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| Father | Roger II de Montgomery Earl of Arundel3 b. circa 1022, d. 27 July 1094 | |
| Mother | Mabel de Belleme3 b. circa 1015, d. 2 December 1079 |
| Name Variation | Robert II de Belleme et de Montgomery was also found as Robert de Montgomery 3rd Earl of Salisbury.4 | |
| Name Variation | Robert II de Belleme et de Montgomery was also found as Robert D'Abbetot Le Despencer.5 | |
| Name Variation | Robert II de Belleme et de Montgomery was also found as Robert II of Alencon.3 | |
| Birth | 1039 | Robert II may have been born as early as in 1039 at Perche, France.6 |
| Birth* | circa 1053 | Robert II was born circa 1053 at Perche, France. It is possible that he was born in Lillebonne, Normandy, France.6,2,7,5 |
| research | 1066 | Find 1066 Reconcile this relationship: of Agnes, Countess of Ponthieu, by Robert de Montgomery, elder brother of Roger Arundel [see above] and sister of William Talvas, Count of Ponthieu, (whose son Robert went to Scotland with Walter fitz Alan, founder of the Stewarts, acquired the barony of Eaglesham and founded the Scottish line of Montgomery), From Byrl Platts work. If these relationships are correct then the ones in this data base ARE NAOT. This may help http://www.stirnet.com/HTML/genie/british/mm4fz/link2. |
| !AInfoNew | 1066 | Went to England in 1066 with brother Urso and Wm the Conqueror. Citing "The Spencers of Bedfordshire, England, and East Haddam, CT" by H.R. Spencer, Duluth, MN 1927.5 |
| !AInfoNew | 1066 | Duchess of Cleveland, writing the history of the Spencer family in "Battle Abbey Roll," Vol I, p 283, says that at the time of the Norman invasion of England in 1066, William the Conqueror was accompanied by two sons of Amaury: Urso d'Abbetot and Robert d'Abbetot. Arthur Collins, giving genealogy of Spencer & Churchill families, says Robert DeSpencer was steward to William the Conqueror, & one of his barons. The story is that the night before the battle with Harold the English King, when 8 miles north of Hastings, William made a vow to the Virgin Mary that if he should be successful in the coming battle, he would erect and dedicate a church to her. He did win, and erected the Church of the Holy Virgin at the place where Harold fell. Near the church William erected Battle Abbey, in which was kept a list of the principal men who accompanied him from Normandy, with their heraldic arms. This was the source of the "Battle Abbey Roll."5 |
| !AInfoNew | The origin of the name Spencer is from the office of steward, thus le Despencer.5 | |
| !AInfoNew | Two Despencers to be found in Domesday Book, William, an under tenant in Kent, and Robert, steward to the Conqueror, who held a great barony in Leicester, Warwick, Worcester and and Lincoln.5 | |
| Marriage* | before 9 September 1087 | Robert II de Belleme et de Montgomery married Agnes of Ponthieu, daughter of Count Guy I of Ponthieu and Ada of Amiens, before 9 September 1087. She brought the castle of Talvas to this marriage.8,3,6,2 |
| !AInfoNew* | 1098 | Robert inherited Alcenon in Normandy from his father. His brother, Hugh, inherited the English lands, but when Hugh died without an heir in 1098, Robert also succeeded to them, becoming Earl of Arundel and Shrewsbury. All of his English honors and estates were forfeited to the Crown when he was exiled in 1102.7 |
| research* | Find at Internet. | |
| !AInfoNew | 1111 | Bellême also spelled BELESME, Norman magnate, soldier, and outstanding military architect, who for a time was the most powerful vassal of the English crown under the second and third Norman kings, William II Rufus (died 1100) and Henry I. His contemporary reputation for sadism was extreme, even among the cruel Normans. A younger son of Roger de Montgomery, 1st earl of Shropshire or Shrewsbury, Robert inherited lordships in Normandy, among them Bellême (in the present French département of Orne). In the struggle between the two older sons of King William I the Conqueror he originally sided with Duke Robert II Curthose of Normandy, but in 1097 he fought for the other son, William II Rufus, against the Duke and King Philip I of France. Also on behalf of Rufus, he captured Helias (Hélie), count of Maine, thereby securing the important town of Le Mans for the English. His greatest work of military architecture was the castle of Gisors, on the border between Normandy and the French kingdom. After Henry I, who had been Robert's chief rival for power in Normandy, had succeeded Henry's older brother, Rufus, as king of England, Robert rebelled (1101-02). He was deprived of his English lands and earldom (1102) and unsuccessfully fought against Henry in the Battle of Tinchebrai (Sept. 28, 1106). King Louis VI of France sent him (November 1112) as ambassador to Henry I, who quickly arrested Robert and imprisoned him for the rest of his life.9 |
| Death | 8 May 1131 | Robert II died on 8 May 1131 at Dorset, at England.2,7,9 |
| Title* | Robert II de Belleme et de Montgomery held the titles of the 3rd Earl of Salisbury and the Count of Alencon. In some records Salisbury is given as Shrewsbury.10,2 |
| Family | Agnes of Ponthieu b. circa 1060, d. after 1103 | |
| Children | 1. | William Talvas Count of Alencon & Ponthieu+ b. bt 1090 - 1108, d. 29 Jun 11723 |
| 2. | Rissa de Montgomery+ b. c 110011 |
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