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Joel M. Fay: The Pennsylvania Years
Contributed by Kenneth William Fay, Jr.
with contributions from David Allen Kelsey
Click here for the New York years and Joel's ancestry
   
Between 1830 and 1840, New York and Pennsylvania communities were experiencing rapid growth. If one compares a map of Erie County, PA, created in 1831 (left) with one drawn in 1840 (right), the difference is clear. Joel Fay was a part of the growth, as he brought his family to Concord, a town showing on the 1840 map. By 1840, the census shows him established in Concord (see below).
   
   
Pennsylvania, 1831, by Finley; 1840, by Greenleaf (details)
images copyright 2002ff by Cartography Associates
used with permission
   

  Joel M.Fay Sr. 6/9/1806 - 1/1/1885
  +Harriet Fish 1808 - 1850

  	8 Eliza Lucelia Fay 12/1829 - 1908
  	  +Leonard Messenger 4/1829 - 1901
  		9 Charles Messenger 11/1857 -
  		9 Olin Messenger 10/1859 - before 1860
  		9 Clarence Messenger 1864 -
  		9 Millicent Messenger 1867 -
  	8 Olive Matilda Fay 1829-unknown
  	  +unknown Hechtman [not confirmed]
  	8 Lucy Adeline Fay 2/1832 - 1908
  	  +Henry L.Blakeslee 1821 - 1898
  		9 Olive Blakeslee 1859 - 
		  +George Clark [not confirmed]
  		9 Carrie Blakeslee 1863 -
		  +Marl Shreve 3/1865 - 
  			10 Ivan Shreve 4/1886 -
  			10 Lajune Shreve 9/1889 -
  			10 Mildred Shreve 6/1891 -
  			10 Vonne Shreve 4/1892 -
  	8 John Lorenzo Fay 1834-1837
  	8 Jane Lydia Fay 1836 - 
  	  +(1) Elijah Messenger 1833 - between 1860 and 1870
  		9 Harriet J. Messenger 1856 [not found after 1860]
  		9 William Emory Messenger 5/1859
		  +(1) Estella M. 6/1865
  			10 Thomas J Messenger 2/1889
		  	   +Iris M  1893
  				11 Thelma A Messinger 1910
  				11 Emory C Messinger 1911
  				11 Cecil J Messinger 1914
  				11 Thomas Messinger 1925
  			10 Clyde W. Messenger 7/29/1891 - 9/1968
		  	   +Minnie A. 1893
  				11 Estella A. Messinger 1915
  				11 Harold C. Messinger 1920
  				11 Clebert P. Messinger 1924
  				11 Melvin Messinger 1927
  				11 Katherine Messinger 1929
		  +(2) Lelia L. (2nd wife of William)
  	  +(2) J. Vincent Barnes 1825 - (2nd husband of Jane)
  	8 Harriet Caroline Fay 1839-unknown
  	8 Lodeme Celestine Fay 1841-1847
  	8 Sarah Melvina Fay 1844-unknown
  	  +Edward(?) Ames
  	8 Antoinette Thankful (Thankful Antoinette) Fay 8/8/1847-unknown
  	  +Unknown Hall


