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the hdpth Family Tree DNA
study group results page ...

We have the results for      17      participants now !



Here's the results for the hdpth-DNA study group thus far ... dated 23 June 2009

     some technical words:

   Haplogroup -
this determines where ones placement on the over all human family tree is ...

   Haplotype -
basically the first 12-markers of ones test results, that are used to determine ones haplogroup designation

 

From Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia I will try to hyper-link a lot of the technical terms to that resource ... I hope that will be helpful to many of you  :)

DYS is short for "DNA Y-chromosome Segment", and is used to designate a segment of DNA on the Y chromosome where a sequence of nucleotides repeats. These sequences are known as short tandem repeats (STRs), and are called markers in genealogical DNA testing. The possible variations of repeats at a DYS marker are known as alleles.

DYS is often proceeded by the number sign (#), so the location 455 may be written as DYS455, DYS 455, DYS#455, or DYS# 455.

the following is the DYS #'s / "markers" that are used "currently" for comparing test results ...
the red numbers are those markers, that have been reported to have a faster mutation rate for some.
 

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  Group No. 1    the yellow shade color is used in comparing the proceeding groups showing which results separate them from each other ...
59312 Ralph Hudspeth b.ca1689VA Hedgepeth R1b1b2 13 23 14 11 11 15 12 12 11 13 13 29 19 9 10 11 11 23 15 19 29 15 16 16 19  10 10 19 23 17 15 17 17  36 40 13 12                                                            

  Group No. 2    the up arrows  ^  indicates which results separate this group from the previous group ...

29898 Richard
b.ca1880NC
Hedgepeth R1b1b2 13 24 14 11 12 15 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 12 25 15 19 28 15 16 16 16 10 11 19 23 15 14 19 18 37 38 12 13
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
     see Note No. 1 below ...
N18584 no data
just yet ?
Hedge R1b1b2 13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29
^ ^                                                                                                              

  Group No. 3   the green shade color shows where mutations have occurred within this group ...

12893 Henry
d.1779 VA
Hedgpeth R1b1b2 13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 30 18 9 10 11 11 25 15 20 28 15 15 16 17 11 10 19 22 16 15 19 14 37 37 13 12                                                            
29897 John  b.1768 VA Hedgepath R1b1b2 13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 30 18 9 10 11 11 25 15 20 28 15 15 16 17 11 10 19 22 16 15 19 14 37 37 13 12                                                            
12887 Henry
d.1779 VA
Hedgpeth R1b1b2 13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 30 18 9 10 11 11 25 15 20 28 15 15 16 17 11 10 19 22 16 15 19 14 37 37 13 12 11 9 15 16 8 10 10 8 10 10 12 23 23 16 10 12 12 15 8 12 22 20 13 12 11 13 11 11 12 12
29901 John Calvin
b.
1848 NC
Hedgepeth R1b1b2 13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 30 18 9 10 11 11 25 15 20 28 15 15 16 17 11 10 19 22 16 15 19 14 37 38 13 12 11 9 15 16 8 10 10 8 10 10  12 23 23 16 10 12 12 15 8 12 22 20 13  12  11  13  11  11 12   12
45884 no data
just yet ?
Hedgpeth R1b1b2 13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 31 18 9 10 11 11 25 15 20 28 15 15 16 17
29900 no data
just yet ?
Hedgpeth R1b1b2 13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 31 18 9 10 11 11 25 15 20 28 15 15 16 17 11 10 19 22 16 15 19 14 37 38 13 12                                                            
                                                           
