

38

12

12

Bryan K. Oakes

5QXTA

13

24

14

10

11

14

12

12

12

13

13

30

18

9

10

11

11

25

15

19

31

15

15

17

17

11

12

19

24

16

15

18

19

36

38

11

12

Frank Logan

D62D3

13

24

14

10

11

14

12

12

12

13

13

30

18

9

10

11

11

25

15

19

31

15

15

17

17

11

12

19

24

17

15

17

17

37

38

12

12

James Sutherland

EUBFB

13

24

14

10

11

14

12

12

12

13

13

30

18

9

10

11

11

25

15

19

31

15

15

17

18

11

12

19

24

15

15

18

17

37

38

12

12

John Taylor

EGW6N

13

24

14

10

11

14

12

12

12

13

13

30

18

9

10

11

11

26

15

19

30

15

15

17

17

12

12

19

24

15

15

19

17

37

38

12

12

Larry Oaks

WEXP4

13

24

14

10

11

14

12

12

12

13

13

30

18

9

10

11

11

25

15

19

31

15

15

17

17

11

12

19

24

16

15

18

18

37

38

11

12

Jim MacDonald

JZQQX

13

24

14

10

11

14

12

12

12

13

13

30

19

9

9

11

11

25

15

19

30

15

15

17

17

11

12

19

24

15

15

18

17

37

37

12

13

Charles Bourland

2WTXQ

13

24

14

10

11

14

12

12

12

13

13

30

19

9

10

11

11

25

15

19

29

15

15

17

17

11

12

19

24

17

15

16

17