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Helm Family In France



(This is the only Helm found in France so far. Probably, there were many more.)

Bas - Rhin is a region in Lorraine, France. Strasbourg is the Capital

Lorentz Helm B. probably about 1717 +/- D. 1748, Mothern Bas-Rhin, France (This exact location has not been located.)
Married: 18 July 1738 at Mothern, Bas- Rhin, France,
Francois Blum
Married: 21 November 1708 at Boercsh, Odile Dirr
Children
Michel (Michael) Helm B. 1707, Mothern, Bas-Rhin, France, D. 26 March 1763
Married: 1732 at Mothern, Bas-Rhin, France, Rosine Kopp (Knopp) B. 1711
Children
Odile B. 1733, Mothern, Bas-Rhin, France
Anna Maria B. 1736, Mothern, Bas-Rhin, France
Regine B. 1737, Mothern, Bas-Rhin, France
Mathais B. 1739, Mothern, Bas-Rhin, France, D. 25 Feb 1806Mathias Helm
Married: 1762, Mothern, Bas-Rhin, France
Francoise Seither B. 1742 D, 10 Feb 1799
Children
Brigitte B. 1764, France D. 18 March 1856, Gerstheim, France
Married: 26 August 1810, Mothern, Bas-Rhin, France. Michel Kohleb, B. 1759, Mothern, Bas-Rhin, France
Children
Philippe Jacques HELM B. 10 May 1796, Mothern, France
Married: 13 June 1833, Gerstheim, Bas-Rhin, FranceAnna-Maria Deni (Denni)
Children
Jacques Philip (Jacob Philip) B. 1834 D. 1887
Francois Michel B. 12 Oct 1835, Gerstheim
Anna-Maria B. 3 Jan 1838
Elizabeth B. 20 December 1839



Alsace-Lorraine
Encyclopedia Britannica Article

Note: There is no indication here that this family left France.
Alsace-Lorraine (German - Elsass-lothringen) was the name given to the 5,067 square miles (13,123 square km) of territory that was ceded by France to Germany in 1871 after the Franco-German War.area comprising the present French departments of Haut-Rhin, Bas-Rhin, and Moselle. This territory was retroceded to France in 1919 after World War I, was ceded again to Germany in 1940 during World War II, and was again retroceded to France later.
So, in the time of this Helm family, it was in France. From this, in 1717, the area was probably in France.