  Group No. 4    the blue shade color is used in comparing the proceeding group showing which results separate them from each other ...
65590 no data
just yet ?
Hudspeth I1 14 22 14 10 13 13 11 16 11 12 11 28 15 8 9 8 11 22 16 19 28 12 14 15 15 10 10 19 21 14 14 16 21 35 36 12 10 11 8 15 15 8 11 10 8 9 9 12 22 25 15 10 12 12 15 8 13 25 20 13 13 11 12 10 11 12 11
70739 no data
just yet ?
Hudspeth I1 14 22 14 10 13 13 11 16 11 12 11 28 15 8 9 8 11 22 16 19 28 12 14 15 15 10 10 19 21 14 14 16 21 35 36 12 10 11 8 15 15 8 11 10 8 9 9 12 22 25 15 10 12 12 15 8 13 25 20 13 13 11 12 10 11 12 11
  Group No. 5   the green shade color shows where mutations have occurred within this group ...
29896 William
b. 1818 SC
Hedgepath I2b 14 23 16 10 14 15 11 13 11 13 12 32 16 8 10 11 11 25 15 20 27 11 14 15 15 11 9 19 21 14 14 17 18 32 39 12 11                                                            
29899 William
b. 1818 SC
Hedgepath I2b 14 23 16 10 14 15 11 13 11 13 12 32 16 8 10 11 11 25 14 20 27 11 14 15 15 11 9 19 21 14 14 17 18 32 39 12 11
137510 no data
just yet ?
Hudspeth I2b1 14 23 16 10 14 15 11 13 11 13 12 32                                                            
29902 no data
just yet ?
Hedgepeth I2b1 14 23 15 10 14 15 11 13 11 13 12 32 16 8 10 11 11 25 14 20 27 11 14 14 15 11 9 19 21 14 14 17 18 32 39 12 11
29903 George D
b.1860 Ark.
Hudspeth I2b1 14 23 15 10 14 15 11 13 11 13 12 32 16 8 10 11 11 25 14 20 27 11 14 15 15
12942 Robert
b.1768 Eng.
Hudspeth I2b1 14 23 15 10 14 15 11 13 11 13 12 32 15 8 10 11 11 25 14 20 28 11 14 15 15 11 9 19 21 14 14 17 18 33 39 13 11
                         
    see Note No. 2 below ...   additional markers the following participant was tested for, were 441 (13), 445 (10), 452 (13), 461 (12), 462 (12), 463 (20), GATA A10 (12), GATA C4/635 (21), GGAAT1BO7 (11)
BRO219 Edward
b.ca1660Eng.
Hudspith   - - 14 23 15 10 14 15 11 13 11 13 12 32 15 10 11 11 25 14 20 27 11 14 14 15 11 10 19 21 14 12 11 13 11
                                                *                             *                                                              

   Unassigned Members at the moment ...

84848 no data
just yet ?
Berhannu E1b1a 13 21 15 10 14 15 11 12 11 13 11 32                                                                                                              
65055 no data
just yet ?
Mikels R1b1b2 12 24 14 10 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 30 16 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 30 13 15 16 19                                                                                    
  Test kit's that have been assigned, and waiting on results to be posted ...
45884 William B.
 b. 1839 TN
Hedgpeth                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                             

  Test kits that are not assigned just yet ...

45885      


These EIGHT test kits from FamilyTreeDNA are available,
and have the first 12-markers prepaid for, from the generous donations that have been made to our groups general fund ...

The results from these test kits [when assigned] can be upgraded to the next levels of 25, 37 and/ or 67-markers, when ever the future participant desires to upgrade his results ... either when submitting his test sample, or later on ... It is desired that the new participant will upgrade, to at least the 2nd panel of markers when submitting their test sample, at the group rate of $49. This upgrade will refine the results a bit more, as the 12-marker results alone will usually show too many random matches ...

If you or a direct line "male" hdpth relative of yours, meets the criteria, and is interested in joining us in this exciting project ... don't hesitate to fire off an email to us ...

45886      
45887      
45888      
45889      
45890      
45891      
45892      
       
       
       

 

Note No. 1 - this participant, kit #  [N18584] transferred into our project through a partnership/business agreement between FamilyTreeDNA and the National Geographic Society's Genographic Project, a world wide study of human migration patterns ... this participant has only done the testing for the first 12-markers, and could fall into either Group No. 2 or Group No. 3 [and then again this could be just a random match, and he could end up matching a totally different surname group altogether] ... further test up grades will determine which is the case  :)

Note No. 2 - this participant, kit # [BRO219] was tested by the company DNA-Heritage located in England, they and FamilyTreeDNA, don't test for the exact same markers, but there is enough of a cross over [the same markers] to see that there is a correlation between this participant and those in Group No. 5 ... which he most likely belongs within ... more on this below :)

Some noteworthy comments ...

Note: that [FTDNA] FamilyTreeDNA of Houston, Texas, is the primary testing company that we are using for the hdpth-DNA project, the main Lab that process the test results for them currently*, is the University of Arizona. A total of 67-markers, in pre-selected panels of 12, 25, 37 and 67. Each upgrade [step up] to the next level, refines the test results, in order to try and show how closely related, two or more participants might be. Of the current total number of markers being tested, 28 of them do not cross over for comparison with the other two companies mentioned below ... five of them are in the 3rd panel.

