R1b DYS392=14 Haplotype #14

The haplotype below is rare. However, the one match that it scored in Denmark is entirely consistent with the range

of DYS390=23 R1b or "North Sea Celtic" haplotypes. The DYS392=14 value in this context seems almost

incidental.

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Geographical Locale	%
Denmark	1.59

R1b DYS392=14 Haplotype #15

The haplotype below is rare. Moreover, it includes a DYS390/391/392 combination of 23/10/14, which may

cause it to converge with Haplogroup N haplotypes. That may be what we're seeing with the matches in Finland

and Lithuania. Otherwise, this haplotype appears Iberian or Western European Celtic in origin. Unlike many R1b

haplotypes whose DYS390 value is 23, its geographical range is not biased towards the Teutonic nations of the

North Sea.

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Geographical Locale	%
Caceres, Spain	1.10
Paris, France	.92
Freiburg, Baden-Wurttemburg	.69
Northern Portugal	.64
Vilnius, Lithuania	.64
Latium, Italy	.45
Warsaw, Poland	.42
Finland	.25

R1b DYS392=14 Haplotype #16

The haplotype below is another problematic one. Most of the matches in YHRD fall among Han Chinese and South

Asians, which is a highly inappropriate match pattern for a haplotype that is reportedly an R1b. Hence, we have filtered

out the Asian matches, and retained only those in Europe.

This haplotype is not common in Europe, falling only in the circum-Baltic region. There may well reflect additional

convergence with "N" haplotypes, so not even this match pattern can be trusted.

Taken on face value, however, it suggests a Germanic or Anglo-Saxon origin, which is not inconsistent with

an R1b DYS390 value of 23.

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Geographical Locale	%
Chemnitz, Saxony	.37
Leipzig, Saxony	.15
Vilnius, Lithuania	.64

R1b DYS392=14 Haplotype #17

The haplotype below is a variation of the "Irish Sea Haplotype" and, true to form, its European matches are in Ireland

and Portugal. It is most likely of Celtiberian origin.

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Geographical Locale	%
Ireland	.66
Reunion Island [Creole Blanc]	.51
Central Portugal	.20

R1b DYS392=14 Haplotype #18

The haplotype below is rare, but its appearance in Switzerland and Spain could suggest a Celtic or Iberian ancestry,

consistent with the pre-Roman population of Britain.

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Geographical Locale	%
Lausanne, Switzerland	.88
Madrid, Spain	.66
Bialystok, Poland	.55

R1b DYS392=14 Haplotype #19

Two of the top three European matches for the haplotype below fall in England, which is highly unusual for

any haplotype in the YHRD database, even an R1b. This suggests that this is simply a variant of the "Ui Niall"

haplotype - or what on the Border Reivers DNA Project we like to call the "Irish Sea Modal Haplotype" - and as

such may have originated in the British Isles. Nonetheless, as we often find with variants of this haplotype, there is

also a strong presence in the Northern Germanic portions of Europe. This suggests that haplotypes of this sort are

merely endemic to Northwest Europe as a whole, and could have come to Britain with Frisians or Anglo-Saxons

as well as with the prehistoric Celts and Iberians.

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Geographical Locale	%
Oregon [African-American]	2.13
Pennsylvania [European-American]	1.49
Birmingham, England	1.03
Brescia, Italy	.94
London, England	.70
New York City [African-American]	.67
Hamburg, Germany	.36
Northern Portugal	.18
Buenos Aires, Argentina [European]	.15
Leipzig, Germany	.12

R1b DYS392=14 Haplotype #20

The top Old World match frequencies for the haplotype below fall in Spain and Ireland, but there are also

several matches in Germany and one in Italy. It more closely resembles the Western Atlantic Modal Haplotype

in its broad range, and may not necessarily have come to Britain with the Iberians or the Celts. It may even have

arrived with the Anglo-Saxons - who, after all, were Western Europeans, too.

The fact that both the Anglo-Saxons and the "Celts" came from Western Europe means that their descendants

cannot always be distinguished from one another genetically - and that, my friends, is the key source of frustration for

many R1b Anglo-Americans who are trying to pin down their "deep ancestry". The solution, for some, is simply

to attribute their ancestry to the Western European tribe they prefer to identify with.

R1b is the "Rorschach Ink Blot" of Y-DNA haplogroups. It is found everywhere in Europe, and those

who belong to it make of it what they will.

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Geographical Locale	%
Pennsylvania [African-American]	2.33
Texas [European-American]	1.28
Asturias, Spain	1.11
Ireland	.66
Verona, Italy	.65
Muenster, Germany	.51
Barcelona, Spain	.45
USA [African-American]	.39
Hamburg, Germany	.36
Chemnitz, Germany	.12

R1b DYS392=14 Haplotype #21

The haplotype below appears at small frequencies mostly among Southern Europeans, but the highest frequency by far

falls in Romania. This haplotype could be of predominantly Southern or Eastern European origin, and may have come

to Britain with Roman troops or settlers - or perhaps with later merchants of Mediterranean descent.

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