Descendants of Lorentz HELM

1 Lorentz HELM - 1748
.... +Odile DIRR - 1738
......... 2 Michel (Michael) HELM 1707 - 1763
............... +Rosine KOPP (KNOPP) 1711 -
.................... 3 Odile HELM 1733 -
.................... 3 Anna Maria HELM 1736 -
.................... 3 Regine HELM 1737 -
.................... 3 Mathias HELM 1739 - 1806
.......................... +Francoise SEITHER 1742 - 1799
............................... 4 Brigitte HELM 1764 - 1836
...................................... +Michel KOHLEB 1759 -
........................................... 5 Philippe Jacques HELM 1796 -
................................................. +Anna - Maria Madelaine DENIS
...................................................... 6 Jacques Philippe (Jacob Phillip) HELM 1834 - 1887
............................................................ +Elizabeth STRAUSS 1836 - 1912
................................................................. 7 Jacob Philip HELM 1859 - 1934
....................................................................... +Catherine HAGUE 1854 - 1929
............................................................................ 8 Jacob Charles HELM 1880 - 1882
............................................................................ 8 Lewis HELM 1881 - 1942
................................................................................... +Mary Louisa KELLARD 1887 - 1918
........................................................................................ 9 Algie Clarance HELM 1911 -
........................................................................................ 9 Leslie Desmond HELM 1913 -
........................................................................................ 9 Myrtle Doreen HELM 1914 -
........................................................................................ 9 Adolphus Ambrose HELM 1915 - 1977
.............................................................................................. +Doris Eden BROADFOOT 1912 - 1987
................................................................................................... 10 Vilma Gay HELM
................................................................................................... 10 Frank Eden HELM 1935 -
......................................................................................................... +Theodora Regina Maria BOSSAERS 1931 -
........................................................................................ 9 ? HELM 1916 -
........................................................................................ 9 Olga Valerie HELM 1917 -
............................................................................ *2nd Wife of Lewis HELM:
................................................................................... +Agnes Montgomery ROBERTS
............................................................................ *3rd Wife of Lewis HELM:
................................................................................... +Amelia Sarah STEPHENSON 1886 -
............................................................................ 8 Micheal HELM 1883 - 1932
................................................................................... +Ruby Alice DAVIES - 1919
........................................................................................ 9 Leslie Allan HELM 1911 - 1911
............................................................................ *2nd Wife of Micheal HELM:
................................................................................... +Edith SMALL 1890 - 1959
........................................................................................ 9 Kathleen Grace HELM
.............................................................................................. +Robert William GIBBS
................................................................................................... 10 Lynett Kathleen Margaret GIBBS 1946 -
........................................................................................ 9 Doris Minne HELM 1921 - 1999
.............................................................................................. +Trevor Ronald SMITH
................................................................................................... 10 Larry SMITH
................................................................................................... 10 Carolyn SMITH
................................................................................................... 10 Gail SMITH
................................................................................................... 10 Joanne SMITH
........................................................................................ *2nd Husband of Doris Minne HELM:
.............................................................................................. +Boy MORAN
........................................................................................ 9 Edith HELM 1926 - 1926
........................................................................................ 9 Margret Elizabeth HELM 1927 -
.............................................................................................. +Jack Kenneth SEARLE 1924 -
................................................................................................... 10 Wayne Kenneth SEARLE 1947 -
......................................................................................................... +Margaret Elizabeth MCPHERSON 1952 -
................................................................................................... *2nd Wife of Wayne Kenneth SEARLE:
......................................................................................................... +Judith Ethel SCOTT 1951 - 2004
................................................................................................... 10 Grant Leslie SEARLE 1951 -
......................................................................................................... +Ann WARICK 1948 -
................................................................................................... 10 James Maxwell SEARLE 1952 -
......................................................................................................... +Janis Mary RICHARDSON 1956 -
........................................................................................ 9 Leslie Michael HELM 1927 - 1993
.............................................................................................. +Shirley Margaret FLEMING
................................................................................................... 10 Denise HELM 1953 -
................................................................................................... 10 Ken HELM 1954 -
................................................................................................... 10 Peter HELM 1956 -
................................................................................................... 10 Louise HELM 1960 -
................................................................................................... 10 Christopher HELM 1961 -
................................................................................................... 10 Craig HELM 1963 -
............................................................................ 8 Herbert HELM 1885 -
................................................................................... +Mary Elizabeth HARRIS
............................................................................ 8 Clara HELM 1888 -
................................................................................... +James Robert CORRELL
............................................................................ 8 Margaret HELM 1890 - 1952
................................................................................... +Joseph KEEN
........................................................................................ 9 Alfred KEEN - 1978
........................................................................................ 9 Alex KEEN
........................................................................................ 9 Eric KEEN
........................................................................................ 9 Len KEEN
........................................................................................ 9 Catherine Mary HELM 1812 -
................................................................................................... 10 Mervyn Fendal
............................................................................ 8 Leslie HELM 1892 - 1916
................................................................................... +Emily Doris Valrie LEAN
............................................................................ 8 Adolphus Ambrose (Alexander Arthur) HELM 1896 - 1953
................................................................................... +Muriel NORMAN 1900 - 1960
........................................................................................ 9 Norma HELM
........................................................................................ 9 Leslie Norman HELM 1924 - 1986
.............................................................................................. +Venie Jospehine O'Rourke - 1980
................................................................................................... 10 Susan Gay HELM 1955 -
......................................................................................................... +Kevin John MCINTRYE 1953 -
................................................................................................... 10 Judith Ann HELM 1957 -
......................................................................................................... +Russell Anthony JOHNS July -
................................................................................................... 10 Catherine Muriel HELM 1965 -
................................................................. 7 Joseph HELM 1869 - 1956
....................................................................... +Eliza Francis FLETCHER 1870 -
............................................................................ 8 Algie Kenneth HELM 1896 -
............................................................................ 8 Ivy May HELM 1899 -
................................................................. 7 Charles HELM 1872 - 1947
....................................................................... +Elizabeth WOODS 1878 - 1901
............................................................................ 8 Daniel HELM 1896 -
................................................................................... +Annie May BESTER 1902 - 1989
........................................................................................ 9 HELM
........................................................................................ 9 Robert Charles HELM 1927 - 1956
............................................................................ 8 Archibald HELM 1898 -
............................................................................ 8 Ruby Myrtle HELM 1899 -
............................................................................ 8 Ida Ann HELM 1901 - 1953
................................................................. *2nd Wife of Charles HELM:
....................................................................... +Mary Ann WOLLEY 1860 - 1950
................................................................. 7 Mary HELM 1874 - 1935
....................................................................... +Charles Frederick WOLLEY 1878 - 1955
............................................................................ 8 WOLLEY
............................................................................ 8 WOLLEY
............................................................................ 8 WOLLEY
............................................................................ 8 Cecil Charles WOLLEY 1905 - 1968
................................................................................... +?
................................................................. 7 Philip Jacob HELM 1876 - 1938
....................................................................... +Sarah Amelia (Millie) CLARKE 1882 - 1958
............................................................................ 8 Eric Robert HELM 1900 - 1901
............................................................................ 8 Bertie Eddis HELM 1901 -
............................................................................ 8 Harril Victor HELM 1903 - 1993
............................................................................ 8 Vida Elsie HELM 1904 - 1909
............................................................................ 8 Reginald Charles HELM 1907 - 1989
................................................................................... +Beatrice May Elizabeth LIDDINGTON 1911 - 1991
............................................................................ 8 Jacob HELM 1910 - 1910
............................................................................ 8 Donald Philip HELM 1911 - 1991
................................................................. 7 Peter HELM 1879 - 1957
....................................................................... +Selina WOLLEY 1884 - 1955
............................................................................ 8 Edison Robert HELM 1908 - 1966
............................................................................ 8 Leslie HELM 1909 - 1949
................................................................................... +Evelyn Jean BESTER 1910 - 1994
........................................................................................ 9 HELM
........................................................................................ 9 HELM
........................................................................................ 9 HELM
........................................................................................ 9 HELM
............................................................................ 8 Tasman Edward HELM 1911 - 1966
............................................................................ 8 Neita Mary HELM 1914 - 1992
................................................................................... +Lionel David CLARK
............................................................................ 8 Nellie HELM 1916 - 1991
............................................................................ 8 Edward HELM 1917 - 1942
............................................................................ 8 Daisy Bernice HELM 1918 - 1965
................................................................................... +Walter John DOBSON
............................................................................ *2nd Husband of Daisy Bernice HELM:
................................................................................... +George ROURKE
...................................................... 6 Fancois Michel HELM 1835 -
...................................................... 6 Anna - Maria HELM 1838 -
...................................................... 6 Elizabeth HELM 1839 -
*2nd Wife of Lorentz HELM:
.... +Francois BLUM