* FTDNA, in conjunction with them, recently acquiring the company DNA-Fingerprint of Germany, and they are currently in the process of opening their own DNA testing Lab in Houston, Texas ...

There is two other testing companies that handle surname projects, the first is [DNA-H] DNA-Heritage of  Weymouth, Dorset, UK, and they also has an office in Rochester, NY ... the other is [RG] Relative Genetics of Salt Lake, Utah, Both of these companies test for the exact same markers, a total of 43-markers of which nine do not cross over for comparison with FTDNA test results. Both of these companies use the same Lab to process their test results [SG] Sorenson Genomics of Salt Lake, Utah. [Relative Genetics is actually a subsidiary [along with several other entities] of Sorenson Genomics] ... Of the total markers tested by FTDNA, 28 do not cross over for comparison with these two companies :/

For those interested in their deep ancient ancestry XX thousands of years ago your extended Marligen Biosciences

FAQ "frequently asked questions" ...

Will any medical info be gleamed from any of this DNA testing ?  

Typically the answer is no, as for genealogical purposes, only specific segments of the [male] Y-chromosome are being tested for in this project.

* The only exception that we are aware of, currently, is that in approx. 0.025% of the male population a null value may occur for the P25 marker test. If the entire section is deleted, then the AZFc gene which regulated fertility will also be deleted. Note that this is an identical situation to the DYS464 marker in the Y-STR test. Which basically means, with the absents [no reported value for these markers] that the subject is sterile [without the aid of any medical intervention] and could not have fathered any children.

Will any Law Enforcement Agencies and/or Insurance Companies be able to get access to the test results/ test sample ?  

Typically the answer is no, [1]  for genealogical purposes, only specific segments of the [male] Y-chromosome are being tested for in  this project. [2] In the court of law "IF" it were possible to be used, it would be considered to be second-hand evidence, and there by, have a high suspicion of being contaminated. [3] one would be hard pressed to prove exactly who the test results actually came from, as they will not identify a specific individual i.e. you, your son's, your brother's, their son's, your father, his brother's, their son's, your father's father, and so on, any biologically, directly linked male to male relative will have almost the exact same test results.

Will this DNA testing raise questions about paternity ?  

Typically the answer for this specific project is no, as we do not want to have more than one male participant from the same family unit tested :)  But ... yes, if two brothers or a father and son, and even two first cousin's [who's father's were brother's] were to be tested, and their test results did not come close to matching, then a paternity question would arise :/  This would be considered a private matter, and something we do not really want to get involved with ... Those that know and/or have suspicions of a paternity issue, can privately outside of this project investigate the matter further on their own if they desire ...

Now with that said, let me say that there is nothing new under the sun ... IF an incident does arise where two participant who thought their test results should have at least come close to matching and they do not. This is not always an indication of a recent event ... our ancestor were just as much human as we are today, many have gone through the same hardships, trails and tribulations that many of us have, if not more so ... When the test results of two participant do not come close to matching when they were thought that they should have, this is often referred to as an [NPE] a non paternity experience ... There are many reasons for this to have occurred, and doesn't always indicate that somebody was a wild women  ... i.e. [1] a known/unknown adoption that might have been recorded and then again might not have been recorded, sometimes in cases like those, one or both of the biological parents might have died and a relative or near by neighbor took the orphan child/children in and raised them as their own, [2] a husband could have died shortly after marriage, and the widow remarried soon afterwards ... know or not knowing that she was carrying a child fathered by her first husband ... and then there is always the comment that I heard my own grandmother say a number of time, "the first child can come along at any time, but it always seems to take nine months for the second one"   :)

Will this DNA testing answer questions regarding Native American Heritage ?  

For the type of testing being done in this "surname" project ... Only if the Native American ancestor is on the direct "male" lineage ... if you have to hop-scotch back and forth between the sexes i.e. you being a male, and it's your mothers father who is the Native American, your mother would "not" have received the Y-DNA from her father, and the Y-DNA that you received would have came from your father ...