  2nd wife of Joel M.Fay Sr.
  +Rebecca Jane Main(e) 1/27/1828 - 3/3/1914

  	8 James H.Fay 2/11/1861 - 1862
  	8 Mary K.Fay 1/5/1863 -
  	  + John Walker 9/1856 -
  		9 Frederick Walker  5/1893
  		  +Mabel Babcock  1904 -
  			10 Jesse Walker  1923 - 
  			10 Annabell Walker  1927 - 
  			  +Arthur O`Day
  				11 Clarence O`Day
  				11 Calvin O`Day
  			10 Calvin Walker  1925 - 
  			10 Clarence Walker  1930 -
  		9 Frank Walker  8/1896
  		9 Flossie Walker  8/1896
  		9 Albert Walker 8/31/1900 - 4/1977
  	8 Martha F.Fay 1864 -
  	8 Joel M.Fay Jr   10/19/1866 - 9/5/1920  photograph
  	  + Minnie May Babcock 1/16/1874 - 7/24/1946
  		9 Frank A. Fay  1/13/1890 - 12/25/1943
  		  +Ella Vergiel
  		9 Pearl May Fay  7/27/1891 - 1/20/1916
  		  +Lawrence Dowlman Blakeslee  1883 -
  		9 Jessie Fay  about 1892 - about 1892
  		9 Ernest Fay  4/30/1894 - Bet. 1906 - 1910
  		9 Claude William Fay  10/18/1895 - 11/1976
  		  +Evelyn Jeanette Schrader  6/25/1910 - 3/11/1998
  			10 Marie Fay  5/2/1927 - 2003
  			10 Shirley Phyllis Fay  11/21/1929 -
  			  +Frances Paul Kelsey
  				11 Robert William Kelsey 
  				11 David Allen Kelsey
  				11 Thomas John Kelsey
  				11 Mary J. Kelsey
				[see the Kelsey website]
  		9 Baby Brother Fay  about 1896 - about 1896
  		9 Lucy May Fay  10/5/1901 - 2/3/1989
  		  +(1) Paul Henry Williams
  		  +(2) Orlo E. Sturdevant
  	8 William Main(e) Fay 1871-1959
  	  + Maud M.Reynolds 1879-1937
  		9 Bessie M. Fay  b: 3/6/1894  d: 7/1989
  		  +Karl Andrew Pieper  b: 3/17/1898  d: 
  			10 Ralph Pieper  b: 1920
  			10 Ruth Pieper  b: 1921
  			10 Thelma Pieper  b: 1923
  			10 Gladys Pieper  b: 1926
  		9 Mabel M. Fay  b: 9/7/1896  d: 9/11/1994
  		  +(1)Carl Elmer Dahl  b: 3/24/1890
  			10 Elmer L. Dahl  b: 1/1/1920  d: 12/25/2007
  			  +Josephine T. Niedzielski  d: 2001
  				11 Susan Dahl
  				  +Walter Whitaker
  				11 Kevin Dahl
  			10 Betty Dahl
  			  +unknown Allen
  		  +(2)Arthur C. Murphy  b: 1904
  		9 Anna W.Fay 1898 - 1993
  		9 Kenneth Laverne Fay b 11/23/1900 d 5/24/1988
  		  +(1)Florence Irita Hall b: 1/14/1902  m: 11/24/1919
  			10 William Harry Fay  b: 3/10/1920  d: 3/28/2008
  			  +Irene Daley  m: 10/21/1944 
  				11 William Harry Fay, Jr.  b & d: 1947
  				11 Wilma Jean Fay
  				11 Nancy Fay
  				11 Frank Fay
  				11 James Fay
  		  +(2)Florence Lilah McQuiston
  			10 William H. Fay  b: 1920
  			10 Keith L. Fay  b: 10/31/1921  d: 3/13/2000
  			10 Margaret L. Fay  b: 1923
  			10 Ida M. Fay  b: 1927  d: 1967
  			10 Winifred Fay
  			10 Frances L. Fay  b: 1931  d: 1961
  			10 Kenneth William Fay b: 3/21/1933 d: 9/26/1997
  			  +Betty Jean Hart
  				11 Kenneth William Fay Jr. b 5/23/1955
  				  +Barbara Ann Kulesa  [line continues]
  			10 Leta J. Fay  b: 1936
  			  +Harry Bowersox
  			10 Katurah M. Fay  b: 1941
  			  +Marvin Darling
  		9 Letha Bernice Fay  b: 10/7/1905  d: 5/18/1972
  		  +George Alford Bisbee b: 11/2/1904 d: 12/30/1981
  			10 John William Bisbee b:2/22/1928 d:12/28/2002
  			  +Ruth L. Danielson
  			10 Roger Charles Bisbee b:12/19/1934 d:4/15/1973
  		9 Jessie G. Fay  b: 1909

1850
   
In the house with Joel is his mother, Lucy Fay (in 1860 she is called Lucy Smith.). Three houses away is her (ex)husband Elijah Smith, living with Sylvanus Avery. Close by is Joel's stepsister Thankful Smith Burgess and her husband Simon. Also close are John Lilly with his family, Abner Lilly and his family, and Prince Lilly and his wife. Prince is Joel's uncle. Eliza, Olive, Jane, Harriet and Sarah are with Joel; Harriet is dead, and he does not marry Rebecca until later. There are two questions here: who is James Nickerson age 12, and why is he here? And where is Antoinette? She was born in 1847. She does appear in the census of 1860.
   
   
1860
   
Joel and Rebecca; Sarah, Antonette; and Lucy Smith, now age 78.
   
   
1870
   
Joel and Rebecca; Sarah; Antoinette; Mary, Martha; Joel M. Jr.; and Simon Burgess, Joel's stepbrother in law, a "pauper." Lucy is gone.
   
   
1880
   
1880 shows us just the immediate family, although as usual, the household is surrounded by other families already observed in connection with Joel. The census taker was a bit careless with spelling.
   
Census Place:	Concord, Erie, Pennsylvania
Source:	FHL Film 1255127  National Archives Film T9-1127  Page 23C     
	Relation	Sex	Marr	Race	Age	Birthplace
Joel N. FAY	Self	M	M	W	74	NY
	Occ:	Farmer	Fa: MA	Mo: CT
Rebeca FAY	Wife	F	M	W	52	PA
	Occ:	Keeping House	Fa: CT	Mo: CT
Mary R. FAY	Dau	F	S	W	17	PA
	Occ:	Farm Laborer	Fa: NY	Mo: PA
Joel N. FAY	Son	M	S	W	13	PA
	Occ:	At School	Fa: NY	Mo: PA
William FAY	Son	M	S	W	9	PA
			Fa: NY	Mo: PA
Martha FAY	Dau	F	S	W	15	PA
	Occ:	At School	Fa: NY	Mo: PA
   
1900
   
Joel M. Fay is now gone, but sons William and Joel M. Jr. continue in Concord.