One source person: rachelsearle@paradise.net.nz ( for the record)


FRENCH HUGEUNOTS

Below is a list of known Huguenot immigrants to America in Colonial times, note that Helm's is not among them, but may have been associated with them in some way. The Huguenot names listed for SC before the Revolution are:
Abraham Du Pont, SC, 1694 founder of the Du Pont line here
Benjamin Marion, SC, 1685, Francis Marion was the "Swamp Fox of the Revolution."
Rene Ravenel, SC, 1686
Jean de la Motte, SC 1686

My reference says "and ... others" .


Others said to go to the SC area (presumably later) are:
Chardon, of Tours
Cordes, of Languedoc
Coullandeau, of La Tremblade
De Lorme, of Picardie
De Saussure, of Lorraine
de St Jullen,of Bretogne
Dubose of Dieppe (Intermarried with Lavenders in SC.)
Fouchereau, of Soubise
Flournoy, of Magneux, near Vassy (likely kin of our WilliamHelms).
Gitton, of Lyonais
Horry of Charenton
Le Serrurier, of L'Ile de Re
Le Suer or Lozier, of Normandie
Manigault, of La Rochelle
Marion, of Poiton
Mazick, Masicq, Melyn, of L'Ile de Re
Mercier, of Touraine
Perroneau, of Aunis
Poinset, of Soubise
Prioleau, of Saintonge
Ravenel, of Bretagne


Their places in France were really scattered,. but De Saussure was from Loraine

There were French Huguenots in the Caribbean.

Many of the names are often confused and inaccurately reported. Using Monnet as an example, besides Monnet(t), there are: Mane, Manee, Manes, Maura, Monet, Monete, Mone, Money, Moneys, Monsey. Monrah, Mooney, Monty, Murnet, Manety, Maury, and sometines the "n" and "t" are doubled. In a lot of cases, the diacritical marks on letters were often missing. There are many opportunities to misspell those names. Marion is the source of the famed Desert Fox by that name. Tye French had adopted that "De" form as part of Surnames.

Perhaps this small item will generate some others.

 


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