 

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about ‘fast moving markers’…what does that mean? If you have 2 people who match, exactly, except on a single marker [or two] and those DYS#'s / marker(s) are ones that are highlighted in RED,  then the current estimate of the distance, relationship wise, between 2 people will probably be overstated, and they could be more closely related than could be assumed by the distance, suggested by a standard single marker deviation ... boy was that a hard one to put into words :/

Those participants in Groups No's 1, 2 & 3  will not find a connection with those participants in Groups No. 4 & 5 ... the obvious indication is the haplogroup designation  R1b1  and  I1c  are two separate branches not directly related to each other on the [Phylogenetic tree] the over all world family tree ... any connection would be XX thousands of years ago, which some would referred to as your Deep Anthro [ancient] ancestry ... way beyond any genealogical time frame of the past 500 to 1,000 plus/ minus years ago ...

Some general observations ...

The participant in Group No. 3, kit # [65590] is obviously in a group all by himself, at the moment ... the results highlighted in yellow for him indicate the mutations that he appears to have, that separate him from those in Group No. 4 ... generally once the mutations surpass 3, 4 and/ or 5-plus, one will be hard pressed in locating a family connection within a genealogical time frame of the past 500 to 1,000 plus/minus years ... this doesn't mean it can't occur, just that it will be vary rare if it does happen ...

The two participants in Group No. 1, kit # [59312] and kit # [29898] might not have any connection to each other, as they are showing six mutations away from each other ... but three of those are on markers that are known to have faster mutation rates than others ... so it might end up that these two will be split into separate groups of their own eventually ...  participant [29898] earliest know ancestor is Richard Hedgepeth born 1880 +/- NC

Those in Group No. 2 ... kit # [12893] and kit # [12887] the later which is my own :)  we are know 1st cousin's three times removed [that is according to this site], i.e. his grandpa is my 3rd gr. grandpa ... we descend from Lemuel Hedgpeth born 1757 in VA [presumed to be from Isle of Wight County] ... the participant with kit # [29897] descends from a John Hedgepath of South Carolina, who was born 1768 in VA ... currently we don't know the connection between John and Lemuel, and there does not appear to be any indication that the two were brothers ... but through this DNA testing we know without a shadow of a doubt, they were related  :)  the other two participants with kit # [29901] and kit # [29900] are obviously related to this group also, but without their genealogical data readily at hand, I can't comment further on their most distant hdpth ancestor connections  ...

Those in Group No. 4 ... appear to have a connection to the HUDSPETH's of Northumberland, England in the area of Corbridge ... the first two participants, kit # [29896] and kit # [29899] have a known relationship to each other [one is the nephew of a first cousin to the other] i.e ones grandpa is the other's gr. grandpa :) although neither of them carry's the Hudspeth surname, their test results indicate they have a connection to another participant who does hold the Hudspeth surname ... and participant kit # [12942] does have a paper trail genealogy, back to a Robert Hudspeth born 1768 in England, as also does participant kit # [BRO219] ... only his goes back to a Edward Hudspith 1660 +/- England ... one was located to the north of the town of Corbridge, and the other was located to the south of that town  :)   I don't have the genealogical data readily at hand for the two Hedgepath in this group, at the moment ...

 


 

* note that GATA- H4 and TAGA- H4 are actually the same marker, and the value that FT-DNA gives for GATA-H4 needs the value to be bumped up one, in order for a honest comparison ...

 

 


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With future participation of other participants, taking a bold step like these participants did, we hope to have a wide cross section of all the variant H*D*P*TH spellings who will join us in expanding and perhaps forming other family groups within this study ...  

Please note: we would like to recommend that new participants do not sign up for the 12-marker test kit, but instead jump up to the 25-maker test kit ... reason being, is due to the number of " some what" faults possibilities ... I say some what, as generally almost all possible matches that come up under the 12-marker testing, are of other surnames [not variants of our hdpth's], but that's not to say, they could have a common ancestor 1,000 +/- years ago [perhaps before surnames came into common use.  To date [it's almost a year now] I have 58 matches that come up under the first 12-markers in the test results for myself. Of those matches, all but four were knocked out of our test group, when comparing them with the 25-maker test results ... two of those [non hdpth's] are 2-steps off of being a perfect 25/25 match with participant #12893 and myself ... if  both of us hdpth's were to jump up to the 37-marker test, chances are that the remaining two [close matches] would most likely be knocked out of our testing group also ... just about all appear to have an origin that has a connection to England, Ireland and or Scotland, with the majority being England :)


does your paper trail research appear to be at a dead end ?

Do you have a guy in your family line, 
that has just about everything ? 
 

a pet rock, a star named after him, acreage on the moon ... 

    Bet they don't have a Y-DNA test kit ... yet ?   

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click here to contact the group administrator

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